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| 12:47.08 | dcordes | moin |
| 13:00.21 | ALoGeNo | installing kde in my uni under debian :D |
| 13:00.33 | ALoGeNo | thas is very very nice.. :D |
| 13:00.52 | ALoGeNo | thats* |
| 13:01.35 | ALoGeNo | run like a devil.. is very quickly :) |
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| 13:49.05 | joss | hi guys |
| 13:49.55 | joss | anyone has a gps enabled qwerty htc model? |
| 13:55.24 | joss | hmm , ok so the question, exactly how many models from htc support this cf backpack? New ones/thin ones with gps also? |
| 13:55.40 | joss | where is the connector that supports this |
| 14:00.07 | joss | http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:eLsdS7nsqGcJ:www.worldofppc.com/HWTests/mda2back.htm+mda+II+backpack&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=10 |
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| 14:05.35 | joss | hi patoche, which model do you own, if you own one?:) |
| 14:07.39 | dwaradzyn | joss: that hardware is rather rare, noone answers propably because noone knows the answer. besides it is not linux specific |
| 14:09.34 | dcordes_ | joss: I have a htc kaiser which has gps and qwerty |
| 14:09.56 | dcordes_ | not with bulky produkt-des-monats-adapters but built-in |
| 14:10.26 | joss | dcordes: it's measures are? |
| 14:11.18 | dcordes_ | pdadb.net |
| 14:11.25 | dcordes_ | wiki.xda-developers.com |
| 14:11.28 | joss | dcordes_: pardon, well see if you have something similar to that jack as on the googlecache page to mount this |
| 14:11.34 | joss | cf card sleeve |
| 14:11.58 | dcordes_ | compact flash cards are almost as wide as the kaiser |
| 14:12.14 | dcordes_ | look at pdadb |
| 14:12.17 | dcordes_ | useful website. |
| 14:12.21 | joss | Size: 59 mm (2.3 in) (h) 112 mm (4.4 in) (w) 19 mm (0.75 in) (d) |
| 14:12.28 | joss | that is quite nice |
| 14:13.37 | joss | dcordes_: there is only one model, better then this, i guess that is not released yet, pro touch, thinner and lighter |
| 14:14.25 | dcordes_ | raphael ? |
| 14:14.40 | dcordes_ | you must use the htc codenames, or you will get confused / confuse otherse |
| 14:14.48 | dcordes_ | the aliases are all in xda wiki |
| 14:15.39 | joss | dcordes_: never mind, what i want to you do take a look at from your device is: if that connector that takes cf backpack is there |
| 14:16.09 | dcordes_ | pdadb.net |
| 14:16.12 | dcordes_ | bbl |
| 14:16.42 | joss | hmm.i guess hey do not mention it |
| 14:20.46 | joss | dcordes_: you gonna have to take a look i guess |
| 14:23.02 | dwaradzyn | joss: kaiser and raphael do not have compact flash support, they only have microsd |
| 14:23.42 | joss | dwaradzyn: hmm, well this 2020i also do not, but can be mounted with external jacket |
| 14:24.16 | joss | does not |
| 14:26.08 | dcordes_ | it is not possible to attach compact flash to the new devices |
| 14:26.10 | dcordes_ | obsolete bus |
| 14:26.22 | dcordes_ | maybe there are micrsod-> compact flash adaptors lol |
| 14:27.09 | joss | really silly, since it is the only one that takes cdma800 cdma450 cards |
| 14:28.37 | dcordes_ | if cdma is what you need, why don't you get a cdma cell phone?? |
| 14:28.43 | dcordes_ | vogue or so |
| 14:29.43 | joss | dcordes_: i want both, gsm and cdma:) |
| 14:31.05 | joss | dcordes_: but i also doubt that this cf backpack 2020i suites the kaiser model, since it's measures are kind a different |
| 14:32.43 | dcordes_ | there are cell phones which support both |
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| 14:35.07 | joss | dcordes_: not 800 and 450 cdma:( |
| 14:43.42 | joss | dcordes_: there is usb to compact flash adapter:) |
| 14:44.36 | dcordes_ | you would need extra power |
| 14:44.37 | joss | anyways dcordes_: does this kaiser have both usb normale, and miniusb slots? |
| 14:44.48 | dcordes_ | pdadb lists all it has. |
| 14:45.03 | joss | dcordes_: it says so, but perhaps they are wrong:) |
| 14:45.11 | dcordes_ | no they aren't |
| 14:45.34 | dcordes_ | it has one mini usb slot |
| 14:46.00 | dcordes_ | we don't have usb support yet though |
| 14:46.05 | dcordes_ | so you can't make use of it |
| 14:46.08 | joss | ah for linux |
| 14:46.21 | dcordes_ | look at the channel name |
| 14:46.28 | joss | how do you run linux on it, physucally or with haret? |
| 14:47.05 | dcordes_ | you mean physically as in not booting windows before? |
| 14:47.21 | joss | indeed |
| 14:47.39 | joss | dcordes_: you have jtac specs for this model also? |
| 14:47.40 | dcordes_ | for now it only works with haret |
| 14:50.45 | joss | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67044722%40N00/2702190763/ |
| 14:51.31 | dcordes_ | moko2 usb port is powered |
| 14:52.32 | joss | powered? |
| 14:54.10 | dcordes_ | it has 100mA juice |
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| 14:55.29 | joss | dcordes_: so kaiser can not use those things that way? |
| 14:55.36 | dcordes_ | not w/o extra power |
| 14:55.45 | dcordes_ | even then I'm not sure |
| 14:55.49 | dwaradzyn | kaiser does not support usb host, so you cannot connect any usb device to it. all you can do is connect kaiser to pc via usb cable |
| 14:55.53 | dcordes_ | since I couldn't try |
| 14:56.03 | joss | heh, pointless that way |
| 14:56.05 | dcordes_ | dwaradzyn: it is usb otg |
| 14:57.00 | dcordes_ | dwaradzyn: am I wrong? |
| 14:57.03 | dwaradzyn | damn, i read 1000x times that it has no host capability |
| 14:57.07 | joss | dcordes_: i guess there is no slot that connects via bluetooth righ:)? |
| 14:57.42 | dcordes_ | joss: bluetooth <> cf ? I don't knowD |
| 14:58.05 | dcordes_ | dwaradzyn: it's not used in windows. but isn't it really usb otg device? |
| 14:58.26 | joss | http://www.nextag.com/Socket-CF-COMPACT-FLASH-585843088/prices-html?nxtg=14d920a240522-0C1698F0A7A2EBC2 |
| 14:58.32 | dcordes_ | msm7200 has otg |
| 14:58.42 | joss | this seems to be obviously the other way around |
| 15:02.31 | joss | seems there are some bluetooth gsm modems, but no bluetooth cf card readers |
| 15:03.14 | dwaradzyn | dcordes_: it also has support for 8Mpix camera... i looked for otg on xda forum and wiki, there is no confirmation that kaiser has one |
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| 15:08.00 | joss | dcordes_: some bluetooth smart card readers also:) |
| 15:09.35 | dwaradzyn | dcordes_: according to wikipedia usb otg should provide power when standard usb 2.0 peripherial is connected to it, and kaiser does not provide any power, so i think it is clear that it has no usb otg |
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| 15:13.47 | joss | http://www.hcw.be/p.aspx?p=B7336 heres a weird device |
| 15:14.15 | joss | takes a compact flash and communicates via gps somehow, wonder how it's really used |
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| 15:27.27 | dcordes_ | dwaradzyn: the usb bus provided by msm7200 is otg one |
