| 00:01.12 | Marajin | hah |
| 00:01.41 | Marajin | dcordes: not to mention geordies, cocknies, manks, brummies, etc. ? |
| 00:02.27 | Marajin | scousers.. |
| 00:02.30 | Marajin | ginge: What else is there/ |
| 00:02.37 | dcordes | I just stumbled across that one when I looked up wossname |
| 00:03.52 | Marajin | dcordes: Plenty more for you to look up then ^_~ |
| 00:05.14 | dcordes | Where did you disappear to? - Oh, I've been working at the play doh factory. |
| 00:05.25 | Marajin | O.o |
| 00:05.29 | Marajin | wtf is that meant to mean? |
| 00:06.07 | dcordes | that's the question |
| 00:07.18 | Marajin | One day we'll have a HTC European LUG meeting and you can boggle at the accents I guess :P |
| 00:07.54 | dcordes | that'll be fun and you can laugh about my b0rken english |
| 00:09.12 | Marajin | We already do that! |
| 00:09.17 | Marajin | I mean er... No we wouldn't! |
| 00:09.19 | Marajin | :P |
| 00:10.00 | Marajin | well if you ever feel upset by it just make me speak german, you'd have plenty of chance to abuse me |
| 00:12.24 | ginge | yeah and I learned Russian at school, so no german at all! |
| 00:13.07 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:13.13 | Marajin | ginge: How about french? |
| 00:13.22 | ginge | nope |
| 00:13.33 | Marajin | Parlez vous un petit peu de francais? |
| 00:13.38 | Marajin | Non? Sacre bleu! |
| 00:13.55 | NAiL | Parlez frog? |
| 00:14.04 | Marajin | Hey I'm from lancashire though, my family things the french for "thanks" is "mercy bucket" |
| 00:14.15 | Marajin | *thinks |
| 00:14.31 | dcordes | Julien habite dans la rue Daguerre |
| 00:14.44 | Marajin | "Egg 'n chips ya froggy bastard! Mercy bucket silly plait" |
| 00:15.06 | ginge | our familys would get on famously |
| 00:15.22 | Marajin | Dude, I'm not marrying you :P |
| 00:15.30 | ginge | Ñ Ð½Ðµ Ð¿Ð¾Ð½Ð¸Ð¼Ð°Ñ |
| 00:15.40 | Marajin | nevermind |
| 00:15.58 | NAiL | Marajin: Heirate Mich! |
| 00:16.00 | NAiL | :P |
| 00:16.03 | ginge | Ñ Ð»ÑÐ±Ð»Ñ ÐÐ°Ñ :o |
| 00:16.21 | NAiL | has been listening too much to Rammstein lately |
| 00:16.40 | Marajin | NAiL: Nee! Die Ehrbeeren sagt dass ich muss nicht! |
| 00:16.49 | ginge | damn Rammstein torched my eyebrows at a gig |
| 00:16.57 | Marajin | Und die haehnchen hab die knussknacker |
| 00:16.58 | ginge | pissing fire on me |
| 00:17.11 | Marajin | ginge: Ever seen gwar in concert ? :D |
| 00:17.12 | dcordes | rotfl |
| 00:17.30 | ginge | Marajin: nope |
| 00:17.35 | dcordes | und die haenchen hab die knussknacker |
| 00:17.36 | dcordes | hahahaha |
| 00:17.40 | Marajin | dcordes: Yes I know how insane what I just said is ;) I said that in my school exam once during "rolenspielen" |
| 00:18.09 | Marajin | ginge: Man they're fun :P |
| 00:18.14 | NAiL | Ich verstehen ein bischen deutch, but that's about as far as it gets :P |
| 00:18.24 | ginge | Marajin: i'll bet |
| 00:18.34 | Marajin | ginge: They spray so much fake blood that manchester academy was 3 inches deep by the end of the concert.. like all of it |
| 00:18.42 | ginge | lol |
| 00:18.53 | Marajin | NAiL: I basically said that the strawberries said I mustn't and that the chickens have nutcrackers |
| 00:18.58 | NAiL | I do however have (although not strictly german) a pair of Lederhosen! :-P |
| 00:19.13 | dcordes | Marajin: that's right |
| 00:19.13 | Marajin | ginge: I put my head under the shower and the water ran red for /15 minutes/ |
| 00:19.14 | ginge | dare not ask |
| 00:19.35 | Marajin | ginge: Then again I was stood front center 2nd row :p |
| 00:19.55 | ginge | Marajin: that sounds like one of those arctic monkey gigs... but its not fake blood... |
| 00:20.05 | Marajin | ginge: At one point they essentially had one of those riot pressurised watercannons spraying it. If you put your hands up you got it in the face. |
| 00:20.05 | dcordes | Marajin: you have another one of those? |
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| 00:20.09 | dcordes | Marajin: sentences? |
| 00:20.12 | NAiL | Marajin: I *kinda* guessed something about berries and nutcrackers. I had a german GF a few years back :-P |
| 00:20.33 | Marajin | dcordes: Um, I used to have a ramble about low flying strawberries that gave the best armoured fistfucks |
| 00:20.37 | Marajin | NAiL: Me too :P |
| 00:20.48 | Marajin | NAiL: Crazy, crazy woman |
| 00:20.58 | NAiL | Marajin: Well, you're probably German. But I'm not. She was Crazy though ;) |
| 00:21.01 | rikkkk | hi there excuse me what kind of linux can be installed on htc tytn 2 a.k.a. kaiser? |
| 00:21.19 | Marajin | NAiL: I'm english |
| 00:21.45 | dcordes | 23:09 < marajin> rikkkk7: It's possible to run linux on the kaiser yes |
| 00:21.45 | dcordes | 23:09 < dcordes> http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ get this stuff! |
| 00:21.55 | NAiL | Marajin: Why'd you hook up with a german girl then? :P |
| 00:22.07 | Marajin | NAiL: Cause she was hotter than a supernova |
| 00:22.13 | rikkkk | iok sorry if already asked but i lose the logfile |
| 00:22.17 | rikkkk | tnx anyway |
| 00:22.18 | ginge | Marajin: lol |
| 00:22.21 | dcordes | nevermind |
| 00:23.08 | Marajin | what's the song, "Damn, you're crazy bitch but you f*** so good, I'm on top of it" ? |
| 00:23.22 | NAiL | hahah |
| 00:23.41 | NAiL | I met a german girl in .ie |
| 00:23.51 | rikkkk | is there a software for that pda thaa can make me talk with dead people? o_O |
| 00:24.00 | Marajin | rikkkk: yep! |
| 00:24.03 | ginge | wtf? |
| 00:24.28 | NAiL | Now, I had gotten used to the irish girls, and the german girl was a stunner! Of course, that's because .ie girls are fugly as heck. |
| 00:24.28 | rikkkk | all right |
| 00:24.45 | ginge | rofl |
| 00:24.46 | Marajin | NAiL: Hah, most of them, most of them ;) |
| 00:24.57 | Marajin | NAiL: I knew a fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine irish girl once |
| 00:25.26 | NAiL | Marajin: There were a *select few*, but they only showed up on Sunday evenings for some f*cked up reason. The rest of the week they were nowhere to be seen. |
| 00:25.42 | Marajin | NAiL: Dude, it's ireland, their dads are so overprotective it's nuts |
| 00:25.55 | NAiL | I'm not surprised |
| 00:25.56 | Marajin | scotland can be interesting |
| 00:26.15 | Marajin | they're... quite adventurous the scot lasses |
| 00:26.36 | NAiL | I was a bit too young to discover that the two times I visited scotland |
| 00:26.48 | Marajin | If there's grass on the wicket.. |
| 00:26.51 | NAiL | haha |
| 00:26.52 | Marajin | grins. |
| 00:26.52 | ginge | grim |
| 00:27.06 | Marajin | Hey I said wicket, not pitch, different genders! |
| 00:27.41 | Marajin | messed around with 20-somethings at 14 actually.. |
| 00:27.55 | Marajin | which nowadays is kinda disturbing :P |
| 00:27.59 | Marajin | But at 14 it's just fun |
| 00:28.23 | ginge | at 14 I was too busy soldering and writing code to notice girls |
| 00:28.35 | Marajin | Amazingly I managed to do both. |
| 00:28.45 | Marajin | Truly my best years were over by the time I left my teens :( |
| 00:28.46 | ginge | you lie! |
| 00:28.59 | ginge | doesnt that go for everyone? |
| 00:29.05 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:29.19 | Marajin | dunno, I thought it was fashion int he geek world to discover women at 25? :P |
| 00:30.20 | ginge | if at all |
| 00:30.35 | Marajin | ANd thus we are gods amongst the geek-kind |
| 00:31.14 | ginge | depends on your geek level too. |
| 00:31.58 | Marajin | how so? |
| 00:32.15 | Marajin | I think you're thinking of nerdery, 's a different thing :P |
| 00:32.41 | Marajin | the point where you have to find your best anorak, wipe the slobber off the pamela anderson poster and actually go outside? |
| 00:33.17 | ginge | age of interest in women if higher the geekier you are |
| 00:33.28 | Marajin | hmm |
| 00:33.29 | ginge | s/if/is/ |
