IRC log for #htc-linux on 20080823

00:00.09tsdogsyou have an extended partition on 1 and a msdos/vfat partition on 5
00:00.13tsdogsthat's the problem
00:00.14herriojrrunning mkfs.vfat didn't help with the sd card problem
00:00.16tsdogsginge: :)
00:00.43herriojrwhen I connect it to my computer, it doesn't say that :)
00:00.54tsdogsherriojr: ok, but doing mkfs.vfat on partition 1 won't fix it
00:01.08tsdogshave you tryed with fdisk ?
00:01.25herriojrI'll try that
00:01.27tsdogsu using win or linux
00:01.28tsdogs?
00:01.41herriojrubuntu on vmware
00:01.44tsdogslinux, ok stupid question :)
00:02.02herriojrboth is the real answer :)
00:02.02tsdogsso win is the native os?
00:02.19herriojryeah, I had to make it my native OS for driver reasons relating to what I do
00:02.19tsdogsjust check in the disk manager in windows.
00:02.42tsdogsherriojr: many of us do, at least at home I get to install what I want :)
00:04.26marajinginge: Could always glue the chairs to the floor instead.. much quicker?
00:04.51gingeand glue the coders to the chairs... might just work
00:05.08marajin"erm, yes, kryten could you just check that chair again, it is still bolted to the floor?" "yes sir" "with really long bolts that go deep, deep into the ground?" "yes sir" "excellent.. just checking"
00:05.42gingeheh
00:05.59herriojrit isn't showing up in disk management, but on vmware I get:
00:06.17marajinI dunno why people said season 8 was a let down, I thought it was excellent
00:06.38herriojrhttp://pastebin.ca/1182057
00:07.35tsdogsherriojr: you need to do fdisk -l /dev/sdb
00:08.11herriojrso how do I completely wipe it?
00:08.21tsdogsfdisk /dev/sdb
00:08.42tsdogsthen hit "d" and "5"
00:08.49tsdogsthen again "d"
00:09.05herriojrok, done
00:09.09tsdogsdo a "p" and it should be empty
00:09.20herriojryup, it is
00:09.32tsdogsthen n 1 p enter enter
00:09.55herriojrwhen I exit and did a fdisk -l /dev/sdb again, it shows both partitions again
00:10.09tsdogscause you did not save the changes :)
00:10.21herriojrok :)
00:10.35herriojrI learn a lot of new things everyday in this channel :)
00:11.04tsdogsso repeat the commands
00:11.12herriojralready did :)
00:11.27tsdogsok now if you do  a "p" you should have a Linux partition
00:11.57tsdogsnow hit "t" (not sure if it asks for the partition type when there's one only)
00:12.14herriojrthere was no place for me to hit "1"
00:12.21herriojrI'm assuming n p 2 ?
00:12.25tsdogshmm, maybe I inverted
00:12.37herriojrthe only available cylinders are 2-32524
00:12.39tsdogsno it must be partition number 1
00:12.51tsdogsno delete it the with "d"
00:12.52herriojrit says out of range when I try
00:13.12tsdogsnow hit "n" it should ask for the partition type
00:13.50tsdogsor maybe the partition number I'm not sure ...
00:14.15herriojrok, I figured it out
00:14.27tsdogsok the enter was to confirm the size
00:14.38herriojryup, I'm at the place where it shows /dev/sdb1
00:14.43tsdogsnow with p you should get a linux partition starting at 1
00:14.58herriojrhow do I save it?
00:15.01tsdogsok now hit "t"
00:15.11herriojrok
00:15.21tsdogsit asks for partition number?
00:15.41herriojrt asks for a hex code
00:15.45herriojrwhich I'm looking up
00:15.59tsdogsif not hit "b"
00:16.22herriojrwhat system ID do I set it to?
