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| 01:52.53 | Marajin | meh |
| 01:53.16 | Marajin | Hands up whoever's tried to explain bitwise ORing, bitshifting, bitmasking and bitpacking to their girlfriend? :p |
| 01:55.59 | ellisway | lol |
| 01:57.34 | Marajin | ellisway: yeah, you might laugh, but could you pass me the headache pills first? ;) |
| 01:58.12 | ellisway | passes Marajin a pint and some pills |
| 02:00.01 | ellisway | i still have a firewall to build and install in the mornin |
| 02:00.21 | ellisway | and also want to try and run some more dumps on my new ameo |
| 02:00.34 | ellisway | dump mmu seems to have worked |
| 02:00.46 | ellisway | not really sure what else to dump |
| 02:01.18 | ellisway | also haret doesn`t know the handset it shows as a generic pxa270 device |
| 02:01.37 | Marajin | yeah well that's easy to fix |
| 02:02.07 | ellisway | still its a nice device |
| 02:02.10 | ellisway | although |
| 02:02.30 | ellisway | i`m already noticing the difference between the ameo 16gb and my universsal |
| 02:05.16 | Marajin | oh? |
| 02:05.18 | Marajin | how so? |
| 02:07.06 | ellisway | no vibrate |
| 02:07.27 | ellisway | and no light under the keys on the keyboard |
| 02:08.48 | ellisway | also the gsm signal on my universal seems slightly better in some locations than the gsm signal on the ameo |
| 02:09.05 | ellisway | that said i`ve had the ameo for less than 12 hours so far |
| 02:12.06 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 02:12.21 | Marajin | 16GB? is the ameo microdrive or flash then? |
| 02:17.16 | ellisway | microdive |
| 02:17.56 | ellisway | microdrive even |
| 02:25.56 | Marajin | hence no vibrate function :P |
| 02:29.23 | ellisway | heh |
| 02:29.43 | ellisway | but when u type on the keyboard u can feel ssome kinda reaction to it |
| 02:29.55 | ellisway | not quite sure how to describe it |
| 02:30.21 | Marajin | it's called er.. haptic feedback ;) |
| 02:30.28 | ellisway | almost like a force feedback |
| 02:30.42 | ellisway | k |
| 02:30.45 | ellisway | yeh |
| 02:34.54 | Marajin | It's quite silly :P |
| 02:36.49 | ellisway | still the feddback can probably be made into some kind of vibrate sort of function under nix |
| 02:37.33 | ellisway | meanwhile /me carries on fighting a hp d230 |
| 02:40.29 | Marajin | If you can make it strong enough to vibrate enough to be viable you'd kill your drive |
| 02:44.27 | ellisway | oh well i suppose its case of to have vibrate you need a bluetooth or usb device |
| 02:44.45 | ellisway | i no that some of the jabra headsets have a vibrate option |
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| 03:20.45 | dcordes | I wonder what that haptic feedback is good for |
| 03:21.27 | Marajin | dcordes: Gentle sexual stimulation? |
| 03:21.47 | eway | not even |
| 03:21.58 | Marajin | heh |
| 03:22.11 | Marajin | mind ya, did you see that PS2 game that comes with a USB thing that vibrates in time with the game? |
| 03:22.17 | dcordes | Marajin: up for testing some fancy rootf filesystems on the kaiser? |
| 03:22.35 | Marajin | dcordes: Um. from initrd or SD? |
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| 03:22.39 | dcordes | sd |
| 03:22.44 | dcordes | http://82.243.122.54/download/mio_a701/rootfs/ |
| 03:22.48 | dcordes | too big for ramdisk |
| 03:22.54 | Marajin | I still can't partition |
| 03:23.01 | dcordes | a guy in the xda forum said he'd boot the opie there |
| 03:23.01 | Marajin | unless you've found a way to do it from.. |
| 03:23.11 | Marajin | hmm |
| 03:23.25 | Marajin | could I partition it from an initrd d'ya think? |
| 03:23.40 | dcordes | the card? sure |
| 03:23.55 | dcordes | just get parted |
| 03:23.56 | Marajin | Does the angstrom initrd we have have the right tools? |
| 03:24.06 | Marajin | that's a no then? :P |
| 03:24.42 | dcordes | it doesn't ship with angstrom-console |
| 03:24.52 | Marajin | pah |
| 03:25.13 | Marajin | what's the thing to make it install it automatically when you bitbake? |
| 03:25.28 | eway | Marajin cant u partition it on another system |
| 03:25.43 | dcordes | there'a var ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL |
| 03:25.48 | eway | last card i partitioned i done in my universal |
| 03:26.14 | eway | the ramdisk image for the universal has fdisk and mkfs inside it |
| 03:26.25 | Marajin | eway: Can't read SDHC cards on other systems |
| 03:26.36 | eway | use the phone as a reader |
| 03:26.39 | Marajin | dcordes: Yeah but that seems not to work so well |
| 03:26.41 | dcordes | Marajin: but some images do not include it. if that's the case and bitbake doesn't give your the extra install packages in the rootfs, just put the needed PNAMES into packages/images/desired-image.bb |
| 03:26.57 | eway | use wm5storage or equivilent |
| 03:26.58 | Marajin | eway: Not sure that even works, the phone abstracts file access |
| 03:27.05 | Marajin | oh I could possibly yeah |
| 03:27.25 | Marajin | dcordes: heh |
| 03:27.28 | Marajin | dcordes: Okies |
| 03:27.47 | eway | wm5storage has worked for me to use the uni as a card reader on linux |
| 03:27.57 | dcordes | kaiser-linxu is fixed for machine htckaiser again in OE |
| 03:28.43 | dcordes | eway: were you able to access partition types other than vfat? |
| 03:28.56 | eway | yeh |
| 03:29.25 | eway | last time i done so was to do a install of titchy |
| 03:29.51 | dcordes | cool that sounds quite useful |
| 03:30.03 | tmzt | hey, it's block anyway like usb storage, didn't think of it yesterday though |
| 03:30.15 | dcordes | hey there tmzt |
| 03:30.32 | eway | but that was with wm5 and wm5storage to turn my uni into a card reader |
| 03:30.52 | tmzt | whats going on with the images then |
| 03:31.26 | eway | if i had a linux box here i`d try it now |
| 03:31.57 | eway | but i only have a couple of winblows workstations and a bsd firewall that im setting up |
| 03:38.02 | dcordes | tmzt: the underscore problem lurks in every rootfs. how can we get rid of it? |
| 03:38.19 | dcordes | underscore a.k.a Xfbdev does not fill the screen correctly |
| 03:40.43 | tmzt | do you have gpe-scap? |
| 03:41.10 | tmzt | did you ever the console switching to work? |
| 03:41.47 | dcordes | nah |
| 03:42.07 | dcordes | what baout gpe-scap? |
| 03:42.18 | dcordes | I sent you that slideshow |
| 03:42.24 | tmzt | can you get a full quality capture of this? |
| 03:42.49 | tmzt | it happens every time now |
| 03:42.56 | tmzt | ? |
| 03:43.33 | Marajin | wm5torage won't start on my kaiser |
| 03:43.37 | Marajin | says it can't do the USB |
| 03:43.46 | Marajin | error 1f apparently |
| 03:43.57 | tmzt | what is the usb network mode set to? |
| 03:46.16 | Marajin | the what? |
| 03:46.53 | dcordes | tmzt: no still random |
| 03:47.28 | tmzt | rndis/serial setting |
| 03:47.34 | eway | Marajin which ver of wm5torage do u have ? |
| 03:47.36 | Marajin | no wm5torage simply won't work |
| 03:47.37 | tmzt | advanced networking or something like that |
| 03:47.39 | Marajin | eway: 1.8? |
| 03:47.41 | dcordes | best is when I have the remote connection and can kill and restart it many times qui |
| 03:47.47 | dcordes | ckly in a sequence |
| 03:47.48 | eway | hmm |
| 03:47.49 | eway | weird |
| 03:47.56 | eway | 1.8 should support wm6 |
| 03:48.02 | Marajin | how about 6.1? |
| 03:48.12 | eway | not sure |
| 03:48.12 | Marajin | and it says something about the card being in use but I can't tell why it would be |
| 03:48.26 | eway | try after a soft reset |
| 03:48.31 | tmzt | did you change to the moko xfbdev or a you trying to get input hotplug to work? |
| 03:48.36 | Marajin | I did |
| 03:48.42 | Marajin | no difference |
| 03:48.50 | Marajin | I even shutdown everything I recognize in the process list |
| 03:48.58 | dcordes | tmzt: no the moko image only has the settings |
| 03:49.21 | Marajin | oh |
| 03:49.26 | Marajin | hah |
| 03:49.27 | Marajin | I fixed it |
| 03:49.37 | eway | hmm i wonder if cardexport will work |
| 03:49.49 | tmzt | the kernel driver is fixed so the moko should work now??, when it works you still get not touchscreen input |
| 03:49.52 | tmzt | ? |
| 03:50.18 | dcordes | tmzt: yes I have your patched tsc2003.c kernel. |
| 03:50.31 | dcordes | still, in moko it doesn't work same as it doesn't work in gpe |
| 03:50.34 | tmzt | do the tslib programs work? |
| 03:50.58 | dcordes | didn't try. but I don't see why they shouldn't |
| 03:50.59 | Marajin | eway: There's soemthing called sddaemon.exe that I closed |
| 03:51.06 | Marajin | but the file access seems reallly slow |
| 03:51.11 | Marajin | but it does mount on linux |
| 03:51.12 | dcordes | putting fb_test and fb_calibrate in moko image |
| 03:51.14 | tmzt | is that the mux? |
| 03:51.20 | eway | coo |
| 03:51.33 | eway | i suppose slow is better than not at all |
| 03:51.33 | tmzt | try disabling wifi? |
| 03:53.22 | Marajin | eway: That's unusably slow :P |
| 03:54.00 | tmzt | can you power down wifi card? |
| 03:55.17 | eway | what bugs me is why the cyberon voice speed dial being killed has a effect on the sd card system |
| 03:55.33 | eway | thats what u killed btw |
| 03:55.43 | Marajin | heh |
| 03:55.49 | Marajin | well it stopped complaining |
| 03:55.55 | Marajin | but linux is showing a bunch of IO errors |
| 03:56.36 | eway | is that while copying data or just partitioning the card |
