| 00:00.01 | Marajin | ... is it a freephone tech support? ;) |
| 00:00.09 | ginge | yeah |
| 00:00.22 | Marajin | phone them again and see if you get a different guy and see if he's as much an arsehole |
| 00:00.30 | Marajin | and check if you're on 2nd line support |
| 00:00.53 | ginge | I did ask that, they don't have 1/2/3rd line support desk |
| 00:01.00 | Marajin | ... |
| 00:01.03 | Marajin | LIES |
| 00:01.41 | Marajin | seriously, it wouldn't happen. |
| 00:01.41 | Marajin | it's not sound business strategy |
| 00:01.54 | ginge | http://www.beforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=6490 |
| 00:02.00 | Marajin | I mean 1st = reads from a script, 2nd = May actually comprehend english, 3rd = Actualy knows things. |
| 00:02.13 | Marajin | ergo 1st = cheap, 2nd = nominal wage, 3rd = quite expensive |
| 00:02.33 | Marajin | they can't run on all 1st and wouldn't pay for all 3rds |
| 00:02.58 | ginge | its in Bulgaria. Pretty cheapol |
| 00:04.02 | Marajin | and evidentally all 1st line? ;P |
| 00:04.13 | Marajin | Did the guy strike you as actually having a clu? |
| 00:04.30 | ginge | guy=woman |
| 00:04.34 | ginge | and no |
| 00:04.38 | Marajin | well, Given that she just said you're too far from the exchange at a figure which is at least half the truth |
| 00:04.46 | ginge | second call=woman |
| 00:04.52 | ginge | third call=woman |
| 00:05.15 | Marajin | YOu didn't indecently proposition them did you? ;) |
| 00:05.21 | ginge | did you see that graph? |
| 00:05.31 | ginge | Marajin: only after I got support ;) |
| 00:05.48 | Marajin | yeah, it's kind of meaningless, they even point out it's rather assumptious |
| 00:06.24 | ginge | well thats prett much bang on what I get |
| 00:07.22 | Marajin | then how do you account for me getting twice the upstream and like 3 times the downstream? :P |
| 00:07.35 | ginge | I have no idea |
| 00:07.40 | ginge | whats your Snd and attenuation? |
| 00:07.48 | ginge | s/Snd/SnR/ |
| 00:08.34 | Marajin | 3db and er.. I actually dunno where'd you get your attenuation data from? |
| 00:09.09 | ginge | http://192.168.1.1/cgi/b/dsl/dt/?ce=1&be=0&l0=1&l1=0 |
| 00:10.02 | Marajin | Uptime:1 day, 4:21:06 |
| 00:10.02 | Marajin | Modulation:G.992.5 Annex M US 56 |
| 00:10.02 | Marajin | Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:1,979 / 13,817 |
| 00:10.02 | Marajin | Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [GB/GB]:7.80 / 12.70 |
| 00:10.02 | Marajin | Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]:13.0 / 18.5 |
| 00:10.04 | Marajin | Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:15.0 / 29.5 |
| 00:10.07 | Marajin | SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:3.0 / 5.0 |
| 00:10.09 | Marajin | Vendor ID (Local/Remote):TMMB / BDCM |
| 00:10.12 | Marajin | Loss of Framing (Local/Remote):10 / 0 |
| 00:10.14 | Marajin | Loss of Signal (Local/Remote):4 / 0 |
| 00:10.17 | Marajin | Loss of Power (Local/Remote):0 / 0 |
| 00:10.20 | Marajin | Loss of Link (Remote):0 |
| 00:10.22 | Marajin | Error Seconds (Local/Remote):80 / 0 |
| 00:10.24 | Marajin | FEC Errors (Up/Down):4,361 / 3,082,248 |
| 00:10.27 | Marajin | CRC Errors (Up/Down):4,361 / 3,140 |
| 00:10.30 | Marajin | HEC Errors (Up/Down):114,650 / 2,176 |
| 00:10.32 | Marajin | (hopefully this won't get me screwed for spam) |
| 00:10.49 | Marajin | that downstream is oddly low, it often syncs much higher than that |
| 00:10.52 | ali1234 | paaaaaaaastebin |
| 00:10.59 | Marajin | ali1234: Oh do be quiet :P |
| 00:11.03 | ginge | lol |
| 00:11.49 | ginge | you have low attenuation |
| 00:11.59 | ali1234 | mine: http://rafb.net/p/JfMIf960.html |
| 00:12.16 | ginge | so I guess you get between 13 and 18mb? |
| 00:12.52 | ginge | ali1234: yours is quite low too |
| 00:13.02 | ali1234 | yep, i still get the max for my package though |
| 00:13.33 | Marajin | ginge: yeah. This is cause I get the upstream, or I'd get 20mb down |
| 00:13.51 | Marajin | If I drop my upstream to 1.2Mbps I get 20Mbps down |
| 00:15.21 | ginge | Marajin: so I need to change up upload to see if it makes any difference |
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| 00:16.48 | ali1234 | how long ago did they turn it on? |
| 00:17.17 | ginge | 1 week ago |
| 00:19.03 | Marajin | ginge: Nope,you should already have it on that modulation |
| 00:19.22 | Marajin | ginge: They may cap it below the 2mbps that O2 offer though. |
| 00:20.00 | ali1234 | i would try a different router. the freebie might just have a weak receiver |
| 00:21.28 | Marajin | the freebie is shite |
| 00:21.31 | Marajin | it may be his chipset |
| 00:21.34 | Marajin | it's a very bad chipset |
| 00:23.59 | Marajin | ginge: Heh I just forced a resync and am now at 16mbps downstream |
| 00:29.58 | Marajin | ginge: Wanna risk twiddling manually with your SNR |
| 00:29.59 | Marajin | ? |
| 00:30.09 | ginge | yeah |
| 00:30.18 | Marajin | right let me see if I can find the cli commands for your box |
| 00:30.34 | Marajin | ws yours the 585v7? |
| 00:30.45 | ginge | yep |
| 00:31.25 | Marajin | rightio |
| 00:34.21 | ginge | ahahahaha |
| 00:34.37 | ginge | I fly just flew right in through the door and directly into a fan |
| 00:35.06 | Marajin | you're getting hysterical aren't ya? |
| 00:35.06 | ginge | span around a few times and then flew in circles for a minute until it apparently dropped dead |
| 00:35.56 | ginge | its either that or I get murderous. Damn neighbours playing shit boom boom boom music |
| 00:36.53 | Marajin | you're not having a good experience with your new house really are you? |
| 00:37.40 | ginge | no, it kinda sucks |
| 00:37.53 | ginge | I need to remove my "ring wire" according to some guy |
| 00:38.32 | Marajin | joy it bitmaps the modem options |
| 00:39.09 | Marajin | well dude, playing with that sound make for a few bricked router attempts :P |
| 00:39.17 | Marajin | s/sound/should/ |
| 00:40.26 | ginge | okay, I just called then again, and the advice was "Move closer to the exchange for faster speed" |
| 00:40.33 | Marajin | ... |
| 00:40.39 | Marajin | dude you could make a movie out of this shit |
| 00:41.02 | ginge | Marajin: this happens to me far too often to be amusing |
| 00:42.05 | Marajin | ginge: it happens to everyone in IT |
| 00:42.17 | ginge | yeah, but why? |
| 00:42.38 | Marajin | because they're running something that relies on adequate funding while being pennypinching bastards |
| 00:42.45 | Marajin | so they hire substandard |
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| 00:45.45 | ginge | wb dcordes |
| 00:48.05 | Marajin | huh |
| 00:48.20 | Marajin | ginge: INterestingly I know how to get the bitmap for your modem options but I can't find out how to change it anyway |
| 00:48.36 | ginge | dont worry about it. Cheeers for checking it out |
| 00:51.49 | Marajin | hmm the dmt tool is interesting actually |
| 00:51.57 | Marajin | wonder if it works with your router |
| 00:52.39 | ginge | or i wine |
| 00:52.45 | ginge | s/i/in/ |
| 00:52.51 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:52.58 | Marajin | I think people vmware it but i dunno about wine |
| 00:53.05 | ginge | that doable |
| 00:53.31 | Marajin | ginge: http://marajin.w-ww.org/DMT.exe |
| 00:53.33 | Marajin | try it I guess |
| 00:53.59 | ginge | oh surprise surprise vmware wont load |
| 00:54.17 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 00:54.27 | Marajin | well give it a wine try I guess , it gives some nifty info about your unit |
| 00:54.41 | Marajin | technically it allows SNR changes but it doesn't support doing it on the newest firmwares/routers |
| 00:54.45 | Marajin | (yet) |
| 00:54.46 | ginge | recompiling vm kernel |
| 00:58.16 | Marajin | ginge: you may need this version apparently: http://www.2cent.de/dmt/v8/dmt.zip |
| 00:58.27 | ginge | firmware not supported |
| 00:58.45 | ali1234 | what exactly do you mean by "SNR changes"? |
| 00:59.11 | ginge | what is my annex type A or B? |
| 00:59.57 | ali1234 | A |
| 01:00.15 | Marajin | wel B is ISDN |
| 01:00.44 | ali1234 | technically neither on 2+ actually |
| 01:00.52 | Marajin | true |
| 01:01.06 | Marajin | tis M |
| 01:01.24 | Marajin | Try the v7 I guess |
| 01:03.00 | ginge | it makes some funky noises and then nothing happens |
