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| 00:29.16 | Marajin | herriojr: Ah the sad life of the student eh? |
| 00:38.46 | Marex | Marajin: any problems with that ? |
| 00:39.00 | Marex | there is nothing sad on student's life :-B |
| 00:49.47 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:49.47 | Marajin | timing |
| 00:49.52 | Marajin | I was just typing a repy |
| 00:49.54 | Marajin | *reply |
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| 14:53.20 | Marajin | GAH |
| 14:53.23 | Marajin | I hate dentists |
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| 16:35.21 | Marajin | 'lo dcordes |
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| 17:35.02 | Marajin | 'lo ginge |
| 17:35.08 | ginge | lo |
| 17:35.28 | Marajin | bloody dentist injectons.. |
| 17:35.39 | ginge | been back again? |
| 17:35.41 | Marajin | kills my tongue/cheek, still feel the teeth |
| 17:35.58 | ginge | heh. Us gingers are all the same |
| 17:36.16 | Marajin | well last was just a checkup, today was redoing a filling and a clean |
| 17:36.38 | ginge | Last time I had four injection and it still hurt like buggery. They couldn't give me any more as it would be enough to put a horse to sleep |
| 17:36.53 | Marajin | yeah I just didn't bother to mention till after |
| 17:37.09 | ginge | brave of you :) |
| 17:37.10 | dcordes | I also need a good dose until it shows effect |
| 17:37.41 | dcordes | I could use a dose of something now because this beagle board serial connection is so driving me nuts |
| 17:37.55 | ginge | lol |
| 17:37.59 | ginge | at least yours arrived |
| 17:38.06 | ginge | mine vanished in Copenhagen |
| 17:38.14 | Marajin | "You mean you felt pressure?" "...No, I felt pain, it's the red hair gene, don't you know that?" "...um, no" "Redheads have other genetic effects that cause pale skin and an increased tolerance to anesthetic" "oh... I'll give you two next time" "No you bloody won't!" :p |
| 17:38.30 | ginge | lol |
| 17:38.58 | Marajin | and then she whined that I should have told her that it was hurting |
| 17:39.11 | Marajin | and I'm like "look, I'd rather it hurt than be numb /frankly/" |
| 17:39.17 | ali1234 | my dentist always gives me like three injections before even asking me if i can feel it (by which point i can barely speak) |
| 17:39.20 | Marajin | I HATE the numbness |
| 17:40.07 | Marajin | yeah.. well it gets my cheek/tongue but the teeth stay.. so I was talking rather oddly |
| 17:41.31 | Marajin | basically what I hate is because you can't feel you can't tell what's going on, I feel like I'm going to chew through my own cheek or something |
| 17:42.04 | ali1234 | you know whats going on... some guy is drilling a hole in your tooth or worse. why would you want to know about that? |
| 17:42.14 | Marajin | well actually it's a very cute woman |
| 17:42.15 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:14.05 | Marajin | ginge: So anyway, how's it going with you? |
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| 18:23.35 | exco | I read a |
| 18:24.25 | exco | about a dentists where you could watch them drill the holes with lcd glasses and the dentist having a camera on his head... |
| 18:24.41 | Marajin | exco: Mine has a 40" LCD TV on the ceiling actually heh |
| 18:24.49 | Marajin | and a computer screen attatched to the seat |
| 18:24.52 | Marajin | it's kinda nifty |
| 18:25.01 | exco | so you know what's going on in your mouth all the time? |
| 18:25.05 | Marajin | yeah |
| 18:25.13 | Marajin | and you know what they type in your records on the computer |
| 18:25.44 | exco | "patient is complaining all the time... give hime some more shots so he can only mumble" |
| 18:25.52 | Marajin | heh :p |
| 18:27.50 | Marajin | they'llput TV and stuff on too if you want, it's kinda up to you |
| 18:30.17 | exco | so does it help? I mean I really don't like going to the dentist (who does?) |
| 18:30.41 | Marajin | nope |
| 18:30.50 | Marajin | But it's kinda cool they do it |
| 18:32.27 | exco | you could really do cool pranks with it |
