| 00:15.09 | tmzt | hey |
| 00:16.40 | ginge | tmzt: hi, so I read some of the backlog about you guys trying to get X and fb working... |
| 00:17.25 | ginge | there isn't anything interesting in the fb code that would be specific to android, at least not that I can see. |
| 00:17.44 | ginge | so... are you guys trying to boot off SD or initrd to get X up? |
| 00:18.21 | tmzt | yeah, theres a pan ioctl apparently used by android to swap buffers, the have more virtual yres to allocate the second buffer |
| 00:18.41 | tmzt | I think sd |
| 00:19.04 | ginge | tmzt: well that shouldn't stop anything from working its just double buffered, right? |
| 00:19.44 | ginge | also the resolution of the fb is queried off the chip through mddp |
| 00:20.28 | tmzt | yes, and that's right ... detected |
| 00:20.46 | ginge | so where is the problem in getting X up? |
| 00:20.53 | tmzt | it looks like a conflict with fbcon |
| 00:21.14 | ginge | oh, and the flashing underscore normally means it crashed dma in the background, just a different vt |
| 00:21.19 | tmzt | I would think that being on two seperate vc's would be enough though |
| 00:21.57 | tmzt | do you know how the fake vsync thing works? |
| 00:22.14 | ginge | fake vsync? |
| 00:22.32 | ginge | we dont use that |
| 00:23.05 | tmzt | in the msmfb driver, there's a fake vsync timer drive interrupt or thread or something that just pushes everything over dma |
| 00:23.35 | tmzt | the dma takes time so it simulates a vertical refresh interval |
| 00:24.20 | ginge | right, I know what you mean. thats long gone in the .35 |
| 00:24.41 | tmzt | .25? |
| 00:24.46 | ginge | s/.35/.25/ |
| 00:25.01 | tmzt | what do they use now? I'll look at it |
| 00:26.09 | ginge | its just a tasklet that waits |
| 00:26.32 | tmzt | all the drivers are still in arch? |
| 00:26.47 | ginge | drivers/video/msm/ |
| 00:27.16 | tmzt | I'm in the .26, that's not right |
| 00:27.39 | tmzt | is it htc-msm or htc-msm-2.6.25 |
| 00:27.57 | ginge | you need to clone a new android-msm.2.6.25 or use the git viewer |
| 00:28.12 | tmzt | git.android.com? |
| 00:28.14 | ginge | s/android-msm.2.6.25/android-msm-2.6.25/ |
| 00:28.23 | tmzt | what is dcordes using? |
| 00:28.36 | ginge | .24 |
| 00:28.50 | tmzt | we need to get over to .25 then |
| 00:29.01 | tmzt | maybe the flashing will go away |
| 00:29.02 | ginge | http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=shortlog;h=android-msm-2.6.25 |
| 00:29.16 | ginge | tmzt: you can use my .25 kaiser patchset if you clone it |
| 00:29.19 | ginge | I have the port done |
| 00:29.29 | tmzt | so it's not on ltg then |
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| 00:30.01 | tmzt | I don't have kaiser at all, just working from gitweb |
| 00:32.02 | tmzt | they've got partial dma now? |
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| 00:34.57 | ginge | sorry about that, I lost all keyboard input |
| 00:35.13 | ginge | tmzt: dma your last question? |
| 00:35.55 | tmzt | I though before they could only dma a whole frame, but I might have been wrong |
| 00:36.29 | tmzt | the vyres = yres * 2 is still there which I think is confusing X |
| 00:36.44 | ginge | virtual res |
| 00:36.48 | tmzt | yes |
| 00:37.16 | tmzt | when we changed that the flashing became less common, but he had old zImage today |
| 00:37.51 | ginge | did you change the address base too? |
| 00:38.15 | tmzt | no, I think it is dynamic, but we were going to allocate only one screen |
| 00:38.31 | ginge | I mean addr = ((pi->width * (par->yoffset + y) + x) * 2); |
| 00:38.33 | tmzt | we didn't change that tough |
| 00:39.17 | ginge | you might need to change that so it points to the fist half of the buffer |
| 00:42.35 | ginge | basically reverse this patch http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer |
| 00:42.49 | ginge | not the same codebase but if you read between the lines |
| 00:46.30 | ginge | surely doubly buffering is supported by X anyway? |
| 00:47.36 | ginge | anyway, I think it is crashing on dma. dcordes: can you try a small X in ramdisk |
| 00:47.48 | ginge | dcordes: I can't get X to load without dma errors |
| 00:47.58 | ginge | anyway, thats my thoughts on that. good night. |
| 00:49.02 | dcordes | can't sleep |
| 00:49.16 | ginge | dcordes: ah so you read all of that? |
| 00:49.20 | dcordes | ginge: do you start with the gpe-dm or xserver-nodm scripts? that also crashes dma here |
| 00:49.23 | dcordes | I just erad up |
| 00:49.26 | dcordes | read |
| 00:49.41 | ginge | dcordes: none work. all dma |
| 00:49.57 | dcordes | also if you only launch Xfbdev? |
| 00:50.05 | ginge | I can see dmesg with the dma errors |
| 00:50.14 | ginge | I willl try tomorrow |
| 00:50.23 | dcordes | ok |
| 00:50.26 | dcordes | Kevin2: still there? |
| 00:50.53 | ginge | night |
| 00:51.29 | dcordes | good night ginge |
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| 01:05.57 | tmzt | that's basically what we did except the pan step |
| 01:11.42 | dcordes | tmzt: back to ts: is the xev output ok? |
| 01:12.00 | tmzt | did you paste a second one or do you mean the first? |
| 01:12.14 | dcordes | the first |
| 01:12.35 | tmzt | you need to see if you get events that match where you press on the screen, I can't tell that |
| 01:12.57 | tmzt | but we need to fix the fb first, and maybe find out why the cursor isn't being drawn |
| 01:13.42 | dcordes | and the background |
| 01:13.58 | dcordes | did you notice my comments, I would see the background shortly as soon as I kill Xfbdev? |
| 01:14.13 | tmzt | yes |
| 01:14.30 | tmzt | but did you see the cursor where you pressed if you immediately exit |
| 01:17.31 | dcordes | it's too short, I couldn't tell |
| 01:18.00 | tmzt | did you have it stable at all before with the other zImage? |
| 01:18.04 | dcordes | it might be the unpatched kernel that's making it work less |
| 01:18.18 | tmzt | try fbset -g |
| 01:18.49 | tmzt | are you still on .24? |
| 01:18.55 | dcordes | if it's the one with the right patches in msm_fb it should show the vyres *1 rather than *2 right? |
| 01:18.58 | dcordes | yea |
| 01:19.09 | tmzt | yes |
| 01:19.21 | tmzt | ginge said the dma is different in .25 |
| 01:19.24 | dcordes | but I could easily apply your stuff in the ginge .25 |
| 01:19.37 | dcordes | tree |
| 01:19.43 | tmzt | right |
| 01:19.59 | tmzt | did you see the omap patch |
| 01:20.07 | dcordes | no |
| 01:20.23 | tmzt | http://elinux.org/Android_on_OMAP#Page_flipping_frame_buffer |
| 01:20.47 | tmzt | that's to make n810 work, so the opposite is what we want, according to ginge |
| 01:21.48 | dcordes | oh right he doubles the vxres |
| 01:22.04 | dcordes | and y |
| 01:22.39 | tmzt | only y, the *2 for the fb size applies to the full framebuffer doubling the number of bytes |
