| 00:05.44 | dcordes | nighthawk08: ok checking out |
| 00:07.03 | nighthawk08 | ok |
| 00:07.37 | dcordes | nighthawk08: you got any other htcs? |
| 00:07.51 | dcordes | or similar mobile devices |
| 00:07.52 | nighthawk08 | no |
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| 00:18.31 | NAiL | Someone has gotten linux on the Artemis? Wicked cool :D |
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| 00:22.51 | dcordes | NAiL: it works quite well |
| 00:23.38 | dcordes | nighthawk08: I have a bit of a problem checking out the hh.org branch on linuxtogo kernel.git |
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| 00:24.01 | nighthawk08 | why is that? |
| 00:25.23 | dcordes | it claims I'm on hh.org branch, but I cannot find the hima defconfig |
| 00:25.59 | nighthawk08 | oh |
| 00:27.31 | dcordes | any git pros around? |
| 00:32.51 | dcordes | nighthawk08: man I have no clue why this doesn't work. hope pH5 or some other git gurus will be around tomorrow |
| 00:33.18 | nighthawk08 | then we wait until tomorrow? |
| 00:34.23 | dcordes | hm yea. also tomorrow we can bug the guys who developed the himalaya kernel |
| 00:34.36 | dcordes | and ask why you have the white bar and ts is not working |
| 00:34.41 | jnl | *** jnl has been idle 43504 minutes |
| 00:34.44 | jnl | whoops |
| 00:34.46 | dcordes | it's always best in .eu daytime |
| 00:35.02 | nighthawk08 | ok,. then tomorrow then... |
| 00:35.12 | dcordes | alright |
| 00:35.17 | nighthawk08 | later |
| 00:35.47 | dcordes | jnl: 30,21111 days? |
| 00:35.58 | jnl | yeah until I hit that right mouse button just now |
| 00:36.02 | jnl | crap |
| 00:36.07 | jnl | coulda gone for 60 |
| 00:37.23 | marajin | Well, I think I'm gonna hit the sack |
| 00:37.35 | marajin | waves |
| 00:38.39 | NAiL | dcordes: I've tested it. "Works" is a bit of an overstatement, isn't it? No sound/gsm ;) |
| 00:38.48 | NAiL | Or have I missed a never version? |
| 00:38.56 | NAiL | It *looks* positively awesome. |
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| 01:04.15 | pigeon | how up-to-date is the kernel tree on linuxtogo git repo? |
| 01:08.52 | pigeon | or i should ask, how often is it kept up-to-date |
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| 01:55.45 | dcordes | pigeon: which one? there are several branches |
| 01:56.15 | pigeon | just in general, or i suppose hh.org? |
| 01:56.48 | dcordes | just look at the gitweb |
| 01:57.14 | dcordes | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=summary |
| 01:57.24 | dcordes | select a branch at the bottom |
| 01:57.26 | pigeon | or perhaps my real question is, is that automatically updated? or someone has to do it? |
| 01:57.36 | dcordes | someone has to do it |
| 01:57.42 | pigeon | ok. |
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| 03:00.43 | nighthawk08 | dcordes: are you there? |
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| 04:02.25 | UberFly | wow |
| 04:02.37 | UberFly | Guess I'm not the only TyTN II user who's fed up with WM6.1 |
| 04:09.26 | miknix | UberFly, I would say WM* instead |
| 04:09.46 | UberFly | Miknix: You just went up a notch in my book :# |
| 04:09.48 | UberFly | :3 * |
| 04:11.09 | miknix | UberFly, new opera mobile has awesome usability, did you try it? |
| 04:11.25 | UberFly | No, not yet |
| 04:11.33 | UberFly | I'm yet to put andriod on my TyTN II |
| 04:11.52 | UberFly | I'm not liking the lack of bluetooth / vibration |
| 04:11.55 | UberFly | and power management |
| 04:12.10 | UberFly | I just wish I knew more about how to program for these things |
| 04:12.18 | UberFly | I'm a 4th year software engineer at RMIT university |
| 04:12.27 | UberFly | and I'd be more than happy to learn if someone were willing to teach |
| 04:13.54 | miknix | UberFly, cloning the git repo and get yourself familiar with the kernel tree and machine board files is a good start |
| 04:14.20 | UberFly | Hmm |
| 04:15.23 | UberFly | I'm currently running (and I know I will loose geek influence for stating it) windows Vista (mainly due to power issues, I've got a Toshiba pheonix bios that Linux can't communicate with) - For this sort of stuff, I'd have to be running a *nix distro, right? |
| 04:15.45 | UberFly | I have a copy of Fedora Core 8 installed on an 8gb usb drive if it's recommended for this type of development. |
| 04:17.50 | miknix | Vista? there is no way you can do kernel hacking on such crap. Unless you get a remote terminal to some unix box somewhere else |
| 04:19.09 | miknix | s/kernel/linux/ |
| 04:26.52 | dcordes | UberFly: I agree. you need not much space for the local git tree so your fedora usb drive will probably do |
| 04:27.25 | UberFly | Cool, thanks guys |
| 04:27.51 | UberFly | I'll try to catch up on it over the next week, I'll contribute anything I can |
| 04:28.49 | dcordes | UberFly: do you know xda-developers.com? |
| 04:29.05 | UberFly | Yeah |
| 04:29.11 | UberFly | I've been there many a time before. |
| 04:29.29 | UberFly | currently on it now to install HardSPL on my Kaiser |
| 04:29.36 | dcordes | there is a thread for android on kaiser. look at the first site, it has an isntruction on how to build the kernel. |
| 04:29.56 | UberFly | Oh? I must have missed that -_- |
| 04:30.04 | UberFly | Thanks dcordes! |
| 04:30.16 | dcordes | it _was_ sticky in the rom development kaiser forum |
| 04:37.02 | UberFly | I have no idea how I missed that. |
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| 05:23.17 | UberFly | Miknix: Which opera version were you talking about? |
| 05:23.34 | miknix | UberFly, dont know.. I just downloaded it today |
| 05:23.40 | UberFly | Ah |
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| 07:31.00 | chab7 | bye |
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| 08:08.55 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 08:09.05 | kiozen | ola |
| 08:09.11 | amd64lover | hi BabelO |
| 08:10.45 | miknix | BabelO, latest typhoonnbfdecode.pl worked |
| 08:13.50 | BabelO_ | miknix: good, so you are able to boot from sd now :) |
| 08:13.56 | miknix | yeah |
| 08:17.24 | miknix | I'm not sure what to look next. are you using the typhoon GSM driver? |
| 08:21.58 | BabelO_ | miknix: i ve tried it, but not working for me, i have to check the whole driver with asm |
| 08:22.39 | miknix | BabelO, is it also builtin in the windows mobile kernel or is it a separate module? |
| 08:24.11 | BabelO_ | miknix: builtin for me i can see the gsm part and audio routing |
| 08:24.25 | miknix | ok.. I'm also going to take a look |
| 08:25.24 | miknix | audio routing is important for me.. I have to properly set it up for having audio output |
| 08:25.54 | BabelO_ | miknix: do you know someone working on audio ? |
| 08:26.45 | miknix | no |
| 08:28.06 | miknix | BabelO, can you tell the offset where you traced the audio routing code? |
| 08:29.25 | BabelO_ | miknix: i did not trace it, i just see it in the asm |
| 08:29.49 | BabelO_ | miknix: routing is just a part, but produce sound is better |
| 08:32.35 | miknix | BabelO, can you give me some register being accessed in that piece of code? |
| 08:32.52 | miknix | I would like to have a look at it here |
| 08:38.23 | BabelO_ | miknix: just look at EAC driver at typhhon git |
| 08:39.15 | BabelO_ | miknix: but i m not really sure that artemis and wizard use EAC, i think they use an external chipset, but can't check, i did not have picture of the board |
| 08:40.10 | miknix | hum.. |
| 08:40.34 | miknix | we don't need it for making/receiving calls anyway |
| 08:40.50 | kiozen | BabelO_: can you try to svn up M, I am not sure if sf.net is down or my firewall jumps at me |
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| 09:00.45 | BabelO_ | kiozen: down :) |
| 09:01.12 | kiozen | BabelO_: thanks, do we have alternatives to sf.net? |
| 09:01.51 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you mean mirror |
| 09:02.26 | kiozen | nope, alternative service, quality of sf.net sucks from year to year more |
| 09:02.36 | BabelO_ | miknix: but if you don't have driver, then you need tricks at boot time, and you lost power |
| 09:04.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: even the svn web interface is down :) |
| 09:04.33 | kiozen | BabelO_: there was an outage schedules for yesterday |
| 09:05.00 | BabelO_ | kiozen: do you see SAGA GIS software ? |
| 09:05.12 | kiozen | no |
| 09:06.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: looks pretty scientific, I am more on the consumer side :) |
| 09:07.35 | BabelO_ | kiozen: maybe for cr2 then :) |
| 09:08.06 | kiozen | :)))))))) |
| 09:10.12 | BabelO_ | kiozen: consumer side -> http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 09:32.54 | ptl | how good is roadnav compared to TomTom or iGO ? |
| 09:35.17 | BabelO_ | ptl: too young i think, and just using openstreetmap ... coverage is not so big |
| 09:52.33 | ptl | BabelO_: ok... |
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| 11:26.29 | tymchn | morning all :) |
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| 11:26.40 | tymchn | anyone familiar with android on the kaiser? |
| 11:38.28 | marajin | tymchn: sure, what's up? |
| 11:38.51 | tymchn | I keep getting a kernel panic on boot, trying to kill init :( |
| 11:39.17 | tymchn | I am just using the prezipped package from http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 11:39.19 | NAiL | BabelO_: You're behind linux on the artemis? |
| 11:40.03 | marajin | tymchn: They don'twrk on the kaiser. There's a bug in the SD code. |
| 11:40.37 | tymchn | oh bum, do I have to run from memory then or is there a kaiser build? |
| 11:40.54 | marajin | tymchn: Unfortunately you have to run entirely from an initrd yeah. |
