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| 10:32.49 | marajin | bazzawill-eee: tsk tsk, an eee? |
| 10:32.53 | marajin | 'lo ginge |
| 10:32.59 | marajin | 'lo ali1234 |
| 10:33.20 | ginge | hello heloo helloooo |
| 10:33.35 | ginge | so what is wrong with the eee |
| 10:33.36 | ginge | ? |
| 10:34.22 | marajin | It's too common ;) |
| 10:34.26 | marajin | sticks his nose up. |
| 10:34.47 | ali1234 | cant decide wether to get a new motherboard for my dell (£20) or buy an eee instead |
| 10:35.00 | marajin | er tad of a price difference |
| 10:35.22 | ali1234 | yeah but the eee is probably a bit faster than my dell which was a p3 500mhz before it blew up |
| 10:35.27 | marajin | hah |
| 10:35.29 | ali1234 | and it only has 256mb |
| 10:35.30 | marajin | ok it probably is yes |
| 10:35.37 | marajin | though not hugely |
| 10:35.53 | marajin | what with being... well depending which eee either a Pentium ULV or an A1x0 |
| 10:35.59 | ali1234 | though the dell is very small not much bigger than the eee |
| 10:36.23 | marajin | I think the eee's tiny SSD would annoy me |
| 10:36.42 | ali1234 | yeah well obviously i would replace all that stuff |
| 10:36.56 | marajin | so in fact you may as well buy a different UMPC by the end of it? |
| 10:37.06 | ali1234 | yeah if there was a good one |
| 10:37.16 | marajin | horses for courses |
| 10:37.25 | ali1234 | another alternative, i might buy a beagle board and ram it into the old dell case |
| 10:37.41 | marajin | that would be geeky++ but I'm not sure how practical |
| 10:38.18 | marajin | ali1234: how about getting an atom dev board, if they're affordable? |
| 10:38.37 | ali1234 | x86 sucks man, if i can possibly avoid having it, i will |
| 10:38.45 | marajin | heh |
| 10:39.10 | marajin | true but it's sadly unavoidable since it comprises the backbone of home computing currently. Though ARM is certainly making itself felt |
| 10:39.30 | marajin | I'm kinda curious what could be made of arm if you scaled it up enough |
| 10:39.49 | ali1234 | arm does not need to be scaled up, the operating system needs to be scaled down |
| 10:40.08 | marajin | Again, horses for courses, depends what you're doing. |
| 10:40.49 | marajin | I'm sure a machine could be lean and responsive for desktop and internet tasks of current arm processors, in fact I know it can because it's proven repeatedly, but how would it fare with heavy video processing or such? |
| 10:41.30 | kiozen | use a gpu for that |
| 10:41.46 | ali1234 | for video work there is currently no choice but adobe on windows or mac, which means x86 is a must |
| 10:42.02 | marajin | Would be practical if anything ever actually did it, but despite the proof of concept it's not really commonly implemented properly |
| 10:42.11 | marajin | not in desktop/laptop machines anyway |
| 10:43.59 | ali1234 | but i dont very often sit on a train editing some video. im more likely to want to check my emails or something. |
| 10:44.30 | marajin | fair point, and if you're used to a P3 500 you probably don't do much of anything intensive with your laptop |
| 10:45.00 | marajin | but my musing was just what arm could be like in heavy duty tasks. |
| 10:45.10 | marajin | Not in any way specific to your uses |
| 10:45.59 | ali1234 | i think it could do a fairly decent job, i mean people have been doing none linear editing for how many years now? compare an arm to an x86 from x number of years ago... |
| 10:46.38 | ali1234 | you probbly wouldnt want to do your final render on it, but that's what render farms are for... |
| 10:46.45 | marajin | heh |
| 10:47.23 | marajin | Well I would agree that ARM is a superior arch generally speaking, but I doubt we'll be free of x86 for a good while yet |
| 10:47.33 | ali1234 | x86 will die with windows |
| 10:47.46 | ellisway | hiall |
| 10:47.49 | marajin | which probably has a few years of life left in it ;) |
| 10:48.39 | marajin | People are very hard to convince to put up with minor inconvience for a technically superior underlying structure |
| 10:49.26 | ali1234 | windows will die when people like, say, panasonic can put a whole linux desktop into their new TV at almost zero cost, kind of like how all the whitegoods started getting a digital clock on them in the 80s |