| 01:23.00 | tmzt | we still allocate two screens instead of one though, but that might affect the dma |
| 01:23.19 | dcordes | ok |
| 01:23.34 | dcordes | so let's try that |
| 01:23.41 | dcordes | in .25? |
| 01:23.51 | tmzt | are you using android-2.6.25? |
| 01:23.52 | dcordes | I have a local clone of the repo |
| 01:24.13 | dcordes | I have a local clone of the android-msm-2.6.25 repo |
| 01:24.16 | tmzt | that you patched with what patch? |
| 01:24.22 | dcordes | none yet |
| 01:24.23 | tmzt | for kaiser |
| 01:24.33 | dcordes | it's the clean google code currently |
| 01:24.49 | tmzt | what changes are needed to boot on kaiser, other than mtype |
| 01:24.56 | dcordes | the plan would be to patch ginge's code into it, enabling all of our htc-msm stuff |
| 01:25.26 | tmzt | are they going to not have the htc-msm for .24 and just have .25 now? |
| 01:26.53 | dcordes | he has a patch against the android-msm-2.6.25 that enables all the kaiser (and polaris..) htc-msm stuff, maintining the .25 base |
| 01:27.00 | tmzt | it would be nice to stay as close to android as possible so that the new commits will also work |
| 01:27.11 | tmzt | can you give me a link to that patch |
| 01:27.46 | dcordes | I need to look it up in the rikers log |
| 01:28.00 | tmzt | is that working? |
| 01:28.18 | dcordes | I think so |
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| 01:28.24 | dcordes | it's just no live log |
| 01:29.23 | dcordes | http://apt.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/ |
| 01:30.30 | dcordes | http://headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-040808.diff |
| 01:30.50 | tmzt | http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-040808.diff |
| 01:31.07 | tmzt | you got it |
| 01:31.18 | dcordes | I have a local copy of that one, but I think he updated it |
| 01:31.31 | dcordes | usually he updates with the same filenames |
| 01:32.15 | dcordes | I will just use that one |
| 01:33.12 | dcordes | ok went through fine |
| 01:33.27 | dcordes | now to get your ts patches over first |
| 01:34.36 | dcordes | brb |
| 01:42.08 | dcordes | tmzt: simply copied the patched tsc2003.c over from the 24 tree. |
| 01:42.39 | tmzt | ok, did you diff the originals from the two trees? |
| 01:44.02 | dcordes | yep only your patches changed |
| 01:44.38 | tmzt | ok |
| 01:44.53 | dcordes | so now to the framebuffer driver |
| 01:48.23 | dcordes | tmzt: it changed heavily, if I give you the patched .25 file, could you put the needed changes? |
| 01:48.35 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Hi |
| 01:48.42 | dcordes | Kevin2: hi there |
| 01:48.54 | dcordes | Kevin2: can you help me with kernel.git? |
| 01:49.07 | Kevin2 | What's up? |
| 01:52.21 | tmzt | maybe, but I'm still not sure what ginge meant by base address |
| 01:52.43 | dcordes | htc-msm is the htc specific qualcomm msm kernel code on an obsolete base. we openned it as a clone of 2.6.24 android-msm branch from git.android.com. now we ported the htc code to the android-msm-2.6.25 branch and therefore would like to get a new branch named htc-msm-2.6.25 as a clone of that branch |
| 01:53.45 | dcordes | Kevin2: if we take that step, I think htc-msm is going to remain unmaintained and can be dropped at some point |
| 01:53.49 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Where were your changes made? To htc-msm? |
| 01:54.29 | dcordes | the .25 code is nowhere on linuxtogo. we have it as a patchset against android-msm-2.6.25 |
| 01:56.11 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. Is htc-msm still the same as git.android.com (back when it was 2.6.24), or were htc specific changes committed to the branch? |
| 01:57.01 | dcordes | htc-msm has the htc specific changes on top of some at least 2 months old revision of android-msm |
| 01:57.20 | dcordes | both are still 2.6.24 and will remain so |
| 01:57.55 | Kevin2 | dcordes: So, I think you want to tag what you have and then try to pull in the latest git.android.com changes. You shouldn't need a new branch. |
| 01:58.26 | dcordes | initially, the plan was to have htc-msm track android-msm, but that never happened. we just had the static revision and worked on top of that |
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| 02:01.18 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Again, I think you want to tag what you have and then try to pull in the latest git.android.com changes. You shouldn't need a new branch. |
| 02:04.19 | dcordes | Kevin2: that sounds very complicated |
| 02:05.23 | dcordes | even if htc-msm was just some old revision of android-msm without the htc patches, it would still be a horrible fiddle to get the android-msm-2.6.25 patches into it |
| 02:07.10 | Kevin2 | dcordes: No - it's rather straight forward. |
| 02:07.27 | Kevin2 | It is what git was designed to do. |
| 02:08.20 | dcordes | ok, but I fear I'd need professional git guru assistance |
| 02:10.17 | dcordes | tmzt: shall we still try? (without the base address stuff) |
| 02:11.01 | tmzt | let's try the vyres thing, yes |
| 02:11.19 | dcordes | ok let me get you the file |
| 02:11.28 | tmzt | why does android have seperate branches then? |
| 02:12.47 | dcordes | tmzt: ? |
| 02:13.10 | dcordes | maybe because they are too lazy for what Kevin2 was suggesting |
| 02:13.28 | dcordes | or rather want to maintain compatibility for other people working with those branches |
| 02:14.22 | dcordes | tmzt: this is the 2.6.25, htc patched fb.c http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/msm_fb.c |
| 02:14.39 | Kevin2 | There is a separate branch for 2.6.25 at git.android.com? |
| 02:15.41 | dcordes | yea right |
| 02:15.55 | dcordes | that's what I'm talking about, we want a clone of that seperate branch |
| 02:16.22 | dcordes | we planned that |
| 02:16.59 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. That complicates things. If they have a separate branch, then you may want one too. |
| 02:18.51 | dcordes | that was my thought |
| 02:19.24 | dcordes | and ginge has all the relevant htc-msm stuff packed up in one nice diff against latest google .25 branch |
| 02:19.39 | dcordes | latest revision |
| 02:21.35 | tmzt | line 576: get rid of the *2 |
| 02:23.53 | Kevin2 | dcordes: I need to get some sleep. I suggest you send an email to the mobile-linux-discuss mailing list outlining what you want to do. Lets make sure there are no objections -- the actual cloning is pretty straight forward. |
| 02:25.26 | dcordes | Kevin2: alright, I will do this. thanks a lot for the hearing |
| 02:25.29 | dcordes | good night |
| 02:29.44 | dcordes | tmzt: ok, next? |
| 02:31.34 | tmzt | I'm looking, but I don't see anything, that stuff ginge talked about was bpp/8 which is 2 |
