| 00:21.55 | dcordes_ | dzo: tried a filesystem on card? |
| 00:23.22 | dzo | if you mean a root fs, no, i've tried mounting fat and ext3 partitions and copying back and forth though and that worked. |
| 00:24.43 | dcordes_ | yes, rootfs is what I meant. you get no errors any longer copying? |
| 00:25.16 | dzo | no, but only with debug messages enabled. still working on it. |
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| 00:57.09 | ginge | dzo: if(freq=100000) did you mean for this to be equals rather than an assignment? |
| 01:04.06 | dzo | oops yes, shouldn't make any difference though. |
| 01:09.28 | ginge | okay. I am knocking this on the head for tonight. I will pick this up later. I still get an oops if I comment out the irq check in msmsdcc_irq, and I get exactly the same output if leave it uncommented... that is the CMD5 request returns 0 and it returns failure at that point in the card transaction. |
| 01:09.44 | ginge | dzo: thanks again. night |
| 01:12.15 | dcordes_ | night ginge |
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| 02:34.21 | effbiai | dcordes_: yes, same as before |
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| 03:35.19 | dzo | ps |
| 03:35.21 | dzo | ls |
| 03:36.27 | [loy] | ))) |
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| 08:42.45 | premy | ginge: hi, just sent you more traces. |
| 08:55.51 | ginge_ | got them, thanks |
| 08:56.26 | ginge_ | so either we have SD1 and SD2 reversed in our code, or the kaiser differs from the polaris |
| 08:56.45 | ginge_ | I will have to run some traces of my own so we can compare notes |
| 08:58.25 | premy | ginge_: the traces are only for the clock setting part. I still need to check the MSM_SDC1_PHYS. |
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| 08:59.04 | ginge_ | I think the clocks are what we have wrong at the moment. That and IRQ handling. dzo is working on cleaning the IRQ level/edge triggering |
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| 09:35.13 | ginge_ | premy: I have an older haret, do you have alink for the latest, or can you forward yours please |
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| 09:36.52 | ginge_ | premy: also it looks like you may be right about the wifi/sd card assignments. The clock values I see when in Linux on SDC1 are closer to wifi values than SD based on your traces |
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| 09:54.03 | cr2 | kiozen: n560 charging is more complex than i#ve thought :) |
| 09:54.45 | kiozen | cr2: sounds like: you destroy your battery right now |
| 09:54.54 | kiozen | :) |
| 09:56.30 | cr2 | some fixes are needed to account for the cpld |
| 09:57.19 | kiozen | cr2: ok, when should I update the kernel ;) |
| 09:57.39 | cr2 | kiozen: if you have some free time you can add the gpio bitmasks here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/LooxC550Hardware |
| 09:57.48 | cr2 | kiozen: in the evening :) |
| 09:58.30 | cr2 | the bitmasks like here -> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaGPIO |
| 09:58.45 | cr2 | then it's much more easier to read the binary code. |
| 09:59.45 | kiozen | cr2: sounds like you want to make the "bock zum gärtner", ok, let's get a login... |
| 09:59.57 | cr2 | lol |
| 10:00.28 | cr2 | no, i'm just busy with other things now... |
| 10:01.21 | kiozen | cr2: no problem to add this stuff, if I would know what to add precisely |
| 10:01.55 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:02.10 | cr2 | one more column |
| 10:02.31 | cr2 | now it's only decimal gpio number and hex. |
| 10:03.01 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.31 | cr2 | there are about 20 ram locations describing the battery state. need to add them to wiki |