| 11:41.14 | marajin | tymchn: Angstrom will boot from SD tho' |
| 11:41.47 | marajin | sadly android is frankly rather unstable in general |
| 11:42.04 | tymchn | angstrom? is that another android bundle? |
| 11:42.17 | marajin | No, it's a pure linux distro |
| 11:42.57 | tymchn | for the kaiser? :O nice! |
| 11:43.04 | marajin | I can boot my kaiser to console with it. Technically we can start X but it's not talking to the touchscreen right so we can't use X really. |
| 11:43.21 | marajin | You do understand that android is just a GUI over linux right? |
| 11:45.02 | marajin | We chatted at some point about making a pure console phone though :D |
| 11:45.23 | marajin | using just commandline or ncurses |
| 11:45.40 | tymchn | odd it still kernel panics even when running from memory |
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| 11:46.07 | marajin | Huh.. are you using the default.txt from the vogue site? that tends to bork things |
| 11:46.12 | marajin | yo ginge |
| 11:46.14 | tymchn | yeah I know that, just keen to play with it instead of something like opie |
| 11:46.15 | ginge | yo |
| 11:46.26 | tymchn | lol yeah, that might be it then |
| 11:46.54 | marajin | tymchn: Try the stuff from... http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ |
| 11:47.09 | marajin | ginge: How was it going with the SD bug that was stopping us booting android from SD? |
| 11:47.50 | ginge | marajin: well... not so great. I had an hour at it last night but got nowhere. Having trouble getting the brain to engage |
| 11:48.38 | marajin | ginge: Too tuckered out after hauling boxes and assembling swedish flatpack furniture? |
| 11:48.48 | ginge | marajin: thats the one |
| 11:49.23 | ginge | marajin: I might leave that and get bluetooth going. its a pain to trace without connectivity |
| 11:49.25 | marajin | Guess we'd better break out the 'phet for ya :P |
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| 11:50.08 | ginge | marajin: I just need coffee, and a skipload too |
| 11:50.16 | marajin | ginge: Hmm, I was just thinking that last night actually.. Dev's stalled cause we're stuck on a coupla particular annoying points so maybe it'd be worth getting something else working and take a break from the annoying points. |
| 11:50.32 | marajin | who knows, you might have an epiphany while you're half way through bluetooth, audio or PM code |
| 11:50.40 | ginge | marajin: yeah, or sdc will send me to the grave |
| 11:51.02 | marajin | ginge: I'll pour a pint over for you in that case ;) |
| 11:51.08 | ginge | marajin: funny you should say that about the audio... I have some traces that look interesting. A little side project maybe |
| 11:51.33 | ginge | marajin: :)QDom: saving invalid character �, the document will not be well-formed |
| 11:51.39 | ginge | uh? |
| 11:51.43 | ginge | kde 4.1 for you |
| 11:52.02 | marajin | ginge: Well get some of the other stuff working and we could just do our console/ncurses only phone image :D |
| 11:52.21 | ginge | marajin: no joy with X? |
| 11:52.36 | marajin | ginge: Naw getting X to listen to the TS is a headache too. |
| 11:52.49 | marajin | I don't think anyone really knows what's wrong with it at this point |
| 11:52.59 | ginge | marajin: symptoms? |
| 11:53.20 | marajin | It just doesn't react to TS events? |
| 11:53.36 | marajin | It's worth checking with dcordes_ for the latest on it I guess. I've been busy/away the last day or so myself |
| 11:53.39 | ginge | marajin: hmm. |
| 11:53.51 | ginge | marajin: okay, will do. |
| 11:53.59 | ginge | brb smoke time |
| 11:55.32 | ginge | whoa re active kaisers devs at the moment? |
| 11:57.08 | marajin | ginge: um.... only active kaiser people at all at the moment are pretty much you, me and dcordes_ |
| 11:57.53 | ginge | marajin: ok. well I need to go to the shop to get more tobacconated goodies... brb as soon as I find any shops. |
| 11:58.22 | marajin | ginge: Right you are |
| 12:00.03 | BabelO_ | NAiL: yes it s me |
| 12:01.06 | tymchn | yaye its booting, love the knightrider animation! |
| 12:01.31 | NAiL | BabelO_: Thanks ;) Been trying out Qtopia a bit, being stuck at qnetwalk for a while :-P |
| 12:01.46 | BabelO_ | NAiL: lol |
| 12:01.55 | BabelO_ | NAiL: which level ? |
| 12:02.51 | BabelO_ | NAiL: you have an gps app on it too, you just need to create your own maps |
| 12:02.51 | NAiL | I'm still at "amateur", a bit too early in the morning for me :P |
| 12:03.14 | NAiL | It looks *excellent*. What work would be needed for gsm to work? |
| 12:03.57 | tymchn | how do I exit the androi globe application? |
| 12:04.13 | tymchn | nevermind I think it has crashed |
| 12:10.00 | BabelO_ | NAiL: i ve some code, need to debug it and to find what's wrong with artemis... but it should work soon |
| 12:10.18 | BabelO_ | NAiL: code is at linuxtogo git |
| 12:10.19 | NAiL | nice |
| 12:10.39 | NAiL | Will it be possible to run from internal flash eventually? |
| 12:11.30 | BabelO_ | NAiL: not at the moment, and internal flash look like a docG4... this kind of flash as no driver for linux at the moment, only experimental read is availaible somewhere |
| 12:12.01 | BabelO_ | NAiL: other solution if you have an unlock CID phone is to boot directly to sd card after doing a reset from wince |
| 12:12.03 | NAiL | DiskOnChip? |
| 12:12.09 | NAiL | hates DoC |
| 12:12.18 | BabelO_ | NAiL: yes |
| 12:13.30 | NAiL | hmm. Probably a newb question, but how do I boot directly from sd? |
| 12:14.06 | NAiL | needs to get another sdhc card |
| 12:15.03 | marajin | tymchn: For what it's worth, that's actually meant to be a Cylon (From battle star galactica). Android, Cylon, Get it? |
| 12:15.25 | NAiL | ooh... 16gb sdhc. |
| 12:15.50 | tymchn | ah very good, shame the kaiser isnt more chromey lol |
| 12:16.06 | marajin | tymchn: And yeah it will have crashed probably, like I said, android is a weeee bit unstable :P |
| 12:16.08 | ginge | holds aloft a magic pot noodle, and utters the words "I have the hungerrrr" |
| 12:16.25 | marajin | pats Ginge on the head and munches his scrambled chuckies on toast. |
| 12:16.26 | BabelO_ | NAiL: first you have to CID unlock your phone, it is not like carrier unlock |
| 12:16.42 | BabelO_ | NAiL: after that you have to get EOL booloader |
| 12:16.51 | ginge | marajin: mmm that does sound good. Now I think I saw a cooker in here somewhere |
| 12:16.53 | BabelO_ | NAiL: look here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Artemis |
| 12:17.08 | BabelO_ | NAiL: wouah, never try sdhc with linux |
| 12:17.09 | marajin | ginge: It's under a box |
| 12:17.12 | marajin | :p |
| 12:17.20 | marajin | BabelO_: Why not? |
| 12:17.25 | NAiL | BabelO_: CID-unlock is to flash custom firmware, right? I've cooked my own once or twice |
| 12:17.51 | BabelO_ | NAiL: yes, so you have permanent CID unlock, or just the uspl stuff ? |
| 12:18.00 | NAiL | BabelO_: Why not sdhc? I'm running your linux from my sdhc-card now. |
| 12:18.06 | BabelO_ | NAiL: i buyed the 20eur unlock code |
| 12:18.29 | BabelO_ | NAiL: ah, very good to heard, i ve never tried, no sdhc card here |
| 12:18.31 | marajin | BabelO_: s/buyed/bought/ ;) |
| 12:18.33 | NAiL | BabelO_: Well, it would appear that it's permanent (The version on the initial boot screen has stayed the same like... forever) |
| 12:19.00 | marajin | BabelO_: But yeah, SDHC tends to work ok for most devices that support it at all nowadays I think |
| 12:19.15 | BabelO_ | marajin: yes :) |
| 12:20.03 | BabelO_ | NAiL: not sure, i ve got a checksum even with USPL patch |
| 12:21.22 | tymchn | lol yeah just been playing with it now marajin, and it does seem a it crash happy :D |
| 12:22.57 | marajin | tymchn: The original google emulator just crashes every few minutes really. It's totally unstable from square one. Really tis only a proof of concept and as soon as we get the kaiser to run X properly we'll probably ignore android till newer, more stable versions are released by google. |
| 12:23.47 | tymchn | marajin: sounds good, so is it mostly console linux running reliably at the moment? |
| 12:24.09 | marajin | tymchn: yeah |
| 12:24.23 | marajin | tymchn: The kernel is pretty solid |
| 12:24.33 | NAiL | BabelO_: Ok, I guess I'll find out :) |
| 12:26.06 | NAiL | Is it possible to over/underclock the device in linux btw? |
| 12:29.21 | BabelO_ | NAiL: Cpufreq is not working at the moment for this omap processor |
| 12:29.51 | BabelO_ | NAiL: if you find the wince overclock sources :) |
| 12:29.55 | NAiL | My Artemis has been idle for about a month. I don't really use it that much, so testing linux is fine ;) |
| 12:30.34 | BabelO_ | NAiL: oh ? you have another phone ? |
| 12:30.50 | NAiL | I use my SE K810i most of the time |
| 12:31.14 | NAiL | I got the artemis for free ;) |
| 12:32.21 | BabelO_ | ok |
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| 12:32.49 | NAiL | I'm considering getting an iPhone in a few months. In that case, the Artemis is definitely a hacktoy :) |
| 12:33.07 | marajin | NAiL: noooo! Don't do it! |
| 12:33.26 | throwt | hey what phone should I get if I want to buy a phone for best linux compatability |
| 12:33.34 | kiozen | ...you will be assimilated... |
| 12:33.38 | NAiL | marajin: Why not? |
| 12:33.40 | throwt | what are a few of the 'best' phones? |
| 12:34.01 | marajin | NAiL: well if you stand for open/free software, going apple isn't so wise :P |
| 12:34.24 | marajin | NAiL: in a few months you'll be able to pick things up like the raphael anyway |
| 12:34.32 | marajin | and the HTC dream I think |
| 12:36.31 | NAiL | I'd love a Touch Diamond with linux. Is anyone working on that? =) |
| 12:37.06 | marajin | the device is too new but based on its hardware, in a few months there'll at least be an active port...probably |