| 00:33.45 | Marajin | So you're saying I have no geekery at all? |
| 00:34.31 | ginge | social skills are like another skill to learn in the geek skillset. |
| 00:35.13 | ginge | imagine a mud where you are a geek and you cant talk without people leaving until you practice up your socials skills |
| 00:35.25 | Marajin | Who needs social skills |
| 00:35.31 | Marajin | raw charm and charisma stats! |
| 00:35.46 | ginge | Marajin: those are also things that can be practiced up |
| 00:35.48 | Marajin | and actually some of the MUDs with language skills are like that |
| 00:35.52 | ginge | Marajin: well learned and studied |
| 00:36.00 | Marajin | Well, you have a natural base and a learned modifier yes |
| 00:36.04 | ginge | Marajin: yeah, I chose an example you might appreciate |
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| 00:36.43 | Marajin | heh, I /wrote/ MUDs, I so don't appreciate them ;) |
| 00:37.00 | ginge | Marajin: I hacked on some muds :) |
| 00:37.09 | ginge | Marajin: I'll let you play it when I have broadband |
| 00:37.26 | Marajin | quietly sweeps his DGD mudlib into a tarball and hides it somewhere on the filesystem. |
| 00:37.57 | Marajin | I once made a friend in real life like that :P |
| 00:37.59 | ginge | I hacked on envymud |
| 00:38.13 | Marajin | He glanced at me coding on my laptop and went "....do you MUD perchance?" |
| 00:38.15 | ginge | Marajin: I went to mudmeets a couple of times :) |
| 00:38.41 | ginge | what level of geekdom is that? |
| 00:38.49 | Marajin | mudmeets? not really, they're social events ;) |
| 00:38.52 | Marajin | Man they're comical though |
| 00:38.59 | Marajin | drunk mudders? |
| 00:39.02 | ginge | its just beer beer beer |
| 00:39.05 | Marajin | going nuts because a few female muders turn up |
| 00:39.09 | ginge | lol |
| 00:39.38 | Marajin | ZOMG! TITS! |
| 00:39.40 | Marajin | :p |
| 00:39.47 | Marajin | there are no girls on the internets! |
| 00:39.50 | dcordes | wtf is MUD?!?!! |
| 00:39.58 | Marajin | pats dcordes on the head. |
| 00:40.02 | Marajin | Your geek-fu is no good! |
| 00:40.02 | ginge | the youth of today :/ |
| 00:40.37 | ginge | dcordes: like a mmorpg but in text and well better |
| 00:40.40 | dcordes | ~lart dcordes |
| 00:40.40 | apt | slaps dcordes upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 00:40.43 | Marajin | ginge: Yeah, these damn whippersnappers |
| 00:40.48 | ginge | get off my lawn! |
| 00:40.49 | dcordes | I'm only half good in everything |
| 00:40.55 | NAiL | "Multi-User Dungeon" |
| 00:40.58 | dcordes | s/in/at/ |
| 00:41.02 | Marajin | dcordes: Yeah, they were MMOs but in the 70s- 90s |
| 00:41.13 | dcordes | I tried the grue game :) |
| 00:41.18 | NAiL | never did MUDs, unlike a few of his friends |
| 00:41.20 | Marajin | zork? |
| 00:41.22 | Marajin | haha |
| 00:41.24 | dcordes | right |
| 00:41.34 | Marajin | ginge: 'member zork? |
| 00:41.40 | ginge | you were eaten by a grue |
| 00:41.40 | dcordes | it's so not my generation |
| 00:41.48 | Marajin | dcordes: Dude, how old are you? |
| 00:41.50 | dcordes | I'm a command and conquer freak when it comes to gaming |
| 00:41.59 | dcordes | 20 |
| 00:42.00 | ginge | dcordes: snap |
| 00:42.04 | NAiL | was more into BBS'es... I guess L.O.R.D. is kinda a mud :-P |
| 00:42.08 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:42.15 | Marajin | I had an acoustic coupler for my QL |
| 00:42.23 | Marajin | fear that dialup arrangement! |
| 00:42.25 | ginge | Marajin: those were the days :) |
| 00:42.33 | ginge | 2400 bps over a coupler |
| 00:42.40 | Marajin | damn straight! |
| 00:42.47 | Marajin | we were flying through the byes |
| 00:42.49 | Marajin | *bytes |
| 00:42.53 | NAiL | had a ISA 2400baud modem |
| 00:43.02 | NAiL | Used it to telnet to an IRC server |
| 00:43.08 | Marajin | nowadays I get upset if I have to use a slow broadband connection :( |
| 00:43.32 | ginge | Marajin: this gprs is killing me. |
| 00:43.37 | Marajin | ginge: srsly |
| 00:43.42 | dcordes | I've seen the internet the first time in my life when my brother turned un the 56k and logged into AOL on christmas eve when I was a small fart |
| 00:43.48 | ginge | when the high speed doodad works it is blazingly fast |
| 00:44.04 | Marajin | HSUPA? yeah |
| 00:44.09 | Marajin | Ican get sub 200ms pings on HSUPA |
| 00:44.16 | ginge | Marajin: HSDPDSPSDSDASD or whatever |
| 00:44.18 | NAiL | dcordes: You were a small fart when 56k existed? Pretty young then? :P |
| 00:44.19 | Marajin | but I have to stand on the front bedroom windowsill to get it |
| 00:44.27 | Marajin | NAiL: He just said he's 20 |
| 00:44.35 | NAiL | dang, didn't see that |
| 00:44.41 | NAiL | that's like 10 years less than me |
| 00:44.50 | Marajin | grins. |
| 00:45.32 | ginge | night all |
| 00:45.39 | NAiL | wants to play the original Legend of the Red Dragon again :( |
| 00:45.40 | dcordes | nightey |
| 00:45.44 | Marajin | night ginge |
| 00:46.19 | Marajin | He's just running before anyone asks how old HE is ;) |
| 00:46.24 | NAiL | The closest BBS to me that had LORD was just a long-distance call away. My parents went nuts every month. |
| 00:46.53 | Marajin | haha :P |
| 00:47.06 | Marajin | yeah I used to get chewed out for dialing up when I was meant to be doing homework |
| 00:48.11 | NAiL | My parents cut my phone cable several times... I had to sneak it past their bedroom at night to play :P |
| 00:48.19 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 00:48.37 | Marajin | My parents gave up with me eventually |
| 00:48.54 | Marajin | by 14 I pretty much went to bed when I felt like it and stayed connected all night |
| 00:49.19 | NAiL | They never gave up on me, until I packed up my things and moved to Ireland :-P |
| 00:49.23 | Marajin | dials up and chooses "Global Thermonuclear War"! |
| 00:49.59 | Marajin | ya know they actually made a sequel to that movie this year? |
| 00:50.22 | NAiL | no shit? |
| 00:50.27 | dcordes | those pixels on my screen blinking multi colour everywhere make me worry about gpu temp |
| 00:51.52 | Marajin | NAiL: No shit, the original machine even makes an appearance |
| 00:52.24 | Marajin | dcordes: Er you have artifacting, that's probably bad yes |
| 00:52.26 | NAiL | cool |
| 00:52.29 | NAiL | Marajin: title? |
| 00:52.35 | Marajin | NAiL: War-games 2? :P |
| 00:52.46 | Marajin | NAiL: "Wargames 2 : The Dead Code" |
| 00:54.52 | NAiL | takes a look |
| 00:55.28 | Marajin | Tis a silly movie |
| 00:55.34 | NAiL | I don't doubt it |
| 00:55.38 | Marajin | heh |
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| 00:58.08 | Marajin | Is it time for the lunacy to set in yet? |
| 00:58.49 | NAiL | heh.. |
| 00:58.49 | NAiL | User Comments: |
| 00:58.50 | NAiL | Why? Oh why? Oh why!! |
| 00:59.02 | Marajin | :D |
| 00:59.13 | Marajin | I actually enjoyed it but not because the movie was good, but rather because it was bad |
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| 00:59.31 | Marajin | I generally enjoy terrible movies :P |
| 00:59.32 | NAiL | some bad movies rock :P |
| 00:59.38 | Marajin | Hard rock zombies! |
| 00:59.39 | Marajin | :D |
| 01:00.20 | NAiL | I'm busywaiting for an OE build to finish anyway, so might as well watch something |
| 01:00.29 | Marajin | yeah that happens |
| 01:00.48 | Marajin | This is why my /store/vids/Movies folder contains about 300 files :P |
| 01:00.49 | dcordes | NAiL: what are you building for? |
| 01:00.58 | NAiL | dcordes: a NAS device |
| 01:01.14 | NAiL | IOMEGA Storcenter |
| 01:01.33 | dcordes | does it have a machine type or does it require extra care? |
| 01:02.26 | NAiL | It's powerpc, but the original u-boot doesn't pass dtc, so I've built a chainloaded u-boot that does. |
| 01:03.59 | NAiL | I don't think a single one of my devices properly passes dtc or atag with stock bootloaders |
| 01:04.30 | Marajin | Gotta love it |