| 18:32.39 | Marajin | with a video of someone else's mouth? |
| 18:32.45 | exco | yeah |
| 18:32.57 | Marajin | never saw the film 'hard candy' ? |
| 18:33.07 | exco | jup |
| 18:33.31 | exco | but he had it coming |
| 18:34.12 | Marajin | Maybe but I REALLY hate the girl |
| 18:34.21 | Marajin | she's like 13 and considers herself fit to judge people? |
| 18:35.26 | exco | I normally like the parts she plays but I totally agree |
| 18:35.52 | Marajin | eh she's ok in other movies, I don't outright like her but I certainly don't dislike her generally |
| 18:35.58 | Marajin | but in hardcandy the character.. |
| 18:36.03 | Marajin | twitches. |
| 18:36.30 | exco | no way a 13 year old could pull a stund like this... on the other hand - who says she's only 12 |
| 18:36.33 | exco | *13 |
| 18:36.41 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:36.41 | Marajin | true |
| 18:36.49 | Marajin | though the actress was only ~15 at the time |
| 18:38.25 | exco | 18 actually |
| 18:38.38 | Marajin | when she did hardcandy? |
| 18:39.47 | Marajin | ok yeah she would have been 17-18 at the time I guess |
| 18:40.48 | Marajin | wierd, I was convinced she was only 15.. guess she's just naturally er.. small |
| 18:40.54 | exco | 1987-2005 ... but maybe she was younger cause I can't find the dates when they filmed it... still the character couldn't have pulled it off |
| 18:41.10 | Marajin | Well it's very untenable but I dunno |
| 18:41.20 | Marajin | I've run into 13-14 year olds that are VERY intelligent |
| 18:41.34 | exco | but if she was like 25 it would have completely changed the movie |
| 18:42.03 | Marajin | yah |
| 18:42.09 | Marajin | but I'll never watch that movie again |
| 18:42.14 | Marajin | it bugs me too much :P |
| 18:44.49 | exco | darned... now I got a "crisp" pizza |
| 18:44.56 | Marajin | muahaha ;) |
| 18:45.07 | Marajin | chews his perfectly cooked pepperoni pizza. |
| 18:46.02 | exco | if I wasn't soo lazy I'd put another one in ;-) |
| 18:46.15 | Marajin | hands exco the phone. |
| 18:46.19 | Marajin | always easier ;) |
| 18:46.44 | exco | but not as fast |
| 18:47.00 | Marajin | by the time you've burnt two it's getting close :P |
| 18:47.10 | exco | :-) |
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| 19:07.08 | Marajin | haha, I do like Morgan Freeman |
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| 19:27.34 | Maxro | hi , is there any kernel working great on the HTC Prophetm ? |
| 19:27.43 | Maxro | *Prophet |
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| 19:39.27 | Marajin | ginge: Hiding then or just buried in code? ;) |
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| 19:40.03 | Maxro | sry did anybody answer ?! |
| 19:40.10 | Marajin | Maxro: Nope sorry |
| 19:40.23 | Maxro | okay np ;) |
| 19:43.03 | ginge | Marajin: I fell asleep |
| 19:44.11 | Marajin | Maxro: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2352349#post2352349 <-- Seems to be the Prophet linux stuff |
| 19:44.27 | Marajin | ginge: Who told you that you could sleep?! |
| 19:45.08 | ginge | Marajin: I don't think I had much choice in the matter |
| 19:46.56 | Maxro | Marahin: thx , i tried , the kernel boots great the x server also starts great , but i can't use the console because the prophet has got no keyboard |
| 19:48.35 | Marajin | ginge: Your GF put sleeping tablets in your drink? |
| 19:48.48 | Marajin | Maxro: No onscreen keyboard? GPE should have one |
| 19:50.01 | SanMehat | re: |
| 19:51.04 | Marajin | 'lo SanMehat |
| 19:51.07 | Maxro | Marajin: hmm i don't know , maybe i use old stuff or i'm doing something wrong |
| 19:52.25 | Marajin | Maxro: I'm pretty sure if you've got GPE you can have an onscreen keyboard you just have to find the right icon. |
| 19:52.40 | SanMehat | Marajin: how goes the battle? |
| 19:53.42 | Maxro | Marajin: can you give me a link or so .. ? |
| 19:54.19 | Marajin | SanMehat: Which battle be that? |
| 19:54.38 | SanMehat | Marajin: its an expression.... .. how are you? :) |