| 02:32.30 | dcordes | the duplicating the whole of it part? |
| 02:38.17 | dcordes | 5am I'm gonna get some more sleep, later- |
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| 04:53.38 | Marajin | hmm |
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| 05:22.33 | Marajin | hmm |
| 05:22.47 | Marajin | rmoravcik: Is it me or is the openembedded site/wiki very very poorly? |
| 05:23.04 | Marajin | It's not loading pages anything like inside a sane timeframe |
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| 07:38.21 | Marajin | grah, what the hell is wrong with openembedded.org today |
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| 07:41.52 | kiozen | Marajin: lol, that is normal state of operation ;) |
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| 07:42.28 | dcordes_ | moin moin |
| 07:42.29 | Marajin | what? not working at all? |
| 07:42.48 | Marajin | I can't mtn pull or access the wiki |
| 07:43.01 | dcordes_ | uuuh mtn |
| 07:43.04 | kiozen | partly working, it works in the parts you don't use it |
| 07:43.07 | dcordes_ | get rid of this |
| 07:43.15 | dcordes_ | I use git now for OE |
| 07:44.09 | zoolooc | hi there |
| 07:44.43 | dcordes_ | Kevin2: I tried to contact the ml and it won't let me. no authorization. |
| 07:45.02 | kiozen | Marajin: seems to be down, can't reach it either |
| 07:45.03 | dcordes_ | I feel left out please help :( |
| 07:45.17 | Marajin | hmm |
| 07:45.21 | Marajin | "requires the runtime entity 'kdepimpi' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variable" |
| 07:45.37 | Marajin | hmm |
| 07:45.39 | dcordes_ | never updated OE from kaiser. about time |
| 07:46.00 | kiozen | try to avoid it, too :) |
| 07:47.56 | dcordes_ | no luck with git OE either |
| 07:48.11 | dcordes_ | ltg needs a bigger pipe it looks |
| 07:48.18 | kiozen | think their server is down |
| 07:48.29 | kiozen | that happens quite frequently |
| 07:49.12 | kiozen | btw anyone noticed the new look at sf.net? |
| 07:49.58 | dcordes_ | openmoko inc or somebody else should come up with funding for a better infrastructure |
| 07:51.08 | Marajin | kiozen: Yeah it's crap :P |
| 07:51.29 | kiozen | right, weeks of work and it's still cheesy |
| 07:52.16 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 07:52.27 | Marajin | what's up with kdepimpi then? |
| 07:52.40 | kiozen | that makes opensource really appealing like a traffic jam to every user |
| 07:53.50 | dcordes_ | kiozen: did you ever look into tangogps? |
| 07:55.50 | kiozen | dcordes_: yep, but I am not in the vector map business anymore. |
| 07:56.17 | kiozen | dcordes_: If you hike a lot you will appreciate raster maps |
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| 07:56.33 | Marajin | mornin' ginge |
| 07:56.38 | ginge | Marajin: morning |
| 07:56.40 | kiozen | dcordes_: because the have the information in between the polygons |
| 07:57.14 | Marajin | ginge: yay for OE being borked! |
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| 07:58.39 | kiozen | Marajin: did you bitbake kdepimpi already |
| 07:58.42 | kiozen | ? |
| 07:59.58 | dcordes_ | what is that? |
| 08:01.02 | dcordes_ | esounds quite funny |
| 08:01.15 | Marajin | kiozen: hmm no |
| 08:01.42 | Marajin | kiozen: Same error anyway |
| 08:01.54 | kiozen | Marajin: what package needs it, maybe you can fix it by editing the bb file |
| 08:02.10 | Marajin | er I was trying to build opie-kdepim-image |
| 08:02.41 | ginge | OE is screwed? |
| 08:06.50 | Marajin | as always |
| 08:07.01 | Marajin | their site is mangled too so I can't get the wiki or mtn update |
| 08:11.44 | Marajin | sighs. |
| 08:13.24 | kiozen | hm, think it's because of that: DEPENDS += "kdepimpi" in opie-kdepim-image.bb |
| 08:13.42 | Marajin | well yeah |
| 08:14.10 | kiozen | and kdepimpi bitbakes for you? |
| 08:18.55 | kiozen | my guess would be that it misses the kdepimpi ipk package while creating the image |
| 08:19.19 | kiozen | but the guys on #oe should know better |
| 08:22.14 | Marajin | bNo it doesn't |
| 08:22.31 | Marajin | kdepimpi PRODUCES the error that kdepimpi isn't provided |
| 08:22.51 | Marajin | Which I find rather surreal |
| 08:23.18 | kiozen | lol, ok... I have to buy post-it notes to remind me to buy post-it notes |
| 08:23.45 | Marajin | kiozen: ...you have a HTC, whatcha need post-its for? |
| 08:24.27 | kiozen | nope on a FSC Loox n560 with nothing else on it than QLandkarte M |
| 08:24.51 | kiozen | s/on a/just a/ |
| 08:25.14 | kiozen | think you have to tackle down a geek at #oe to help you out of this |
| 08:25.26 | Marajin | I'm trying to but nobody seems active :P |
| 08:25.46 | kiozen | you tried free food and beer? |
| 08:27.39 | Marajin | heh |
| 08:27.48 | Marajin | I can't afford free food and beer |
| 08:28.16 | kiozen | wouldn't really work for breakfast anyway |
| 08:28.29 | Marajin | it's only breakfast time in _part_ o the world ;) |
| 08:28.57 | kiozen | yes but only on the other side of the disc |
| 08:33.08 | Marajin | heh |
| 08:41.43 | Marajin | shrugs and just adds RPROVIDES += "kdepimpi" to kdepimpi's .bb files which seems to help |
| 08:44.06 | Marajin | GAH it won't stop trying to use qte instead of qte-mt |
| 08:44.11 | Marajin | andI can't bitbake qte |
| 08:44.14 | Marajin | "nothing provides" |
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| 08:59.06 | Marajin | ooh I think I got it to bitbake qte |
| 09:00.08 | dcordes_ | ALoGeNo: are you alge? |
| 09:00.35 | ALoGeNo | sup |
| 09:00.53 | ALoGeNo | nop im me xD |
| 09:00.57 | dcordes_ | ok |
| 09:01.18 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 09:03.07 | Marajin | Damnitall |
| 09:03.28 | dcordes_ | it won't build qte? |
| 09:03.29 | Marajin | now it's trying to use qte-mt for libopie |
| 09:03.32 | Marajin | heh |
| 09:03.35 | Marajin | yeah it built qte |
| 09:03.41 | Marajin | and now it wants qte-mt for libopie |
| 09:04.17 | dcordes_ | tbh I personally have not much interst in libopie |
| 09:04.45 | Marajin | I'd like to be able to build all the images for the kaiser |
| 09:04.47 | dcordes_ | if I was after qt* I'd rather try and get the qtopia artems or blueangel working on kaiser |
| 09:05.01 | dcordes_ | I fear opie is unmaintained in OE |
| 09:05.22 | Marajin | qtopia sems to be buggered too |
| 09:05.38 | dcordes_ | you could try making the openmoko asu image |
| 09:05.43 | dcordes_ | best of both worlds |
| 09:06.33 | Marajin | oh? |
| 09:07.04 | dcordes_ | do you have an oe bugzilla account? |
| 09:08.35 | Marajin | no |
| 09:09.49 | Marajin | is openmoko au in OE? |
| 09:10.22 | dcordes_ | sure |
| 09:10.27 | Marajin | as? |
| 09:10.39 | dcordes_ | it's what freerunner is shipping with |
| 09:11.40 | Marajin | is there a metapackage for it? |