| 15:28.07 | dcordes_ | maybe when we have the usb in linux and manually provide power, we can use otg/host driver |
| 15:28.51 | dwaradzyn | ok, so it is not otg out of box, you have to modify it (provide power) |
| 15:30.00 | dcordes_ | which is not a problem |
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| 15:32.36 | joss | dcordes_: is there a htc model, that could work with those usb cf converters? |
| 15:32.54 | swetland | not sure about 7200 (it uses a different usb controller), but the hsusb on 7201A is OTG capable, includes an EHCI host controller, etc |
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| 15:34.11 | dcordes_ | swetland: so it is just a matter of the power required by a slave device |
| 15:34.14 | joss | swetland: ok, but a model, that has it? |
| 15:34.41 | joss | dcordes_: but still would need additional power yes? |
| 15:34.56 | dcordes_ | joss: on the kaiser? |
| 15:35.08 | swetland | yes, it would depend on the oem providing the necessary regulator/power routing |
| 15:35.43 | swetland | and the transceiver being otg-capable, though I believe most are these days. the one QCT uses in their reference design / dev boards is |
| 15:36.02 | dcordes_ | I hope the htc ones are also |
| 15:38.52 | joss | swetland: yeah but if external power is needed, that seems still little pointless, openmoko one does not need i guess |
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| 15:41.10 | dcordes_ | joss: why? if you fiddle around with usb to cf and cdma devices and so, why not hook up a small Li-Ion battery? |
| 15:41.30 | dcordes_ | google "usb battery pack" |
| 15:41.38 | ali1234 | or just use a powered hub that will power the phone and the devices |
| 15:42.11 | joss | hmm, there are firewire cf readers as well |
| 15:42.20 | dcordes_ | ali1234: you mean power the powered hub with a battery? |
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| 15:43.25 | ali1234 | i suppose you could but i was thinking using the powered hub more like a docking station with keyboard, mouse, larger storage device always connected, and just dock the phone onto it as the host device |
| 15:44.11 | joss | how this powered hub is connected to the device? |
| 15:44.33 | dcordes_ | ali1234: this doesn't sound so mobile :) |
| 15:44.35 | ali1234 | by USB? |
| 15:44.43 | ali1234 | it isnt supposed to be mobile... |
| 15:44.53 | dcordes_ | joss: do you need it to be mobile? |
| 15:45.00 | ali1234 | but then a keyboard/mouse/1TB hard drive are not mobile either |
| 15:45.29 | dcordes_ | you don't even need a hub for one device |
| 15:45.41 | ali1234 | except for the issue of power |
| 15:45.44 | dcordes_ | just hook up the battery to +5v and ground.. |
| 15:45.51 | dcordes_ | to a hostcable |
| 15:45.53 | joss | dcordes_: i wished yeah, but i could were another peace in another pocket as well |
| 15:46.17 | dcordes_ | I do that with some zaurus peripherals at times |
| 15:46.45 | joss | dcordes_: sl6000 looked quite nice, has two cf slot possibilities |
| 15:46.59 | dcordes_ | joss: an extra battery brings you extra power. your phone's battery won't be drained by the external device then |
| 15:47.00 | joss | but no integrated gsm, gps |
| 15:47.05 | dcordes_ | yea |
| 15:47.13 | dcordes_ | it's just a pda |
| 15:47.55 | joss | ali1234: how you mount an extrea battery, possible with kaiser raphael? |
| 15:48.13 | ali1234 | i dont know, i never suggested using a battery |
| 15:48.30 | joss | ah, pardon dcordes_ : did |
| 15:48.31 | ali1234 | i was just pointing out that a powered hub will power both the usb devices *and* the host |
| 15:49.06 | joss | ali1234: powered hub still needs a ground electricity:) |
| 15:49.40 | joss | nevermind starting to give up, some 600gram ones have all the stuff, but they seem to be just TOO BIG/HEAVY |
| 15:52.46 | ali1234 | 600 grams is nothing compared to the car battery you'll have to carry around to get a decent amount of usage out of the thing |
| 15:54.25 | joss | 600gram thingies do not have keyboard as well:) |
| 15:56.02 | dcordes_ | ali1234: car battery for what? external usb device? |
| 15:56.15 | dcordes_ | I have a 2200mAh battery that is a bit smaller than an ipod |
| 15:56.18 | joss | ali1234: i just do not seem to get why 2020i takes this cf then, without problems, it has even a weaker battery |
| 15:56.20 | dcordes_ | and very light |
| 15:56.40 | joss | dcordes_: that still wouldn't fit for this adapter? |
| 15:56.52 | ali1234 | 2,2 Ah = about 3 hours talk time |
| 15:58.03 | ali1234 | that's before you connect up the USB hub and all the peripherals |
| 16:00.39 | dcordes_ | I didn't suggest to talk with 2,2Ah battery but power an external cdma device with it. |
| 16:01.22 | joss | dcordes_: hmm, so would that be replacement battery or additional battery? |
| 16:02.09 | joss | dcordes_: the thing is , i have not found yet such external cdma device, besides this usb to cf stuff or usb modem:( |
| 16:02.43 | joss | those usb modems, surely do not have windows mobile drivers, cf cards some have |
| 16:02.49 | dcordes_ | joss: look, if I would try to do that with my kaiser what you want (gsm device plus cdma) I would try and get usb working in linux. then use a mini usb male -> usb female adapter where I would solder a jack for the battery to +5v and ground |
| 16:03.00 | dcordes_ | then connect cdma usb modem to it |
| 16:03.11 | dcordes_ | and use a decent 5v battery on the power jack |
| 16:03.28 | dcordes_ | the battery I would place on the end where the cdma usb device is |
| 16:03.49 | dcordes_ | so I have to boxes (phone and cdma+battery) connected with usb cable. |
| 16:04.08 | dcordes_ | you would probably stay below 600g |
| 16:04.18 | dcordes_ | but it's really hacky and at the time writing not work |
| 16:04.28 | dcordes_ | since usb driver is not present for kaiser |
| 16:05.42 | joss | uuh, complicated..so i think no go, should buy something at least..cdma internet is the best at the moment for travellers |
| 16:08.25 | joss | dcordes_: yeah, 2020i comes also with additional battery |
| 16:08.39 | joss | i mean that backpack |
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| 16:11.30 | dcordes_ | I don't know what 2020i is sorry |
| 16:11.36 | dcordes_ | is it the blueangel? |
| 16:11.41 | dcordes_ | I have seen a blueangel on the links you sent. |
| 16:13.56 | joss | http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=603 |
| 16:14.01 | joss | that is a real brick |
| 16:14.34 | joss | dcordes_: imate pocketpc, t-bomile mda II, and qtek/htc 2020i |
| 16:14.47 | joss | take this sleeve of cf addition |
| 16:15.04 | joss | bomile/hehe |
| 16:18.33 | dcordes_ | it looks like ruggedized construction side pda |
| 16:18.36 | dcordes_ | site |
| 16:20.09 | joss | ruggedized ? |
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| 16:20.53 | joss | ah ok, found the definition, well it is bit larger indeed some 1.5cm even |
