| 00:00.00 | Marex | has 3G phone and is quite happy with it |
| 00:00.22 | ALoGeNo | yeah but 3g is invented from 1996 O_O |
| 00:00.26 | ALoGeNo | wtf? |
| 00:00.54 | Marex | what ? |
| 00:00.58 | ALoGeNo | and we have more better solutions that 3G and sh*ts |
| 00:01.18 | Marex | you mean DoCoMo's 4g ? |
| 00:01.43 | ALoGeNo | no i mean another that we not know... |
| 00:02.12 | Marex | I dont get your point now ... |
| 00:03.04 | ALoGeNo | yeah, i mean that him has the control of all.. and only let to get a little piece of the cake.. |
| 00:03.25 | Marex | who ? |
| 00:03.43 | ALoGeNo | here in spain i have 1Mb 1024 down / 300 up... |
| 00:03.57 | ALoGeNo | the corporation the multinational.. |
| 00:04.04 | ALoGeNo | the corporation the multinationals*.. |
| 00:04.19 | Marex | arent you slightly paranoid ? |
| 00:04.54 | ALoGeNo | im pay by 1Mb in that way 40 moth.. |
| 00:05.01 | Marex | is happy with his ~15mbps line |
| 00:05.02 | ALoGeNo | that is paranoid? |
| 00:05.03 | ALoGeNo | XD |
| 00:05.27 | ALoGeNo | french ppl pay 100Mb/100Mb 30 |
| 00:05.36 | ALoGeNo | that is paranoid? |
| 00:05.43 | ALoGeNo | ha.!! |
| 00:05.58 | Marex | no ... paranoia is mental illness |
| 00:06.00 | ALoGeNo | that i mean.. :) |
| 00:06.33 | Marex | well I have 100mbps on campus for $4 or so ... |
| 00:07.08 | ALoGeNo | we are waiting for 3Mb last 3 years... |
| 00:07.40 | ALoGeNo | at 200km from here.. ppl in the city have 6Mb, at the same price.. |
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| 00:08.13 | Marex | that's normal |
| 00:08.15 | ALoGeNo | the same price of my 1Mb conection ;) |
| 00:08.59 | ALoGeNo | how pay for your 3g? |
| 00:09.18 | ALoGeNo | download and static cuote? |
| 00:09.58 | ALoGeNo | how much pay for your 3g conection? |
| 00:10.01 | Marex | ~$40 |
| 00:10.10 | ALoGeNo | without limits? |
| 00:10.27 | Marex | 5GB/month |
| 00:10.40 | ALoGeNo | and if you past the 5GB? |
| 00:10.51 | Marex | I never managed to do so ;) |
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| 00:10.58 | ALoGeNo | xdddd |
| 00:11.01 | Marex | but they said I'd pay some additional fee |
| 00:11.07 | Marex | what ? |
| 00:11.19 | marajin_ | for pete's sake.. I think perses just oom-killer'd itself again |
| 00:11.27 | ALoGeNo | hehe nah your not using the line for nothing |
| 00:11.28 | ALoGeNo | ;) |
| 00:11.55 | ALoGeNo | pay by pay.. |
| 00:12.14 | ALoGeNo | paying by paying* |
| 00:12.21 | ALoGeNo | paying by pay* |
| 00:12.23 | ALoGeNo | eso |
| 00:12.24 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
| 00:13.00 | marajin_ | Great, no ssh, http or webadmin |
| 00:13.05 | marajin_ | or smb |
| 00:13.09 | marajin_ | or ping.. that |
| 00:13.14 | marajin_ | s unusual |
| 00:13.24 | Marex | ALoGeNo: I use it when I need it ... that's all |
| 00:13.43 | ALoGeNo | oooohh.. yes.. of course,, in this case yes.. |
| 00:14.04 | Marex | you cant do more than ~40 MB a day by daily use |
| 00:14.12 | Marex | s/daily/normal/ |
| 00:14.21 | ALoGeNo | yes.., and if that is by work.. more better.. but for normal ppl is a theft |
| 00:14.23 | marajin_ | Oh, nope, it |
| 00:14.26 | marajin_ | s pingable.. |
| 00:14.41 | Marex | ALoGeNo: huh ? |
| 00:14.43 | marajin_ | Damnit I wish I |
| 00:14.48 | marajin_ | 'd KVM'd it |
| 00:15.02 | ALoGeNo | 3g is very spensive here.. |
| 00:15.24 | marajin_ | ALoGeNo: Heh, it |
| 00:15.36 | marajin_ | s 7.50 for unlimited3g here |
| 00:15.43 | ALoGeNo | wow |
| 00:15.51 | ALoGeNo | thats the way man.. ;) |
| 00:16.14 | marajin_ | for 15 they even give you a usb 3g modem too |
| 00:16.42 | ALoGeNo | oh nicely.. |
| 00:17.04 | ALoGeNo | good prices where you from? |
| 00:17.08 | Marex | marajin_: US ? |
| 00:17.09 | marajin_ | UK |
| 00:17.12 | Marex | ah |
| 00:17.26 | ALoGeNo | uk.. jum interestant.. |
| 00:17.37 | ALoGeNo | very cheap for uk no? |
| 00:17.44 | ALoGeNo | tomany companys? |
| 00:17.48 | marajin_ | I guess it |
| 00:17.54 | marajin_ | s competition and population density |
| 00:17.54 | ALoGeNo | ;))) |
| 00:18.16 | marajin_ | I get unlimited data automatically on both my htc's actually |
| 00:18.44 | ALoGeNo | ooohhh... that is very funny man,... ooh.. you win |
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| 00:19.25 | marajin_ | Well see, I pay er.. 35/month and I get kaiser + 1200 minutes + 500 SMS + unlimited data |
| 00:19.28 | marajin_ | for example |
| 00:19.35 | ALoGeNo | well.. little by little.. here we go having better thinks.. |
| 00:19.44 | ALoGeNo | is the life ;) |
| 00:20.21 | ALoGeNo | f#uck... is very good that price.. |
| 00:20.22 | marajin_ | Soon they'll offer raphael for similar deal |
| 00:20.40 | ALoGeNo | you never end all the minutes and sms.. |
| 00:20.40 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
| 00:20.47 | marajin_ | Yeah I know, I don |
| 00:20.51 | marajin_ | t phone people that much |
| 00:21.02 | marajin_ | notes that ' is in an awkward place on his UMPC. |
| 00:21.05 | ALoGeNo | but that is very good.. :) |
| 00:21.24 | ALoGeNo | why cant do the same here.. |
| 00:21.25 | ALoGeNo | :/ |
| 00:21.37 | marajin_ | Where is 'here'? |
| 00:22.17 | ALoGeNo | spain |
| 00:22.24 | marajin_ | Hmm, I dunno then |
| 00:22.31 | marajin_ | Maybe population is less dense? |
| 00:22.48 | marajin_ | UK put 60,000,000 people in small space, so many customers with fewer towers |
| 00:23.35 | marajin_ | Plus UK people argue over price a lot recently |
| 00:23.55 | marajin_ | That's why iPhone did so badly in the UK. Nobody would pay |
| 00:24.34 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 00:24.34 | marajin_ | With iPhone 3G it's a better deal so now people sometimes will buy iPhone |
| 00:24.46 | marajin_ | Same happened with playstation3. Too expensive so people won |
| 00:24.50 | marajin_ | 't buy |
| 00:24.59 | marajin_ | Now PS3 is half price |
| 00:25.36 | ALoGeNo | hehe you yes that know ;) |
| 00:25.43 | marajin_ | In same time that PS3 go down to half price, the Wii goes up by 10% heh |
| 00:26.20 | marajin_ | At one point it was possible to cost the shop money when buying Wii in the UK |
| 00:26.50 | ALoGeNo | you know very much huh? |
| 00:26.51 | ALoGeNo | ;D |
| 00:26.57 | marajin_ | Shop buys in at say 178, sells for 179.. but if you use credit card then shop pays another 1.50 'transaction fee' |
| 00:27.10 | marajin_ | so shop pays 179.50, you only pay 179 |
| 00:27.12 | PoohbaLT | looking on the page I don't see the dash or anything similar. Does this mean that the Dash does not have a linux OS for it? |
| 00:27.41 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: Likely, but I dunno which one the dash is |
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| 00:28.07 | marajin_ | Excalibur? |
| 00:28.09 | PoohbaLT | s620... whatever that means in reference to this page |
| 00:28.31 | marajin_ | I think it is HTC Excalibur |
| 00:28.43 | marajin_ | Nobody has ever mentioned one that I know of, sorry |
| 00:29.12 | Marex | though it might be easy to do the port |
| 00:29.29 | marajin_ | I will check what is in it |
| 00:29.50 | PoohbaLT | ugh. oh well. hopefully i can get a touch at a reasonable price. i just like the full keyboard. a touch with a full keyboard would be grand!... not "a grand" :) |
| 00:30.52 | marajin_ | I think there is very little interest in the excalibur, the wiki doesn't even name the CPU |
| 00:30.58 | PoohbaLT | i'm actually holding out for a windowsmobile pref htc that is a touch screen with full keyboard and real gps and not this cell tower gps eveyone is offering. of course I would want to put linux on it as I'm not really a windows fan |
| 00:31.05 | PoohbaLT | i use it bc i have to... not bc i want to |
| 00:31.21 | marajin_ | I think many of the non-touchscreen phones are forgotten |
| 00:31.41 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: A touch with a full keyboard is called a kaiser :p |