| 03:57.48 | Marajin | that's just from plugging it in |
| 04:00.17 | eway | hmm not sure if its of any use but there is some info in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298056 |
| 04:01.26 | Marajin | doesn't look any happier under windows vista on a different computer |
| 04:01.35 | Marajin | it detects but its having real issues accessing it |
| 04:02.05 | eway | have u got a copy of cardexport u can try |
| 04:02.10 | Marajin | no |
| 04:02.39 | eway | seems some have better success on wm6 and 6.1 with cardexport rather than wm5torage |
| 04:03.55 | Marajin | I can try putting it on my hermes |
| 04:04.26 | eway | worth a go |
| 04:06.25 | eway | brb going out for a smoke cant smoke inthe hotel i`m in |
| 04:07.08 | Marajin | poor guy |
| 04:07.15 | Marajin | open a window and lean out? |
| 04:07.44 | eway | could be worse it was raining earlier |
| 04:08.39 | dcordes | tmzt: ok ts_test works |
| 04:08.44 | dcordes | in the moko rootfs |
| 04:09.05 | dcordes | lshal dumped 17 devices |
| 04:09.45 | Marajin | wire: Doen't seem any healthier on the hermes really :P |
| 04:11.51 | Marajin | s/wire/eway/ |
| 04:17.42 | tmzt | can you get that lshal and a strace of the moko xfbdev? |
| 04:17.58 | eway | Marajin try with cardexport |
| 04:18.25 | Marajin | meh |
| 04:18.49 | eway | http://www.softick.com/download_script.php?prog_version_id=68&site_type=1 |
| 04:19.25 | eway | thats the ver for windows mobile 2005 / 2006 |
| 04:20.49 | Marajin | ahead of it |
| 04:20.54 | Marajin | watches the installer taking ages. |
| 04:21.12 | dcordes | tmzt: yea already dumped the lshal. that's odd, when I get the underscore, I see the X background stuff flashing up for a ms when it is killed |
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| 04:25.47 | dcordes | tmzt: sorry what' |
| 04:25.57 | dcordes | damn that new keyboard sucks. |
| 04:26.05 | Marajin | eway: ..eyah, it works much better with cardexport |
| 04:26.15 | dcordes | tmzt: what's the command again to get the strace plus stdout dumped to a file? |
| 04:26.21 | Marajin | well I'm getting 800Kb/s and no read |
| 04:26.21 | Marajin | well I'm getting 800Kb/s and no read Register FAQ XDA-Portal XDA-Store XDA-Wiki Device database Donate! Members List Calendar Today's Posts Search |
| 04:26.24 | Marajin | Search Forums using Google |
| 04:26.26 | Marajin | Or use the built-in forum search |
| 04:26.29 | Marajin | Go to Page... |
| 04:26.31 | Marajin | errors |
| 04:26.34 | Marajin | .. |
| 04:26.36 | Marajin | whoops |
| 04:26.39 | Marajin | I hate linux sometimes |
| 04:26.45 | dcordes | damn old linux |
| 04:28.25 | eway | No2Chem also does a util that detects usb and asks which mode u want 2 use |
| 04:28.48 | eway | but i cant find it as a seperate pkg |
| 04:29.38 | Marajin | no worries |
| 04:30.42 | Marajin | cardexport is working fineish |
| 04:31.04 | eway | k |
| 04:37.41 | Marajin | oh you're gonna love this |
| 04:37.58 | Marajin | eway: with cardexport I can't change the parition tables afaik |
| 04:38.53 | eway | hmm |
| 04:41.19 | Marajin | well cfdisk complains |
| 04:41.32 | Marajin | fdisk/parted don't complain but I dunno how to use them properly |
| 04:41.39 | eway | everything i can see seems to suggest u should be able to fdisk |
| 04:41.46 | dcordes | tmzt: lshla http://rafb.net/p/PJibJV17.html |
| 04:42.16 | eway | theres a basic guide for using fdisk on hh.org |
| 04:42.25 | eway | on the universal |
| 04:42.31 | Marajin | yeah I know I can find out |
| 04:42.31 | Marajin | but |
| 04:42.32 | Marajin | heh |
| 04:42.36 | eway | seci`ll get link |
| 04:42.37 | Marajin | I'm worried if cfdiskcomplains |
| 04:45.09 | eway | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalHowtoInstallLinux |
| 04:46.11 | Marajin | I'm using parted to try to resize and create a new 500 MB ext2 partition |
| 04:46.15 | Marajin | cross your fingers for me |
| 04:46.58 | eway | crosses fingers |
| 04:47.29 | Marajin | I... think it's working |
| 04:48.07 | Marajin | wonder why there's 4MB unallocated at the start |
| 04:48.20 | eway | so where bout in uk are you |
| 04:48.29 | Marajin | near manchester |
| 04:48.47 | eway | i past manchester bout midnight |
| 04:48.52 | Marajin | heh |
| 04:49.03 | eway | i`m just outside blackburn atm |
| 04:49.09 | Marajin | by now mate you could be in france |
| 04:49.11 | Marajin | orly? |
| 04:49.33 | eway | ntl supposed to be handing over a 1gb fibre to me this morning |
| 04:50.15 | Marajin | I'm about er.. half an hours drive south of you at a guess then =) |
| 04:50.24 | eway | yeh |
| 04:50.43 | Marajin | <-- Bolton |
| 04:50.54 | eway | ok |
| 04:51.00 | eway | not hat far really |
| 04:51.07 | Marajin | nah, 12-13 miles |
| 04:51.21 | eway | i`m just up in the ribble valley atm |
| 04:51.21 | Marajin | ...I think that worked |
| 04:51.46 | eway | pub called the lord nelson |
| 04:52.12 | Marajin | I think I know of it |
| 04:52.20 | eway | which my company uses as a pop for a link tyo brockhall village |
| 04:52.44 | Marajin | whalley is it? |
| 04:52.53 | eway | also have a pop at the spread eagle pub on the other side of the valley |
| 04:52.56 | eway | yeh |
| 04:53.13 | Marajin | far side of blackburn that |
| 04:53.15 | eway | the link here is done on bonded dsl |
| 04:54.00 | eway | and the spread eagle is a middle point from wood park to brockhall |
| 04:54.12 | eway | ewood park |
| 04:54.37 | eway | and the fibre is going in at ewood park |
| 04:54.46 | Marajin | aye |
| 04:55.03 | eway | should be intresting there today as they are playing a match today |
| 04:55.08 | Marajin | heh :P |
| 04:55.12 | Marajin | nice timing! |
| 04:55.15 | Marajin | dcordes: Ping? |
| 04:55.17 | eway | yeh |
| 04:55.41 | Marajin | huh It's resized the FS I think but I have a huge number of fsck files in there now yay |
| 04:55.58 | dcordes | pong |
| 04:56.09 | Marajin | dcordes: What was it you wanted testing again? |
| 04:56.25 | dcordes | http://82.243.122.54/download/mio_a701/rootfs/ |
| 04:56.36 | dcordes | the opie one |
| 04:57.32 | Marajin | aight |
| 04:57.34 | Marajin | downloading |
| 04:57.47 | dcordes | I already tested the qtopia |
| 04:57.47 | Marajin | I need to do anything wibbly with the default.tx? |
| 04:57.55 | dcordes | no clue |
| 04:58.12 | Marajin | heh |
| 04:58.15 | Marajin | helpful you are |
| 04:58.36 | Marajin | what're the options I need from booting from SD again? I think I lost my SD default.txt when I formatted the 2GB card |
| 04:59.41 | dcordes | cmdline "root=/dev/mmcblk0p?" |
| 04:59.47 | Marajin | fail enough |
| 04:59.52 | Marajin | *fair |
| 04:59.54 | dcordes | cmdline "root=/dev/mmcblk0p? rootdelay=5 or so" |
| 04:59.59 | Marajin | mmhmm |
| 05:00.05 | Marajin | so opie runs.. does the TS work? |
| 05:00.06 | Marajin | :P |
| 05:00.13 | dcordes | try |
| 05:00.24 | Marajin | I'm still download the rootfs |
| 05:00.30 | dcordes | according to the person in the forum, yes. that's why I've been interested in this |
| 05:00.31 | Marajin | I'm askng if the other guy claimed it works |
| 05:00.34 | Marajin | hmm |
| 05:00.42 | Marajin | if it is I'll bother to work out why I can't bitbake qpe |
| 05:01.19 | dcordes | you must set some stuff to build the opie images in OE |
| 05:01.20 | eway | i should really get a kaiser aswell |
| 05:01.25 | Marajin | I know |
| 05:01.39 | Marajin | eway: Heh, they're nice enough but for a couple of foibles |
| 05:02.00 | Marajin | but with the diamond/touchpro looming... I'm afraid newer users may start walking a different path |
| 05:02.39 | dcordes | I will probably get a diamond a while |
| 05:02.42 | eway | i have access to htc wizard / magician / himalaya / hermes / universal / ameo 8gb / ameo 16gb |
| 05:03.11 | eway | those are the ones that i remember |
| 05:03.37 | Marajin | ... that's a qtopia image >.< |
| 05:03.42 | Marajin | er why do you have both ameos? |
| 05:03.48 | eway | i dont |
| 05:03.54 | eway | i only have the 16gb ver |
| 05:04.04 | eway | a friend of mine has the 8gb ver |
| 05:04.13 | Marajin | ah right |
| 05:04.23 | Marajin | I just have the hermes and kaiser |
| 05:04.25 | eway | and another friend has the wizard himalaya and magician |
| 05:04.50 | eway | my boss has a 16gb ameo a universal and a hermes |
| 05:05.06 | eway | i have the universal and the 16gb ameo |
| 05:05.19 | eway | and some motorola linux handsets |
| 05:05.22 | Marajin | I wanna raphael: :( |
| 05:05.34 | eway | the a760 a780 and a910 |
| 05:05.51 | dcordes | Marajin: you got http://82.243.122.54/download/mio_a701/rootfs/O.P.I.E.II-4.3.0.tar.bz2 ? |
| 05:06.04 | dcordes | eway: ever tried moko on the a780? |
| 05:06.08 | Marajin | dcordes: yeah, there's a bunch of qtopia stuff in there |
| 05:06.15 | eway | nope |
| 05:06.35 | eway | never really done much with the 780 as the gps doesn`t get a fix |
| 05:06.50 | eway | so wanted to get that repaird before i start playing with it |
| 05:07.17 | eway | me and a friend tried playing a bit with the 760 |
| 05:07.36 | eway | but its awkward in comparrison to the 780 and the 910 |
| 05:07.58 | eway | i did think about getting a a1200 aswell |
| 05:08.27 | Marajin | dcordes: Looks to freeze after carddetect |
| 05:08.47 | eway | but might get the neo when they sort it out |
| 05:10.52 | Marajin | dcordes: I get card detect and p1 p2 listed and then it just stops |