| 01:11.39 | Marajin | ... |
| 01:11.43 | Marajin | man your router sucks :p |
| 01:11.59 | Marajin | well frankly man I'm kinda stuck |
| 01:12.15 | Marajin | without be's cooperation and with little ability to manually prod your router.. |
| 01:15.19 | ginge | yeah. it seems the newer versions of DMT cant even log in ?? |
| 01:15.34 | Marajin | ginge: er... different versions are for different chipsets/routers :P |
| 01:16.17 | ginge | yeah |
| 01:16.49 | Marajin | v7 is for mine |
| 01:16.55 | Marajin | v8 I would have thought covered yours |
| 01:17.07 | ginge | v8 failed to parse the login prompt |
| 01:17.15 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:17.32 | Marajin | I'm vaguely aware that v7 technically half works with your router officially |
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| 01:22.40 | ginge | I need to downgrade the firmware according the the FAQ |
| 01:23.04 | ginge | I give up. The neighbours music stopped so I am going to bed |
| 01:23.06 | Marajin | sounds.. odgy |
| 01:23.10 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:23.14 | Marajin | sleep well man |
| 01:23.16 | ginge | cheers muchly, and night |
| 01:23.32 | ginge | ali1234: got any spare routers? |
| 01:24.34 | Marajin | ginge: ya know a wifi adsl2 router sells for ~ 14 quid new now? :P |
| 01:24.44 | ginge | Marajin: free is cheaper |
| 01:24.47 | Marajin | truuuue |
| 01:24.57 | ali1234 | ginge: i gave you a few back remember? |
| 01:25.09 | ginge | ali1234: those shite orange ones, yeah |
| 01:25.14 | ali1234 | they are fine |
| 01:25.22 | ginge | ali1234: you said they were locked down |
| 01:25.24 | ali1234 | i dont have anything better than that |
| 01:25.31 | ali1234 | i jtagged it |
| 01:25.38 | ginge | ahhh |
| 01:25.49 | ali1234 | not that you need to |
| 01:26.10 | ali1234 | only the bootloader is locked, to stop you flashing different fw |
| 01:26.27 | ginge | I might try that tomorrow. Cheers. |
| 01:26.28 | ginge | night |
| 01:27.17 | ali1234 | i think openwrt runs on them now... |
| 01:27.30 | ali1234 | didnt look at it for about a year |
| 01:27.37 | ali1234 | anyway night |
| 01:28.07 | ali1234 | you want a netgear dg834g if you can find one. they are good apparently. |
| 02:08.16 | ali1234 | oh dear... that livebox has same chipset as st585 v6 |
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| 03:22.10 | Marajin | ~ping marajin |
| 03:22.11 | apt | pong marajin |
| 03:22.14 | Marajin | goodo |
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| 13:39.47 | spbvac | hi |
| 13:40.16 | spbvac | Espenfjo: are you trying to boot linux on diamond ? |
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| 13:42.28 | kedar | hi all :) |
| 13:43.36 | kedar | is here anyone who try get linux on htc diamond or htc touch pro ? |
| 13:44.35 | spbvac | Espenfjo: your haretlog.txt at xda-dev shows that you boot with RAMSIZE set to 128M. can you limit it to 0x5e as the xda-dev wiki suggests ? otherwise you|ll overwrite the FBRAM and other unknown mappings. |
| 13:44.51 | spbvac | kedar: do you have a diamond ? |
| 13:45.52 | kedar | spbvac: yes.. i try haret, but still end with gogogo and freze |
| 13:46.14 | spbvac | kedar: can you add |
| 13:46.35 | spbvac | set RAMSIZE 0x5e |
| 13:46.53 | spbvac | to default.txt and try to boot again ? |
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| 13:48.53 | Espenfjo | spbvac: ah, ok, thanks, ill try |
| 13:48.53 | kedar | spbvac: MTYPE 1805 ? |
| 13:49.47 | spbvac | kedar: and the mem=94M |
| 13:49.57 | spbvac | to the kernel command line |
| 13:50.12 | spbvac | 1805 is the diamond mtype ? |
| 13:50.59 | spbvac | if you are using the kaiser kernel it may be easier to reuse the kaiser MTYPE too. |
| 13:51.18 | kedar | 1805 is for diamond in arch/arm/tools/mach-types |
| 13:51.25 | spbvac | i think that the non-custom haret does not know about diamond yet. |
| 13:52.01 | spbvac | so it"s better to reuse kaiser MTYPE |
| 13:52.09 | Espenfjo | 0x5e gives the same random FB |
| 13:52.31 | spbvac | Espenfjo: what is "random FB" ? |
| 13:52.54 | kedar | spbvac: i try with selfcompiled kernel from git://git.linuxtogo.org/home/groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git |
| 13:53.49 | Espenfjo | spbvac: Sometimes it clears the screen entirely, sometimes it writes one FB_PRINTF-line, sometimes two etc. haret logging to file progresses further |
| 13:54.28 | spbvac | Espenfjo: does your FBRAM base match the value in wiki ? |
| 13:54.52 | kedar | spbvac: with this haret http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20080726f.exe |
| 13:55.19 | Espenfjo | spbvac: Yeah (although that value isnt the same as haret finds) |
| 13:55.26 | Espenfjo | Tried several FB offsets |
| 13:55.50 | spbvac | kedar: if the haret does not autodetect diamond (i guess it will not), then you should use kaiser. |
| 13:56.34 | spbvac | Espenfjo: hmm. interesting. |
| 13:57.01 | Espenfjo | GAPI, GETGXINFO and GETRAWFRAMEBUFFER gives two different adresses (which isnt the same as the one in the wiki) |
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| 14:02.54 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: what is the rawframebuffer value ? |
| 14:03.12 | Espenfjo | 0x1686a000 |
| 14:03.30 | Espenfjo | GAPI and GETGXINFO gives 0x16844800 |
| 14:04.45 | spbvac_ | you can try a ddirect 565-encoded write to these areas. |
| 14:05.37 | Espenfjo | How? I dont really know what im doing at all :) |
| 14:06.02 | spbvac_ | i think rawframebuffer is a better bet. although it"s a bit strange. maybe it"s some double-buffering or dma... |
| 14:06.48 | spbvac_ | check the "pfh" command, i think it"s in the haret docs |
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| 14:08.56 | Espenfjo | but, 565-encoded? |
| 14:09.05 | dcordes | hi |
| 14:09.09 | Espenfjo | hi dcordes |
| 14:09.14 | dcordes | Espenfjo: any progress with the diamond? |
| 14:09.22 | Espenfjo | no, not really |
| 14:09.38 | dcordes | maybe you can ask dzo |
| 14:09.56 | Espenfjo | spbvac_: is trying to help me a bit :P But i think im a difficult subject ;P |
| 14:10.04 | dcordes | so am I |
| 14:10.18 | dcordes | no basic knowledge |
| 14:10.56 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: 16 bits are split into 5/6/5 for the r/g/b values |
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| 14:11.27 | dcordes | are you guys working in the framebuffer kernel code? |
| 14:11.34 | Espenfjo | no, haret |
| 14:11.36 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: so the lower 5bits set will provide you with the blue screen :) |
| 14:11.42 | Espenfjo | ah |
| 14:12.37 | spbvac_ | dcordes: no, only trying to reuse the kaiser kernel for diamond |
| 14:13.02 | Espenfjo | So.. eg. pfh 0x1686a000 0x96000 5 should give me a blue screen? :P |
| 14:13.41 | dcordes | the framebuffer code in git is somewhat outdated. |
| 14:19.43 | spbvac_ | dcordes: booting linux on diamnd is not so far anyway |
| 14:21.39 | dcordes | are you that sure? |
| 14:22.14 | dcordes | afaik regarding kaiser which had a very similar problem, it was the kernel code which solved it |
| 14:23.00 | Espenfjo | haret might try to boot the linux kernel now also, but as we have no FB it is impossible to debug |
| 14:25.20 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: you can use vsfb, like it|s done for some other devices. |
| 14:25.37 | Espenfjo | vsfb? :P |
| 14:25.41 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: but you need a real fbaddr for it. |
| 14:25.46 | Espenfjo | ok |
| 14:25.55 | spbvac_ | VerySimpleFrameBuffer |
| 14:26.03 | Espenfjo | I have four addresses to test from, so ;) |
| 14:26.12 | spbvac_ | 4? |
| 14:26.21 | Espenfjo | three maybe |
| 14:26.21 | Espenfjo | hehe |
| 14:26.58 | spbvac_ | ok |
| 14:28.02 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: the htchermes code has vsfb as an LCD driver. |
| 14:28.20 | Espenfjo | ok |
| 14:28.45 | Espenfjo | Ill look into it |
| 14:28.57 | dcordes | very simple framebuffer? |
| 14:29.07 | spbvac_ | you need to find out the fbaddr, ad the native resolution (640x480 or 480x640) |
| 14:30.20 | spbvac_ | dcordes: if the fbaddr is fixed in ()RAM, you can reuse the wince setup. but you cant suspend/resume and such. |
| 14:30.37 | dcordes | we tried something about vsfb on kaiser |