| 01:04.51 | NAiL | heh, yeah |
| 01:05.14 | NAiL | like the NSLU2, where a short assembler snippet that creates the correct ATAG is prepended to the kernel image. |
| 01:05.53 | Marajin | guh, more caffeine and nicotine required |
| 01:06.18 | NAiL | My Thecus N2100 might actually pass the correct data... Thecus actually listened to us and updated redboot :-P |
| 01:07.12 | Marajin | Ah thecus aren't so bad |
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| 01:08.18 | NAiL | The latest redboot for the n2100 is semi-broken though. It only uses its compiled-in environment |
| 01:09.17 | Marajin | tsk |
| 01:09.22 | Marajin | anyway I'm off to get tea |
| 01:10.38 | NAiL | crap, my build bombed |
| 01:10.45 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | hello all- by chance, does anyone know anything about the HTC Shift? |
| 01:11.12 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | My friend just got one and we've been messing with it... |
| 01:11.57 | Marajin | mib_cvnqi1p8: What do you want to know about it? |
| 01:13.18 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | well our eventual a general goal is to try to get it to make voice calls... |
| 01:13.34 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | but I'm sort of new to the mobile thing, and I'm just kind of interested |
| 01:13.35 | Marajin | it doesn't have the AT for it, it's data only |
| 01:13.42 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | the AT? |
| 01:13.46 | Marajin | you'd hve to use VoIP |
| 01:13.57 | Marajin | it doesn't have the hardware to make voice calls |
| 01:14.37 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | see, I was thinking... I just had a dolphin handheld, which DID make voice calls, but it had to run an emulator of a phone |
| 01:16.31 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | what hardware does it need to make voice calls? more than just a MIC or something, I take it? |
| 01:16.51 | Marajin | yeah it's the chip that does the communication with the carriers |
| 01:17.47 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | so it cant "modulate" voice, or whatever it is that is done with cellular? |
| 01:17.58 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | Or it has a ROM that only allows it data access? |
| 01:18.09 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | or are you talking about the SIM card? |
| 01:18.19 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | forgive me, I'm new to the phone thing... |
| 01:19.31 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | is there anyway to install over the version of WMobile that's on it? Is there any way to install anything besides the windows vista that comes on the other side of it? |
| 01:19.33 | Marajin | the SIM card might well allow voice (many of the data only cards I see work as voice calls) |
| 01:19.46 | Marajin | I don't think the shift is common enough to be properly hacked yet |
| 01:19.58 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | well, that's what I'm trying to do... |
| 01:20.12 | Marajin | as far as I know the whole cellular bit is deal with by the pda/WM side of it |
| 01:20.15 | Marajin | *dealt |
| 01:20.24 | Marajin | and that only allows data |
| 01:21.16 | Marajin | and the PDA side of it isn't really a full version of WM anyway |
| 01:21.20 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | but why does it only allow data? because of what's written on the sim? |
| 01:21.37 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | Right, which is why I'd like to put a full version on it |
| 01:22.28 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | Hell, it won't even let you see that "permanent" folder in explorer |
| 01:22.58 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | but you can sync it to itself, which is kind of crazy |
| 01:23.42 | Marajin | hehe |
| 01:23.42 | Marajin | yeah |
| 01:23.44 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | anyways, isn't there something that I can put on an SD card that will boot and install WM? |
| 01:23.44 | Marajin | it's mad |
| 01:23.54 | Marajin | basically though it's a cut down PDA bolted to a vista UMPC |
| 01:24.02 | Marajin | and we can't flash the PDA ROM yet. |
| 01:24.10 | Marajin | Technically the hardware isn't much different froma HTC Kaiser |
| 01:24.19 | Marajin | but the software running on it won't let you do anything |
| 01:25.05 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | actually, how do you soft/hard boot the pda side? |
| 01:25.12 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | if anyone knows... |
| 01:26.11 | dcordes | shift? |
| 01:26.28 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | yep |
| 01:28.13 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | okay... I just had this dolphin 9500 handheld, and it was a PDA that is used for inventory tracking, etc... updates through the 3G or GSM network data-wise, but it can also be used as a cell phone. |
| 01:28.36 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | BUT, you did that by running an emulator of a phone in WM |
| 01:29.42 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | is there anything like that out there? |
| 01:30.40 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | actually, let me ask- what exactly is required to make voice calls over an already connected data GSM network that the shift lacks or has had "disabled". |
| 01:31.06 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | and why aren't you able to flash the ROM on the shift yet? |
| 01:31.41 | Marajin | because we dunno how to ake working roms for the shift and because what's ON the shift only gives the illussion of windows mobile, it isn't and thus you can't really install programs on it |
| 01:33.16 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | does the pda side of it still work as normal and it's just a hobbled ver of WM? We can install progs on it like a regular WM device by activesyncing to it and running it. |
| 01:34.16 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | and my friend installed internet explorer, and we also installed a WM update from an .exe on the computer syncd |
| 01:35.51 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | so isn't there some way of putting a REAL version of WM on it? or at least installing some things that allow what their version removes? |
| 01:37.52 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | on the dolphin, you could use autostart on the SD card to make it run before what was on the PDA's flash rom (but that was WM2003- I don't even know if WM5 and 6 even work the same... |
| 01:38.12 | dcordes | wooo finally got that order sorted |
| 01:39.00 | Marajin | mib_cvnqi1p8: I guess you can try the xda-developers forums and see if they mention it. Ultimately it'd be hackable but right now we just don'tknow |
| 01:39.18 | Marajin | dcordes: Woo1 |
| 01:39.48 | dcordes | good night |
| 01:41.33 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | i did look through there a bit, but I didn't see anything relating to the shift... does anyone have any links to any technical info about the shift? Like what processors it uses, and whether it uses a seperate one for the pda side, or what? |
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| 01:44.00 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | and if anyone had any links to any technical info about GSM voice/data and how the phone makes the calls, that'd be nice. I used to run a BBS back in the day, so I keep thinking of the cell as just another modem... but they're probably totally different... |
| 01:47.01 | Marajin | heh, they're not that different |
| 01:47.43 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | do they take AT commands? :) |