| 05:10.59 | dcordes | I think they're getting along with the freerunner now |
| 05:11.16 | dcordes | Marajin: ever booted anything from that partition? |
| 05:11.30 | Marajin | dcordes: I just created it so no? |
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| 05:13.09 | eway | didn`t realize they had released the freerunner |
| 05:14.18 | Marajin | dcordes: ...wait, why don't you test it anywya |
| 05:14.19 | Marajin | ? |
| 05:16.01 | Marajin | dcordes: Oh I found I'd typed p01 in default.txt -.-... it went to init and now I currently have a blank .. no wait still booting |
| 05:16.28 | Marajin | it's definitely qtopia man |
| 05:16.35 | Marajin | "Starting qtopia..." is a bitf a hint |
| 05:16.54 | Marajin | wtf |
| 05:17.01 | dcordes | and then it will say Kaiser not supported, sorry, only mio |
| 05:17.13 | Marajin | "Openmoko distribution - powered by angstrom htcuniversal" |
| 05:17.21 | dcordes | wtf |
| 05:17.55 | dcordes | eway: http://us.direct.openmoko.com/ |
| 05:18.11 | Marajin | I get some 'function not implemented' errors then it mibbles into the angstrom commandline and claims it's openmoko for the universal |
| 05:18.16 | eway | yeh |
| 05:18.25 | eway | sold out |
| 05:18.42 | eway | just having a read through the wiki atm |
| 05:25.57 | Marajin | eway: https://www.truebox.co.uk/trueboxportal/index.php?wk=Shop&thiscat=8 |
| 05:26.04 | Marajin | uk provider = 26th august available |
| 05:26.34 | eway | click link |
| 05:28.09 | eway | hmm |
| 05:28.27 | eway | i thik i`ll start writing a email to my boss in the next hour |
| 05:28.38 | eway | see if i can get him 2 order a couple of them |
| 05:28.55 | eway | not 2 worried bout the debug board as i can get that at any time |
| 05:29.20 | eway | and looks like truebox dont have any in stock atm anyway |
| 05:30.52 | Marajin | heh |
| 05:31.01 | Marajin | ooh, will he order me a raphael! |
| 05:31.22 | eway | doubt it |
| 05:31.55 | eway | he might order me the freerunner instead of givin me my next paycheck |
| 05:32.11 | eway | thats the kinda thing he would do |
| 05:32.14 | Marajin | your paycheck is that small? :P |
| 05:32.16 | dcordes | what about the fin guy who wanted to support #htc-linux? |
| 05:32.23 | dcordes | he can donate my a raphael |
| 05:32.26 | Marajin | dcordes: knobo? |
| 05:32.28 | dcordes | you get the diamond |
| 05:32.29 | dcordes | right |
| 05:32.41 | Marajin | no mate, I want a raphael, the diamond can get stuffed, I use the keyboard |
| 05:32.55 | dcordes | tzz |
| 05:32.59 | eway | yeh keyboard is essential |
| 05:33.16 | dcordes | what's the raphael estimated price |
| 05:33.52 | eway | thats the only thing that bugs me with the motorola handsets and the fic handsets |
| 05:34.15 | eway | still bluetooth kb might be a option |
| 05:34.32 | dcordes | lol it has an alias htc herman |
| 05:34.39 | Marajin | dcordes: 500 UKP |
| 05:34.58 | Marajin | about 600 Euro |
| 05:36.29 | dcordes | w/o contract? |
| 05:37.25 | Marajin | yeah |
| 05:37.35 | Marajin | you can get t free if you get a stupid enough contract |
| 05:37.39 | Marajin | but that's about 60E/month |
| 05:38.24 | dcordes | hmmm |
| 05:38.52 | dcordes | I need more income. |
| 05:38.53 | Marajin | dcordes: That rootfs is definitely not bootable |
| 05:39.02 | Marajin | well not with GUI |
| 05:39.07 | Marajin | and it's definitely qtopia :P |
| 05:39.23 | dcordes | nevermind that person in the forum.. if he would really get results, he could point us to the rootfs |
| 05:39.52 | Marajin | yeah |
| 05:41.04 | dcordes | first he shows off, then he can't explain what he did/where he got it |
| 05:41.13 | dcordes | not so useful. |
| 05:41.14 | Marajin | he's talking rubbish |
| 05:41.20 | Marajin | no photos or video or details at all? |
| 05:41.53 | dcordes | no |
| 05:42.30 | Marajin | he's talking rubbish :P |
| 05:46.17 | dcordes | but the qtopia approach is _quite_interesting_ |
| 05:46.30 | Marajin | no it's not, it doesn't bitbake either |
| 05:46.36 | Marajin | I've tried |
| 05:47.31 | dcordes | we don't need to bake |
| 05:47.35 | Marajin | mrm? |
| 05:47.47 | dcordes | we can get the artemis image working |
| 05:47.52 | Marajin | oh? |
| 05:48.11 | dcordes | ahh zlotniks I had an approach getting there |
| 05:48.15 | dcordes | and removed the rootfs |
| 05:53.11 | eway | heh |
| 05:53.40 | eway | Marajin if u knew how much we payed for the 16gb ameo you would be shocked |
| 05:54.04 | Marajin | eway: Nah I wouldn't :p |
| 05:54.28 | eway | less than £10 |
| 05:54.43 | Marajin | heh |
| 05:54.49 | Marajin | just paid shipping? |
| 05:54.55 | eway | yeh |
| 05:55.01 | Marajin | how'd you manage that? |
| 05:55.05 | eway | somthing like 7 quid |
| 05:55.34 | eway | they didn`t setup our direct debit properly then cut us off twice in a week |
| 05:55.53 | eway | so we had a right go at them |
| 05:55.53 | Marajin | who did precisely? |
| 05:56.04 | eway | tmobile uk |
| 05:56.07 | Marajin | heh |
| 05:56.08 | Marajin | figures |
| 05:56.14 | eway | didn`t setup the direct debit |
| 05:56.17 | Marajin | go on, make something up and shoot at them again! |
| 05:56.32 | Marajin | when virgin did that, they just tried to charge us /extra/ |
| 05:56.33 | Marajin | heh |
| 05:56.35 | eway | also we had been waiting for the 16gb ameo handsets since april |
| 05:56.53 | Marajin | so we told them to shove it |
| 05:57.06 | Marajin | and they went "but wait, we're offering better services soon!" |
| 05:57.29 | Marajin | and I went "...look, you can't give us what we were already getting successfully, merely moving the bandwidth limits isn't going to help" |
| 05:57.52 | Marajin | and they went "...fair enough" |
| 05:58.16 | eway | 1 of the things that has always bugged me with tmobile is that u cant do mlppp |
| 05:58.24 | Marajin | heh |
| 05:58.36 | Marajin | I've always been o2 for phones |
| 05:58.37 | Marajin | well |
| 05:58.41 | Marajin | last several years |
| 05:58.46 | Marajin | a whiiile ago I had orange |
| 05:58.56 | eway | i had it at 1 point where i had 4 contract sims on tmobile weband walk and dialed them all at the same time |
| 05:59.32 | eway | the 1st link came up |
| 05:59.42 | eway | but the others wouldn`t bond |
| 06:00.05 | Marajin | hah |
| 06:00.14 | Marajin | so, why're you still up at 7am man? |
| 06:00.20 | eway | would dial each channel and then drop the channel |
| 06:00.43 | eway | breakfast is only another hour and a half away |
| 06:01.20 | eway | and i`ve still not finished the bsd firewall i`ve been building |
| 06:01.37 | eway | although its only a case of screw it all together now |
| 06:01.51 | eway | and add some rules to pf |
| 06:02.04 | Marajin | heh :) |
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| 06:02.44 | eway | it`s ok i`ll sleep while blackburn are playing l8r on |
| 06:03.01 | Marajin | may as well. |
| 06:03.08 | Marajin | it's not like you'd miss much |
| 06:03.10 | eway | yeh |
| 06:04.57 | eway | well bout the only thing i would miss would be any traffic bursts from the media box while were connecting the new fibre |
| 06:05.37 | Marajin | yeah :p |
| 06:05.41 | eway | but i can always dial a few isdn b channels back to london for them if needed |
| 06:06.31 | Marajin | yup |
| 06:06.41 | Marajin | man I need to get a job.. |
| 06:06.52 | eway | i still cant see how ntl are going to install the dwdm at ewood test it all and hand it over on the same day |
| 06:07.54 | eway | had 1 of my collegues in telehouse north london at 1am this morning putting in a new switch for ntl to connect to at the london end of the link |
| 06:08.16 | Marajin | keep 'em busy! |
| 06:08.27 | eway | i try |
| 06:08.33 | Marajin | good man |
| 06:10.51 | eway | k off for another smoke |
| 06:10.55 | eway | back in a few mins |
| 06:11.00 | Marajin | catcha |
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| 06:16.54 | Marajin | wb dcordes |
| 06:22.56 | eway | bak |
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| 06:25.59 | Marajin | wb eway too then |
| 06:30.13 | tmzt | dcordes: did you get the strace, I saw the lshal and I think I know how to fix that but I need to see the strace for moko |
| 06:30.55 | tmzt | at least if there are event devices, touchscreen device, or config/hal |
| 06:31.14 | dcordes | sounds sweet |
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| 07:57.10 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 07:57.19 | evildarknight | hi |
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| 08:24.09 | Marajin | yo ginge |
| 08:24.26 | ginge | Marajin: yoyo |
| 08:25.04 | Marajin | ginge: How's it going? |
| 08:25.25 | ginge | good thanks, yourself? |
| 08:26.27 | dcordes_ | hi ginge |
| 08:26.33 | dcordes_ | tmzt: still around? |
| 08:27.11 | ginge | dcordes_: morning |
| 08:27.19 | Marajin | tired and well, today is the day where I finally get back in that most wonderous of chairs |
| 08:27.22 | Marajin | the dentist's seat |
| 08:27.51 | ginge | ooo nice |
| 08:28.08 | Marajin | yeah |
| 08:28.13 | Marajin | after 5 years |
| 08:28.17 | Marajin | I'm not looking forward tot hat |
| 08:28.18 | Marajin | *that |
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| 08:53.03 | ginge | i'm not looking forwars t finding some help desk software to make sure the guys deal with the bugs and issues properly |
| 08:53.32 | Marajin | a shotgun held by a trained monkey? |