| 14:31.00 | spbvac_ | dcordes: a real driver is better anyway |
| 14:31.03 | dcordes | it's not in the htc-msm tree |
| 14:31.54 | dcordes | did you compare dzo's msm_fb code with the google tree msm_fb? |
| 14:32.01 | Marajin | yo |
| 14:32.03 | Marajin | 'lo dcordes |
| 14:32.16 | dcordes | there might be the answer to your problem |
| 14:32.25 | dcordes | hi Marajin |
| 14:32.32 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: hmm. something else come to my mind. the kaiser kernel will not work. |
| 14:32.52 | dcordes | why is that? |
| 14:32.54 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: you should start with the raw halibut kernel from scratch,. |
| 14:33.10 | dcordes | did you try to boot vogue, btw? |
| 14:33.30 | spbvac_ | dcordes: because it\s 7201 cpu. the irq and other things are different. including the SD and so on. |
| 14:33.44 | Espenfjo | spbvac_: hmm, ok, altho im no expert on this :) I hav no experience whatsoever |
| 14:34.12 | dcordes | you should a) try vogue kernel b) make a very thin config for both, vogue and kaiser kernel and try that |
| 14:34.14 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: ok, so there is no hope to boot the kaiser kernel on diamond ;) |
| 14:34.32 | dcordes | no hope I would not say that |
| 14:34.43 | dcordes | I'm making you a tiny kaiser kernel real quick.. |
| 14:34.59 | spbvac_ | dcordes: the 7500 kernel will have the same problems. |
| 14:35.23 | dcordes | if it would be a complete fsck up with the irqs and all, he wouldn't see anything |
| 14:35.51 | spbvac_ | dcordes: halibut kernel should have the right support. |
| 14:36.29 | dcordes | Espenfjo: you got the google vanilla kernel? |
| 14:36.32 | spbvac_ | dcordes: yes, 7200/7500 kernel will be a complete fsck to try on diamond |
| 14:36.38 | Espenfjo | I have that somewhere too, yeah |
| 14:36.50 | dcordes | update to latest and make a clean build with lean config |
| 14:37.13 | Espenfjo | already done :P |
| 14:38.14 | dcordes | did you patch htc-msm kaiser framebuffer code for vga? |
| 14:38.35 | Espenfjo | no, havent done anything to the android-kernel |
| 14:38.57 | dcordes | spbvac_: halibut is 7500A, not 7501A |
| 14:39.29 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: forget about the android for now, boot the bare kernel first |
| 14:39.38 | Espenfjo | yeah |
| 14:39.48 | dcordes | you are debugging with the 20MB android ramdisk? lol |
| 14:39.49 | spbvac_ | dcordes: it|s about A vs. !A |
| 14:40.08 | dcordes | Espenfjo: I have an angstrom rootfs 3M |
| 14:40.46 | spbvac_ | dcordes: seein the kernel oops on mounting rootfs will be enough for now :) |
| 14:41.31 | Espenfjo | yeah, an oops will give me hopes enough to test more :P |
| 14:41.53 | Espenfjo | Even considering writing a small arm kernel my self |
| 14:41.57 | Espenfjo | hello world :P |
| 14:42.04 | Espenfjo | Did that on x86 ones |
| 14:42.10 | dcordes | ok with no rootfs also good |
| 14:42.20 | dcordes | just though you would load the 20M android image |
| 14:42.26 | dcordes | thought |
| 14:42.28 | spbvac_ | lol, it|s all about output device driver... |
| 14:44.25 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: i think that the halibut kernel+vsfb should boot |
| 14:44.35 | Espenfjo | ok |
| 14:44.40 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/zImage-kaiser-loconfig |
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| 14:45.00 | dcordes | Espenfjo: again, did you boot vogue kernel? |
| 14:45.05 | Espenfjo | dcordes: no |
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| 14:45.12 | dcordes | patched kaiser for vga? |
| 14:45.36 | Marajin | the diamond is 7/2/01A yes? |
| 14:45.41 | dcordes | no |
| 14:45.45 | dcordes | is it? |
| 14:46.12 | dcordes | sorry yea |
| 14:46.26 | Marajin | dcordes: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond |
| 14:46.27 | Marajin | yes it is |
| 14:46.29 | dcordes | msm7201A |
| 14:47.09 | dcordes | so spbvac_ is right, halibutt kernel should be the first approach |
| 14:47.45 | spbvac_ | Marajin: 7201A |
| 14:50.04 | Espenfjo | So.. Eh.. Halibut.. Just enable the Halibut board in the linux kernel config? |
| 14:50.24 | dcordes | does it have no default configuration in arch/arm/configs? |
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| 14:50.42 | Espenfjo | no |
| 14:50.58 | dcordes | then enable the machine |
| 14:51.26 | dcordes | make defconfig maybe, then enable with make menuconfig |
| 14:53.34 | Espenfjo | yeah, done, but.. well.. nothing more than the normal haret hanging |
| 14:55.04 | dcordes | freeze at 100% or partial display redraw? |
| 14:55.25 | Espenfjo | Now it froze at Diabling hardware |
| 14:55.28 | Espenfjo | dis |
| 14:55.48 | dcordes | can you retry a few times? |
| 14:55.55 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: which MTYPE, RAMSIZE and mem= do you use ? |
| 14:56.45 | Espenfjo | 1805, size 0xe5, using standard mem= (nothing) |
| 14:56.47 | spbvac_ | does halibut has a mtype at all ? |
| 14:57.00 | dcordes | yes |
| 14:57.06 | Espenfjo | no, but the qualcomm msm7x00 have a halibut option |
| 14:57.06 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: mem=94M |
| 14:57.48 | spbvac_ | haret need to transfer the right mtype to the kernel, otherwise it|ll hang n the .asm init. |
| 14:57.53 | Espenfjo | What cmdline should i use btw? only mem, or should i use some sort of root and console also? |
| 14:58.11 | spbvac_ | root is not important now |
| 14:58.20 | spbvac_ | console=tty0 ? |
| 14:58.30 | Espenfjo | "root=/dev/ram0 ro console=tty0 mem=94M" |
| 14:58.31 | Espenfjo | ok |
| 14:58.38 | spbvac_ | ok |
| 14:59.02 | spbvac_ | size 0x5e, not 0xe5 |
| 14:59.23 | Espenfjo | yeah, 5e was what i was using :) |
| 14:59.28 | spbvac_ | ok |
| 14:59.38 | Espenfjo | ramaddr 0x100000000 |
| 14:59.56 | spbvac_ | ok |
| 15:01.48 | spbvac_ | btw, i"m using a cdma450 phone for this connection now. a stoneage technology, but it works :) |
| 15:02.23 | Espenfjo | No, still nothing |
| 15:02.55 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: well, you don|t have a vsfb, what do you expect ? |
| 15:03.15 | Espenfjo | Not sure how to implement it :) |
| 15:03.31 | Espenfjo | I only find it as a kernel module, which isnt what we need |
| 15:03.57 | spbvac_ | look at the hermes_vsfb.c driver and Kconfig/Makefile |
| 15:04.15 | dcordes | random question: why should vsfb help? |
| 15:04.54 | spbvac_ | dcordes: you need some console driver to see something from the boot progress |
| 15:05.14 | dcordes | doesn't msm_fb.c bring msm framebuffer specific code which is essential to display anything at all? |
| 15:05.22 | dcordes | spbvac_: what about fbcon? |
| 15:05.28 | spbvac_ | dcordes: since you don|t have rs232 cable, the LCD console is your only option |
| 15:05.36 | Espenfjo | Where do you find hermes_vsfb? |
| 15:05.58 | spbvac_ | dcordes: you need a lowlevel driver, fbcon is a midlevel |
| 15:06.01 | dcordes | spbvac_: do you know msm_fb.c? |
| 15:06.22 | spbvac_ | Espenfjo: htchermes_vsfb.c or htcathena_vsfb.c ? |
| 15:07.06 | spbvac_ | dcordes: i think it|s the "real" driver, vsfb is much easier to use. |
| 15:07.09 | Espenfjo | htchermes_vsfb.c i guess |
| 15:07.10 | dcordes | another random question: did you simply try raising the fbsize variable in the msm fb code of kaiser? |
| 15:07.53 | spbvac_ | dcordes: msm_fb will need 100000 modifications before it|'ll work on diamond, because it uses SRAM for the framebuffer |
| 15:08.07 | spbvac_ | bbl |
| 15:12.58 | dcordes | ok |
| 15:21.26 | Espenfjo | hmm, control register |
| 15:30.38 | Red_Lion | :( nvidia is bad on smartphone |
| 16:46.44 | Marajin | who |
| 16:46.46 | Marajin | what |
| 16:46.47 | Marajin | where |
| 16:46.48 | Marajin | why?! |
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| 16:57.13 | UKCoder | question: If I try the apache-linux-launcher-20071115.exe and gpe-image-v0.8.4-modified-for-apache-20071107.rootfs.tar.bz2 on my SD card with my Apache, is there any danger it will brick my phone or lose information? |
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| 19:40.52 | Marajin | yo ginge |
| 19:41.05 | ginge | yo |
| 19:41.19 | Marajin | how goes? |
| 19:41.33 | ginge | not bad. You? |
