| 00:00.06 | ginge | whats the best way to bench it? |
| 00:00.27 | dcordes | how do you measure the time a process takes? |
| 00:00.35 | dcordes | gentoo people to that |
| 00:01.01 | dcordes | I'm in the non 4bit image now so we can easily compare |
| 00:12.06 | Marajin | hmm |
| 00:12.11 | Marajin | just time a large file transfer |
| 00:25.28 | dcordes | ginge: got the 4bit speed? |
| 00:25.40 | ginge | no, how? |
| 00:26.00 | Marajin | don't have hdparm or anything do we? |
| 00:26.02 | dcordes | with the method Marajin suggested e.g. |
| 00:26.24 | Marajin | could read/write files of a fixed length and guage the speed tho' |
| 00:26.37 | dcordes | doesn't rsync show speed? |
| 00:26.56 | Marajin | um yes but I'm not sure how relevant it would be for actual disk access |
| 00:27.47 | dcordes | if you copy a 5M file and see average speed I think it's relevant |
| 00:28.10 | Marajin | you'd definitely see a 400% change heh |
| 00:38.20 | dcordes | no clue was just an idea |
| 00:38.45 | ginge | night |
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| 00:44.41 | dcordes | night ginge |
| 00:44.54 | Marajin | ginge: g'night and sleep well. |
| 00:45.15 | Marajin | ginge: We're expecting some amazing coding on the morrow :P Working on the TS aren't ya? |
| 00:53.14 | dcordes | me will merge polaris tomorrow |
| 00:56.29 | dcordes | then I'm going to start looking at merging up with google |
| 00:58.28 | Marajin | sounds fun |
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| 06:49.09 | Rroet | moin |
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| 06:59.21 | kiozen | hehe don't fall off the bed... |
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| 08:45.45 | BabelO_ | ola kiozen |
| 08:45.58 | kiozen | ola! |
| 08:47.55 | kiozen | BabelO_: tracks are tought on a mobile device |
| 08:58.11 | BabelO_ | kiozen: what do you mean by tought ? |
| 08:58.29 | BabelO_ | kiozen: better is to use tmpfs before moving track to sd itself :) |
| 08:58.47 | BabelO_ | with an auto backupt every minutes |
| 08:59.11 | kiozen | BabelO_: bigger problem is to draw that think fast enought |
| 08:59.49 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i think tmpfs is good to store or read data |
| 08:59.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: 1 minute track loss cause of a crash is not acceptable |
| 09:00.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: it's more projecting the data and to move / scale /draw |
| 09:00.59 | BabelO_ | ok |
| 09:01.25 | kiozen | BabelO_: would be nicer to have a fast flash mem |
| 09:02.36 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you can to it with a daemon :) or a thread . you write all data to tmpfs, so it is fast, and another thread save them to sd with delay due to sd write time |
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| 09:04.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: I wonder if appending a file on SD every few sec. is much work and powerconsuption |
| 09:05.38 | BabelO_ | kiozen: powerconsuption, sure, because it depend of sd driver and also some device have it on a separate chipset |
| 09:06.00 | BabelO_ | so separate chipset is always powered, and sd too |
| 09:06.40 | BabelO_ | on artemis sd controller is in omap850 :), so i just gain sd power anyway |
| 09:07.17 | kiozen | BabelO_: well SD is busy anyway each time the map moves or the user uses zoom |
| 09:08.59 | BabelO_ | kiozen: for zoom ok, but for move, can't it be possible to store in RAM a little more map ? because by walk.. we should not move the map so fast |
| 09:09.09 | cr2 | kiozen: check the n560 cpld wiki |
| 09:09.16 | cr2 | hi BabelO_ |
| 09:09.26 | BabelO_ | hi cr2 |
| 09:09.57 | kiozen | BabelO_: that is why the cursor has to move close to the screen border befor the map will move |
| 09:10.10 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok :) |
| 09:11.48 | kiozen | cr2: good late night job :) |
| 09:12.52 | kiozen | cr2: don't think GPIOA1 is right |
| 09:13.13 | kiozen | with bt off GPIOA1 is 0x06 |
| 09:13.47 | kiozen | cr2: think you first guess for serial port made more sense |
| 09:14.24 | cr2 | hmm. i'll recheck today. |
| 09:14.53 | cr2 | kiozen: the B and C have some funny bit combinations for the first 3 bits |
| 09:15.10 | cr2 | kiozen: and the (led?) bits are linked to each other. |
| 09:15.30 | cr2 | kiozen: i think B and C are for the right and left led(s) |
| 09:16.05 | kiozen | cr2: yes I tried to find a pattern in C yesterday, but couldn't find one |
| 09:16.25 | kiozen | cr2: linked bit's might explain that |
| 09:16.31 | cr2 | kiozen: i can enumerate the patterns. |
| 09:17.09 | kiozen | cr2: ok, that would help a bit, then I could try to probe a result table |
| 09:17.09 | cr2 | kiozen: they are inside the wince kernel and are controlled by a kioctl(), so it#s not that easy to trace or attribute them. |
| 09:17.32 | cr2 | yes, we can implement 'virtual' leds for these combinations. |
| 09:17.46 | kiozen | cr2: it can't be simple if a bit makes the LED blink |
| 09:17.58 | cr2 | kiozen: and there are cpld bit patterns for the ssp battery requests. |
| 09:18.06 | kiozen | cr2: additionally the led can blink in two colors at once |
| 09:18.20 | cr2 | kiozen: these are 2 separate leds. |
| 09:18.42 | cr2 | right green + right red |
| 09:18.51 | cr2 | and left green + left blue |
| 09:19.07 | cr2 | green+red=amber |
| 09:19.16 | kiozen | cr2: possible, but they are in sync when blinking |
| 09:19.17 | cr2 | it's the same on other htc devices. |
| 09:19.36 | cr2 | i doubt that you can control the pwm |
| 09:19.40 | cr2 | on n560 |
| 09:19.51 | cr2 | it#s the same for bt/wifi led on hx4700 |
| 09:20.37 | kiozen | think pwm is fixed, but blue and green won't blink at the same time |
| 09:20.48 | kiozen | and their patter in 100% sync |
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| 09:29.27 | cr2 | ok. |
| 09:41.28 | cr2 | kiozen: ?? |
| 09:41.31 | cr2 | kiozen: hxxp://cgi.ebay.com/Garmin-City-Navigator-Europe-NT-2009-v11-SD-MicroSD_W0QQitemZ220255840530QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item220255840530 |
| 09:42.36 | kiozen | cr2: yes, what is the problem? |
| 09:43.48 | kiozen | ah 2009 :) |
| 09:44.31 | kiozen | hope they do not build new streets until 2009 |
| 09:45.01 | cr2 | :) |
| 09:45.19 | kiozen | it's a bit like cristmas cookies, they get into the stores earlier each year |
| 09:45.47 | cr2 | yes. garmin looks really desperate. |
| 09:47.00 | kiozen | cr2: yes, yes, garmin just wants to help you to be up-to-date right in time |
| 09:49.14 | kiozen | cr2: btw do you know what garmin does when you exceed track point limit while recording a track? |
| 09:50.20 | cr2 | it disappears. |
| 09:51.01 | kiozen | cr2: thus they start a new track from scratch? |
| 09:51.39 | cr2 | usually i save and delete the old track. |
| 09:52.04 | cr2 | and if you change the 10000 value, prepare for a trouble |
| 09:52.16 | cr2 | i've lost 3 days of .gpx this way ;) |
| 09:53.00 | kiozen | cr2: oh, they even removed the gpx on the SD? |
| 09:53.14 | kiozen | cr2: or don't you record on SD? |
| 09:53.15 | Rroet | Garmin is desperate.. TomTom is beating them pants down. |
| 09:53.29 | BabelO_ | kiozen: don't ask to much , else you are going to do same coding style :) |
| 09:53.40 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol |
| 09:54.14 | BabelO_ | Rroet: is the Tomtom linux version out ? i mean for iPhone or orthers ? |
| 09:54.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: think coding style is pretty determined by the hw limits here |
| 09:56.52 | Rroet | BabelO_: sssshhh.. |
| 09:57.04 | kiozen | BabelO_: btw, do you have a nice Kalman filter implementation lying around? |
| 09:57.23 | Rroet | More or less talking about the technological difference rahter then the actually supported operating systems. |
| 09:58.22 | kiozen | BabelO_: I mean high efficient ready made C code :)) |
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| 10:01.14 | BabelO_ | kiozen: no , i ve only the book, and agree for efficient implementation |