| 19:54.52 | Marajin | SanMehat: Ginge's battle for consciousness? My battle to get dental work done without them having giving me numb cheek and tongue withnout numbing my teeth? :p |
| 19:55.03 | SanMehat | ouch :( |
| 19:55.49 | Marajin | I don't so much mind the pain, I just hate that they numb my cheek and tongue while they're at it, then I can't talk without sounding likea stroke victim |
| 19:56.32 | Marajin | But anyway,I'm guessing the kaiser SD/MMC driver hasn't changed much since Ginge's knackered. |
| 19:57.00 | Marajin | SanMehat: How's your battle? ;) |
| 19:57.27 | Marajin | Maxro: Sorry, I only know that forum page. |
| 19:57.54 | Marajin | Maxro: The only other thing I can do is try to build oe images but I dunno anything that would need to be done specificto the prophet |
| 19:58.36 | SanMehat | Marajin: its going well :) |
| 19:59.25 | Marajin | SanMehat: Yeah? Achieved anything super-nifty-cool today? |
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| 20:01.04 | Marajin | Maxro: Having trouble with your connection? |
| 20:01.57 | Maxro | Marajin: no , i'm switching between KDE 3 and KDE 4 ;) |
| 20:02.05 | Marajin | Maxro: Very silly thing to do that :) |
| 20:02.33 | Maxro | Marajin: why ? |
| 20:02.43 | Marajin | Oh i just find KDE4 is a bit buggy still |
| 20:03.59 | Maxro | Yes sure it is , but i like the new plasma style :) |
| 20:04.16 | Marajin | Well each to their own ;) |
| 20:04.38 | Marajin | SanMehat: Oh btw, you don't happen to know if ginge ever did test if some of the images booted fully from initrd do you? |
| 20:04.44 | Maxro | Yes sure ;) |
| 20:06.23 | Marajin | Maxro: Well anyway, it looks like your best bet are to use the images made for the wizard I think, but I dunno how much success you'll get |
| 20:07.12 | ali1234 | KDE? |
| 20:07.21 | Marajin | ali1234: Settle down, settle down |
| 20:08.35 | Maxro | Marajin: Yes i think it would be the best , i don't real know where to get these images |
| 20:08.48 | Marajin | search on xda-dev forum usually |
| 20:09.06 | Maxro | thx |
| 20:09.07 | Marajin | I'm afraid I dunno who on this channel deals with prophet/wizard |
| 20:10.24 | ali1234 | Maxro: try the babelO artemis images too, i think the artemis is more similar (they both have no keyboard) |
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| 20:11.00 | Maxro | okay thanks :) |
| 20:11.18 | ali1234 | it can be found at http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/ |
| 20:12.32 | ginge | back. screw kde4 its pissed me off for the last time |
| 20:13.28 | Maxro | whats the Qtopia-artemis.exe ? |
| 20:13.39 | ginge | ARGH! WM6 locked god knows how long ago and now I have 12 voicemails |
| 20:13.40 | ali1234 | bootloader and kernel combination |
| 20:14.21 | Maxro | oki |
| 20:19.56 | Maxro | Qtopia-artemis.exe brings the error "undefined MTYPE" |
| 20:20.15 | ali1234 | then it does not recognise your machine i think |
| 20:20.49 | Maxro | okay |
| 20:21.57 | Marajin | ginge: :D I thought so |
| 20:22.09 | Marajin | ginge: You defended it, I knew you'd fall! |
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| 20:45.15 | Marajin | 'lo Zoolooc |
| 20:45.34 | Zoolooc | hi Marajin |
| 20:46.17 | Zoolooc | got to find a way to sync an older (yet just bouth, new) samsung phone in linux |
| 20:46.43 | Marajin | woo |
| 20:47.04 | Zoolooc | s/bouth/bought/g |
| 20:48.05 | Zoolooc | one of these experimental NFC models |
| 20:49.00 | Zoolooc | wondering if my wife now could detect RFID tags with this NFC functionality. they where not intended for sale, actually |
| 20:50.05 | Marajin | hmm :P |
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| 21:06.20 | ginge | god damn bebox. its a pos and I hate it. I just had to export the config, edit it by hand and then reimport it. Why would they have it so when you change the address of the router, the DHCP gateway says the same as before!? |
| 21:06.38 | ginge | with no way to edit it |
| 21:15.19 | Marajin | ginge: I told you that new model was a PoS |
| 21:15.40 | ginge | Marajin: gonna ring them tomorrow, I keep losing wireless |
