| 00:15.26 | marajin | ali1234: heh, you make a fair point about the screen res. Even at 1024x600 you're pushing it.. you generally got the width ok but there's not a lot of content gets on screen at once |
| 00:16.28 | marajin | CPU.. well this thing is a 600mhz cpu, though it's admittedly a stealy rather than an arm |
| 00:17.07 | marajin | but hey, it's pretty spritely under linux and combined with the GPU and some decent RAM it can do vista aero as long as you don't get exciteable... |
| 00:17.24 | marajin | (plus I've just worked out what clockgen to use and now it's up to 750 and benchmarking so.. heh |
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| 00:17.46 | marajin | I seem to have nabbed about 10% higher performance =) |
| 00:18.43 | marajin | (scratch that, I've actually clocked it to 760.. ah well it works and is stable so WTH) |
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| 01:16.36 | SanMehat | re: |
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| 03:20.20 | marajin | 'lo SanMehat |
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| 08:33.02 | BabelO_ | hi |
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| 14:06.02 | marajin | allo allo allo |
| 14:07.49 | tetsuo\0 | hi hi hi |
| 14:26.29 | dcordes | marajin: merhaba |
| 14:26.40 | dcordes | what's upE |
| 14:29.09 | dcordes | tmzt__: you around? |
| 14:31.33 | dcordes | do we know how to turn off kaiser modem? |
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| 14:45.16 | Raketemensch | a rock will work |
| 14:47.21 | dcordes | Raketemensch: go try |
| 14:47.35 | Raketemensch | wadners off looking for a pointy one |
| 14:48.13 | dcordes | lol |
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| 14:55.34 | tmzt__ | I am, hold on |
| 14:56.38 | tmzt__ | ok |
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| 15:01.29 | tmzt__ | dcordes: hey |
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| 15:19.32 | Raketemensch | oh scheisse |
| 15:19.45 | Raketemensch | poked an eye out with the pointy rock and has to go to the emergency room |
| 15:19.46 | Raketemensch | bbl |
| 15:35.22 | dcordes | tmzt__: had to leave before you arrived. I tried making the AT device node manually in fso, didn't work |
| 15:35.40 | dcordes | I had the same freeze when I ran minicom and cat on the device node |
| 15:38.00 | dcordes | major and minor are definetly correct |
| 15:40.19 | tmzt__ | are you using the same zImage? |
| 15:40.24 | dcordes | yes |
| 15:41.26 | dcordes | perhaps the fso-console-image accesses the SD more and creates errors that do not appear in the thinner console-image |
| 15:41.46 | tmzt__ | do you have top? |
| 15:41.58 | dcordes | yep |
| 15:42.13 | tmzt__ | what does it show for the top processes? |
| 15:42.43 | dcordes | one minue, have to boot first |
| 15:43.23 | dcordes | I did also check with lsof | grep smd if something else accesses the node |
| 15:43.24 | dcordes | but nothing |
| 15:43.41 | dcordes | there is gsm mux daemon running in the background, it doesn't do anything |
| 15:43.59 | marajin | dcordes: Sorry, still playing with my UMPC, and the phone went, and someone at the door.... and yeah.. so sorry with slow reply :P |
| 15:44.09 | dcordes | all other programs in the rootfs would access ttyS0 anyway |
| 15:44.16 | dcordes | so this can't be the reason |
| 15:44.20 | marajin | but hmm, I'm just starting to see the point of programs like 'OneNote' now that I have it on a tablet style pc |
| 15:44.47 | dcordes | what does that program do? |
| 15:44.55 | marajin | erm |
| 15:45.00 | marajin | it's a kinda digital scrapbook. |
| 15:45.18 | dcordes | nice. to make quick nots I use the zaurus |
| 15:45.27 | dcordes | and nano |
| 15:45.35 | marajin | you can embed images/audio/video/screenshots/documents and then freeplace text in typed or drawn form |
| 15:45.35 | tmzt__ | can you stop that mux program? |
| 15:45.44 | marajin | and actually one click blog post it |
| 15:45.49 | dcordes | I did that once before I tried and access the node, did not change anything. |
| 15:46.06 | marajin | plus it'll transcribe the drawn text if it can and make the audio/video searchable |
| 15:46.15 | dcordes | do you use a blog? |