| 00:31.59 | marajin_ | TyTn II that is |
| 00:32.22 | PoohbaLT | http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=554 |
| 00:32.30 | marajin_ | has SiRF III GPS, keyboard, etc. |
| 00:32.37 | marajin_ | and an active linux port |
| 00:33.36 | PoohbaLT | marajin: that isn't as "sexy" as the elf |
| 00:33.52 | Marex | s620 has omap850 |
| 00:33.57 | Marex | that might be fun |
| 00:34.00 | marajin_ | http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=640 |
| 00:34.01 | Marex | see pdadb.net |
| 00:34.06 | marajin_ | ooer, omap850 hmm |
| 00:34.19 | PoohbaLT | SiRF III GPS? what is that? that is still the type that uses the cell tower to get ur location? |
| 00:34.21 | marajin_ | I guess it's possible but headache without other people interested |
| 00:34.28 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: No, true GPS |
| 00:34.36 | PoohbaLT | ah. |
| 00:34.46 | marajin_ | very good, even signal inside building sometimes |
| 00:35.06 | PoohbaLT | so no extra fee for gps and google maps will work well with it? |
| 00:35.14 | marajin_ | precisely |
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| 00:35.30 | marajin_ | googlemap and tom tom software work perfectly with kaiser |
| 00:36.09 | PoohbaLT | is it gsm? |
| 00:36.14 | marajin_ | yes |
| 00:36.42 | PoohbaLT | i called htc for the touch in gsm and although its listed on the site the lady told me on three different occassions that it does not come in gsm |
| 00:36.50 | marajin_ | heh |
| 00:36.57 | PoohbaLT | and then I see it at best buy for $549 |
| 00:36.57 | marajin_ | Well there are two devices called the touch |
| 00:37.08 | marajin_ | vogue and polaris I think? |
| 00:37.16 | marajin_ | vogue is CDMA, Polaris is GSM |
| 00:37.16 | PoohbaLT | yeah... but both of them are on their page with gms specs |
| 00:37.38 | marajin_ | Polaris is very literally a kaiser with no keyboard. |
| 00:37.48 | marajin_ | We even use some of polaris roms on kaiser without problem |
| 00:38.34 | PoohbaLT | the touch has the omap 850 cpu also. does that mean the s620 should be as easy? |
| 00:38.53 | marajin_ | It is confusing because they call many things touch now.. touch, touch duo, touch cruise, touch diamond, touch pro.. |
| 00:39.08 | marajin_ | No, polaris is MSM7200, Vogue is MSM7500 |
| 00:39.18 | marajin_ | I think there is older device called touch too that is omap 850 |
| 00:39.30 | PoohbaLT | i'm referring to the "Touch" the one that has nothing attached to it... on the page anyway |
| 00:39.44 | PoohbaLT | if you click on the specks it shows you cdma and gsm specs. |
| 00:39.51 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: Yeah, like I say it |
| 00:40.12 | marajin_ | s hard to know which phone precisely as many called touch, so you have to know the HTC code name for it |
| 00:41.03 | marajin_ | ah, it is the HTC Elf you're thinking of |
| 00:41.55 | PoohbaLT | yes. the elf |
| 00:42.14 | marajin_ | See the CDMA version is called vogue but it is completely different hardware |
| 00:42.22 | marajin_ | but they just say both are 'HTC Touch |
| 00:43.07 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: Try asking about 'Touch Cruise' or TyTn II, see what they say. |
| 00:43.17 | PoohbaLT | yeah. the cdma is better. but i don't see where its called elf. other than the page listed in this chat, how would you know? |
| 00:43.31 | marajin_ | When you take off the battery cover there is a label |
| 00:43.39 | marajin_ | will say ELF100/200/300 |
| 00:44.11 | marajin_ | all HTC phones have this sticker to say what the actual hardware name is |
| 00:44.24 | PoohbaLT | oh. on the device itself. one would think HTC would offer that info on their page somewhere |
| 00:44.30 | marajin_ | No, you |
| 00:44.39 | marajin_ | 'd have to look it up on xda-developer wiki |
| 00:45.10 | marajin_ | occassionally you get the real name. e.g. Touch Diamond. The device is actually named HTC Diamond |
| 00:45.12 | PoohbaLT | ok. well. i would love to find a linux version for my phone to try. |
| 00:45.51 | marajin_ | well if you get a Vogue (CDMA Touch), Polaris (Touch Cruise), Kaiser (TyTn II).. then we have linux versions and google android |
| 00:45.59 | PoohbaLT | if something goes wrong... will my phone be unusable? i can always reinstall t-mobiles rom right? |
| 00:46.14 | marajin_ | we do not flash ROM for linux, we load from SD Card |
| 00:46.21 | PoohbaLT | google android? |
| 00:46.32 | PoohbaLT | whoa. even better. |
| 00:46.35 | marajin_ | Google made their own linux GUI# |
| 00:46.41 | marajin_ | called android |
| 00:46.46 | marajin_ | check youtube for videos of it |
| 00:47.07 | PoohbaLT | watching it now |
| 00:48.21 | marajin_ | :) |
| 00:48.34 | PoohbaLT | 52 min. oh lawd. |
| 00:48.42 | PoohbaLT | i wish i had a remote like in Click |
| 00:48.55 | marajin_ | 52 minute for what? |
| 00:49.16 | PoohbaLT | this video |
| 00:49.21 | marajin_ | O.o |
| 00:49.23 | marajin_ | You can |
| 00:49.34 | marajin_ | 't get 52 minute videos on youtube can you?1 |
| 00:50.08 | Marex | no, but you can download them from there for 52 minutes ;) |
| 00:50.16 | marajin_ | ah I see |
| 00:50.21 | marajin_ | slow net huh? |
| 00:50.35 | PoohbaLT | http://code.google.com/android/ |
| 00:50.37 | Marex | is happy without flash-craplugin |
| 00:50.40 | PoohbaLT | boring |
| 00:50.48 | PoohbaLT | i wish he'd get to it |
| 00:50.49 | Marex | android is blobware |
| 00:51.04 | marajin_ | Hush Marex, take your tablets there |
| 00:51.13 | ali1234 | there's no time limit, just a filesize limit (100mb) |
| 00:51.35 | marajin_ | Well yeah, but realistically if you want to actually have more than 4 pixels :) |
| 00:51.37 | Marex | marajin_: any problem with that ? android is basically closed platform anyway |
| 00:51.50 | ali1234 | google "longest youtube video" and you'll get a video that's 4 hours long. quality isn't that bad |
| 00:51.53 | marajin_ | currently is, they say they'll open it at release |
| 00:52.09 | Marex | yea, yea ... |
| 00:52.14 | marajin_ | I know, it |
| 00:52.21 | marajin_ | 's to be taken with a pinch of salt |
| 00:53.04 | marajin_ | But we'll see |
| 00:53.04 | Marex | why wont they let community to help them develop it ? |
| 00:53.04 | Marex | or rather ... if they wont, they can (and hopefully will) end in hell |
| 00:53.05 | marajin_ | well probably because HTC,etc are being weird about it but who knows what goes on behind closed doors |
| 00:54.14 | Marex | that's what I dont care about ... it's closedsource, blobware ... no interest in it |
| 00:54.51 | marajin_ | I don't care if it's open as long as it works. Admittedly it doesn't do that at the moment either but we'll wait and see |
| 00:55.17 | marajin_ | I have no need to be all judgemental about what they'll do after 1.0 release until it happens |
| 00:55.43 | marajin_ | It just happens to be a fairly small leap from porting linux in general to running android |
| 00:55.48 | Marex | that's like saying "windblows are great because they work" |
| 00:55.49 | Marex | jeez |
| 00:56.07 | Marex | yea .. but leap backwards |
| 00:56.36 | ali1234 | but windows does not work |
| 00:56.44 | ali1234 | it's flaws are numerous and well documented |
| 00:56.47 | marajin_ | Windows Mobile can be a nightmare sometiems yeah/ |
| 00:56.58 | Marex | so goes for blobdroid |
| 00:57.19 | ali1234 | well we dont know yet, do we? |
| 00:57.32 | marajin_ | Look, I'll just follow the path of least resistence when it comes to a phone that I use regularily |
| 00:57.49 | ginge | night |
| 00:57.52 | marajin_ | Other stuff is fun as a project but if I can't rely on it .. |
| 00:57.55 | marajin_ | ginge: Wise man |
| 00:57.57 | ali1234 | so you're going to buy a nokia or a sony ericsson? |
| 00:57.59 | ginge | ;) |
| 00:58.06 | Marex | like a sheep in a drove |
| 00:58.18 | marajin_ | ali1234: I have had many nokias |