| 08:54.48 | ginge | ita N OPTION |
| 08:57.19 | Marajin | =) |
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| 10:46.55 | Marajin | ginge: oh btw, if you hear something about an opie rom running on the kaiser, ignore it if you didn'tnotice me and dcordes tinkering earlier, turns out to be a weird hybrid qtopia openmoko rootfs for the universal or something. and it doesn't load the GUI, it dies to a console. |
| 10:47.33 | ginge | Marajin: I was curious about that. I won't ask ;) |
| 10:47.56 | Marajin | won't ask what? :P |
| 10:56.23 | ginge | Marajin: what that is all about |
| 10:57.31 | Marajin | ginge: I'm not sure to be honest, something dcordes got from a forum somewhere but it basically turns out to be rubbish cause the guy's showing no proof or details on what he did to get it working and we can't find the rootfs that seems to match and just ended up with this crazy universal rootfs that has qtopia but claims to be openmoko/angstrom |
| 10:58.47 | ginge | bizarro |
| 10:59.14 | Marajin | now, while moko shift around a lot.. I don't recall them ever using qtopia ya know? |
| 10:59.37 | Marajin | in fact qtopia-image seems to have disappeared from my OE |
| 11:01.15 | Marajin | ginge: Gotta love google.. I google "how to build opie-image" and I get a picture of a fat woman breastfeeding a child that's too old to be breastfed |
| 11:01.42 | ginge | that says a lot ;) |
| 11:02.10 | Marajin | did ya know some google offices have a wall where it just scrolls current search strings? |
| 11:02.20 | Marajin | I dread to think what you could look up and see scroll past sometimes |
| 11:04.18 | Marajin | ahhh, apparently the woman is called catherine opie ;) |
| 11:04.22 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, there are some website where you can see live searches (not google afaik) |
| 11:05.14 | ginge | http://www.dogpile.com/info.dogpl/searchspy/results.htm?fci=1&filter=0&qcat=web |
| 11:07.27 | Marajin | ginge: perhaps so but google's probably the most commonly used search engine on the web now |
| 11:07.52 | ginge | yeah, still interesting to see the sickening things people search for |
| 11:08.39 | Marajin | didn't QI once have a bit where they'd found out some of the most common search strings by local UK region? |
| 11:11.35 | ginge | Marajin: no idea |
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| 12:13.56 | Unniversal | hi there! is someone who use linux on univeral? |
| 12:16.55 | Unniversal | i have only 2 question! |
| 12:16.59 | Unniversal | please help me |
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| 12:51.06 | ginge | john: yes. I have the heuristic scanner working. It should also do the FFT for the agent stress analysis but that code is seriously alpha. |
| 12:51.16 | ginge | oops wrong window. sorry for spamming |
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| 13:30.06 | ginge | Marajin: is daemon tools still the preferred windows iso mounting tool? |
| 13:34.33 | dcordes_ | ginge: yea use the old version 3.6 |
| 13:34.48 | ginge | dcordes_: cool thanks |
| 13:35.26 | ginge | dcordes_: 3.46? |
| 13:35.56 | dcordes_ | er right |
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| 13:37.20 | ginge | damn windows. I need to restart every two seconds. |
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| 13:37.53 | dcordes_ | ginge: need to evaluate code? |
| 13:38.07 | ginge | yeah |
| 13:38.23 | dcordes_ | which windows? vista? |
| 13:38.38 | ginge | all of them, butmainly server 2003+ |
| 13:38.50 | dcordes_ | uuuuhhhh |
| 13:39.16 | ginge | heh. thank god for virtualisation |
| 13:39.38 | dcordes_ | vmware? |
| 13:40.13 | ginge | now, yeah. I was using virtualbox |
| 13:40.24 | ginge | it runs like poo with 2003SBS |
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| 13:48.29 | Marajin-phone | yo? |
| 13:48.40 | Marajin-phone | ginge: Woo waiting rooms |
| 13:49.03 | ginge | woo :( |
| 13:49.21 | Marajin-phone | at least I get full reception |
| 13:49.46 | Marajin-phone | H even |
| 13:51.12 | Marajin-phone | how's it going on your end? ready to scream from the pain of via mobile only net yet? |
| 13:52.02 | ginge | hell yeah |
| 13:52.16 | ginge | its killing me |
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| 13:52.45 | Marajin-phone | It's ok, we'll resurrect you |
| 13:54.00 | ginge | :) |
| 13:54.12 | ginge | I have about 12MB left on my data plan |
| 13:54.23 | Marajin-phone | just kep counting the seconds til you get your proper home connection |
| 13:54.27 | Marajin-phone | ouch.. |
| 13:54.52 | Marajin-phone | that's gonna get expensive soon ;) |
| 13:55.42 | ginge | about 1700 minutes |
| 13:55.54 | ginge | yeah, need to be careful |
| 13:55.55 | Marajin-phone | heh |
| 13:56.08 | Marajin-phone | more than careful that |
| 13:57.19 | Marajin-phone | basically averaging a meg per 2 hours? |
| 13:57.26 | Marajin-phone | yowchies ;) |
| 13:57.39 | Marajin-phone | I barely average that for 2 seconds |
| 13:58.34 | ginge | I wonder how much *just* irc would take for a day :) |
| 13:59.02 | Marajin-phone | a significant amount man |
| 13:59.12 | ginge | hmm |
| 13:59.19 | ginge | I could drop a few channels :) |
| 14:00.03 | Marajin-phone | I'd guess you're pulling at least 3kB/s average |
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| 14:01.11 | ginge | I would put money on the boradband not working when activated, so I need to be really careful |
| 14:01.19 | Marajin-phone | yeah |
| 14:01.39 | Marajin-phone | you only get lucky when you don't need to |
| 14:01.50 | ginge | I went with "be" so it may be ok |
| 14:02.06 | Marajin-phone | can't steal anyone elses data plan briefly? |
| 14:02.28 | ginge | maybe the work phone once my new handset arrives |
| 14:02.29 | Marajin-phone | well O2 are, so you'd assume be would be similar |
| 14:02.34 | Marajin-phone | but who knows |
| 14:02.50 | Marajin-phone | wha handset are they giving ya? |
| 14:02.57 | ginge | HTC something |
| 14:03.06 | ginge | I am hoping for the raphael |
| 14:03.16 | Marajin-phone | better not be a raphael or I'ma mug you |
| 14:03.54 | ginge | lol |
| 14:03.57 | Marajin-phone | I doubt it tho'. Raphael won'# even ship till later this month on t-mobile/O2 |
| 14:04.10 | ginge | I might end up with a shitty spv e560 whatever that is |
| 14:04.19 | Marajin-phone | heh |
| 14:04.21 | Marajin-phone | maybe |
| 14:04.48 | Marajin-phone | wow these people run up and down stairs a lot |
| 14:05.05 | ginge | stannah |
| 14:05.08 | Marajin-phone | Mildly woried that one of them was sprayed with something |
| 14:05.29 | Marajin-phone | heh |
| 14:05.37 | Marajin-phone | no thy're running |
| 14:06.18 | ginge | can you imagine getting a filling while on a stannah :) |
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| 14:08.29 | Marajin-phone | huh |
| 14:08.43 | Marajin-phone | hsdpa is a bit spotty here I gues |
| 14:08.50 | Marajin-phone | hope it'll stick with edge |
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| 14:09.23 | ginge | or bono |
| 14:09.37 | Marajin-phone | uh? |
| 14:10.08 | ginge | nvm |
| 14:10.18 | Marajin-phone | indeed :p |
| 14:13.47 | Marajin-phone | and progress with SDr? if you've even had chance |
| 14:21.52 | ginge | not had time |
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| 14:38.36 | drasar | Hi there |
| 14:41.18 | drasar | Can somebody tell me if is it any documentation for hh kernel (function and structure descriptions, ...) available? |
| 14:42.11 | BabelO_ | drasar: the code is the documentation :) |
| 14:43.27 | BabelO_ | drasar: what are you looking for ? |
| 14:45.16 | drasar | BabelO_: This is answer that I had expected :) |
| 14:46.30 | BabelO_ | drasar: i can help you, depend what you are looking for, you can ask on this channel or at handhelds.org channel |
| 14:47.12 | drasar | BabelO_: I still fight with UDC on himalaya :( |
| 14:48.22 | BabelO_ | drasar: ok |
| 14:48.32 | drasar | BabelO_: I can't detect where is a problem |
| 14:54.36 | drasar | BabelO_: My recent attempt you can see here: http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xmichl07/temp/himalaya/ |
| 14:56.51 | BabelO_ | drasar: ok, you compare udc from 2.6.12 version ? |
| 15:03.42 | drasar | BabelO_: I have looked to 2.6.12 sources, but the code is too much different and I don't know a lot about it :( |
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| 15:23.48 | dcordes_ | tmzt: there? |
| 15:24.11 | dcordes_ | tmzt: could you please give me the command again to strace Xfbdev and have all the output written to a file? |
| 15:25.02 | kiozen | ~lart xml, upnp and bill gates |
| 15:25.02 | apt | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down xml, upnp and bill gates's throat until xml, upnp and bill gates puts on 150lbs |
| 15:25.07 | dcordes_ | ~seen pH5 |
| 15:25.10 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@p5485C9E5.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 5d 3h 39m 18s ago, saying: 'BabelO: none yet. I'm waiting for ian's tmio mmc driver to hit the MFD tree.'. |
| 15:25.44 | dcordes_ | hmmm I need him to help us cloning the msm 2.6.25 repo |
| 15:25.48 | kiozen | thinks upnp and xml is already bloatware |
| 15:26.21 | dcordes_ | kiozen: had any problems with them? |
| 15:26.41 | kiozen | spent 1.5 days for a simple '*' |