| 01:49.49 | NAiL | hasn't seen a cell that doesn't |
| 01:50.18 | Marajin | yeah they take AT commands |
| 01:50.32 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | HA! really? I was joking, I didn't think they still worked like that... |
| 01:52.15 | Marajin | heh |
| 01:52.24 | Marajin | funny how underneath everything stuff doesn't really change much |
| 01:53.41 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | What's different? At some point it gets converted to data (bits) instead of being sent as modulated frequencies... oh, so is the reason it can't do voice calls because it doesn't have whatever converts the audio to data? Actually, how is data sent on a cell network? Packets? Cells? |
| 01:54.48 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | I guess I could look that up, huh? |
| 01:56.22 | Marajin | google is your friend really :P |
| 01:56.27 | Marajin | I'm kinda tired to go into the technicals |
| 01:56.30 | Marajin | *too tired |
| 01:58.36 | mib_cvnqi1p8 | thanks for the help, later on- |
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| 02:05.26 | Marajin | sleeeeep time |
| 02:05.31 | Marajin | catcha around NAiL |
| 02:17.30 | NAiL | nite |
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| 06:59.27 | tgreer | morning all |
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| 07:51.23 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 07:51.41 | ginge | morning |
| 07:51.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: morninig |
| 07:52.08 | BabelO_ | morning kiozen |
| 07:52.24 | BabelO_ | kiozen: what are your last change to M ? i see some file on update |
| 07:52.43 | knobo` | Morning |
| 07:52.44 | kiozen | BabelO_: I am improving GPS setup |
| 07:53.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: but not working yet |
| 07:53.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, on small screen, we really need a separate settings, not flying window |
| 07:53.51 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i increase the heigh, but still too small |
| 07:57.32 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes different screen resolution is a real PITA |
| 07:57.53 | kiozen | BabelO_: if I do it right for small screens it looks bad on a big screen |
| 07:58.00 | kiozen | BabelO_: and vice versa |
| 07:59.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: so just need to do all component like visual key class :) |
| 08:00.12 | kiozen | BabelO_: somehow, but that would increase memory usage |
| 08:00.32 | kiozen | BabelO_: inheritance and virtual classes are nice |
| 08:00.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: but not cheap in terms of memeory |
| 08:01.15 | BabelO_ | kiozen: so compilation time ? with CONFIG+=... |
| 08:01.33 | kiozen | BabelO_: hm, that would be the recommended way |
| 08:02.29 | kiozen | BabelO_: but for that we need to restructure the code |
| 08:02.52 | BabelO_ | kiozen: how much size increase with virtual class ? |
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| 08:11.20 | kiozen | BabelO_: I have never measured it, but you need quite some space for the function mapping table |
| 08:11.40 | kiozen | BabelO_: and Qt signal/slot will get more complicated too |
| 08:11.53 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, but i ll like Signal / slot :) |
| 08:12.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: me too, it's a brilliant idea |
| 08:12.14 | BabelO_ | yes |
| 08:12.38 | BabelO_ | ok, coffee time :) |
| 08:12.38 | kiozen | BabelO_: M eats 30MB of mem on my loox in -qws mode |
| 08:12.56 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol you just started |
| 08:12.57 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i ll check on artemis after coffee |
| 08:23.44 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | Creating 200MiB root file takes how many minutes? |
| 08:24.50 | kiozen | Bastiaan_Wakkie: depends on what you do |
| 08:24.52 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | i am already over 5 min |
| 08:25.05 | kiozen | bitbake? |
| 08:25.29 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | started the latest Qtopia-Linux-htcblueangel.exe |
| 08:25.43 | kiozen | ah ok |
| 08:26.51 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | have a 1Gb card splitted in 300/700Mb I dropped all Qtopia stuff in the 300Mb disk and started the file from withing Windows mobile 2003 |
| 08:27.28 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | :%s:ing:in:g |
| 08:28.21 | kiozen | hm, that might take some time, but BabelO_ can tell you more after his coffee :) |
| 08:28.23 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | Probably wait till BabelO comes back from a coffe break ;-)... |
| 08:28.44 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | hehe same thought ;-) |
| 08:29.27 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | htc t3300 is doable too? I saw some lying around here in the office |
| 08:30.16 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | (might as well get some coffee... BIAMO5) |
| 08:38.45 | BabelO_ | hi Bastiaan_Wakkie |
| 08:38.51 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | hi |
| 08:39.05 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | Just rebooting the angel |
| 08:39.13 | BabelO_ | Bastiaan_Wakkie: on my BA it take more than 5min, because of my slow sdcard |
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| 08:57.39 | tgreer | hey all |
| 09:06.54 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | BabelO_ ok and does it also looks like it hangs -> no dot is apearing? |
| 09:07.40 | BabelO_ | Bastiaan_Wakkie: no, it works well even on artemis |
| 09:07.57 | BabelO_ | Bastiaan_Wakkie: you copy both file on root folder of your sdcard ? |
| 09:08.09 | BabelO_ | Bastiaan_Wakkie: and you have 200Mb free |
| 09:08.29 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | 300Mb disk |
| 09:08.58 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | and I took all files from http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcblueangel/Qtopia/ |
| 09:09.18 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | so I only take the exe and the bz2 file? |
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| 09:12.53 | BabelO_ | Bastiaan_Wakkie: .exe and .bz2 on root folder of your sdcard, on the fat partition, and you need 200Mb free on your fat partition, no need of 300Mb part |
| 09:14.23 | tgreer | : |
| 09:14.25 | tgreer | :/ |
| 09:17.01 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | hi tgreer ;-) |
| 09:20.58 | tgreer | Bastiaan_Wakkie, hello |
| 09:26.18 | tgreer | hunts for dcordes |
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| 09:32.56 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | hmm the files on the sdcard are read-only somehow |
| 09:33.05 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | I cant even delete them! |
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| 10:34.45 | tgreer | dcordes, hello |
| 10:35.59 | dcordes | hey there |
| 10:37.14 | tgreer | hows things? |
| 10:38.32 | dcordes | I'm ok, you? |
| 10:38.40 | dcordes | no news about the initrd |
| 10:39.04 | tgreer | :( |
| 10:39.06 | tgreer | rats |
| 10:39.23 | tgreer | the original .bin i had worked excep the ctrl key afaik |
| 10:40.29 | dcordes | I'll look at it |
| 10:42.07 | tgreer | :) awesome trying to show it off to my boss |
| 10:43.56 | dcordes | uhm did you retry yesterday and got the same error? |
| 10:44.46 | dcordes | you could try booting a) with SD card out, b) with init=/sbin/init (mind showing me your default.txt?) |
| 10:47.15 | dcordes | it's very strange you get an error initializing the sd clock, which should not really be affected by changing the initrd |
| 10:47.28 | dcordes | (at least not when booting off initrd) |
| 10:59.03 | dcordes | tgreer: |