| 12:37.52 | BabelO_ | kiozen: svn starts again :) |
| 12:38.06 | kiozen | yep, i have seenit |
| 12:38.34 | BabelO_ | kiozen: command monitoring ? :) |
| 12:38.49 | kiozen | no impatience |
| 12:38.58 | kiozen | got my new i-Blue 747 bt mouse with MTK chip set |
| 12:39.29 | BabelO_ | kiozen: oh, what is that chipset ? equal to sirf III ? |
| 12:39.39 | kiozen | better :) |
| 12:39.40 | throwt | none of the htc phones support native boot :P |
| 12:40.06 | marajin | throwt: Hmm? no some can be flashed/booted directly I think |
| 12:40.12 | throwt | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 12:40.19 | kiozen | and no stupid static navigation |
| 12:43.49 | BabelO_ | throwt: artemis, wizard support native boot, but not on flash, directly on sd |
| 12:44.08 | BabelO_ | throwt: and magician is close to boot on flash directly :) |
| 12:44.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, i look at specs |
| 12:45.00 | throwt | I wish something new like the tilt would work good :P |
| 12:45.18 | marajin | throwt: It works ok. We're making good progress with it |
| 12:45.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: I get a fix at my desk. never managed with sirf III |
| 12:45.32 | ginge | tilt? |
| 12:45.36 | ginge | is that kaiser? |
| 12:45.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: even my garmin won't get it |
| 12:45.39 | marajin | ginge: Yep |
| 12:46.18 | kiozen | BabelO_: it is told to be more stable against reflections |
| 12:46.49 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok i see better power management, 5Hz refresh measure |
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| 12:47.24 | BabelO_ | kiozen: but no AGPS for it |
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| 13:58.39 | throwt | I was thinking about maybe getting the tilt (kaiser apparently) and running linux on it instead of jailbreaking an iphone |
| 13:58.52 | throwt | tilt==bt, wifi, gps, 3g == awesome |
| 13:59.21 | throwt | I think maybe something like this would be better than both - http://dfj-store.com/product_info.php?products_id=923 |
| 14:01.20 | miknix | OMG |
| 14:01.27 | miknix | new opera browser is awesome |
| 14:02.07 | miknix | it makes my wizard almost useful again |
| 14:02.58 | dcordes_ | throwt: an expensive beast |
| 14:03.23 | dcordes_ | and an x86 umpc with 5" screen |
| 14:05.24 | throwt | its the most impressive umpc i've seen thus far |
| 14:05.52 | throwt | I'd call the really small KOHJINSHA second place |
| 14:07.31 | dcordes_ | aren't umpcs hard to compare with cellphones? |
| 14:08.13 | throwt | yeah, and its not direct as its doesnt have cellular capabilities. im not comparing 1:1 |
| 14:34.58 | ellisway | hi all |
| 14:44.04 | marajin | UMPCs turn out to be fundamentally useless, they tease you with aaaalmost being full PCs but fail you by lacking any serious power |
| 14:44.26 | marajin | In reality they become overpriced, oversized PDAs |
| 14:44.41 | marajin | Especially with the rate PDA specs are rising |
| 14:45.01 | marajin | I dread to think what the raphael's successor will be :P |
| 14:49.08 | dcordes_ | polaris is now in OE |
| 14:53.20 | marajin | dcordes_: Er, woo! :P |
| 14:57.44 | marajin | dcordes_: How's the TS thing going? |
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| 15:28.05 | throwt | Since the works/doesnt work page is a bit outdated, can someone say which of GSM/PHONE, GPRS/3G/DATA, wifi, bt, SD works on the kaiser (tilt?) |
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| 16:13.14 | marajin | throwt: GSM/GRPS/SD/Touchscreen/Framebuffer work. |
| 16:13.42 | marajin | throwt: Audio works in calls but doesn't work for system sounds, but is half way there.. BT is currently a work in progress. |
| 16:13.49 | throwt | nice. |
| 16:14.41 | marajin | Really I think once sound and powermanagement are sussed it would become a useable system |
| 16:16.21 | throwt | i remember lifedrive linux. keeping it on charge would destroy the battery as it didnt have power management |
| 16:16.41 | marajin | that isn't what power management particularily means but yeah |
| 16:16.50 | marajin | I had a lifedrive way back when they were first developing LD linux |
| 16:17.44 | throwt | yeah. then it went absolutely nowhere |
| 16:18.06 | marajin | well they still didn't get wifi going did they? |
| 16:18.33 | throwt | last time i checked, no. i looked into that specifically like a year ago without any results |
| 16:18.50 | marajin | well it was an obscure chip that nobody would release ANY specs on |
| 16:18.55 | marajin | so they were kinda shafted |
| 16:19.03 | marajin | everything else ended up working eventually though, no? |
| 16:20.14 | throwt | busted charging control really was the dealbreaker, so i didnt look into it that much |
| 16:20.39 | throwt | i played with it, then forgot about it and left it alone |
| 16:20.46 | marajin | it's sad really as the T3/T5 did quite well IIRC |
| 16:21.17 | marajin | the LD was failed by a few stupid design decisions, the LD was the last straw when it came down to loyalty to palm for me |
| 16:21.45 | marajin | It was an awesome device let down by an archaic OS and severe lack of RAM |
| 16:22.09 | marajin | I mean it had 32MB but they only let er 6.5MB to the "dynamic heap" or whatever palm calls the RAM left available to actual programs |
| 16:22.26 | throwt | aye, lack of ram was bad... and uh, it had 4gb of storage and such a shitty mail program that could never scale to use any significant part of that |
| 16:22.28 | marajin | I think the T3 allowed more like 14MB to apps |
| 16:22.40 | marajin | or 16 |
| 16:22.41 | marajin | I forget |
| 16:22.44 | marajin | it was much higher |
| 16:23.07 | marajin | whereas my kaiser is sharing out it's luffly 128MB leaving oh iunno about 80 MB to apps |
| 16:23.22 | marajin | and the raphael's nuts with 288MB to share out.. I want the raphael :( |
| 16:24.06 | throwt | seems TMNT is more popular than htc |
| 16:24.18 | marajin | heh |
| 16:24.51 | marajin | Raphael == The Diamond's slightly bigger brother.. |
| 16:25.06 | marajin | They added a keyboard at least |
| 16:26.04 | marajin | They call it the HTC Touch Pro but we only ever use codenames here or it gets confusing. |
| 16:26.09 | marajin | TOo many rebrands of the same device |
| 16:26.32 | marajin | Kaiser = TyTn 2, XDA Stellar, Tilt, Vario IV, etc, etc, etc. |
| 16:27.05 | marajin | though there are minor differences |
| 16:27.16 | marajin | the Kaiser as such has two cameras but the tilt only has one for example |
| 16:27.23 | marajin | and the tilt has a different keyboard |
| 16:27.27 | throwt | If linux runs and is semi-usable Iĺl be getting a tilt today |
| 16:28.04 | throwt | having openoffice for the phone would be neat. |
| 16:28.06 | marajin | well we can boot to console, log on to GPRS/3G/etc, read from the GPS and register Touchscreen input, and read/write to SD and SDHC as far as I know |
| 16:28.24 | marajin | under android you can technically make and recieve calls |
| 16:28.32 | marajin | and use data |
| 16:28.36 | marajin | but it's really reallyunstable |
| 16:28.48 | throwt | as long as theres a future its not as bad... as uh, the future for my hermes |
| 16:28.58 | marajin | yeah the poor hermes |
| 16:29.00 | throwt | not so much |
| 16:29.18 | marajin | the hermes is fucked because of the SD |
| 16:29.32 | marajin | nobody knows how to get SD going so t'was mostly ignored in the end |
| 16:30.44 | marajin | and my hermes, well it just inexplicably broke |
| 16:31.02 | marajin | it doesn't register when I slide the keyboard out and half the keys don't respond |
| 16:31.15 | marajin | and I don't know why because I don't actually use the hermes anymore. |
| 16:32.15 | throwt | too bad thunderbird cant be used :P |
| 16:32.17 | throwt | and firefox |
| 16:33.00 | marajin | I find opera to be decent on the kaiser |
| 16:33.14 | throwt | linux kaiser? |
| 16:33.31 | marajin | nah windows mobile kaiser |
| 16:33.46 | marajin | the google web browswer is nice if it'd stop locking up under linux/android |
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| 16:50.36 | marajin | hah |
| 16:50.39 | marajin | typical |
| 16:50.41 | marajin | I fixed the slider |
| 16:50.44 | marajin | now the backlight is dead |
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| 17:03.47 | marajin | aha! Victory for zim |
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| 17:34.56 | AstainHellbring | zim? |
| 17:36.41 | marajin | AstainHellbring: Yeah, never saw the TV show "Invader Zim" huh? |
| 17:40.55 | NAiL | Zim is *brilliant* |
| 17:41.15 | AstainHellbring | ahh that one |
| 17:42.25 | NAiL | "Children, your performance was miserable. Your parents will all receive phone calls instructing them to love you less now." |
| 17:45.10 | NAiL | downloads Invader Zim again |
| 17:45.22 | NAiL | My Zim "house" is at the other end of town :P |
| 17:47.18 | kaboofa | hahaha |
| 17:47.24 | kaboofa | I forgot I had season 1 of that :D |
| 17:51.43 | NAiL | likes Jhonen Vasquez and Ronan Dirge |
| 17:53.28 | marajin | "Bow doooown, Bow dooooown, before the power of santa or be cruuuuuuushed, be cruuuuuushed byyyyyy.... hisjollyredbootsofdoom!" |
| 17:54.40 | NAiL | Too bad the show was cancelled :( |
| 17:57.38 | marajin | well it wasn't really suitable for nickolodeon was it? :P |
| 17:57.42 | marajin | it was too adult |
| 17:57.55 | marajin | Most of the zim fans were at least 20 |
| 17:58.23 | kaboofa | yeah, i didn't really get it when i first saw it on tv |
| 17:58.26 | kaboofa | but now i think it's fantastic |
| 17:58.43 | marajin | GIR! RIDE THE PIGGY! |
| 17:59.03 | kaboofa | I'M GONNA SING THE DOOM SONG NOW! |