| 10:02.18 | kiozen | well, think I have to do everything the hard way ... :) |
| 10:02.23 | BabelO_ | kiozen: what do you want to do on your device ? :) |
| 10:02.55 | kiozen | you need a Kalman filter to reduce the noise in a track |
| 10:03.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: that is what i think you want to do... but there is another easy way no ? |
| 10:03.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: afaik - no |
| 10:04.12 | kiozen | the kalman filter IS the easy way |
| 10:04.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: roh, never think to that :( |
| 10:04.37 | okias | dcordes: Hi, what is status Kaiser SD card support? and news? |
| 10:05.06 | kiozen | BabelO_: me either, befor starting to program GPS devices :P |
| 10:05.25 | cr2 | kiozen: should be here http://autopilot.sourceforge.net |
| 10:06.17 | kiozen | cr2: promissing... |
| 10:06.31 | kiozen | dcordes: that is something for you too :) |
| 10:08.23 | kiozen | ok lunchtime ... |
| 10:10.30 | ginge_ | okias: SD works |
| 10:11.01 | okias | ginge_: cool, but i can't still see change in git... |
| 10:11.13 | ginge_ | not checked in yet |
| 10:12.14 | ginge_ | okias: we only just got the SD merged into something working last thing last night. |
| 10:12.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: big one http://academic.csuohio.edu/simond/ |
| 10:12.37 | okias | ginge_: now remaining only Wifi and videocamera :-) |
| 10:13.33 | ginge_ | okias: and LED's and touchscreen and audio and powersave and.... the list goes on :) |
| 10:14.31 | okias | ginge_: LED's are little feature, ts half working, audio for calls working too... and powersave have highpriority... :-D |
| 10:15.28 | ginge_ | okias: I have the touchscreen working almost properly (will release patch soon). I have some code to initialise the audio, but it won't play a sound yet, and USB/bluetooth are nearly there |
| 10:16.52 | okias | ginge_: and anything about wifi? |
| 10:18.14 | ginge_ | okias: I got the wifi chip half detected but we need the wifi driver for it now |
| 10:18.28 | okias | ginge_: hehe, acx100 :-D |
| 10:18.55 | ginge_ | okias: yeah, I couldn't see an up to date kernel version of that so we might have to port it outselves :( |
| 10:24.17 | cr2 | kiozen: http://sourceforge.net/projects/microgear/ |
| 10:24.28 | cr2 | kiozen: should have kalman filter too. |
| 10:33.47 | ginge_ | kiozen: http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/kalman/index.html#Anchor-23522 the only kalman resource I use :) |
| 10:46.10 | Marajin | hmm |
| 10:46.19 | Marajin | so who's ready for me to crash perses again? :D |
| 10:50.22 | ginge_ | Marajin: morning |
| 10:51.35 | Marajin | ginge_: heh, you managed that in the last minute before it became lunchtime ;) |
| 10:51.57 | Marajin | Or maybe not, perses clock iswrong, but hey :P |
| 10:52.10 | ginge_ | Marajin: still a few miutes yet. you need to fix your ntp :) |
| 10:52.22 | Marajin | ginge_: perses isn't on ntp! :( |
| 10:53.41 | ginge_ | right, touchscreen penirq detection working now. Damn tsc2003 is a pita |
| 10:53.59 | Marajin | heh :p |
| 11:03.10 | Marajin | ginge_: ntp now fixed ;) |
| 11:03.23 | Marajin | ginge_: Now it's time to play crash the server with another new HDD! |
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| 11:08.54 | Rroet | Marajin: one way to be sure that you'll trash it is by using a hammer |
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| 11:16.15 | Marajin | Rroet: Hah :) nah it worked instantly this time |
| 11:16.28 | Marajin | Rroet: Amusingly the rescan said there were no new devices despite detecting the new drive |
| 11:16.59 | Marajin | Now I'm just left with the problem of the ATA drive that the system refuses to boot with now. I'm gonna have to shut down for this one I fear. |
| 11:17.25 | Marajin | catcha on the flipside, I hope |
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| 11:46.51 | marajin | hmm |
| 11:51.35 | Rroet | Mara, you're alive again :) |
| 11:52.25 | cr2 | ginge_: "Got an HP 48G graphing calculator?" |
| 11:53.55 | ginge_ | cr2: I have a 48GX at home but the batteries are flat.??? |
| 11:55.18 | marajin | Rroet: Yes but the ATA drive is messed up |
| 11:55.32 | marajin | anyone any idea why a HDD would short 3 of the 4 power pins? O.o |
| 11:56.27 | ginge_ | cr2: I'm curious now... why ;) |
| 11:59.06 | zoolooc | hi folks |
| 11:59.33 | zoolooc | ginge_: just scrolled back and read you got SD working, great work, dude! |
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| 12:08.55 | eBug | does anyone know in what place the kernel is told what module to load when a specific usb device is plugged ? |
| 12:13.38 | ginge_ | cr2: I see now. nevermind |
| 12:13.54 | ginge_ | zoolooc: yeah, no SDHC yet |
| 12:16.28 | ginge_ | zoolooc: now we just need a good SD image to boot from. I am hoping dcordes will be able to sort us out with a good image :) |
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| 12:16.38 | ginge_ | hi premy |
| 12:16.39 | premy | Hi. |
| 12:16.56 | premy | Ginge: finalized your patch ? |
| 12:17.29 | ginge_ | premy: of a sort. I didn't have time to create a clean diff, so dcordes manually merged it in to the upcoming git tree |
| 12:18.52 | dcordes | hi |
| 12:18.57 | premy | ginge_: I'm currently finalizing my polaris patch. I've not been able to work on SDHC, yet. |
| 12:18.58 | Rroet | hi |
| 12:19.27 | dcordes | kiozen: that autopilot website seams rather outdated. look around at paparazzi |
| 12:19.32 | ginge_ | premy: I started looking at the SDHC issue, but nothing of use yet |
| 12:20.04 | kiozen | dcordes: as long as it has a nice and efficient implementation of a Kalmanfilter it's ok for me :) |
| 12:20.28 | premy | dcordes: is the android image in your bootkit clean (I mean supporting CDMA+GPRS, calls+GPRS+sms) ? |
| 12:22.05 | ginge_ | kiozen: check this out. its designed for an AVR, but is an exceptionally clean implementation |
| 12:22.10 | ginge_ | kiozen: http://home.comcast.net/~michael.p.thompson/kalman/kalman_test.c |
| 12:22.42 | dcordes | premy: to a certain extent. as for my device I can only confirm call works |
| 12:24.14 | ginge_ | kiozen: http://home.comcast.net/~michael.p.thompson/kalman/kalman_test2.c is optimised |
| 12:25.06 | dcordes | premy: ginge_ knows probably more about the android images. also matsuu keeps a nice one |
| 12:25.14 | kiozen | ginge_: oh, that is nice. that is pretty much what I am looking for, thanks! |
| 12:25.57 | dcordes | kiozen: are you going to put kalman into qlandkarte to get more clean tracks? |
| 12:26.25 | ginge_ | kiozen: I know it works too... it runs my bipedal robot balance algos |
| 12:26.50 | premy | dcordes: wouldn't it be better to have one reference image in one place ? |
| 12:27.12 | premy | dcordes: or maybe two of them, one for CDMA (possibly dzo's) and one for GSM ? |
| 12:30.38 | dcordes | premy: I can also put the dzo image on kaiser bootkit |
| 12:30.55 | dcordes | ginge_: does sms work for you in any android image? |
| 12:31.48 | ginge_ | dcordes: it works in my own image, but calls don't |
| 12:32.29 | ginge_ | I can use either one or the other depending on whose image I use |
| 12:32.37 | dcordes | that's the image with the original google ril? |
| 12:33.05 | ginge_ | yes. dzo's unmodified ril allows me calls but no sms |
| 12:34.54 | marajin | which version of the android stuff did we snaffle our image from? |
| 12:35.44 | ginge_ | latest sdk |
| 12:35.56 | marajin | m5? |
| 12:36.04 | ginge_ | yeah |
| 12:36.59 | marajin | ah well |
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| 12:51.15 | premy | dcordes: just sent you my polaris patch in a mail. |
| 12:52.10 | dcordes | premy: thanks |
| 12:59.55 | ginge_ | premy: is it much different from my patch. i.e is it kaiser compatible and should we roll with yours? |
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| 13:01.55 | eBug_ | dcordes do you know if rndis-host work with sedna ? |
| 13:02.08 | premy | ginge_: my patch does not include any SD stuff. It's only the complementary polaris-specific code. |