| 10:08.09 | cr2 | and 2 more not yet documented gpios found. |
| 10:08.43 | kiozen | cr2: so you want to have in "GPIO init" the 32 bit mask for GPIO 0 to 119? |
| 10:09.37 | cr2 | yes, like it's done fore athena |
| 10:10.42 | kiozen | cr2: like this: 11 0b 00000800 out 0 gpio 11 0 1 0 1 1 0 |
| 10:11.40 | cr2 | yes. |
| 10:11.44 | lama | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/13/gphone-may-really-happen-and-ammunition-group-may-be-designing-it/ |
| 10:12.20 | kiozen | cr2: hm, sounds like a real dump job .... |
| 10:12.35 | kiozen | cr2: ok, I think I am qualified for that :) can do... |
| 10:14.19 | cr2 | kiozen: select and copy column. or awk/perl |
| 10:14.46 | kiozen | yes, definetly :) ok lunch time... |
| 10:17.43 | cr2 | lama: we have enough good phones already. |
| 10:38.42 | premy | ginge: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20080622-mmu4.exe |
| 10:46.44 | ginge_ | thanks |
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| 11:38.57 | Foxdie | hi cr2, how goes? |
| 11:41.16 | ginge_ | can anyone recommend a good GNU/Linux disassembler for ce arm binaries. I am using ChARMeD at the moment and using windows in vmware is an iritant. |
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| 11:44.41 | premy | ginge: could it be that we need also need to change writel(readl(MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE)& ~(1<<7),MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE) in set_sdcc_host_clock ? |
| 11:44.48 | premy | ginge: cegcc ? |
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| 11:45.15 | premy | ginge: just changed it to 1<<8, and it does not freeze anymore |
| 11:46.17 | premy | could 1<<7 be for a0/a4 and 1<<8 be for a8/ac ? |
| 11:48.23 | ginge_ | premy: an interesting thought, worth looking at |
| 12:00.02 | premy | ginge_: clk_enable 20 |
| 12:00.15 | premy | clk_get_rate 20:-22 |
| 12:00.22 | premy | clk_enable 19 |
| 12:00.34 | ginge_ | is that CMD0 and CMD8? |
| 12:00.37 | premy | clk_set_rate 19:100000 |
| 12:00.52 | premy | clk_get_rate 19:100000 |
| 12:01.28 | premy | I'm getting this just after the init_dma message |
| 12:02.23 | ginge_ | wait... wouldn't we need to shift by 9 because of the width if the registers? |
| 12:02.41 | premy | Are those messages new ? |
| 12:02.57 | ginge_ | no, clk_get_rate worked in my original patch |
| 12:07.36 | premy | ginge_: I have new traces which include MSM_CLK_CTL_BASE. |
| 12:07.48 | premy | 003170: mmutrace 51609654: e5923000(ldr) 4a307000 2015fc2f (00000000) |
| 12:07.48 | premy | 003170: mmutrace 5160965c: e5823000(str) 4a307000 2015fd2f (00000000) |
| 12:08.08 | premy | which must be 1<<8. |
| 12:08.17 | ginge_ | yeah, looks like it |
| 12:09.04 | premy | my previous traces included wifi stuff, so that could explain why there was some 1<<7 in them. |
| 12:09.24 | ginge_ | did you read dzo's interpretation of how the clock lines work? |
| 12:09.43 | premy | premy: no, where is that ? |
| 12:09.53 | premy | s/premy/ginge |
| 12:10.20 | ginge_ | dzo's site in the diff file there is comments |
| 12:13.06 | kiozen | cr2: done |
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| 12:55.22 | kiozen | cr2: how can I control the LEDs? |
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| 12:56.38 | ginge_ | premy: with |
| 12:57.10 | ginge_ | premy: with |
| 12:57.14 | ginge_ | wtf? |
| 12:57.24 | ginge_ | premy: with left shit 8 I get to the same place as you |
| 12:57.35 | ginge_ | s/shit/shift/ |
| 12:58.15 | premy | ginge: is that any further than yesterday, though ? |
| 12:59.02 | ginge_ | premy: difficult to say. yesterday I was writing what we presume to be wifi registers, so I guess now we are using the right registers, yes. |