| 17:59.09 | kaboofa | doom doom do do doom dodo dooooooooooooooooooooom |
| 17:59.31 | kaboofa | (truncated version of course, I don't want to be on the recieving end of a +o's boot) |
| 17:59.32 | marajin | Probably my favourite line though is.. "sniiiiif, aaaah, Clean lemony fresh victory for zim!" |
| 17:59.34 | NAiL | I love this show |
| 18:00.11 | NAiL | But... invader's blood marches through my veins, like giant RADIOACTIVE RUBBER PANTS! The pants command me. Do not ignore my veins! |
| 18:01.29 | marajin | gotta like gaz too |
| 18:03.34 | kaboofa | "Tell me a story about giant pigs!" |
| 18:04.43 | marajin | anyway |
| 18:04.50 | marajin | the point was I repaired my hermes |
| 18:05.41 | kaboofa | sweet deal :D |
| 18:07.12 | marajin | I fixed the keyboard/slide detect and the backlight anyway :) |
| 18:07.38 | marajin | sound and calls seem to be working correctly still too |
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| 19:25.47 | nighthawk08 | I am trying to run angstrom on my himalaya machine,. and I can not find any images for that... |
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| 19:27.12 | nighthawk08 | anybody? |
| 19:27.29 | marajin | sorry, I dunno abotu the himalaya |
| 19:28.05 | nighthawk08 | do you use the bitbake to compile a version for mobiles? |
| 19:28.17 | marajin | yeah |
| 19:28.45 | nighthawk08 | how in the bb do I specify to only compile a version of linux for my mobile? |
| 19:29.40 | nighthawk08 | because running it like "bitbake gpe-image" creates a huge amount of files... |
| 19:30.24 | marajin | it does |
| 19:30.33 | marajin | you configure the machine type in local.conf |
| 19:30.54 | nighthawk08 | I've put my machine in local.conf,. |
| 19:31.07 | nighthawk08 | btw; what do I put in TARGET_OS? |
| 19:31.44 | marajin | We don't set it as far as I know |
| 19:32.22 | nighthawk08 | does it creates the zImage that I put on the vFAT? |
| 19:33.27 | marajin | it can do I think, I'm not an expert on bitbake/OpenEmbedded |
| 19:33.40 | nighthawk08 | oh |
| 19:33.50 | marajin | I usually get my zImages from one of the other devs because they're actively working on device drivers |
| 19:34.19 | marajin | but it will create a huge amount of packages yes, that's just OE |
| 19:34.36 | marajin | it always goes through 1000s of 'tasks' when you bitbake something |
| 19:34.49 | marajin | my OE folder is 18GB or something now I think |
| 19:35.41 | nighthawk08 | according to the documentation it can get as high as 35gb |
| 19:35.52 | marajin | if you compiled every package yes |
| 19:36.08 | nighthawk08 | do I need every package? |
| 19:36.24 | marajin | No,it will build everything it needs when you specific an image |
| 19:36.34 | nighthawk08 | ha |
| 19:36.39 | marajin | openmoko-image, gpe-image, opie-image, console-image, etc. |
| 19:37.00 | marajin | but you'll find GPE-image needs oh.. 4800 tasks or something |
| 19:37.10 | nighthawk08 | ok,. then it seems that I am on the right track,. now all I need to do is wait for that to finish the compilation... |
| 19:37.15 | marajin | yeah :P |
| 19:37.17 | marajin | It takes ages |
| 19:37.22 | nighthawk08 | :) |
| 19:37.28 | marajin | even on a fast machine |
| 19:37.43 | marajin | I run it on a quad xeon 2.66 and it's still a snooze fest waiting for it |
| 19:37.52 | nighthawk08 | now I am on task 116 of 4648 |
| 19:37.57 | throwt | are you parallelizing? |
| 19:38.03 | marajin | yes |
| 19:38.17 | nighthawk08 | how do I parallel...? |
| 19:38.36 | marajin | you can set the number of threads in an env variable |
| 19:38.57 | nighthawk08 | which var? |
| 19:39.14 | marajin | BB_THREADS= I think, lemme check |
| 19:39.52 | marajin | yeah |
| 19:40.04 | marajin | BB_THREADS it is |
| 19:40.14 | nighthawk08 | what is the common # on duo? |
| 19:40.16 | marajin | set it to the number of cores/processors you have |
| 19:40.21 | marajin | 2 |
| 19:43.26 | nighthawk08 | thanks marajin for the help,. |
| 19:43.41 | marajin | No worries |
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| 20:25.59 | tgreer | Hi People |
| 20:26.15 | marajin | 'lo |
| 20:26.32 | tgreer | Was wondering if anyone could help me? |
| 20:26.47 | marajin | well we don't know till you say what you need help with :P |
| 20:26.59 | tgreer | Trying to get command line on my kaiser |
| 20:27.14 | marajin | well what's your problem? |
| 20:27.14 | tgreer | got the files from xda-dev |
| 20:27.20 | tgreer | google android boots |
| 20:28.01 | marajin | tgreer: the files from? http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ |
| 20:28.13 | tgreer | them ones |
| 20:29.32 | marajin | hmm |
| 20:29.38 | marajin | what's it doing when you try to boot? |
| 20:30.08 | tgreer | it boots into android fine ... i'm just trying to get a console up? |
| 20:30.25 | marajin | yes but when you try to boot the angstrom.bin what does it do? |
| 20:30.30 | tgreer | unsure what to edit default.txt to to bot the angstrom.bin (thats what i believe I have to boot) |
| 20:30.53 | marajin | just find where it says android.bin and change it to angstrom.bin |
| 20:31.03 | tgreer | bitches about too big |
| 20:31.22 | marajin | 15MB is pretty small for an operating system :P |
| 20:31.53 | tgreer | suggestions then? |
| 20:31.56 | marajin | you realise that winmobile can be 80-90 MB ? |
| 20:31.59 | tgreer | yes |
| 20:34.00 | marajin | well if you have the file there and change default.txt it should boot fine |
| 20:34.01 | tgreer | So, I have the wrong file? |
| 20:34.09 | marajin | we've tested it on dozens of kaisers now |
| 20:34.19 | tgreer | can you show me your default.txt? |
| 20:34.52 | marajin | tgreer: I suppose |
| 20:35.55 | marajin | set MTYPE 1553 |
| 20:35.55 | marajin | set KERNEL zImage.bin |
| 20:35.55 | marajin | set RAMSIZE 0x7800000 |
| 20:35.55 | marajin | set RAMADDR 0x10000000 |
| 20:35.55 | marajin | #Rotate the framebuffer console 90° to the left |
| 20:35.58 | marajin | set CMDLINE "fbcon=rotate:3" |
| 20:36.00 | marajin | set INITRD angstrom.bin |
| 20:36.03 | marajin | bootlinux |
| 20:37.28 | tgreer | 'Image too large ( 1213396+31149056) - largest size is 25165824 |
| 20:37.56 | marajin | O.o |
| 20:38.03 | marajin | where'd you get a30 meg image from? |
| 20:38.35 | tgreer | angstrom.bin :s |
| 20:38.43 | marajin | angstrom.bin is 15MB |
| 20:38.49 | tgreer | noted |
| 20:38.51 | tgreer | thanks |
| 20:41.23 | tgreer | er should it be bin.gz or .bin? |
| 20:41.40 | marajin | doesn't matter as long as you put it right in default.txt |
| 20:42.00 | tgreer | ah ok |
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| 21:02.01 | dcordes | hi |
| 21:02.30 | marajin | 'lo |
| 21:02.51 | dcordes | heya |
| 21:03.19 | marajin | How's it going? |
| 21:03.42 | dcordes | I'm fine, having some dinner, you? |
| 21:03.58 | marajin | watch some TV for once |
| 21:04.39 | dcordes | car tuning shows? |
| 21:04.47 | marajin | Um no |
| 21:04.55 | marajin | comedy shows |
| 21:05.41 | dcordes | southpark! |
| 21:06.02 | marajin | nope |
| 21:06.05 | marajin | british panelist shows |
| 21:06.51 | dcordes | the sort of interesting show? |
| 21:07.00 | marajin | topical yes |
| 21:07.41 | dcordes | quite intersting, I mean |
| 21:07.51 | marajin | oh |
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| 21:07.55 | marajin | similar yes |
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| 21:08.47 | rikkkk7 | Hi there!! |
| 21:09.01 | marajin | oh dear, a wave of enthusiasm! |
| 21:09.05 | dcordes | you rikkkk7! |
| 21:09.08 | dcordes | yo |
| 21:09.26 | rikkkk7 | please, can someone say me if is possible to install linux on htc kaiser? |
| 21:09.36 | dcordes | yes it is |
| 21:09.42 | marajin | rikkkk7: It's possible to run linux on the kaiser yes |
| 21:09.46 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ get this stuff! |
| 21:09.46 | rikkkk7 | android, openmoko, etc |
| 21:09.57 | rikkkk7 | wow |
| 21:09.58 | dcordes | openmoko is... in the work :_D |
| 21:10.00 | rikkkk7 | tnx a lot |
| 21:10.03 | dcordes | welcome |
| 21:10.08 | marajin | rikkkk7: Android yes, console linux yes, openmoko/gpe/opie not yet but we're working on it |
| 21:10.20 | rikkkk7 | you are light-speed |
| 21:10.32 | dcordes | always |
| 21:10.34 | rikkkk7 | tnx you all, guys! |
| 21:10.50 | marajin | suddenly feels like putting wolfsheim on .. |
| 21:10.50 | dcordes | no problem |
| 21:10.53 | rikkkk7 | i'd like to help the project |
| 21:11.01 | dcordes | can you code? |
| 21:11.08 | rikkkk7 | i can use photoshop |
| 21:11.12 | rikkkk7 | no more |
| 21:11.24 | rikkkk7 | but i'd like to hel in every way |
| 21:11.27 | dcordes | ok you can paint a 240x320 and 320x240 wallpapaer for openmoko on kaiser. |
| 21:11.40 | rikkkk7 | sure no prob |
| 21:11.43 | dcordes | :) |
| 21:11.51 | dcordes | I will put it in the first working rootfs then |
| 21:11.56 | dcordes | we need the touchscreen in openmoko |
| 21:12.02 | rikkkk7 | now i have to go but i'll be there tomorrow |
| 21:12.04 | marajin | we really do dcordes |
| 21:12.14 | marajin | see ya rikkkk7 |
| 21:12.24 | rikkkk7 | bye and tnx see you soon |
| 21:12.28 | dcordes | marajin: I'm stuck compiling the kdrive code with the debug stuff tmzt gave me |
| 21:12.31 | dcordes | cya |
| 21:12.36 | marajin | dcordes: Why what's up? |
| 21:12.49 | dcordes | it doesn't compile |
| 21:12.54 | marajin | yes I got that bit |
| 21:13.00 | marajin | what's the problem with the compile? |
| 21:13.02 | dcordes | I actually didn't retry since I did rm -rf |
| 21:13.13 | marajin | -.- |
| 21:13.43 | dcordes | -.-? it gave odd errors with tscalibrate compilation |
| 21:14.03 | dcordes | let me look up the debug lines from iclem |