| 13:02.26 | ginge_ | premy: I see. ok. |
| 13:03.01 | dcordes | eBug_: you mean in linux? usb does not work yet. in windows: no clue. did you try booting kaiser bootkit? |
| 13:03.08 | dcordes | (the link cr2 referred you to) |
| 13:03.40 | eBug_ | dcordes i got the image but no clue about how to install it |
| 13:03.55 | eBug_ | there's no doc i could find |
| 13:04.19 | eBug_ | was the haret log i posted usefull to you ? |
| 13:06.21 | dcordes | eBug_: there is a doc in the same folder |
| 13:06.28 | eBug_ | ok, reading http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/README.txt now |
| 13:06.58 | cr2 | eBug_: if you'll try to boot linux, the haretlog.txt will be more extensive |
| 13:07.40 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ get zImage.bin angstrom.bin default.txt haret.exe, edfit default.txt to set initrd = angstrom.bin, run haret.exe, tap run |
| 13:07.52 | eBug_ | dcordes didn't realize you were lukas |
| 13:08.24 | dcordes | you can also try with android.bin shouldn't make any difference |
| 13:08.52 | eBug_ | dcordes are you interested in any feedback ? |
| 13:09.30 | dcordes | of course |
| 13:09.47 | eBug_ | nice. can i boot from sd card ? |
| 13:10.12 | dcordes | later. please try to boot from ram first |
| 13:10.37 | dcordes | I hope it will boot at all |
| 13:11.01 | eBug_ | no risk of losing data ? |
| 13:11.13 | dcordes | no risk |
| 13:11.14 | premy | dcordes: sorry, just sent you a new version of my patches. disregard the previous one. |
| 13:11.37 | dcordes | eBug_: you would be the first one to lose any data booting linux |
| 13:11.42 | dcordes | on htc |
| 13:11.54 | dcordes | premy: ok |
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| 13:17.41 | eBug_ | dcordes i'll try later on. I can't download 50MB+ over my 56k line that easyly |
| 13:17.48 | eBug_ | i'll come back to you later |
| 13:18.07 | premy | ginge: you said that you're now getting the ts irqs ? |
| 13:19.34 | ginge_ | premy: sort of. I am getting the tsc2003 penirq interrupt line, but it doesnt generate an interrupt in the msm as it is hooked up to the cpld |
| 13:20.13 | ginge_ | premy: its being polled by the keyboard code at the moment |
| 13:22.20 | premy | ginge: are you currently looking at this, or wifi, or SDHC, or BT ? |
| 13:23.05 | premy | ginge: or a clean GPRS enabled android image ? |
| 13:23.47 | premy | By the way do you still experience the GPRS lockups qith the new irq code ? |
| 13:25.29 | ginge_ | premy: I prefer kernel level work. I don't really want to be messing with android, unless I absolutely have to. I have some priorities in this order: touchscreen (easy) SDHC (dont have a card yet) Bluetooth, audio |
| 13:25.46 | ginge_ | premy: no lockups at all now, except for android which is just unstabl |
| 13:26.31 | eBug_ | see you later |
| 13:27.53 | ginge_ | premy: I can't even admit to wanting to use android at this moment in time, it just happens to work (kinda) |
| 13:28.00 | premy | ginge: by the way, my patch does include a back port of dzo's on screen keyboard. To enable it for kaiser, there might a small amount of work, changing #ifdefs, etc... |
| 13:28.30 | ginge_ | premy: I have it already ported to the kaiser touchscreen driver, which has to work in a different way because we don't have an irq |
| 13:28.45 | ginge_ | premy: but thanks :) |
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| 13:30.00 | premy | ginge_: ok, but then we'll have to make sure the two ports are compatible. Someone will have to do the merge. |
| 13:30.20 | ginge_ | premy: no one seems particularly intertsted in merging the onscreen keyboard for kaiser, so it may end up ifdef'd out anyway |
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| 13:37.55 | premy | ginge: by the way is your sdcc code based on 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 ? |
| 13:40.04 | exco | is anybody still working on an OpenMoko image for any qvga HTC device? |
| 13:42.54 | ginge_ | premy: .24 still |
| 13:43.04 | ginge_ | premy: are you .25 yet? |
| 13:44.43 | premy | ginge_: no, I was wondering whether it would be worth trying. what do you think ? |
| 13:45.34 | ginge_ | possibly. dzo mentioned the sd code is very different in .25 but the rest is very similar |
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| 13:54.07 | ginge_ | premy: are you going to go back to the proc_comm at any point? |
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| 13:57.37 | premy | ginge: my patch includes my proc_comm stuff. It seems to work for me. I've limited it to vibrating, for the moment, because I had the impression that some of the existing code relied on msm_proc_comm returning -1 rather than trying to actually do something. |
| 13:59.46 | ginge_ | premy: I am using your proc_comm code at the moment, I was wondering if you were going to add support for any of the other proc_comm related functions |
| 14:01.00 | premy | ginge: shouldn't be too complicated. It mostly a matter of tracing the command and parameter values. Which function would you be interested in ? |
| 14:01.42 | dcordes | exco: not yet but I am interested in it |
| 14:02.30 | exco | for what device? |
| 14:03.09 | marajin | exco: We're hoping to do one for the Kaiser eventually |
| 14:03.44 | ginge_ | premy: nothing in particular. I was just thinking about compiling a list of outstanding stuff to do |
| 14:03.49 | dcordes | yep kaiser. but once it works for kaiser it will also work for the other msm qvgas |
| 14:04.20 | dcordes | but my problem about openmoko is, I am not sure which UI to use. And connected with that choice is what modem api |
| 14:04.40 | dcordes | in the 'old' openmoko-gtk ui, gsmd is used. but that is being obsoleted by new software now in the newer uis |
| 14:04.56 | dcordes | so I'm not sure if the gtk images are the righ way to go |
| 14:05.26 | exco | agreed |
| 14:05.58 | dcordes | exco: have you been looking at the youngest developments. e.g. opemnoko-asu? |
| 14:06.26 | exco | no |
| 14:07.47 | dcordes | it's pretty much qtopia - with some gtk apps I think |
| 14:08.33 | dcordes | exco: this has some videos of openmoko-asu http://youtube.com/user/freeyourphone |
| 14:08.46 | dcordes | but it's the moko with vga |
| 14:09.00 | exco | do you know a site that lines out the differences dis-/advantages of qtopia/gtk |
| 14:10.23 | exco | that looks similar to what I'm running on Magician atm |
| 14:13.55 | marajin | I definitely don't think we should go with the gtkiomage |
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| 14:14.57 | marajin | asu looks interesting though |
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| 14:15.26 | exco | well anyways what I wanted to know is if so knows how to apply imagemagic (goal is to fix matchbox for qvga) |
| 14:15.48 | dcordes | do you have problems with it in OE? |
| 14:16.06 | exco | yes |
| 14:16.09 | dcordes | (I had the same problem with the icons when I poked atround with qvga) |
| 14:16.14 | dcordes | which package does fail? |
| 14:17.39 | exco | none fails but my matchbox-panel is messed up so I thought I didn't do everything righht |
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| 14:19.19 | dcordes | exco: define messed up |
| 14:20.01 | exco | well omitted some option |
| 14:27.11 | exco | qvga http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/197 still not solved (17 months) |
| 14:29.27 | dcordes | are you stefan? I also have a bug on qvga bugs |
| 14:29.45 | exco | me? Christian |
| 14:30.46 | dcordes | http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1283 I guess this is fixed by now |
| 14:30.54 | exco | when you're talking about ASU is that the the same as FSO? |
| 14:31.56 | dcordes | no. fso is based on the python/e17 stuff, same as 'zhone' |
| 14:32.06 | dcordes | it's an entirely new approach |
| 14:32.47 | exco | " I figured out the |
| 14:32.47 | exco | grey popping boxes on bottom are gsm messages from libnotify." ... I have those as well |
| 14:33.17 | dcordes | maybe put a comment then |