| 09:14.03 | dcordes_ | never built one |
| 09:14.08 | dcordes_ | would have to look it up myself |
| 09:14.42 | dcordes_ | you can always ls packages/images/ |
| 09:15.43 | dcordes_ | forget about asu |
| 09:15.56 | Marajin | there's nothing obvious about asu in there |
| 09:15.59 | dcordes_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2008.8 that's the real deal |
| 09:16.05 | dcordes_ | released today |
| 09:16.28 | dcordes_ | looks damn sexy |
| 09:17.26 | Marajin | noice |
| 09:17.39 | Marajin | but I can't update OE and I dunno whether it's IN OE :P |
| 09:20.01 | dcordes_ | :( |
| 09:20.15 | Marajin | but it does look nice |
| 09:20.18 | dcordes_ | I bet in the afternoon it's up again |
| 09:20.25 | Marajin | we'll see |
| 09:31.45 | dcordes_ | positive thinking |
| 09:31.51 | dcordes_ | bbiab |
| 09:32.12 | Marajin | Man if I tried thinking positively it might kill me |
| 10:12.28 | dcordes_ | ginge: I just went to the post office to personally pick up my second digi key catalogue |
| 10:12.57 | ginge | dcordes_: you will probably get more. I have 4 now :/ |
| 10:13.16 | LanceHaig | dcordes_, just read that openmoko wiki page |
| 10:13.25 | LanceHaig | seems you cant make calls with the new version |
| 10:13.27 | LanceHaig | :-) |
| 10:13.40 | Marajin | you can but it borks after several hours |
| 10:13.47 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: ha that's hillarious. on the moko phone? |
| 10:13.57 | LanceHaig | yup |
| 10:14.13 | dcordes_ | that's what it's supoosed to do man |
| 10:14.33 | dcordes_ | ginge: got one for usa, one for .de now |
| 10:15.14 | dcordes_ | lol accidently oppened a page which has sim card holders |
| 10:16.57 | LanceHaig | I was not poking fun |
| 10:17.02 | LanceHaig | I just read the posts |
| 10:17.15 | LanceHaig | seems they fixed it by removing the on off button for gsm |
| 10:18.28 | dcordes_ | huh what you say you couldn't make calls in the previous asu thing? |
| 10:18.59 | LanceHaig | If you read the page there are some known bugs |
| 10:19.23 | LanceHaig | I read the bugs and followed the threads there and they have fixed the calls thing |
| 10:20.50 | dcordes_ | now it just needs to work on kaiser ;) |
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| 10:33.36 | LanceHaig | yup that is all |
| 10:33.40 | LanceHaig | nothing much :-) |
| 10:35.25 | Marajin | nah! we'll sort that out easy! |
| 10:36.11 | dcordes_ | ok! let's do it! |
| 10:36.48 | Marajin | heh |
| 10:36.49 | dcordes_ | we just need to look at the source of the phone daemon and compare with msm7200 command sets |
| 10:36.59 | dcordes_ | e.g. we can find them in the dzo android ril |
| 10:37.02 | dcordes_ | it's quite well commented |
| 10:37.26 | dcordes_ | then we need to configure it to talk to the right device node |
| 10:37.49 | dcordes_ | as far as I understood it, kaiser handset audio is activated by arm9 |
| 10:37.54 | dcordes_ | at least with the amss we have |
| 10:38.28 | dcordes_ | so we don't need to care about that and just dial |
| 10:38.48 | dcordes_ | in the old gtk images, there's a command line tool to dial, written by harald welte |
| 10:38.54 | dcordes_ | we could poke around a bit with that |
| 10:39.06 | dcordes_ | but I don't know if gsmd is still used in the new asu image |
| 10:39.15 | dcordes_ | or openmoko 2008.8 whatsoever |
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| 12:01.59 | ginge | wishes he could tune into the Olympics |
| 12:02.22 | ginge | wises he could win a lot of money and dedicate his life to putting Linux on all devices |
| 12:02.22 | Marajin | ... the chinese are officially nuts |
| 12:02.26 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 12:02.43 | Marajin | can't you use the bbc wobshite currently? |
| 12:02.51 | Marajin | you're using a work connection or something no? |
| 12:02.55 | ginge | Marajin: not if I want to keep my job :) |
| 12:03.04 | Marajin | who needs jobs? :P |
| 12:03.07 | ginge | lol |
| 12:03.12 | ginge | clearly not you :) |
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| 12:03.41 | Marajin | I need a job but I can't have one so.. |
| 12:03.51 | kiozen | wishes he could get rid of all this xml bullshit |
| 12:03.53 | ginge | working is overrated |
| 12:04.08 | ginge | also wishes xml would go away.... and .net |
| 12:04.25 | Marajin | .Net isn't that bad |
| 12:04.28 | ginge | I changed department and now I have to dev for windows :( |
| 12:04.32 | Marajin | it pisses me off less frequently than java |
| 12:04.43 | ginge | Marajin: yeah java is really annoying |
| 12:04.56 | ginge | .net 3 is actually usable now, or so it would seem |
| 12:05.06 | Marajin | yeah I get on pretty well with .Net 3 |
| 12:05.20 | ginge | know anything about remoting? |
| 12:05.57 | Marajin | only vagueries ? |
| 12:06.22 | ginge | oh well |
| 12:07.03 | ginge | I can't wait to get back to the embedded department, win32 sucks |
| 12:07.16 | Marajin | win32 is pretty nasty yeah |
| 12:07.20 | Marajin | even MS admit that |
| 12:07.38 | ginge | not much option at the moment. We are getting fined per day for overrunning on the release |
| 12:07.55 | ginge | even my boss is coding... The horror! |
| 12:07.59 | Marajin | :O |
| 12:08.04 | kiozen | LOL |
| 12:08.06 | Marajin | but isn't that just making things /worse/ ? |
| 12:08.15 | Marajin | managers are usually so out of date with coding that they run things backwards |
| 12:08.16 | ginge | Marajin: time will tell |
| 12:08.27 | ginge | Marajin: I knew it was bad when he mentioned COBOL |
| 12:08.36 | Marajin | "It compiles! It compiles!" "...er should we tell him we obsoleted that code about a decade ago?" |
| 12:08.42 | kiozen | dooooomed |
| 12:08.43 | ginge | heh |
| 12:09.23 | ginge | oh well, at least its a different component he is working on :) no blame transferral for me |
| 12:10.11 | ginge | although the guy next to me looked blank when I asked how he does overflow and injection checks on SQL statements. |
| 12:10.21 | Marajin | ... |
| 12:10.22 | Marajin | zomg |
| 12:10.47 | Marajin | security nightmare incoming there ;) |
| 12:11.29 | ginge | oh well. not my problem |
| 12:11.55 | Marajin | truuue |
| 12:12.03 | Marajin | might even be a source of amusement |
| 12:12.14 | kiozen | sound like I should be happy with my upnp stuff |
| 12:12.22 | Marajin | kiozen: Probably. |
| 12:12.46 | Marajin | my last boss in a coding job heh.. didn't seem to believe in project management |
| 12:12.53 | Marajin | or in fact, /management/ fullstop |
| 12:13.28 | Marajin | he phoned up every day or two and went "how's it going?" |
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| 12:40.39 | Marajin | ginge_: Wb there |
| 12:40.44 | ginge_ | damn suspend |