| 10:50.02 | ali1234 | at that point there will be no reason to even have a PC, let alone windows, because your tv can go on the internet |
| 10:50.10 | marajin | they could already do that but they don't wanna because they make more money not doing it |
| 10:50.16 | ali1234 | people will only have a PC for high end apps like video editing then |
| 10:50.31 | ali1234 | actually some new panasonic tvs already have internet streaming and guess what OS it uses |
| 10:50.37 | marajin | I would say 'and possibly gaming' but really consoles killed PC gaming years ago |
| 10:51.05 | marajin | Tho' I refused to get consoles until the Wii |
| 10:51.29 | ali1234 | dreamcast was the best ever console, and it had CE and linux :) |
| 10:51.34 | marajin | heh |
| 10:51.41 | marajin | yeah and it was a miserable failure too :P |
| 10:51.49 | ali1234 | but it had the best games |
| 10:52.16 | marajin | Well still, prior to the wii the only console I arguably owned was an original gameboy |
| 10:52.17 | ali1234 | that's all that matters |
| 10:52.49 | ali1234 | almost everything that is actually good is a commercial failure |
| 10:53.20 | ali1234 | nintendo is the exception to that really, but even they have had their duds |
| 10:53.31 | marajin | yeah |
| 10:53.54 | marajin | when'd the gameboy come out |
| 10:54.02 | ali1234 | 87? 89? |
| 10:54.07 | marajin | I seem to remember the board was actually stamped '86 but I don't think it was released that early |
| 10:54.29 | ali1234 | how did you get it open? |
| 10:54.46 | ali1234 | i had to melt out the screws with a soldering iron |
| 10:54.48 | marajin | I was a kid, I could open aaaaanything |
| 10:55.04 | ali1234 | i still have it too, but someone stole all my games |
| 10:55.08 | marajin | I think I sawed through the casing with a steak knife TB |
| 10:55.10 | marajin | *TBH |
| 10:56.03 | marajin | tho' you can read the mainboard text just by opening the battery cover and looking through the hole where the retention clip fits |
| 10:57.11 | ali1234 | 1989 |
| 10:57.13 | marajin | hah, the link cable.. remember the trouble we had with link cables? |
| 10:57.33 | ali1234 | it also has 1989 molded into the outer casing |
| 10:58.01 | ali1234 | i never had a link cable, never knew anyone who had a gameboy at the same time as me i dont think. |
| 10:58.03 | miknix | remembers his MSX Basic |
| 10:58.12 | ali1234 | dont think i got this gameboy until like 1998 |
| 11:01.24 | marajin | heh |
| 11:01.30 | marajin | 98? they still sold gameboys in 98? |
| 11:02.32 | marajin | whoa.. the colour only came out in 98? that can't be right.. |
| 11:03.02 | ginge | ali1234: I had a gameboy... remember |
| 11:04.26 | ali1234 | yeah but about 10 years before me |
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| 11:04.43 | ali1234 | by the time i got one yours had broken |
| 11:05.13 | miknix | ali1234, key repeat on the omap kb stopped working for no reasone |
| 11:05.26 | ellisway | the 1 and only console i`ve had to dat was a nes |
| 11:05.59 | ali1234 | miknix: huh? |
| 11:06.05 | marajin | ellisway: ah the NES, a fine old thing it was too |
| 11:06.50 | miknix | ali1234, remember you said key auto-repeat on alphanum keys didnt work for you? today it stopped working for me too |
| 11:07.25 | ali1234 | well... i dont know what to say about that... it never worked for me... |
| 11:07.28 | marajin | I wanna send a GP2x back to 1989, just to watch what happens to the poor sods making the gameboy and gamegear |
| 11:08.16 | ellisway | goes back to trying to repair the psu on my iris |
| 11:09.15 | ellisway | might have to get somthing a bit newer as i`ve already spent 2 much time trying to repair this psu |
| 11:09.59 | ginge | ali1234: hmm I didnt realise |
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| 11:23.58 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 11:24.14 | BabelO_ | kiozen: got the eeepc |
| 11:24.30 | kiozen | child :) |
| 11:25.04 | kiozen | BabelO_: the one with the big screen? |
| 11:25.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes 10" |
| 11:25.46 | BabelO_ | kiozen: already installing opensuse on it |
| 11:25.53 | kiozen | ok, does GT run on it |
| 11:26.09 | BabelO_ | kiozen: :) wait |
| 11:26.36 | BabelO_ | kiozen: 1024x768 should be enough, i can use the windaube .exe |