| 00:58.31 | marajin_ | though the N95 from what I've seen is no better than HTC stuff |
| 00:58.57 | marajin_ | Marex: Man, some people have to do other things before they can have moral objections to their Phone's OS |
| 00:59.08 | ali1234 | i was thinking more along the lines of 3310 |
| 00:59.18 | marajin_ | ali1234: I have one somewhere |
| 00:59.27 | marajin_ | 3310i or something |
| 00:59.27 | ali1234 | who doesn't? |
| 00:59.37 | marajin_ | was my main phone for a while |
| 01:00.24 | marajin_ | I've had 6600, 8210, 3310, 3210... possibly a 2210 I can't reember what phone was before the 3210 |
| 01:00.36 | ali1234 | i think maddox has it right, get an E70 |
| 01:01.16 | marajin_ | Last candybar phone I had was a Samsung X820 |
| 01:02.48 | marajin_ | But pretty sure I still have 3310 and some other oldish nokia in emergency cases |
| 01:04.32 | Marex | marajin_: I have objections because I wont let ANYONE restrain my freedom |
| 01:05.00 | marajin_ | Marex: Nice when youve got the choice |
| 01:05.11 | Marex | if I dont, I will make it |
| 01:05.33 | marajin_ | well in that case, nice when you've got the time |
| 01:06.00 | ali1234 | if you want to be really free, you should ditch the cellphone entirely. i mean, people just be ringing you up all the time wanting things, you know? |
| 01:06.08 | marajin_ | haha |
| 01:06.14 | marajin_ | yeah, bane of my life |
| 01:06.49 | marajin_ | Marex, you should become a hermit |
| 01:07.21 | marajin_ | Clearly you cannot have internet, computers, or even electric because they all have some 'unfair' restriction |
| 01:07.45 | Marex | marajin_: it's better to remove that unfair restriction then restrict myself from using them |
| 01:08.04 | marajin_ | So when's the revolution ? |
| 01:08.11 | ali1234 | 2 weeks |
| 01:08.15 | marajin_ | sweet |
| 01:08.29 | ali1234 | wait, wrong channel, nobody here knows that joke :) |
| 01:08.38 | marajin_ | oh? |
| 01:10.05 | marajin_ | Care to explain it then ali1234 ? |
| 01:12.52 | ali1234 | well, there's this open source online game... the developers made a mistake of saying the new update would take "2 weeks" and eventually it took about 2 years :) |
| 01:13.09 | ali1234 | now whenever anyone asks how long something will take... well you get the idea |
| 01:13.15 | marajin_ | ah |
| 01:13.43 | marajin_ | Wha game is this? |
| 01:13.53 | ali1234 | daimonin |
| 01:14.08 | marajin_ | Never heard of it |
| 01:14.26 | ali1234 | it's pretty low key... it's a fork of crossfire if you have heard of that |
| 01:14.33 | marajin_ | yeah |
| 01:14.40 | marajin_ | I know of crossfire |
| 01:30.44 | PoohbaLT | i couldn't find linux for my s620 but i found windows mobile 6.1 |
| 01:31.10 | PoohbaLT | if i have problems installing it. i can always go back to my t-mobile install right? it couldn't mess things up so bad that i couldn't do that correct? |
| 01:31.31 | ali1234 | depends on your skill level... |
| 01:32.25 | ali1234 | generally you can reverse a bad update using SPL, but sometimes it can be tricky if you are not used to playing around with bootloaders and stuff |
| 01:32.41 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: Dunno enough about your device to say but as ali says it |
| 01:32.44 | marajin_ | s usually possible |
| 01:36.00 | PoohbaLT | i've played with bootloaders on my many linux installs. same thing? |
| 01:36.15 | marajin_ | not... quite |
| 01:36.37 | marajin_ | it's not that tricky if it has standard spl stuff like most of the htcsthough |
| 01:36.49 | ali1234 | SPL is a bit different to what we normally use to boot linux |
| 01:37.07 | ali1234 | you need a USB cable and the mtty tool to access it's command line |
| 01:37.23 | ali1234 | although rom updates dont usually require you to type any commands |
| 01:37.38 | marajin_ | Generally you run a program on the device that flips it to sspl and then run a program on your pc yeah |
| 01:37.39 | PoohbaLT | ok. i downloaded that and i have a usb |
| 01:37.50 | PoohbaLT | ok. got it |
| 01:37.52 | PoohbaLT | hopefully |
| 01:37.57 | PoohbaLT | if not. i hope there is a good phone |
| 01:37.58 | marajin_ | once you've got hardspl installed successfully you |
| 01:38.00 | ali1234 | ah but if the device wont boot, that wont work |
| 01:38.04 | marajin_ | 're fairly safe |
| 01:38.07 | ali1234 | then you need to hold a special key combo to access it |
| 01:38.11 | marajin_ | yeh |
| 01:38.13 | PoohbaLT | is the touch from sprint good? |
| 01:38.19 | PoohbaLT | 99/mo for everything seems good |
| 01:38.29 | marajin_ | sounds expensive to me :p |
| 01:38.34 | PoohbaLT | does that touch have "real" gps |
| 01:38.38 | marajin_ | that's more than I pay for the kaiser |
| 01:38.47 | PoohbaLT | i saw it on talk mobile or something for $99 |
| 01:38.57 | PoohbaLT | who's service does the kaiser work on? |
| 01:39.01 | PoohbaLT | that is what i really want |
| 01:39.07 | marajin_ | AT&T |
| 01:39.10 | PoohbaLT | but i don't like the kind on this page |
| 01:39.11 | marajin_ | they call it the tilt |
| 01:39.20 | PoohbaLT | oh. thats the tilt? |
| 01:39.21 | marajin_ | but I think maybe someone else does it |
| 01:39.25 | PoohbaLT | that kaiser looked thinner |
| 01:39.32 | marajin_ | nope. |
| 01:39.37 | PoohbaLT | is the wing the same thing? |
| 01:39.46 | marajin_ | the tilt is slightly modified from the kaiser, |
| 01:39.51 | marajin_ | They removed the front vga cam for example |
| 01:39.59 | marajin_ | different keyboard too |
| 01:40.25 | PoohbaLT | i want the front cam... but i want a back one too |
| 01:40.33 | marajin_ | kaiser has both |
| 01:40.36 | marajin_ | tilt only has back |
| 01:40.48 | PoohbaLT | so i want the kaiser. where do i get that? how much |
| 01:41.07 | marajin_ | I have no idea in the US |
| 01:41.51 | ali1234 | AT&T tilt, itsn't it? |
| 01:42.17 | ali1234 | oh the tilt is different?? maybe that's why it doesnt have the graphics glitches? |
| 01:42.17 | marajin_ | ali1234: read the scrollback, the tilt has minor changes and PoohbaLT wants to retain the front camera |
| 01:43.51 | marajin_ | PoohbaLT: Search the xda-developer wiki and see if any other US providers doit |
| 01:44.06 | marajin_ | wb NAiL |
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| 02:28.23 | marajin_ | ali1234: Wait, what 'graphical glitches' / |
| 02:28.30 | marajin_ | ? |
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| 05:00.20 | ALoGeNo | someone awaked? |
| 05:01.52 | ALoGeNo | i made some scripts to tur on and off backlight of the keyboard can i assign that in a button? |
| 05:02.03 | ALoGeNo | turn* |
| 05:03.12 | ALoGeNo | titchy-button-daemon that maybe :) |
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| 05:22.52 | marajin_ | hey ALoGeNo |
| 05:22.54 | marajin_ | hey Zoolooc |
| 05:23.22 | ALoGeNo | mey still awaked? |
| 05:23.22 | marajin_ | ALoGeNo: Hmm, I guess so but I've never tried it myself :) |
| 05:23.23 | ALoGeNo | ;) |
| 05:23.41 | ALoGeNo | you cant sleep? |
| 05:23.44 | marajin_ | No, I'm not awake, but I am dressed and my eyes are open |
| 05:23.57 | ALoGeNo | lol |
| 05:24.02 | marajin_ | I don't sleep so much |
| 05:24.26 | ALoGeNo | my ass is crying me.. pls goto bed.. |
| 05:24.27 | ALoGeNo | XD |
| 05:24.44 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 05:24.45 | marajin_ | If your ass can cry you should go on TV, you'd be rich :p |
| 05:24.53 | ALoGeNo | hahahaha |
| 05:24.59 | Zoolooc | morning folks |
| 05:25.01 | ALoGeNo | true :) |
| 05:25.05 | marajin_ | and then you can buy us all raphaels |
| 05:25.11 | marajin_ | how goes Zoolooc ? |
| 05:25.11 | ALoGeNo | morning Zoolooc |
| 05:25.11 | Zoolooc | lol |
| 05:25.22 | ALoGeNo | xD |
| 05:26.15 | ALoGeNo | f#ck but for what.. we must wait 5 years to have linux in ours handhelds hehehe.. |
| 05:26.19 | Zoolooc | preparing for a new week, as always starting at work with 2 yuck meetings... |
| 05:26.22 | ALoGeNo | ironic mode off.. |