00:16.27tsdogsW95 FAT32
00:16.29tsdogs"b"
00:16.34herriojroh, that's what you meant by b :)
00:16.47herriojrok, that's done
00:17.04tsdogsnow hit "w"
00:17.05herriojrm
00:17.43herriojrok, it shows up properly now
00:17.48herriojrcool, thanks
00:18.07tsdogsperfect, now mkfs.msdos (or vfat as you prefer) /dev/sdb1
00:18.45tsdogsthen it should mount in gnome (I think)
00:18.57herriojryeah, it did
00:18.58tsdogsjust hit sync before removing the card if needed
00:19.12herriojror unmount it you mean?
00:19.23tsdogswell run sync anyway to be sure
00:19.41herriojrok
00:19.42tsdogswell no it needs to be flushed, but an umount would do it anyway :)
00:20.02herriojroops, forgot to run mkfs on it
00:23.57tsdogsonce done put original files in the partition and umount it. and try in the phone :)
00:29.57herriojrhttp://pastebin.ca/1182071
00:30.29herriojrI couldn't set the start to cylinder 1
00:30.33herriojronly cylinder 2
00:31.28herriojrbut I'm sure that's fine since it was the first one I could start at :)
00:32.25tsdogsit's strange but not a problem.
00:32.35tsdogsdid you run mkfs.msdos ?
00:32.52herriojrI couldn't get it to connect to vmware again, but instead had windows format it
00:33.03herriojrI'll do it all over again if I can get it to connect
00:34.22tsdogswell partition table should be ok, now it only seems strange it cannot mount it anymore, you formatted with FAT in win right?
00:34.50herriojrI think the default was FAT32
00:35.28tsdogsok, [    2.094583] FAT: IO charset iso8859-1 not found is kind of strange for me, never seen it.
00:35.34herriojryeah, the default was FAT32, I guess I should set it to FAT
00:35.47tsdogsno FAT32 is ok
00:36.02tsdogschecking what I have...
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00:36.55tsdogsvfat should be used...
00:37.07tsdogsso do a mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1
00:37.10herriojrok
00:37.19herriojrlemme see if vmware will connect at all anymore
00:37.22tsdogsthen copy the files, and change msdos with vfat
00:37.26herriojrit's really starting to be flaky :)
00:37.49tsdogsmine starts at cylinder 1 though
00:38.13tsdogsI wonder if it's something windows related...
00:38.40herriojrprobably :)
00:38.49tsdogsas a last try u could use only windows disk manager to do it.
00:39.25tsdogsdelete the partition and recreate a new one, the format it FAT32 and copy the files
00:41.21herriojrlast try before I run off to catch my train
00:41.21tsdogs:)
00:41.41tsdogswaiting to go to bed... ;)
00:41.48herriojrsame charset problem
00:41.56herriojrI'll look into it more tomorrow at home
00:42.05herriojrthanks for all the help
00:42.26tsdogsu welcome, night (or day :)
00:43.59marajinginge: hmm  how'd it go with the audibooks? just realised I'd forgot to move some of them into /store heh
00:46.38gingeI got a few. was going to ask you when is good... not now tho my tinternet is torrernting
00:47.53marajinginge: heh the sum total for the prattchet alone is now 9 gigs
00:48.01gingeO.o
00:48.24marajinginge: well, 35 discworld books, 4 bromeliad, strata and good omens too.. it mounts up
00:49.01marajini may try jointing those files though, 100+ files for a single book is a bit ridiculous
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02:24.04marajinginge: Did anyone boot the new android on the kaiser yet btw?
02:24.16gingeme, once
02:24.42marajinonce?
02:24.42marajinheh
02:24.50marajinyou booted from SD and it froze?
02:28.44gingeyeah
02:29.43marajinfair enough. I get the impression you're f'knackered and pissed off with work somehow?
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03:28.38ani1anybody know of a way to get a CDMA version of android for the HTC Titan? i can boot it from SD but its gsm :(
03:32.11marajinani1: i think you're probably actually booting a cdma version
03:33.50marajinani1: basically as far as i know the only SD release for android we have is for the vogue which is CDMA
03:33.51ani1the options are gsm like making phone calls fail
03:34.01ani1and sms/web fails
03:34.16marajinyes but more likely that's your kernel than android
03:34.32marajinYou'd have to speak to the people working on the titan port
04:49.31tmzt_mp900ctitan and vogue are pretty similar, aren't they?