| 11:29.11 | marajin | vmware would be the only obvious choice for virtualising something like Windows server yeah? |
| 11:29.33 | BabelO_ | marajin: from linux ? |
| 11:29.40 | marajin | well yes |
| 11:29.45 | BabelO_ | marajin: you have vmware or virtualbox or xen |
| 11:29.53 | BabelO_ | marajin: depend of your need and your hardware |
| 11:30.06 | marajin | Quad Xeon 2.66 though memory is a little tight |
| 11:30.16 | BabelO_ | marajin: for use of USB device vmware and virtualbox are ok |
| 11:30.26 | BabelO_ | marajin: and motherboard ? |
| 11:30.39 | marajin | Supermicro somethingorother, I can't recall off hand but I can check |
| 11:30.57 | marajin | I seem to remember it's 8000 chipset or so |
| 11:31.22 | BabelO_ | marajin: i run it on xen on my q6600 with 2Gb of RAM without issue, i have a machine dom0 with liunx opensuse and a domU with Windows XP |
| 11:31.36 | BabelO_ | windows XP have only one cpu and 512 of ram |
| 11:32.24 | BabelO_ | marajin: for production machine vmware esx is a good choice :) |
| 11:34.00 | marajin | hmm |
| 11:35.22 | marajin | that, though, I recall to be incredibly expensive |
| 11:35.58 | marajin | like, on the order of twice the price of the computer it runs on |
| 11:45.11 | BabelO_ | marajin: you can try xen or virtualbox |
| 11:45.22 | BabelO_ | marajin: virtualbox is quite easy and fast |
| 11:46.24 | BabelO_ | marajin: xen is more for production, if your motherboard support vtd technologies, then you can export any of your pci device from the host to the virtual machine |
| 11:48.44 | marajin | yeah I have vtd/vmx |
| 11:49.03 | marajin | but I just read the xen info and my verdict is 'Today is not in fact such a good day to die, perhaps tomorrow' |
| 11:51.12 | BabelO_ | marajin: on cpu and mother board ? :) very good then... xen is easy to use, windows 2003 server in hvm mode |
| 11:52.14 | marajin | yeah |
| 11:52.32 | marajin | but today is my 3rd anniversary with the Girlfriend so I probably shouldn't spent it hunched over the server swearing |
| 11:57.25 | BabelO_ | marajin: oh no, you are right, go out :) |
| 11:57.47 | marajin | she is still sleeping, I think, but I suspect that installing xen would take time |
| 11:57.49 | BabelO_ | marajin: if you need help, i can, i spent full week on xen :) |
| 11:58.19 | BabelO_ | marajin: not really take time, it is quit fast, just get the xen kernel, depend of your distrib |
| 11:58.36 | BabelO_ | marajin: and be sure your actual kernel support to be virtualized |
| 11:58.38 | marajin | ah but it's a gentoo system! |
| 12:00.25 | marajin | hah! pre-empted my phone's reminder :p 'Bing bing bing! Take amoxicillin in one minute!'. Yes my little nag, I am already holding the tablet :p |
| 12:00.34 | BabelO_ | marajin: okbasically xen is just a kernel which boot your current kernel as a dom0 ( main machine ) and then let you start other virtual machine |
| 12:00.53 | marajin | yeah I know the technical structure of xen |
| 12:01.23 | marajin | but for gentoo I have to change the useflags, recompile every package on the system, build a new kernel and modify the bootloader |
| 12:01.26 | marajin | apparently |
| 12:03.01 | BabelO_ | on suse i just recompile my main kernel with xen virtualization support and compile the xen kernel from sources, then change grub |
| 12:03.14 | BabelO_ | ah also need to use nv driver instead of nvidia :) |
| 12:03.41 | marajin | it's a server, it doesn't have anvidia driver |
| 12:04.01 | marajin | I think it has an ATi something 1000 |
| 12:04.04 | marajin | onboard thing |
| 12:05.45 | BabelO_ | ok |
| 12:06.14 | kiozen | and BabelO_? does GT work? :D |
| 12:06.29 | dcordes | hi BabelO marajin kiozen, others |
| 12:06.31 | BabelO_ | kiozen: still installing opensuse, network install ... |
| 12:06.36 | BabelO_ | ola dcordes |
| 12:06.37 | marajin | 'lo dcordes |
| 12:07.10 | kiozen | BabelO_: you have to push it ;) |
| 12:07.45 | BabelO_ | kiozen: 1.6Ghz ... |
| 12:08.10 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i start GT on XP partition this evening :) and take a shot.. big GPS system |
| 12:08.11 | BabelO_ | lol |
| 12:08.50 | dcordes | BabelO, in vmware? |
| 12:09.00 | kiozen | yes OLPC with it's flippable screen is nicer |