| 21:14.04 | marajin | it's an emoticon it's kinda an expression of mild frustration I guess? :P |
| 21:14.54 | ali1234 | why not openmoko? it works on wizard you know... |
| 21:15.08 | marajin | ali1234: X won't understand out touchscreen code |
| 21:15.15 | marajin | ali1234: And we dunno why |
| 21:15.25 | marajin | ali1234: since TS works in android |
| 21:15.35 | dcordes | ali1234: right. in the tslib applications it works out fine, then Xfbdev doesn't recognize it |
| 21:15.43 | ali1234 | o dear |
| 21:15.54 | marajin | yeah |
| 21:16.02 | marajin | very headache inducing |
| 21:16.44 | marajin | dcordes: I was saying to ginge maybe he should try working on something else for a bit instead of fixing the SD problem so he can take a break and maybe he has new ideas to fix SD later but I think we kinda need to get X/OpenMoko working |
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| 21:17.00 | marajin | ... |
| 21:17.02 | ali1234 | yo ginge |
| 21:17.06 | ginge | yoyo |
| 21:17.07 | marajin | speak of the devil and.. :P |
| 21:17.14 | ginge | as ifby magic :) |
| 21:17.27 | dcordes | heya |
| 21:17.44 | marajin | ginge: Yo.. if your hermes is beyond redemption... I may want to steal the earpiece speaker at one point. |
| 21:17.47 | ali1234 | oh you'll need working SD do get openmoko working.. thought you had it already |
| 21:18.01 | ginge | ali1234: fix the dma :) |
| 21:18.15 | ali1234 | try coldbooting with EOL or something |
| 21:18.20 | ginge | marajin: sure, I still have not tried tofix it yet |
| 21:18.42 | ali1234 | winmobile does something weird to the hardware on wizard, at least |
| 21:19.01 | dcordes | interesting point |
| 21:21.46 | ginge | so did I miss anything interesting? |
| 21:22.08 | marajin | ginge: I repaired my hermes but my earpiece is still too quiet and I think I'm not gona fix it without replacing the actual speaker module |
| 21:23.10 | ginge | attach it to an 80s style bookbox |
| 21:23.21 | ginge | s/bookbox/boombox/ |
| 21:25.26 | marajin | hah |
| 21:25.50 | marajin | nah man but if the part ever ends up just going spare, ya know, better to have one working hermes than 2 fucked ones |
| 21:25.52 | ginge | I have had bigger phoens |
| 21:26.01 | ginge | marajin: quite right. |
| 21:26.33 | marajin | that said, mine WORKS it's just very quiet. I can hear it but anyone with less sharp hearing.. buggered, and if it's a noisy environment even I struggle |
| 21:26.37 | ginge | isnt sure where it is at the moment |
| 21:26.46 | marajin | dropped it in coffee quite a while ago :P |
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| 21:26.51 | ginge | marajin: build a little preamp :) |
| 21:26.58 | marajin | heh |
| 21:27.02 | ali1234 | use a headset |
| 21:27.06 | marajin | the earpiece can't take it |
| 21:27.10 | marajin | and yeah it's fine on headset |
| 21:27.18 | marajin | I just like to have things working perfectly if possible |
| 21:27.27 | ginge | marajin: get an old style telephone and embed the kaiser into the handset |
| 21:27.38 | marajin | ginge: Now you're being silly :P |
| 21:27.44 | ali1234 | linwizard project has a workaround for SD card involving disabling the SD card in winmobile using a registry hack. have you tried that on kaiser? |
| 21:27.46 | ginge | hermes even |
| 21:27.52 | marajin | mind you, it would look comical |
| 21:28.02 | ginge | ali1234: whats that for? |
| 21:28.15 | ginge | ali1234: what should that solve? |
| 21:28.15 | ali1234 | its for making SD card work in linux |
| 21:28.28 | ali1234 | without it, it just doesnt work |
| 21:28.44 | ali1234 | unless you boot from EOL, before winmob messes up the dmas and what-have-you |
| 21:28.53 | ginge | ali1234: sd works in linux. I think something is triggering a premature IRQ so it needs filtering |
| 21:28.56 | marajin | Our SD card works we just have DMA fubars on very large files |
| 21:29.13 | marajin | er at the start of the android boot ye |
| 21:29.13 | marajin | p |
| 21:29.17 | dcordes | marajin: I also have the fubar trying to copy a 5M file |
| 21:29.26 | ali1234 | ok, your SD card must work in a totally different way then, i guess |
| 21:29.27 | dcordes | and also when I do find & |
| 21:29.32 | dcordes | find / |
| 21:29.38 | ginge | ali1234: its built into the msm chip |
| 21:29.39 | marajin | well it's just a large data access problem yeah |
| 21:29.53 | ginge | dcordes: any prolonged disk transfer dmas out |
| 21:30.53 | marajin | ginge: Well let's not worry about it for now, do your audio or BT =) or maybe attack TS some more if you can work that out. |
| 21:31.03 | ali1234 | prolonged, or just after a certain amount of data has been passed? |
| 21:31.10 | ginge | marajin: cant do anything while my phone is the internet gateway |
| 21:31.23 | marajin | ginge: We're getting quite a LOT of people asking about kaiser linux the last few days. It'd be nice if we got TS working.. |
| 21:31.24 | ginge | ali1234: amount of data is variable. |
| 21:31.30 | marajin | ginge: Can't use the BA as an RNDIS device? |
| 21:31.31 | ali1234 | hum |
| 21:31.41 | ginge | marajin: I thought dcordes was on that one? |
| 21:31.51 | ginge | marajin: its waaaaaay too slow |
| 21:31.51 | dcordes | I'm taking care of the touchscreen |
| 21:31.53 | marajin | ginge: He is but we can't work out wtf it won't work |
| 21:31.57 | ginge | marajin: pre modem speeds |
| 21:32.04 | marajin | ginge: ooh, fun :P |
| 21:32.22 | marajin | ginge: You could porn surf all night and only see 3 naked women! |
| 21:32.38 | ginge | marajin: who needs more than half? |
| 21:32.53 | marajin | You've been domesticated :P |
| 21:33.01 | ginge | rofl |
| 21:37.54 | marajin | heh =) |
| 21:38.13 | marajin | Oh dear lord.. the gf is giving me grief because I apparently never told her I was working with you guys on the linux stuff :P |
| 21:38.18 | marajin | what is it with women sometimes? |
| 21:41.50 | marajin | ginge: Honestly, you ever get moments like that? |
| 21:42.22 | ginge | marajin: no, perfectly blisfull happy joy joy world here! |
| 21:42.29 | marajin | hah |
| 21:42.34 | ginge | look slightly to the left and smiles innocently |
| 21:42.44 | marajin | ginge: Careful mate, you'll poke a hole in your screen with that nose. |
| 21:43.02 | ginge | heh |
| 21:43.08 | marajin | The really crazy thing is, I did, she even admits I mentioned you live nearbyish |
| 21:43.29 | marajin | but somehow I never actually told her I was in aaaaany way involved |
| 21:45.32 | marajin | I've got to stop winning 'discussions'.... heh It doesn't really help in the long run |
| 21:46.02 | ginge | marajin: yeah, retreat is often the winning plan. Doesn't stop me trying though |
| 21:46.27 | marajin | Oh I can win the discussion, I just get .. let's say the sour treatment for quite a while |
| 21:46.31 | marajin | and she never, ever, ever forgets |
| 21:46.39 | ginge | dude, thats not winning |
| 21:46.48 | marajin | Nah that's winning the battle and losing the war :P |
| 21:47.38 | marajin | she'll calm down in a while, and be fine till she gets stressed out next and then it'll come back. |
| 21:48.04 | marajin | But hey, at a month off the 3rd anniversary I guess I let myself in for it really |
| 21:48.43 | ginge | pushing 7 here |
| 21:49.08 | marajin | hoping senility sets in soon? |
| 21:50.02 | marajin | I know I am |
| 21:50.20 | ginge | /ms is senile |
| 21:50.26 | marajin | heh :P |
| 21:50.26 | ginge | see, cant even type |
| 21:50.33 | marajin | So you guys are married or just together? |
| 21:50.45 | ginge | together. Much cheaper that way |
| 21:51.09 | marajin | I was wondering, since I've never seen you say wife |
| 21:51.30 | ginge | were both geeks so we dont see the point of spending the money. Much better to buy gadgets :) |
| 21:52.06 | marajin | Yeah I thought I was getting a geek but in the end I didn't so much get a geek as someone who's generally content just to be on the net a lot |
| 21:52.38 | ginge | I got someting sort of half way between the two ;) |
| 21:53.06 | marajin | Well actually she'd be a geek if she didn't have self esteem and issues with comparing herself to others |
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| 21:53.33 | marajin | I can't involve her in anything I do inna geeky fashio because she'll just go into a mood about me being better at it and how she sucks andwill never get it and so on |
| 21:54.07 | ginge | sounds familiar |
| 21:55.23 | marajin | yeah |
| 21:55.45 | dcordes | ginge: all ikeas done? |
| 21:55.50 | marajin | I tried to play computer games with her for a while but I got the same thing, I wouldn't care but she was actually doing pretty well |
| 21:56.11 | ginge | dcordes: yeah, got to get more tomorrow. Amazing how much crap you accululate over time |
| 21:57.27 | ewon | girlfriends are headwreckers |
| 21:57.29 | ewon | news at 11 |
| 21:57.36 | marajin | hah :P |
| 21:57.45 | marajin | they're stressful |
| 21:57.49 | marajin | headwreckers... eh |
| 21:57.56 | ewon | I'm a god-damned games coder, of course I have to work late sometimes |
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| 21:58.09 | marajin | believe me I've been messed around enough she couldn't wreck my head much more |
| 21:58.24 | tgreer | Hey marajin thanks for your help |
| 21:58.33 | marajin | tgreer: Got it to work at last? =) |
| 21:58.47 | tgreer | yes ... once i had the right .bin :S dunno how I got a 30mb one |
| 21:58.52 | tgreer | quick question |
| 21:58.58 | marajin | ewon: Man you could be an astronaut or a firefighter, it wouldnt matter |
| 21:59.00 | tgreer | on the kaiser ... how do you exit vi? :P |
| 21:59.15 | ginge | tgreer: oh dear :( |
| 21:59.25 | marajin | tgreer: Hah, yeah we ...may or may not have the key bound dependant on what image you have |