| 14:33.58 | exco | the image is from May so I'll try again |
| 14:34.11 | fabrantes_ | hey guys, could you point me a link to the current status of Android support on specific HTC (or other) models |
| 14:34.44 | fabrantes_ | I could only find this one http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pqSdoLqQGrwcIcYuHOygDbA |
| 14:35.07 | exco | but I think the matchbox problem still persists, that's why I'm asking about "image magic" |
| 14:35.19 | ginge_ | fabrantes_: don't think there is a compiled list as yet Its all still under heavy delevopment |
| 14:36.51 | fabrantes_ | oh, thanks ginge_ |
| 14:37.05 | dcordes | exco: no clue on that one. |
| 14:37.09 | ginge_ | fabrantes_: what device do you have, I can give you a rough idea |
| 14:37.36 | fabrantes_ | ginge_: I was actually thinking which should I get |
| 14:37.45 | fabrantes_ | as I dont have one yet |
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| 14:38.02 | ginge_ | can't really help you there. Not sure which is most complete. |
| 14:38.16 | ginge_ | and fits your requirements, obviously :) |
| 14:38.42 | exco | get the diamond, fabrantes_ |
| 14:39.06 | dcordes | exco: I only recall imagemagick was a probem for me, when the moko qvga icont set didn't build for me in OE. (imagemagick was used to resize the vga icons to work with the qvga theming, but that's irelevant since there are qvga icons now prebuilt) |
| 14:39.07 | fabrantes_ | as far as I could learn, only the vogue, polaris and kaiser are actually supported now |
| 14:39.41 | fabrantes_ | and the kaiser at least lacks still wifi, bt, camera, sd, etc |
| 14:40.01 | dcordes | fabrantes_: not lacking sd anymore |
| 14:40.10 | dcordes | but get yourself a vga device ;) |
| 14:40.38 | fabrantes_ | do you know how far ahead vogue and polaris are? |
| 14:41.13 | dcordes | polaris is pretty much kaiser w/o keyboard. |
| 14:41.35 | exco | dcordes: but did matchbox-panel work for you? |
| 14:41.56 | dcordes | exco: hmm good question. http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/1283/Screenshot-4.png |
| 14:42.03 | dcordes | doesn't look like it |
| 14:42.33 | dcordes | exco: I still don't understand what exactly is not working for you about the panel. |
| 14:43.43 | exco | mine looks like thishttp://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1ah1.png |
| 14:44.09 | exco | the top taskbar isn't working |
| 14:44.23 | dcordes | the theme (window decorations) is not initialized correctly |
| 14:45.21 | exco | well... yes/no |
| 14:45.21 | dcordes | exco: did you in that state, like on the screenshot, ssh in and run DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-panel-2 --with-parameters? |
| 14:45.31 | exco | yes |
| 14:45.37 | dcordes | what happens? |
| 14:46.15 | exco | first of all matchbox-panel-2 is already started (the black line) |
| 14:46.53 | exco | so when I kill it the device looks the same without the black line |
| 14:47.05 | dcordes | can you do a killall openmoko-today2 && DISPLAY=:0 matchbox-panel-2? it looks like the panel is drawn in the background |
| 14:48.18 | exco | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.34 | dcordes | or whatever the today app is called |
| 14:48.37 | dcordes | ps -A |
| 14:49.23 | exco | just openmoko-today |
| 14:49.47 | dcordes | right it was a new application in the *2 updated |
| 14:49.51 | dcordes | update |
| 14:50.05 | dcordes | so does the panel draw correctly now? |
| 14:50.23 | exco | no |
| 14:50.44 | exco | but I get a second matchbox-panel-2 (emty) |
| 14:51.04 | dcordes | also on pixel in height? |
| 14:51.23 | dcordes | s/on/one/ |
| 14:51.36 | exco | no - right size (for vga I sddum |
| 14:51.40 | exco | *assume |
| 14:52.13 | dcordes | try killing both of them and start only one |
| 14:52.46 | exco | atm I'm fighting the lock screen :-) |
| 14:53.35 | dcordes | the key thing? |
| 14:53.41 | exco | yes |
| 14:54.22 | dcordes | marajin: can you put perses' moko kaiser build on http? |
| 14:55.08 | dcordes | I would like to play around with it, try getting X |
| 14:55.20 | marajin | dcordes: will do, just on the phone right now tho' |
| 14:55.21 | dcordes | some openmoko guys promised to help when we have sd :P |
| 14:56.50 | marajin | dcordes: Coolio |
| 14:57.01 | dcordes | marajin: do you think we might lack some framebuffer stuff? |
| 14:57.06 | dcordes | in the kernekl |
| 14:57.30 | marajin | dcordes: I have no idea, but now we have SD we'dget the logs, but IIRC the moko build wouldn't work after init when I tried |
| 14:58.21 | dcordes | ok |
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| 15:00.08 | exco | c |
| 15:00.36 | exco | can I get rid of that lock screen (neod?)? |
| 15:00.45 | marajin | gotta go, back soonish |
| 15:04.09 | exco | this one http://img372.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2js8.png |
| 15:04.42 | dcordes | ah right now I see that matrix thingy I remember. I also had problems with it |
| 15:05.03 | dcordes | I would ask #openmoko |
| 15:06.29 | exco | those guys don't talk to me :-) |
| 15:08.25 | dcordes | exco: I would rather try and remove it from the rootfs |
| 15:09.23 | dcordes | I think it's broken for qvga |
| 15:09.49 | exco | I think when you disable powermanagement it doesn't show |
| 15:10.29 | dcordes | that's why it caused my boardid 6 blueangel to go sleep |
| 15:10.34 | exco | I like the startup sound |
| 15:10.37 | dcordes | does it also try and turn off the screen? |
| 15:10.53 | exco | it turns it off |
| 15:12.33 | exco | the libnotify msgs are so annoying |
| 15:13.15 | dcordes | they are gsmd related |
| 15:14.33 | exco | well I already know it's not working and the empy popups don't help :-) |
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| 15:15.02 | dcordes | maybe #openmoko knows how to get rid of them |
| 15:15.14 | Othello_ | sorry to interrupt: just wondering what is the easiest way for me to run a linux kernel + some gui for my O2 XDA IIs? |
| 15:15.23 | dcordes | holy crap my OE tmp is huge |
| 15:15.28 | dcordes | take ages to rm -rf |
| 15:15.41 | exco | 10GB+ |
| 15:16.06 | dcordes | Othello_: do you know the "htc name" for your device? |
| 15:16.15 | dcordes | we usually use them to avoid confusion |
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| 15:21.19 | matsuu | hi |
| 15:22.31 | exco | hi |
| 15:24.50 | matsuu | it fails to losetup on android for kaiser. :( |
| 15:27.53 | ginge | matsuu: is that with the image I created for you last night? |
| 15:28.32 | matsuu | no. could i get your last image? |
| 15:28.53 | ginge | matsuu: http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/zImage |
| 15:29.25 | matsuu | thanks |
| 15:31.54 | exco | how can I remount everything from fstab? |
| 15:35.35 | exco | mount -a |
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| 15:39.14 | Othello_ | dcordes, I think itÂ’s a blue angel |
| 15:41.34 | dcordes | Othello_: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/ |
| 15:43.48 | Othello_ | thanks |
| 15:45.33 | matsuu | ginge: WOW! IT WORKS! |
| 15:45.38 | ginge | :) |
| 15:45.49 | ginge | another happy customer |
| 15:46.00 | ginge | matsuu: what initrd did you use? |
| 15:46.22 | matsuu | from vogue |
| 15:46.29 | ginge | android? |
| 15:46.30 | matsuu | hmm, it doesn't work :) |
| 15:46.34 | matsuu | yup |
| 15:46.43 | dcordes | matsuu: did you try to boot from sd? |
| 15:46.47 | ginge | not tried android yet |
| 15:47.10 | ginge | why doesnt it work? |
| 15:47.33 | exco | dcordes: after killing om-2day and matchbox-panel-2 and starting like: http://pastebin.com/m263274f8 -> http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3op0.png |
| 15:48.37 | dcordes | exco: one big panel. :) but that's the parameters I was referring to |
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| 15:49.03 | matsuu | dcordes! ya! I see 'A N D R O I D' |
| 15:49.15 | exco | you think I only have to adjust height, dcordes? |
| 15:49.26 | exco | no build problem? |
| 15:52.41 | marajin | heh, Time to break perses, again! :D |
| 15:53.48 | ginge | matsuu: hmm... can you try angstrom? |