04:49.58marajintmzt_mp900c: more or less under the hood yep.
04:50.05marajini think they're both msm7500
04:51.05tmzt_mp900cit works on vogue and not titan, is that dzo hasn't ported it yet?
04:51.52tmzt_mp900chas he got the new library for 0.9?
04:52.01marajinno idea
04:52.11marajini don't think dzo's finished the ril yet for 0.9
04:52.27tmzt_mp900cso calls don't work on vogue either?
04:52.42marajinnot on the 0.9 version
04:53.14tmzt_mp900cok
04:53.46tmzt_mp900cmissed the part he thought he was booting a gsm version, got to read back more before posting
04:53.52marajinhaha
04:53.54marajinyeah
04:54.18tmzt_mp900cbe nice to get titan keyboard/wifi working though
04:54.38marajini geuss
04:54.41marajinguess
04:54.45marajinbut the titan keyboard is odd :P
04:55.03tmzt_mp900ccan't get the debian version of xfbdev to build, going to have to pull the configs from oe/angstrom
04:55.28tmzt_mp900ccan't figure out how to tell it not to  check for/use mesa/gl
05:03.25tmzt_mp900ceverything on kaiser is waiting for dma stuff?
05:05.24marajintmzt_mp900c: more or less
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09:30.24Red_Lion:(
09:45.49exco:-D
09:46.48Red_Lion:P
09:47.21excoO:-)
09:48.36Red_Lion-_-
09:48.38Red_Lion:)
09:49.27exco=-O
09:49.31Red_Lionexco, you are to don't know how kill time? :)
09:49.59excono more youtube, flickr, facebook?
09:50.50Red_Lionexco, don't like this
09:51.44excoactually I have a lot of stuff to do ... I just don't want to start
09:55.15Red_Lion:) it's normal.
09:55.53Red_Lionwork on bbisp system but it's so lazy... :)
09:56.55excowell it's the weekend so there's an excuse for not doing the things needed to be done somewhen
10:00.22Red_Lionexco, you are lucky... i don't have weekends :(
10:02.48excoeverybody makes his own choices ;-)
10:04.42Red_Lionexco, yes, you are right :)
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10:38.26tsdogspaulproteus: ping
10:39.29tsdogspaulproteus: just in case you read this: http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git "Internal server error" :(
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13:42.09dcordesmorning
13:46.01dcordesthe phone will not work ootb with the msm7200 with frameworkd (in openmoko fso)
13:50.26dcordesthat is because the openmoko phone uses only one serial channel to transport data between the modem and system
13:50.57dcordesthere is a thing called muxd that realizes transport under that condition
13:51.19dcordesin order to get msm7200 etc working, we must make a new modem type. somebody good in python?
13:51.47ali1234yeah im pretty good in python. what do you need?
13:52.14dcordeswhat I said, a new modem type in the new openmoko freesmartphone.org based phone daemon
13:52.18dcordes"frameworkd"
13:52.31ali1234and that's written in python?
13:52.35dcordesI think so
13:52.50dcordesyou got OE?
13:53.01ali1234o
13:53.02ali1234no
13:54.04dcordeshttp://git.freesmartphone.org/
13:54.21dcordesframework.git must be the frameworkd
13:54.33dcordesand gsm0710muxd.git is the mux thing
13:55.28dcordesmarajin: can you try to communicate with smd0 and smd1 in one of your fso images?
13:55.51dcordesmarajin: because that doesn't work for me. it froze when I did this and I can't figure out why
13:56.11dcordesmarajin: same kernel in openmoko-image and it works
13:57.54marajin'lo dcordes
13:57.57marajinnice timing
13:58.06marajinjust woke up
13:58.22dcordesali1234: the code for the moko modem (at least a part of it) is located in framework.git/framework/subsytems/ogsmd
13:58.28dcordesheh, me just semi awake
13:58.59dcordesali1234: theres the modems folder which has code for the specific modems
13:59.07dcordesti calypso is the moko
13:59.22ali1234so how dos the msm work then?