| 15:27.26 | kiozen | if you know dbus you simply shake head about that upnp/xml shit |
| 15:34.48 | dcordes_ | ~lart kiozen's customers |
| 15:34.48 | apt | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at kiozen's customers |
| 15:34.53 | dcordes_ | g2g bbl |
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| 16:36.48 | Marajin | back |
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| 16:38.44 | Marajin | yo dcordes |
| 16:42.28 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: what happened to my git tree? seems that some files simply disappeared :( |
| 16:44.18 | tsdogs | paulproteus: ping |
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| 17:13.04 | dcordes | aye |
| 17:14.00 | tsdogs | ok, restored the tree as it should have been, but I'm almost sure that it was like this before. |
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| 17:14.41 | tsdogs | paulproteus: if you see this, how could that happen (probably my mistake, though I'm pretty sure it looked good before ...) |
| 17:16.04 | tsdogs | ho well, log tells me that I did not move it so probably it's my mistake :( |
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| 17:56.24 | ginge | waves |
| 17:56.35 | Marajin | shackles Ginge to the keyboard. |
| 17:57.05 | ginge | Marajin: heh. I just found out that my data reset today. back to "unlimited" (250MB) |
| 17:57.27 | Marajin | ginge: Whew! :P |
| 17:58.02 | ginge | Marajin: still, since when was 250MB unlimited! The operator I was arguing with said "it's as good as" yeah |
| 17:58.09 | ginge | Marajin: anyhoo :) |
| 17:58.34 | Marajin | ginge: The PHONE packages are only intended for vague webpage useage |
| 17:59.00 | Marajin | they have 3GB limits on some packages |
| 17:59.08 | ginge | Marajin: true, but I was told unlimited |
| 17:59.16 | ginge | £70/m for 3GB package |
| 17:59.27 | Marajin | 15/m last I checked |
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| 17:59.37 | Marajin | if you get a USB wossername |
| 17:59.51 | ali1234 | wow i always wanted one of those |
| 17:59.53 | ginge | Marajin: might have to look at that in he future |
| 18:00.06 | ginge | ali1234: a SB wossername? |
| 18:00.10 | ali1234 | yeah |
| 18:00.21 | ginge | yeah, they are dirt cheap now |
| 18:00.28 | ginge | 3 have a good deal |
| 18:00.42 | Marajin | 3, o2, t-mobile.. |
| 18:00.50 | Marajin | they all do 3gb for 15/month |
| 18:01.14 | ali1234 | oh right you are talking about mobile broadband |
| 18:01.18 | ali1234 | i dont want one of those |
| 18:01.43 | ginge | what do you want? The moon on a stick as usual? |
| 18:01.57 | ali1234 | i want a working wifi driver for wizard next |
| 18:01.58 | Marajin | moon? |
| 18:02.00 | Marajin | sod that! |
| 18:02.06 | ali1234 | i heard it has ACX100 |
| 18:02.08 | Marajin | I want a kebab of moons! |
| 18:02.34 | ginge | ali1234: .26 has acx drivers. what kernel are you on with wizard |
| 18:02.41 | ali1234 | .25 |
| 18:02.47 | ginge | fancy backporting :) |
| 18:02.50 | ali1234 | but they are merging now aparently |
| 18:03.13 | ali1234 | i mean the "real" wizard devs are merging their stuff with .26 right now |
| 18:03.27 | ginge | yah. we are not ready in kaiser for a merge to .26 |
| 18:03.36 | ginge | still waitng for the linuxtogo .25 tree |
| 18:03.44 | ali1234 | i got the GSM working from cold boot last night |
| 18:03.52 | ginge | awesome :) |
| 18:04.03 | ali1234 | it turns out the GSM is exactly the same as tornado. i mean *exactly*, because it is exactly the same CPU |
| 18:04.15 | ginge | copy paste job? |
| 18:04.38 | ali1234 | yes gsm-wizard is a copy paste of gsm-typhoon (which also supported tornado) |
| 18:05.03 | ali1234 | but really they should be called gsm-omap730 and gsm-omap850 |
| 18:05.04 | ginge | spv e560 is the vox? |
| 18:05.52 | ginge | anyone ported vox yet? |
| 18:06.00 | ginge | Marajin: no raphael for me :( |
| 18:06.05 | ali1234 | and i discovered that /dev/mem is a really handy way to avoid all that MMU nonsense |
| 18:06.19 | ginge | ali1234: yeah, handy |
| 18:06.21 | ali1234 | you can map any physical ram you want from userspace, without turning off mmu |
| 18:06.25 | Marajin | ginge: Hah! good ;) |
| 18:06.42 | ginge | Marajin: gonna port the vox I think :) |
| 18:06.53 | ginge | i'm sure work would love that |
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| 18:08.16 | chab7 | hi |
| 18:09.05 | ginge | chab7: lo |
| 18:10.17 | ginge | vox is linwizard compatible, so I guess similar chipset |
| 18:10.50 | ali1234 | ginge: do you know a tool that dumps a range of memory using /dev/mem? devmem2 only lets you dump 4 bytes at a time. i had to write my own but it's a bit dodgy |
| 18:11.01 | Marajin | ginge: It's a cheap model I think.tis an omap and I'm not sure it even has a touchscreen |
| 18:11.23 | ginge | ali1234: not that I know of. I do have a script tho, probly dodgier than yours |
| 18:11.28 | ginge | Marajin: yeah no touchscreen on it |
| 18:11.36 | ali1234 | mine is at least written in C |
| 18:12.05 | ginge | Detected machine Generic TI OMAP/OMAP850 (Plat='SmartPhone' OEM='HTC_S710')CPU is ARM ARM arch 5TEJ stepping 3 running in system mode |
| 18:12.07 | ali1234 | i'll have to fix it up then i guess |
| 18:12.27 | ginge | ali1234: yeah, I use gnu tools to do it. too many pipes to make it work properly |
| 18:12.29 | ali1234 | you have another new phone? |
| 18:12.39 | ginge | ali1234: yeah, new work phone |
| 18:12.43 | ali1234 | also HTC? |
| 18:12.50 | ginge | HTC vox |
| 18:12.50 | ali1234 | tell them to give you a nokia |
| 18:13.08 | ginge | why> |
| 18:13.09 | ali1234 | well your vox should work with linwizard |
| 18:13.19 | ali1234 | at least the gsm anyway |
| 18:13.24 | ginge | ali1234: it would seem to be compatible |
| 18:13.37 | ginge | sd and keyboard work apparently |
| 18:13.53 | ali1234 | wow the vox is like a tornado with the slide out keyboard of wizard |
| 18:14.02 | ali1234 | that's pretty nice |
| 18:14.04 | ginge | yeah, neat little thing |
| 18:14.10 | ginge | I keep tapping the screen tho :/ |
| 18:14.24 | Marajin | underpowered and no TS will get on your nerves I reckon |
| 18:14.32 | ginge | Marajin: already is |
| 18:14.35 | ali1234 | yeah i didnt even know you could answer and make calls with the green button until matt told me |
| 18:14.48 | ginge | ali1234: really? |
| 18:15.00 | ali1234 | yeah really |
| 18:15.16 | ginge | ali1234: but you have seen me use the gren button before |
| 18:15.18 | ginge | naa |
| 18:16.30 | ali1234 | i always just press the buttons on the screen |
| 18:16.41 | Marajin | heh |
| 18:16.43 | ali1234 | like when i want to call someone, i click on "start" |
| 18:16.47 | Marajin | I'd die without the cal buttons |
| 18:17.04 | ginge | Marajin: heh same |
| 18:17.15 | Marajin | then again calling someone is PTT button + "call <person> on <type>" |
| 18:17.16 | ali1234 | that's cos your kaiser is sloooooow :) |
| 18:17.29 | Marajin | ali1234: Nah it's not, mine dials very fast |
| 18:17.48 | ali1234 | i've seen htcclassaction.com :) |
| 18:18.08 | Marajin | their drivers don't activate on my kaiser and they're 3D only |
| 18:18.12 | ginge | Marajin: mine dials fast if there is no call in progress, otherwise it is piss poor |
| 18:18.28 | ginge | say I ring the bank... please type in your card number... always fails |
| 18:18.32 | Marajin | hmm it dials fine in call too. touch tone voice menus are fine |
| 18:18.36 | ginge | I *always* end up with an agent |
| 18:18.48 | ali1234 | actually you know what i dont get about that... my wizard can run quake full screen, and it doesnt have hardware acceleration. the supposed 3d drivers that they have on there, could easily just be a software 3d driver. i mean the demos draw about 3 polygons. |
| 18:18.55 | ginge | Marajin: tried a couple of rms now too |
| 18:19.11 | Marajin | ali1234: Ah we don't even get proper memory useage on the kaiser, tht's the problem |
| 18:19.14 | ginge | ali1234: yeah, not convinced myself |
| 18:19.30 | ginge | Marajin: not heard that. whats that all abut? |
| 18:19.48 | Marajin | ginge: It abstracts memory operations too much, the overhead is painful. |
| 18:20.07 | ginge | think smething is stuck under the o key |
| 18:20.28 | ali1234 | the wizard just has raw framebuffer access |
| 18:20.36 | ali1234 | like old style DOS VGA programming |
| 18:20.46 | Marajin | bingo, precisemente, yahtzee, etc. |
| 18:21.20 | Marajin | anyway, many speculate that the kaiser chipset isn't 3D Accelerated anyway |
| 18:21.55 | Marajin | so the fact that the HTCClassAction drivers can produce 80-120fps on the test demos anyway.. |
| 18:22.10 | Marajin | it's aaall down to just talking to the normal hardware/memory probably |
| 18:22.16 | ginge | Marajin: I could hex edit that to say what I wanted |
| 18:22.40 | Marajin | ginge: Well nobody's rebuking it where they have the drivers genuinely working |
| 18:22.49 | ali1234 | the demos dont look like they are running at 80fps |
| 18:22.51 | Marajin | try asking cmonex, I think he's involved |
| 18:22.55 | ginge | Marajin: oh so it works for someone? |
| 18:22.56 | ali1234 | they look like they are running about 8 fps |
| 18:23.06 | ali1234 | but it's hard to tell with youtube |
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| 18:23.25 | Marajin | ali1234: They don't run at all on my kaiser, they're buggered. I dunno why precisely |