| 10:59.23 | tgreer | sorry was 'working' |
| 10:59.24 | tgreer | heh |
| 10:59.32 | tgreer | tried it several times |
| 10:59.50 | dcordes | ok I will try it on my kaiser |
| 11:00.25 | tgreer | thanks |
| 11:00.42 | tgreer | as for trying without sd card, the files are on the SD card |
| 11:00.46 | tgreer | not enough space on my kaiser |
| 11:10.11 | dcordes | tgreer: ok soemthing must be broken in the initrd |
| 11:10.20 | tgreer | :( clk_get_rate 21:1 |
| 11:10.29 | tgreer | in mine or the one one u put up? |
| 11:10.43 | Marajin | 'lo there |
| 11:10.54 | tgreer | Marajin, afternoon |
| 11:11.06 | dcordes | tgreer: aren't those equal? |
| 11:11.14 | dcordes | hi Marajin |
| 11:11.30 | dcordes | tgreer: angstrom-new2.bin |
| 11:11.35 | Marajin | yawns. |
| 11:12.09 | Marajin | crashes with OutOfCaffeine error at address 0xDEFEC8ED |
| 11:12.22 | tgreer | the one i've got unless you've uploaded a new one |
| 11:13.20 | tgreer | Yeh, meant to suggest ... see the folder icon (Fn + Right Arrow) could you bind that to Esc? |
| 11:13.28 | tgreer | :) |
| 11:13.40 | Marajin | you did mention that yesterday tgreer |
| 11:14.34 | tgreer | yes, wasnt sure if it was noticed though :) |
| 11:14.51 | dcordes | for your vi needs? can't you set that with loadkeys? |
| 11:15.00 | Marajin | well I saw it, anybody else it's unknown |
| 11:15.10 | tgreer | I dont know ... not played with it though :( |
| 11:16.58 | tgreer | not going to use vi now I know nano's installed :) |
| 11:20.18 | dcordes | that micro sd reader is great |
| 11:22.19 | tgreer | :( my memory card reader doesnt work :( |
| 11:22.26 | tgreer | need to transfer files via activesync |
| 11:22.45 | tgreer | dcordes, i'm assuming it works fine on your kaiser? |
| 11:24.30 | tgreer | ppp works fine on the original |
| 11:24.39 | tgreer | the one in kaiser-bootkit folder |
| 11:27.29 | dcordes | tgreer: no angstrom-new2.bin gives me the same errors after sd is initialized |
| 11:27.38 | Marajin | let me know if you need me to ratify anything :P |
| 11:29.01 | dcordes | no I already removed it. don't know what went wrong with the build |
| 11:29.21 | dcordes | I'm making an initrd.cpio.gz of my current angstrom ext2 now |
| 11:29.30 | dcordes | tgreer: want any packages in? |
| 11:30.16 | tgreer | *shrugs* phone? :P |
| 11:30.17 | tgreer | sms |
| 11:31.33 | dcordes | if ts would work in Xfbdev, I would have tried openmoko-dialer2 |
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| 11:32.56 | tgreer | and is it likely to work with Xfbdev? :) |
| 11:35.23 | tgreer | I'm guessing: not anytime soon |
| 11:39.39 | dcordes | tgreer: can you make an ext2 partition on your sd? |
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| 11:39.57 | dcordes | so you have a vfat with the kernel and bootloader and the rootfs on ext2? |
| 11:40.40 | tgreer | dcordes, not atm |
| 11:40.49 | tgreer | in work, no card reader |
| 11:40.56 | tgreer | i have acticesync only |
| 11:41.01 | dcordes | ok |
| 11:41.03 | tgreer | *activesync |
| 11:44.15 | tgreer | are you uploading a new .bin? |
| 11:47.29 | cmonex | :) |
| 11:47.29 | cmonex | hi all |
| 11:49.21 | tgreer | hi |
| 11:51.12 | tgreer | dont suppose anyone knows of a windows mobile partition/format tool? |
| 11:51.20 | tgreer | so i can format my memory card :) |
| 11:59.05 | tgreer | Back in 5 |
| 12:07.28 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | BabelO_: You where right... it takes a long time to create the 200 Mb... its done now |
| 12:08.08 | Bastiaan_Wakkie | somehow Qtopia is very dimm I can't hardly ready anything |
| 12:14.19 | ginge | dcordes: ping? |
| 12:14.29 | Marajin | 'lo ginge |
| 12:14.35 | ginge | lo |
| 12:14.38 | ginge | briefly ;) |
| 12:15.12 | ginge | oh well. in a bit |
| 12:15.54 | Marajin | Sneaking some time in while she's not looking? :P |
| 12:15.55 | tgreer | ginge, he was about |
| 12:16.19 | ginge | Marajin: at my old house waiting for virgin to collect the tv box |
| 12:16.21 | tgreer | last i hears he was:I'm making an initrd.cpio.gz of my current angstrom ext2rn now |
| 12:16.37 | Marajin | ginge: YOu could be waitin months for that :P |
| 12:16.41 | ginge | Marajin: seriously |
| 12:16.52 | ginge | Marajin: at least I still have broadband while i;m here :) |
| 12:17.00 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 12:17.09 | ginge | Marajin: the tubes will be getting clogged around mancheste as i drain the whole internet onto my laptop |
| 12:17.17 | tgreer | hehe |
| 12:17.26 | Marajin | too many trucks in the t00bs! |
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| 12:17.47 | tgreer | ginge, Marajin: dont suppose you know of a partitioner for windows mobile |
| 12:17.50 | tgreer | ? |
| 12:17.52 | ginge | going to go and buy a new lightswitch now... B&Q ftw |
| 12:17.58 | ginge | tgreer: no idea :( |
| 12:17.58 | Marajin | can't say I do |
| 12:18.04 | tgreer | damn |
| 12:18.10 | nighthawk08 | got a problem with bitbake while running do_configure in linux-handhelds... uclibc/images/htchimalaya// does not exist, you may need to bitbake it seperatly |
| 12:18.19 | nighthawk08 | how do I bitbake that seperatly? |
| 12:18.37 | tgreer | dcordes wanted me to make a ext2 partition on my memory card, but I'm @ work n no memory card reader |
| 12:20.49 | nighthawk08 | dcordes: can you help with the ts and screen driver? |
| 12:25.10 | knobo` | I just talked with the guy who had the HTC phones for me. And the other phone with keyboard that I was talking about was a hermes |
| 12:25.32 | knobo` | So, as I understood. It woas no point of making a demo with that one. |
| 12:26.27 | knobo` | Is threre any HTC phone that I could get up and running with qtopia? I'll go and buy one. |
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| 12:28.36 | knobo` | Maybe the himalaya |
| 12:29.45 | nighthawk08 | I'm using the hima,. |
| 12:30.01 | knobo` | nighthawk08: but not with linux? |
| 12:30.28 | nighthawk08 | I am trying to compile the gpe-image right now,. having some problems with it |
| 12:31.04 | knobo` | nighthawk08: so, what you are saying is that it should be possible? |
| 12:31.25 | nighthawk08 | due to the fact that I am a total newbie, I do not know... |
| 12:31.54 | nighthawk08 | I got help from dcordes, installing the linux with angstrom linux,. but the ts and screen driver are faulty there... |
| 12:51.42 | Marajin | heh |
| 12:51.46 | Marajin | 'lo knobo` |
| 12:51.57 | Marajin | and yeah the hermes isn't going to be much of a demo |
| 12:53.53 | tgreer | :( @@ broken linux on my kaiser |
| 12:54.06 | Marajin | tgreer: Patience, we'll get there! |
| 12:55.15 | nighthawk08 | bitbake log sais: | /home/nighthawk/Desktop/Draft/sources/tmp/tmp/deploy/uclibc/images/htchimalaya// does not exist, you may need to bitbake it separately --- why doesn't it succeed creating the directory,. or finding it... |
| 12:55.46 | Marex | ~seen pH5 |
| 12:55.47 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@e178213132.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 20h 55m 56s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 12:55.56 | BabelO_ | Marex: poor :( |
| 12:56.04 | BabelO_ | Marex: how are you ? |
| 12:56.14 | Marex | BabelO_: hi, quite fine, thanks |
| 12:56.38 | tgreer | Marajin, okok :P |
| 12:57.14 | tgreer | brb |
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| 12:57.24 | BabelO_ | Marex: any clue how to pilot the suspend device order in kernel ? |
| 12:58.01 | BabelO_ | Marex: it seem that on omap sd driver goes to suspend before all others... :( |
| 13:02.20 | Marajin | nighthawk08: heh, no idea but I can try building a himalaya image on perses |
| 13:03.07 | nighthawk08 | whats "perses"? |
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| 13:04.46 | Marajin | nighthawk08: My server |
| 13:05.35 | nighthawk08 | I'd apprechiate it very much if you build it... |