| 15:54.08 | exco | well... that looks better... now those applets "just" need to workl |
| 15:55.56 | exco | where does matchbox panel get called on boot? |
| 15:58.44 | marajin | back in a bit |
| 16:00.16 | dcordes | exco: something like that. no, not a build time problem |
| 16:00.47 | dcordes | exco: read the script in /etc/X11 they will tell you |
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| 16:01.25 | dcordes | I need a DT (doenertasche) bbiab |
| 16:03.47 | tcccp | eeks |
| 16:03.52 | tcccp | Doener...yuk |
| 16:04.04 | premy | matsuu: I've looked at your diff. It looks as though Google's rild is able to fetch the GPRS parameters (APN, username and password) from the carriers sqlite table. Is that correct ? |
| 16:04.07 | tcccp | slaps dcordes around with some sauerkraut and sausages |
| 16:08.05 | matsuu | premy: yup. it it true. |
| 16:10.01 | matsuu | ginge: ok, i'll try angstrom |
| 16:12.47 | matsuu | ginge: could i get latest gitdiff? |
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| 16:13.13 | ginge | i'm just working on a patch to fix this problem. I will have it done soon |
| 16:13.29 | premy | matsuu: ok, that's great. That simplifies a lot the boot process. Why don't you directly update telephony.db. Would be nice to have a relatively up-to-date version of this file which would then work for many people. |
| 16:14.16 | ginge | matsuu: that reminds me, data works for orange uk (still no calls or text) |
| 16:17.00 | ginge | you put put up a web page so people can submit their carrier details directly into the db, and then download it too |
| 16:17.14 | ginge | s/you put/you could/ |
| 16:17.40 | matsuu | premy: because I cannot cover all carriers so i put up how to add your carriers in setupmodem.sh. sorry, my poor english |
| 16:18.16 | ginge | I might do that myself in a bit :) |
| 16:18.33 | ginge | matsuu is your card sd or sdhc? |
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| 16:20.41 | matsuu | ginge: sdhc 4GB |
| 16:21.02 | ginge | oh. well thats the problem then. sdhc cards dont work properly yet :( |
| 16:21.04 | ginge | we don't know why |
| 16:21.13 | ginge | do you have a sd card you can try? |
| 16:21.53 | matsuu | to mount sdhc is successed on android. |
| 16:26.56 | ginge | ye, but there are read errors and it locks up |
| 16:30.40 | matsuu | it should use vfat instead msdos. |
| 16:34.08 | matsuu | btw, how about CONFIG_YAFFS2? it appears if you enable CONFIG_MTD. |
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| 17:11.12 | cr2 | hm. and (2,8) |
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| 17:16.47 | marajin | ffs, I hate grub |
| 17:16.52 | marajin | it breaks if you do ANYTHING |
| 17:17.03 | cr2 | (1,1) (1,2) and (1,4) is another group. |
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| 17:52.04 | marajin | dcordes: Can we go murder the grub devs maybe? |
| 17:55.00 | exco | I'll do it |
| 17:55.13 | marajin | exco: Kill the grub devs? |
| 17:55.19 | exco | yes |
| 17:55.24 | marajin | huzzah! |
| 17:55.39 | marajin | grub knows I have the HDs but refuses to talk to them inexplicably |
| 17:55.43 | marajin | It's really quite annoying |
| 17:55.54 | exco | can't tell you how often I had to repair that menu.lst |
| 17:56.05 | marajin | I don't think menu.lst is broken |
| 17:56.18 | marajin | /dev/sdb1 is still /boot so .. |
| 17:56.58 | exco | that statement wasn't referring to your situation |
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| 18:00.11 | marajin | exco: I know, I'm just kinda saying for /once/ it's not just because menu.lst is prone to breaking |
| 18:00.31 | pikapika | yo |
| 18:00.39 | marajin | 'lo |
| 18:03.59 | exco | gotta go get more beer -> http://www.tz-online.de/de/aktuelles/bayern/artikel_42844.html |
| 18:04.05 | marajin | heh |
| 18:04.09 | marajin | beer ist gut! |
| 18:04.44 | marajin | sigh, time to see if grub defucked itself again but I doubt it somehow |
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| 18:33.12 | dcordes | I could use a beer |
| 18:33.48 | dcordes | exco: got the panel working? |
| 18:34.51 | eBug | dcordes in order to boot kaiser-bootkit do i only need {android,angstrom}.bin or all {android,angstrom}*bin ? |
| 18:35.04 | dcordes | I have an important question. I need to get a complete list of commands for the modem in msm7200 so that the openmoko people can integrate them in the upcoming framework. |
| 18:35.20 | dcordes | cr2: do you have a hint? |
| 18:37.10 | dcordes | eBug: only one. the big bin files are the ramdisks with the needed rootfilesystem. it is specified in default.txt which of them is used by haret.exe ( SET INITRD = ) if you are still on dial up, I would suggest the angstrom.bin |
| 18:37.43 | eBug | dcordes i'm on ADSL now |
| 18:38.16 | exco | dcordes: no. |
| 18:38.16 | eBug | what's the difference between android.bin and android-data.bin ? |
| 18:38.29 | dcordes | then first get angstrom.bin and try if you can boot at all |
| 18:38.36 | eBug | ok |
| 18:39.01 | eBug | i'll try to boot from RAM first |
| 18:39.07 | eBug | then from NAND flash |
| 18:39.37 | exco | what about integrating tose http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM? |
| 18:41.01 | dcordes | when you use the initrd option, the specified initrd.bin file is uploaded to ram either way. (since that's the purpose of a ramdisk) so it does not matter where you keep the files on boottime, just make sure they live in the same folder |
| 18:41.07 | dcordes | @ebug |
| 18:41.37 | dcordes | exco: I guess mickey|zzZZzz is also intersted in those |
| 18:42.02 | cr2 | dcordes: strings rilphone.dll |
| 18:42.30 | dcordes | exco: since magician and so are also in oe lready. we were only talking about kaiser so far |
| 18:42.54 | dcordes | cr2: i there nothing more comfortable? |
| 18:43.35 | exco | well it is in OE... but that doesn't mean that "anything" is working |
| 18:44.18 | dcordes | I welcome it much that openmoko moves away from the high device specific stuff with the fic phone and gets more global |
| 18:44.33 | exco | yes |
| 18:44.35 | dcordes | exco: unmaintained |
| 18:44.35 | pH5 | NOTE: package fso-image-light-1.0: Succeeded |
| 18:44.39 | pH5 | time for a test drive |
| 18:45.07 | dcordes | I have seen the fso image on a780 (qvg) |
| 18:46.23 | exco | fso... asu... qt ... no wonder there'sn't a single working one :-P |
| 18:47.17 | dcordes | :D |
| 18:48.05 | pH5 | funny, but true |
| 18:48.16 | dcordes | fso uses the python and e17 lib thing |
| 18:48.25 | eBug | dcordes cool, angstrom.bin got a a console |
| 18:48.53 | dcordes | eBug: that's a very good sign |
| 18:49.05 | eBug | i just don't have a keyboard to type commands |
| 18:49.50 | dcordes | a pity. otherwise you could try if the phone works for you immediately. |
| 18:50.05 | dcordes | in order to achieve this, boot android.bin instead |
| 18:50.11 | eBug | how do u connect a kb ? |
| 18:50.23 | dcordes | we have no usb support yet |
| 18:51.06 | eBug | how do I halt linux ? |
| 18:51.10 | eBug | reset button ? |
| 18:51.24 | dcordes | yes. sofreset with your pen |
| 18:54.21 | cr2 | eBug: hmm. we need to check if you really have the cpld at the same location as kaiser. |
| 18:54.39 | cr2 | eBug: can you post the haretlog.txt after booting linux ? |
| 18:54.51 | cr2 | kiozen: still alive ? |
| 18:56.52 | eBug | haret didn't generate any log |
| 18:58.56 | eBug | i'll touch haretlog.txt |
| 19:00.52 | eBug | android somehow booted |
| 19:01.13 | eBug | i got a red line moving back and forth for a while |
| 19:01.48 | eBug | then a blank screen with 3 widgets in the upper part |
| 19:02.02 | eBug | Contacts/Maps button |
| 19:02.05 | eBug | text box |
| 19:02.10 | eBug | Go button |
| 19:02.30 | eBug | pressing keys puts characters in the text box |
| 19:02.57 | eBug | k p o e |
| 19:03.09 | dcordes | does the touchscreen react? |
| 19:03.39 | eBug | somehow |
| 19:03.43 | dcordes | eBug: then probably the keypad is similarly mapped as on kaiser if it outputs keys |
| 19:03.48 | eBug | when i touch the text box |