| 21:59.32 | marajin | tgreer: Geeeenerally... you don't |
| 21:59.35 | tgreer | :( |
| 21:59.42 | ali1234 | tgreer: it's meant to be used over a usb network connection |
| 21:59.52 | marajin | ali1234: Kaiser doesn't have usb |
| 21:59.54 | ali1234 | (if it works on kaiser yet) |
| 21:59.56 | marajin | ali1234: (working in linux) |
| 22:00.14 | ali1234 | man, none of that stuff works :( |
| 22:00.14 | ginge | ali1234: still writing in usb support |
| 22:00.29 | ginge | ali1234: it takes ages to write this stuff |
| 22:00.43 | marajin | ali1234: We haven't bothered, c'mon these guys got GPRS/GSM/FB/TS/SD/etc. all working in like a month or two. |
| 22:00.53 | marajin | ali1234: It's one of the fastest progressing ports I've seen |
| 22:01.08 | tgreer | wifi? :) |
| 22:01.11 | ali1234 | heh, only cos google wrote most of it for ya :) |
| 22:01.22 | marajin | it detects but doesn't work or something. Or it sees the SDIO at least |
| 22:01.38 | tgreer | ah kk |
| 22:01.44 | tgreer | so er no using vi for now? |
| 22:01.54 | ginge | ali1234: right, but none of googles code is compatible with this, so we have to rewrite it all. They also dont have code for fb/usb/sdio uarts keyboard :) |
| 22:02.17 | marajin | yep :P |
| 22:02.17 | dcordes | egpio |
| 22:02.22 | tgreer | rats |
| 22:02.28 | ginge | dcordes: yep, good one |
| 22:02.33 | tgreer | resets KAIS-01 |
| 22:02.47 | tgreer | and no wifi? :( |
| 22:02.55 | marajin | no wifi yet |
| 22:03.04 | tgreer | mkay |
| 22:03.07 | tgreer | hspda? |
| 22:03.13 | ginge | did anyone find an acx driver that compiles yet? |
| 22:03.19 | marajin | we can technically do reverse data connections via GPRS/3G/HSDPA though |
| 22:03.20 | tgreer | sorry for being a pain, but my sources of info are lax |
| 22:03.49 | marajin | tgreer: yeah you can connect to the GPRS/EDGE/3G/etc. see the ppp.sh script that should be in the angstom image |
| 22:03.52 | dcordes | ginge: yes. okias found the acx dudes fix 2.6.26 |
| 22:03.59 | dcordes | fixed |
| 22:04.02 | tgreer | :) |
| 22:04.08 | tgreer | *favourites this channel* |
| 22:04.23 | marajin | tgreer: I connected and had this channel on my kaiser under linux once |
| 22:04.31 | ginge | dcordes: will it backport to .25? |
| 22:04.32 | marajin | irssi is luffly |
| 22:04.34 | meredydd | hears the dulcet tones of a Kaiser-linux discussion |
| 22:04.39 | dcordes | shrugs |
| 22:04.40 | meredydd | ginge: How's the move going? |
| 22:04.43 | tgreer | irssi ftw |
| 22:04.57 | ginge | meredydd: almost done. Just got to unpack it all again. Thanks :) |
| 22:05.00 | marajin | where'd I put the photo.. |
| 22:05.07 | tgreer | er you compiled irssi on the kaiser? |
| 22:05.27 | meredydd | ginge: Awesome. You know I only ask out of pure selfishness :D |
| 22:05.34 | meredydd | (well - mostly. A little, at least.) |
| 22:05.48 | dcordes | tgreer: angstrom-distribution.org/repo get one ipk for =< armv6 |
| 22:05.52 | ginge | meredydd: don't get too excited. I don't have a good broadband link for a couple of weeks |
| 22:06.01 | dcordes | that was for tgreer |
| 22:06.09 | tgreer | dcordes: never used ipk? |
| 22:06.21 | dcordes | tgreer: get the file, then opkg install file |
| 22:06.24 | tgreer | yum, rpm -i, and apt-get are all I know |
| 22:06.28 | meredydd | 's okay, ginge - I'm not a client. Just interested. |
| 22:06.42 | dcordes | tgreer: you might need dependencies. |
| 22:06.43 | ginge | heh :) |
| 22:06.49 | marajin | http://marajin.w-ww.org/irssi-kaiser.jpg <-- :p |
| 22:07.26 | ali1234 | t-mobile blocks irc :( |
| 22:07.35 | marajin | Sorry for the shite quality, hermes cam |
| 22:07.48 | tgreer | ok marajin question, how do u get ssh on the kaiser, on your laptop? |
| 22:08.02 | tgreer | in *nix (OSX) or windoze |
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| 22:08.19 | marajin | tunneling and/or reverse connect I guess |
| 22:08.34 | dcordes | tgreer: get the ginge revssh.notsh script :) |
| 22:08.48 | tgreer | where are all these scripts ghiding |
| 22:08.54 | tgreer | am I missing something here? |
| 22:09.06 | dcordes | ppp.sh is in the angstrom.bin /usr/bin/ppp.sh |
| 22:09.36 | ginge | tgreer: http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/revssh.notsh |
| 22:09.54 | dcordes | I put an intird that has both but ppp.sh doesn't work there no clue why |
| 22:10.03 | dcordes | and it uses the correct angstrom init |
| 22:10.14 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/angstrom-new.bin |
| 22:11.09 | tgreer | *watches ppp come up :) |
| 22:11.51 | marajin | tgreer: Beautiful sight innit? |
| 22:11.53 | ginge | tgreer: so if you want to get a ssh connection to the phone from your osx you need to wget that file from my server onto the phone. Then sh it with the right args |
| 22:11.54 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.00 | marajin | tgreer: Hope you've got a data plan on your tariff |
| 22:12.05 | tgreer | yes :) |
| 22:12.08 | tgreer | heh |
| 22:12.16 | dcordes | I'll get mine 3rd |
| 22:12.24 | dcordes | can't wait |
| 22:12.26 | marajin | dcordes: Woo! Finally sorted huh? |
| 22:12.42 | dcordes | well vodafone finally sorted it |
| 22:12.47 | ginge | wonders how much capacity his dataplan has |
| 22:13.07 | tgreer | er ..whats the kaiser equiv of ctrl + C? |
| 22:13.07 | marajin | ginge: um well probably coupla hundred MB give or take. |
| 22:13.14 | ali1234 | apparently mine is unlimited, for real |
| 22:13.17 | tgreer | mine has 250mb |
| 22:13.19 | ginge | I seem to remember 350 |
| 22:13.25 | ali1234 | at least that's what the guy on the phone told me |
| 22:13.27 | marajin | tgreer: Winkey (on the keyboard) = ctrl |
| 22:13.37 | ginge | then about £100 per MB after that |
| 22:13.46 | tgreer | ah ty |
| 22:13.47 | tgreer | no worky tho |
| 22:13.52 | dcordes | lol wrong init |
| 22:14.02 | dcordes | your in the ass shell |
| 22:14.03 | marajin | ali1234: Yeah they're unlimited kinda but they have "fair use policy" stuff |
| 22:14.20 | marajin | tends to vary on what will actually trigger /that/ cause |
| 22:14.24 | dcordes | tgreer: try the angstrom-new.bin I posted above |
| 22:14.31 | ali1234 | marajin: this is what they said: you have a 1gb limit. if you go over, we degrade your speed. we never charge more, and we'll never cut you off. |
| 22:14.32 | tgreer | ah will do thanks |
| 22:14.33 | dcordes | I'm not sure if ppp will work there just ry |
| 22:14.37 | marajin | the fair use policy on my broadband at home is comical |
| 22:14.42 | dcordes | it gives you proper ctrl and all |
| 22:14.54 | tgreer | awesome :) |
| 22:15.06 | ali1234 | of course i don't have it in writing |
| 22:15.07 | marajin | "Er... well if you don't break the exchange we won't do anything to you" |
| 22:15.23 | marajin | "If you do break the exchange... we'll just drop your speed fora bit" |
| 22:15.46 | tgreer | its be lol |
| 22:15.48 | marajin | and since I can't single handedly toast the local exchange.. |
| 22:15.48 | tgreer | they dont care |
| 22:15.53 | marajin | tgreer: Nah it's O2 |
| 22:15.58 | tgreer | lol |
| 22:16.01 | tgreer | ah yeh theres that |
| 22:16.08 | marajin | o2 bought be but they kinda trade on their own |
| 22:16.12 | tgreer | lol |
| 22:16.21 | tgreer | illegal for them to merge in the EU afaik |
| 22:16.26 | marajin | yeah |
| 22:16.34 | dcordes | friday is beagleboard day. |
| 22:16.38 | marajin | but anyway I get 20M/2M + static IP for like 15/month |
| 22:16.41 | marajin | and no limits |
| 22:16.49 | marajin | and I can phone techsupport at 3am and chat about linux for an hour |
| 22:16.51 | marajin | they just don't care |
| 22:17.40 | tgreer | i get 30% off O2 :) |
| 22:17.43 | dcordes | with the vodafone support I usually chat about why I understand their way of speaking :x |
| 22:17.44 | ginge | dcordes: you hanging on for a beagleboard? |
| 22:17.49 | dcordes | ginge: yea |
| 22:18.06 | marajin | dcordes: They are indian call center or something? |
| 22:18.08 | ginge | me too :) |
| 22:18.10 | dcordes | they didn't ship to outside of the states |
| 22:18.11 | marajin | vodaphone UK are annoying |
| 22:18.31 | tgreer | marajin: afaik UK Based indian staff |
| 22:18.32 | dcordes | marajin: even worse, far east germany :D |
| 22:18.33 | ginge | dcordes: getting mine through digikey |
| 22:18.43 | dcordes | ginge:did you already place your order? |
| 22:18.45 | tgreer | well be were |
| 22:18.54 | ginge | dcordes: not yet |
| 22:18.56 | marajin | tgreer: Hah, doesn't that just take the biscuit. |
| 22:19.13 | marajin | tgreer: No, it really is a UK call center, but we just imported the same idiots you hated talking to in the first place |
| 22:19.21 | dcordes | ginge: wait for it til friday evening. that's when they beagle dudes say it will be online shoppable first |
| 22:19.25 | tgreer | lol |
| 22:19.25 | dcordes | (for ext. usa) |
| 22:19.38 | marajin | tgreer: Thankfully the O2 people are genuinely fluent speakers. |
| 22:20.12 | marajin | how much is the beagleboard? |
| 22:20.15 | dcordes | ginge: btw, how's the umanoid guy especially his plane? |
| 22:20.30 | dcordes | I've got it with the typing today |
| 22:20.46 | ginge | dcordes: on hold until I unpack |
| 22:20.57 | dcordes | ah right.. |
| 22:21.04 | ginge | marajin: 80 quid |
| 22:21.07 | dcordes | did you do anything to the board yet? |
| 22:21.14 | marajin | ginge: that's... quite cheap |
| 22:21.35 | dcordes | I calculated everything and ended up with 110 euros |
| 22:21.36 | tgreer | ok daft question, but where can i put files on my kaiser for them to be usable in angstrom? |
| 22:21.37 | ginge | marajin: yeah, the power of gumstix for a fraction of the price |
| 22:21.44 | marajin | heh :) |
| 22:22.06 | dcordes | ginge: and you get the dvi and all |