| 15:46.17 | marajin | (as in it attempts to speech recognize it) |
| 15:46.25 | marajin | actually no, but it's still a cute feature |
| 15:46.38 | marajin | I installed wordpress just to see if it worked :P |
| 15:47.00 | SanMehat | re: |
| 15:47.07 | marajin | 'lo SanMehat |
| 15:47.16 | SanMehat | hey marajin |
| 15:47.28 | marajin | how goes? |
| 15:47.34 | tmzt__ | why would it not work with the same zImage? |
| 15:47.41 | dcordes | odd isn't it |
| 15:47.43 | SanMehat | marajin: it goes well :) how about you? |
| 15:47.58 | marajin | Not bad, just still having fun with my new UMPC as I just mentioned to dcordes |
| 15:47.59 | tmzt__ | cat /proc/devices |grep smd |
| 15:48.18 | dcordes | tmzt__: that shows smd with the correct major |
| 15:48.27 | dcordes | the smd0 has that major |
| 15:48.32 | dcordes | which is created by udev |
| 15:48.39 | dcordes | and also I created it manually that way |
| 15:48.52 | tmzt__ | smd0 is supposed to be the at command interpreter? |
| 15:48.55 | marajin | and also being very silly and giving it a 20% overclock just because I can |
| 15:48.56 | marajin | heh |
| 15:48.58 | dcordes | tmzt__: yes |
| 15:49.22 | dcordes | _x86_ mobile computer plus overclock? |
| 15:49.27 | marajin | yep |
| 15:49.33 | dcordes | that's heavy |
| 15:49.36 | marajin | 600 -> 760 I managed |
| 15:49.45 | tmzt__ | have you tried sending /dev/urandom to /dev/smd1 (that's ppp?) |
| 15:49.59 | dcordes | will try |
| 15:50.12 | dcordes | booting _right_ rootfs ^^ |
| 15:50.39 | tmzt__ | hold on with that, that might be bad ] |
| 15:50.58 | dcordes | why |
| 15:51.05 | dcordes | it could kill the modem |
| 15:51.10 | tmzt__ | don't know what it would do to the msm |
| 15:51.14 | tmzt__ | probably not |
| 15:51.24 | dcordes | it segfaults here and now when you feed it funny stuff |
| 15:51.40 | dcordes | but it won't take permanent damage |
| 15:51.59 | dcordes | like bricking the arm9 rom or so, won't happen |
| 15:52.51 | dcordes | ok lsof doesn't show smd |
| 15:53.20 | dcordes | cat /proc/devices shows 253 smd as a char device |
| 15:53.31 | tmzt__ | yeah, it's just a core |
| 15:53.50 | tmzt__ | same as on the other image? |
| 15:53.51 | dcordes | /dev/smd0 is a special char device with 253/0 |
| 15:53.54 | dcordes | so that's alright |
| 15:54.03 | dcordes | yea same as on the console |
| 15:54.11 | dcordes | 'normal console' |
| 15:54.24 | tmzt__ | is frameworkd running? |
| 15:55.06 | dcordes | yea |
| 15:55.14 | dcordes | it autostarts |
| 15:55.22 | dcordes | just stopped it. try now? |
| 15:55.33 | dcordes | I will also stop muxd |
| 15:58.12 | dcordes | tmzt__: I tried running minicom and it didn't even show any output |
| 15:58.20 | dcordes | terminal froze immediately |
| 15:58.47 | dcordes | I can type stuff but not kill the process which accessed smd0 |
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| 16:00.56 | tmzt__ | did it get an oops? |
| 16:01.09 | dcordes | kernel oops? |
| 16:01.17 | tmzt__ | yes OOPS |
| 16:01.35 | tmzt__ | disable frameworkd and mux, basically make it as close to the console image |
| 16:01.51 | dcordes | I didn't see any but it can't be because the keyboard was operational and leds worked fine |
| 16:02.19 | dcordes | I could build a console-image and only include python and frameworkd |
| 16:02.25 | tmzt__ | OOPS is not panic |
| 16:02.33 | tmzt__ | it won't crash the kernel |
| 16:02.47 | dcordes | ok |
| 16:02.47 | tmzt__ | but you will be unable to do certain things, like kill the process |
| 16:02.57 | dcordes | I will need remote access or a way to change vts |
| 16:03.10 | dcordes | it looks like I can't kill it |
| 16:03.32 | dcordes | I doubt it would end if I would kill from a different vt or from remote host |
| 16:04.12 | tmzt__ | right, you can't kill it from anywhere in some cases |
| 16:04.33 | tmzt__ | the process that was reading/writing smd |
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| 16:08.41 | tmzt__ | can you do a dmesg -n 5 before trying again |
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| 16:09.37 | dcordes | ok |
| 16:12.30 | dcordes | tmzt__: ok did the dmesg -n, it didn't say anything. now run minicom? |
| 16:12.57 | tmzt__ | dmesg -n 5 |
| 16:13.05 | dcordes | sorry, did that |