| 05:26.24 | ALoGeNo | ;) |
| 05:26.43 | marajin_ | ALoGeNo: You'd be rich, hire us all and then we could port linux full time and it'd e quicker |
| 05:27.07 | ALoGeNo | haha, that is that i want man.. ;) |
| 05:27.08 | marajin_ | Zoolooc: Rig the watercooler to explode ;p |
| 05:27.34 | marajin_ | and we could buy the QC specs too then ya see |
| 05:27.57 | ALoGeNo | but if the windows owner give us the required info.. is more easy no? |
| 05:28.08 | ALoGeNo | you dont need more money need more info.. |
| 05:28.25 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 05:28.35 | marajin_ | Well legally standing, we'd have to buy the specs from QC |
| 05:28.50 | marajin_ | Nobody else may 'give' us the info |
| 05:29.15 | ALoGeNo | sorry my poor english :) |
| 05:30.25 | ALoGeNo | i need learn more but if i dont practice no learn xD and i learn by my self :) |
| 05:31.29 | marajin_ | Honestly, I've seen worse from people who ARE english |
| 05:33.19 | ALoGeNo | oh is an honor thanks :) |
| 05:33.56 | marajin_ | I'm reminded of that line from 'Fifth Element'... "Lady, I only speak two languages... English and BAD ENGLIS" |
| 05:34.29 | marajin_ | but yours is not bad |
| 05:34.58 | ellisway | lol |
| 05:35.49 | marajin_ | you should see my french |
| 05:36.05 | marajin_ | Mercy bucket, silly plate! |
| 05:36.23 | ALoGeNo | I was not handling the verbs and I have not practiced writing hehe but in this channel soys very patient and I practise |
| 05:36.37 | marajin_ | you'll learn :) |
| 05:36.46 | marajin_ | It only takes time and we have plenty of it |
| 05:36.51 | ALoGeNo | (google helped now to say that :) |
| 05:37.36 | ALoGeNo | in this channel you are very patient* |
| 05:37.39 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 05:38.12 | ALoGeNo | #xda-dev too :) |
| 05:39.19 | marajin_ | Heh, don't always trust google, it can come out with some weird things |
| 05:40.11 | surgex | yah like anal dildos |
| 05:40.13 | surgex | ^_~ |
| 05:40.29 | marajin_ | that's just you surgex ;) |
| 05:40.34 | surgex | loll |
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| 07:28.39 | ALoGeNo | morning LunohoD :) |
| 07:29.13 | ALoGeNo | marajin_: still there? |
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| 07:29.39 | onitsoga | someone plz help me :( |
| 07:29.49 | ALoGeNo | shot |
| 07:29.58 | onitsoga | thank u! |
| 07:29.59 | ALoGeNo | i dunno but.. maybe.. |
| 07:30.31 | onitsoga | im trying to get android to work on xv6800 |
| 07:30.44 | onitsoga | but the touchscreen wont work |
| 07:31.26 | ALoGeNo | nice.. i dont know that machine but android isnt opie? |
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| 07:31.53 | ALoGeNo | hi morning again zoolooc |
| 07:32.02 | onitsoga | its the 9.0 version |
| 07:32.14 | onitsoga | xv6800 = mogul |
| 07:32.14 | ALoGeNo | but is opie true? |
| 07:32.33 | onitsoga | sorry i dont understand what opie is :( |
| 07:32.37 | onitsoga | me = newb |
| 07:32.38 | zoolooc | hi morning again ALoGeNo & all |
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| 07:32.47 | ALoGeNo | i think that i was have that linux in my uni |
| 07:32.49 | onitsoga | mornign! |
| 07:32.59 | marajin | allo |
| 07:33.11 | onitsoga | uhh? |
| 07:33.14 | onitsoga | :) |
| 07:33.15 | ALoGeNo | hehei marajin :) |
| 07:33.59 | onitsoga | so.... |
| 07:34.07 | onitsoga | lol |
| 07:34.24 | onitsoga | jw does it get busyer in here?? |
| 07:34.27 | ALoGeNo | onitsoga: sorry im confise Angstrom with android sorry alot :P |
| 07:34.31 | marajin | Weeeedle weeeedle weeeedle ptwang... kcccccckt ptwang kkkkckcccckt .. click |
| 07:34.43 | ALoGeNo | confuse* |
| 07:34.48 | onitsoga | ok np thx anyway |
| 07:35.10 | onitsoga | i heard this was the place to go for help |
| 07:35.42 | ALoGeNo | onitsoga: you was get the image build or build by your self? |
| 07:36.04 | onitsoga | i got it of of http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 07:36.08 | ALoGeNo | nice ppl here yes :) |
| 07:36.16 | onitsoga | yes very nice |
| 07:36.21 | marajin | We're nice, yes, we're very, very nice. |
| 07:36.26 | onitsoga | lol |
| 07:36.29 | marajin | hides the knife behind his back. |
| 07:36.34 | onitsoga | HHAHAHAHAHA |
| 07:36.50 | onitsoga | u guys r 1337? |
| 07:37.10 | ALoGeNo | i tell you that becose i was try to run debian in my pda and i see the tslib-calibrate |
| 07:37.20 | ALoGeNo | maybe that is that you need :) |
| 07:37.29 | marajin | 1337? nah there aren't that many of us |
| 07:37.32 | marajin | ;) |
| 07:37.35 | onitsoga | lol |
| 07:37.38 | onitsoga | hmmm |
| 07:37.59 | onitsoga | im sorry im very lost i dont understand what i need haha :( |
| 07:38.15 | marajin | try a cup of coffee, it's been known to help? |
| 07:38.30 | onitsoga | yea... i think i might need that |
| 07:38.37 | kiozen | coffeen? yes, yes, yes... |
| 07:38.39 | onitsoga | but im too excited to concentrate lol |
| 07:38.41 | marajin | See, nice, and helpful! |
| 07:38.48 | onitsoga | hahahaha yup |
| 07:39.08 | onitsoga | cafeen from bawls mints perhaps? |
| 07:39.38 | marajin | Caffeine can come from many sources, and they're all good |
| 07:39.48 | onitsoga | tru tru |
| 07:39.53 | marajin | has drunk as much as 3 litres of red bull in 45 minutes |
| 07:40.16 | marajin | Remember kids, don't try this at home! |
| 07:41.26 | onitsoga | :( ill have to come back later im too tired and its almost 4 am herer :( |
| 07:41.37 | marajin | it's 9am here and I'm still going :P |
| 07:42.04 | onitsoga | damn u havent slept? |
| 07:42.14 | marajin | nah |
| 07:42.18 | marajin | Not much point |
| 07:42.24 | marajin | I would be just as tired anyway |
| 07:42.25 | onitsoga | u may just be my hero then |
| 07:42.57 | marajin | you consider caffeine abuse and sleep deprivation to be heroic? :p |
| 07:43.04 | onitsoga | u dont? |
| 07:43.06 | onitsoga | lol |
| 07:43.14 | marajin | Nah, I consider it bloody stupid, I just do it anyway ;) |
| 07:43.28 | onitsoga | hahaha i like this room hahaha |
| 07:43.34 | onitsoga | nice people r good |
| 07:43.55 | onitsoga | but im way too tired sooo maybe ill be back in a few hours |
| 07:44.06 | marajin | Well, enjoy your little slice of death |
| 07:44.24 | onitsoga | HAHA thx.. .and i will |
| 07:44.57 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 07:45.25 | ALoGeNo | im tale a breakfast (its ok?) |
| 07:45.35 | ALoGeNo | by the morning is breakfast no? |
| 07:45.46 | ALoGeNo | we say desayuno hehe.. |
| 07:46.46 | ALoGeNo | coffe with milk and cookies |
| 07:50.45 | marajin | yeah breakfast is the food you eat during the morning |
| 07:51.04 | marajin | then we have elevenses, lunch time, tea time, dinner and supper |
| 07:51.09 | marajin | as you move through the day |
| 07:52.16 | ALoGeNo | xd |
| 07:54.29 | ALoGeNo | we eat at the first hour 8am coffe & milk, later 10am again, but sandwhitch or something more bigger, and at 2pm the food ;) |
| 07:54.31 | ALoGeNo | xD |
| 07:54.43 | marajin | the british eat much food |
| 07:54.51 | marajin | have you ever seen what we call 'the full english breakfast' ? |
| 07:55.12 | ALoGeNo | no |
| 07:55.13 | ALoGeNo | why |
| 07:56.02 | marajin | well we eat... bacon, eggs, sausages, beans, hash browns (kind of potato), mushrooms, two types of bread, black pudding |
| 07:56.24 | ALoGeNo | hahaha yes.. |
| 07:57.38 | ALoGeNo | we realy do 2 eats day and the rest of the day in the bar xD |
| 07:57.58 | ALoGeNo | drinking beer |
| 07:57.59 | ALoGeNo | xd |
| 07:58.07 | marajin | we do that too often |
| 07:58.32 | ALoGeNo | hahaha european things :) |
| 07:58.37 | marajin | maybe |
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| 08:35.02 | BabelO_ | hi |
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| 08:37.09 | kiozen | BabelO_: morning |
| 08:37.42 | kiozen | BabelO_: did some "beauty fixes" |
| 08:44.30 | ALoGeNo | morning |
| 08:44.52 | ALoGeNo | kiozen: what plataform? |