| 16:21.17 | joss | dcordes_: that's why i like those new models, raphael seems wonderful, but no expansion packs at all:( |
| 16:22.57 | joss | dcordes_: you only use linux with it? |
| 16:23.03 | dcordes_ | on the kaiser? |
| 16:23.04 | dcordes_ | no |
| 16:23.10 | dcordes_ | it's not ready yet |
| 16:23.22 | joss | dcordes_: how about other suff, mplayer video output , bluetooth, buttons and such? |
| 16:23.25 | dcordes_ | the problem is SD driver |
| 16:23.54 | dcordes_ | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt |
| 16:24.00 | dcordes_ | it details on kaiser status |
| 16:24.01 | joss | but soldering an extra battery would need a driver change yes? |
| 16:24.16 | dcordes_ | not the battery is the problem, but USB Driver |
| 16:24.23 | dcordes_ | it is not operational yet |
| 16:24.31 | dcordes_ | so you won't have use of any batteries |
| 16:24.38 | dcordes_ | s/of/for/ |
| 16:24.44 | joss | dcordes_: well but windows has it mobile or such, no? |
| 16:25.04 | joss | though i myself prefer linux as well:( |
| 16:25.17 | joss | but it wouldn't matter that much for embedded |
| 16:27.07 | joss | dcordes_: ok, that scheme you made, aren't they selling such expansions, usb adapter with additional power? |
| 16:27.12 | dcordes_ | sorry didn't get that, what do you mean windows has it mobile or such? |
| 16:27.55 | joss | dcordes_: wm5-6 or whatever it is originally bundled with has usb driver operational i assume |
| 16:28.04 | dcordes_ | oh yea but not host |
| 16:28.30 | ali1234 | why dont you just get a phone with CDMA and connect it with blueooth? |
| 16:28.33 | dcordes_ | as swetland said, the hardware will most likely be ready for usb host (the chipset has usb host) except for the power |
| 16:28.41 | ali1234 | you wont need any extra batteries or cables then |
| 16:28.53 | dcordes_ | ali1234: joss: what about two phones? |
| 16:29.10 | joss | seems to be only possibility then:) |
| 16:29.28 | joss | i would love to deal with one, but i guess gets bit tricky |
| 16:31.04 | joss | i was before thinking about bluetooth/gsm/gps wach and ipaq with cdma |
| 16:31.49 | joss | sl6000 with watch and two cf-cards:) |
| 16:33.41 | joss | http://www.chinagrabber.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1373 |
| 16:35.10 | dcordes_ | waht's the point in not using to small cellphones instead of one huge bulky heavy one or one with an external box |
| 16:35.15 | dcordes_ | which will also be bulky |
| 16:35.23 | dcordes_ | s/to/two/ |
| 16:36.37 | joss | indeed, this watch lookes like an alien one also |
| 16:37.02 | ali1234 | $239 ... geez |
| 16:38.36 | miknix | hello all |
| 16:38.53 | joss | sl6000 i think should be little bigger then raphael |
| 16:40.13 | miknix | do you guys know something about a ARM UMPC/laptop? |
| 16:43.45 | dcordes_ | miknix: what do you need to do with it? does need a big screen? |
| 16:43.58 | dcordes_ | http://www.openpandora.org |
| 16:44.17 | dcordes_ | but it's rather a pda |
| 16:44.27 | miknix | I'm looking for something like the eeePC, but with a ARM cpu instead |
| 16:44.45 | dcordes_ | that would be nice |
| 16:44.48 | dcordes_ | with omap3 :) |
| 16:45.01 | dcordes_ | brb |
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| 16:45.21 | miknix | dcordes_, there is also a Elonex One, but has a x86 architecture AFAIK |
| 16:45.45 | ali1234 | http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=225532&source=1 |
| 16:45.55 | ali1234 | that's MIPS based apparently |
| 16:46.10 | ali1234 | but it costs more than eee and probably worse quality |
| 16:47.06 | miknix | Battery life:3 hours |
| 16:47.19 | miknix | that's exactly what I'm not looking for :) |
| 16:47.35 | ali1234 | i know, i know |
| 16:48.25 | joss | dcordes_: you think htc could be used for all of the suff via blueooth, just a second phone in pocket? |
| 16:49.02 | dcordes_ | htc is vague |
| 16:49.10 | ali1234 | windows mobile bluetooth network sharing is crap,you constantly have to reset the phone/restart the connection |
| 16:49.27 | dcordes_ | ali1234: does it work at a all for phone vs phone sharing? |
| 16:50.29 | ali1234 | never tried it |
| 16:50.43 | dcordes_ | ali1234: I had a very crappy experience using kaiser as bluetootoh modem for the zaurus |
| 16:50.50 | ali1234 | yep |
| 16:51.13 | dcordes_ | the connection always died when kaiser changed net type |
| 16:51.25 | ali1234 | i have seen a palm PDA working with a sony ericson phone, it was the easiest thing in the world to set up, and once they were paired, they worked perfectly ever after |
| 16:51.27 | dcordes_ | between gprs/edge/hsdpa |
| 16:51.47 | ali1234 | on my wizard the connection dies randomly all the time, even when the network does not change |
| 16:52.03 | ali1234 | and it does not automatically reconnect until you go on the phone and click some buttons |
| 16:52.56 | ali1234 | so if you are buying a phone purely to use as a modem, i recommend anything but windows mobile |
| 16:54.07 | dcordes_ | in linux you can turn off everything but gsm/bluetooth |
| 16:56.07 | joss | ali1234: palm? |
| 16:56.12 | dcordes_ | joss: what are you priorities? do you need gsm mor than cdma? what do you do with either, phone calls? internet? |
| 16:57.13 | ali1234 | joss: yes it was a palm treo |
| 16:57.32 | dcordes_ | I'm out bbl |
| 16:57.48 | ali1234 | and a sony ericsson 810i i think |
| 16:58.21 | joss | dcordes_: i think i can get cdma internet ..and gsm phone calls, no? |
| 16:58.38 | joss | Ubiquam UM-100 was the cf card that should work with 450mhz networks |
| 16:59.42 | joss | http://gotole.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008825236527/pdtl/Watch-phone/1008359220/GSM-GPS-Watch-Mobile-Phone.htm |
| 17:00.02 | joss | doesn't seem there is a dual gps/gsm watch, chinese may say whatever:) |
| 17:01.03 | joss | http://toneland.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008826106364/pdtl/Watch-phone/1005933281/GSM-Watch-Mobile-Phone.htm |
| 17:01.12 | joss | another one, i guess the chip is not built in |
| 17:03.27 | joss | http://glsat.manufacturer.globalsources.com/si/6008802441322/pdtl/Personal-navigation/1007958119/Watch.htm |
| 17:03.33 | joss | this one has it, but no gsm |
| 17:07.46 | joss | ali1234: http://www.boxwave.com/products/batteryadapter/ what is this? |
| 17:08.31 | ali1234 | it's what it looks like? |
| 17:09.21 | joss | ali1234: so this for the external power, for the chema we talked about yes? |
| 17:09.26 | joss | little too big i guess |
| 17:10.19 | ali1234 | you can use it to charge a device that you normally charge off a usb port, yes |
| 17:10.54 | joss | ali1234: seems like, it takes usb input, and passes usb also |
| 17:11.08 | joss | but i think 4alkaline batteries are too much no? |
| 17:11.27 | ali1234 | no it does not pass through usb |
| 17:11.38 | ali1234 | it just has a usb socket on it with only the 5v lines wired |