| 19:42.58 | Marajin | glad to finally get some food for the day |
| 19:43.05 | Marajin | first thing I've eaten today |
| 19:43.05 | ginge | :) |
| 19:43.28 | ginge | Same here. I have been wading through memory dumps all day. |
| 19:43.30 | Marajin | Naturally it's a healthy meal ;) Rib-eye steak, aberdeen angus sausages and potato wedges |
| 19:43.37 | ginge | man that sounds good |
| 19:43.39 | Marajin | a geek needs his meat |
| 19:43.45 | Marajin | heh =) |
| 19:43.56 | ginge | much better than my chicken burger spaghetti and nasty chips |
| 19:44.03 | Marajin | I don't do cheap food, I just do damn tasty |
| 19:44.19 | Marajin | Given my financial situation it's unwise but I'd rather be well fed that rich ya know |
| 19:44.54 | ginge | I see food as an annoyance, and wouldn't mind if a days meal came in bar form |
| 19:45.04 | Marajin | heh |
| 19:45.22 | Marajin | man you say that but even you must like proper steak and such |
| 19:45.43 | Marajin | I'm willing to just eat whatever if it arrives in front of me but if I cook then it's gotta be good grub |
| 19:45.43 | ginge | yeah, true but how many times can you eat premium steak without getting sick of it? |
| 19:45.50 | Marajin | well true |
| 19:45.53 | Marajin | but I mix it up |
| 19:45.59 | Marajin | I'ma tolerable chef, I'm told |
| 19:46.04 | ginge | lol |
| 19:46.16 | Marajin | Mostly, I'm good at remembering when to switch the oven off |
| 19:46.23 | Marajin | (something many women fail to master) |
| 19:46.32 | Marajin | too busy on the phone and they forget food's frazzling |
| 19:46.40 | ginge | yeah, I can microwave a mean meal |
| 19:47.15 | ginge | My gf is not allowed to cook. last time it involved a fire extinguisher and hospital |
| 19:47.15 | Marajin | haha |
| 19:47.34 | Marajin | I saw a girl put a red hot pan on the counter once. |
| 19:47.46 | Marajin | how that didn't turn into a fire I do not know |
| 19:47.52 | ginge | heh |
| 19:47.54 | Marajin | I saw a woman burn _pasta_ once |
| 19:48.02 | ginge | thats possible? |
| 19:48.14 | ginge | I thought it just turned into th hardest material known to man |
| 19:48.27 | Marajin | if you leave the ring on gas mark furnace and forget it for 5 hours yes |
| 19:48.36 | Marajin | you end up with a black lining to the pan |
| 19:48.46 | ginge | "whats your house made from, bob?" "Pasta my wife made" |
| 19:48.48 | Marajin | and much smoke |
| 19:49.42 | ginge | brb just going to make a nice pot of tea |
| 19:49.57 | ginge | and eat a packet of choccy biccies |
| 19:50.03 | Marajin | ah a geek breakfast |
| 19:50.27 | Marajin | ...man a geek restaurant.. would that work? **ponders** Probably not, geeks aren'tsocial enough |
| 19:50.57 | Marajin | "yeah, I'll have the full geekish breakfast please". Basically a fry up with super strength coffee heh |
| 19:52.40 | Marajin | vs the lite geekish breakfast.. which is just a pipe up your nose and they pump a gallon of java into you |
| 19:52.56 | Marajin | "I'm just skin covering coffee right now, and some veeeeery nervous teeth!" |
| 19:58.59 | ginge | lol |
| 19:59.37 | ginge | hmm. |
| 20:00.03 | ginge | I changed the SD irq triggering from rising to level and it crashes in a different way now. |
| 20:00.18 | Marajin | define 'different' ? :p |
| 20:00.20 | ginge | damned guessing game |
| 20:00.46 | ginge | well... it now crashes trying to execute something instead of crashing on write |
| 20:01.07 | Marajin | ... interesting |
| 20:01.13 | ginge | different ; |
| 20:02.00 | ginge | Marajin: get a job at qualcomm for me, this is pissing me off |
| 20:02.08 | Marajin | hah |
| 20:02.13 | Marajin | I would if I could, I need the money |
| 20:02.47 | ginge | I just need hitting with a cluebat |
| 20:02.54 | Marajin | well |
| 20:02.56 | ginge | time to repack android so it dumps logs to my server... netcat ftw |
| 20:02.59 | Marajin | I can probably hit you with a bat |
| 20:03.05 | ginge | Marajin: that might do it |
| 20:03.20 | Marajin | right, hold still, this will hurt more than a bit... :> |
| 20:03.33 | ginge | I know that hurts, been there before :) |
| 20:03.39 | Marajin | yes I remember |
| 20:04.24 | ginge | is there a package where I can get an ip for this phone ;) |
| 20:04.35 | ginge | would save so much pissing arount with reverse ssh tunnels |
| 20:04.35 | Marajin | an externa IP? nah |
| 20:05.41 | ginge | well, lets see if I can bodge this horribly then |
| 20:06.50 | ginge | where is dzo when you need him. I can't be doing with reverse engineering the VIC on this god awful chip |
| 20:07.34 | ginge | so, if the rumours about the "dream" phone are true, you gonna get one? |
| 20:07.49 | Marajin | ginge: Tempting, a phone that already has a fully functional linux kernel? |
| 20:08.05 | Marajin | we could rip android off that and put something tasty on in a heartbeat |
| 20:08.10 | ginge | its thats all you want, but a freerunner :) |
| 20:08.10 | Marajin | depends on the finalised specs and cost tho' |
| 20:08.22 | ginge | s/but/buy/ |
| 20:08.30 | Marajin | nah the moko phone quality is doubtful to me |
| 20:08.36 | ginge | really? |
| 20:08.40 | Marajin | yeah |
| 20:08.45 | ginge | software or hardware? |
| 20:08.46 | Marajin | they have too many issues with it |
| 20:08.48 | Marajin | both |
| 20:08.55 | Marajin | and it has no frontkeys does it? |
| 20:09.01 | ginge | is that a problem? |
| 20:09.06 | Marajin | yes? :p |
| 20:09.15 | Marajin | I use frontkeys quite a bit |
| 20:09.24 | Marajin | does it even have buttons for calls? |
| 20:09.46 | ginge | if the dream comes out in a few weeks, I wonder if android will finally go open source? |
| 20:09.54 | ginge | I might consider using it then |
| 20:09.59 | Marajin | but anyway, I suspect the dream would be a higher quality handset I just dunno |
| 20:10.08 | Marajin | well we'd hope so once the phones hit the market |
| 20:10.14 | ginge | historically HTC stuff is poo |
| 20:10.19 | Marajin | eh |
| 20:10.34 | Marajin | You just have bad luck :P |
| 20:10.42 | Marajin | My kaiser is fairly well built |
| 20:10.49 | ginge | well they all have massive flaws. maybe I do have bad luck... |
| 20:11.11 | Marajin | man you've just moved, your broadband's fucked and some kids tried to break into your car already. |
| 20:11.14 | Marajin | you have bad luck :P |
| 20:11.34 | ginge | blueangel: keyboard fubar |
| 20:11.34 | ginge | hermes: radio fubar, screen fubar |
| 20:11.34 | ginge | kaiser: tilt is loose, video is poor, sluggish is an understatement |
| 20:11.49 | Marajin | well the kaiser video is a software issue |
| 20:12.03 | ginge | who is to blame? HTC! |
| 20:12.05 | Marajin | From those in strategic places I know that the video issue is a legal one too |
| 20:12.12 | Marajin | actually it's basically QC |
| 20:12.55 | ginge | who cares. To use a crap car analogy if you buy a car and the engine is rubbish, you wounldn't let the manufacturer fob you by saying "not our engine" |
| 20:14.16 | ginge | wget http://mserver/android-ginge1-fubar.bin |
| 20:14.21 | ginge | oops |
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| 20:49.52 | Marajin | :p |
| 20:49.55 | Marajin | 'lo dcordes |
| 20:50.05 | Marajin | ginge: And yeah but legally speaking they're shafted by QC |
| 20:50.15 | Marajin | which they clearly solved for the diamond |
| 20:50.28 | Marajin | but they won't go back and fixor the kaiser which is annoying |
| 20:50.36 | ginge | is that where the unofficial driver came from? |
| 20:51.07 | Marajin | Partially |
| 20:51.12 | Marajin | they reverse engineered it a bit I think |
| 20:51.23 | ginge | hmm. I just turned my kaiser on and it instantly soft reset |
| 20:51.44 | Marajin | dude, did you run over a witch's foot or something? |
| 20:51.49 | ginge | rofl |
| 20:52.05 | ginge | its always like this for me. |
| 20:53.23 | Marajin | man you must have really kicked the shit out of blackcats, mirrors and lived under a ladder |
| 20:53.43 | ginge | punching gypsies too |
| 20:53.48 | Marajin | heh |
| 20:53.50 | Marajin | sod them |
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| 20:55.36 | Marajin | oh god, it's ali1234 |
| 20:55.44 | ginge | eh? reading the MMC status flag clears it? |
| 20:55.51 | ginge | ali1234: yo |
| 20:56.16 | ginge | remeber not to mention KDE. damn |