| 08:45.09 | ALoGeNo | hey BabelO morning :) |
| 08:45.17 | kiozen | ALoGeNo: no platform, QLandkarte GT |
| 08:45.53 | ALoGeNo | om.. that sounds realy powerfull :)) |
| 08:46.11 | kiozen | ALoGeNo: www.qlandkarte.org |
| 08:46.36 | ALoGeNo | tnx, taking a look.. |
| 08:48.15 | ALoGeNo | that is like the OziExplorer? |
| 08:53.54 | kiozen | ALoGeNo: yes, somehow, just better :) |
| 08:54.01 | ALoGeNo | oh very nice :)) |
| 08:54.32 | ALoGeNo | hey how can deactivate the autosuspend is make me crazy :P |
| 08:55.05 | ALoGeNo | i must ifconfig usb0 again and again.. |
| 08:56.53 | BabelO_ | kiozen: oh, i svn up then :) |
| 08:56.56 | BabelO_ | hi ALoGeNo |
| 08:57.11 | BabelO_ | ALoGeNo: you run Qtopia image ? |
| 08:57.33 | ALoGeNo | no qtopia.exe with debian image ;)) |
| 08:57.34 | ALoGeNo | :P |
| 08:58.17 | ALoGeNo | if i do with haret need one sd only to debian and i have only one |
| 08:58.18 | ALoGeNo | :P |
| 08:59.46 | BabelO_ | ALoGeNo: so it is not Qtopia running ? |
| 09:00.19 | ALoGeNo | and when i was try to do the titchy-rootfs.tar with jigdo that ens ok, and cheksums ok, but when i extract the file is corrupted.. amazing.. :P |
| 09:00.32 | ALoGeNo | nono isnt.. |
| 09:00.49 | ALoGeNo | y have debian sid running rigth now |
| 09:00.53 | BabelO_ | ALoGeNo: so the auto suspend is somethng related to apmd setup in your debian image |
| 09:00.53 | ALoGeNo | I* |
| 09:01.45 | ALoGeNo | f*ck how not i think that before.. is clrear like in my laptop with debian apm and acpi.. |
| 09:01.51 | ALoGeNo | hehe tnx BabelO :) |
| 09:03.08 | ALoGeNo | you know what? im thinking in that like in famyliar linux.. how if that be someting strange and is debian all xd |
| 09:05.11 | ALoGeNo | is apm.. :) |
| 09:07.36 | BabelO_ | kiozen: no cr2 news ? |
| 09:07.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: nope |
| 09:12.32 | ALoGeNo | flood.. |
| 09:12.36 | ALoGeNo | #if [ "${SUSPEND_ON_AC}" = "false" -a "${2}" = "system" ] \ |
| 09:12.36 | ALoGeNo | #&& on_ac_power >/dev/null; then |
| 09:12.36 | ALoGeNo | # # Reject system suspends and standbys if we are on AC power |
| 09:12.36 | ALoGeNo | # exit 1 # Reject (NOTE kernel support must be enabled) |
| 09:12.36 | ALoGeNo | #fi |
| 09:13.14 | ALoGeNo | if a uncoment that, unactive suspend in charge? |
| 09:13.24 | ALoGeNo | if I* |
| 09:14.29 | ALoGeNo | BabelO: can you take a look? pls |
| 09:29.53 | ALoGeNo | hehe uncoment that the screen is off but still alive the pda hehe |
| 09:32.36 | BabelO_ | kiozen: 'QPainter::drawEllipse' : no overloaded function takes 2 arguments |
| 09:32.54 | kiozen | BabelO_: 4.4 does |
| 09:32.54 | BabelO_ | sorry it is 3 arguments |
| 09:32.59 | BabelO_ | grrrhh |
| 09:36.25 | BabelO_ | ok, i keep my qt 4.3 |
| 09:40.22 | BabelO_ | kiozen: if you use 4.4, it is time for M on CE |
| 09:40.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: I use 4.4 for GT |
| 09:41.13 | get | question, did the linux for htc-prophet recognize my irda keyboard? |
| 09:41.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: will Qtopia 4.4 have the API on CE? |
| 09:41.56 | BabelO_ | kiozen: good question, i think yes the whole qt 4.4 have API on CE |
| 09:42.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: but what about the qtopia special stuff? |
| 09:45.09 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i think just qt embedded part is ok, you are right qtopia as to many linux specific |
| 09:45.37 | BabelO_ | kiozen: do you plan to do the map upload to M ? |
| 09:46.31 | kiozen | BabelO_: I thought about it. But imho it's easier to stick the SD card into your pc and copy the map. Less overhead -> much faster |
| 09:47.21 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes or use my qusbstorage apps :) |
| 09:47.59 | kiozen | BabelO_: anything will be more efficient than doing by M |
| 09:48.21 | kiozen | s/anything/everything/ |
| 09:48.34 | BabelO_ | kiozen: overlay polyline is perfect for me :) |
| 09:49.41 | kiozen | BabelO_: I still pimp up / tidy up the GT GUI to do a release. After that I think about a profile graph in M |
| 09:50.56 | BabelO_ | kiozen: now, maybe instead of profile view, a simple icon notice to display hard climb would be nicer |
| 09:51.55 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol, that makes us come to the discussion: What is a hard climb? |
| 09:52.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: for me about 80 degree |
| 09:52.49 | BabelO_ | kiozen: user params |
| 09:53.02 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes, sure :) |
| 09:53.11 | kiozen | just joking |
| 09:53.24 | BabelO_ | kiozen: with years old settings for children, lol |
| 09:53.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: and body weight index for the whole family, including dogs and cats |
| 09:54.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: multiplied with hours infront of the TV and spent at Mac Donalds |
| 09:55.12 | BabelO_ | LOL |
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| 09:58.01 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i just do a small track on one of my maps, all is good. i test it on the evening :) |
| 09:58.40 | BabelO_ | kiozen: like road navigation, when you come closer to a point it tell you "turn right" :) |
| 09:59.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: You mean connecting events to trackpoints in general? |
| 10:00.26 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes |
| 10:00.45 | kiozen | BabelO_: sound interesting, but will the user spent the time preparing the trip in such a detail? |
| 10:01.00 | kiozen | BabelO_: guess this gets boring quite fast |
| 10:01.07 | BabelO_ | kiozen: no don't think, but maybe some generic event can be activated |
| 10:01.25 | BabelO_ | kiozen: like next step is climbing for 2 kms |
| 10:01.39 | BabelO_ | or just the small notice icons |
| 10:02.14 | BabelO_ | but we are not in your M / GT first idea maybe |
| 10:02.18 | kiozen | BabelO_: sounds like fun and feasible, let's see. |
| 10:03.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: I do this with waypoints currently, but to link this stuff to a track is a nice idea |
| 10:03.05 | BabelO_ | now the good point is that i can do tracks for week end and now kilometers of each and the profile too :) |
| 10:03.42 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol, thus the family discussion starts right befor the trip |
| 10:04.22 | kiozen | BabelO_: "It's too steep!" "It's too long" "I want ice cream!" |
| 10:04.51 | BabelO_ | lol |
| 10:07.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: your new bottom right icon is strange :) a + with a circle around |
| 10:07.33 | kiozen | BabelO_: huh? |
| 10:08.35 | BabelO_ | kiozen: email at home or office ? |
| 10:08.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: home |
| 10:09.39 | BabelO_ | mail sent |
| 10:18.43 | kiozen | BabelO_: that is strange, sent you a screenshot how it should look like |
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| 10:54.25 | get | se caga en los addons |
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| 11:05.32 | marbalon | hi everyone |
| 11:06.05 | marbalon | I need to recompile haret, but have a problems with toolchain |
| 11:07.47 | marbalon | I downloaded cegcc-gcc430.tar.gz but there is missing *g++ |
| 11:10.03 | marbalon | there is someone who can help me with haret compilation ? |
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| 12:07.40 | kiozen | BabelO_: did you get the screenshot? |
| 12:08.19 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes.. that's strange ... only thing i replace is the drawellipse ... i replace the Qpoint (x,y) by x,y |
| 12:09.02 | kiozen | BabelO_: ok, you can't do that |
| 12:09.28 | kiozen | BabelO_: the 4 param version defines the bounding rect |
| 12:09.49 | kiozen | left tp, width, heigth |