| 17:12.00 | ali1234 | 4 AA are needed to get the voltage up to 6V which will then presumably be regulated down to 5V |
| 17:12.19 | joss | have a look at this:http://www.boxwave.com/products/batteryadapter/index.htm#details |
| 17:13.03 | ali1234 | yes? |
| 17:13.20 | joss | well,i do not understand how to use it in my case:) |
| 17:13.31 | ali1234 | what is your case? |
| 17:13.46 | joss | feed the usb cf adapter with it |
| 17:13.51 | joss | possible? |
| 17:13.53 | ali1234 | you cant |
| 17:13.59 | ali1234 | not possible with that device |
| 17:14.15 | joss | so it is only ment for charging then |
| 17:14.27 | ali1234 | yes |
| 17:15.28 | joss | both ways around i think, charging the embedded device and charging itself, but not charging while doing usb io as well |
| 17:15.50 | ali1234 | to do that you need to get a powered hub and run it off a battery |
| 17:16.05 | joss | ali1234: can you find one? |
| 17:16.15 | ali1234 | yes any computer shop sells them |
| 17:16.58 | joss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hub? |
| 17:17.07 | ali1234 | take the 5V adapter that comes with it, cut off the connector, solder it to a 5V battery pack like the one you linked above, and plug it in |
| 17:18.25 | joss | well i think that this kind of invention leads to a brick again 600g:) |
| 17:18.32 | ali1234 | yes |
| 17:18.38 | ali1234 | that is unavoidable |
| 17:19.15 | ali1234 | my shoes weigh more than 600g |
| 17:19.57 | joss | ali1234: well yeah, seems i would need a hub with two inputs only |
| 17:21.19 | joss | ali1234: can you find an all in one ? so soldering is not needed |
| 17:21.33 | ali1234 | no |
| 17:21.43 | ali1234 | i have never seen anything like that |
| 17:22.16 | ali1234 | http://www.amazon.com/Cyberpower-CP-H420MP-USB-Hub-Battery-Powered/dp/B0002UQALQ |
| 17:22.19 | ali1234 | google ftw |
| 17:22.22 | joss | http://www.radioshack.com/sm-cyberpower-4-port-battery-powered-hub--pi-2259675.html |
| 17:22.36 | joss | same one:) |
| 17:22.45 | joss | nop |
| 17:22.56 | ali1234 | of course you will still have to cut off the USB connector and change it for a USB OTG connector |
| 17:23.20 | ali1234 | but at least it is 1 box |
| 17:23.56 | joss | uuuh. complicated, why do they not charge it over the air:D |
| 17:24.11 | joss | measures are not listed there, seems a brick itselt |
| 17:27.12 | joss | http://www.amazon.com/Ridata-Yego-2-port-Built-Orange/dp/B000OTFN36 |
| 17:27.20 | joss | without the power . yes? |
| 17:27.24 | joss | sucks |
| 17:32.54 | joss | yeah pointless, got to rest, thanks c ya |
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| 17:46.58 | stylist | hi guys |
| 17:47.11 | stylist | Can my i-Mate JasJar (the HTC Universal) run linux? |
| 18:02.04 | ellisway | stylist yes |
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| 18:05.47 | BabelO | hi |
| 18:05.50 | BabelO | ola kiozen :) |
| 18:05.53 | BabelO | ola kiozen :) |
| 18:06.00 | BabelO | compiling gt |
| 18:11.46 | stylist | thank you ellisway ;) |
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| 18:12.07 | stylist | Can I ask one more question please |
| 18:12.25 | stylist | Is there a way to put a FireWire port onto the HTC Universal and use it via linux |
| 18:12.46 | stylist | e.g. using a USB to pcmcia adapter, then plugging a pcmcia firewire card into that pcmcia adapter |
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| 18:15.21 | kiozen | ola BabelO, happy compiling :) |
| 18:16.17 | dcordes | stylist: what about directly using usb to firewire? |
| 18:16.36 | dcordes | stylist: maybe it's easier to replace the fireware device you plan to use for a usb one? |
| 18:17.46 | BabelO | kiozen: already finished :) trying it |
| 18:22.29 | stylist | dcordes_, yes or perhaps directly using a USB to firewire converter, if those devices exist and are supported by linux that would be easier than adding the additional step of a pcmcia converter |
| 18:22.38 | stylist | so yes |
| 18:28.08 | stylist | i must use firewire dcordes_;) |
| 18:29.05 | stylist | and i wonder how to get linux+firewire on a small portable device that fits in your pocket? |
| 18:36.10 | kiozen | BabelO: et? ca marche? |
| 18:36.17 | ellisway | the universal doesn`t have a external usb host |
| 18:37.30 | BabelO | kiozen: hmm i am able to draw the overlay polyline, but i see to + when i am with the mouseover, but not able to move it |
| 18:38.28 | kiozen | BabelO: move the mouse over the top right arrow icon and keep it pressed, now move the mouse |
| 18:39.36 | kiozen | BabelO: you have 4 functions per polyline point: delete, move, add new point befor, add new point after |
| 18:40.18 | kiozen | BabelO: if you are done, you can convert it into a track by right click in the overlay toolview |
| 18:40.45 | BabelO | kiozen: ok, but the icon around the point are not easy to click on it ... |
| 18:41.42 | kiozen | BabelO: aren't they? don't drink too much wine :) |
| 18:42.53 | BabelO | kiozen: yes they are, to move the point like you say, i need to put mouse in bottom left corner of the icon, look strange |
| 18:43.03 | kiozen | ???? |
| 18:43.25 | kiozen | you should be able to place it anywhere in the 16x16 pixel area of the icon |
| 18:43.52 | kiozen | BabelO: the cursor will change to a pointy hand |
| 18:44.46 | BabelO | kiozen: ok i see :) if you go to the point from outside bottom left , when you go to the icon to move it your mouse cursor change. else if you come from top right, mouse icon does not change |
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| 18:47.20 | BabelO | kiozen: where i need to click ? to convert it ? i don't understand |
| 18:47.43 | kiozen | BabelO: on the left hand side all overlays are listed |
| 18:47.48 | ALoGeNo | hi all you guys :) |
| 18:48.04 | kiozen | BabelO: rightclick on the distance overaly |
| 18:48.28 | ALoGeNo | anyone knows how turn on the backligth of keyboard in the htc uni? |
| 18:48.31 | BabelO | kiozen: ok sorry this toolbox heigh was zero :) |
| 18:48.52 | ALoGeNo | im usin debian armel nice work to all :) |
| 18:49.15 | BabelO | kiozen: perfect, just what i want :) track upload works so |
| 18:49.26 | BabelO | hi ALoGeNo |
| 18:49.35 | kiozen | BabelO: for M yes, but still no profile graph in M |
| 18:49.37 | ALoGeNo | hey BabelO :) |
| 18:49.54 | kiozen | BabelO: but you can load the track into memory to show it on the map |
| 18:50.30 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: depend if you compile kernel yourself, else look in echo 1 > /sys/class/leds/..../brightness |
| 18:50.42 | ALoGeNo | im very surprised becose debian runs very faster in my uni :D need to see the keys more better hehe sorry my english :) |
| 18:50.44 | kiozen | BabelO: wife is waiting with Star Wars V, bbl |
| 18:51.16 | BabelO | kiozen: thanks again, bbl |
| 18:51.19 | ALoGeNo | oh i see something about rigth now.. i not.. my kernel is downloaded :) |
| 18:51.38 | ALoGeNo | that is a module? |