13:59.50dcordesali1234: I was told the msm approach has to be similar as the one used for open ezx phones (not sure which of the present modems that is, if any)
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14:00.37dcordeslol
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14:02.11marajinicecream... breakfast of champions
14:02.12marajinheh
14:02.29dcordesali1234: the msm has lots of channels for the different purposes. for example, unlike on the moko where they pump gprs data and at commands through one serial channel, we have got a device node smd0 which is exlcusively for AT, and then there is smd1 where gprs data goes through, which is used by pppd e.g.
14:02.29ali1234http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/freescale_neptune/modem.py;h=36c30b1e4cd84e3a53c0645714fe9404aaf42914;hb=HEAD
14:02.42ali1234so is it like the link i just linked?
14:02.47dcordeslemme se
14:04.19dcordesali1234: l 31 ff?
14:04.26dcordesthat table
14:04.42ali1234yeah i guess
14:04.49dcordesif those devices are presented by the ezx hardware, it is the same approach
14:05.12ali1234well thats what it says
14:05.17dcordesif they are provided by the *muxd.py thing, it isn't
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14:05.30dcordesI just wonder because the device names have mux
14:05.40ali1234that's something else completely
14:06.31dcordesI'm not sure about it, all what I was told by the framework dev is that ezx must be similar to what I want to do
14:06.47dcordesbut he also said we don't want mux because hardware does that
14:06.52dcordesor rather the modem software
14:07.35ali1234well it looks wuite simple
14:08.15dcordesnot to me :)
14:08.51ali1234so what device nodes do you have?
14:08.55ali1234and what do they do?
14:09.01dcordes/dev/smd0 AT
14:09.10dcordes/dev/smd1 GPRS data
14:09.22dcordes/dev/smd7 GPS nmea data
14:09.33ali1234what is GPS nmea?
14:09.52dcordesmsm7x0xx gps one
14:10.52ali1234is that all?
14:10.57dcordeshttp://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-msm/kaiser-smd.c;h=dbb56879a6bd2136ee84bf6e47b3f29ef2700161;hb=refs/heads/htc-msm line 387 following
14:11.24ali1234so 5 channels
14:11.24dcordesthose 3 are all when it comes to what we know
14:11.35dcordesthere are 4 more mystery channels
14:11.41dcordeswe don't know the function of
14:12.05dcordesthe htc-msm code lists two only
14:12.10dcordesthe other 2 are not in yet
14:16.05dcordesali1234: gprs works like this: we send an init AT command to the modeo through /dev/smd0, then pppd is ran on /dev/smd1
14:16.39dcordesginge provides a script to do that where you can see how it works http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/ppp.notsh
14:19.13ali1234well frameworkd does not handle GPS or GPRS
14:19.25ali1234which leaves you with 1 channel that it can actually use
14:19.33dcordesno gprs?
14:19.44ali1234it only does gsm
14:19.56dcordesok
14:20.09ali1234actually it handles gps
14:20.19ali1234but you just specify the serial device in the config filw
14:20.24dcordesdo you think it would be easy to make a modem code that only does the at magic?
14:20.30dcordesusing /dev/smd0
14:21.25ali1234set modem type "singleline"
14:21.35ali1234then edit http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=framework.git;a=blob;f=framework/subsystems/ogsmd/modems/singleline/modem.py;h=5db5f3c16e71ff3b4ce07505fe5bad571954f6f5;hb=HEAD
14:21.47ali1234and change the device (at last line) to /dev/smd0
14:21.51dcordesright, singleline is what mickey told me
14:22.05dcordesok that makes sense
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14:22.28dcordesginge: morning
14:22.37gingemorning. how goes?
14:23.32marajin'lo meester ginge
14:24.12dcordesginge: messing with freesmartphone.org
14:24.19gingedid anyone do anything cool while my head was buried in work?
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14:24.34dcordespulls fraework.git
14:25.03gingewhats that all about then?
14:25.34gingethe wiki is vague
14:25.53dcordesgit clone git://git.freesmartphone.org/framework.git
14:26.18dcordesginge: it's about using the phone's hardware in the new python based moko platform
14:26.33dcordesaka freesmartphone.org
14:26.35gingesounds interesting
14:26.46gingedid you manage to boot X yet?