| 12:09.54 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ah, ok, i did not read the doc for that one :) |
| 12:10.13 | kiozen | BabelO_: who reads docs anyway... |
| 12:10.36 | kiozen | BabelO_: I have added the same function wheel to waypoints, svn up |
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| 12:11.30 | BabelO_ | ok :) |
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| 12:12.43 | kiozen | BabelO_: I change it to stay 4.3 compatible |
| 12:13.32 | BabelO_ | ok, thanks |
| 12:14.25 | BabelO_ | kiozen: one more thing, if i draw an overlay polyline ... how can i start a new one somewhere else in the map ? |
| 12:15.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: right mouse button to stop the line, F7 to start a new one |
| 12:15.54 | BabelO_ | ok good :) |
| 12:16.12 | kiozen | BabelO_: don't know how to tell that the user :) |
| 12:16.50 | BabelO_ | kiozen: a wizard dog |
| 12:16.51 | BabelO_ | lol |
| 12:17.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you change it , or you will change it ? |
| 12:21.44 | kiozen | BabelO_: svn up |
| 12:23.38 | kiozen | BabelO_: I always hope the user press the right mouse to find more options and learns by that how to terminate the distance polyline :) |
| 12:31.17 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i have tried right button in previous version :) |
| 12:31.51 | hm | BabelO_: hm should have worked like that right from the beginning |
| 12:32.18 | kiozen | oops changed nick |
| 12:34.39 | kiozen | BabelO_: thought about this track/event feature. I think you can do this by proximity waypoints in a much nicer way. Thus it's time to get those work |
| 12:35.21 | kiozen | I do a release and then it's mobile device time again :) |
| 12:36.34 | BabelO_ | good it is ok for me too :) compiled, where is the right click ? in the tool bar ? or maps ? |
| 12:37.28 | kiozen | BabelO_: simply right click on the map to stop drawing |
| 12:37.33 | BabelO_ | perfect now, F7 works ok, don't need the right click :) |
| 12:38.26 | kiozen | BabelO_: you need it to start a 2nd one |
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| 12:39.06 | BabelO_ | kiozen: so what is your next step on the mobile part ? |
| 12:40.09 | kiozen | BabelO_: think time has come for proximity waypoints, and to keep a missing BT gps from blocking the gui |
| 12:40.44 | BabelO_ | ok |
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| 12:57.18 | BabelO_ | kiozen: does someone else use M / GT instead of me , you and cr2 ? |
| 12:57.58 | kiozen | GT has a quite nice download stat. Especially the win32 version :) |
| 12:58.12 | kiozen | M has not been published yet, thus it's us 3 |
| 12:59.45 | marajin | meep |
| 13:00.16 | BabelO_ | kiozen: do you have some feed back about GT i see nothing on the mailing list |
| 13:00.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: some private mail only |
| 13:00.40 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok |
| 13:01.02 | kiozen | the Garmin stuff is much more famous |
| 13:01.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: because i have made a binarie package for qtopia, because some guys have Freerunner with qtopia. |
| 13:01.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: and it is hard to explain how can they do their own maps |
| 13:02.00 | BabelO_ | kiozen: there is a google application with a price of 100 000 dollar that do same than M :) |
| 13:04.07 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes, creating a map is still a problem. |
| 13:04.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: freerunner sounds good, did they try M already? |
| 13:05.06 | BabelO_ | kiozen: http://code.google.com/android/adc_gallery/ |
| 13:05.40 | BabelO_ | kiozen: not really, because qpk system package is not able to manage library file... so i can deliver only a tgz to unpack |
| 13:05.56 | BabelO_ | kiozen: but i found someone who want to try it :) |
| 13:07.38 | kiozen | got visitors. bbl |
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| 15:52.01 | stylist | htc produces some good shit |
| 15:56.34 | marajin | stylist: Sssh, they'll hear you and make it crap |
| 15:58.58 | SanMehat | mornin |
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| 16:02.00 | marajin | hey SanMehat |
| 16:02.09 | marajin | got some reason for us to love you long time today? |
| 16:06.34 | SanMehat | marajin: you mean me saying 'morning' isn't enough? :) |
| 16:07.24 | marajin | SanMehat: Nah you've got to work for our adoration now, new government policy |
| 16:07.27 | marajin | ya know how it goes |
| 16:07.39 | SanMehat | marajin: :( ahwell |
| 16:07.48 | SanMehat | i guess i'll have to push out some more patches then :) |
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| 16:38.32 | marajin | SanMehat: That's more like it, we are authorized to mildly like you now |
| 17:15.43 | SanMehat | marajin: yay! |
| 17:15.59 | SanMehat | marajin: stay tuned! |
| 17:24.25 | BabelO | evening |
| 17:24.44 | BabelO | marajin: does someone tried latest android images extracted from emu ? |
| 17:28.03 | BabelO | ok let me try on artemis then :) |
| 17:28.03 | marajin | BabelO: yep |
| 17:28.14 | marajin | BabelO: works on vogue, technically works on kaiser |
| 17:28.18 | BabelO | marajin: ok i see some video it look good |
| 17:28.20 | marajin | vogue has working calls/data |
| 17:28.27 | marajin | check dzo's page |
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| 17:28.36 | marajin | 'lo ali1234 |
| 17:28.38 | BabelO | marajin: i did not finish the gsm driver for omap850 on artemis |
| 17:28.40 | swetland | does one need specially hacked phones for the haret stuff to boot lunix? |
| 17:28.47 | swetland | or does it work on out of the box hardware? |
| 17:28.54 | ali1234 | out of the box mostly |
| 17:28.59 | BabelO | swetland: what do you mean ? |
| 17:29.22 | BabelO | swetland: there is an arch autodetect coded in haret, so param are automatically set |
| 17:29.51 | ali1234 | you only need to hack the phone if you want to use EOL to cold boot without loading up windows first |
| 17:30.08 | swetland | nods. neat |
| 17:30.09 | BabelO | yes CID unlocking not really hacked :) |
| 17:30.20 | ali1234 | er, yes it is? |
| 17:30.33 | ali1234 | it's about the only hacking i know of... |
| 17:31.35 | marajin | BabelO: 'sok, it should boot anyway |
| 17:31.55 | BabelO | marajin: curently trying to boot it :) |
| 17:32.42 | ali1234 | in theory an operator could choose to only allow signed executables in windows mobile, that would stop haret from working |
| 17:32.57 | marajin | BabelO: Good luck! |
| 17:33.01 | ali1234 | but at the moment it's just a matter of clicking "yes, i really want to run this" |
| 17:33.18 | BabelO | ali1234: signed binary... we have the workaround in the microsoft sdk :) |
| 17:33.33 | SanMehat | swetland: morning |
| 17:33.39 | swetland | so they claim! |
| 17:33.50 | BabelO | ali1234: it is just a registry for that to desactivate |
| 17:34.20 | miknix | hey BabelO |
| 17:34.29 | ali1234 | what if the device doesn't come with a signed registry editor and certificate importer, and is locked to an operator key that you dont have? |
| 17:34.36 | BabelO | hey miknix |
| 17:34.44 | miknix | BabelO, how is it going? |
| 17:35.18 | BabelO | ali1234: operator key is for network not windows |
| 17:35.36 | miknix | BabelO, any luck with the EAC driver? |
| 17:35.38 | BabelO | miknix: trying android right now, and working on i2c radio driver |
| 17:36.05 | BabelO | miknix: it is a si47x :) no application in android for such device :) |
| 17:36.15 | ali1234 | hmm so it cannot be locked down then |
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| 17:38.29 | BabelO | marajin: i need a hack to send raw coordinate for touchscreen, right ? |
| 17:41.17 | BabelO | swetland: you want to try a real phone hardware ? i mean a hacked hardware |