| 18:51.50 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: yes a module |
| 18:51.56 | ALoGeNo | bb BabelO |
| 18:51.59 | BabelO | look in /sys/class/leds if you see it |
| 18:52.05 | ALoGeNo | ok lmsensors? |
| 18:52.27 | ALoGeNo | oh.. i dunno.. but thnks you helme a lot :D |
| 18:52.29 | ALoGeNo | tnx :D |
| 18:52.31 | ALoGeNo | bb |
| 18:52.32 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 19:11.38 | ALoGeNo | BabelO: i have htcuniversal:kbdbac |
| 19:11.52 | ALoGeNo | what i mut to do with that? |
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| 19:32.50 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: echo 50 > /sys/class/leds/htcuniversal:kbdbac/brightness |
| 19:34.28 | ALoGeNo | :D i love you man hehe |
| 19:34.29 | ALoGeNo | tnx |
| 19:36.58 | ALoGeNo | you are the best..yes sir.. |
| 19:37.02 | ALoGeNo | ;D |
| 19:37.34 | ALoGeNo | BabelO: that is permanet? |
| 19:37.44 | BabelO | yes |
| 19:37.46 | ALoGeNo | to turn off? with 0? |
| 19:37.56 | BabelO | yes |
| 19:38.07 | ALoGeNo | hehhe great |
| 19:38.17 | BabelO | if you want timer , try cat trigger and show me th result |
| 19:38.25 | ALoGeNo | thank you a lot :) |
| 19:38.51 | ALoGeNo | oh nono i need that allways on :) |
| 19:39.01 | ALoGeNo | thank you :) |
| 19:39.14 | ALoGeNo | some solution for the clock? |
| 19:41.09 | BabelO | there is a module made by kevin2 which turn on automatically any led on kaypress for a given time |
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| 20:35.30 | ALoGeNo | BabelO: you still there? |
| 20:35.47 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: yes |
| 20:36.09 | ALoGeNo | you are uni owner? |
| 20:36.35 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: no |
| 20:37.01 | ALoGeNo | oh ok, i see.. |
| 20:37.11 | ALoGeNo | you are a linux guru then ;) |
| 20:37.32 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: i ve a htc blueangel and htc artemis and some other linux devices |
| 20:37.51 | ALoGeNo | ohh nice machines ;)) |
| 20:38.10 | ALoGeNo | bluangel is 100% like the uni ( hardware i mean) |
| 20:38.15 | ALoGeNo | ¿? |
| 20:38.37 | ALoGeNo | bluangel is 100% like the uni?* ( hardware i mean) |
| 20:38.42 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: missing the camera, and some internal thing are not but free :) |
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| 20:39.07 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: it is not same hardware no, but closest yes |
| 20:39.29 | ALoGeNo | yes ;) camera for what hehe.. i prefer wifi than camera stuff ;) |
| 20:40.01 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: camera driver exist, just miss someone who can integrate it |
| 20:40.28 | ALoGeNo | oh and if you find a driver you can compile it? |
| 20:41.14 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: driver exist, just need to find someont to compile it and add missing thing into universal code to support the driver |
| 20:41.41 | ALoGeNo | ohh.. i see more clear now :) |
| 20:42.40 | ALoGeNo | and with the wifi?, i installed module-assistant under debian in the uni and that shows me the acx driver to compilate.. |
| 20:42.44 | BabelO | need to reboot |
| 20:42.58 | ALoGeNo | that driver could run? |
| 20:43.03 | ALoGeNo | kk bb :) |
| 20:43.26 | BabelO | ALoGeNo: no, wifi acx dirver for uni and other htc device is special |
| 20:43.50 | ALoGeNo | like the camera driver no? |
| 20:43.58 | ALoGeNo | oh is rebooting :) |
| 20:44.32 | ALoGeNo | very interestant that history of linux in the pda :D |
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| 20:55.37 | imfloflo | hi guys just a little question is harwdware acceleration is OK on android ? |
| 20:56.16 | ali1234 | android doesnt use it |
| 20:56.28 | ali1234 | not the version that's around at the moment anyway |
| 20:56.41 | imfloflo | ok so with our HTC device we 'll have slow graphic on android |
| 20:56.51 | ali1234 | i dont see why |
| 20:57.07 | ali1234 | i assume you are talking about the crap performance on kaiser bug? |
| 20:57.15 | ali1234 | frankly i dont understand it |
| 20:58.18 | imfloflo | yes kaiser or polaris , it's just a question to understand if this bug 'll be reproduce under android or not , and if we can have a speed device under android.th'a's all ^^ |
| 20:59.30 | ali1234 | you have to remember that 1. people have kaisers which dont exhibit the bug, 2. kaisers that do have the bug are slower than older devices that DO NOT HAVE hardware accelerated graphics |
| 20:59.57 | ali1234 | this to me indicates that it isnt anything to do with "they didnt make drivers" |
| 21:00.09 | ali1234 | because if they didnt make drivers, you wouldnt have any display at all |
| 21:00.25 | imfloflo | yes sure |
| 21:00.29 | imfloflo | thanks for reply ;) |
| 21:00.47 | ali1234 | but just because the drivers do not use the graphics chipset does not mean it should be *THAT* slow, because even 3 year old phones can refresh the screen faster than that |
| 21:00.52 | imfloflo | is there a irc channel dedicated to the android on polaris ? |
| 21:01.07 | imfloflo | cause on XDA the tread is dead |
| 21:01.19 | ali1234 | i guess this one |
| 21:03.02 | imfloflo | cause on this link http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/polaris-bootkit/ there is not very much update and only 0.8 sDK |
| 21:04.40 | ginge | not much has changed in the kaiser/polaris for a little while |
| 21:05.00 | ali1234 | hi ginge :) |
| 21:05.18 | ginge | and ali1234 yes, there is 2d software support (which is still fast) but no ati 3d accell driver |
| 21:05.32 | ginge | if there was the windows mobile problem 3d would also go away |
| 21:05.45 | ali1234 | what do you mean? |
| 21:06.09 | ginge | well if there was souce for a 3d chipset driver for linux, it could be used to write a win mobile one |
| 21:06.19 | ginge | there isnt so it didn't |
| 21:06.31 | ali1234 | um... that isn't my point |
| 21:06.46 | ginge | no, your point was the driver is already more than fast enough |
| 21:06.50 | ginge | right? |
| 21:07.03 | ali1234 | no my point was the existing driver must have a really bad bug in it to be that slow |
| 21:07.14 | ali1234 | nothing to do with the fact it doesnt use the ATI 3D stuff |
| 21:07.24 | ali1234 | even a software driver should be faster than that |
| 21:07.32 | ginge | I see. No evidence of that bug, but the driver is well written |
| 21:07.49 | ali1234 | how do you know? |
| 21:08.03 | ginge | because video plays really nicely |
| 21:08.06 | ali1234 | im talking about the winmobile driver? |
| 21:08.14 | ali1234 | the one that every one complains about? |
| 21:08.26 | ali1234 | the one that cant do more than about 2-3 fps |
| 21:08.36 | ginge | winmobile video == shit |
| 21:08.36 | ginge | linux video == ok |
| 21:08.48 | ali1234 | yes. and it is not just video |
| 21:08.51 | ginge | thats pretty much my only benchmark on this |