| 12:59.17 | ginge_ | premy: it doesn't lock at least |
| 12:59.43 | ginge_ | now to extract these clock lines from the sd dll |
| 13:05.00 | Marajin | allo allo allo |
| 13:07.17 | ginge_ | alreet |
| 13:07.22 | ginge_ | hows the hangover? |
| 13:07.42 | Marajin | I don't get hangovers =) |
| 13:08.08 | ginge_ | lucky bugger |
| 13:08.14 | Marajin | 's me =) |
| 13:19.34 | Marajin | ginge_: So what'd I miss in my drunken haze? :) |
| 13:20.05 | ginge_ | not much. Premy and I are still trying to figure out where our SD clocks are |
| 13:21.00 | Marajin | didn't dzo work out a way to reverse engineer/disassemble the clocks from the .dlls? |
| 13:23.02 | ginge_ | it's not really tricky to disasseble, its interpreting and following the resulting assembly code thats the pita |
| 13:23.30 | Marajin | well yeah |
| 13:23.33 | ginge_ | also dzo only has 1 sd host driver, we have 2 |
| 13:24.01 | Marajin | truuue but wouldn't we be able to get sd read/write support just via the methods he has? |
| 13:24.35 | ginge_ | yeah, assuming we can compensate for all the shifting and bitwise ops ont he clocks |
| 13:25.00 | ginge_ | shoudn't be too hard now premy has some traces of that area |
| 13:25.20 | Marajin | ginge_: Well here's hopin' :) |
| 13:25.49 | ginge_ | yeah, I am struggling to find time to play at the moment, so here's hopin' Premy has time :) |
| 13:26.07 | Marajin | well it's not end of the world mate :p |
| 13:26.56 | ginge_ | still, it bugs me that we are so close and I have to waste half of my life sleeping ;) |
| 13:27.11 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 13:27.23 | premy | ginge_: my daughter just woke up, actually, so I'll have to go. Will catch up later. |
| 13:27.27 | Marajin | you don't but you may considerably shorten your life by going the alternate route ;) |
| 13:27.35 | ginge_ | premy: ok, laters |
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| 13:28.38 | ginge_ | Marajin: we need to reverse engineer that Chinese dude who doesn't need sleep :) |
| 13:29.33 | Marajin | ginge_: I didn't sleep much up to being ill :) I did 40/8 schedule |
| 13:29.42 | Marajin | and that was fine by m |
| 13:29.42 | Marajin | e |
| 13:30.01 | Marajin | ..sweet, I got my ADSL stable even on a 3db SNR |
| 13:30.04 | ginge_ | I generally scape by with 5-6 hours sleep a night, but that scedule insane |
| 13:30.05 | Marajin | 3 days since resync |
| 13:30.31 | Marajin | 40/8 was fine for me. I could do 20/4 but I would simply have to get up after the 4 |
| 13:31.17 | ginge_ | I tried out polyphasic sleeping a few years ago while working from home... that really screws with your oerception of what day it is |
| 13:31.39 | Marajin | I have no perception of what day it is |
| 13:31.46 | Marajin | I really don't know |
| 13:31.57 | ginge_ | what yea is this? who's the president |
| 13:32.03 | Marajin | hah :P |
| 13:32.25 | Marajin | TBH I did used to answer questions like "what day is it today?" with "summer, I think" |
| 13:32.47 | Marajin | Now I answer them by just repeating the question to my kaiser |
| 13:32.51 | Marajin | hurray voice command :P |
| 13:33.58 | ginge_ | wow, how'd you manage to make any of that stuff work? It takes about 20 minutes for the screen to refresh nevermind preocess voice |
| 13:34.17 | Marajin | O.o |
| 13:34.21 | Marajin | dude it just works |
| 13:34.29 | ginge_ | opening pocket word takes about 3 minutes to close, rotate the screen takes about 2 minutes etc |
| 13:34.37 | Marajin | I have a wma of me talking to it at some point |
| 13:34.41 | Marajin | it's fairly responsive |
| 13:35.52 | Marajin | your stock rom must dick with it |
| 13:36.22 | ginge_ | probably. Its the main reason I want rid :) |