| 19:03.56 | dcordes | eBug: ts has vertical offset? |
| 19:04.07 | eBug | 1st widget switches from Contacts to Maps |
| 19:04.08 | dcordes | does the direction pad work? |
| 19:04.45 | eBug | arrow down is 'u' |
| 19:04.53 | eBug | right is 'h' |
| 19:05.01 | eBug | left is 'j' |
| 19:05.08 | eBug | down nothing |
| 19:05.24 | eBug | sorry, up does nothing |
| 19:06.01 | eBug | the 'hang up' phone button acts as backspace |
| 19:06.24 | dcordes | can you somehow reach the dialer? |
| 19:06.30 | eBug | no |
| 19:06.59 | eBug | windows button is 'l' |
| 19:07.25 | eBug | there could be a vertical offser |
| 19:07.48 | eBug | don't know where those widgets are supposed to show up |
| 19:08.10 | eBug | do you want any screenshot ? |
| 19:08.20 | dcordes | why not |
| 19:08.53 | eBug | i'll have to buy a second htc |
| 19:08.56 | cr2 | eBug: touch earlyharetlog.txt |
| 19:09.50 | kiozen | BabelO: tracks as bread crums in memory are working, but no file recording yet |
| 19:10.15 | kiozen | cr2: now alive |
| 19:10.55 | cr2 | lol |
| 19:11.08 | cr2 | kiozen: have you seen th gpio pairs ? |
| 19:11.25 | cr2 | [19:10] <cr2> kiozen: (0,1) (0,2) (2,1) (2,2) and (2,4) are one group |
| 19:11.25 | cr2 | [19:11] <cr2> hm. and (2,8) |
| 19:11.29 | kiozen | cr2: I have seen the pairs of numbers :) |
| 19:11.42 | cr2 | [19:17] <cr2> (1,1) (1,2) and (1,4) is another group. |
| 19:11.42 | cr2 | [ |
| 19:11.57 | kiozen | but don't understand what they mean :) |
| 19:12.39 | cr2 | the (0,1) is bt |
| 19:12.47 | cr2 | (bank,mask) |
| 19:12.55 | cr2 | 0=A,1=B,... |
| 19:13.19 | kiozen | ok |
| 19:13.25 | eBug | should I disable the fingerprint authentication? |
| 19:13.29 | cr2 | (0,1) (0,2) (2,1) (2,2) (2,4) (2,8) |
| 19:13.37 | cr2 | (1,1) (1,2) (1,4) |
| 19:13.40 | kiozen | thus for bt we have to set all these bits? |
| 19:13.55 | cr2 | kiozen: there are some possible combinations. for these separate groups. |
| 19:14.26 | cr2 | kiozen: i suppose that there are 4 leds |
| 19:14.58 | cr2 | kiozen: i can enumerate the combinations. |
| 19:15.35 | kiozen | cr2: you mean something like: switch on bt and make the blue led blink |
| 19:15.49 | kiozen | cr2: and than do all the madness neccessary? |
| 19:16.48 | dcordes | eBug: ha it has a finerprint reader? |
| 19:16.51 | cr2 | kiozen: can you patch the kernel, and disable (0,1) for bt ? |
| 19:16.58 | eBug | dcordes yes |
| 19:17.15 | cr2 | if it's the bt led, then bt will work, and the led will not blink blue |
| 19:17.21 | kiozen | cr2: you mean in the bt_power_on() function? |
| 19:17.51 | kiozen | cr2: well it would be fine if it blinks |
| 19:18.06 | dcordes | premy: do you have a polris build so that eBug can try if your keypad setup works for his sedna? |
| 19:18.51 | cr2 | kiozen: does it blink now in linux ? |
| 19:19.06 | kiozen | cr2: no, no led at all |
| 19:20.45 | eBug | i touched earlyharetlog.txt and boot sequence now hangs |
| 19:24.39 | cr2 | eBug: strange. what do you have in the haretlog.txt now ? |
| 19:27.42 | eBug | cr2 http://pastebin.com/m5104e8c3 |
| 19:28.58 | exco | dcordes: can you tell me why I don't get a taskbar? http://pastebin.com/m4f1ccec5 |
| 19:34.35 | cr2 | eBug: interesting. Video Phys FB=10000000 Fonts=14d64064 |
| 19:34.49 | cr2 | eBug: it's the same setup as kaiser. |
| 19:35.18 | eBug | same cpu yes |
| 19:35.39 | cr2 | and mmu is with 6MB offset. |
| 19:35.41 | cr2 | MMU setup: mmu=A0320000/10620000 |
| 19:36.21 | cr2 | eBug: can you dump the first megabyte of SRAM ? |
| 19:36.25 | eBug | mmm i really booted from sd card |
| 19:36.42 | eBug | would it work better booting from ram ? |
| 19:36.44 | cr2 | eBug: it's also useful to dump the IPC 0x1f00000 area. |
| 19:37.15 | eBug | how do i do that |
| 19:37.17 | cr2 | eBug: the key question is the CPLD location, and gpio pin assignments. |
| 19:37.24 | eBug | ? |
| 19:37.30 | cr2 | add |
| 19:37.53 | cr2 | pwf sedspl 0x0 0x100000 |
| 19:38.05 | cr2 | to default.txt |
| 19:38.14 | cr2 | before the boot command |
| 19:38.20 | cr2 | as a separate line |
| 19:38.38 | cr2 | then it'll write the sedspl file. |
| 19:39.17 | eBug | all lines start with 'set' in default.txt |
| 19:40.02 | cr2 | yes, ans this one starts with 'pwf' |
| 19:40.21 | eBug | set INITRD android.bin |
| 19:40.21 | eBug | pwf sedspl 0x0 0x100000 |
| 19:40.21 | eBug | bootlinux |
| 19:40.23 | eBug | ? |
| 19:42.25 | cr2 | yes. |
| 19:43.19 | eBug | do you want me to boot from RAM or is SD ok ? |
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| 19:46.13 | cr2 | does not matter. |
| 19:46.51 | eBug | i wiped earlyharetlog.txt |
| 19:46.58 | eBug | let's see if it helps |
| 19:47.11 | eBug | yes it does |
| 19:47.40 | eBug | have earlyharetlog.txt in the boot dir freezes boot sequence |
| 19:48.44 | cr2 | eBug: it's strange, but ok. probably it interacts with the sd or so. |
| 19:48.49 | eBug | i'm back to the contact/go screen |
| 19:48.53 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:49.11 | eBug | i"ll softreset and pastebin the dump |
| 19:49.51 | eBug | where are those widgets supposed to show up ? |
| 19:50.56 | Kristen | any news on the titan? |
| 19:51.05 | cr2 | eBug: it's a binary file, you can't pastebin it. |
| 19:51.30 | cr2 | eBug: compress it, and put somewhere to download. |
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| 19:55.45 | eBug | what file is that supposed to be ? |
| 19:55.55 | eBug | i only have haretlog.txt |
| 19:56.12 | eBug | sedspl? |
| 19:57.24 | cr2 | yes. |
| 19:57.40 | cr2 | eBug: is the sedspl an 1MB file ? |
| 19:57.45 | eBug | yes |
| 19:59.06 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:59.40 | cr2 | eBug: i think that it's your spl, and it's extremely helpful to look at it :) |
| 19:59.47 | Hymie | damn |
| 20:00.00 | Hymie | cr2, would it help if I went to the HTC HQ, and smash their kneecaps? |
| 20:00.10 | Hymie | cr2: 'cause they sure aren't maknig your life easy |
| 20:00.19 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:00.36 | Hymie | cr2: well, I see you get stuck on many attempts to port, because of HTC and their evil closed minds |
| 20:00.59 | cr2 | Hymie: it makes fun |
| 20:01.01 | Hymie | cr2: you work your ass off, then there's some block that you'd need to be psychic to get past |
| 20:01.10 | Hymie | cr2: sure, but... *some* help would be nice |
| 20:01.19 | Hymie | cr2: I'm just a schmuck |
| 20:01.35 | Hymie | cr2: I just want linux, and I can't complain for your efforts, so I have to complain for htc ;) |
| 20:01.50 | cr2 | Hymie: as a professional scientist, i'm not scared by such things. |
| 20:02.16 | cr2 | i see roadblocks as a challenge. |
| 20:02.35 | Hymie | cr2: sure, and I'm sure you can solve many of them, but when you're working on 234234234 phones, and HTC gives you nothing |
| 20:02.36 | Hymie | I mean, shit |
| 20:02.56 | Hymie | they're STUPID, literally. You're doing this for free, and that can't kick in a little help, it just annoys me! |
| 20:03.15 | marajin | exco: Cancel the hit on the grub devs... Send flowers to the lilo ones though |
| 20:03.22 | cr2 | Hymie: they think it's intellectual property. |
| 20:03.55 | Hymie | cr2: I know what they think, and my fist will teach them what it really is! |
| 20:03.57 | exco | well since you already paid, marajin ... who's it gonna be now? |
| 20:04.04 | marajin | ginge: <Brian_Blessed_voice> PERSES ALIIIIIIIVE! </Brian_Blessed_voice> |
| 20:04.19 | marajin | exco: someone at HTC who opted to screw the kaiser's video speeds? |
| 20:04.24 | Hymie | cr2: I will lead a team of killer destructo bots against them |
| 20:04.39 | Hymie | cr2: and for effect, I will use hermes as the CPU/control for the bots |
| 20:05.16 | cr2 | Hymie: :) you have hermes ? |
| 20:05.25 | Hymie | cr2: and I have a treo750 |
| 20:05.38 | Hymie | cr2: I like the keyboard on the front, but I miss the wi-fi |
| 20:05.39 | cr2 | Hymie: i thought it was treo750, and it was booting. |
| 20:05.44 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:05.46 | exco | 400MHz and video prolems ... |
| 20:05.59 | Hymie | cr2: yes, it booted, but no mounting of ext for us :( |