| 22:22.16 | dcordes | I'm not 100% sure what I'm goign to do with it first |
| 22:22.55 | ginge | dcordes: I might make a robot lawnmower with it. I have long grass in this new house |
| 22:23.15 | ali1234 | hahaha |
| 22:23.29 | ali1234 | remember that time i made a strimmer out of an old vacuum cleaner? |
| 22:23.41 | ali1234 | happy days |
| 22:23.42 | ginge | yeah, that was danger |
| 22:23.55 | ginge | I nearly lost a leg to that |
| 22:24.47 | tgreer | can i mount the memory care with angstrom-new.bin? |
| 22:24.50 | tgreer | *card |
| 22:25.22 | dcordes | tgreer: yep |
| 22:25.26 | ginge | tgreer: yeah |
| 22:25.33 | marajin | tgreer: Yeah you can technically even boot from the SD card I think |
| 22:25.47 | dcordes | mount /dev/mmcblk0p? mountpoint |
| 22:26.06 | tgreer | well the files are on the SD |
| 22:26.14 | tgreer | just dunno how to make it autoboot into linux :) |
| 22:27.00 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.43 | tgreer | nana ... i mean make the kaiser autoboot linux |
| 22:27.53 | tgreer | not automount my sd card in linux |
| 22:28.38 | tgreer | pppd: unrecognised option '/dev/smd1/' |
| 22:29.04 | ginge | there should be no trailing slash |
| 22:29.04 | dcordes | let me repack that real quick if you can retry |
| 22:29.16 | dcordes | I wonder how I change the file.. |
| 22:29.34 | ginge | the original is still on my server if you want to compare |
| 22:29.50 | tgreer | :/ |
| 22:30.17 | tgreer | think its workin now, strange |
| 22:30.54 | tgreer | or not |
| 22:30.59 | tgreer | i take that back |
| 22:31.21 | dcordes | ginge: odd I only changed the sleeps to 3 |
| 22:31.42 | tgreer | pppd: unrecognised option '/dev/smd1' << i see a /dev/smd0 |
| 22:31.53 | ginge | you should have smd1 |
| 22:32.00 | ginge | dcordes: check the nodes :) |
| 22:32.05 | tgreer | not seen |
| 22:32.45 | tgreer | s/not seen/non existant/ |
| 22:32.46 | dcordes | tgreer: ls /dev |
| 22:33.13 | tgreer | dcordes: i have, it's not there |
| 22:33.14 | dcordes | no smd? available? |
| 22:33.22 | tgreer | smd0 |
| 22:33.31 | dcordes | only that? |
| 22:33.46 | tgreer | yeh |
| 22:33.51 | dcordes | sucks |
| 22:33.55 | tgreer | *reboots kaiser* |
| 22:34.10 | tgreer | hmm init 6 doesnt work :P |
| 22:34.23 | tgreer | hangs |
| 22:34.40 | dcordes | ginge: that makes no sense why would it make 0 but not the other ones? |
| 22:35.07 | ginge | shrugs |
| 22:35.16 | ginge | dont know init jedi |
| 22:35.17 | tgreer | didnt break it :) |
| 22:36.03 | dcordes | I will simply repack from my latest build. |
| 22:36.13 | tgreer | can u build irssi into it :) |
| 22:36.22 | tgreer | and a working vi? :P |
| 22:36.54 | ginge | tgreer: its not that vi is broken its that there is no escapre key :o |
| 22:37.16 | ginge | tgreer: use nano? |
| 22:37.34 | tgreer | can we bind it to the folder (explorer) key |
| 22:37.41 | tgreer | er didnt know it was installed lol |
| 22:38.08 | ginge | tgreer: not a bad idea. Ask dcordes to see if he can do it |
| 22:38.24 | tgreer | :( |
| 22:38.31 | tgreer | still moaning about /dev/smd1 |
| 22:39.32 | tgreer | also, how do i save changes? ie password changes etc? |
| 22:40.38 | tgreer | back in 5 |
| 22:40.38 | dcordes | tgreer: uploading. |
| 22:40.44 | tgreer | infact i'll wait :P |
| 22:41.19 | dcordes | tgreer: you need to extract the rootfs to sd, let's first see fi that works now |
| 22:41.28 | tgreer | need a destructive tester? u found one :P |
| 22:41.45 | tgreer | uploaded? |
| 22:41.55 | dcordes | it's a bit slow, somebody seems to download parts of non copyright material from my pc |
| 22:42.04 | tgreer | :/ |
| 22:42.08 | dcordes | :D |
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| 22:46.42 | tgreer | back |
| 22:47.22 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/angstrom-new2.bin |
| 22:47.27 | tgreer | ty |
| 22:47.50 | dcordes | no thank you for testing |
| 22:48.33 | dcordes | mickey|tv: ping? |
| 22:48.54 | tgreer | *shrugs* anything to get wince off my sys |
| 22:48.55 | dcordes | mickey|tv: I've got the frpintf tslib.o now. |
| 22:50.02 | tgreer | dcordes just fyi..if u need more space/miror let me know |
| 22:50.07 | tgreer | dedi doin not alot |
| 22:50.26 | dcordes | dedi? |
| 22:50.34 | tgreer | dedicated server |
| 22:50.44 | dcordes | ok I think we're good with linuxtogo for now |
| 22:50.51 | tgreer | ye no worries |
| 22:50.54 | dcordes | d'oh I forgot about the htc-linux.org again |
| 22:51.06 | tgreer | brb bootin linux |
| 22:51.22 | dcordes | I keep pusing it in front of me beacuse I have no clue about html and the like |
| 22:51.42 | marajin | dcordes: I can do html/php/etc. tolerably well |
| 22:51.59 | dcordes | marajin: http://htc |
| 22:52.04 | dcordes | marajin: http://htc-linux.org |
| 22:52.29 | marajin | ah the good old linux philosophy of fugly websites? :D |
| 22:52.32 | ali1234 | just throw drupal on it and be done with it |
| 22:52.56 | dcordes | it currently mirrors the http directory of linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa |
| 22:53.01 | marajin | ali1234: Noooo! It has to be lovingly crafted with blood sweat and tears.. |
| 22:53.17 | dcordes | vi? |
| 22:53.21 | marajin | ali1234: And then rm -rf *'d and have drupal installed ;) |
| 22:54.14 | marajin | dcordes: TBH ali has a point, may as well just whap some CMS on it and put our content and files in |
| 22:54.32 | dcordes | right cms |
| 22:54.46 | dcordes | marajin: we can also put data and make traffic |
| 22:54.53 | dcordes | ellisway: kindly offered that |
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| 22:55.01 | marajin | uh what/ |
| 22:55.08 | tgreer | hmph |
| 22:55.12 | dcordes | I wonder how many traffic the htcpxa and lgorris on linuxtogo cause |
| 22:55.19 | dcordes | tgreer: :( ? |
| 22:55.20 | marajin | how much traffic |
| 22:55.24 | tgreer | hung on clk-set/rate 21:1 |
| 22:55.29 | dcordes | nasty |
| 22:55.32 | tgreer | suring startup |
| 22:55.37 | tgreer | *during |
| 22:55.49 | dcordes | sucks |
| 22:56.10 | dcordes | can you just retry? |
| 22:56.13 | marajin | Put a CMS there and I'll play with it if you want or if someone else alreadyvolunteered go for it |
| 22:56.32 | tgreer | *shrugs* will do tomorow unless u wanna know right now |
| 22:56.40 | tgreer | kinda fallin asleep here :p |
| 22:56.41 | dcordes | it couldn't harm |
| 22:56.45 | tgreer | kk |
| 22:56.47 | tgreer | 2 mins |
| 22:57.08 | tgreer | dcordes whats the file size or the .bin ? |
| 22:57.10 | marajin | tgreer: Caffeine! caffeine, caffeine and caffeine |
| 22:57.13 | tgreer | *of |
| 22:57.25 | marajin | tgreer: And just for the hell of it, nicotine, guarana and taurine |
| 22:57.32 | tgreer | marajin vodka only |
| 22:57.38 | tgreer | cept am drivin tomorrow |
| 22:57.52 | marajin | my doctor told me yesterday I have to inhale alcohol vapour to cure my illness |
| 22:57.53 | dcordes | 12M |
| 22:57.55 | marajin | I was amused |
| 22:58.05 | tgreer | k |
| 22:58.14 | dcordes | md5 is 6781ae47db17633ba573b86da45cbf51 |
| 22:58.32 | dcordes | marajin: drink hot tar |
| 22:58.47 | marajin | dcordes: I do, that's what I call coffee ;) |
| 23:00.11 | marajin | if the spoon ain't dissolving or at least standing up straight inthe cup, the coffee ain't strong enough |
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| 23:02.09 | zsircusr2 | na |
| 23:02.23 | zsircusr2 | dies on clk_get_rate 21C21 |
| 23:02.32 | zsircusr2 | *21:1 |
| 23:02.38 | dcordes | never seen that error before |
| 23:02.50 | tgreer | :/ |
| 23:02.59 | dcordes | you sure use the same zImage as before and only changed the rootfs? |
| 23:03.01 | ginge | water found on mars eh? |
| 23:03.04 | tgreer | yeh |
| 23:03.12 | tgreer | anyways zzz time |
| 23:03.15 | tgreer | cya tomorrow |
| 23:03.17 | marajin | ginge: What's the latest zImage that works btw? |
| 23:03.20 | dcordes | tgreer: can you try putting init=/sbin/init? ok |
| 23:03.27 | ginge | marajin: the one on linuxtogo? |
| 23:03.36 | marajin | goodo, just checking |
| 23:03.39 | ginge | clock 21 is sd iirc |
| 23:03.47 | marajin | ginge: It is yeah |
| 23:04.24 | dcordes | ginge: if it fails initializing sd clock, why would the rootfs make any difference? |
| 23:04.46 | ginge | dcordes: it shouldn't |
| 23:05.54 | dcordes | maybe tgreer has a special bugy prototype msm |
| 23:06.09 | marajin | dcordes: Likely he just has his default.txt messed up |
| 23:06.53 | dcordes | I symlinked /sbin/init.sysvinit to /init |
| 23:07.00 | dcordes | so that should be fine I doubt he changed it |
| 23:07.44 | dcordes | ginge: we should send a kaiser to mars to confirm |
| 23:08.00 | marajin | homebrew mars probe.. |
| 23:08.02 | marajin | heh |
| 23:08.04 | dcordes | it will bitbake the sands hrhrhr |
| 23:08.10 | ginge | dcordes: unless we get linux running perfectly on this soon, I am tempted |
| 23:08.20 | ginge | dcordes: either tht or throw it out of the window |
| 23:08.25 | marajin | ginge: Be nice! can you afford a shiney new diamond? :P |
| 23:08.31 | marajin | or rather, raphael |
| 23:08.42 | ginge | marajin: probably how much was it again? |
| 23:08.50 | marajin | ~500 quid or something |
| 23:09.06 | dcordes | is getting green of envy |
| 23:09.16 | ginge | if I can press the buttons in the phone dialer and not have to wait 5 seconds before its recognised, if iat all, yeah |
| 23:09.28 | marajin | ginge: For gods sake flash your kaiser |
| 23:09.39 | ginge | marajin: it fixes that?> |
| 23:09.42 | marajin | ginge: I can dial a number in a secondor two yeah |
| 23:09.43 | dcordes | not for me! |
| 23:09.52 | dcordes | the duty rom is as lame as the stock one |
| 23:09.56 | marajin | hmm |
| 23:10.02 | marajin | the l26 one is ok for dialing, lemme test. |