| 13:05.50 | nighthawk08 | cause I am having hardtime solving the probs I get from it |
| 13:07.54 | Marajin | I'll give it a try |
| 13:07.58 | Marajin | task 200 of 4600 :P |
| 13:08.34 | Marex | BabelO_: ewww ... no, no idea |
| 13:08.41 | Marex | but it shouldnt matter |
| 13:09.49 | BabelO_ | Marex: my main problem is that when device going to suspend, i see on screen message that a process try to write to SD card, but sd driver says that write is out of sdcard |
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| 13:13.19 | Marajin | nighthawk08: 600/4600... hope you'renot in a rush :p |
| 13:17.13 | nighthawk08 | that is probably would be faster than what I compiled.. |
| 13:17.22 | Marajin | heh |
| 13:17.31 | Marajin | 850 now |
| 13:24.35 | BabelO_ | kiozen ? |
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| 13:29.12 | tgreer | has returned |
| 13:30.02 | tgreer | :) |
| 13:33.08 | nighthawk08 | Marajin,. whats the status? |
| 13:35.53 | Marajin | nighthawk08: 1800ish |
| 13:38.39 | Marajin | qemu is taking ages tho |
| 13:40.45 | ginge | build_kernel;push_kernel;attach_debugger;execute_kernel;parse_to_useful_output |
| 13:40.51 | ginge | oops |
| 13:41.00 | Marajin | ginge: Still waiting eh? |
| 13:41.06 | ginge | grumbles |
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| 13:50.47 | tgreer | Marajin-phone, ello |
| 13:50.52 | tgreer | linux client? ie irssi? |
| 13:50.54 | Marajin-phone | 'lo |
| 13:50.56 | Marajin-phone | nah |
| 13:50.59 | tgreer | :( |
| 13:51.01 | tgreer | WM? |
| 13:51.05 | Marajin-phone | not at the moment |
| 13:51.09 | tgreer | zsirc? |
| 13:51.15 | Marajin-phone | yeah this is WM |
| 13:51.18 | tgreer | klkl |
| 13:51.24 | Marajin-phone | but I can use irssi |
| 13:51.33 | tgreer | :( |
| 13:51.34 | tgreer | i cant |
| 13:51.41 | Marajin-phone | just didn't bother booting linux for it yet |
| 13:51.49 | tgreer | mine wont boot the new image i was supplied with last night |
| 13:51.54 | Marajin-phone | hmm |
| 13:52.01 | tgreer | same error as last night |
| 13:52.08 | Marajin-phone | I'll check stuff with dcordes when he gets back |
| 13:52.58 | tgreer | stupid questions but is wifi working? (I missed this part of the convo last night) |
| 13:53.31 | Marajin-phone | under linux? nope |
| 13:53.34 | tgreer | damn |
| 13:53.39 | tgreer | was worth a try :P |
| 13:54.01 | tgreer | ok next question .. increase the font size, possible? |
| 13:58.50 | ginge | tgreer: yes |
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| 14:05.20 | Marajin | nighthawk07: counting backwards? |
| 14:05.53 | nighthawk07 | ? |
| 14:06.08 | Marajin | nighthawk08 -> nighthawk07 |
| 14:06.21 | nighthawk07 | oh :) |
| 14:06.32 | nighthawk07 | th machine halted on nighthawk08 |
| 14:06.43 | nighthawk07 | had to boot, using MS,. what can you expect... |
| 14:06.59 | tgreer | ginge, fancy explaining how? |
| 14:07.00 | tgreer | .away |
| 14:17.51 | Marajin | nighthawk07: Looks like the bitbake hit a slow bit in the 1800s |
| 14:18.00 | nighthawk07 | still there? |
| 14:18.03 | Marajin | yeah |
| 14:18.08 | nighthawk07 | in 1800s? |
| 14:18.10 | Marajin | 1862 |
| 14:18.39 | nighthawk07 | again, still it is much much faster than my compilation... |
| 14:22.46 | Marajin | heh |
| 14:34.23 | knobo` | who has been asking HTC for the HW spec? |
| 14:34.48 | knobo` | And did he/she get any answer at all? |
| 14:35.36 | knobo` | Do we know that asking for the spec has been thoroughly done? |
| 14:47.22 | tgreer | no-one knows... |
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| 15:19.08 | nighthawk07 | Marajin: whats the status? |
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| 15:40.52 | tgreer | dcordes, any luck? |
| 15:47.45 | Marajin | nighthawk08|away: Ithink bitbake crashed sorry |
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| 16:04.34 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@e178213132.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 4m 43s ago, saying: 'hi'. |
| 16:07.03 | tgreer | Marajin, do u have a working .bin i can use? |
| 16:07.08 | tgreer | for the kaiser |
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| 16:20.40 | tgreer | ~seen dcordes |
| 16:20.42 | apt | dcordes is currently on #htc-linux (5h 56m 51s) #oe (5h 56m 51s) #openmoko (5h 56m 51s). Has said a total of 24 messages. Is idling for 4h 39m 41s, last said: 'ok'. |
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| 16:33.07 | chab7 | hi |
| 16:48.14 | Marajin | 'lo |
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| 16:53.20 | dcordes | tmzt_mp900c: hi there. I managed to build the debug tslib.o |
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| 17:06.49 | tmzt_mp900c | hey, been locked out by adsl and router issues |
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| 17:07.32 | tmzt_mp900c | for Xfbdev, (and, if you have a working eabi Xfbdev can you send me the ipk?) |
| 17:15.21 | tmzt_mp900c | dcordes: for Xfbdev? (and, if you have a working eabi Xfbdev can you send me the ipk?) |
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| 17:27.24 | dcordes | tmzt_mp900c: need to rebuild one minute |
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| 17:35.40 | dcordes | tmzt: sent. |
| 17:35.43 | dcordes | g2g bye |
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| 17:40.40 | tgreer | evening all |
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| 18:11.02 | BabelO | hello tgreer |
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| 20:22.00 | Marex | ~seen spyro |
| 20:22.01 | apt | spyro <n=ian@i-195-137-94-162.freedom2surf.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 10d 2h 8m 58s ago, saying: 'piroko: its FAIL not fail :-)'. |
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| 20:46.14 | dwaradzyn | what is the cheat code to delay mounting rootfs ? |
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| 20:47.40 | tmzt_mp900c | rootdelay= |
| 20:48.00 | dwaradzyn | thanks |
| 20:48.34 | tmzt_mp900c | did that work? |
| 20:48.53 | tmzt_mp900c | dcordes: ping? |
| 20:49.16 | dwaradzyn | tmzt_mp900c: i will know within minutes |
| 20:49.22 | tgreer | dcores, prods |
| 20:49.26 | tgreer | *dcordes |
| 21:02.52 | dwaradzyn | tmzt_mp900c: i used "delay=15 rootdelay=15" and it worked (after about 10 reboots, damn haret hangup thing...) |
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| 21:08.47 | tmzt_mp900c | what device and what ce rom? |
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| 21:09.43 | bertramt | Is there any way to get the hardware keyboard working on the mogul/titan? or anything that can be done to help get it working? |
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| 21:12.49 | dwaradzyn | tmzt_mp900c: polaris, swtos WM6.1 WWE OS 5.2.20270 ( Build 20270 1.3.1 ) V0.8 eXtreme |
| 21:17.12 | tmzt_mp900c | polaris is kaiser without keyboard, right? |
| 21:17.20 | dwaradzyn | yes |
| 21:17.36 | tmzt_mp900c | but haret only works some of the time to boot? |
| 21:17.54 | tmzt_mp900c | have you asked in the xda thread (or whatever) for that rom? |
| 21:18.03 | dwaradzyn | yes, it mostly depends on used roms |
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| 21:41.04 | infernix | anyone know if the kaisers sd driver is working yet? |
| 21:41.44 | dwaradzyn | infernix: it does work, there are some problems, but it is possible to mount sdcard and even have rootfs on sd |
| 21:41.59 | infernix | what are the problems? |
| 21:42.01 | infernix | data corruption? |
| 21:42.40 | dwaradzyn | infernix: do not know the details, i know only it is irq/time related |
| 21:42.47 | infernix | ah, interrupt loss |
| 21:43.23 | infernix | what about calling in gsm mode? I read that it only worked in 3G |