| 12:40.49 | Marajin | no kidding |
| 12:40.55 | Marajin | china have too many people :P |
| 12:41.10 | ginge_ | Marajin: the whole world has too many people |
| 12:41.16 | Marajin | If we tried to use this many performers in the UK we'd have to hire London.. all of it |
| 12:42.04 | ginge_ | heh |
| 12:42.04 | Marajin | they had something like 15,000 performers already |
| 12:42.22 | ginge_ | wtf? |
| 12:42.26 | Marajin | seriously |
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| 12:54.25 | Marajin | 2008 in this scene.. :P |
| 12:54.33 | Marajin | the numbers are ludicrous |
| 13:19.47 | AlGe | Hi, |
| 13:19.47 | AlGe | is there still nothing newer than handhelds.org 2.6.21-hh20 kernel (for htcblueangel) available? |
| 13:22.01 | AlGe | or should I better use linuxtogo git repository? |
| 13:31.44 | BabelO_ | AlGe: Blueangel boot on linuxtogo git repository, but lack of mmc driver at the moment |
| 13:31.55 | BabelO_ | that s just why we did not swtich to it |
| 13:32.05 | BabelO_ | same for other device that use asic3 mmc driver |
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| 13:58.15 | AlGe | Babelo: thanks, and is there also some bb recipe? Just to start trying ... |
| 14:02.47 | BabelO_ | AlGe: no bb recipe |
| 14:03.01 | BabelO_ | just check out linuxtogo git or get snapshot of master |
| 14:03.09 | BabelO_ | and copy / paste ba subdirectory |
| 14:07.27 | AlGe | already checked out. |
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| 14:12.24 | AlGe | The reason for asking this is that I'm still struggling with my old (sound) problems. Now I stumbled upon an ude1380 patch (http://mailman.alsa-project.org/pipermail/alsa-devel/2007-November/004276.html) which somehow deals with the mixers. |
| 14:12.24 | AlGe | but 2.6.21 seems far to old to accept this patch. |
| 14:13.47 | AlGe | s/ude1380/uda1380/ |
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| 14:24.00 | BabelO_ | AlGe: what this patch doing ? |
| 14:25.19 | BabelO_ | AlGe: oh, there is recording option it seem :) |
| 14:26.38 | AlGe | If you continue reading the thread you'll see that there is some critics about "static" things, maybe it was not accepted yet. |
| 14:27.00 | AlGe | btw. it applies to linuxtogo.git/ hh.org branch cleanly |
| 14:28.34 | AlGe | dont know what ir does, renames lots of mixer controls, and the comment has someting about better audio mixing ... if this adresses the phone audio problem, dont know. |
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| 14:29.39 | BabelO_ | AlGe: yes i think it adress your mixing problem |
| 14:30.05 | BabelO_ | AlGe: i see that it is pH5 who do this patch, so it should work on magician and blueangel too |
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| 14:33.30 | AlGe | so missing asic3 support is now the show stopper? Is this already somehow worked on? |
| 14:38.54 | BabelO_ | AlGe: asic3 is supported on 2.6.26 but not the mmc part, and yes someone is working on it |
| 14:39.02 | BabelO_ | ~seen pH5 |
| 14:39.08 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@p5485C9E5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 6d 2h 53m 16s ago, saying: 'BabelO: none yet. I'm waiting for ian's tmio mmc driver to hit the MFD tree.'. |
| 14:39.25 | BabelO_ | AlGe that's his answer :) |
| 14:43.07 | AlGe | Ok, so I think I will stop fiddeling around with the 2.6.21 problems and try 2.6.26 meanwhile with some initrd |
| 14:44.24 | BabelO_ | AlGe: yes, psokolovsky use initrd upto 20Mb, so it should work this way too |
| 14:45.54 | AlGe | ok, I'll try to setup some convenient 2.6.26 build environment and start experimenting there. |
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| 14:48.35 | AlGe | BTW: what I was wondering earlier this year when I saw your mtd experiments: |
| 14:48.35 | AlGe | if writing to some fixed size file in the (fat formatted?) "storage" partition worked, would it then be possible to use this as loop-mounted rootfilesystem freeing the sd slot? |
| 14:55.03 | BabelO_ | not at the moment |
| 14:55.31 | BabelO_ | actually the strataflash can be used yes |
| 14:56.00 | BabelO_ | butno vpp, so no linux write, and i don't want to broke my phone :) |
| 14:56.37 | AlGe | of course not. I was just dreaming a little bit :-) |
| 14:57.32 | BabelO_ | AlGe: maybe we can flash some linux to the flash using windows tools |
| 14:57.41 | BabelO_ | and then boot on it |
| 14:58.20 | BabelO_ | AlGe: but for this you need same bootloader that i use on htc artemis, the bootloader which use sdcard diagnostic mode to boot without wince |
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| 15:00.28 | AlGe | I was thinking of some (maybe readonly, overlaying some tmpfs in ram for rw) access to the wm2003 /Storage folder. |
| 15:01.06 | BabelO_ | AlGe: i understand, that was my idea too.... |
| 15:01.16 | BabelO_ | AlGe: better is to get docg3 reading |
| 15:01.25 | AlGe | ?docg3 |
| 15:04.24 | BabelO_ | AlGe: yes on ba you have two kind of storage, one is strataflash, and second is disk On chip |
| 15:05.08 | AlGe | ahh, doc. understand. |
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| 16:00.04 | dcordes_ | Kevin2: ping |
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| 16:02.20 | dcordes_ | ginge: ping |
| 16:02.39 | dcordes_ | ginge: ever looked into wifi now that acx100 works with .25/.26 |
| 16:03.24 | ginge | dcordes_: works with .25? |
| 16:03.29 | ginge | drools |
| 16:03.39 | dcordes_ | ginge: okias told me so |
| 16:03.52 | ginge | nice. I wil check it out over the weekend |
| 16:04.00 | okias | ginge: acx100 working with lastest kernel :-) |
| 16:04.09 | okias | ginge: moment, i find address :-) |
| 16:04.12 | ginge | thanks |
| 16:04.31 | okias | ginge: http://xazz.no-ip.info/projects/gitweb.cgi?p=acx-mac80211.git;a=summary :-) |
| 16:05.28 | okias | ginge: or this is really similiar repo, both have support for .26 http://gitorious.org/projects/acx-mac80211/repos/mainline |
| 16:05.59 | ginge | what device was this tested with? |
| 16:06.12 | ginge | or developed on |
| 16:06.44 | dcordes_ | go, go, gitorious... |
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| 16:06.57 | okias | ginge: i dont know, but probably at least acx100 device working with this driver on .26 :-D |
| 16:07.09 | ginge | heh |
| 16:07.31 | ginge | not importan. always nice to have a base reference :) |
| 16:08.14 | okias | ginge: but i still dont get it, why exist two same repository (both have same patches included :-D ) |
| 16:08.36 | ginge | who knows :) |
| 16:08.46 | dcordes_ | the gitorious is for the hip hoppers |
| 16:09.09 | okias | dcordes_: :-D gitourious rrs export is really terrible... |
| 16:09.15 | okias | *rss |
| 16:10.58 | dcordes_ | git, git, gitorioouuus |