| 21:15.52 | Marajin | they'll send you a new/different bebox I imagine |
| 21:15.54 | Marajin | and also.. |
| 21:15.58 | Marajin | ring them in 45 minutes |
| 21:16.10 | ginge | shift change? |
| 21:16.19 | Marajin | After 11pm -> direct to 2nd lnie |
| 21:16.20 | Marajin | *line |
| 21:16.25 | ginge | nice |
| 21:16.36 | Marajin | or it does for O2 so I'd guess be would be too |
| 21:16.53 | ginge | maybe they can deliver the 24Mb they promised I would get, instead of this ~*MB |
| 21:16.58 | ginge | 8MB |
| 21:17.07 | Marajin | yeah your SNR needs tweakage I guess |
| 21:17.12 | Marajin | is your adsl sync stable? |
| 21:17.16 | ginge | yeah |
| 21:17.28 | Marajin | how long between resyncs, d'ya know? |
| 21:17.37 | ginge | how would I find out? |
| 21:17.45 | ginge | knows cock all about ADSL |
| 21:17.55 | Marajin | I think the bebox's status for the connection on its web page will tell yo |
| 21:18.59 | ginge | SNTP Unable to contact server: appears in my log a lot |
| 21:19.18 | ginge | time serveris O2's |
| 21:19.23 | ginge | I guess they didnt change it |
| 21:19.44 | ginge | nothing else in there |
| 21:20.26 | Marajin | nah your connection status.. |
| 21:20.40 | Marajin | http://marajin.w-ww.org/dslstatus.jpg |
| 21:21.10 | ginge | Uptime:1 day, 3:46:09DSL Type:G.992.5 Annex M US 56Bandwidth (Up/Down) [kbps/kbps]:1,187 / 6,021Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [kB/kB]:0.00 / 0.00 |
| 21:21.20 | Marajin | :D 10 GB in 25 hours |
| 21:21.24 | Marajin | I'm a naughty naughty man |
| 21:21.40 | Marajin | ah you're topping 24 hours |
| 21:21.51 | Marajin | yep phone 'em and ask them to go to an SNR of 6 if you're not already |
| 21:21.53 | Marajin | 6db |
| 21:22.10 | ginge | heh you have the same menu layout as me |
| 21:22.14 | ginge | i.e wank |
| 21:22.18 | Marajin | nods. |
| 21:22.28 | Marajin | the web layout is just a rebranded be one, and it's shite |
| 21:23.00 | Marajin | ...yow my sync rate is a bit dodgy there actually |
| 21:23.17 | Marajin | but you've synced aaat... 1.1/6 ? |
| 21:23.20 | Marajin | ow |
| 21:23.30 | ginge | thats poo, right? |
| 21:23.40 | Marajin | you have 6Mbps down 1.1Mbps up |
| 21:23.42 | ginge | considering they were bleating on about highest speed |
| 21:23.49 | Marajin | I can get 20/2 |
| 21:24.16 | Marajin | yeah, if you're syncing tHAT badly though man your phones are fucked |
| 21:24.25 | Marajin | *phonelines |
| 21:24.32 | ginge | I live in a new house |
| 21:24.35 | Marajin | izzit in the master socket? |
| 21:24.42 | ginge | yes, right on it. |
| 21:24.48 | Espenfjo | This is fun.. Four different sources, three different FB adresses for the diamond |
| 21:24.49 | Marajin | and you've filtered all sockets? |
| 21:24.56 | Marajin | Espenfjo: You love it :D |
| 21:25.01 | ginge | there is only one socket |
| 21:25.01 | Espenfjo | Yeah :P |
| 21:25.10 | Marajin | ginge: you have no slave sockets in your house? |
| 21:25.32 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, but its in a dumb place and we wont use it |
| 21:26.00 | Marajin | hmm do you have a bunch of splitters or something on the main socket then? |
| 21:26.06 | Marajin | ADSL is sadly sensitive to things like that |
| 21:26.07 | ginge | Marajin: no, just the bebox |
| 21:26.16 | ginge | dont even have a phone |
| 21:26.21 | Marajin | hah |
| 21:26.22 | Marajin | ok |
| 21:26.23 | Marajin | hmm |
| 21:26.25 | ginge | I only got the line for dsl |
| 21:26.39 | Marajin | well if it's syncing that badly you basically probably have something very wrong with your phoneline |
| 21:26.43 | Marajin | or your SNR is nuts |
| 21:26.52 | Marajin | or your modulation is wrong I guess but |
| 21:27.09 | ginge | I will give them a call because most of what you just said went right over my head |
| 21:27.24 | ginge | I got the SNR part :) |
| 21:27.38 | ginge | Data Transferred (Sent/Received) [MB/MB]:47.74 / 558.35 :) |
| 21:27.47 | ginge | heavy user |
| 21:28.02 | Marajin | you've used 560megs in a day and a bit |
| 21:28.09 | Marajin | I've used 10 GIGS in that :P |