| 20:06.16 | Hymie | but, regardless, I don't think it will be a phone under linux for a while |
| 20:06.18 | pH5 | cr2: everybody sees roadblocks as challenge for so long, as a good scientist you just have a higher frustration threshold than ordinary people :P |
| 20:06.26 | marajin | exco: Yep |
| 20:06.27 | eBug | cr2: http://piano.amps.es/sedspl.gz |
| 20:06.31 | cr2 | Hymie: hmm. the s3c-sd should be fixed in the later moko-like kernels. |
| 20:06.39 | cr2 | Hymie: you |
| 20:07.01 | cr2 | 'd try to pick the hermes kernel from linxtogo git |
| 20:07.04 | marajin | exco: Literally no hardware acceleration of video ops until the absolute latest roms, etc... so ;) I think it's not just Kaiser, several models are similar |
| 20:07.25 | Hymie | cr2: I may on the weekend |
| 20:07.47 | cr2 | eBug: got it. |
| 20:07.49 | Hymie | cr2: for now, I will go get my hot dogs off the bbq! |
| 20:07.55 | cr2 | Hymie: ok :) |
| 20:07.57 | Hymie | cr2: so battle on, valiant dude |
| 20:08.22 | exco | well ... the 3ish years old Magician runs videos quite nice |
| 20:08.24 | cr2 | sure |
| 20:08.30 | cr2 | eBug: SIRIUS SPL EVT |
| 20:08.31 | eBug | cr2 have a look at it if you want, i'll be back in 15min |
| 20:08.35 | cr2 | eBug: looks good. |
| 20:08.50 | marajin | exco: Yeah that was the ridiculousness of it. Devices some years older are far more able because of the driver issue. |
| 20:09.04 | exco | Kaiser worse than Artemis? |
| 20:09.16 | marajin | exco: With hackery the kaiser can be made to run fairly smooth but it's very literally hackery. |
| 20:09.29 | cr2 | marajin: what about NAND on kaiser ? |
| 20:09.43 | marajin | cr2: What about it? |
| 20:09.54 | cr2 | does it work ? |
| 20:09.58 | marajin | um yes? |
| 20:09.59 | cr2 | omg. DISP: +InitToppolySPI |
| 20:10.04 | marajin | cr2: You mean under linux? |
| 20:10.07 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:10.09 | exco | like when you had to solder a mainboard to get higher clocked K6's to run? |
| 20:10.11 | marajin | No idea |
| 20:10.19 | marajin | I'm not sure anyone's even tried |
| 20:10.31 | eBug | you scare me. No one has pronounced that word SIRIUS in front of me for a long, long time |
| 20:11.02 | marajin | exco: Nah you can do it in software but still, annoyin |
| 20:11.14 | marajin | exco: Stroll on linux I guess =) |
| 20:11.41 | cr2 | eBug: cdma phone ? |
| 20:12.00 | exco | but that's gonna take another ... years? |
| 20:12.28 | eBug | cr2: cdma ? |
| 20:12.34 | eBug | what's that ? |
| 20:13.09 | exco | Code Division Multiple Access? |
| 20:13.11 | dcordes | cr2: I don't know about anybody having poked with kaiser nand |
| 20:13.12 | eBug | oh no |
| 20:13.13 | eBug | GSM |
| 20:13.19 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:13.43 | cr2 | dcordes: but there is an android kernel nand driver ? |
| 20:13.54 | eBug | European Standard |
| 20:13.55 | dcordes | iirc yes |
| 20:14.56 | dcordes | bbiab |
| 20:15.39 | cr2 | eBug: looking at it. |
| 20:17.08 | marajin | exco: years? why would it take years? |
| 20:17.52 | marajin | exco: With touchscreen, SD, framebuffer, hardkeys/keyboard, GSM/GPRS working on the kaiser already.. |
| 20:17.57 | cr2 | eBug: checking the cpld. |
| 20:18.19 | exco | that sounds ready for daily use, marajin |
| 20:18.33 | marajin | exco: No we need at least PM before that |
| 20:18.35 | exco | how many devs/users? |
| 20:18.42 | exco | pm? |
| 20:18.47 | marajin | exco: Power Management |
| 20:18.50 | exco | sound? |
| 20:19.06 | marajin | exco: In calls yes but not for general use. |
| 20:20.04 | exco | what a shame kaisers AT's are different from Magicians |
| 20:20.17 | marajin | the kaiser is pretty radically different from the magician |
| 20:20.37 | marajin | Kaiser/Vogue/Polaris should all progress at near the same speed though I think |
| 20:21.40 | eBug | i'm back |
| 20:22.04 | cr2 | eBug: 0x98* |
| 20:22.15 | exco | Magician/Blue Angel/Universal/Himalaya/Athena/Hermes ... |
| 20:22.58 | cr2 | 0xbd000000 0x98000000 1 KaiserCPLD |
| 20:23.10 | cr2 | eBug: ok, it's the same location as on kaiser. |
| 20:25.09 | premy | dcordes, ginge: I'd like to post a zImage with the 'official' SD code. When do you think it will be available ? |
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| 20:25.43 | kamen-bulgaria | hi |
| 20:25.43 | eBug | so why does it freeze ? |
| 20:25.52 | eBug | well it doesn't freeze |
| 20:25.58 | eBug | sorry for confusion |
| 20:26.03 | kamen-bulgaria | i want install linux on qtek9090 |
| 20:26.17 | kamen-bulgaria | please give me link for download |
| 20:26.24 | kamen-bulgaria | and some help |
| 20:26.42 | eBug | is there any screenshot out there of what i'm supposed to see on the screen ater booting android.bin ? |
| 20:27.13 | kamen-bulgaria | please i like linux help me |
| 20:28.11 | kamen-bulgaria | just give me link for download please |
| 20:29.05 | kamen-bulgaria | ok 10x ;( |
| 20:29.26 | cr2 | kamen-bulgaria: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcblueangel/ |
| 20:30.19 | cr2 | eBug: i don't see anythng unusual in your spl. you'd watch the kaiser progress, because your phone seems to be the same, or very similar. |
| 20:33.43 | eBug | cr2: why don't i get the dialer pad ? |
| 20:52.17 | eBug | cr2: any hint ? |
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| 21:00.43 | cr2 | eBug: i'm not an android expert. |
| 21:05.49 | eBug | is there any more info i can provide you ? |
| 21:11.53 | ginge | premy: I am having some serious sd related issues here. |
| 21:12.28 | ginge | premy: I can mount the device and read/write data, but cant boot from the sd card :/ |
| 21:16.13 | marajin | ginge: what happened? |
| 21:17.12 | ginge | not too sure. bit confused at the moment. If I boot angstrom I can read/write a 10MB file and it md5's ok. If I boot android off the sd it either segfaults the kernel or the dma fails with a timeout |
| 21:17.37 | marajin | ginge: Hmm, want me to try booting from android from the SD in a bit? I can boot angstrom from SD fine that's for sure |
| 21:18.08 | ginge | really? damned crapola android |
| 21:18.25 | marajin | ginge: Sure I've been booting angstrom from SD for a coupla days at this point |
| 21:18.47 | eBug | what do they mean by SPL ? |
| 21:18.47 | ginge | this is why I don't even bother trying android that often |
| 21:19.12 | marajin | ginge: Yeah it's blatantly fucked, we'regoing to have to wait for better releases I think, we're wasting our time working on android otherwise |
| 21:19.30 | ginge | Marajin: not wasting my time on it, thats for sure |
| 21:19.41 | ginge | Marajin: maybe when we get the source ) |
| 21:19.49 | marajin | ginge: We should aim at getting mainstream linux distros working I think |
| 21:20.15 | ginge | yeah, I need a good GUI image to run |
| 21:20.26 | marajin | ginge: yeah but android's the only UI that works =/ |
| 21:20.45 | marajin | ginge: But with SD functioning fine I guess we can debug openmoko images and whatnot now to find out why X fails |
| 21:21.01 | marajin | ginge: dcordes wanted my openmoko image earlier to test that himself as far as I know |
| 21:23.05 | marajin | ginge: Btw, my openmoko build wouldn't boot (though it does nothing like you say android is doing). |
| 21:23.24 | ginge | what happend with om? |
| 21:24.44 | marajin | ginge: It just locks up after init.It doesn't segfault |
| 21:25.13 | marajin | I'm just gonna rebuilt openmoko image tonight and had a fiddle I think :) |
| 21:27.37 | marajin | s/had/have/ |
| 21:44.23 | ginge | Marajin: did you make an initrd to allow angstrom to mount and run off the the sd?/ |
| 21:44.32 | marajin | ginge: No of course not |
| 21:44.57 | ginge | Marajin: so how then? |
| 21:45.22 | marajin | did you partition your SD card or are you trying to use loopback? |
| 21:45.29 | ginge | loopback |
| 21:45.45 | marajin | ah, I partitioned.. |
| 21:46.20 | marajin | and then added root= rootdelay= and init= to the kernel opts and removed hte initrd line |
| 21:46.32 | ginge | gotcha |
| 21:47.12 | marajin | I can try extracting android as my rootfs on that card later if you like |