14:26.46dcordesit is
14:26.50dcordesno
14:27.03gingehmm. I got it working once and now I cant get itt o boot again.
14:27.06dcordesginge: I set the size you told me and I get the same fsckup
14:27.27gingedid you comment out panning initialisation too?
14:27.39dcordesi.e. Xfbdev displays half/only draws black screen with a white underscore
14:27.52dcordesmaybe that is because I don't have the panning disabled
14:27.53dcordesno
14:27.56gingeahh, yeah panning
14:28.10gingeI had the half thing when I was messing with panning
14:28.26dcordesgreat so I know what's wrong
14:29.00gingemaybe. I can't even get gizard to to load in haret :/
14:29.03dcordescould you make a diff wof the board and framebuffer?
14:29.12gingeyeah, one sec
14:29.15dcordesginge: try the kgreegr image
14:29.21gingelink?
14:29.23dcordesit has Xfbdev and boots fine
14:29.30dcordesfrom sd
14:29.55dcordeshttp://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/tgreer-special-sd-rootfs.tar.gz
14:29.59gingecheers
14:30.24dcordesit should worf off sd
14:30.26dcordeswork
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14:39.15gingehttp://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-msm_fb
14:39.45gingedidn't bother with the platform data c as its only got 1 think changed
14:40.24dcordesok I've got to go
14:40.25dcordeslater
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15:06.16SanMehathalo
15:12.18gingehi SanMehat
15:12.29SanMehathey ginge, how are you doing?
15:12.40gingewinning, slowly ;)
15:12.56gingeyourself?
15:12.58SanMehatnice :)
15:13.15SanMehatjust waking up with my first cup of coffee
15:13.32gingeahh lazy saturdays :)
15:18.17SanMehatfunny, thats what my fiance calls them too :)
15:18.28SanMehathows your project going?
15:18.37gingewhich one?
15:18.57SanMehatwhichever one involves htc :)
15:19.07SanMehatyou're doing msm stuff right?
15:19.14gingeheh. well I was just looking at the sd driver again
15:19.30gingesee if I could get to the bottom of the dma problem
15:20.02SanMehatyeah thats wierd
15:20.10SanMehatare you sure you're using the correct datamover channel?
15:20.20SanMehatfor your platform?
15:21.05SanMehatit defaults to 8 but AMSS can re-assign it if they want to since by default its shared with some other junk
15:21.06gingeyeah, pretty sure. We can trsansfer plenty of data back and forth but occasionally we get a timeout waiting for dataend,generally under high load, say starting X
15:21.12SanMehatoh great
15:21.18SanMehaton writes or reads?
15:21.44gingealways writes from what i can see. I applied your patch that changes the dataend flag but still no joy
15:21.55SanMehatthats so damned wierd
15:22.06gingeI dont know if anyone mentioned, but we have to put a delay in the msmsdcc_irq in order for it to even work
15:22.22SanMehatwha?
15:22.33SanMehatotherwise what happens?
15:22.42gingeCRC and then timeouts
15:22.58SanMehathmm.
15:23.07SanMehathmmm.
15:23.12gingeyeah
15:23.14SanMehathmmmm.
15:23.34SanMehatdata crc or command crc?
15:23.40gingeso I was just looking into polling the status register in vic to see if I can hack it to work
15:23.45gingefirst one, then the other
15:23.46SanMehatand data or command timeout?
15:23.54gingecommand timeout
15:24.24SanMehathmm... it sounds like your controller is acting a bit different from 7501A
15:24.29gingeI don't know if it i normal, but we get command timeouts sending an mmc command. cant remember which now, 5 maybe?
15:24.42gingeon init that is
15:24.43SanMehatyou'll get some timeouts during initialization
15:24.47SanMehatyeah that is fine.
15:24.55gingeyeah it just resends, I figured it was ok
15:25.09SanMehatyeah its pinging the card to see if its an SDIO device
15:25.31gingeok.
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15:30.03gingeI assume the irq should trigger after the dma is completed
15:34.25SanMehatwhich irq?