| 21:28.18 | ginge | about 300 megs of that was some KDE4.1 updates |
| 21:28.34 | Marajin | I've used about 6 gigs of upstream in fact I thin |
| 21:29.27 | Marajin | ginge: Anyway, no your modulation is fine, same as mine in fact.. |
| 21:29.36 | Marajin | so it's down to SNR and crappy line |
| 21:29.44 | Marajin | and/or shite bebox ;) |
| 21:29.46 | ginge | how do you know about the modulation? |
| 21:30.02 | Marajin | because you've c/p'd it earlier |
| 21:30.19 | ginge | is that the annex junk? |
| 21:30.20 | Marajin | "G.992.5 Annex M US 56" |
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| 21:35.40 | Marajin | yo dzo |
| 21:35.54 | dzo | hi Marajin hows things |
| 21:36.04 | Marajin | Not too bad not too bad, yourself? |
| 21:36.05 | ginge | dzo: lo |
| 21:36.52 | dzo | good, been trying to get sound working on vogue, nearly there now, same with power collapse |
| 21:37.24 | dzo | I know how it works, just have to implement it all correctly. should be the same for kaiser |
| 21:38.26 | Marajin | dzo: Sssh, Ginge'll glomp you ;) |
| 21:39.07 | ginge | glomp? is that a real word? |
| 21:39.09 | dzo | glomp? |
| 21:39.17 | Marajin | Kinda |
| 21:39.21 | Marajin | it's like a running tackle-hug |
| 21:39.29 | ginge | heh |
| 21:39.40 | Marajin | My GF is fond of them |
| 21:41.16 | dzo | you guys got anything else working? i've been away for the last couple of weeks? |
| 21:41.35 | ginge | dzo: not really. Trying to resolve some issues with the existing codebase |
| 21:41.45 | ginge | dma is still b0rked in mmc |
| 21:41.48 | ginge | etc |
| 21:43.00 | dzo | it works for me, have you got udelays in the dma code and positive edge triggered irqs working? |
| 21:43.18 | ginge | dzo: yes, but it seems to be a double issue |
| 21:43.30 | dzo | what goes wrong? |
| 21:43.31 | ginge | falling edge irqs seem to work better for sd booting, and |
| 21:43.35 | ginge | ... |
| 21:43.44 | ginge | the delay seems to vary based on cpu load |
| 21:44.18 | ginge | there is a short transfer while writing or the dma times out even though the data seems to be complete in dma |
| 21:44.32 | dzo | it just hangs when i try falling edge (also hardware doesn't seem to support it) |
| 21:44.39 | ginge | dzo: odd |
| 21:45.04 | ginge | how different *are* our chipsets? It thought it was just CDMA |
| 21:45.46 | Marajin | Fairly sure everyone is of that opinion except perhaps QC |
| 21:45.54 | dzo | they should be the same but there are differences, there's and mdp register missing on my chipset for some reason. |
| 21:46.46 | ginge | I am fairly sure we have the irq/vic setup very wrong on our device |
| 21:46.53 | dzo | what clock speed are you using? |
| 21:47.04 | ginge | for mmc? |
| 21:47.22 | ginge | 10000 to 25000000 and anything inbetween. All fails |
| 21:47.44 | ginge | 100000 even |
| 21:48.06 | dzo | i'm pretty sure the vic is OK on my machine, i spent lots of time investigating how it works, 32000000 works well for me. |
| 21:48.56 | ginge | yeah, I am getting near the stage where I am going to have to work out how the vic is differnt on our device |
| 21:50.08 | dzo | how do you do level triggering? there is a type reg that enables it and then I AND the status reg with the raw value. |
| 21:50.31 | dzo | to get positive edge triggering |
| 21:52.29 | ginge | brb, one mo |
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| 21:55.11 | ginge | damn kids trying to steal my new car. |
| 21:55.30 | ginge | back in 2 mins once I have called police |
| 21:56.16 | dzo | ok, i've got to go too. hope your car is OK. bye. |
| 21:58.11 | Marajin | ginge: I'll get the ammonia and the shovel. |
| 22:00.17 | ginge | Little shits |
| 22:00.48 | ginge | well the police are too busy with pissed people to deal with. Can't say I'm surprised |
| 22:04.33 | Marajin | ginge: Duh |
| 22:04.41 | Marajin | ginge: Hence why I'll get the ammonia and shovel ;) |
| 22:05.59 | ginge | dzo: hopefully you get this: yes, there is a type reg that is &'ed with a falling trigger |
| 22:06.58 | Marajin | ginge: Did I mention my garden ends with a VERY deep pond? |