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| 22:29.04 | dcordes | ack @ we shouldn't waste our time with android |
| 22:29.23 | dcordes | marajin: I did not get openmoko from preses, I'm about to finish a new, clean build. |
| 22:29.31 | dcordes | on my machine |
| 22:30.01 | dcordes | ginge: did you have luck booting from SD? |
| 22:30.24 | ginge | dcordes: i can boot from a partition, but no luck with loop !?!? |
| 22:30.58 | dcordes | ginge: didn't try loop. dzo explained to me how he did the vogue android loop yesterday |
| 22:31.06 | dcordes | maybe you wanna look into that |
| 22:34.57 | ginge | dcordes: its pretty simple to do, but there are dma errors |
| 22:36.37 | dcordes | ginge: did you try android extracted on an ext2 partition or only loopfile? |
| 22:36.55 | ginge | angstrom to ext2 not android yet |
| 22:37.06 | dcordes | maybe that will get rid of the dma problem |
| 22:37.20 | dcordes | I wonder why dzo doesn't get the same problem though |
| 22:37.34 | ginge | different platform maybe? |
| 22:37.39 | ginge | we did have to make a few changes |
| 22:38.25 | dcordes | are you talking about the changes in android? |
| 22:41.08 | marajin | Oh for the love of.. why can't it find bitbake anymore |
| 22:41.30 | marajin | nvm |
| 22:42.08 | dcordes | run the var setup script |
| 22:46.52 | marajin | nvm = Nevermind |
| 22:46.59 | marajin | was running it instead of sourcing it heh |
| 22:47.03 | marajin | stupid me |
| 22:47.32 | ginge | dcordes: I am talking about changes to the sdc driver code we have more sdc slots etc |
| 22:47.34 | dcordes | ok |
| 22:48.07 | dcordes | ginge: you will know best when you want it in the git |
| 22:56.40 | dcordes | we should move the kaiser builds from the current place to linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/ and also create a new folder/site there for vogue and polaris. |
| 22:57.15 | marajin | dcordes: Why would we put htc-msm builds in a htcpxa folder? |
| 23:00.40 | dcordes | marajin: because that's the place where all other builds go that come from this channel |
| 23:01.01 | dcordes | we can change it to ~htc but that would be no good idea |
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| 23:01.19 | dcordes | creating ~htcmsm wouldn't be any better |
| 23:02.53 | dcordes | we'd better ask cr2 BabelO pH5 what they think. |
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| 23:03.13 | dcordes | in any case I think we should keep the stuff together. |
| 23:03.31 | ellisway | dcordes dont forget there is still the htc-linux.org site |
| 23:04.03 | dcordes | ellisway: ha :) I entirely forgot about that. did you get the domain regsitered? |
| 23:04.22 | ellisway | yes its p has been for ages |
| 23:05.19 | ellisway | all i done with it though was to copy the html from the linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa |
| 23:05.24 | dcordes | ellisway: can you just forward it to linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa for now? |
| 23:05.43 | ellisway | thats basicly all it does |
| 23:05.58 | ellisway | although not as a redirect |
| 23:06.10 | ellisway | just a static html file from what i remember |
| 23:06.35 | ellisway | i`ll dig out the domain login info and forward it to you if you want |
| 23:06.58 | dcordes | sure. that would be great. depending on where we will put the msm builds, maybe a change will be required |
| 23:07.13 | *** join/#htc-linux OpnSrc1 (i=harisha1@gateway/tor/x-6421be4da1e8485c) |
| 23:07.41 | ellisway | i think i set a 1gb quota for that site but cant remember was that long ago |
| 23:08.55 | dcordes | I think for now a redirect will do |
| 23:09.04 | dcordes | I doubt we cause too much traffic on linuxtogo |
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| 23:28.13 | marajin | dcordes: Yeah |
| 23:29.48 | ginge | 1000'th reboot of kaiser :) |
| 23:30.04 | OpnSrc1 | hi all |
| 23:30.19 | ginge | morning OpnSrc1 |
| 23:30.36 | OpnSrc1 | ginge: is it day time for you now..? |
| 23:30.44 | OpnSrc1 | Its evening for me here in westcoast US |
| 23:30.47 | ginge | OpnSrc1: 00:31am |
| 23:30.52 | ginge | GMT+1 |
| 23:30.55 | ginge | (BST) |
| 23:31.35 | OpnSrc1 | PDT |
| 23:31.57 | OpnSrc1 | midnight for u.. howz it progressing ? |
| 23:32.13 | ewon | 4:32pm where I am |
| 23:32.31 | ginge | well, up until about 5 minutes ago, terrible... progress comes in massive chunks |
| 23:33.48 | ginge | 1005th reboot. I wonder how many I can get to before the reset button wears out |
| 23:36.16 | marajin | ginge: how come you're counting? |
| 23:36.40 | ginge | cleartemp program tells me |
| 23:38.12 | ginge | interesting. I think I have fixed the kernel oops problem, but now an getting timeouts after the cylon starts |
| 23:38.14 | marajin | heh =) |
| 23:38.19 | marajin | hmm |
| 23:38.26 | marajin | what caused the oops? |
| 23:39.00 | ginge | a kernel trace on a value that is now obsolete and a dangling pointer |
| 23:39.24 | marajin | oh |
| 23:39.24 | marajin | eh |
| 23:39.27 | marajin | *heh |
| 23:40.58 | OpnSrc1 | ginge: I didn't get to talk to Premy.. |
| 23:41.15 | OpnSrc1 | i'm still waiting for bootstrap me on dev.. |
| 23:41.51 | ginge | OpnSrc1: okay, lets start from the top then :) what OS are you runing on host? |
| 23:42.32 | OpnSrc1 | i've Fedora 9 |
| 23:42.58 | OpnSrc1 | i can install any OS.. I use Win vista laptop. |
| 23:43.17 | OpnSrc1 | I can any OS on my desktop.. |
| 23:43.38 | ginge | fedora will do nicely |
| 23:44.01 | marajin | (liiiies :P) |
| 23:44.05 | ginge | do you have a way of getting files to the phone from fedora |
| 23:45.24 | OpnSrc1 | I've mounted Fedora filesystem on my windows. I think I can get Fedora to mount phone filesys as well.. |
| 23:46.13 | ginge | as long as you can transfer files... |
| 23:46.36 | ginge | so what do you want to do, test android or develop for the platform? |
| 23:49.34 | OpnSrc1 | ok, whats involved in test android ..? I know whats deveop for platform means.. |
| 23:49.44 | OpnSrc1 | I think.. |
| 23:50.38 | ginge | to test you will need a few things. first you will need default.txt and android.bin from http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ |
| 23:50.48 | ginge | and haret.exe |
| 23:51.08 | ginge | put those on your phone |
| 23:51.16 | OpnSrc1 | Ok, I've been testing on Polaris for a while.. I've even built zImage out of Linuxtogo... |
| 23:51.28 | OpnSrc1 | for me GSM in/out calls work.. |
| 23:51.39 | ginge | OpnSrc1: okay, so what is you want help with? |
| 23:52.46 | OpnSrc1 | develop. want to see Wifi, GPS working .. want to install apps . and test apps.. |
| 23:54.05 | dcordes | gps is working |
| 23:54.18 | ginge | OpnSrc1: so do it ) |
| 23:55.15 | ginge | OpnSrc1: we only just got SD working and we thing wifi is on SDC1 there is quite a bit of work to do to get that part working for now. Best to wait a few days and then wait for the merge on that one. |
| 23:55.18 | OpnSrc1 | i need some headstart from you guys.. on the methodology to dev and test that you guys are following.. |
| 23:55.31 | ginge | OpnSrc1: i see. have you used haret? |
| 23:56.02 | OpnSrc1 | I've used it only to boot the zImage .. nothing else. |
| 23:56.55 | ginge | thats a good starting place. haret is used to spy on what windows does when it access all of the ahrdware |
| 23:57.18 | OpnSrc1 | ok, |
| 23:58.09 | ginge | you also should look at the memory maps irq and hardware layout here:http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserResearch |
| 23:58.40 | OpnSrc1 | is the mmu , hw layout same for Polaris & Kaiser .? |
| 23:58.49 | ginge | pretty much the same, yes |
| 23:58.49 | OpnSrc1 | Ok, I'll |
| 23:59.05 | ginge | haret guide is here http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET_20Documentation |
| 23:59.05 | ginge | start by tracing known register to get a feel for it |
| 23:59.37 | ginge | then trace an area you are interested in developing support for. Once you have some log traces you can start to implement the kernel code |
| 23:59.58 | CPress | hola ginge |