| 21:44.24 | dwaradzyn | infernix: the only symptoms for sd problems i've encountered are some timeout messages in /var/log/messages |
| 21:45.19 | infernix | nice |
| 21:45.47 | infernix | did you partition your sd card so that the second partition is the linux root fs? |
| 21:46.03 | infernix | im wondering if I can keep a part for wm6 as well as a part for linux |
| 21:46.06 | dwaradzyn | infernix: not sure about kaiser and 3g, but polaris can make and receive call and sms and gprs works for data (tested under android) |
| 21:46.51 | dwaradzyn | infernix: yes, i have 3 partitions: fat (>7.5gb) , ext2(128mb), ext2(128mb) |
| 21:47.08 | dwaradzyn | and it works just fine: wm6 does not complain |
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| 21:49.26 | dwaradzyn | i just tried on polaris http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/images/Angstrom-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-2008.1-test-20080718-htckaiser.rootfs.tar.gz and it does boot, gets all the way into x windows, and then wants to calibrate the screen |
| 21:50.16 | dwaradzyn | touchscreen does not work under x windows, so i coulnd get further |
| 21:52.03 | dwaradzyn | i am about to try to boot angstrom-opie |
| 21:52.25 | infernix | yeah i have all the build tools right here |
| 21:52.30 | infernix | just have to remember the commands |
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| 21:59.30 | Zoolooc | hi there |
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| 22:50.52 | Marajin | infernix: Still there? |
| 22:51.00 | infernix | hi |
| 22:51.13 | Marajin | infernix: Kaiser SD problem = DMA error/timeout on large amounts of disk access. |
| 22:51.20 | infernix | i read |
| 22:52.28 | Marajin | infernix: And as dwaradzyn says, TS isn't actually registering in X which we don't understand as tslib apps see it and it works in android |
| 22:52.41 | Marajin | and you can cat the device node and get the info, etc. |
| 22:53.10 | infernix | well i also read that gsm calls arent working yet |
| 22:53.20 | infernix | but sd card access is a good step forward |
| 22:53.47 | Marajin | Calls work under android. |
| 22:53.50 | infernix | i ran framebuffer on angstrom a while ago |
| 22:53.56 | infernix | yeah, only on 3G, not GSM |
| 22:54.03 | Marajin | I suspect they may depend on the network access yeah |
| 22:54.14 | Marajin | I could never get them to work properly except a single time |
| 22:54.33 | Marajin | frankly I don't think anyone cares till we get X to behave with the TS |
| 22:54.52 | Marajin | No X/TS, no dialer, call functionality = borderline pointless |
| 22:55.07 | Marajin | android's so unstable it would never be practical at the moment |
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| 22:56.34 | infernix | so what about limo |
| 22:56.54 | Marajin-phone | what's limo? |
| 22:57.03 | infernix | http://www.limofoundation.org/ |
| 22:57.14 | infernix | do they have any code repos at all? |
| 22:57.20 | Marajin-phone | can't really view URLs right now |
| 22:58.11 | Marajin-phone | do who? Limo? never heard of them so I dunno |
| 22:58.32 | infernix | The mission of the LiMo Foundation is to create an open, Linux-based software platform for use by the whole global industry to produce mobile devices through a balanced and transparent contribution process enabling a rich ecosystem of differentiated products, applications, and services from device manufacturers, operators, ISVs and integrators. |
| 22:58.52 | infernix | Founder Members of the LiMo Foundation are Motorola, NEC, NTT DOCOMO, Orange, Panasonic, Samsung and Vodafone. |
| 22:58.53 | Marajin-phone | So it's openmoko all over again? |
| 22:59.02 | infernix | Core Members |
| 22:59.02 | infernix | Access, Aplix, Azingo, LG Electronics, McAfee, Purple Labs, SK Telecom, Texas Instruments, Verizon and Wind River have joined as Core Members of LiMo Foundation. |
| 22:59.09 | infernix | Associate Members |
| 22:59.09 | infernix | Acrodea, AMD, ARM, Broadcom, Ericsson, ETRI, FueTrek, Huawei, Infineon, Innopath, KTF, Kvaleberg AS, MontaVista Software, Mozilla Corporation, NXP B.V., Open Plug, Red Bend Software, Renesas, Sagem Mobiles, Samsung SDS, SFR, SoftBank, STMicroelectronics and Trolltech are Associate Members. |
| 22:59.17 | Marajin-phone | hah |
| 22:59.24 | infernix | not quite, openmoko wasn't backed like limo is |
| 22:59.32 | Marajin-phone | well mate sounds like they won't care about us |
| 23:00.01 | Marajin-phone | they'll be aiming at production models shipping already on a linux base |
| 23:00.02 | infernix | if its open source they are required by license to open the stack |
| 23:00.15 | infernix | thus provide source |
| 23:00.25 | infernix | i guess they're not that far yet though |
| 23:00.29 | Marajin-phone | yeah but our only problem is driver support in the kernel |
| 23:00.55 | infernix | obviously |
| 23:01.47 | Marajin-phone | And there isn't much more than bit work and debugging for half of that since google are developing for MSM devices |
| 23:03.51 | Marajin-phone | We have FB, TS, GPRS, SD/SDHC... audio is half done, BT is in the pipeline... It's not too bad an amount of progress ya know? |
| 23:04.02 | Marajin-phone | oh we have GPS too |
| 23:05.15 | infernix | last time i tested we only had framebuffer and keyboard :) |
| 23:05.22 | infernix | so yes, good progress |
| 23:05.50 | Marajin-phone | Yup |
| 23:06.35 | Marajin-phone | Really if a few bugs were fixed and PM/Audio get done... working phone the kaiser/polaris/vogue become |
| 23:06.50 | Marajin-phone | goes Yoda-stylee there.. |
| 23:07.47 | Marajin-phone | Pretty bright future I'd say. |
| 23:08.36 | punkbuster | I'm trying to get an application installed on the kaiser w/ android, what needs to be done kernel-wise before that is possible? |
| 23:08.48 | Marajin-phone | Um? |
| 23:08.52 | Marajin-phone | Nothing? |
| 23:08.57 | Marajin-phone | technically |
| 23:09.26 | punkbuster | is there USB support yet? |
| 23:09.34 | Marajin-phone | dzo has already included apps into his android images before |
| 23:09.37 | punkbuster | I'm curious as to how we transfer the files |
| 23:09.39 | Marajin-phone | nope |
| 23:09.54 | punkbuster | I'm assuming it's the android-data.bin file I need to update |
| 23:09.59 | Marajin-phone | erm we put them on sd or roll them into the image files |
| 23:10.12 | punkbuster | I read sd didn't work yet, but I guess I read wrong :) |
| 23:10.22 | infernix | oh man i love Zero Punctuation |
| 23:10.33 | Marajin-phone | unfortunately the dma bug stops us booting android from SD... |
| 23:10.43 | Marajin-phone | angstrom'll boot from sd |
| 23:10.53 | punkbuster | I had android booting off of an SD card with the Nokia N810 |
| 23:11.14 | Marajin-phone | infernix: Which review? =) |
| 23:11.15 | punkbuster | it's a tablet pc, I'm curious as to what is different about the kaiser |
| 23:11.27 | infernix | Marajin-phone: any, but the recent E3 is good :) |
| 23:11.28 | punkbuster | that doesn't allow booting from the sd card |
| 23:12.04 | punkbuster | what format do you guys store the android-data.bin files in? Or rather, how do you roll them? |
| 23:12.05 | Marajin-phone | There's a bug in the sd driver means that the reading will break when there's lots of activity |
| 23:12.17 | Marajin-phone | cpio and gzip |
| 23:12.30 | punkbuster | ok, I can look into that |
| 23:12.42 | Marajin-phone | google for extracting and creating initrd files |
| 23:13.57 | Marajin-phone | It's pretty easy to do on a linux host |
| 23:14.04 | punkbuster | ah, ok, you guys just named them differently :) |
| 23:14.12 | Marajin-phone | yeah |
| 23:14.28 | punkbuster | no, I was used to unpacking those from android when installing on the N810 |
| 23:14.34 | punkbuster | thanks |
| 23:14.40 | Marajin-phone | heh |
| 23:14.46 | Marajin-phone | enjoy then |