| 21:08.58 | ali1234 | look at the vids on youtube, there are loads now |
| 21:09.01 | ginge | but it affects anything blitted iirc |
| 21:09.11 | ali1234 | one guy shows it scrolling in the start menu, and it flickers really badly |
| 21:09.27 | ginge | yeah mine is near unusbale |
| 21:09.41 | ali1234 | but the thing is it doesnt happen on every phone |
| 21:09.51 | ali1234 | some people have videos where it is running fine |
| 21:10.07 | ali1234 | here's a clue |
| 21:10.22 | ali1234 | one guy has a video of him running quake... it runs really smooth until he touches the screen |
| 21:11.21 | ali1234 | anyone remember in win95 where holding down the LMB on the desktop would put the CPU to 100%? |
| 21:11.48 | ginge | hmmm |
| 21:13.02 | ali1234 | anyway, this is just to be expected from microsoft operating systems, and i really cannot see it affecting android if/when it is properly ported |
| 21:13.38 | ginge | properly po |
| 21:13.41 | ginge | ported? |
| 21:14.01 | ali1234 | yes properly ported |
| 21:14.05 | ginge | which part? |
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| 21:14.19 | ali1234 | the "1.0" part |
| 21:14.28 | ginge | what? |
| 21:14.47 | ali1234 | the final version that's actually released on a real phone |
| 21:15.04 | ginge | I can't imagine it will change all that much |
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| 21:31.08 | joss | ali1234: still here? |
| 21:31.22 | ali1234 | yes? |
| 21:31.41 | joss | ali1234: http://www.iogear.com/product/GBS301/ |
| 21:32.38 | joss | i do not know which adapters are those, i have serial ones such in my computer, all the same pins, do embedded ones have those different? |
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| 21:33.26 | ali1234 | eh? |
| 21:33.44 | joss | pins are wrong way there |
| 21:34.07 | joss | i at least can not connect such device to my pc |
| 21:34.35 | ali1234 | it's meant to be used with serial peripherals ie a modem |
| 21:34.48 | ali1234 | if you look at a modem you'll notice it's connector is the opposite type to the PC |
| 21:34.56 | joss | whou really? |
| 21:34.57 | ali1234 | on your PC you are supposed to use a USB dongle or such |
| 21:35.09 | ali1234 | USB bluetooth that is |
| 21:35.51 | joss | so that is what i was looking for mostly |
| 21:36.05 | joss | can't this be used with kaiser then? |
| 21:36.12 | ali1234 | yes it can |
| 21:36.25 | ali1234 | kaiser can connect to it over bluetooth |
| 21:38.34 | joss | cool, wonder aren't there such usb ones? |
| 21:39.01 | ali1234 | there are? |
| 21:42.15 | ali1234 | http://www.amazon.co.uk/USB-RS232-Converter-Cable/dp/B00077DJIQ |
| 21:42.16 | joss | yes yes, that is what i thought..depends how big that device is, it does not need the external power? |
| 21:42.17 | ali1234 | power is taken from the usb connector |
| 21:42.17 | ali1234 | the bluetooth rs232 almost certainly needs a power adapter |
| 21:43.07 | joss | weird, doesn't it work with batteries? |
| 21:43.07 | ali1234 | maybe, i dont know |
| 21:46.45 | joss | ali1234: yeah, grrrr, still manual says it needs a power cable:( |
| 21:47.04 | ali1234 | why dont you just get a phone with bluetooth and use that? |
| 21:48.52 | joss | they are quite big it seems, and still lack 450mhz |
| 21:49.15 | joss | found some,but they seem really more like fake ones |
| 21:49.26 | joss | alibaba sourced and such |
| 21:54.50 | joss | ali1234: http://www.aircable.net/serial.html same one yes, that mentiones batteries also:)? |
| 21:58.37 | joss | http://www.aircable.net/serial3x.html this one, seems to have voltage on board |
| 21:59.13 | marajin | hmm |
| 22:00.43 | marajin | joss: Er, the pure clockspeed is not relevant depending on the actual CPU type. I'd rather have a 400mhz Samsung sc thing than an xscale generally for example |
| 22:01.16 | ali1234 | he means 450mhz radio for CDMA :) |
| 22:01.37 | marajin | d'oh |
| 22:01.40 | marajin | teach me to read the scrollback |
| 22:01.52 | ali1234 | you'd have to scroll back a loooong way to read that :) |
| 22:02.04 | marajin | ya know ali1234 I'm sure there was something I meant to mention to you but I'm damned if I can remember now -.- |
| 22:02.14 | joss | marajin: nothing that i understand of, why you talk about cpu speed? |
| 22:03.30 | marajin | joss: Sorry I didn't read back far enough, I thought you were talking about CPU speed not radio. |
| 22:03.36 | marajin | joss: Just ignore what I say |
| 22:05.32 | joss | marajin: never mind, not a specialist myself, trying to find out, if such gadget could work connecting a cdma modem to smartphones |
| 22:06.06 | ginge | cant you use the built in modem? |
| 22:06.36 | marajin | ginge: It'sa you! |
| 22:06.44 | marajin | ginge: Been too busy shreading on GH? :P |
| 22:07.00 | ginge | naa had to go to a long and boring wedding, and then recover ;) |
| 22:07.18 | marajin | Point taken sir, point taken ;) |
| 22:07.41 | marajin | I wonder if dcordes has gotten over his drunken moral outrage yet.. |
| 22:07.51 | ginge | which one? |
| 22:08.17 | joss | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.26 | marajin | which... drunken moral outrage? |
| 22:08.44 | ginge | which particular outrage, yes |
| 22:09.21 | marajin | ah it's a long story, to do with medical injustices |
| 22:09.23 | marajin | nods. |
| 22:09.34 | ginge | ah ok. not heard that one ;) |
| 22:09.50 | marajin | yeah it was about 4am last night heh |
| 22:09.53 | marajin | and it was in PMs |
| 22:09.54 | marajin | so |
| 22:10.34 | joss | ali1234: what do you think if such thing could work connecting a modem with it, and controlling via bluetooth? |
| 22:11.12 | ali1234 | if you can get a battery powered serial CDMA terminal and a battery powered bluetooth to serial, then it should work |
| 22:12.33 | joss | ali1234: no battery powered cdma terminal i do not know of:) |
| 22:12.46 | joss | but this adapter itself should be battery powered |
| 22:13.14 | ali1234 | the adapter wont power the device it is connected to |
| 22:13.37 | joss | ali1234: eh, you sure, why? |
| 22:13.51 | ali1234 | because serial port does not have power lines |
| 22:14.12 | marajin | ginge: So how's the GH3 shreading going btw? |
| 22:14.14 | joss | ali1234: they say 9pin is for power, i thought so |
| 22:14.43 | ali1234 | for power for the adapter, if the device has a specially modified serial port |
| 22:14.43 | ginge | marajin: not really played it much |
| 22:15.01 | joss | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.18 | joss | ali1234: isn't that ment for it? |
| 22:15.35 | marajin | ginge: A likely story! :p |
| 22:15.42 | ali1234 | it's for charging the battery in the adapter |
| 22:15.46 | ali1234 | not for powering other things |
| 22:15.56 | ali1234 | other things dont have power on pin 9 |
| 22:17.22 | joss | ali1234: damn, seems logical |
| 22:17.43 | joss | ali1234: some other port has power lines? |
| 22:17.49 | ali1234 | USB |