| 18:23.46 | Marajin | I'm honestlynotcaring though |
| 18:23.51 | Marajin | I don't want 3D on the kaiser |
| 18:23.56 | Marajin | I want _2D_ |
| 18:24.05 | ali1234 | i would really like a mobile phone that supports opengl es |
| 18:24.15 | ali1234 | 2D is just a subset of 3D |
| 18:24.25 | ginge | I just want a mobile phone that doesnt run like treacle |
| 18:24.30 | Marajin | ali1234: Diamond, Raphael, iPhone, technically the kaiser does now |
| 18:24.30 | ali1234 | vox :) |
| 18:24.49 | ginge | vox is shit slow |
| 18:24.53 | ali1234 | yeah but i mean proper *fast* support including stuff like FBO |
| 18:24.57 | Marajin | ginge: Well we know it's quite quick under angstrom/android when they're behaving |
| 18:25.03 | Marajin | ginge: So the hardware is good. |
| 18:25.15 | Marajin | ali1234: FBO on a phone? |
| 18:25.18 | ali1234 | i want to run ogre on my phone, and i want it to be as fast as running it on a geforce 6600 |
| 18:25.18 | Marajin | dude you're mental |
| 18:25.19 | ginge | Marajin: true, kaiser is pretty fast |
| 18:25.27 | ali1234 | i also want the moon on a stick |
| 18:25.37 | ginge | ali1234: nothing new there then :) |
| 18:26.26 | Marajin | mind ya have you seen that pandora handheld? |
| 18:26.27 | Marajin | :D |
| 18:26.35 | ginge | googles |
| 18:26.42 | Marajin | the gp2x's successor |
| 18:26.43 | Marajin | it's not a phone |
| 18:26.54 | Marajin | it's a microcomputer/gaming machine based offlinux |
| 18:27.15 | ginge | just found it on linuxdevices. nice |
| 18:27.15 | Marajin | dual SD slots, 600mhz processor, wifi, bunch of ram, 800x600 sceen, etc. |
| 18:27.18 | ali1234 | FBO isn't that hard to support though. actually i heard opengl es doesn't support immediate mode so FBO would be the only way to draw anything... |
| 18:27.35 | ginge | looks like a dss |
| 18:27.40 | ginge | s/dss/ds/ |
| 18:27.48 | Marajin | it's a chunkier DS |
| 18:27.53 | Marajin | and the power comparison.. |
| 18:27.54 | Marajin | ha |
| 18:27.54 | dcordes | hola |
| 18:28.05 | dcordes | do we have any git pros? |
| 18:28.06 | Marajin | the DS is er... a 100mhz ARM7 or something isn't it? |
| 18:28.23 | dcordes | ginge: I'm not reaching the git guy and I don't understand git-remote |
| 18:28.48 | dcordes | that's why there'S not htc-msm-2.6.25 yet |
| 18:29.15 | Marajin | have we actually gained anything by trying to merge with .25? |
| 18:29.25 | ginge | dcordes: dont really know about that. I only just got to grips with local :) |
| 18:29.30 | tmzt | hey, sorry I had to go before, I'll get that command |
| 18:29.32 | dcordes | no but the step is out of discussion |
| 18:29.40 | dcordes | tmzt: ok |
| 18:29.43 | ginge | Marajin: yes, it opens up a load of porting options from vogue |
| 18:29.53 | dcordes | I wonder why googles are not at .26 yet |
| 18:29.59 | ginge | Marajin: like my audio patches based loosely on dzo's |
| 18:30.01 | tmzt | did you get remote access working? |
| 18:30.03 | Marajin | ginge: Like what? I thought we already supported most everything the vogue does? |
| 18:30.30 | ginge | Marajin: vogue has pm, audio, um... other stuff ;) |
| 18:30.38 | Marajin | when'd that happen?! |
| 18:30.44 | dcordes | pm long time ago |
| 18:30.47 | Marajin | like proper PM? |
| 18:30.49 | dcordes | see dzo's news |
| 18:30.50 | Marajin | suspend/resume? |
| 18:30.53 | ginge | Marajin: almost proper pm |
| 18:31.13 | ginge | Marajin: most of the data paths are set up for suspend resume, but I can't get the kaiser to behave. |
| 18:31.27 | ginge | the a9 a11 interaaction is tricky for powering up/down |
| 18:31.37 | ginge | don't know if vogue has it yet, the patches would seem to indicat not |
| 18:31.43 | dcordes | Update(6/6/08): I've fixed the browser problems, the G icon should appear now and data will work much more reliably. I've also added support for switching off the panel backlight. |
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| 18:32.08 | ginge | dcordes: yeah, basically just minimal powerdown |
| 18:32.20 | ginge | I got the cpu to scale last night too... down but not up :/ |
| 18:32.23 | Marajin | yeah panel backlight != Pm, that's just ..panel bightness |
| 18:32.28 | Marajin | hehe |
| 18:32.36 | Marajin | so you had a treacle linux kaiser eh? |
| 18:32.43 | dcordes | ginge: that's great. |
| 18:32.49 | ginge | Marajin: pm is shutting down peripherals etc. We can do some of that, so not too far off we hope |
| 18:32.54 | ginge | dcordes: half great ;) |
| 18:33.14 | dcordes | Marajin: when we are talking about cpu, we mean the arm11, right? |
| 18:33.20 | Marajin | nice to know =) |
| 18:33.21 | Marajin | dcordes: yeah |
| 18:33.37 | dcordes | well the arm9 also does quite a lot |
| 18:33.40 | Marajin | though the 9 may scale and whatnot |
| 18:33.45 | ginge | dcordes: they both need to be suspended in the right sequence otherwise the damn modem crashes and takes a11 with it |
| 18:33.46 | dcordes | ginge: can we also scale him? |
| 18:34.10 | ginge | dcordes: it would seem to scale the a9, but no real way to tell without more smd work |
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| 18:34.57 | Marajin | suspend resume bit is always a PIA as I remember, cause sooner or later you get the bugger to suspend but not resume |
| 18:35.14 | Marajin | and you have no idea how annoying that can become on a non-removeable battery device |
| 18:35.17 | ginge | yeah, and you neveer know what happened |
| 18:35.20 | Marajin | remembers the LD. |
| 18:35.37 | ginge | no reset button? |
| 18:35.49 | Marajin | it didn't work in some situations |
| 18:35.58 | Marajin | you could completely lock the LD out |
| 18:36.01 | ginge | would have soldered a button on the battery a massive cable :) |
| 18:36.27 | Marajin | and the only way to get it yes, was to break the power cable from the battery |
| 18:36.34 | Marajin | or wait till complete discharge |
| 18:36.36 | ginge | so what is LD? |
| 18:36.42 | Marajin | PalmOne LifeDrive |
| 18:37.18 | Marajin | 400Mhz PXA270 or so, 32MB RAM, 320x480 (HVGA) screen, 4GB Microdrive |
| 18:37.22 | ginge | ah |
| 18:37.25 | ginge | nice |
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| 18:37.33 | Marajin | 32M of RAM wasn't nice |
| 18:37.38 | Marajin | especially under PalmOS |
| 18:37.52 | Marajin | you got 6.5MB to the application "dynamic heap" |
| 18:37.58 | Marajin | 6.5MB to run your apps in |
| 18:38.12 | ginge | pain on a stick |
| 18:38.34 | Marajin | stupidly the predecessor to the Lifedrive by er 2 generations gave morethan double that |
| 18:38.40 | dcordes | that's awesome ginge. with the scaling and backlight, we have full pm |
| 18:38.56 | Marajin | the LD was pretty catatrophically gimped by a few choice bad decisions |
| 18:39.06 | Marajin | not enough RAM and a useless OS |
| 18:39.34 | ginge | dcordes: err kinda |
| 18:39.38 | Marajin | and an obscure wifi chip, it may never have wifi under linux |
| 18:39.59 | ginge | dcordes: my kaiser lasts about a day with pm on wm so I don't know how lng it will go for :) |
| 18:40.33 | Marajin | ginge: mine can last a coupla days if I'm niceish to it |
| 18:40.41 | Marajin | otherwise it's le boogarred |
| 18:40.49 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, I do hammer mine rather a lt |
| 18:41.02 | dcordes | ginge: a day in standby? |
| 18:41.07 | ginge | Marajin: couple of hours of calls a day and polling 3 email accounts every 10 mins |
| 18:41.18 | Marajin | time to get quantum fusion batterypacks! |
| 18:41.20 | ginge | dcordes: a day with moderate use |
| 18:41.27 | ginge | dcordes: about 1.5 days without |
| 18:41.41 | ginge | better than my BA or hermes :/ |
| 18:41.49 | ginge | BA == battery hog |
| 18:41.57 | Marajin | my hermes will suspend for several days still |
| 18:42.21 | Marajin | what bugs me is when it wakes up to say "help, help low power!" |
| 18:42.29 | ginge | Marajin: that hermes was a serious mistake. btw I figured out what is wrong with it... I need to reflow the gsm chips! |
| 18:42.31 | BabelO | better i see is my artemis :) |
| 18:42.31 | Marajin | and then stays up and kills the battery faster |
| 18:42.39 | ginge | Marajin: it plys loads of noises too :) |
| 18:42.49 | BabelO | better battery life than the se k700 |
| 18:42.50 | BabelO | :) |
| 18:43.16 | Marajin | ginge: reflow them? that sounds paaainful |
| 18:43.19 | ginge | cnt beat my old jornada for battery. that lasted 3-4 days. dual high capacity battery goodness |
| 18:43.36 | ginge | Marajin: not really. I have the stuff to it, just can't be arsed taking it apart |
| 18:43.55 | Marajin | why was the hermes 'a mistake' ? |
| 18:44.19 | joshts0 | ginge: hey ginge ive been away for a while, still moving? |
| 18:44.36 | ginge | Marajin: I sent it back 4 times for repair and then it broke again. it was slow and really painful to resume from pm suspend |
| 18:44.45 | Marajin | hmm |
| 18:44.52 | ginge | joshts0: yeah, just about. No broadband yet so my kaiser is the broadband :( |
| 18:45.03 | Marajin | man your phones are all lazy unsuspenders eh? |
| 18:45.12 | Marajin | I never had such a problem with the hermes |
| 18:45.17 | ginge | Marajin: sounds kinky |
| 18:45.20 | Marajin | the kaiser, more so |
| 18:45.23 | Marajin | but not the hermes |
| 18:45.31 | ginge | Marajin: I think the kaiser is a real dud |
| 18:45.47 | Marajin | It's all down to software though on the kaiser |