| 22:07.05 | ginge | Marajin: heh |
| 22:07.12 | Marajin | ginge: We've speculated that it may be a coupla dozen feet at the center. |
| 22:07.49 | Marajin | bodys can be sunk! |
| 22:08.16 | ginge | that is very deep |
| 22:08.47 | Marajin | tis an ex mill/factory pond or something. It's ..large for a "pond" |
| 22:10.36 | dzo | ginge: OK 0 and 4 are the status, 10 and 14 are the raw value, 70 and 74 are the type (0=level, 1=edge). what I do is AND status0 with raw0 for ints 0..32 and that seems to work fine. |
| 22:11.01 | dzo | s/0..32/0..31/ |
| 22:11.05 | Marajin | ginge: about 30m diameter I think |
| 22:11.42 | Espenfjo | Bah.. ill give up this |
| 22:11.44 | ginge | dzo: thanks should save me some time debugging |
| 22:13.31 | ginge | dzo: one thing I didn't try was writing back to the polarity registers when the type is set |
| 22:14.29 | dzo | there are no polarity regs, thats why polarity has to be done in software. |
| 22:14.59 | ginge | dzo: right you are |
| 22:16.05 | ginge | dzo: I presume high low triggering doesn't work either |
| 22:16.31 | ginge | so we cant trigger on level, just edge |
| 22:18.55 | dzo | level triggering works and it looks like enabling edge triggering does pos and neg so anding with the raw value does only pos, I tried anding with ~raw to get neg edge but it just causes sd to hang. |
| 22:23.41 | dzo | ok, got to go now, kids are bugging me to help remake star wars.. damm be kind rewind!! |
| 22:24.02 | ginge | lol. Catch you soon. Thanks |
| 22:24.09 | Marajin | dzo: 'remake' star wars? |
| 22:24.56 | ginge | Marajin: mucho interesting from mr dzo there |
| 22:25.46 | dzo | I took my kids to see "be kind rewind", a movie about remaking other movies, now there's no stopping them. |
| 22:25.52 | Marajin | ginge: Honestly, I don't understand this stuff so much |
| 22:26.03 | Marajin | dzo: Much use of some video editing package and a DV camera? |
| 22:26.25 | dzo | yep, bye all. |
| 22:28.02 | Marajin | See ya dzo |
| 22:29.19 | ginge | well, i'm inspired to fix this damn irq issue now |
| 22:32.28 | Espenfjo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | Marajin | ginge: Heh, well I wish you luck |
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| 22:38.10 | ginge | Marajin: http://www.waronterrortheboardgame.com/ |
| 22:41.03 | Marajin | ginge: The page times out |
| 22:41.24 | ginge | wait until its not slashdotted. f'ing awesome |
| 22:41.34 | Marajin | right |
| 22:44.35 | ginge | Marajin: http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.waronterrortheboardgame.com%2F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a |
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| 22:45.56 | Marajin | ginge: ALSO won't load .. well it is but veeerrryyyyy sllooooowwwwwllleeeeee |
| 22:46.13 | ginge | really? both work fine here |
| 22:47.24 | Marajin | might be the GF leeching bandwidth |
| 22:47.28 | ginge | heh |
| 22:54.15 | ginge | "Stress - the condition brought about by having to resist the temptation to beat the living daylights out of someone who richly deserves it." |
| 22:54.26 | Marajin | ver' true |
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| 22:54.59 | ginge | Marajin: |
| 22:55.00 | ginge | Output Power (Up/Down) [dBm]:12.5 / 19.0Line Attenuation (Up/Down) [dB]:28.5 / 51.0SN Margin (Up/Down) [dB]:4.0 / 6.5 |
| 22:55.44 | Marajin | aroo? |
| 22:55.52 | Marajin | you know that's been mangled by irc or something |
| 22:56.00 | ginge | oh |
| 22:56.28 | ginge | Output Power (Up|Down) (dBm):12.5 19.0Line Attenuation (Up|Down) (dB):28.5 51.0SN Margin (Up|Down) (dB):4.0 6.5 |
| 22:56.31 | ginge | how about that |
| 22:56.45 | Marajin | hmm now we just have mangled newlines |
| 22:56.48 | Marajin | but i can deal with that |
| 22:57.08 | ginge | is that bad? and what shoud I ask for |
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| 22:58.24 | Marajin | hmm they tend not to go below 6, 3 is the bare minimum |
| 22:58.43 | hanno | hmm, anyone here oliver eichler? |