| 17:41.23 | miknix | BabelO, any luck with the EAC driver? |
| 17:41.51 | swetland | I have a lot of real phone hardware sitting around the office |
| 17:41.53 | BabelO | miknix: i did not try to look at sound driver, i hate sound driver ! beurk ! |
| 17:42.13 | BabelO | swetland: i think so :) but with wince or your test image ? |
| 17:42.35 | miknix | ali1234, working on the wizard? |
| 17:42.39 | swetland | thought it'd be cute to see the stuff running on vogue if it was easy to do |
| 17:43.01 | swetland | would have to get one first |
| 17:43.04 | BabelO | swetland: yes on vogue it is easy to do just look at the thread on xda-dev |
| 17:43.13 | SanMehat | swetland: are they easy to get? |
| 17:43.33 | swetland | no idea! |
| 17:43.43 | ali1234 | miknix: i'm still trying to figure out how to make the tty driver |
| 17:43.58 | miknix | ali1234, I can do it |
| 17:43.58 | swetland | I don't know much about acquiring phones that are already shipping |
| 17:44.08 | miknix | I have some time now |
| 17:44.16 | swetland | I hear that people go buy them from stores or something like that |
| 17:44.22 | SanMehat | haha |
| 17:44.23 | swetland | sounds complicated |
| 17:44.38 | BabelO | swetland: i see that dzo made an autoinstallable image from simple fat system, so it is just to click on haret.exe :) |
| 17:44.42 | SanMehat | sounds technical |
| 17:45.04 | swetland | babelo: cute |
| 17:45.08 | ali1234 | miknix: i'm not sure if i should be using the serial core stuff or just writing a tty driver from scratch, because the existing driver doesnt look like it can fit in with any of the serial core stuff |
| 17:45.16 | swetland | url? |
| 17:45.23 | BabelO | swetland: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 |
| 17:45.26 | miknix | ali1234, oh.. that. I was thinking on another thing |
| 17:46.14 | BabelO | ali1234: did you look at the dpram driver ? |
| 17:46.26 | ali1234 | yes i did, it's completely different to the wizard one |
| 17:47.03 | BabelO | ali1234: i understand it is different but you have the basic implementation how to creation your own ttySx driver from fifo memory read |
| 17:47.33 | miknix | ali1234, what do you need a tty for? |
| 17:47.43 | ali1234 | the dpram driver has some IRQs that it puts into the serial core data structures. the wizard driver uses IRQs but they do not match up to the ones dpram uses |
| 17:48.02 | ali1234 | miknix: you need the gsm device to be a tty in order to use it with any existing dialer application |
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| 17:48.17 | miknix | oh. I was right then |
| 17:48.49 | BabelO | ali1234: yes hh kernel as some internal hacked things |
| 17:48.58 | miknix | ali1234, I'll dig into it then. thats important |
| 17:49.22 | BabelO | miknix: what about battery driver ? |
| 17:49.23 | ali1234 | BabelO: what does that mean? there's more code for it in another file? |
| 17:49.39 | BabelO | miknix: on artemis it look like a spi syren stuff, not on the tscxx |
| 17:49.56 | miknix | BabelO, last time I checked I think it was on the tscxx |
| 17:50.10 | BabelO | ali1234: i think yes, if you say that dpram driver use serial_core struct |
| 17:50.39 | miknix | BabelO, can you control something battery related through syren or only getting battery info? |
| 17:50.51 | BabelO | miknix: but how you get current then ? temp and voltage is ok, i m agree |
| 17:51.23 | BabelO | miknix: for current measure HTC need to add a serial 1 ohm resistor to the battery pack and use the voltage from that |
| 17:51.41 | BabelO | but don't think they use such system |
| 17:52.08 | miknix | ok. but can you charging states from syren? |
| 17:52.20 | miknix | s/you/you change/ |
| 17:52.40 | BabelO | miknix: charging states are just gpio, i found them, need to find my paper notes |
| 17:53.03 | marajin | 'lo ginge |
| 17:53.16 | ginge | hiya |
| 17:53.17 | miknix | BabelO, nice.. those are related with the cpld on the wizard |
| 17:53.34 | BabelO | miknix: ok |
| 17:54.04 | BabelO | ginge: hi, do you know the patch i need to apply to get ts working on android ? |
| 17:54.21 | ginge | BabelO: kaiser? |
| 17:54.38 | BabelO | ginge: no all devices in general |
| 17:54.45 | marajin | ginge: 'sup? |
| 17:54.47 | ginge | oh, yeah one mo |
| 17:54.55 | miknix | BabelO, you got that by disassembling the winmob kern? |
| 17:54.55 | BabelO | ginge: i have a blueangel / artemis / nokia n800, all boot android |
| 17:55.18 | ginge | http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP |
| 17:55.19 | BabelO | ginge: but all need a patch in standard kernel for android ts |
| 17:55.31 | ginge | this is the best resource I have found for google specific stuff |
| 17:55.52 | BabelO | ginge: ok thanks :) i see the ts patch |
| 17:56.21 | ginge | marajin: nowt. you? |
| 17:56.21 | BabelO | ginge: not ery happy to apply special patch just for android :( |
| 17:56.34 | swetland | I really wish they'd release an up to date wifi driver for n8x0 |
| 17:56.46 | marajin | ginge: f'knackered and hoping someone due to drop by does so soon then I can drop dead for a while after |
| 17:57.03 | swetland | I shelved all my n8x0 hacking because being stuck on 2.6.21/22 or whatever is obnoxious |
| 17:57.07 | ginge | BabelO: You could try writing a patch I never got around to doing... create a new /dev/input1 for the android specific output, report the raw on input- |
| 17:57.08 | BabelO | swetland: why ? mine accept wpa2 |
| 17:57.18 | BabelO | swetland: ah ok |
| 17:57.37 | swetland | we're 2.6.25 based these days and I really don't have the energy to maintain a backport |
| 17:57.49 | BabelO | ginge: yes, so i can keep my kernel running for gpephone / qtopia / android |
| 17:57.51 | swetland | and the proprietary gunk happens to depend on struct skbuff |
| 17:58.04 | ginge | BabelO: exactly |
| 17:58.10 | swetland | making it not work if the network kernel config is different, much less the version is different |
| 17:58.18 | ginge | swetland: maintaining a backport is a thankless task |
| 17:58.42 | swetland | yeah, I'm too busy working on code that'll ship on tomorrow's devices. |
| 17:58.45 | BabelO | swetland: ok i understand, i did not see if mamona project got wifi to works |
| 17:59.06 | swetland | pity. if not for the dumb wifi driver it wouldn't be that hard to keep a n8x0 kernel up to date |
| 17:59.35 | miknix | BabelO, do you know whats the difference between the nk.exe avaiable on ffs1 and ffs2? |
| 17:59.51 | BabelO | miknix: don't know |
| 18:00.31 | miknix | BabelO, http://pastebin.com/d5803e42a |
| 18:01.28 | miknix | they are different sizes |
| 18:01.28 | BabelO | swetland: i jope a day we get a trueFFS driver for latest kernel too |
| 18:01.51 | BabelO | miknix: don't know |
| 18:02.14 | BabelO | s/jope/hope/ |
| 18:09.31 | BabelO | swetland: you have n810 or n800 ? |
| 18:09.40 | swetland | two of each |
| 18:09.47 | BabelO | lol ok |
| 18:09.59 | swetland | they looked useful, and the 800s were super cheap especially |
| 18:10.19 | swetland | didn't realize what a pita the wifi driver would prove to be |
| 18:10.24 | BabelO | swetland: just to know if you are happy with the n810 keyboard, that s the only difference apart gps |
| 18:11.01 | BabelO | swetland: anyay the wifi driver is good, because power adjustment... i can't get that working well on acx drivers |
| 18:11.14 | swetland | the keyboard is kinda eh |
| 18:11.36 | swetland | top row is way too close to the screen, feel isn't so hot |
| 18:11.42 | swetland | but having a keyboard is nice |
| 18:11.53 | swetland | I was impressed they added the keyboard and other stuff and made it smaller |
| 18:12.18 | BabelO | swetland: ok, i see the WIMAX edition too |
| 18:13.00 | BabelO | swetland: i use my n800 everywhere with my artemis GSM/edge connectivity |
| 18:13.24 | BabelO | and the gps too |