| 20:56.33 | ali1234 | forget KDE i have a bone to pick with skype |
| 20:56.39 | Marajin | heh |
| 20:56.40 | Marajin | why? |
| 20:56.46 | ali1234 | they are claiming that 20 minutes of skype calls per month = 1mb of data |
| 20:56.47 | ginge | dont use skype, its closed and shit |
| 20:56.52 | Marajin | .. |
| 20:56.54 | ali1234 | sorry 20 minutes PER DAY |
| 20:57.00 | Marajin | hah |
| 20:57.05 | Marajin | ok now that makes sense ;) |
| 20:57.07 | ginge | who claims that? |
| 20:57.07 | ali1234 | that's 28 bytes per second |
| 20:57.11 | ali1234 | skype does |
| 20:57.21 | ginge | um. unpossible |
| 20:57.29 | ali1234 | http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/download/skype/mobile/ |
| 20:57.51 | ginge | does that include overheads from the government backdoors? |
| 20:57.59 | Marajin | haha |
| 20:58.19 | ali1234 | oh great skype crashed my sound now i have to reboot |
| 20:58.25 | ginge | you know what, it does say that |
| 20:58.36 | ali1234 | i know its crazy isnt it? |
| 20:58.43 | ali1234 | brb |
| 20:58.43 | Marajin | I know the mobile bitrate is shit but hehe |
| 20:58.56 | ginge | brb too. |
| 20:59.14 | ginge | msg ali1234 |
| 20:59.19 | ginge | oops |
| 20:59.58 | ginge | okay, how do I stop the trackpad paste buffer without restarting X. I'm not using synaptics driver |
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| 21:05.01 | ali1234 | so, the skype for linux hits the alsa hardware directly, which stops any other programs from making sound |
| 21:06.15 | ali1234 | so after you quit it, any program that's attempted to make a sound will start to play the first 50 msec of that sound over and over in a loop, and the gnome panel freezes |
| 21:07.39 | ginge | there is a workaround iirc |
| 21:07.54 | ginge | its called the "don't use skype" method |
| 21:07.58 | Marajin | :p |
| 21:08.06 | Marajin | it doesnt work well on linux 's true |
| 21:08.13 | Marajin | it works even worse on winmobile |
| 21:08.26 | ali1234 | it happens with any program that hits the hardware directly, ie anything that uses SDL |
| 21:08.34 | ali1234 | anything that uses ALSA audio |
| 21:08.38 | Marajin | they claim devices like the kaiser can't handle skype's audio engine |
| 21:08.44 | Marajin | and they have to use a shite one |
| 21:08.48 | ginge | vmware does it too. very irritating |
| 21:19.25 | infernix | no problems with skype here |
| 21:19.32 | infernix | just point it to a dmixer you set up in .asoundrc |
| 21:20.43 | ali1234 | got a link with more info? sounds like it could fix all my problems... |
| 21:20.45 | infernix | is partitioning his sdhc for rootfs |
| 21:20.50 | infernix | uhh |
| 21:20.51 | Marajin | woo |
| 21:20.53 | infernix | google asoundrc |
| 21:21.06 | infernix | 1 trillion hits, give or take |
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| 21:21.50 | Marajin | 'lo tmzt |
| 21:23.30 | infernix | Marajin, you have your sdhc partitioned right |
| 21:24.41 | ginge | infernix: which device you have? |
| 21:24.45 | infernix | kaiser |
| 21:24.55 | ginge | heh. best of luck ;) |
| 21:25.16 | infernix | with what? |
| 21:25.49 | ginge | getting sd to work in your device |
| 21:26.05 | infernix | afaik theres just some dma issues with large file transfer |
| 21:26.18 | ginge | yep. |
| 21:26.47 | infernix | granted, i don't know what values of "large" cause them |
| 21:26.54 | infernix | but i'll find out |
| 21:27.06 | infernix | or i'll try and debug Xfbdev to get pointer working |
| 21:27.38 | ginge | large is subjective. it depends on the file, the cpu load and file size |
| 21:29.06 | Marajin | infernix: Sure do |
| 21:29.16 | infernix | did you set up swap? |
| 21:29.19 | Marajin | no |
| 21:29.26 | ginge | swap will kill it in seconds |
| 21:29.33 | Marajin | 'xactly |
| 21:29.35 | infernix | good point :) |
| 21:29.37 | Marajin | don't need it yet anyway |
| 21:29.38 | infernix | k, ill assign 500mb |
| 21:29.45 | infernix | should suffice for a while |
| 21:29.51 | Marajin | oh easily |
| 21:30.02 | Marajin | even the huuuge rootfs don't pass 100 |
| 21:30.15 | infernix | maybe 5x100 then? |
| 21:30.17 | infernix | for easier testing |
| 21:30.28 | Marajin | 4 x 125 maybe? |
| 21:30.36 | ginge | I have 8x 128 |
| 21:31.01 | infernix | WM6 seems to work just fine with the partitioned sdhc |
| 21:31.07 | Marajin | it does yep |
| 21:31.10 | ginge | yeah, ignores it |
| 21:31.13 | Marajin | as long as fat is the first part |
| 21:31.19 | infernix | did anyone trash the fat partition yet while using linux on it? |
| 21:31.26 | Marajin | um no |
| 21:31.28 | ginge | no, not yet. |
| 21:31.40 | ginge | and I have done stuff wacky shit while writing the sd support |
| 21:31.41 | Marajin | I trashed it by using gparted to resize |
| 21:31.53 | Marajin | but it wasn't a significant trashing |
| 21:31.59 | Marajin | It only mangled about 8mb |
| 21:36.43 | ginge | oh man, football is back on :( |
| 21:37.02 | infernix | Write error in the file Movies/Fight.Club.1999.Mobile.mkv |
| 21:37.03 | infernix | ugh |
| 21:37.18 | infernix | vfat is shit for sdhc >.< |
| 21:38.05 | infernix | reality kernel: invalid opcode: 0000 [1] SMP |
| 21:38.13 | Marajin | ginge: so? |
| 21:38.16 | infernix | blah |
| 21:38.29 | ginge | Marajin: football sucks donkey balls |
| 21:38.32 | infernix | guess ill reboot to windows and format it there |
| 21:38.50 | Marajin | ginge: Heh, you scare me at times, cause I have to agree |
| 21:41.26 | ali1234 | ha |
| 21:41.43 | ali1234 | i fixed sound. the solution was to turn off pulse audio and use direct alsa instead |
| 21:42.50 | infernix | oh you're on ubuntu? |
| 21:43.42 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 21:43.56 | infernix | pulseaudio as default was an overoptimistic decision |
| 21:44.05 | infernix | alsa sucks but pulseaudio support isnt there yet |
| 21:44.11 | ginge | as was everything in ubuntu |
| 21:44.11 | ali1234 | looks like pulse audio is the worse thing for linux sound since artsd (which used to do exactly the same thing) |
| 21:44.46 | ali1234 | lets see if i can put mp3s on at the same time :) |
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| 21:46.22 | ginge | I wonder how many people we can get to sponser to a full time htc-linux developer |
| 21:46.46 | ginge | I just had to boot into android in order to use the phone keypad with online banking without it timing out |
| 21:46.55 | infernix | ugh |
| 21:47.04 | infernix | winxp hangs while trying to open the sdhc vfat partition |
| 21:47.15 | infernix | Marajin: how did you make the fs, mkfs.vfat? |
| 21:47.16 | ginge | sound pretty mangled |
| 21:47.22 | Marajin | yah |
| 21:47.33 | infernix | maybe the sdhc is broken |
| 21:47.45 | infernix | ill try running badblocks |
| 21:50.29 | dcordes | hi all |
| 21:50.53 | Marajin | hey dcordes |
| 21:51.36 | infernix | oi |
| 21:52.05 | Marajin | oi? |
| 21:52.19 | infernix | oi. |
| 21:52.27 | Marajin | io |
| 21:53.46 | dcordes | oi infernix |
| 21:56.52 | infernix | anyone know if an sdhc card will give read errors when theres problems writing? |
| 21:57.15 | infernix | i could do a write badblocks test but im not sure if thats a good thing for a flash memory card |
| 21:57.24 | infernix | might wear it down in one run |
| 21:58.09 | Marajin | er |
| 21:58.09 | Marajin | heh |
| 21:58.23 | Marajin | don't you need millions of block writes to wear down flash ? |
| 21:58.34 | Marajin | that's why you can get 10 year + guarantees |
| 21:59.58 | infernix | maybe its my laptops mmc reader thats flaky |
| 22:00.11 | Marajin | I'm surprised it reads SDHC |
| 22:00.13 | Marajin | many don't |
| 22:00.47 | infernix | end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 75908 |
| 22:00.50 | infernix | tries USB |
| 22:01.14 | Marajin | I ended up using cardexport yeah |
| 22:01.35 | infernix | cardexport? |
| 22:01.52 | Marajin | WM software, turns the kaiser into USB reader |
| 22:02.57 | infernix | ah right |
| 22:03.10 | Marajin | Wm5torage just errors constantly |
| 22:03.15 | ginge | Marajin: hey nice one. The sd on my laptop is shite |
| 22:03.18 | Marajin | my laptop reader just won't register the card |
| 22:03.44 | Marajin | ginge: Mm? well it's commercial software annoyingly but you get 30 day trial I think |