| 23:10.14 | ginge | it makes phone banking a right bitch |
| 23:10.40 | ali1234 | for god's sake don't flash crazy hacked roms, you'll only break it, wah wah wah, etc, etc |
| 23:11.47 | marajin | heh :P |
| 23:12.00 | marajin | I'd video it for proof but my hermes won't start the camera app =/ |
| 23:12.19 | dcordes | ali1234: I had this opinnion before I noticed haret bootign works well with the cooked |
| 23:12.21 | marajin | ah a reboot fixedthat |
| 23:12.46 | ali1234 | haret booting works perfectly every single time on the wizard, regardless of what rom you have |
| 23:14.27 | ali1234 | did anyone ever buy a battery etc from shopblue.co.uk? they are 1/4 the price of everyone else. it sounds almost too good to be true... |
| 23:14.34 | ginge | I can boot haret 100% of the time remotely |
| 23:16.19 | ali1234 | is haret any more reliable if you dont use an initrd, or if you use a very small initrd? |
| 23:16.45 | marajin | ginge: http://marajin.w-ww.org/dialing.mp4 <-- Fast enough? :P |
| 23:16.46 | ginge | ali1234: the larger initrds tend to boot more relaibly for me |
| 23:16.57 | ginge | marajin: how big is that video? |
| 23:17.02 | marajin | ~450 kb |
| 23:17.17 | ginge | counting mbs at the momeny |
| 23:17.26 | marajin | ginge: Ah right yeah forgot |
| 23:17.39 | dcordes | ~lart mplayer plugin |
| 23:17.39 | apt | drops a baby grand on mplayer plugin |
| 23:18.01 | ginge | ~lart stupid codecs |
| 23:18.01 | apt | executes killall -TERM stupid codecs |
| 23:18.15 | marajin | ginge: Still point is I dial a mobile number in about 6 seconds total heh but it's pretty rapid response to my touches and it's awkard dialing and holding a hermes in the ther hand |
| 23:18.34 | ginge | not got that codec |
| 23:18.47 | ali1234 | vlc |
| 23:18.51 | ginge | i'll take your word for it |
| 23:18.54 | marajin | erm it's whatever the hermes defaults to |
| 23:18.57 | ginge | not working in vlc |
| 23:19.11 | marajin | plays for me |
| 23:19.32 | dcordes | ginge: mplayer |
| 23:19.40 | ginge | main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `samr' |
| 23:19.52 | ginge | mplayer not installed :/ |
| 23:19.56 | marajin | ginge: VLC plays it for me |
| 23:20.52 | dcordes | ginge: oouu it's orderable now :D |
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| 23:21.03 | ginge | dcordes: :) |
| 23:21.49 | ginge | dcordes: where you ordering from |
| 23:21.55 | dcordes | germany |
| 23:22.07 | ginge | which website? |
| 23:22.10 | marajin | dcordes: So you got it to play and see that kaiser can dial fast from touchscreen? :P |
| 23:22.50 | dcordes | ginge: digikey |
| 23:22.51 | ginge | digikey/ |
| 23:22.55 | ginge | ok |
| 23:23.03 | dcordes | only reseller I knpw |
| 23:23.09 | dcordes | -_- |
| 23:23.24 | dcordes | I rad in the ML there is one in India |
| 23:24.24 | dcordes | btw it is 82 GBP |
| 23:24.32 | dcordes | http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=296-23428-ND |
| 23:24.53 | ginge | dcordes: yeah ordering it now |
| 23:25.06 | dcordes | ginge: do you get any extras? |
| 23:25.23 | dcordes | I think I will only order the board itself. |
| 23:25.24 | ginge | dcordes: just the board. you have to order everything sep |
| 23:26.22 | dcordes | 149.00 USD = 75.2031494 GBP |
| 23:26.35 | dcordes | so that's why they don't charge for shipping |
| 23:27.00 | dcordes | they use a mean exchange rate instead :) |
| 23:27.25 | marajin | dcordes: that's wossname, customs tax |
| 23:27.55 | marajin | hmm nice |
| 23:29.26 | dcordes | I thought I'd have to pay taxes when I get it, not when they send it? |
| 23:29.38 | dcordes | at least that's how it went last time I bought something from the united states |
| 23:29.49 | marajin | transcodes to a h264 file.. 185kb :P |
| 23:29.50 | marajin | wait, 166 kb |
| 23:29.50 | marajin | nah |
| 23:29.50 | marajin | companies can prepay 'em |
| 23:29.50 | marajin | ooh, lag spike |
| 23:31.31 | ginge | got two on order :) |
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| 23:36.40 | marajin_ | woo |
| 23:36.54 | dcordes | phew digikey is not too user friendly |
| 23:37.06 | ginge | dcordes: yeah it sucks |
| 23:37.57 | dcordes | how'd you pay? |
| 23:38.10 | ginge | blod sweat and tears |
| 23:38.16 | ginge | also known as visa |
| 23:40.01 | dcordes | now they wanna know what I'll do with it |
| 23:40.15 | ginge | customs declaration |
| 23:40.25 | ginge | just put personal project/use |
| 23:40.35 | dcordes | military and aerospace of course. |
| 23:41.06 | dcordes | it will control the kaiser mars lander |
| 23:43.05 | dcordes | I'm involved in open source software development and testing on mobile devices as a hobby. I am ordering this product in order to extent those kinds of activities. |
| 23:43.18 | dcordes | extend |
| 23:43.38 | ginge | riiight. I just put personal project |
| 23:43.41 | marajin_ | ginge: When'd you say those manchester linux wossnames where? |
| 23:43.55 | ginge | marajin_: let me look |
| 23:44.46 | marajin_ | ginge: I'm slowly thinking about risking it and formulating a plan to hide if RMS arrives ;) |
| 23:45.02 | ginge | lol |
| 23:45.11 | ginge | 7 8 9 nov |
| 23:45.17 | dcordes | ginge: they wanna know what I do with it, now problem. |
| 23:45.29 | marajin_ | dcordes: Nuclear missile control module |
| 23:45.57 | ginge | marajin_: I actuaslly put soemthing crazy like that on one digikey order.... I wasnt surprised when they called me |
| 23:46.37 | marajin_ | :p |
| 23:46.44 | dcordes | ginge: what di you put? |
| 23:46.53 | marajin_ | The government called me once when I said I had 97 pence in savings on some benefit form |
| 23:47.01 | marajin_ | they phoned me to see why I had 97 pence |
| 23:47.10 | marajin_ | It was just the spare change on my desk |
| 23:47.20 | ginge | it cost them more than that to call you |
| 23:47.27 | dcordes | the government never called me as of now |
| 23:47.48 | ginge | dcordes: "mission critical gihhtly unstable fusion reactor control board" |
| 23:47.54 | ginge | or similar |
| 23:48.12 | dcordes | haha |
| 23:48.55 | marajin_ | ginge: "Reactor control board for rebuilding chernobyl" |
| 23:50.00 | NAiL | Amateur nuclear reactor demo? |
| 23:50.14 | marajin_ | NAiL: some kid did that in his shed once |
| 23:50.24 | marajin_ | built a working nuclear reactor IIRC |
| 23:50.29 | ginge | yeah, I rememebr seeing that one |
| 23:50.29 | NAiL | marajin_: I seem to recall something about that |
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| 23:50.40 | NAiL | Probably on slashdot :P |
| 23:50.47 | ginge | NAiL: just some robotics stuff. I was having a laugh and it backfired |
| 23:50.59 | marajin_ | poor bastard irridated himself too much and was refused entry to the navy because being near the reactors there would push him over the limit |
| 23:51.00 | NAiL | hehe |
| 23:51.12 | samuelbarthelemy | ginge: any updates? |
| 23:51.19 | ginge | marajin_: I didnt hear that part |
| 23:51.39 | ginge | samuelbarthelemy: I'm really tired, my tea is cold and my new fridge sounds like a tractor |
| 23:51.49 | ginge | samuelbarthelemy: ;) |
| 23:52.03 | ginge | samuelbarthelemy: otherwise nothing really. been busy. sorry |
| 23:52.43 | marajin_ | ginge: Yeah, he wanted to be a nuclear tech in the armed forces and they refused it on those grounds, ruined his life plan |
| 23:52.58 | ginge | marajin_: fools |
| 23:53.12 | marajin_ | Not really, it might have killed him |
| 23:53.20 | marajin_ | radiation can build up and all |
| 23:53.23 | samuelbarthelemy | ginge: no need to apologise i was just asking |
| 23:53.24 | dcordes | a guy at a german airport is asked what the metal poles in his luggage (umbrellas) are and he replies "it's my kalashnikov of course" now he's convicted of pretending to commit a crime and wasn't allowed to hop on the plane |
| 23:53.48 | ginge | dcordes: thats the most foolish thing I ever heard |
| 23:53.50 | marajin_ | Yeah, never joke with airport staff, they have no sense of humour |
| 23:54.09 | ginge | some girls tried to open the door to a plane the other day. |
| 23:54.18 | marajin_ | yeah |
| 23:54.28 | marajin_ | ginge: Though the point is they tried to open it in midair |
| 23:54.32 | ginge | in flight. it wont open, but still idoits. |
| 23:54.44 | dcordes | because of the pressure in the cabin? |
| 23:54.47 | marajin_ | It will but you have to pull the emergency wossname |
| 23:54.53 | ginge | dcordes: because of a lock |
| 23:55.16 | dcordes | ha that wossname spacer word is funny |
| 23:55.22 | NAiL | Because of a lock, and the fact that you have to pull the door inwards to slide it open. |
| 23:55.24 | ginge | they should have been thrown out on the grounds they deserve it |
| 23:55.38 | NAiL | which is kinda hard when you take the pressure into account ;) |
| 23:56.11 | marajin_ | dcordes: wossname = What's the name |
| 23:56.24 | samuelbarthelemy | huh? |
| 23:56.35 | ginge | it also referrs to objects |
| 23:56.37 | samuelbarthelemy | . |
| 23:56.39 | ginge | pass me the wossname |
| 23:57.06 | marajin_ | it refers to anything |
| 23:57.11 | marajin_ | as does thingummy |
| 23:57.11 | ginge | yeah |
| 23:57.21 | ginge | wossit |
| 23:57.23 | dcordes | I walked over the wossname and into the park. |
| 23:57.25 | ginge | doodad |
| 23:57.42 | marajin_ | if it was a perso you'd probably say wossisname or wossername (his and her) |
| 23:57.57 | marajin_ | but sometimes that's also just wossname |
| 23:58.15 | wasup | :D |
| 23:59.15 | dcordes | A worzel is slang for a resident of Southampton, a small farming community on the south coast of England. the residents have a strange dialect which sets them apart from other nearby communities. |
| 23:59.26 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