| 16:13.34 | dcordes | in "dmesg" it shows a backtrace at the end |
| 16:13.52 | tmzt__ | what do you mean by backtrace? |
| 16:14.31 | dcordes | it is from gpsd |
| 16:14.59 | kiozen | lol, gpsd sucks :) |
| 16:15.30 | dcordes | tmzt__: I will upload the dmesg to ltg~ |
| 16:16.59 | dcordes | I altered framework settings to use gps device smd7 |
| 16:17.07 | tmzt__ | dmesg -n 5 should show an OOPS if it happens |
| 16:17.16 | tmzt__ | just try to access smd0 |
| 16:17.16 | dcordes | last time I tried to read from smd7 modem died |
| 16:17.19 | dcordes | that's it |
| 16:17.24 | tmzt__ | smd7 is gps? |
| 16:17.32 | dcordes | yea that's the problem I'm quite sure |
| 16:17.46 | dcordes | gpsd runs on bootup so the modem is brickd all the time in my fso after boot |
| 16:17.55 | tmzt__ | disable gpsd? |
| 16:17.59 | dcordes | yea |
| 16:19.49 | tmzt__ | fso should have its own gps support |
| 16:20.26 | dcordes | http://rafb.net/p/B6tVmX58.html |
| 16:21.53 | dcordes | g2g bbl |
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| 18:28.52 | marajin | 'lo Red_Lion |
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| 18:36.15 | marajin | dcordes: ? |
| 18:36.22 | dcordes | yoooooo |
| 18:36.35 | dcordes | 2 instances of me |
| 18:42.17 | dcordes | tmzt__: fixed! it was the gpsd |
| 18:42.36 | dcordes | is there a function in gpsd that scans for serial devices providing nmea?? |
| 18:43.39 | dcordes | ah lol I set it myself in /etc/defaults/ |
| 18:50.32 | marajin | dereferences a null dcordes. |
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| 20:58.52 | dwaradzyn | any news about beating dma issue on kaiser/polaris? |
| 21:03.26 | dcordes | dwaradzyn: herriojr wanted to take a look |
| 21:03.30 | dcordes | otherwise you must ask ginge |
| 21:04.18 | dwaradzyn | dcordes: ok |
| 21:06.38 | dcordes | tmzt__: did you create a new modem.py for your application? |
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| 21:07.01 | tmzt__ | I don't have any modem working, except the fake one |
| 21:07.16 | tmzt__ | I am just trying to test the user interface |
| 21:07.19 | dcordes | ah right got that twisted in my mind |
| 21:07.23 | dcordes | ok |
| 21:07.32 | dcordes | so does that work? |
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| 21:07.40 | dcordes | the user interface |
| 21:07.43 | tmzt__ | try #openmoko or #openmoko-cdevel |
| 21:10.41 | dwaradzyn | guys there are people willing to spend time to solve the sdcard issues on kaiser/polaris/friends, but we are too newbies to start the work |
| 21:11.25 | dwaradzyn | we need some introduction, few word about it, where is the code and so on |
| 21:11.52 | ali1234 | i can probably manage that... let me see if i have any logs that would be helpful first tho |
| 21:11.58 | dcordes | dwaradzyn: maybe some of your questions are being answered at http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt |
| 21:12.34 | dcordes | but it doesn't have the most recent code |
| 21:12.40 | dcordes | the htc-msm git that is |
| 21:13.08 | herriojr | no, he's referring to not knowing where the code is for the sdcard |
| 21:13.12 | herriojr | and probably not knowing the general structure of the drivers, etc. |
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| 21:14.05 | ali1234 | hmm logging was off |
| 21:14.08 | dwaradzyn | not an essay, just few words |
| 21:14.41 | dwaradzyn | kaiser-bootkit/README.txt stands that there is an issue, but no details |
| 21:15.01 | dcordes | well I cannot tell you much about the nature of the problem |
| 21:15.13 | dcordes | and that's why I haven't put detailed info in the readme because I don't know better |
| 21:15.22 | dcordes | you must ask ginge who ported the code |
| 21:15.27 | ali1234 | this is the code: http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/mmc/host/msm_sdcc.c;h=fcc592ca2314564e9fa988760de3516e9f45bc4a;hb=refs/heads/htc-msm |
| 21:15.57 | dcordes | dwaradzyn: basically, when you access large files the mmc code errors and kernel dies |
| 21:16.18 | dcordes | and iirc it is only on writes |
| 21:16.43 | ali1234 | what happens is that mmc card uses DMA and when the access is finished it is supposed to signal that back to the CPU via an interrupt |