| 12:09.24 | dcordes | I wonder if one can record tracks with M |
| 12:09.28 | BabelO_ | dcordes: on eeepc |
| 12:09.53 | BabelO_ | dcordes: yes already done and works perfect |
| 12:10.08 | dcordes | can you also see how far you moved on the go? |
| 12:10.17 | BabelO_ | dcordes: yes |
| 12:10.30 | dcordes | I need qtopia on the kaiser then |
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| 12:10.34 | BabelO_ | dcordes: i always answer yes :) kiozen can do what you want :) |
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| 12:10.43 | kiozen | LOL |
| 12:10.49 | kiozen | yes |
| 12:11.44 | dcordes | :) |
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| 12:12.04 | dcordes | what happened to cr2? is he using kiozen's irc client now? |
| 12:12.08 | BabelO_ | kiozen: anyway it is a very light computer, i think ilnux can add some nice improvement in term of battery |
| 12:12.09 | dcordes | down south |
| 12:12.29 | BabelO_ | dcordes: i think he is looking for house and internet :) |
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| 12:13.56 | dcordes | BabelO, you got the atom eee? |
| 12:14.09 | kiozen | dcordes: his machine was logged into freenode few days ago, but he did not log into the channel, so yes ... think he is moving south |
| 12:15.30 | BabelO_ | dcordes: yes eeepc 1000h |
| 12:28.09 | dcordes | that one is nice I have tried it the other day |
| 12:28.39 | dcordes | does cpu freq scaling work in linux? |
| 12:30.11 | BabelO_ | dcordes: don't know, but i think so.. still installing, network install take around 3h |
| 12:30.26 | dcordes | suse? |
| 12:30.36 | BabelO_ | dcordes: yes |
| 12:48.09 | dcordes | BabelO, is the hard drive fast? |
| 12:48.52 | BabelO_ | dcordes: yes it is, but i did not test a lot, just got it this morning |
| 12:49.17 | BabelO_ | dcordes: i did not like the ssd flash ... don't know the read/write cycle |
| 12:49.47 | dcordes | in the 900A? |
| 12:50.06 | BabelO_ | dcordes: in general |
| 12:51.46 | dcordes | hm 900A only has 12gb |
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| 12:52.19 | BabelO_ | dcordes: i see a version with 40Gb ssd |
| 12:53.41 | dcordes | have a link |
| 12:53.47 | dcordes | I can't find that |
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| 13:07.20 | dcordes | BabelO, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBEbLfBGqJA 1000h and 901 xp bootup time compared |
| 13:10.40 | BabelO_ | dcordes: they are mostly the same, let me customize linux boot time with bootchart and you will see |
| 13:12.15 | dcordes | I think 1000h is better for me anyway because I already have 2 very small devices |
| 13:13.54 | BabelO_ | dcordes: just want that for mobile use of ICOM R2500 and some astronomy picture with telescope |
| 13:33.38 | kiozen | wonders when do they ever learn to make a nice video without glitches like falling clocks and removing shrink wraps |
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| 14:10.28 | marajin | hmm that nutter is still selling these S37's on ebay for 449.95 |
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| 14:18.46 | BabelO_ | marajin: you have an eeepc too ? |
| 14:20.25 | marajin | BabelO_: No I have a Vye S37 |
| 14:20.42 | BabelO_ | marajin: ok |
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| 18:07.47 | kiozen | BabelO: you are around |
| 18:07.59 | BabelO | kiozen: yes |
| 18:08.21 | kiozen | I need a private ftp server to exchange a file |
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| 18:24.30 | marc | hi |
| 18:28.57 | BabelO | hi marc |
| 19:04.36 | kiozen | BabelO: does GT work on the eee? |
| 19:10.22 | BabelO | kiozen: small problem to understand on eee before trying GT |
| 19:10.49 | kiozen | buggy hw? |
| 19:14.16 | kiozen | BabelO: http://www.gps-freeware.de/Beschreibung.aspx nice screenshots |
| 19:15.25 | BabelO | kiozen: yes and no , need to reinstall, i install old suse |
| 19:15.43 | BabelO | kiozen: it is what i want |
| 19:15.47 | BabelO | it is not GT ? |
| 19:15.48 | BabelO | lol |
| 19:15.58 | kiozen | no not GT |
| 19:16.11 | BabelO | kiozen: but soon then :) |
| 19:16.50 | kiozen | hm, don't know, looks time consuming |
| 19:16.57 | kiozen | the 3d stuff is funny |
| 19:26.20 | BabelO | kiozen: it is dot NET |