| 16:14.19 | okias | dcordes_: are u still here? |
| 16:15.21 | ginge | I think his brain wandered into hip hop land |
| 16:16.28 | ginge | okias: it looks like the acx driver will work in .24 too |
| 16:16.44 | okias | :-D |
| 16:17.22 | okias | ginge: probably, what lastest kernel is compatitible with kaiser patchset? |
| 16:17.27 | okias | .24? |
| 16:17.28 | ginge | so will we need the firmware for the sdio card to get this working? |
| 16:17.33 | ginge | I have a .25 patch set |
| 16:17.37 | ginge | using android latest |
| 16:18.26 | okias | i totally don't know :-D i just watching in rss acx100 driver :-D |
| 16:20.01 | ginge | okias: are you kaiser? |
| 16:20.17 | okias | ginge: i have kaiser :-) |
| 16:20.31 | ginge | http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/git-diff-2.6.25-040808.diff if you want to play with .25 |
| 16:20.58 | okias | ginge: maybe, but i need first compile arm-gcc |
| 16:21.08 | ginge | compile it? |
| 16:21.19 | okias | ginge: i using gentoo :-D |
| 16:21.19 | ginge | are you gentoo by any chance ;) |
| 16:21.26 | okias | :-D |
| 16:26.51 | Marajin | you know gentoo has binary repos |
| 16:29.13 | ginge | thats just not very cricket though, is it? |
| 16:29.30 | ginge | if you want to be l33t, that is |
| 16:29.41 | Marajin | no but it makes life easier sometimes :p |
| 16:29.51 | okias | Marajin: in case of firefox :-D |
| 16:30.14 | Marajin | okias: Nah it can actually binary repo /everything/ if you set it up |
| 16:30.14 | okias | *in firefox case :-D |
| 16:30.25 | Marajin | but firefox-bin exists in the main portage tree yeah |
| 16:31.04 | ginge | home time. Catch you laters |
| 16:31.06 | okias | Marajin: i using because compilation, but i don't much use firefox, then why spend one-two hours on compiling it :-D |
| 16:31.17 | okias | ginge: bye :-) |
| 16:31.39 | Marajin | okias: well I figure usually I just emerge stuff overnight |
| 16:31.39 | Marajin | heh |
| 16:31.46 | Marajin | my system can emerge -ue world in 6 hours |
| 16:31.54 | okias | Marajin: cpu,ram? |
| 16:32.17 | Marajin | quad xeon 2.66 + 1GB DDR2 ECC/FB |
| 16:32.27 | okias | Marajin: ath1700xp,1g ddr333 ;-( :-D |
| 16:32.35 | Marajin | on gentoo? OUCH |
| 16:32.58 | okias | Marajin: ntb gentoo: p1-133mhz, 16M SDR :-) |
| 16:33.16 | Marajin | I've done it on a 166! |
| 16:33.18 | Marajin | many years ago |
| 16:33.26 | okias | Marajin: it working really fast :-) |
| 16:33.58 | okias | Marajin: i just chrooted / on my pc, compiled and moved hdd to ntb :-) it's much faster than debian or anything :-) |
| 16:34.14 | Marajin | haha :P |
| 16:34.32 | Marajin | cheats! the baggins cheats! |
| 16:34.37 | okias | Marajin: :-D |
| 16:34.48 | Marajin | ten again, when I upgrade I just move the HDDs and then emerge -ue world |
| 16:34.55 | Marajin | I've not done a clean install for er |
| 16:34.57 | Marajin | 5-6 years |
| 16:36.42 | okias | Marajin: i last reinstalled gentoo after "fsck on /dev/sda1" it say something like fsck on mounted part. can damage your data... but i selected "y" :-D |
| 16:37.09 | okias | Marajin: i saved only one file from /dev/sda1... /etc/make.conf :-D |
| 16:37.26 | Marajin | rofl |
| 16:37.28 | Marajin | whoops ;) |
| 16:37.45 | okias | Marajin: about 12h reinstalling but all as before :-) |
| 16:38.45 | okias | Marajin: i have /home on server and data on different part. :-) (thanks god :-D ) |
| 16:39.36 | Marajin | I have everything on server :P |
| 16:39.42 | Marajin | Poor little perses does _everything_ |
| 16:40.26 | Marajin | file storage, web, email, database, games servers, plus my IRC/IM/general web browsing is in an NX session (remote desktop) |
| 16:40.34 | Marajin | and it does OE =p |
| 16:41.04 | okias | Marajin: what is "perses"? i didnt find this word in dictionary... |
| 16:41.18 | Marajin | it's the name of the computer |
| 16:42.19 | okias | :-D |
| 16:42.19 | Marajin | It comes from greek mythology. Perses, son of Andromeda |
| 16:42.20 | Marajin | the computer it replaced was called andromeda |
| 16:42.20 | okias | :-D |
| 16:42.37 | okias | Marajin: hmm, i have idea naming computers, but i dont have any ideas what names give to them... |
| 16:43.00 | Marajin | um you have to name them for network/dns stuff |
| 16:43.20 | okias | Marajin: then i just have notebook,server,portable,okias :-D |
| 16:43.23 | Marajin | I have afflawn, cerebus, perses, pegasus, andromeda, Xaphan, T'an-Mo |
| 16:43.32 | okias | lol :-D |
| 16:43.47 | Marajin | afflawn's just asilly name |
| 16:43.53 | Marajin | afflawn -> athlon |
| 16:43.59 | Marajin | athlon processor |
| 16:44.03 | okias | :-) |
| 16:44.08 | Marajin | actually it's an X2 6000 at the moment |
| 16:44.09 | Marajin | heh |
| 16:44.15 | okias | ;-( |
| 16:44.36 | Marajin | If it's any consolation, it runs vist |
| 16:44.37 | Marajin | a |
| 16:44.46 | okias | hehe :-D |
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| 17:00.42 | Marajin | yay OE is still dead as a dodo |
| 17:07.25 | dcordes_ | yo |
| 17:07.50 | dcordes_ | that's not good |
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| 17:19.51 | slax[mtk] | my new htc diamond touch screenshots :) -> http://www.slax.de/htc_diamond.php |
| 17:23.59 | Marajin | slax[mtk]: Ssh, you're liable to get lynched |
| 17:24.26 | dcordes_ | slax[mtk]: what sort of? |
| 17:24.49 | dcordes_ | you booted htc-msm? |
| 17:26.35 | slax[mtk] | Marajin: what? |
| 17:27.59 | Marajin | slax[mtk]: Plenty of people here want a diamond/raphael and they might be upset that you have one :p |
| 17:28.19 | Marajin | 9 months till I can get another HTC probably =/ |
| 17:29.59 | slax[mtk] | its my first htc. i buy it some week ago and i love it. :) |
| 17:31.45 | Marajin | I want a raphael (the diamond + keyboard) butI can't justify the cost at the moment and I'm not due an upgrade till april 2009 |
| 17:31.54 | Marajin | by which time the raphael will be outmoded |
| 17:37.26 | tsdogs | Marajin: *.oe.net is down, so please use the mirror to get updates and push commits: (from Koen Kooi) |
| 17:37.48 | tsdogs | * opensource.wolfsonmicro.com |
| 17:37.48 | tsdogs | to get updates : |
| 17:37.48 | tsdogs | mtn pull opensource.wolfsonmicro.com org.openembedded.dev ; mtn up |
| 17:40.00 | Marajin | ah nice |
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| 17:59.08 | ali1234 | ~seen revertive |
| 17:59.11 | apt | revertive <n=revertiv@83.119.75.151> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 66d 19h 53m 55s ago, saying: 'oops sorry'. |
| 18:00.55 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:00.58 | Marajin | ominous |
| 18:01.09 | Marajin | 2 months missing after saying "oops sorry" ? |
| 18:01.26 | ali1234 | hmm |
| 18:01.30 | ali1234 | ~seen trixter |