| 13:36.41 | Marajin | ginge_: Why don't you flash it then? warranty concern? |
| 13:36.50 | ginge_ | Marajin: laziness |
| 13:36.57 | Marajin | Dude it takes like 5 minutes |
| 13:36.59 | ginge_ | you can only polish a turd so much |
| 13:37.39 | Marajin | you can make voice command responsive and the screen rotate down to a second or two |
| 13:38.18 | Marajin | and that's WITH a slider noise and even from standby |
| 13:39.43 | ginge_ | I am no stranger to new roms, I upgraded all of my other HTC devices to better roms, but refer to turd comment above for the results ;) |
| 13:40.00 | ginge_ | every time there were nasty regressions |
| 13:40.27 | Marajin | well yeah but you can turn the kaiser from arse gravy for the worst kind to merely a mild constipation |
| 13:40.37 | ginge_ | rofl |
| 13:41.09 | Marajin | (hurray for stephen fry and QI) |
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| 13:44.40 | Marajin | ginge_: But really I find the kaiser less annoying with the custom roms and voice command always worked great for me |
| 13:46.21 | ginge_ | crazy mofo. A friend of mine is writing a wrapper for windows ce dll files that load into a Linux kernel. |
| 13:47.05 | Marajin | ... |
| 13:47.05 | Marajin | hah |
| 13:47.13 | Marajin | that'd make our lives easier ;) |
| 13:47.29 | Marajin | but we'll probably have working linux code before he finishes no? :) |
| 13:48.07 | Marajin | though I'm left wondering how many devices actually WORK as intended under linux yet |
| 13:48.10 | ginge_ | probably :) |
| 13:52.13 | zoolooc | hi there |
| 13:52.55 | ginge_ | 'lo |
| 13:52.59 | zoolooc | ginge_: so this friend is writing something like wine? |
| 13:54.24 | ginge_ | more like the wrapper ntfs.sys layer that was done a while ago |
| 13:54.33 | zoolooc | I was asking a similar question in the #wine channel once, if that is possible, they asked back, "what for?" or similar, and argued they have far too much more important issues than providing wince support |
| 13:54.35 | ginge_ | he is using reactos code in the same way |
| 13:54.46 | dcordes | hi |
| 13:55.00 | ginge_ | wine is more userland, this is kernel related |
| 13:55.06 | zoolooc | oh yeah, reactos borrowed some wine code, afaik |
| 13:55.24 | zoolooc | ho dcordes |
| 13:55.25 | Marajin | ginge_: win4lin ? was't that kernel level? |
| 13:55.34 | Marajin | ginge_: An what about lindows or whatever it'scalled now |
| 13:55.44 | ginge_ | found it captive.. http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ |
| 13:56.25 | ginge_ | those projects are all about emulating the win32 api, this is about wrapping those kernel level device drivers into a real kernel driver in a horrible nasty non-gpl way |
| 13:56.26 | zoolooc | I'd be interested in having the ability to still run some wince apps (not available in linux) when someday linux could replace wince on my pda phone |
| 13:56.35 | zoolooc | like navigation software |
| 13:56.53 | ginge_ | iirc you can run some with some guys crazy patch set, but I saw that years ago |
| 13:56.57 | Marajin | ginge_: There's a linux thin for wrapping network drivers I think, they use it for odd wifi cards and stuff |
| 13:57.06 | ginge_ | ndiswrapper |
| 13:57.12 | Marajin | that's it |
| 13:57.18 | ginge_ | thats more like what this guy is doing |
| 13:57.51 | zoolooc | wasn't captive the only way to get proper,reliable ntfs write support until recently, by using some windows dll/sys files? |
| 13:57.52 | Marajin | yeah |
| 13:58.36 | zoolooc | oh, the link says so, too :P |
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| 14:02.25 | ginge_ | has anyone ever tried loading linux through qemu on a severely bare ce image? |