| 18:45.52 | BabelO | ginge: ba works well too |
| 18:45.53 | Marajin | and on the hermes I gues |
| 18:45.54 | Marajin | s |
| 18:46.15 | joshts0 | ginge: ha awesome, i love how mine is faster than some peoples slow dsl though.. |
| 18:46.16 | ginge | BabelO: I love my BA. Still use it when my kaisers annoys me |
| 18:46.25 | Marajin | ginge: Oh my dentist sulked at me for typing away on my kaiser heh |
| 18:46.27 | ginge | joshts0: yeah really :) |
| 18:46.36 | BabelO | ginge: i mean linux on ba |
| 18:46.38 | ginge | Marajin: while your teeth were being done? nutter |
| 18:46.42 | Marajin | ginge: Nah man |
| 18:46.44 | ginge | BabelO: me too |
| 18:46.58 | Marajin | ginge: Just in the waiting room/shutting it down as I was getting in the chair |
| 18:47.12 | BabelO | ginge: did you fix keyboard ? |
| 18:47.18 | dcordes | BabelO: yea ba works if you have no board id 6 |
| 18:47.28 | ginge | BabelO: id6 |
| 18:47.39 | dcordes | BabelO: can I ask you a question.. you're familiar with git, aren't you? |
| 18:47.47 | BabelO | dcordes: cr have started the driver, but can not help you |
| 18:47.51 | ginge | BabelO: didnt bother trying. its seems to get jammed up |
| 18:48.25 | dcordes | BabelO: yes I know, I tried the display init he wrote for ba but it did nto work. |
| 18:49.03 | Marajin | ginge: And ya know... the concept of your boss being happy with you sodomizing the vox is debateable :P |
| 18:49.21 | Marajin | ginge: I mean viciously voiding the warranty technically |
| 18:49.29 | ginge | Marajin: meh |
| 18:49.36 | ginge | Marajin: what he doesn't know... |
| 18:49.59 | ginge | Marajin: if I break it really quickly I might get a raphael :) |
| 18:50.00 | BabelO | ginge: ok for the resume stuff, you have too kind of hack, first is to disable the lcd power suspend and second is to try to fix cr2 dirver for boardid6 |
| 18:50.10 | Marajin | ginge: You won't :P |
| 18:50.22 | ginge | Marajin: you are right :( |
| 18:50.31 | ginge | BabelO: ok, thanks |
| 18:50.36 | Marajin | ginge: ...Sabotage it! Make it seem really unusable and tell him to return it and get the raphael |
| 18:50.44 | ginge | gotta go for a bit. need to go and buy some junk food. |
| 18:51.44 | BabelO | dcordes: i use git yes, and happy with current version because it display help when command fail :) |
| 18:52.05 | ginge | than back to reading the mddi specification |
| 18:52.17 | dcordes | BabelO: do you think you could help me cloning the htc-2.6.25 branch? |
| 19:04.25 | BabelO | dcordes: what do you want to do ? not simply git clone i suppose ? you want to create your own branch ? |
| 19:06.33 | dcordes | BabelO: htc-msm in the linuxtogo kernel.git, is a clone of the 2.6.24 branch android-msm from git.google.com. Now google went 2.6.25 and created the branch android-msm-2.6.25. ginge ported htc-msm from .24 to that .25 repo. we would like to put this port on top of htc-msm-2.6.25, a clone of android-msm-2.6.25 |
| 19:08.57 | BabelO | dcordes: you don't want simply to upgrade htc-msn to 2.6.25 ? |
| 19:09.21 | dcordes | BabelO: didn't think about that! |
| 19:09.48 | dcordes | BabelO: the thing is, we cloned it like at least 2 months ago, and ever since, we did not sync with the google side |
| 19:09.57 | dcordes | so htc-msm has an obsolte codebase |
| 19:10.13 | BabelO | ah ok |
| 19:10.37 | dcordes | I think we could drop it completely. I doubt anybody want to support it if we have a .25 branch |
| 19:10.43 | BabelO | dcordes: you need to wait ph5 or Kevin2 |
| 19:10.51 | dcordes | Kevin2: ping |
| 19:11.06 | dcordes | BabelO: pH5 is on vacation or so. didn't see him in 5 days |
| 19:13.08 | BabelO | dcordes: is android coming out soon ? |
| 19:16.55 | kiozen | BabelO: anyway to find the c source code line from the offset address of a backtrace? |
| 19:18.07 | BabelO | kiozen: kernel ? |
| 19:20.36 | kiozen | BabelO: yes |
| 19:20.38 | BabelO | kiozen: build .sym file and use kgdb |
| 19:20.56 | BabelO | works well |
| 19:20.57 | dcordes | BabelO: the google phone? |
| 19:21.06 | dcordes | (which does not exist, there is no gphone lol) |
| 19:21.15 | kiozen | BabelO: who do i build a sym file? |
| 19:21.31 | BabelO | kiozen: by default it is |
| 19:21.34 | tmzt | does kgdb work on arm now? |
| 19:21.43 | kiozen | ok, let's see.. |
| 19:22.06 | dcordes | BabelO: I don't know. I don't read the gossip about it. |
| 19:22.40 | tmzt | android? or http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3080867080.html?kc=rss |
| 19:23.48 | dcordes | tmzt: oh that's intersting. but what about ezx? is that anything new motorola presents there? |
| 19:23.55 | dcordes | does this involve younger devices? |
| 19:25.15 | tmzt | it's motomagx, I think, which is still qt based like ezx |
| 19:25.34 | BabelO | tmzt: http://kgdb.linsyssoft.com/downloads.htm |
| 19:25.35 | dcordes | I thought ezx is only the kernel level base |
| 19:25.38 | tmzt | razr2v8, some slider, zn5 camera ? |
| 19:26.08 | dcordes | the razt2v8 is quite popular no? |
| 19:26.11 | dcordes | razt |
| 19:26.25 | dcordes | I need my old keyboard back |
| 19:26.26 | tmzt | they had said before that only java develpment would be available to the public |
| 19:26.50 | tmzt | not really, but t-mobile in usa has it but not with smartphone data plan |
| 19:27.34 | tmzt | its only edge tough and v9 is not linux based |
| 19:27.58 | tmzt | did you get remote access on kaiser? |
| 19:28.23 | dcordes | I have seen the razr2* kind of devices often placed in movies etc |
| 19:28.35 | tmzt | two qvga screens! |
| 19:28.53 | dcordes | remote access? |
| 19:28.57 | tmzt | ssh |
| 19:29.00 | dcordes | yea |
| 19:29.23 | tmzt | so we only need strace /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 ? you can log on pc? |
| 19:29.47 | dcordes | booting. |
| 19:32.30 | dcordes | last time I tried to reverse the connection something went wrong |
| 19:32.39 | dcordes | sshing out of kaiser always works though |
| 19:33.36 | dcordes | the image currently on kaiser work partition was built for a780 |
| 19:34.08 | dcordes | because of the qvga apps |
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| 19:38.41 | dcordes | tmzt: logged in. |
| 19:40.02 | dcordes | lol there go my 300M |
| 19:41.07 | dcordes | tmzt: http://rafb.net/p/mIb1OI29.html |
| 19:42.33 | tmzt | do you have xev? |
| 19:42.45 | dcordes | noo |
| 19:42.54 | tmzt | can you install the ipk |
| 19:42.55 | dcordes | scp |
| 19:43.16 | dcordes | I only need usr/bin/xev? |
| 19:43.21 | tmzt | it's reading the event device |
| 19:43.25 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:43.58 | dcordes | making an ipk real quick |
| 19:44.37 | dcordes | ginge: I like digikey. I think they sent the package w/o having received my wire payment yet |
| 19:45.35 | Marajin | ergh |
| 19:47.28 | dcordes | tmzt: ok got the xev |
| 19:48.04 | tmzt | DISPLAY=:0 xev |
| 19:48.13 | dcordes | it prints --help |
| 19:48.16 | tmzt | did you kill X or did it crash? |
| 19:48.53 | dcordes | I launched it from remote |
| 19:49.06 | dcordes | while kaiser was in fbcon |
| 19:49.18 | tmzt | you don't get unable to open display '..." |
| 19:49.19 | dcordes | brb need to grab a beer |
| 19:49.32 | dcordes | root@a780:~$ xev DISPLAY=:0 |
| 19:49.33 | dcordes | usage: xev [-options ...] |
| 19:49.33 | dcordes | where options include: |
| 19:49.52 | tmzt | DISPLAY=:0 xev |
| 19:50.13 | tmzt | X has to be running |
| 19:50.31 | dcordes | root@a780:~$ DISPLAY=:0 xev |
| 19:50.32 | dcordes | xev: unable to open display ':0' |
| 19:50.34 | tmzt | two ssh sessions? |
| 19:50.35 | dcordes | I see |
| 19:51.15 | dcordes | shall I try and get the proper X |
| 19:51.24 | tmzt | proper X? |
| 19:51.25 | ginge | dcordes: I paid with visa delta so It went directly from my acccount. |
| 19:52.13 | tmzt | open a second ssh session and start Xfbdev :0 no strace |
| 19:53.20 | dcordes | tmzt: yea already openned it, I can't get the X with background and curosr to display- all that I'm getting is the black screen or black screen with underscore |
| 19:53.48 | dcordes | tmzt: but every time I close Xfbdev, the X background with curosr flashes up fro a second |
| 19:54.05 | dcordes | like if it was drawn underneath the black |
| 19:54.40 | tmzt | do you get anything from xev? |
| 19:54.54 | tmzt | try touching in the top left corner |
| 19:55.12 | tmzt | we might need geometry on xev |
| 19:55.12 | dcordes | yep let me paste |
| 19:55.26 | dcordes | is that not relevant with the black screen? |
| 19:55.36 | tmzt | don't know |
| 19:56.01 | tmzt | you can keep trying X if you want |
| 19:56.01 | dcordes | xev works |
| 19:56.13 | tmzt | you get the events from xev? |
| 19:56.14 | dcordes | it won't draw correcly |
| 19:56.18 | dcordes | I already restard it often |
| 19:56.27 | dcordes | YEA |
| 19:56.38 | tmzt | do you have fbcon rotated? |
| 19:57.35 | dcordes | yea |
| 19:57.40 | dcordes | shall I 0 it? |
| 19:57.44 | tmzt | yes |
| 19:58.27 | tmzt | try a chvt 1 chvt 7 from ssh if you can and see if the console redraws over X |
| 19:58.36 | ginge | dcordes: wow... I just read the last 20 pages of the forum I missed while moving... lots of issues that need looking at, and lots of non issues (amongst the pointless griping) is there anything that strikes you as a genuine problem the the kaiser at the moment? |