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| 18:39.33 | BabelO | poor, got a kernel panic when calling android stuff ... |
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| 18:53.00 | ginge | ugh the xda forum depresses me. I don't know why I bother reading it |
| 19:04.01 | marajin | ginge: masochism |
| 19:04.31 | ginge | it looks a lot like my inbox "waa waa waa, why havn't you made x work" |
| 19:06.44 | ellisway | who needs x |
| 19:07.18 | kiozen | shivers, users with demands, brrrr |
| 19:07.18 | ginge | replace x with any given feature. I am still inclined to agree :) |
| 19:07.47 | ginge | users who think that I work for them with some sort of obligation to do what they demand |
| 19:08.01 | ginge | gets off high horse |
| 19:08.09 | tetsuo\0 | make my cell work! |
| 19:08.17 | ginge | ;) |
| 19:08.30 | ellisway | replace x with a curses apps instead |
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| 19:08.57 | ginge | ellisway: I did start writing a curses phone app :) |
| 19:08.58 | tetsuo\0 | why are you here chatting while my feature doesn't get implemented? :D |
| 19:09.06 | ellisway | coo |
| 19:09.26 | ginge | I am still fighting sd. It seems to be the one that people email me most about |
| 19:09.32 | ellisway | i still havn`t yet had a chance to play around with haret on my ameo16gb yet |
| 19:09.37 | ellisway | been to busy |
| 19:09.46 | ginge | I have it failing in a nice repeatable way now :) |
| 19:10.25 | dcordes | hi |
| 19:10.37 | ginge | dcordes: hey man. |
| 19:10.43 | ginge | come to join the rant? |
| 19:10.54 | dcordes | did you get an email by a person called everett? |
| 19:11.21 | dcordes | yea |
| 19:11.39 | ginge | dont think so. It might be part of my 14264 spam emails |
| 19:12.00 | dcordes | I must say I don't get any spam on my gmail |
| 19:12.07 | marajin | heh |
| 19:12.20 | ginge | I get thousands a day, but never in my main inbox |
| 19:12.34 | ginge | apart from the targeted spam. not much you can do about that |
| 19:12.43 | marajin | Da da duuuuuun, Dcordes by day but at night he turns into rantomatic 5000 |
| 19:13.04 | ginge | rofl |
| 19:13.09 | ellisway | i started building a control panel for all my server hosting stuff in curses bout 8 years ago but never finished it |
| 19:13.12 | dcordes | you mean when I'm drunk |
| 19:13.39 | ginge | ellisway: X is overrated |
| 19:14.15 | ellisway | in the 13 years or so that i`ve been using nix i`ve not once had a linux system, with x installed |
| 19:14.34 | ellisway | my sgi was another matter it had x |
| 19:14.37 | ginge | really? |
| 19:14.43 | ellisway | but only while it had irix 5.3 on it |
| 19:14.46 | ginge | food time. bbl |
| 19:21.09 | dcordes | dinner is quite a nice idea |
| 19:21.31 | ginge | it is quite nice dinner :) |
| 19:35.29 | kiozen | BabelO: what's the qtopia api to make a device explode? |
| 19:35.57 | BabelO | kiozen: lol |
| 19:36.01 | BabelO | kiozen: why ? |
| 19:36.36 | kiozen | BabelO: what else would you expect of the device if you enter a proximity range of a waypoint? |
| 19:37.14 | BabelO | kiozen: zoom in ? :) |
| 19:37.29 | kiozen | ok, zoom level x1, right? |
| 19:37.40 | kiozen | BabelO: and? |
| 19:38.36 | BabelO | kiozen: something like that yes, maybe sound for geocacher and some information about speed and distance between waypoint :) |
| 19:39.30 | kiozen | BabelO: hm, ok, what about displaying the comment of the waypoint. like "get out you towel, it's getting steep." |
| 19:40.00 | ginge | "get out your spare underwear, it's a cliff edge" |
| 19:40.17 | kiozen | lol |
| 19:41.32 | kiozen | ginge: that will challenge the gps accuracy |
| 19:41.55 | ginge | I demand that feature! Why havn't you written it yet? |
| 19:42.24 | BabelO | kiozen: OSD for the waypoint text ? |
| 19:42.30 | BabelO | but manual entry :) |
| 19:42.46 | BabelO | kiozen: i never do to much waypoints :) |
| 19:43.01 | kiozen | ginge: right on it's way :) |
| 19:43.11 | ginge | damn, too efficient |
| 19:43.40 | ginge | I will have to harass you about something far more ridiculous |
| 19:43.46 | kiozen | BabelO: yes OSD |
| 19:43.57 | BabelO | kiozen: ok so i buy it :) |
| 19:44.28 | kiozen | ginge: I have my qlandkarte mailing list, that is enought madness |
| 19:44.51 | ginge | I demand unprecedented madness |
| 19:45.48 | kiozen | That is getting close to Monty Python :) |
| 19:45.58 | ginge | lol |
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| 19:53.14 | marajin | No, No, this started off as a nice little rant about over demanding users but now it's just turned silly |
| 19:54.46 | marajin | Your mother was a rootkit and your father sold only blackberries? |
| 19:54.59 | marajin | I'm too tired to come up with anything better |
| 19:55.09 | marajin | fail for me |
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| 20:04.00 | BabelO | kiozen: undefined reference to `GDALAllRegister' |
| 20:04.07 | BabelO | kiozen: too old gdal version ? |
| 20:05.04 | kiozen | BabelO: sound more like no GDAL at all. This is _the_ function of GDAL. |
| 20:05.26 | BabelO | kiozen: ok don't understand what he do |
| 20:06.06 | kiozen | GDALAllRegister is used to setup the gdal system. Thus I think this has been in GDAL for quite some tim e:) |
| 20:07.04 | BabelO | kiozen: ok, it is a new user :) |
| 20:07.43 | BabelO | kiozen: ok that's the wrong path ............ |
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| 20:10.27 | dcordes_ | BabelO: just read logs. I don't understand either why android requires modified ts drivers |
| 20:11.13 | BabelO | dcordes_: ask swetland or SanMehat :) it contain special hard coded value |
| 20:13.46 | dcordes_ | BabelO: it's the same on kaiser. with the android ts driver it doesn't work in tslib |
| 20:27.55 | marajin | you consider caffeine abuse and sleep deprivation to be heroic? :p |
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| 20:35.49 | br0nt0l0 | hi |
| 20:36.04 | br0nt0l0 | good evening (buona sera) |
| 20:36.42 | BabelO | evening br0nt0l0 |
| 20:37.59 | br0nt0l0 | i search a howto for install linux on my hw6915, it,s possible? |
| 20:38.25 | br0nt0l0 | scuse my english , but i speak only in italian |
| 20:41.08 | SanMehat | 4/clear |
| 20:41.39 | br0nt0l0 | no |
| 20:41.45 | br0nt0l0 | 4/install |
| 20:41.58 | SanMehat | thanks |
| 20:52.05 | br0nt0l0 | uhm, |
| 21:02.29 | dcordes | bye |
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| 21:09.11 | br0nt0l0 | re |
| 21:18.23 | BabelO | br0nt0l0: there is a linux kernel for 6915 |
| 21:18.38 | BabelO | in handhelds.org cvs |
| 21:19.11 | br0nt0l0 | uhm, |
| 21:19.21 | br0nt0l0 | it's very generic |
| 21:20.04 | br0nt0l0 | i use WM5torage 1.8 |
| 21:20.26 | br0nt0l0 | with qtopia-atemis |
| 21:20.46 | br0nt0l0 | for boot |
| 21:20.51 | BabelO | br0nt0l0: 6915 is not an htc artemis it is a htc sable with pxa |
| 21:21.26 | br0nt0l0 | ok |
| 21:21.29 | br0nt0l0 | i look it |
| 21:21.47 | BabelO | br0nt0l0: it can't work with artemis |
| 21:22.13 | br0nt0l0 | ok |
| 21:22.22 | br0nt0l0 | i serach link to download |
| 21:25.21 | BabelO | good night |
| 21:25.26 | br0nt0l0 | and boot loader? |
| 21:25.54 | br0nt0l0 | haret-0.5.1 it's ok? |
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| 21:30.05 | ginge | ali1234: evening |
| 21:30.17 | ali1234 | hi |
| 21:30.23 | br0nt0l0 | hi |
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| 21:41.29 | Espenfjo | So guys, any news on the diamond? I havent been following the discussions or progress here lately. |
| 21:50.37 | br0nt0l0 | but is not possible to install linux 4 hw6915! |
| 21:51.10 | br0nt0l0 | i look this link : http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 22:18.24 | br0nt0l0 | ok |
| 22:18.35 | br0nt0l0 | good night to all |
| 22:26.39 | ginge | SanMehat: do you have a couple of mins for a question, just getting around to looking at sd :) |
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