| 14:02.34 | ginge_ | something like colinux |
| 14:06.39 | zoolooc | ginge_: don't know, but that too sounds like an interesting aproach |
| 14:12.17 | ginge_ | zoolooc: it would probably run like shit |
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| 15:06.18 | ginge_ | Marajin: you ever go to the Linux conferences up here? |
| 15:12.16 | Marajin | ginge_: Nope? |
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| 15:30.25 | kiozen | BabelO: beat me, I am too dump to change the application's color in qtopia |
| 15:30.40 | kiozen | BabelO: every file I touch has no effect |
| 15:30.53 | BabelO | kiozen: where do you changes values ? |
| 15:31.26 | kiozen | BabelO: I have tried the following: |
| 15:31.58 | kiozen | BabelO: /opt/Qtopia/default/Trolltech/qpe.conf |
| 15:32.44 | BabelO | kiozen: etc/themes |
| 15:33.01 | miknix | hey BabelO |
| 15:33.02 | BabelO | and themes you selected |
| 15:33.13 | kiozen | and this one /opt/Qtopia/etc/colors/Qtopia.scheme |
| 15:33.21 | BabelO | kiozen: then there is a decorationrc file with a conf |
| 15:34.13 | BabelO | hi miknix |
| 15:34.37 | kiozen | BabelO: yes, but nothing will change e.g. the black dialog background in M |
| 15:36.31 | BabelO | kiozen: black dialog background is set by you in code if you remember :) |
| 15:37.10 | miknix | BabelO: can you give me a hand with mmc reset on the wizard? I spent all day yesterday resenting it and I failed :( |
| 15:37.15 | kiozen | BabelO: I just do setAutoFillBackground(), no color |
| 15:37.52 | BabelO | kiozen: it change for me when you do that :) before it was transparent |
| 15:38.11 | BabelO | miknix: i only do my code from nk.exe deasm |
| 15:38.58 | miknix | BabelO: these are dumps when inserting and removing the SD card. all GPIOS and registers being set in your board are being traced |
| 15:39.08 | miknix | BabelO: http://pastebin.com/d13a33d2c |
| 15:39.16 | kiozen | BabelO: well yes, that is what setAutoFillBackground() is supposed to do, but where does it define the background color? |
| 15:39.46 | miknix | BabelO: this is my reset code sofar: http://pastebin.com/d243fe586 |
| 15:40.51 | miknix | BabelO: notice the OMAP730_IO_CONF2: C2(10 11)=0 C3(14 15)=0 C4(18 19)=0, it chooses GPIOS 25-30 |
| 15:41.19 | miknix | BabelO: and then it puts then into reset, GPIOS GPIO1-IL: IL25(25)=0 IL26(26)=0 IL27(27)=0 IL28(28)=0 IL29(29)=0 IL30(30)=0 |
| 15:41.32 | BabelO | miknix: be carefull, in devices.c file there is already a mmc pin mux setting, not for gpio, but ... |
| 15:42.21 | miknix | BabelO: I know.. but looking at the dumps, he first resets the register and then it configures the mux |
| 15:42.30 | miknix | s/he/it/ |
| 15:44.12 | miknix | BabelO: but ok, Yesterday I also dumped my rom. I'm going to try IDA on nk.exe then and see what I can come with |
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| 15:44.31 | ginge_ | cya tomorrow peeps. I hope to come back with some kaiser sd card driver insights ;) |
| 15:44.33 | BabelO | miknix: yes should be easier this way :) |
| 15:44.51 | miknix | err.. unless you don't know much about asm :) |
| 15:45.36 | BabelO | kiozen: http://sse2.net/gp/ look here it is a theme made by jott, maybe you can find the difference |
| 15:45.54 | BabelO | kiozen: ans file to change |
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| 15:52.23 | miknix | BabelO: what's nk.exe? the sd card manager or is it something more? |
| 15:54.00 | BabelO | miknix: it is wince kernel |
| 15:54.08 | miknix | oh |
| 15:54.15 | BabelO | same in windows xp :) you never see buggy screen ? |
| 15:54.33 | miknix | no windows here :) |
| 15:55.36 | exco_ | is there a way to build win executables from haret and txt and kernel? |