| 19:59.10 | dcordes | wow? I don't see anything exciting in the forums |
| 19:59.24 | dcordes | excpet of the guy who pretends he has opie |
| 19:59.28 | ginge | dcordes: no me either just 20 pages of waa waa waa |
| 19:59.33 | dcordes | ^^ |
| 19:59.40 | ginge | I kinda skipped most of the unverified claims |
| 19:59.55 | dcordes | just ignore the forum |
| 20:00.05 | ginge | I generally do :) |
| 20:00.32 | ginge | so no keyboard problems you know of? I should map esc for those guys |
| 20:00.36 | dcordes | if I may cite, "Go make an angstorm topic, this topic is for android, and its progress." |
| 20:00.41 | dcordes | hrhr |
| 20:01.32 | ginge | I couldn't work out what that was all about :) |
| 20:02.05 | dcordes | tmzt: I have "Xfbdev" ran in the one ssh, then I did chvt1 from the other, and the screen flashed and is now black with two X background lines printed from the top |
| 20:02.23 | dcordes | tmzt: getting you some xev output now while touching with 0 |
| 20:02.27 | tmzt | chvt 7 |
| 20:02.59 | dcordes | I think the connection died after the chvtz |
| 20:03.09 | dcordes | it didn't switch to the command line afterwards |
| 20:03.18 | dcordes | root@a780:~$ chvt 1 |
| 20:03.21 | kiozen | hm, kdbg patches don't work for my kerneö :/ |
| 20:03.28 | dcordes | tmzt: but, I got xev output. |
| 20:04.27 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-xev.txt |
| 20:04.53 | tmzt | there was stuff about that on arm-kernel list which is why I asked |
| 20:04.58 | dcordes | kiozen: what's kdbg? |
| 20:05.08 | tmzt | kgdb and the trace thing didn't get merged yet |
| 20:05.26 | kiozen | kgdb ;) |
| 20:05.53 | dcordes | tmzt: all the xev output only arrived when I touched. |
| 20:06.20 | tmzt | try it again and see if you can match this with a press: |
| 20:06.23 | tmzt | ButtonPress event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, |
| 20:06.23 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:06.23 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.13 | tmzt | DISPLAY:0 xev -geometry 320x240 |
| 20:08.24 | tmzt | (or reverse) |
| 20:08.28 | dcordes | I need to reboot |
| 20:08.32 | dcordes | reset the conn |
| 20:08.34 | tmzt | ok |
| 20:08.50 | dcordes | what does the xev output tell us? |
| 20:09.12 | dcordes | any parallels to the invalid update Xfbdev messages I recvd before? |
| 20:14.22 | dcordes | suited and booted |
| 20:19.55 | BabelO | kiozen: :( it is for 2.6.13 not so far than 2.6.11 ? |
| 20:20.06 | BabelO | you can not finsih merge by hand ? |
| 20:20.10 | tmzt | xev should give all the events received by its window, including expose events, mouse events (touchscreen), and whatever else |
| 20:20.53 | kiozen | BabelO: too many errors in code I do not have the slightest clue about |
| 20:20.54 | tmzt | it sounds like the graphics issues might be the mdp update timer (fake vsync) in the kernel, but I don't know |
| 20:21.25 | BabelO | kiozen: poor :( normally kgdb is code independant... |
| 20:21.53 | kiozen | it even failes in the makefile :/ |
| 20:22.17 | BabelO | kiozen: ah possible, no so big merge |
| 20:22.57 | dcordes | ahh no now it fscks around again |
| 20:23.02 | dcordes | won't connect |
| 20:23.04 | BabelO | kiozen: you get patch from here ? http://kgdb.linsyssoft.com/intro.htm |
| 20:23.09 | kiozen | yes |
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| 20:27.48 | BabelO | kiozen: i ve that too http://lkcd.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 20:28.01 | BabelO | kiozen: but it is on 2.6.26-rc6 for htc artemis |
| 20:29.26 | BabelO | kiozen: else you can look at kernel hacking menu what is available in 2.6.11 |
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| 20:36.33 | dcordes | tmzt: ok, I'm logged in again. so what am I supposed to do now? run Xfbdev on one console, DISPLAY:0 xev -geometry 320x240 on the other one, and try and get a similar output from xev like that: |
| 20:36.40 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> ButtonPress event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, |
| 20:36.41 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> root 0x3a, subw 0x0, time 1781287547, (136,155), root:(138,157), |
| 20:36.44 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> state 0x0, button 1, same_screen YES |
| 20:36.46 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> ButtonPress event, serial 18, synthetic NO, window 0x200001, |
| 20:36.48 | dcordes | sry |
| 20:36.50 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> root 0x3a, subw 0x0, time 1781287547, (136,155), root:(138,157), |
| 20:36.53 | dcordes | 22:06 < tmzt> state 0x0, button 1, same_screen YES |
| 20:41.52 | tmzt | yes, see if the coordinates match were you press |
| 20:41.58 | tmzt | (136,155) |
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| 20:43.24 | dcordes | 320x240 <- shouldn't that be 240x320? |
| 20:43.44 | tmzt | right, whichever fbset says |
| 20:44.49 | dcordes | gprs is so damn slow |
| 20:45.05 | dcordes | root@a780:~$ fbset |
| 20:45.05 | dcordes | mode "240x320" geometry 240 320 240 640 16 timings 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 rgba 5/11,6/5,5/0,0/0 |
| 20:45.08 | dcordes | endmode |
| 20:45.49 | tmzt | the patch for fbdev is not there |
| 20:45.52 | tmzt | ? |
| 20:46.12 | dcordes | wait |
| 20:46.15 | dcordes | what fbdev patch? |
| 20:46.25 | dcordes | the printf one? |
| 20:47.01 | dcordes | the kernel is the very same (your patched one) |
| 20:47.12 | dcordes | but that 640... |
| 20:47.34 | dcordes | coem on I hope I didn't put the wrong kernel now |
| 20:49.33 | dcordes | I just received an intersting printk on the kaiser screen |
| 20:49.59 | dcordes | msmfb_pan_display timeout waiting for frame start, 38673 38671 |
| 20:51.04 | tmzt | we will probably have to rewrite msmfb to get away from android stuff |
| 20:51.21 | tmzt | but that looks like a vsync problem |
| 20:52.00 | tmzt | it wants to swap the buffers but I doesn't get the signal from android display server |
| 20:53.09 | dcordes | is that connected to the blackscreen/underscore? |
| 20:54.25 | tmzt | it seems that fbcon draws on the top half and they want X to draw on the bottom half and something swaps them? |
| 20:54.40 | tmzt | try the fbset -g or the other zImage |
| 20:55.12 | tmzt | it underscore what you get as the waiting cursor on the console? |
| 20:55.37 | tmzt | blinking cursor like where you would type next |
| 20:57.21 | dcordes | nah |
| 20:57.26 | dcordes | frozen cursor |
| 20:57.45 | dcordes | and the odd thing is, even if fbcon rotate=0, still the cursor is landscap |
| 20:57.46 | dcordes | e |
| 20:59.05 | tmzt | but is it the same cursor shape? |
| 20:59.39 | tmzt | might be that fbcon uses the pan for scrolling ? |
| 20:59.51 | dcordes | no I'm making sure I always put fbcon rotate=0 |
| 20:59.56 | tmzt | android and msmfb expect it to one screen at a time |
| 21:00.12 | dcordes | we need to get this whole odd android stuff outta that kernel. |
| 21:00.36 | dcordes | I wonder why I got the vres x*2 image |
| 21:01.04 | dcordes | so focus... I want that pressure output from xev. |
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| 21:08.00 | tmzt | pressure? it should be a mose click, pressure is available from XIE |
| 21:09.02 | dcordes | I tapped moved held down etc in the paste |
| 21:09.08 | dcordes | what's not in the paste, is not going to appear now |
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| 21:11.52 | exco1 | http://flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/show/ |
| 21:13.22 | dcordes | is that your photos? |
| 21:13.50 | exco1 | ah, sorry, wrong chatwindow |
| 21:14.13 | exco1 | that would be awesome... but no... unfortunately not |
| 21:20.12 | dcordes | tmzt: still around? |
| 21:31.51 | dcordes | gnight guys |
| 21:35.37 | ginge | night |
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| 22:54.20 | Kevin2 | dcordes: pong |
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| 23:05.41 | AlGe | Hi all |
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| 23:09.50 | AlGe | after long time som news from me: |
| 23:09.50 | AlGe | I (hopefully) managed to overcome the "could not get Mixer 'Phone'" and wrong "Output Mux" value. |
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| 23:11.06 | BabelO | Olllaaa |
| 23:11.10 | AlGe | that means a new gomunicator is in my recent ba-image at http://www.algepop.net/users/alge/angstrom-ba/ |
| 23:11.34 | AlGe | this time also with DTMF feedback from the phonepad. |
| 23:12.05 | BabelO | AlGe: you have to post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=367866&page=4 here :) |
| 23:12.52 | AlGe | ok, will do so. |
| 23:13.48 | AlGe | something new to tell from the qtopia side? (I guess I missed lots of things the last 2 or 3 months) |
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| 23:19.05 | BabelO | AlGe: nothing new, still waiting for qtopia 4.4. and i m working on artemis part http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393973 |
| 23:19.21 | BabelO | and http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Artemis |
| 23:24.25 | AlGe | well, I also have an Omap 850 sitting around here and doing nothing ... (HTC Oxygen). |
| 23:27.14 | AlGe | bye, its little bit late already |
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| 23:55.03 | ginge | tmzt: ping |