| 22:10.48 | infernix | usb is slower, but seems stable |
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| 22:16.34 | infernix | fetches some New York Super Fudge Chunk |
| 22:16.51 | Marajin | opens the vodka. |
| 22:16.56 | infernix | the filesystems on the sdhc, ext3 or 2? |
| 22:17.09 | Marajin | oh good god, definitely 2 |
| 22:17.27 | infernix | figured |
| 22:17.32 | infernix | just checkin:) |
| 22:17.49 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 22:18.10 | Marajin | ya know I've been told to vapourise and inhale alcohol by my doctor? |
| 22:18.13 | Marajin | it's a good excuse :> |
| 22:18.48 | infernix | orly |
| 22:19.15 | infernix | my doctor told me to ignite and inhale thc |
| 22:19.24 | Marajin | haha |
| 22:19.30 | Marajin | nah he really did, it's to kill a parasite |
| 22:19.43 | Marajin | it gets stuck in the lungs |
| 22:19.49 | infernix | i meet him twice every day, strangely enough he's always brushing his teeth when i see him |
| 22:19.57 | infernix | ah |
| 22:20.13 | infernix | so you're boiling wodka ? |
| 22:20.24 | Marajin | that was his suggestion yep |
| 22:21.08 | Marajin | I'm a scotch drinker by choice |
| 22:21.34 | Marajin | but it'd be a waste of good whisky |
| 22:21.38 | infernix | yeah i'd boil the vodka |
| 22:22.15 | infernix | i must say i'm not much for alcohol |
| 22:22.35 | Marajin | caffeine, nicotine and alcohol are my only drug intakes |
| 22:22.43 | Marajin | (including prescription and over-the-counter drugs) |
| 22:23.27 | infernix | im only on thc. nicotine comes with that, obviously, but never without the thc :) |
| 22:23.41 | infernix | and maybe caffeine but not sure how much is in coca cola |
| 22:23.48 | Marajin | 35mg |
| 22:23.49 | Marajin | per can |
| 22:23.51 | Marajin | roughly |
| 22:24.19 | Marajin | identical to a normal cup of tea, about half that of instant coffee |
| 22:24.29 | Marajin | 1/3rd of percolated coffee |
| 22:24.45 | infernix | how much is in red bull? |
| 22:24.51 | Marajin | 100 |
| 22:24.59 | Marajin | ish |
| 22:25.00 | Marajin | I think |
| 22:25.08 | Marajin | smaller cans tho' |
| 22:25.17 | Marajin | and you have taurine in red bull too |
| 22:25.47 | infernix | my gf was on 6 cans of red bull a day |
| 22:25.58 | Marajin | I've exceeded 12 in an _hour_ |
| 22:26.29 | Marajin | they're 250ml cans right? |
| 22:26.55 | ginge | infernix: damn you talking about THC when I have none |
| 22:27.05 | infernix | yeah |
| 22:27.12 | Marajin | I used to drink litre bottles of something that I swear is identical to redbull, smell, taste, look and caffeine/taurine values |
| 22:27.27 | infernix | you don't get headaches or migraines? |
| 22:27.31 | Marajin | never have |
| 22:27.40 | Marajin | Nothing has been known togive me a headache |
| 22:27.40 | infernix | me neither. but she does |
| 22:28.19 | Marajin | like, literally nothing beyond actually being hit int he head so hard that I have a small bald spot from the damage to the skin alone |
| 22:29.00 | Marajin | otherwise I just don't get headpain. |
| 22:29.02 | infernix | "An acute overdose of caffeine, usually in excess of about 300 milligrams, dependent on body weight and level of caffeine tolerance, can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication" |
| 22:29.27 | ginge | red bull makes me feel sick and tastes like soil |
| 22:29.33 | Marajin | infernix, I'm talking about 3 thousand milligrams |
| 22:29.43 | Marajin | 3 grams in fact |
| 22:29.59 | Marajin | which is roughly the lowest known lethal dose of caffeine |
| 22:30.15 | Marajin | and that.. is an interesting experience |
| 22:30.36 | Marajin | really without my caffeine tolerance and body mass, it would have been very dangerous indeed |
| 22:31.05 | infernix | bleh, sdhc doesnt recognise vfat |
| 22:31.14 | infernix | in WM |
| 22:31.15 | infernix | i hope its due to partition type |
| 22:31.54 | Marajin | as it was, yah I've done 3 litres in < 1 hour maybe.. 3 times in my life |
| 22:31.57 | infernix | yay |
| 22:32.15 | Marajin | and it makes me insanely good at games that need twitch reactions |
| 22:32.23 | Marajin | until about another hour has passed |
| 22:32.28 | infernix | well ive done more interesting drugs than caffeine in the past |
| 22:32.35 | Marajin | by which point I'm so shakey heh |
| 22:33.04 | Marajin | TBH infernix, all the stimulants behave near identically to caffeine they're just more potent |
| 22:33.28 | infernix | mushrooms are not stimuli :) |
| 22:33.43 | Marajin | ah they are but they're stimuli for different bits of the brain |
| 22:34.21 | infernix | well in that sense, yes |
| 22:34.24 | Marajin | LSD isn't even a dangerous drug, it doesn't have a leathal dose AFAIK except that it can incapacitate you so badly you'll die of malnutrition or whatever |
| 22:35.41 | Marajin | THC, from my experience, did very little to me |
| 22:35.46 | dcordes | that would be one bad trip |
| 22:35.48 | ginge | didnt smoke enough |
| 22:35.58 | Marajin | though I once had something that did send me off on one with hallucinations and shit |
| 22:36.19 | dcordes | or not the right substance |
| 22:36.36 | Marajin | TBH I rearranged a field full of people in bivvy bags, thought aliens were landing and was found smoking a teabag and lobbing opalfruits (starburst nowadays) at a van |
| 22:36.39 | Marajin | in the morning |
| 22:36.49 | Marajin | dcordes: It was mixed with something I think |
| 22:37.00 | dcordes | Marajin: visit infernix and try the stuff his dr. gives to him |
| 22:37.20 | Marajin | ginge: And yeah, basically nominal doseage didn't seem to do much to me compared to others. I'm sure higher doseage would work but I can't be bothered :P |
| 22:38.01 | infernix | dutch stuff is more potent |
| 22:38.09 | dcordes | you bet |
| 22:38.10 | infernix | but anyway im gonna have some fun with my Wii |
| 22:38.13 | ginge | i'm like that wish booze. I just can't be bothered. £9 to feel a little woozy is not good value for me |
| 22:38.16 | Marajin | infernix: good man |
| 22:38.17 | infernix | pun intended |
| 22:38.22 | ginge | heh |
| 22:38.30 | ginge | never gets old that one |
| 22:38.30 | infernix | i'll be back |
| 22:38.49 | Marajin | ginge: I thought you said you weren't too good with alcohol anymore? |
| 22:39.04 | ginge | infernix: Hasta la vista |
| 22:39.17 | Marajin | my neighbour actually has 'wii' on their numberplate |
| 22:39.22 | ginge | Marajin: thats because I don't drink it |
| 22:39.53 | Marajin | so you'r saying you become retolerant too quickly? ;) |
| 22:40.14 | ginge | no, I'm saying a pint costs £9 |
| 22:40.15 | dcordes | ginge: did they find your beagle? |
| 22:40.25 | Marajin | er |
| 22:40.27 | Marajin | dude |
| 22:40.27 | ginge | dcordes: no, I have to wait 28 days before its classified as lost |
| 22:40.37 | Marajin | I know they're expensive but |
| 22:40.38 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:40.40 | Marajin | 9 ? |
| 22:40.42 | Marajin | seriously.. |
| 22:40.58 | ginge | Marajin: I paid £3.20 for a pint in manc the other day, and I swear it was mostly water |
| 22:41.04 | dcordes | ginge: man you really were out of luck. that sucks |
| 22:41.07 | Marajin | 3.20 is a bit silly but yeah |
| 22:41.07 | ginge | Marajin: and that was a cheap pub |
| 22:41.12 | Marajin | 2.50 locally though man |
| 22:41.19 | ginge | thats still scandal |
| 22:41.32 | Marajin | apparently there's pubs in wales that do 50p pints at christmas |
| 22:41.36 | ginge | dcordes: yeah, sucks a lot. I am going to order another on in the interim |
| 22:41.55 | Marajin | ginge: Careful, you'll end up with 2... |
| 22:42.02 | ginge | Marajin: thats not so bad |
| 22:42.10 | ginge | Marajin: technically I will end up with three |
| 22:42.12 | Marajin | you have the cash to spare? :P |
| 22:42.18 | ginge | Marajin: yeah |
| 22:42.23 | Marajin | rich bastard :P |
| 22:42.30 | ginge | no, I don't drink :) |
| 22:42.35 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:42.39 | Marajin | Neither do I regularily |
| 22:43.04 | Marajin | doctor's orders remember? |
| 22:43.14 | Marajin | I only get pissed up on special occasions otherwise |
| 22:43.25 | ginge | 1 beagleboard == 15 pints including taxis home |
| 22:43.38 | Marajin | dude, you haven't got a walking distance pub? |