| 23:16.05 | punkbuster | is someone already looking into the sd issue, or can I take a hack at it? |
| 23:16.41 | Marajin-phone | Ginge is working on it but is moving house right now so he only has minimal hack time |
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| 23:20.43 | Marajin | infernix: Oh btw, we can technically send SMS too I forgot to say |
| 23:21.16 | infernix | i'll have a look soonish, will have to bug dcordes for build scripts |
| 23:21.46 | Marajin | infernix: Build scripts for what? |
| 23:23.02 | infernix | shit what's the name of that toolkit again |
| 23:23.12 | Marajin | openembedded? we're just included in it |
| 23:23.22 | infernix | ive slept only 4 hours, my mind is failing |
| 23:23.23 | infernix | yeah |
| 23:23.25 | Marajin | use perses if you want we have an account there with OE set up to build for the kaiser |
| 23:24.00 | infernix | perses? |
| 23:24.09 | Marajin | perses = my server |
| 23:26.58 | infernix | ok now i've lost you |
| 23:27.10 | infernix | you host the OE code repos? |
| 23:27.37 | Marajin | infernix: See PMs? |
| 23:28.36 | Marex | infernix: 4 hours is way too much sleep |
| 23:28.53 | infernix | not for me |
| 23:29.27 | infernix | spent all night preparing a drupal multisite for a client review |
| 23:30.24 | Marajin | joy :P |
| 23:31.24 | Marex | website ... ewwww |
| 23:31.39 | Marex | I dont want to recall writing html ... |
| 23:31.47 | Marajin | Marex: HTML wuvs yoooo |
| 23:32.02 | infernix | i don't do the theming |
| 23:32.03 | Marex | Marajin: hah ? |
| 23:32.07 | infernix | just building content with drupal |
| 23:32.29 | infernix | i think i'll spend about 60-80 hours total for 9k euros |
| 23:32.34 | infernix | which is ok really |
| 23:33.15 | infernix | its really not hard, i hadn't touched a CMS in years but drupal is well built |
| 23:33.24 | Marex | hehe :) anyway, my body is failing so Im off ... gnight |
| 23:33.31 | infernix | n8 |
| 23:34.01 | Marajin | see ya Marex |
| 23:34.33 | Marajin | infernix: 9k euros? buying us all a raphael for er.. an early christmas present then? :) |
| 23:34.44 | Marajin | My birthday is this month ya know... :P |
| 23:34.46 | infernix | did you miss the part where i spend time doing it? :) |
| 23:35.08 | infernix | half of what i earn goes to taxes and company costs anyway |
| 23:35.11 | Marajin | I found it convienient to ignore that bit :P |
| 23:35.21 | infernix | plus it has to make good for the months where work isn't abundant |
| 23:35.24 | Marajin | 4.5k euros in 80 hours = cha-ching regardless :P |
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| 23:35.42 | Marajin | well you can just buy er... ginge, dcordes and me one? :P |
| 23:35.53 | Marajin | screw it, ginge can afford one, dcordes and me? :P |
| 23:35.59 | infernix | yeah i'm not complaining but if it has to cover for 3 months worth of salary, its different |
| 23:36.21 | Marajin | yeah, I'm joking, I know how THAT game goes |
| 23:36.44 | infernix | its a nice side project though. im mostly into system architecture |
| 23:37.29 | Marajin | keeps ya quiet then :P |
| 23:37.42 | infernix | i actually have considered buying some people a kaiser |
| 23:38.07 | Marex | Marajin: screw you, Im not yet totally asleep ;) |
| 23:38.14 | Marex | Marajin: you forgot about me ;) |
| 23:38.18 | infernix | but last i checked cr2 wasnt interested and im not sure if there's any other guys good at reverse engineering |
| 23:39.05 | Marex | infernix: reversing kaiser ? |
| 23:39.06 | Marajin | Marex: Dude, you're a palmite still aren't you? ;) |
| 23:39.17 | Marex | Marajin: yea, any problem with that ? |
| 23:39.26 | infernix | Marex: yeah. i have no coding skills so i cant do it :) |
| 23:39.28 | Marajin | infernix: CR2 has been vaguely helping but he's more interested in the hermes and all |
| 23:39.28 | Marex | well I have 2 wince devices by now anyway ... |
| 23:39.42 | Marajin | Marex: Why do you want a raphael then? |
| 23:39.58 | Marajin | infernix: Do you know what the raphael is? Man that thing is sexy. |
| 23:40.20 | infernix | nope. i like the looks of the diamond pro |
| 23:40.27 | Marex | Marajin: it looks horribly, but the hardware is interesting |
| 23:40.44 | infernix | but i am not buying a new phone that doesnt have good linux drivers |
| 23:40.45 | Marajin | infernix: That IS the raphael :P |
| 23:41.03 | Marajin | infernix: Well it's a 7201A, it may mesh better with googles code than the kaiser does |
| 23:41.03 | infernix | Marajin: htc and their naming scheme >.< |
| 23:41.10 | infernix | keyword: *may* |
| 23:41.13 | infernix | :) |
| 23:41.14 | Marajin | true |
| 23:41.30 | Marajin | but the MSM devices are all quite similar in general so we're doing ok |
| 23:41.48 | Marajin | I mean this isn't so much the kaiser as the kaiser/vogue/polaris/(titan)/etc. port now |
| 23:42.06 | infernix | which is a good thing :) |
| 23:42.09 | Marajin | very good |
| 23:42.42 | Marajin | Lotsa lotsa overlap means any breakthrough by one dev on any of the devices quickly moves to others generally |
| 23:43.08 | Marajin | infernix: Ya know the dream is due soon I think... |
| 23:44.26 | Marajin | infernix: First android device to market |
| 23:44.46 | infernix | i don't like how google handles SDK access though |
| 23:45.08 | Marajin | infernix: Doesn't matter does it? we'd have a linux kernel with full driver support on a nice HTC device |
| 23:45.23 | Marajin | infernix: We'd be able to gut it and put openmoko or something on it extremely quickly |
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| 23:46.19 | cmonex | mhm |
| 23:46.19 | infernix | thats true |
| 23:46.24 | cmonex | how does google handle sdk access? |
| 23:46.46 | herriojr | who did you say had installed applications through the images again? |
| 23:47.00 | Marajin | herriojr: dzo had |
| 23:47.14 | Marajin | herriojr: I think ginge has modified the images for his ownstuff before too |
| 23:47.20 | infernix | cmonex: restricting access to the latest sdk |
| 23:47.33 | cmonex | duh, why? |
| 23:47.38 | cmonex | worse than apple! |
| 23:47.39 | Marajin | infernix: It is a alpha/beta product |
| 23:47.53 | infernix | if its an open source project, don't go around denying source access |
| 23:48.24 | infernix | how many open source projects have closed dev cycles like that? none that I am aware of |
| 23:48.32 | Marajin | true |
| 23:48.37 | herriojr | hmm, I can't seem to get it to show on the menu...I unpacked the adroid-data.bin, inserted my program, then packaged it back up |
| 23:48.39 | Marajin | but we'll see what happens after release |
| 23:48.44 | Marajin | and there's git repos for some stuff |
| 23:48.56 | infernix | this is not in line with the philosophy and thats what open source is (should be) about |
| 23:49.09 | ali1234 | infernix: sveasoft, and everyone hates them for it |
| 23:49.43 | Marajin | herriojr: I don't understand android well enough to help sorry, I know it's possible but I'm ignoring android till it's more stable/full featured. |
| 23:49.53 | herriojr | ok, np |
| 23:51.43 | Marajin | infernix: Anyway... let's just judge them on their actions when android goes into production models and whatnot |
| 23:52.02 | cmonex | will it ever? |
| 23:53.21 | Marajin | cmonex: planned for release on a production phone this year |
| 23:53.37 | cmonex | planned.. heh |
| 23:53.42 | Marajin | Well appreciated |
| 23:53.49 | Marajin | but HTC don't tend to be toooo bad with their release dates |
| 23:56.18 | cmonex | HTC has a planned release date? |
| 23:56.21 | Marajin | yeah |
| 23:56.25 | cmonex | oh? more details? |
| 23:56.31 | cmonex | htc dream or what? when? |
| 23:57.12 | Marajin | HTC Dream, Fall 2008 they say |
| 23:57.20 | Marajin | hmm |
| 23:57.30 | cmonex | ohh.. |
| 23:58.46 | Marajin | we know OEMs have android kits and are working on android ready devices.. It kinda makes sense |