| 21:16.48 | ali1234 | but sometimes it just never does |
| 21:16.54 | ali1234 | and nobody has a clue why |
| 21:17.04 | ali1234 | that to my knowledge is the current state of affairs |
| 21:17.14 | dcordes | I should put that in the readme |
| 21:17.50 | ali1234 | i would verify what i just said with ginge before you do that because i dont have the log of when i was talking to him about it, so it might be a bit inaccurate |
| 21:18.08 | dwaradzyn | ali1234: thanks for the info, i will try to make some tests and will come back with results/more question... |
| 21:18.17 | dcordes | that would explain why sometimes the mmc error is ERROR WAITING FOR DATAEND |
| 21:18.21 | dcordes | or timeout waiting |
| 21:18.27 | ali1234 | yes |
| 21:18.30 | dwaradzyn | dcordes: putting that in readme is very good idea |
| 21:19.17 | dwaradzyn | reboots to linux |
| 21:19.40 | dcordes | dwaradzyn: I'm looking forward to your/your guys' results. ginge said he even asked an it prof |
| 21:20.01 | dcordes | also the author of the base driver is clueless |
| 21:20.07 | ali1234 | an IT professor? |
| 21:20.29 | ali1234 | clueless as to why it doesnt work you mean, i hope :) |
| 21:20.37 | ali1234 | not just generally clueless :) |
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| 21:20.47 | dcordes | I hope that too ^^ |
| 21:21.31 | ali1234 | the problem is it works on the google test hardware but not on kaiser... so it's probably a slight difference in how the hardware works or something like that |
| 21:22.30 | dcordes | yea maybe the reason is a peculiar msm7200 hardware specific design problem that we will never get around without docs |
| 21:23.06 | dcordes | I wonder if wince code could give some clues |
| 21:23.25 | ali1234 | perhaps... if you spent 10 years reverse engineering it |
| 21:23.44 | ali1234 | (or if you got 10 guys to spend 1 year each) |
| 21:23.56 | dcordes | :) |
| 21:24.14 | ali1234 | i dont have a kaiser anyway so... |
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| 21:24.20 | dcordes | it has no modules right? |
| 21:24.23 | dcordes | the wince kernel |
| 21:24.47 | ali1234 | it has drivers if that's what you mean |
| 21:25.08 | dcordes | in single files? |
| 21:25.19 | ali1234 | yes some, but i dont know for which hardware or how low level they are |
| 21:27.18 | ali1234 | i just remember having to install updated drivers to make things work properly. it was quite a long time ago though |
| 21:27.42 | ali1234 | a very old version of windows ce from when it was still called that |
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| 21:38.16 | tmzt | dcordes: I missed that |
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| 22:01.46 | herriojr | I know it's a longshot, but have you asked htc for docs? |
| 22:21.16 | dcordes_ | not me |
| 22:21.50 | dcordes_ | I have seen somebody from htcclassaction posting his corespondence with them about asking for docs |
| 22:22.00 | dcordes_ | they were not responsible or so |
| 22:22.03 | dcordes_ | usual answer |
| 22:22.21 | dcordes_ | tmzt: sorry what did you miss? |
| 22:23.39 | ali1234 | what docs did he ask for? i mean there's a big difference between demanding everything with no strings, and asking if they could just give a hint why this particular thing is not working... |
| 22:24.19 | dcordes_ | I think he asked for "docs" :) |
| 22:24.25 | dcordes_ | nonspecific |
| 22:24.29 | ali1234 | well that's the problem then :) |
| 22:26.41 | ali1234 | emailing them from joe_public@htcclassaction.com is saying "please give us the docs so we can prove you;re ripping us off" is not likely to have a good result |
| 22:27.03 | ali1234 | i hope joe_public is not a real mailbox on their website ... |
| 22:27.06 | dcordes_ | it was more like guys come on we want to play quake |
| 22:27.11 | dcordes_ | we need 3d |
| 22:29.20 | ali1234 | if you email them and say "this is what we have done so far, we just need a tiny bit of help to make it work 100%, and we are willing to sign an NDA" then assuming it gets to the right person, i would say you have a good chance of success. stranger things have happened. but it would help to have somebody with contacts at HTC to send the initial request |
| 22:29.51 | dcordes_ | assuming it gets to the right person |