| 19:26.35 | kiozen | yes that is the bad part |
| 19:27.21 | BabelO | kiozen: mono :) |
| 19:27.34 | kiozen | never tried, does it work? |
| 19:27.48 | BabelO | yes very well now |
| 19:28.04 | kiozen | any how to for newbies |
| 19:28.18 | BabelO | kiozen: suse yast is enough :) |
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| 20:05.04 | miknix | shit |
| 20:05.09 | miknix | "Unbalanced enable for IRQ" |
| 20:05.50 | miknix | I'm trying to disable a irq during a interrupt |
| 20:06.34 | miknix | http://pastebin.com/d17ce308d |
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| 20:59.44 | tetsuo\0 | anyone willing to pay for implementing something easy on htc-linux? |
| 21:03.19 | tetsuo\0 | I was researching into making some synth usable in it, but other work-related stuff distracts me, if I would get some bounty that'd be great |
| 21:12.47 | dcordes | tetsuo\0: hi, are you looking for synchronization stuff? |
| 21:13.38 | tetsuo\0 | dcordes: I'm looking for anything htc-linux related |
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| 21:14.34 | dcordes | tetsuo\0: that is distro specific in my eyes |
| 21:14.35 | miknix | I'll pay someone willing to make a EAC driver for the htc wizard |
| 21:14.36 | miknix | :p |
| 21:14.37 | tetsuo\0 | as long as it isn't making a device driver :P |
| 21:15.15 | dcordes | tetsuo\0: do you have htcs? what distro(s) do you run on it/them ? |
| 21:15.22 | tetsuo\0 | dcordes: well, I'm using titchy |
| 21:15.29 | tetsuo\0 | I have a qtek 9000 |
| 21:15.34 | tetsuo\0 | it's a universal |
| 21:16.42 | miknix | gets crazy with his polled interrupt handler |
| 21:17.25 | miknix | is there any obvious problem in calling disable_irq() during a interrupt? |
| 21:18.42 | tetsuo\0 | dcordes: I could work on some other distro if there is something you need |
| 21:22.07 | dcordes | I don't know. I think one should start looking at the host(desktop) side. is there a unified framework for synchornisation with PIM data in linux? |
| 21:22.16 | dcordes | there is evolution in the gnome desktop |
| 21:22.30 | dcordes | and I know of synce which is to sync with wince phones with linux machines |
| 21:23.30 | tetsuo\0 | yes, I know of that |
| 21:26.06 | miknix | IMHO we need some sync lib with support of google calendar and gnome/kde |
| 21:26.08 | tetsuo\0 | maybe you could adapt synce for your needs |
| 21:27.50 | miknix | dcordes, almost.. I think ical pretends to be some standard API |
| 21:28.30 | tetsuo\0 | that's right, I've used ical |
| 21:28.38 | dcordes | I have no idea about ical |
| 21:28.46 | tetsuo\0 | it's just a protocol |
| 21:28.47 | dcordes | do they have a project side? |
| 21:29.19 | tetsuo\0 | no, but check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar |
| 21:29.52 | miknix | http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeassociation/ |
| 21:30.41 | miknix | didnt have idea apple was also using it |
| 21:32.02 | dcordes | ok, ever heard of opensync? |
| 21:32.45 | miknix | I stopped using it since I saw mono garbage being emerged |
| 21:33.02 | miknix | that scares me a lot of hell |
| 21:33.27 | dcordes | an openmoko person pointed me to opensync |
| 21:33.57 | tetsuo\0 | it is always possible to get a statically compiled executable of it |
| 21:34.21 | tetsuo\0 | so that'd eliminate the need of a separate mono runtime |
| 21:35.14 | tetsuo\0 | that is, if opensync's client needs mono |
| 21:35.48 | tetsuo\0 | which doesn't seem to be the case |
| 21:35.59 | miknix | believe me, its not nice to spot a single line reading gdi32.dll on a linux build window |
| 21:36.22 | tetsuo\0 | lol, been there, I used mono at other times |
| 21:36.38 | dcordes | o_O |
| 21:39.02 | tetsuo\0 | also, I don't see the dependency on mono |
| 21:39.42 | miknix | hum.. |
| 21:39.46 | miknix | neither do I |
| 21:39.57 | miknix | I must be confusing with something else |
| 21:40.09 | miknix | anyway, I just spotted a cool thing |
| 21:40.11 | miknix | libopensync-plugin-google-calendar |
| 21:40.13 | miknix | :D |
| 21:40.55 | tetsuo\0 | there's another project multisync |
| 21:41.52 | miknix | cool, my avr compiler is ready |
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| 23:26.36 | marajin | BabelO: yo? |
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