| 22:43.48 | ginge | Marajin: not one where I won't get stabbed |
| 22:43.52 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 22:44.05 | Marajin | yeha with you, may not worth risking it ;) |
| 22:44.07 | Marajin | still |
| 22:44.09 | ginge | lolo |
| 22:44.14 | Marajin | I don't do pub drinking |
| 22:44.17 | Marajin | it is overpriced |
| 22:44.45 | Marajin | for 2 pints at a pub I can buy enough vodka to be plonkered nearly at a supermarket for example |
| 22:45.37 | Marajin | for 4 pints I can buy enough tolerable whiskey to be noteably plonkered |
| 22:45.57 | ginge | meh |
| 22:46.03 | ginge | I would rather buy gadgets |
| 22:46.20 | ali1234 | supermarket vodka tastes like industrial solvent and probably is about as bad for you |
| 22:46.22 | Marajin | and for 10-12 pints (which is kinda what Ican get to on beer).. well I'd be up to buying very nice whisky |
| 22:46.27 | ginge | ali1234: true true |
| 22:46.29 | Marajin | ali1234: that's smirnoff dude |
| 22:46.53 | dcordes | omg supermarket wodka |
| 22:46.54 | dcordes | zaranov |
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| 22:47.21 | dcordes | I'd rather drink disinfectant |
| 22:47.26 | Marajin | heh |
| 22:47.28 | ginge | dcordes: probably taste better |
| 22:47.31 | Marajin | rue that dcordes |
| 22:47.40 | Marajin | but yeah I got some smirnoff for this vapour thing |
| 22:51.22 | ginge | man i'm bored |
| 22:51.35 | ginge | I can't even hack on the phone as I'm expecting a call |
| 22:51.55 | ali1234 | but you have like 3 htc phones |
| 22:52.05 | ginge | ali1234: they are all flat |
| 22:52.19 | ginge | ali1234: not only that, but 1 of them doesn't have working radio |
| 22:52.44 | ali1234 | do that router stuff then |
| 22:52.59 | ginge | cant be arsed |
| 22:53.39 | ginge | I might make a start on the ncurses phone |
| 22:55.24 | ginge | ever used CDK? |
| 22:55.45 | dcordes | what's that? |
| 22:56.26 | ginge | ncurses dev kit |
| 23:00.02 | dcordes | not me |
| 23:00.11 | dcordes | never used any dev kit :p |
| 23:03.58 | dcordes | usb 2.0 is quite luxurious on the beagle |
| 23:04.14 | dcordes | ls |
| 23:04.48 | dcordes | wrong keyboard |
| 23:04.50 | ginge | . |
| 23:04.50 | ginge | .. |
| 23:04.50 | ginge | dcordes favoute porn.jpg |
| 23:04.50 | ginge | more porn.jpg |
| 23:04.50 | ginge | animals.jpg |
| 23:04.51 | ginge | dcordes@local: |
| 23:05.44 | dcordes | almost just that it is root@beagle |
| 23:05.50 | ginge | lol |
| 23:06.27 | ginge | you should create a lower priv user before you hose it :) |
| 23:09.40 | ginge | Marajin: have you seen carphone whorehouse giving away free mini webbook laptops with data plans? |
| 23:11.03 | Marajin | ginge: yp |
| 23:11.21 | ginge | looks interesting |
| 23:12.00 | Marajin | me->arsed(); // returns false |
| 23:12.45 | ginge | yeah, I already have a eee that I don't use |
| 23:12.51 | Marajin | bingo |
| 23:13.05 | Marajin | I just wouldn't use it except maybe divx pron in bed |
| 23:13.10 | ginge | rofl |
| 23:13.11 | Marajin | (my laptop burns my bits!) |
| 23:13.22 | ginge | kinky |
| 23:13.38 | Marajin | heh =) |
| 23:13.58 | Marajin | Well I do use my laptop for watching vids in bed but yeah it tends to burninate me |
| 23:14.07 | Marajin | if I had a small, cool device I'd use it for that |
| 23:14.11 | Marajin | but otherwise.. |
| 23:14.12 | Marajin | nah |
| 23:14.16 | Marajin | no use to me whatsoever |
| 23:14.21 | ginge | yeah. I just invested in a laptop cooler that seems hotter than the laptop itseld |
| 23:14.28 | Marajin | rofl |
| 23:14.31 | ginge | I swear it has burned my trackpad fingers |
| 23:14.38 | Marajin | yeah you've said |
| 23:14.43 | ginge | oh. old age ;) |
| 23:14.52 | Marajin | I clocked the bottom of my laptop at 70 C with an IR thermogun once |
| 23:15.04 | ginge | thermogun sounds like an intetresting toy |
| 23:15.18 | Marajin | it's like a radar gun but it's an IR thermometer |
| 23:15.28 | Marajin | point, pull trigger, temperature readout |
| 23:15.37 | ginge | yeah. I was just looking them up on b&q website |
| 23:15.42 | ginge | £30 |
| 23:15.50 | ginge | bit much |
| 23:15.52 | Marajin | they're expensive for a thermometer but |
| 23:15.55 | Marajin | so cool |
| 23:16.06 | Marajin | and you can check if things are hot without blisters ;) |
| 23:16.49 | Marajin | ginge: We can use it to check if dcordes is building up too much friction while viewing animal.jpg |
| 23:16.57 | ginge | grim |
| 23:17.02 | ginge | grim thought grim grim |
| 23:17.20 | Marajin | you love it :P |
| 23:19.25 | ginge | damn I wish sky would hurry up and supply me with some god damn decent telly. |
| 23:19.32 | ginge | 5 channels is enough to make anyone go insane |
| 23:19.42 | ginge | tv is soooo shit |
| 23:19.44 | Marajin | you haven't got dvb? |
| 23:19.55 | ginge | I have no aerial in this house so I get no signal |
| 23:20.02 | Marajin | make one man |
| 23:20.02 | ginge | well not good enough to watch anything without freezing |
| 23:20.09 | Marajin | what are you, a geek or a technoweenie |
| 23:20.10 | ginge | I did |
| 23:20.15 | ginge | lol |
| 23:20.39 | Marajin | DVB isn't fussy, an allen key jammed into the end of an RF cable works |
| 23:20.40 | ginge | I made one but you have to move it based on what channel you want to watch |
| 23:20.51 | ginge | you say that but I can see bob all |
| 23:21.01 | Marajin | I get all channels on that concept precisely |
| 23:21.07 | ginge | I have the aerial on a piece of paper with a key for which channels are where |
| 23:21.09 | ginge | like a sundial |
| 23:21.10 | Marajin | then again I can see winterhill transmitter from my window |
| 23:21.43 | ginge | if sky dnt hurry up I am going to motorise it |
| 23:21.50 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 23:22.12 | Marajin | that'd be kinda cool |
| 23:22.22 | ginge | why did I just watch that james bond movie. I feel dumber for having done so |
| 23:22.29 | Marajin | which one? |
| 23:22.35 | ginge | the world is not enough |
| 23:22.43 | Marajin | because you're bored I imagine |
| 23:22.52 | ginge | its like every movie they raise the bar, and each time it just gets sillie |
| 23:23.01 | ali1234 | DVB is incredibly picky about signal quality |
| 23:23.20 | ginge | next time they are going to have the watch with a shark in it, with frickin lasers |
| 23:23.35 | Marajin | ali1234: Not for me it ain't, anything over 40 % tends to work |
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| 23:23.57 | ali1234 | signal strength is not important, once again it's the signal to noise |
| 23:24.00 | Marajin | my TV will tune some channels sans aerial |
| 23:24.10 | ginge | I can get ITV without the aerial |
| 23:24.10 | ali1234 | i have 20% signal here and it works, because i have a rooftop aerial and low noise |
| 23:24.11 | Marajin | yeah I was talking about quality not strength man |
| 23:24.24 | ginge | but we all know how good ITV is |
| 23:24.36 | Marajin | I'm not sure I've ever had a reason to watch ITV |
| 23:24.49 | ginge | not without wanting to boil your own head |
| 23:24.51 | Marajin | ginge: I suppose if you can make it work could try making my tuner stream ? ;) |
| 23:25.12 | ginge | Marajin: naa, I will just watch paint dry. more entertaining |
| 23:25.24 | Marajin | but really I'd advocate just stealing some of my digital videos directly instead of streaming live TV ;) |
| 23:25.34 | ginge | heh |
| 23:25.36 | ali1234 | funny, ITV is the hardest to tune usually, because they pack in more channels, they have less chance of error correction |
| 23:26.24 | ginge | okay CDK installed. |
| 23:26.37 | ginge | what do we want from this textOS? |
| 23:26.56 | ali1234 | a contacts list and phone dialer |
| 23:27.36 | ginge | sms, or should that be a script? |
| 23:27.46 | ali1234 | sms? |
| 23:27.50 | ginge | text message |
| 23:27.57 | ginge | what about incoming alerts? |
| 23:28.03 | ali1234 | personally i would use SDL FB not curses. it supports touchscreen... |
| 23:28.10 | ginge | ali1234: ahhh |
| 23:28.21 | ginge | ali1234: good save, I was just about to read the CDK docs |
| 23:28.32 | ali1234 | maybe ncurses do too |
| 23:28.43 | Marajin | ncurses supports mouse input |
| 23:28.48 | Marajin | that may be extendable to TS |