| 15:57.08 | miknix | BabelO: there is a OMAP850_.DLL here |
| 15:59.34 | BabelO | exco: yes it is a make linload command line |
| 16:01.09 | BabelO | exco: look in tools/make-bootbundle.py from haret sources |
| 16:01.14 | exco | nice ... will save me from start open file browser change to sd haret load ... now if I could get around that initial setup (calibration and the other stuff) |
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| 16:09.00 | kiozen | cr2: looks like the usb cable does not charge the battery in linux |
| 16:10.00 | kiozen | cr2: if that is true the device operates for ~6 h with a fully charged battery and moderate lcd usage |
| 16:10.38 | kiozen | cr2: that is not too bad :) but maybe we get it better... |
| 16:11.41 | pH5 | kiozen: sounds about right. can you trace how the charger ic is controlled in wince? on bq24022 devices like magician or blueangel it was just a gpio to enable charging. |
| 16:12.09 | kiozen | pH5: cr2 is working on it :) |
| 16:13.18 | pH5 | nice. are you using the pxa27x-voltage-max158xx driver already to scale down the core voltage? |
| 16:13.18 | exco_ | goes for his weekly TopGear fix |
| 16:13.22 | pH5 | heh |
| 16:15.14 | kiozen | pH5: you know the string of the kernel switch for that? |
| 16:15.46 | kiozen | # CONFIG_PXA27x_VOLTAGE is not set |
| 16:16.22 | pH5 | kiozen: that one and PXA27x_VOLTAGE_MAX158xx |
| 16:17.00 | kiozen | pH5: hm, it's not in the defconfig ... |
| 16:18.22 | pH5 | kiozen: one depends on the other, so it doesn't appear if _VOLTAGE is disabled |
| 16:18.35 | kiozen | pH5: you think it would work on the Loox n560 ? |
| 16:18.59 | pH5 | kiozen: if the looks is a standard pxa27x design, it should |
| 16:19.25 | pH5 | loox* |
| 16:19.40 | kiozen | pH5: ok i try to compile it into the kernel |
| 16:19.56 | kiozen | pH5: how can I test it? |
| 16:20.38 | pH5 | kiozen: enable cpufreq, change the frequency. if it doesn't hang, chances are it works |
| 16:20.52 | pH5 | unfortunately the pmic can only set the voltage, not return the current value. |
| 16:21.21 | pH5 | so you'd have to measure current draw from the battery, core voltage or something like that to see whether it really works. |
| 16:21.53 | kiozen | pH5: ok for that cr2 has to fix the battery monitor |
| 16:22.16 | pH5 | what battery monitor chip is n560 using? |
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| 16:25.46 | kiozen | pH5: ads7846 |
| 16:26.09 | pH5 | the main battery? so there's no coulomb counter on this device? |
| 16:26.45 | kiozen | pH5: yes, looks like, however wince has some information about the current |
| 16:27.06 | kiozen | but I thing cr2 can tell you more |
| 16:27.18 | pH5 | kiozen: right, if there's something else, cr2 will find out :) |
| 16:27.29 | kiozen | lol |
| 16:27.39 | pH5 | downloads the magician service manual and starts taking apart the broken device |
| 16:27.56 | kiozen | ok compiled that pxa27x_voltage_max158xx thing |
| 16:34.35 | kiozen | pH5: that make the kernel crashing :) |
| 16:36.13 | pH5 | kiozen: hm, that doesn't sound like success |
| 16:36.41 | kiozen | well let's decide on point even |
| 16:39.02 | BabelO | hi pH5 |
| 16:39.14 | BabelO | pH5: did you see that exco_ find the jtag for magician ? |
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| 16:39.59 | pH5 | ~lart hooks all over the place |
| 16:39.59 | apt | gets a hotmal account and SPAMs hooks all over the place |
| 16:40.25 | pH5 | BabelO: yes, I'm just en tour d'opening the broken one up |
| 16:40.38 | pH5 | but I'm still in need of a jtag debug board |
| 16:47.54 | pH5 | ok, the openmoko guitar pick officially works on magician, too |
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| 16:53.29 | cr2 | pH5: n560 does not use max15xx, it switches 3 pxa gpios on frequency change |