| 18:01.31 | apt | trixter <n=trixter@65-165-167-217.du.volcano.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 736d 20h 53m 45s ago, saying: 'an asterisk cookbook'. |
| 18:02.00 | Marajin | 2 years, we're getting better :P |
| 18:05.47 | ali1234 | these are the two guys who seem to know about wizard gsm |
| 18:11.13 | okias | :-D |
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| 20:48.41 | m0t3jl | Hello guys, I have this HTC Artemis (P3300) and I am quiet desperate.My Fedora 8 freezes every time I try to sync my PDA with it. So I wanted to try to sync it at least in qemu, but it seems I can't find the appropriate drivers. Which drivers should I have for win other then ActiveSync or the mobile device center (for vista(? Thanks a lot ^^ |
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| 21:05.02 | ewon | I'd find out why FC8 is freezing |
| 21:05.09 | ewon | I'd try a more uptodate distro for a start :) |
| 21:06.14 | ali1234 | i'd ask in a fedora channel (although they'd probably tell you FC8 is not supported or something) |
| 21:11.00 | m0t3jl | ali1234, why should it be not supported ... you obviously don't know anything about the development process of Fedora ... |
| 21:14.28 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I realised my answer could be considered rude ... it isn't ;) |
| 21:15.17 | ali1234 | to be perfectly honest i didn't think it was that different to any other distro. try going into #ubuntu and asking for help with 7.08 for example. they will just say "first, upgrade" same goes for #opensuse |
| 21:15.59 | ali1234 | i meant 7.10 of course |
| 21:16.16 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I do not think so, every one know that new versions have to be around here for about half a year at least to be considered stable - that's why I don't consider F9 stable |
| 21:16.47 | ali1234 | um well why is it on the front page of fedoraproject.org if it isn't stable? |
| 21:17.16 | m0t3jl | ali1234, you know what I mean, it's stable for freaks, but when you wanna actually work with it, it's unstable |
| 21:17.44 | ali1234 | if you want to "work with it" you are supposed to buy RHEL. no? |
| 21:17.45 | m0t3jl | ali1234, despite that fact, there are still updates being sent into F8 repositories |
| 21:17.57 | m0t3jl | ali1234, RHEL is a server operating system |
| 21:18.30 | m0t3jl | But we are here not to argue about that, are we? ;) |
| 21:18.54 | ali1234 | we are trying to make linux run on htc devices |
| 21:19.02 | m0t3jl | ali1234, ;) |
| 21:19.10 | m0t3jl | ali1234, does linux run on Artemis P3300? ;) |
| 21:19.17 | ali1234 | for what it's worth you shouldn't need any extra drivers for windows assuming you got the latest activesync |
| 21:19.25 | ali1234 | yes it does |
| 21:19.36 | m0t3jl | ali1234, what are the features supported? |
| 21:19.47 | m0t3jl | ali1234, and what's the risk? ;) |
| 21:19.47 | ali1234 | um... not sure. do you know what cpu it has? |
| 21:19.53 | ali1234 | the risk is none these days |
| 21:20.05 | m0t3jl | ali1234, do you know a way I can find it out? |
| 21:20.20 | ali1234 | any WM5 device has a nand flash chip which wont get wiped... in fact linux does not even have a driver for it, and cannot touch it in anyway |
| 21:21.12 | m0t3jl | ali1234, you have been talking spanish or what? ;) |
| 21:21.20 | m0t3jl | what's a NAND chip? |
| 21:21.36 | ali1234 | it's a flash memory chip |
| 21:21.48 | ali1234 | it doesn't matter :) |
| 21:21.55 | m0t3jl | ah, so it's still windows installed, but linux booted from them? |
| 21:22.00 | ali1234 | yes |
| 21:22.09 | m0t3jl | ali1234, that's cool |
| 21:22.17 | ali1234 | you should be able to boot from SD card actually, without loading windows first |
| 21:22.24 | m0t3jl | ali1234, but this is WM6 device |
| 21:22.30 | ali1234 | your device is omap 850, almost the same as wizard |
| 21:22.43 | ali1234 | "WM5 and newer" i meant |
| 21:23.25 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I guessed that but you never know ;) |
| 21:23.47 | ali1234 | what will probably work: display, USB, gsm (but only when booting from windows), maybe touchscreen and keyboard if it has one |
| 21:23.49 | m0t3jl | ali1234, and what do you get from knowing that it's omap? |
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| 21:23.54 | ali1234 | nothing else currently works |
| 21:24.03 | m0t3jl | ali1234, no keyboard, just touchscreen |
| 21:24.21 | ali1234 | from knowing it is omap you know the omap850 kernel will work on it, you know what DSP it has, and therefor what gsm driver it needs |
| 21:24.23 | m0t3jl | ali1234, how does the GSM work? |
| 21:24.36 | ali1234 | that's quite a question :) |
| 21:24.44 | ali1234 | you got several hours for me to explain it? |
| 21:24.54 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I mean, can I actually make phone calls from that Linux? |
| 21:25.09 | ali1234 | sort of |
| 21:25.26 | m0t3jl | ali1234, pls describe for me the term sort of, if you please ;) |
| 21:25.31 | ali1234 | you can make phone calls, but you can only hear the other person if you booted linux from windows, during a phone call |
| 21:25.55 | m0t3jl | ali1234, that's very convenient :DDD |
| 21:26.05 | ali1234 | and you have to make a phone call by typing commands like "echo -e "ATD3498734829\r" > /dev/gsm |
| 21:26.32 | ali1234 | and since you got no keyboard, that means you'll have to have it plugged in to usb to do it |
| 21:26.44 | ali1234 | cos there is currently no working dialer gui |
| 21:26.52 | m0t3jl | ali1234, oh ... |
| 21:26.57 | ali1234 | that's assuming your touchscreen even works, which it might not |
| 21:28.05 | ali1234 | there is a channel btw, #linwizard - but other similar devices are not really a priority. project page is here: http://linwizard.sourceforge.net |
| 21:29.20 | m0t3jl | ali1234, pitty, you could have said it's rubbish +;) |
| 21:29.43 | ali1234 | yeah but if i said that, the developers might get pissed off and stop working on it :) |
| 21:30.28 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I really appreciate the work you guys are doing here |
| 21:30.57 | m0t3jl | pitty I can't help much, except for donations |
| 21:32.14 | m0t3jl | ali1234, what do I have to do to try the current state on my machine? |
| 21:33.27 | ali1234 | hmmm... download a zip file and unpack it, and then run the exe |
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| 21:34.04 | ali1234 | sorry it's tar.bz2 not zip |
| 21:34.50 | m0t3jl | ali1234, the Artemis is not listed on the http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones site, why not? |
| 21:35.20 | ali1234 | er, because that page is hopelessy out of date? |
| 21:35.32 | ali1234 | wikipedia has more phones listed than that |