| 22:18.14 | ali1234 | but only on hosts, not OTG |
| 22:18.21 | joss | ali1234: hmm, then perhaps there is a usb one |
| 22:18.31 | ali1234 | (usually) |
| 22:20.02 | joss | heh, really complicated,perhaps this usb converter would pass the power ahead:) |
| 22:20.24 | ginge | surely power is not a problem... battery + choc block + electrical tape |
| 22:21.42 | joss | choc block --chocalete? |
| 22:22.04 | ginge | http://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Images/Products/size_3/TLCON15.JPG |
| 22:22.08 | joss | choclate, weird stuff, english isnätmy native |
| 22:22.40 | ginge | that stuff is called choc block |
| 22:22.47 | ginge | or chocolate block |
| 22:23.37 | ginge | it probably has a real name ;) |
| 22:23.50 | joss | ginge: you took a look to that battery powered bluetooth serial adapter? |
| 22:24.05 | ginge | yes, briefly |
| 22:25.20 | marajin | ginge: Nah everyone calls them choc blocks or chocolate drops |
| 22:25.25 | ginge | it has a built in battery and charger |
| 22:25.59 | joss | ginge: which one, that my link airxxx one? |
| 22:26.06 | marajin | One of the most useful bits of electrical kit I know of too :p |
| 22:26.09 | ginge | aircable |
| 22:26.14 | marajin | insolation tape and choc blocks |
| 22:26.30 | ginge | if you need it powered all the time you probably dont need the battery |
| 22:26.35 | joss | ginge: yeah. but ali1234 thought it would not power the cdma modem:( |
| 22:26.41 | ginge | it wont |
| 22:27.27 | joss | how it would? |
| 22:27.50 | joss | :) with the use of your chocolate snickers bars?:) |
| 22:28.13 | ginge | one moment... |
| 22:28.57 | marajin | joss: hah :P |
| 22:29.07 | marajin | joss: Nah that gives YOU energy |
| 22:33.05 | ginge | back. |
| 22:33.57 | joss | ginge: cdma modems, definitely do not have batteries for power, since they are with usb interface |
| 22:34.11 | ginge | joss you need to hook a bigger battery into your devices. cut the wire off the chargers (make sure they are all the same voltage) and get a dc-dc converter from the battery. (no links, sorry) then take the output from the dc-dc converter and put them into your devices |
| 22:35.52 | joss | damn, again mcguyvering needed |
| 22:35.58 | ginge | yep |
| 22:36.07 | ginge | I dont really see any other way |
| 22:36.15 | ali1234 | get a CDMA phone!!! |
| 22:36.21 | marajin | :p |
| 22:36.24 | ginge | that would do it :) |
| 22:36.47 | marajin | Pssst... ginge... where's the tranq darts... we may need 'em |
| 22:36.53 | marajin | gestures discretely at ali1234 . |
| 22:38.08 | joss | ginge: you speak mandarin to me yes? |
| 22:38.24 | ALoGeNo | and spanish to me ok? |
| 22:38.30 | ALoGeNo | XD |
| 22:39.16 | ALoGeNo | hey some special tip to run X in the uni? |
| 22:39.38 | joss | no i myself speak estonian, this ac-dc stuff seems like mandarin though |
| 22:40.01 | ALoGeNo | ac-dc stuff xD |
| 22:40.09 | ALoGeNo | lmao |
| 22:40.31 | ALoGeNo | hi NAiL |
| 22:42.05 | joss | ginge: which devices you though, this aircable and cdma modem? |
| 22:42.52 | marajin | I will only be spoken to in an obscure dialect of a language entirely created by my own sick and twisted mind |
| 22:42.55 | marajin | nods. |
| 22:43.08 | ginge | flibber jabber dc-dc woowar ni! |
| 22:45.16 | ginge | was picking up parts of my quadcopter from the floor. yeah I will need to mill a new base and extrude some better landing gear. I will send you the plans once I make the revisions. I also need to change the firmware... it shouldn't be able to go upside down and instantly hit the floor in a pile of flames. oh well. version 0.4 coming up. |
| 22:45.24 | ginge | wrooong window |
| 22:46.01 | joss | heh, some modems actually really do exist with batteries included, anydata seem to have such |
| 22:46.04 | ginge | joss: um so... your solution would be a tricky wiring setup from a battery to the modem + bluetooth gear |
| 22:46.28 | ginge | joss: can you get one with bluetooth and a battery without calling it a phone ;) |
| 22:47.15 | joss | ginge: at least it seems so:) |
| 22:47.47 | joss | weird weird stuff, perhaps it is ment to use like that, bearing in mind that some are not mcgyvers |
| 22:48.05 | marajin | ginge: What did I tell you about creating death dealing war machines for invading france?! |
| 22:48.17 | ginge | well, one has to try :) |
| 22:48.17 | joss | http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:l_psRJ04xBcJ:www.tribase.cz/drivers/adsl_cdma/cdma_anydata_ADU_E100H/Easy%2520Wireless%2520Net%2520Manual(English).pdf+cdma+usb+modem,+batteries&hl=et&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ee |
| 22:48.47 | marajin | ginge: Yeah yeah but you're cracking a nut witha bazooka ;) Just throw some british food at them, they'll run a mile |
| 22:48.56 | ginge | lol |
| 22:49.20 | ginge | not a problem now, it did explody |
| 22:49.44 | marajin | yay boom |
| 22:49.48 | ginge | joss: what about cdma modem + wifi? |
| 22:51.01 | ginge | "yay lets test the new algorithm for autogyration landing when power fails" oh shit it went upside down"... " diff - gyrate->vector=up +gyrate->vector=-up" |
| 22:52.16 | marajin | rofl |
| 22:52.51 | marajin | You didn't help program that mars probe did you? ;) |
| 22:53.00 | joss | ginge: seen something like that? |
| 22:53.04 | ginge | yeah |
| 22:53.15 | joss | ginge: battery powered also? |
| 22:53.26 | ginge | http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/GWirelessRouters/MBR814XUC.aspx |
| 22:53.26 | ginge | not battery powered |
| 22:53.32 | ginge | but easier to make battery powered |
| 22:54.07 | joss | ginge: that is a monster, i can not put that into my pocket? |
| 22:54.27 | ginge | you could a phone tho |
| 22:54.45 | joss | ginge: these you can throw also agains french heads or whatever in a war |
| 22:55.21 | marajin | joss: you could always get a gym membership too ;) |
| 22:56.53 | joss | like gymnastics? i am allready retired |
| 22:57.07 | marajin | nah like weight lifting |
| 22:58.10 | marajin | There are 75 year olds still benchpressing 300lbs |
| 22:58.28 | marajin | 136kg if you'd rather |
| 22:59.06 | joss | anyways, this still becomes like a phone anyways..that modem and aircable will be bigger then pda itself |
| 23:00.28 | marajin | what pda are you using anyway? |
| 23:01.15 | joss | wanting to buy one.. |
| 23:01.24 | joss | was thinking about that raphael, seems nice |
| 23:01.43 | joss | but that lacks, cdma 450/800 |
| 23:03.05 | marajin | well it would, it's a GSM phone |
| 23:03.11 | marajin | you mean the herman or something ? |
| 23:03.23 | marajin | that has CDMA 800 |
| 23:03.43 | joss | but lacks gsm yes |
| 23:03.57 | joss | why cant they make one, that has them all |
| 23:03.58 | marajin | you want GSM and CDMA? |
| 23:04.10 | marajin | well because it's generally pointless as far as I'm aware? |
| 23:05.23 | marajin | and I guess nobody makes the chipset for it |