| 22:58.59 | Marajin | ginge: probably if you phone them now and get 2nd line they're not too stupid so just say you're syncing horribly low and wireless keeps borking |
| 22:59.07 | Marajin | they'll check everything and tweak the SNR on their own |
| 22:59.13 | ginge | ok |
| 22:59.27 | Marajin | you'll get disconnected or at least lagspikes during resyncs while they fiddle |
| 23:03.11 | ginge | is they based in Russia?? |
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| 23:03.20 | Marajin | ..no? |
| 23:03.25 | Marajin | o2's 2nd line is in leeds |
| 23:03.29 | Marajin | why? |
| 23:03.31 | Marajin | accent? |
| 23:05.05 | Marajin | they hire a lot of foreign people strangely. |
| 23:05.09 | Marajin | I've had polish and such before |
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| 23:17.50 | ginge | ~ping ginge |
| 23:17.51 | apt | pong ginge |
| 23:17.55 | ginge | hah back |
| 23:18.02 | ginge | didn't go so well :( |
| 23:18.13 | ginge | the call centre is based in Bulgaria |
| 23:18.51 | Marajin | heh |
| 23:18.56 | Marajin | apparently O2 have better service :P |
| 23:19.15 | ginge | they wont change any settings and if I want to change package its £40 |
| 23:19.27 | dcordes | aye caramba |
| 23:19.28 | ginge | I just got f'ed in the A |
| 23:19.59 | dcordes | good evening |
| 23:20.03 | ginge | dcordes: hi |
| 23:20.03 | Marajin | ginge: O.O |
| 23:20.15 | Marajin | ginge: O2 will change package just for asking... |
| 23:20.19 | ginge | Marajin: I can give my 3 months notice for free |
| 23:20.25 | Marajin | ginge: man that's fucked up. |
| 23:20.33 | ginge | Marajin: dontbethere |
| 23:21.28 | ginge | if I want a new box I have to pay £90 + shipping |
| 23:21.40 | Marajin | Jeeeesus.. |
| 23:21.47 | Marajin | why'd you go 'be' precisely anyway? |
| 23:22.17 | ginge | they said I could get about 18 megabobules |
| 23:22.46 | Marajin | they don't offer a service beyond any ADSL2 provider.. |
| 23:24.06 | ginge | it was the cheapest I could find with a fixed IP |
| 23:24.15 | ginge | I guess you get what you pay for |
| 23:24.15 | Marajin | what're you paying? |
| 23:24.19 | ginge | £22/m |
| 23:24.43 | Marajin | so you're probably er 3 quid cheaper than O2 or 2 quid more expensive if you actually have an o2 phone |
| 23:25.04 | ginge | yeah. O2 charge £5 for the static |
| 23:25.13 | Marajin | they do |
| 23:25.15 | Marajin | it'd be 25/month |
| 23:25.28 | ali1234 | why dont you just get a spare router out of a box? |
| 23:25.41 | ginge | ali1234: thats not the main issue |
| 23:26.00 | ali1234 | whatis it then? |
| 23:26.07 | ginge | ali1234: the issue is the connection at 6mb and real throughput at about 3 |
| 23:26.19 | ginge | and my upload is pure poo |
| 23:26.35 | ali1234 | so they are in breach of contract. send the router back and cancel the DD |
| 23:26.45 | Marajin | ali1234: They aren't |
| 23:26.46 | ginge | ali1234: no, "up to" |
| 23:26.51 | Marajin | bingo |
| 23:26.58 | Marajin | NO isp can be grounded on that |
| 23:26.58 | ginge | ali1234: I tried that on the phone |
| 23:27.01 | ali1234 | up to 6mb or up to 18mb? |
| 23:27.01 | Marajin | they all use "up to" |
| 23:27.03 | ali1234 | which is it? |
| 23:27.16 | ginge | ali1234: up to 24 the line test is an approximation |
| 23:27.16 | ali1234 | if you have a 6mb connection that is not up to 18mb, it is up to 6mb |
| 23:27.45 | ginge | its all still up to {insert large number here} |
| 23:28.32 | Marajin | ali1234: Man seriously, the legal grounding is quite clear. IF they say "up to 20mbit" you can get 1mbps, they're still not in breach of contract |
| 23:30.12 | ali1234 | but if they say "up to 20" and cap the connection at 6 then they are |
| 23:30.20 | ginge | no, they dont cap it |
| 23:30.21 | Marajin | ali1234: They didn't cap it |
| 23:30.24 | Marajin | that's the ADSL sync rate |
| 23:31.10 | Marajin | ginge: It may be possible for you to tweak your own SNR btw, I dunno whether the tool will do it for your version of the router |
| 23:31.46 | ginge | ali1234: its not hard to understand. They advertise "up to" 24, approximated me to "up to" 18 and I actually get "up to" 6 |