| 21:35.44 | m0t3jl | ali1234, so, why is the link still in the topic here? |
| 21:35.56 | ali1234 | dunno, i don't make the rules :) |
| 21:36.33 | ali1234 | also htc phones tend to get released under about 50 different names |
| 21:36.45 | ali1234 | so maybe your actually is on that page under a different name |
| 21:37.07 | m0t3jl | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Artemis |
| 21:37.32 | m0t3jl | According to that page I should be able to even run OPIE on my machine |
| 21:37.44 | ali1234 | yes of course |
| 21:37.51 | ali1234 | OPIE can run on any linux kernel |
| 21:37.57 | ali1234 | any linux software can |
| 21:38.05 | ali1234 | arch hardly matters at all |
| 21:38.29 | ali1234 | of course getting it to run, and getting it to work well are two different things |
| 21:38.50 | m0t3jl | ;) pitty it's not listed there on the site |
| 21:39.04 | ali1234 | well it's a wiki... you know the rest |
| 21:39.30 | ali1234 | there is at least one way you can contribute |
| 21:40.31 | m0t3jl | ali1234, and that is? |
| 21:40.52 | ali1234 | update the wiki |
| 21:41.39 | m0t3jl | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ArtemisScreenshots |
| 21:42.11 | ali1234 | right... none of that stuff works |
| 21:42.55 | m0t3jl | ali1234, none? |
| 21:43.11 | ali1234 | well the phone kind of does, as i said above |
| 21:44.03 | ali1234 | http://linuxbox2.free.fr/artemis/ |
| 21:44.06 | ali1234 | maybe it does |
| 21:44.14 | ali1234 | havn't seen that site before |
| 21:44.30 | m0t3jl | In the download section there are just two files: Qtopia-artemis.exe and QtopiaPhone-artemis-image.rootfs.tar.bz2, are those the only two I need to run it? Does not look like it ... |
| 21:45.05 | ali1234 | yes they are |
| 21:45.21 | ali1234 | the exe is bootloader and kernel combined image |
| 21:45.27 | ali1234 | the other is rootfs |
| 21:45.35 | m0t3jl | ali1234, well, I can test those two and then the one you sent, right? |
| 21:45.45 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 21:45.57 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I'll give it a try |
| 21:47.06 | ali1234 | be prepared for disappointment |
| 21:47.27 | m0t3jl | ali1234, pitty I obviously can't make phone calls with the first one ;) |
| 21:47.49 | ali1234 | you should be able to |
| 21:48.05 | ali1234 | in theory anyway |
| 21:50.14 | m0t3jl | ali1234, the wiki says there's no GSM available, but who knows ;) |
| 21:51.32 | m0t3jl | ali1234, the second one, what's it about? I can see kernel image there and some loader. Does it contain any applications? |
| 21:52.31 | m0t3jl | ali1234, one more thing, will it somehow screw the card, like erase everything on it? |
| 21:53.16 | ali1234 | no |
| 21:53.29 | ali1234 | you probably wont be able to even access the card |
| 21:53.58 | ali1234 | until you boot back into windows |
| 21:55.12 | ali1234 | the linwizard project page does not have the latest linwizard stuff.. that's at http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/linwizard/gizard-20080602.tar.bz2 but it's a bit more tricky to install and get it booted |
| 21:55.41 | ali1234 | and obviously it isn't meant for artemis, although it should work to some extent |
| 21:56.22 | m0t3jl | why is there the screenshot then? |
| 21:56.38 | ali1234 | which one do you mean? |
| 21:56.40 | m0t3jl | http://linuxbox2.free.fr/artemis/16_47_17-190508.jpg <-- that's my phone |
| 21:57.03 | ali1234 | oh yeah.. that's a totally different project to linwizard... never tried it |
| 21:58.12 | ali1234 | that's the same project as the exe and rootfs.tar.bz2 thing i guess |
| 21:59.11 | exco | Test: Aldi Medion Akoya Mini Netbook E1210 - PC-WELT <http://www.pcwelt.de/start/mobility_handy_pda/notebook/tests/169235/medion_akoya_mini_netbook_e1210/> |
| 21:59.19 | m0t3jl | we'll see |
| 21:59.40 | m0t3jl | I am now looking at the tux while booting the kernel ;) |
| 21:59.41 | exco | sorry wrong again |
| 21:59.54 | dcordes_ | m0t3jl: which device? |
| 22:00.07 | m0t3jl | dcordes_, HTC Artemis (P3300) |
| 22:00.15 | dcordes_ | Kevin2: ping? |
| 22:00.41 | dcordes_ | m0t3jl: you boot the babelO qtopia rootfs? |
| 22:00.58 | m0t3jl | dcordes_, it's this one: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/ |
| 22:02.37 | dcordes_ | m0t3jl: what does the webserver tell you when it was uploaded? |
| 22:03.01 | m0t3jl | 30st May 2008? |
| 22:03.29 | dcordes_ | maybe babel's is more uptodate then |
| 22:04.37 | ali1234 | dcordes_: got link? i'd like to try it on wizard |
| 22:05.20 | dcordes_ | I fear not. see topic for the rikers log and search for weblinks posted by babel if not somebody s present who can help you |
| 22:05.31 | ali1234 | ok i'll search |
| 22:06.30 | m0t3jl | ali1234, can you send me the link if you find one? thanks |
| 22:06.31 | dcordes_ | BabelO is the name |
| 22:09.21 | ali1234 | *sigh* anyone got a plaintext log? |
| 22:10.56 | dcordes_ | zgrep em |
| 22:14.10 | ali1234 | dcordes_: does http://82.243.122.54/download/mio_a701/rootfs/eabi-debian-root.tar.bz2 have working apt-get?? |
| 22:16.26 | dcordes_ | I don't know didn't try man |
| 22:16.38 | dcordes_ | Just debootstrap one yourself |
| 22:16.52 | dcordes_ | maybe I will fight hangover with it tomorrow |
| 22:17.37 | ali1234 | i dont really have the space... could use initrd i suppose |
| 22:17.45 | ali1234 | yeah... i'll try that |
| 22:17.51 | dcordes_ | no space |
| 22:18.02 | dcordes_ | what device also artemis? |
| 22:18.12 | ali1234 | no wizard |
| 22:18.15 | ali1234 | same cpu |
| 22:19.02 | ali1234 | not that it matters.. arm-eabi binaries run anywhere... omap, msm... does not matter |
| 22:22.17 | m0t3jl | ali1234, lol, when the display blackens from inactivity, it never switches on again ;) I have to restart the device ;) |
| 22:22.52 | ali1234 | yeah, lots of things like that need fixing |
| 22:23.16 | ali1234 | there is still a long way to go |
| 22:25.04 | m0t3jl | ali1234, I thinkg it's still worth thanking for ;) |
| 22:27.38 | ali1234 | hang on, can debootstrap do cross-arch? i bet it can you know... |
| 22:40.56 | ali1234 | http://wiki.debian.org/EmDebian/CrossDebootstrap |
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| 23:09.11 | exco | "explore with file manager" with synce-gvfs on intrepid http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=synceerrorew2.png |
| 23:10.15 | exco | sorry |
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| 23:56.49 | tmzt | exco: where did you get that? |
| 23:58.35 | exco | I accidentially pasted it here instead of #synce... but that error pops up when trying to connect to the XDA using nautilus |
| 23:59.12 | exco | (right klick synce-trayicon ...) |
| 23:59.37 | tmzt | no where did you get synce-gvfs I don't think I have it installed on intrepid |