| 23:28.59 | ginge | /dev/input should work |
| 23:29.14 | ali1234 | SDL has special input driver for touchscreen support |
| 23:29.36 | ali1234 | its also probably faster. curses is only fast when your video card supports vga text-mode |
| 23:29.59 | ali1234 | otherwise it will be blitting anyway. if you are going to blit, might as well use a library that is gear up for blitting |
| 23:30.24 | ginge | yeah |
| 23:30.34 | ali1234 | lets not forget you can make it skinable with SDL |
| 23:30.45 | Marajin | well |
| 23:30.46 | ali1234 | actually you might as well just use qtopia if going down that route |
| 23:31.00 | ginge | noe |
| 23:31.01 | Marajin | yeah but it doesn't work on the kaiser (yet) |
| 23:31.06 | ali1234 | why? |
| 23:31.16 | Marajin | Iunno, didnt spend time working out why |
| 23:31.30 | ali1234 | did you get an error message? |
| 23:32.13 | Marajin | Um I didn't check, I just built a bunch of images and flicked through them one by one |
| 23:32.20 | ali1234 | ? |
| 23:32.41 | Marajin | "Does it boot? No, NEXT!" |
| 23:32.46 | ali1234 | hahaha |
| 23:32.55 | ali1234 | that's completely the wrong way to go about testing anything |
| 23:33.01 | Marajin | I wasn't testing anything |
| 23:33.06 | Marajin | I was seeing if anything just plain boots |
| 23:33.14 | Marajin | WHY it won't boot is not my concern |
| 23:33.22 | Marajin | yet |
| 23:33.34 | ginge | has anyone figured X out yet? |
| 23:33.40 | Marajin | no |
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| 23:33.51 | ali1234 | so when you say "it doesnt work on kaiser" you meant "i couldnt get it to work in the 5 minutes i spent on it" |
| 23:33.52 | Marajin | tmzt said hal/om-image is needed to debug it |
| 23:33.55 | ginge | well, I might look at that tomorrow, after the inlaws have buggered off |
| 23:33.56 | ALoGeNo | hi |
| 23:34.00 | Marajin | ali1234: Precisely. |
| 23:34.11 | ginge | ALoGeNo: hello |
| 23:34.17 | ali1234 | so in fact, it almost certainly works just fine |
| 23:34.34 | Marajin | ali1234: No, it don't work, it almost certainly can be fixed is what you should say |
| 23:34.46 | ali1234 | nope, i doubt that there is anything wrong with qtopia |
| 23:35.03 | Marajin | ali1234: sure, it's probably the kernel. I think it said it couldn't lock the FB |
| 23:35.30 | ali1234 | right. that's what it said on wizard until i recompiled the kernel with sysvipc support, then it worked fine |
| 23:35.41 | Marajin | ginge: Do we have sysvipc? |
| 23:35.53 | ali1234 | specifically you need shm support |
| 23:35.53 | ginge | dunno. I only boot into console image |
| 23:36.00 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:36.15 | ginge | no, we dot have sysvipc |
| 23:36.22 | Marajin | probably it then |
| 23:36.34 | Marajin | highly worth building a kernel with it and trying qtopia then |
| 23:36.40 | Marajin | tries to bitbake a new qtopia image |
| 23:36.54 | ginge | can you try that? I have to do my taxi service thing now |
| 23:37.08 | ginge | bbl (maybe) |
| 23:37.19 | Marajin | ginge: I'll give it a shot =) |
| 23:37.42 | ginge | if not I will give it a go when I get back (assuming I am allowed) |
| 23:37.47 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:37.48 | ginge | looks at the thumbprint on forehead |
| 23:38.29 | Marajin | "Welcome to the cult of whipped geeks, please deposit your testicles in the recepticle by the door" |
| 23:38.54 | ALoGeNo | xda chnnel pls? :) |
| 23:39.09 | *** join/#htc-linux Miek (n=mike@unaffiliated/mikechml) |
| 23:39.16 | Marajin | ALoGeNo: whut? |
| 23:39.36 | ALoGeNo | what is the xda-developpers channel? |
| 23:39.53 | Marajin | ALoGeNo: Erm..... #xda-dev ? |
| 23:40.02 | Marajin | no idea |
| 23:40.10 | ALoGeNo | nop |
| 23:41.27 | ALoGeNo | ok np.. is posible put familiar or something without haret or you must use haret for ever (i read somthing that we have a bootloadr cooming soon no?) |
| 23:41.48 | Marajin | depending on the device yeah it can be possible to replacethe bootloader |
| 23:41.56 | ALoGeNo | in HTC universal |
| 23:41.56 | *** join/#htc-linux ellisway (n=ellis@149.254.192.192) |
| 23:42.14 | Marajin | wellI dunno personally sorry |
| 23:42.27 | ellisway | mornin all |
| 23:42.33 | ALoGeNo | ok np thanks :) |
| 23:42.38 | ALoGeNo | hi |
| 23:42.43 | ellisway | hi |
| 23:43.02 | ALoGeNo | Marajin: what is yor htc? |
| 23:43.10 | Marajin | ali1234: typical, topia image won't bitbake. uicmoc4 |
| 23:43.15 | Marajin | ALoGeNo: HTC Kaiser and Hermes |
| 23:43.24 | ali1234 | why cant you just use the image you used before? |
| 23:43.32 | ali1234 | it's not like you have to recompile everything over and over |
| 23:43.48 | Marajin | ali1234: I don't remember where it is, wasn't built for the kaiser specifically but it should be compatible |
| 23:43.50 | ALoGeNo | oh nice i have hermes, fucking ded driver ;) |
| 23:44.00 | Marajin | ALoGeNo: I know : |
| 23:44.01 | ALoGeNo | i hate kaise hehhee is much better :) |
| 23:44.03 | Marajin | *:( |
| 23:44.14 | ALoGeNo | kaiser* |
| 23:44.17 | ali1234 | doesnt matter, qtopia should be targetting arm-eabi which is same on all htc phones |
| 23:44.24 | Marajin | ali1234: Precisely |
| 23:44.32 | Marajin | ali1234: But I don't remember where the image was. |
| 23:44.50 | ali1234 | use babelO image then, geez |
| 23:45.18 | ali1234 | you might have to turn off tinyshm in kernel too, not sure, but i turned it off... |
| 23:45.20 | ALoGeNo | Marajin: the kaiser images of android dont work in hermes no? |
| 23:46.10 | ALoGeNo | i compiled my own image from linux and no result.. but i thing that hermes need another config no? |
| 23:46.12 | Marajin | ALoGeNo: I wouldn't think so, never tried |
| 23:46.31 | ALoGeNo | oh.. kk |
| 23:47.13 | ALoGeNo | what are you doing here?, what is your distro familiar? |
| 23:47.24 | dcordes | familiar is deprecated |
| 23:47.31 | ALoGeNo | opie gpe or maybe debian enbedded :D~~~ |
| 23:47.56 | ALoGeNo | fuck i use that in my old ipaq3600 with parrot :D |
| 23:48.04 | dcordes | angstrom is the mobile distro for the hip geek |
| 23:48.15 | ALoGeNo | :P |
| 23:48.45 | ALoGeNo | what is the most cool distro now then ? dcordes? |
| 23:48.59 | ALoGeNo | debian no? |
| 23:49.10 | dcordes | angstrom |
| 23:50.08 | ALoGeNo | i see that is coocking a distro like backtrack3 but is named HANDTRACK you can find the thread in the backtrack forum. |
| 23:50.34 | ALoGeNo | is for htc uni and is cooming soon :) |
| 23:50.50 | ALoGeNo | only haret at moment :( |
| 23:50.51 | ellisway | got a link |
| 23:50.57 | ALoGeNo | whait ;) |
| 23:51.14 | ALoGeNo | i read all the post and is serious thing :) |
| 23:51.16 | ellisway | i have played abit with titchy on my universal |
| 23:51.23 | ellisway | but not recently |
| 23:51.38 | ALoGeNo | hey your screen dancing a lot? |
| 23:51.41 | Marajin | ali1234: Aight, building with shm and sysvipc no tinyshm |
| 23:52.06 | ALoGeNo | i buy one by ebay and the screeen is a little dancing.. |
| 23:52.30 | ellisway | mine is fine |
| 23:52.44 | ALoGeNo | ok.. im back the pda monday ;) |
| 23:52.51 | ellisway | but i have built a few uni`s from parts that i`ve got from ebay |
| 23:53.28 | ellisway | only 1 that i`ve had with screen issues wasdue to the cable |
| 23:53.41 | ellisway | white screen issue where the ribbon was fractured |
| 23:54.04 | ALoGeNo | nono is only ... the scrren goes fron to back some 5mm |
| 23:54.36 | ellisway | weird |
| 23:54.39 | ALoGeNo | (sorry for my poor english :) ) |
| 23:54.44 | ALoGeNo | orgura |
| 23:54.51 | ALoGeNo | weird maybe.. |
| 23:55.13 | ALoGeNo | well let me search the post |
| 23:55.17 | ellisway | i`d try opening the screen houseing and make sure the connected is good on the board to the right as you view it with the screen casing open |
| 23:55.54 | ALoGeNo | here is.. http://forums.remote-exploit.org/showthread.php?t=5662 |
| 23:56.08 | ALoGeNo | Handheld Backtrack |
| 23:57.13 | ellisway | lookinbg now |
| 23:57.22 | ALoGeNo | im try yesterday to play debian in my universal but the fucking repository is crazy :P |
| 23:57.41 | ALoGeNo | the jigdo |
| 23:58.06 | ALoGeNo | dont download the file titchy-rootfs.tar |
| 23:59.34 | ellisway | i used the other rootfs |
| 23:59.53 | ellisway | the 1 thats been put together by 1 oof the bods on the forum for titchy |