| 22:29.53 | dcordes_ | that's the point |
| 22:30.06 | ali1234 | you would be suprised how easy that can be sometimes though |
| 22:30.25 | dcordes_ | do you have experience with such inquiries? |
| 22:31.44 | ali1234 | not personally making them however i have been on a project that was offered some limited small help by the vendor. they would not give us everything we wanted, but we wanted basically "everything" |
| 22:32.02 | ali1234 | but the key was we had a person who spoke chinese and was able to make ontact with the "right" person |
| 22:32.21 | ali1234 | i dont know how they did it but they did |
| 22:32.48 | dcordes_ | I know somebody who speaks chinese |
| 22:33.23 | dcordes_ | but I know nobody with htc contacts |
| 22:34.03 | ali1234 | i dont know if this person already had contacts, or was just able to make contact more easily by virtue of not being a foreigner |
| 22:37.31 | ali1234 | also i think the sd controller is part of the msm so you probably need to contact qualcomm... and i dont even know where they are based |
| 22:37.39 | Raketemensch | well, of course they will be more accepting of requests from chinese speakers |
| 22:37.46 | Raketemensch | i mean, there aren't very many of them, right? |
| 22:38.43 | ali1234 | well... the more levels of the heirarchy you must go through, the less likely to be successful. and you need to make your case properly, that's easier for a native speaker |
| 22:39.24 | tetsuo\0 | you can apply for a job in HTC and steal the docs! |
| 22:39.50 | dwaradzyn | tetsuo\0: briliant idea :) |
| 22:40.27 | dcordes_ | yea |
| 22:40.52 | dcordes_ | or you sneak in |
| 22:41.07 | tetsuo\0 | that too |
| 22:41.20 | tetsuo\0 | some employee at Microsoft must have the specs too I imagine |
| 22:41.50 | ali1234 | i doubt it |
| 22:41.55 | tetsuo\0 | it's a matter of finding him and kidnap him |
| 22:42.38 | dcordes_ | that's even nicer |
| 22:42.56 | dcordes_ | or you can drug him up |
| 22:43.09 | dcordes_ | so he will obey |
| 22:43.21 | dcordes_ | and join the good side |
| 22:43.54 | tetsuo\0 | yes! the good side! if you have to drug him it's obviously the good side! |
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| 23:02.29 | tmzt | does google stuff help on 3d, or does that wait for tmobile usa to relase? |
| 23:03.22 | tmzt | dcordes: was not sure if you were talking to me earlier when I got logged out |
| 23:14.30 | dcordes_ | tmzt: no I got your reference to the moko channels |
| 23:14.36 | dcordes_ | I already talked to mickeyl about it |
| 23:15.47 | dcordes_ | he provided some hints, said we should base on the freescale neptune because it also uses several 'static' devices for modem communication |
| 23:15.57 | dcordes_ | freescale neptune modem type |
| 23:16.00 | dcordes_ | in the frameworkd |
| 23:19.13 | dcordes_ | and stated they might look at msm around october or so |
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| 23:50.12 | marajin | yo |
| 23:50.31 | marajin | ali1234: I know for a fact that MS guys have the specs |
| 23:50.38 | dcordes_ | how |
| 23:50.50 | marajin | cause I know one of the guys in MS's win mobile division |
| 23:51.45 | marajin | he was a coder, he's kinda mid management now |
| 23:51.48 | dcordes_ | can you bribe him? |
| 23:51.56 | marajin | I tried but he wouldn't tell me much |
| 23:52.08 | dcordes_ | so |
| 23:52.12 | dcordes_ | you said too much my friend |
| 23:52.26 | dcordes_ | there are people present who are eager to kidnap ms employees |
| 23:52.34 | marajin | haha :P |
| 23:52.59 | marajin | Leave the poor bugger alone, if he doesn't wanna risk his job, fair enough |
| 23:56.16 | marajin | but they have everything because they test new releases of WM on HTC devices |
| 23:57.45 | dcordes_ | doesn't mean much, does it? |
| 23:58.04 | marajin | he admitted they have the specs to write drivers for the devices. |
| 23:58.13 | dcordes_ | oh |
| 23:58.28 | marajin | WM7 has a changed driver archetecture or something |
| 23:58.59 | marajin | and is aimed at devices baselined around the kaiser and probably more in the diamond/raphael spec |
| 23:59.31 | marajin | he did tell me some guys in the department had played with the kaiser though he hasn't touched it personally |