15:35.31gingemsmsdcc_irq handler only handles one irq
15:35.34SanMehatwell i'm not using MMC irqs to end a DMA transaction.. I use the datamover irq to do it and then wait on DATAEND/DATABLKEND
15:36.37gingeyeah, but we get the datamover irq before dataend and it timesout on polling for dataend
15:38.38gingeand in the irq handler when it polls the mmc status registers, it is getting confused and erroring out
15:39.03SanMehatyeah the status register is really fragile for some reason
15:39.28gingeit would seem so. I tried polling it and it just locked the device
15:40.37gingewhich is why I am looking at the vic status registers. If I can work out roughly when the irq trigger falls, it might be a better way for us to weait for the correct time to do the ir handling
15:41.29gingeat the moment all that works for us is rising triggering on the irq, so it seems to happen too early in the datamover cycle. If I can catch it when it falls, it might just work
15:44.03gingebrb
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16:00.45SanMehati'm not sure that thats correct
16:00.49SanMehathang on
16:00.56SanMehati'll see if i can dig up my notes
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16:08.47marajinSanMehat: how's the btie wound btw?
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16:13.03eagle_hawkhello everybody
16:13.24eagle_hawkI need help regarding linux setup for himalya
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16:16.03eagle_hawkwould appreciate anyone helping me out with himalaya setup
16:17.29excohttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaLinuxBooting
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16:30.26paulproteustsdogs, It's just a problem with gitweb!
16:30.27paulproteusBut thanks for letting me know.  I'll look into it.
16:31.09tsdogspaulproteus: I thought so, but I wanted to check the activity, so it was easyer with the web interface :)
16:31.22paulproteusYes (-:
16:35.58dcordes< ginge> always writes from what i can see.  <- I got dma problems using mplayer to play video.
16:36.31gingedoesnt mean there wasnt a write
16:40.25dcordestmp or so?
16:41.34SanMehatmarajin: its better thanks, i had to get shots but i'm allright
16:42.17marajinaww :( no rabies crazed sanmehat for us?
16:45.00eagle_hawki am stuck in himalaya boot at portmap deamon...pls help anybody
16:48.34eagle_hawkguys help me with haret start should I start the "listen network connections" in haret and then click run script??????
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17:03.11ali1234~seen wasup
17:03.13aptwasup <n=Tech@208.47.103.106> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 2d 20h 8m 3s ago, saying: 'ginge: do you remember which ones wordked?'.
17:05.12gingeback later. Cya!
17:05.25SanMehatmarajin: hahaha no i'm fit as a fiddle :)
17:05.49marajinsee ya ginge
17:06.03marajinSanMehat: What a pity, and I was looking forward to some quality entertainment too :(
17:06.32SanMehatmarajin: think on it this way.. if i'm crazed and foaming at the mouth, I can't be fixing msm driver bugs now can I? :)
17:07.07marajinSanMehat: Who knows? Maybe it'll make you crazy enough that the hardware bugs and design make more sense to you
17:07.55SanMehatlol
17:11.03marajinYou laugh but deep down you know that's just weird enough that it might be true ;)
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17:17.55SanMehatyeah... I've had stranger things happen to me :)
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20:48.54dcordes20is there a way to format sd in windows?
20:49.03dcordes20with ext3 fs
20:50.24ali1234dont think so
20:50.51ali1234unless you count running linux in vmware
20:51.37dcordes20ali1234: can it axx mmc controller hardware?
20:51.46dcordes20vmware linux in windows
20:52.05ali1234over usb it can
20:52.44dcordes20it's built in laptop controller.
20:53.02ali1234it still can be usb sometimes
20:53.22dcordes20good point
20:53.43dcordes20I'll google the laptop name + linux
20:55.07marajindcordes20: they're very often usb controllers tbh
20:55.15marajinand windows will tell you if it's on the USB bus anyway
20:55.44dcordes20how can I check hw manager?