| 23:32.08 | ali1234 | so it doesn't matter which ISP you use, you will get the same speed |
| 23:32.23 | Marajin | ali1234: Heh, it does matter which ISP |
| 23:32.25 | ginge | ali1234: right, but I can at least pay a reaosnable amount for the service I receive |
| 23:33.25 | ali1234 | the only difference between the ISPs is what kind of router they give you... or you can just use your own |
| 23:33.35 | Marajin | ali1234: NOT true |
| 23:34.14 | ali1234 | how so? |
| 23:34.20 | Marajin | they control which ADSL standard they provide and what modulation bare minimum |
| 23:34.25 | ali1234 | is it a BT line? |
| 23:34.46 | Marajin | it's ADSL, yes it's a BT Line, foregone conclusion |
| 23:34.52 | ginge | yeah |
| 23:35.35 | ali1234 | then you might be able to get BT to look at the line quality |
| 23:35.41 | Marajin | you can |
| 23:35.45 | ginge | I did the quiet line test |
| 23:35.49 | Marajin | but the ISP have to request it usually |
| 23:38.22 | ginge | so is there any benefit to me being on adsl2+ as opposed to v1 |
| 23:38.40 | Marajin | well yes |
| 23:38.45 | Marajin | v1 can't do more than 8mbps |
| 23:38.58 | ginge | well I get 6, so... ? |
| 23:39.19 | Marajin | ginge: The router will tell you what adsl standard it's using I think |
| 23:42.51 | Marajin | hmm I swear it used to do.. |
| 23:42.56 | Marajin | mine doesn't on this firmware |
| 23:44.04 | Marajin | ginge: You can get the telnet on your bebox yes? |
| 23:44.09 | ginge | yeah |
| 23:44.39 | Marajin | log in and type xdsl info |
| 23:44.53 | ginge | ADSL2+ |
| 23:45.05 | Marajin | well then |
| 23:45.13 | Marajin | you should be able to get 24mbps in theory |
| 23:45.35 | ginge | eh? |
| 23:46.53 | Marajin | I'm saying that it's not using the wrong ADSL type :P |
| 23:47.26 | ginge | but that wasn't me question ;) |
| 23:47.40 | Marajin | what did you want to ask then? :p |
| 23:47.54 | ginge | "so is there any benefit to me being on adsl2+ as opposed to v1" |
| 23:48.03 | ginge | keyword me |
| 23:48.13 | ginge | considering the speed |
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| 23:48.39 | ali1234 | it would me more useful to ask "would there be any benefit to being on v1 or 2" and the answer is no |
| 23:49.19 | ginge | ali1234: thats still not the question I asked ;) |
| 23:49.31 | ali1234 | the answer to your question is also no |
| 23:49.41 | ginge | ok |
| 23:50.47 | ali1234 | actually you might get better upload speeds, i dont know |
| 23:51.41 | ali1234 | probably not though. have you tried the test socket? |
| 23:52.08 | Marajin | ginge: Ah no but you shouldn't get 6 |
| 23:52.24 | ginge | Marajin: now you have me confused |
| 23:52.36 | ginge | ali1234: the faceplate doesn't come off |
| 23:53.37 | Marajin | le sigh |
| 23:53.38 | Marajin | ok |
| 23:53.56 | Marajin | you're getting 6mbps because of some fubar, there's no legitimate reason for you to be stuck at that speed |
| 23:54.18 | ginge | lol. sorry :) |
| 23:54.19 | Espenfjo | !lastlog seen |
| 23:54.21 | Espenfjo | oh |
| 23:54.22 | ali1234 | so they *are* in breach :) |
| 23:54.29 | Espenfjo | that should have been a / |
| 23:54.31 | Marajin | ali1234: Not really no |
| 23:54.43 | Marajin | you might get them on failure to supply reasonable service though |
| 23:55.12 | ginge | but they say my line can only support 6 now |
| 23:55.21 | Marajin | did they say why? |
| 23:55.31 | ginge | because I am 2.3km from the exchange |
| 23:55.38 | Marajin | ... |
| 23:55.43 | ali1234 | surely that is bait and switch if they said 18 before |
| 23:55.44 | Marajin | rolls around the floor laughing. |
| 23:56.26 | ginge | Marajin: whats the joke? |
| 23:56.42 | Marajin | um ADSL2+ is good for at least twice that |
| 23:56.44 | Marajin | if not 3 time |
| 23:57.27 | Marajin | 6-7 km in urban coverage basically |
| 23:57.43 | ginge | ok, I need to read up about this. I am super confused |
| 23:57.51 | Marajin | Basically |
| 23:57.55 | Marajin | they just lied to you |
| 23:59.06 | ginge | hmm |