| 23:05.36 | marajin | and they may not have room really to cram cdma and gsm/umts/etc. into one unit |
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| 23:05.48 | joss | marajin: there is a dual band cdma phone called asp-505 |
| 23:06.05 | joss | and a gsm quadband cdma 450 one, called asp-500-ga |
| 23:06.15 | joss | both from anydata |
| 23:07.25 | marajin | ok so some make them but they're esoteric and low demand? |
| 23:07.49 | joss | i think, russia should not be that low demand country |
| 23:08.03 | joss | they have high speed internet via 450mhz evdo, here in estonia also |
| 23:08.26 | joss | population isn't just nywhere nere china and even us |
| 23:08.46 | marajin | it's becoming fairly common in many countries to have GSM/3g and CDMA/EVDO coverage |
| 23:09.17 | marajin | but basically I think not enough people ask for a phone that specifically does both |
| 23:09.20 | marajin | so nobody makes one |
| 23:09.21 | joss | marajin: but yes, i have not seen 450/850cdma and all gsm and qwerty keyboad, that would suite to me |
| 23:09.44 | marajin | joss: Find one with a CF slot and get a CF CDMA modem? |
| 23:10.05 | marajin | or usb host perhaps? |
| 23:10.14 | joss | marajin: yeah that i have been doing the whole day |
| 23:10.42 | marajin | I may get a CF 3G modem for my UMPC.. |
| 23:10.49 | joss | marajin: htc only has 2020i no qwery big as hell |
| 23:10.56 | joss | umpc? |
| 23:11.37 | ginge | oh the plasma speaker thing? |
| 23:11.42 | ginge | argh wrong window again |
| 23:11.52 | marajin | joss: UMPC = Ultra Mobile PC. It's a 7" laptop/tablet PC |
| 23:12.14 | joss | marajin: ah i was thinking more of a phone |
| 23:14.03 | marajin | yeah I'm just saying I may get a modem for my UMPC as a side thing |
| 23:14.07 | marajin | it's not a suggestion to you |
| 23:14.15 | marajin | but wow the CF modems seem overpriced |
| 23:14.35 | joss | marajin: never delt with palm's someone says they have a cf jacket |
| 23:14.55 | marajin | I haven't used Palm in years |
| 23:15.04 | marajin | they annoyed me with their stoneage OS |
| 23:16.05 | marajin | palmOS used to be nice but now it's a matter of 'FOr the love of god get with the program! We don't need a 400mhz + wifi + bt + 64MB of RAM device coupled with an OS designed to run on 1/10th of that and incapable of using it when it has it!) |
| 23:16.12 | joss | http://www.treocentral.com/content/Stories/108-1.htm |
| 23:16.57 | joss | marajin: i also think that cf cards just would not work with it anywas.. |
| 23:17.19 | marajin | usb then? |
| 23:17.21 | joss | none really ever say that palm drivers are supported with most gadgets, and blabla |
| 23:17.24 | marajin | anyway, afk a bit |
| 23:17.37 | joss | afk? |
| 23:17.49 | marajin | afk = Away From keyboard |
| 23:17.58 | marajin | I have to go away from the computer for a while |
| 23:18.36 | joss | yeah allready saw that |
| 23:20.34 | joss | ali1234: yeah seems bit weird to charge three gadgets all the time, though even if they will work like this most probably:) |
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| 23:26.16 | ALoGeNo | hey guys, what type of xserver i must use in my htc universal with debian? |
| 23:26.30 | ALoGeNo | any sugestion? |
| 23:27.03 | joss | ALoGeNo: mostly seems they use kdrive or similar |
| 23:27.20 | ALoGeNo | wow where is the maravellous? |
| 23:27.52 | ALoGeNo | google? |
| 23:28.16 | ALoGeNo | okey apt-search cache kdrive :) |
| 23:29.06 | ALoGeNo | nested X server??? |
| 23:29.14 | ALoGeNo | thats it? |
| 23:29.21 | ALoGeNo | joss: ? |
| 23:29.40 | joss | ALoGeNo: i have never run linux on embedded, i just thought |
| 23:29.45 | ALoGeNo | xserver-xephyr? |
| 23:29.59 | ALoGeNo | oh ok sorry tnx |
| 23:30.01 | joss | i do not remember what X samsung sch-858 had |
| 23:30.21 | ALoGeNo | okey dokey dude :) tnx a lot |
| 23:31.36 | ALoGeNo | hehe you save may ass with kdriver ;))) |
| 23:31.45 | ALoGeNo | tnx again ;) |
| 23:32.22 | joss | search ipkgfind with xserver i think |
| 23:32.35 | joss | xserver-tiny-h3600 |
| 23:33.06 | joss | theres also one other then kdrive, i think that was in samsung phone also, some tinyX or something |
| 23:38.11 | ALoGeNo | oh but that is debian |
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| 23:38.17 | ALoGeNo | not famylira ;) |
| 23:38.28 | ALoGeNo | familiar* |
| 23:38.56 | ALoGeNo | here you have *deb pakages not *.ipk :P |
| 23:39.18 | ALoGeNo | isnt qutopia or openmoko that is debian armel :) |
| 23:39.37 | ALoGeNo | but relax.. http://sumoudou.org/uni/vebu/yonggun.html |
| 23:39.41 | ALoGeNo | ;) |
| 23:39.52 | ALoGeNo | nice stuff from japan |
| 23:42.34 | marajin | ALoGeNo: kdrive is the standard embedded xserver basically. it's what most of theopenembbed build |
| 23:43.24 | ALoGeNo | oh nice.., but isnt in the debian repository i must find appart no? |
| 23:43.35 | ALoGeNo | you dunno i think.. :P |
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| 23:43.51 | marajin | hmm I dunno what debian uses, I just know all the angstrom/familiar builds tend to use it |
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| 23:44.08 | ALoGeNo | ah, oh.. your not joss, sorry.. |
| 23:44.22 | marajin | no I'm not joss :P |
| 23:44.24 | ALoGeNo | tnx marajin :) |
| 23:44.26 | marajin | joss has gone |
| 23:44.36 | ALoGeNo | yeah, i see :) np |
| 23:44.47 | ALoGeNo | ppl need to sleep sometimes ;) |
| 23:44.49 | marajin | ALoGeNo: IIRC, kdrive is an embedded port of xorg though |
| 23:45.41 | ALoGeNo | wow.. amazing.. that is i just need ;) |
| 23:46.16 | ALoGeNo | but i cant find that in the repo.. let me see in the japanese page :) |
| 23:47.00 | ALoGeNo | yes that can will be perfect no? |
| 23:47.10 | ALoGeNo | can you take a look? |
| 23:48.42 | Marex | kdrive isnt xorg port ... kdrive is xorg running on top of fbdev |
| 23:48.54 | Marex | slightly stripped Xfb |
| 23:54.07 | ALoGeNo | yea.. nothing 3d and stuff, but we can run kde or gnome it is? |
| 23:54.44 | ALoGeNo | that you mean? |
| 23:55.02 | Marex | no, I cant ... I dont have powerful enough hardware to run even bare xfb |
| 23:55.32 | ALoGeNo | what?, what is your pda? |
| 23:56.11 | Marex | palm {ld,t5,t3,tc,z71,tt} |
| 23:56.16 | Marex | I might have forgotten some |
| 23:56.48 | ALoGeNo | wow.. |
| 23:56.49 | ALoGeNo | Xd |
| 23:58.09 | ALoGeNo | i have my ooooold cassiopeia a11-a ce1.0, and i sold my ipaq3600 and hp1940 and buy htc hermes and htc universal by ebay |
| 23:58.24 | ALoGeNo | sold or sale.. how is..? |
| 23:58.25 | ALoGeNo | :P |
| 23:58.33 | ALoGeNo | is ok sold? |
| 23:58.33 | marajin | hmm, I think my hermes just achieved usb 3g modem status :p |
| 23:58.37 | Marex | yea |
| 23:58.48 | ALoGeNo | tnx alot :) |
| 23:59.07 | Marex | anyway, I have strong bond to those devices so I wont sell them ever ... |
| 23:59.33 | ALoGeNo | i hate 3g and gprs stuff.. :( here in my country that is very spensive.. only for richman |