20:56.03marajinusually "safely remove devices" pops up in the systray
20:56.17marajinand that'll tell you what's on the usb
20:59.08dcordes20on SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller
20:59.16Zooloocdcordes20: if you had an advanced partition manager like powerquest partition magic you could partition and also format with ex2/3 under windows
20:59.33dcordes20Zoolooc:  cool I need that
20:59.46Zooloochowever I just did that with gparted under linux
21:00.14dcordes20I have no linux computer available
21:00.30dcordes20can I evaluate the partition magic product?
21:00.54marajingparted broke my fat partition actually :(
21:01.09dcordes20gparted is very good
21:01.11dcordes20I also use it
21:01.21Zooloocdon't know, haven't used it for years, I think now they where bought  by symantec
21:01.23marajinit's good except when it gets stubborn about fat paritions
21:02.00dcordes20aah gparted is available for windows
21:02.38marajingtk is really buggy under windows tho'
21:03.23dcordes20the one that comes with pidgin usually worked flawlessly for me
21:04.54marajinhmm, well the one that used to come with pidgin when it was gaim was fuktup
21:05.11marajinit had redraw issues, it had z order issues, it had stability issues
21:05.17marajinand it looked like classic ass
21:07.38dcordes20:)
21:07.46dcordes20I cannnot find gparted for windows
21:08.11ali1234gparted is only a partition editor anyway
21:08.22dcordes20what I have seen is livecds
21:09.30dcordes20partition magic is only for xp I'm on vista lol
21:10.04marajindude, A) why ARE you stuck with only windows and B) ... livecd IS an obvious choice no?
21:12.14dcordes20no media
21:12.16dcordes20for livecd
21:12.33dcordes20I will download vmware kit with sample linux image and jzust try
21:15.15marajinwell why nt
21:16.52dcordes20can I boot iso file with vmware player?
21:17.31marajindude would ya just use virtualPC since it's free?
21:18.45dcordes20hm free suxx0rs I like vista
21:19.36marajinya tryna master sarcasm again?
21:21.53dcordes20no
21:22.20dcordes20I won't try until I have seen enough british tv shows
21:22.25marajinhah
21:22.39marajinoh I dunno, you seem to be getting a grip of it sometimes
21:22.48dcordes20I have seen one the other week on youtube
21:23.08marajinwhich one was that?
21:24.29dcordes20do you remember ginge posting a video with a guy that performs odd live music?
21:24.55marajinthe guy out of IT Crowd yeah
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21:25.08dcordes20he also performs in tv show
21:25.31marajinyeah, I know, IT Crowd _is_ a TV show :P
21:25.53dcordes20ah right
21:25.58dcordes20so that's the show I've seen
21:26.04dcordes20I found it strange
21:26.20dcordes20but also loled
21:26.28marajinit was about two guys and their female boss who work in the IT department of a big company?
21:26.36dcordes20no.
21:27.18ali1234could have been dark place or snuff box, or possible the boosh
21:27.28dcordes20snuff box!
21:27.36marajinit'll be .. ah I would have guessed boosh
21:27.56ali1234yeah that show was very very weird
21:27.56marajinyou should try IT crowd you might get on a bit better with that
21:28.16marajinali1234: Did you ever see "Attention Scum!" ?
21:28.22ali1234yes
21:28.36marajinI can't help but muahaha at that
21:28.39marajin"Thus, I win!"
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21:33.00marajindcordes20: Anyway, try IT crowd, maybe that'll work for you since half the humour is geek humour
21:34.47NAiLIT crowd was cool
21:36.58marajinNAiL: Season 2 was absolutely fantastic. Kinda hoping they bother to do season 3
21:40.08NAiLyeah, same here
21:44.22marajinhmm quick google reveals that season 3 is confirmed
21:44.23marajinwoot
21:46.23NAiLcool :D
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22:29.03marajinhmm
22:29.12marajinwho's daeling with the polaris port?
22:48.59dcordespatoche_ Espenfjo
22:49.10dcordesmarajin: look in xda forum
22:50.14marajinEspenfjo is diamond ...
22:52.53dcordespolaris is premy
22:53.41dcordeshttp://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/polaris-bootkit/android_polaris_20080718.zip here is latest polaris stuff
22:54.41marajincoolio
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