| 16:54.38 | cr2 | kiozen: does the AC charge battery in linux ? i've 2 more battery related pxa gpios and one cpld gpio not used by linux now. |
| 16:55.49 | miknix | BabelO: I found the mmc reset section on nk.exe |
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| 16:56.34 | miknix | BabelO: do you want to have a look at it? |
| 16:58.53 | pH5 | cr2: oh, ok. do high-res naked pictures exist? |
| 16:59.03 | pH5 | it's amazing how much they work with adhesive tape inside those devices |
| 17:01.06 | BabelO | miknix: just check it with my code :) |
| 17:01.08 | cr2 | pH5: it's not my device, so i#ve not opened it :) it looks line the c550 people opened the device, but did not make pics |
| 17:01.25 | cr2 | pH5: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/LooxC550Hardware |
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| 17:02.18 | miknix | BabelO: the procedure is somewhat different from yours |
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| 17:23.08 | exco | pH5, isn't it possible to push your changes upstream for OpenMoko? |
| 17:24.04 | exco | OM is intended to work on multiple platforms, isn't it? |
| 17:24.10 | pH5 | exco: what changes? I'm working on the kernel, not on openmoko. |
| 17:24.19 | pH5 | yes, it basically is. |
| 17:24.58 | exco | nut you also modified some parts to get the dialer... to work |
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| 17:25.17 | exco | *but |
| 17:25.31 | pH5 | that dialer doesn't exist anymore |
| 17:25.39 | pH5 | even the replacement is abandoned by om already |
| 17:26.54 | pH5 | there was the 2007 image, the 2008 image, now the ASU(qtopia) and the FSO(e) things. the 2007 image is what I got to work, the 2008 image is what ships one the freerunners, but they don't work on it anymore afaict. |
| 17:27.14 | exco | so one needs to adjust every new version of certain apps for certain platforms? |
| 17:27.44 | pH5 | exco: until they start doing the middleware right. |
| 17:28.15 | pH5 | the freesmartphone.org parts in the fso image could be it, but I'm not sure how everything will develop. |
| 17:29.24 | exco | that sounds awfully timeconsuming and most work is ... for nothing? |
| 17:29.54 | pH5 | not if you do it right |
| 17:30.10 | pH5 | as I said, I didn't really work on integrating with openmoko userspace yet. |
| 17:30.22 | pH5 | (or any other userspace image, for that matter) |
| 17:30.45 | exco | what experience does one need to do that? |
| 17:32.18 | exco | btw sound works with the May image + opkg update (+paying attention) |
| 17:32.43 | pH5 | a bit of aptitude for programming languages (for FSO knowledge of python would be good, I guess, for qtopia c++), and knowledge about what AT commands the magician needs/supports (it's all in the xda-developers wiki). |
| 17:33.13 | pH5 | :) great |
| 17:34.53 | pH5 | exco: now that I opened it up I fear I'm too clumsy to solder the jtag connections. first of all, I'll need a smaller iron :) |
| 17:35.19 | exco | smd one would be best |
| 17:36.58 | exco | I once bound a needle with copper wire to a soldering bolt and changed the M35i to blue |
| 17:37.09 | exco | :-) |
| 17:37.22 | AstainHellbring | damn that sounds scary |
| 17:38.05 | exco | well I was frightened ... but then again I don't have too much of a steady hand |
| 17:45.00 | BsDaEmR | is there a way to convert a key.pem and a crt.pem into a combined der file? |
| 17:45.42 | BsDaEmR | oops wsrong chan |
| 17:58.12 | exco | how is the top bar called in OM (and what if there's just a grey/blue line saying registering...) |
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| 18:06.37 | pH5 | exco: that's not the openmoko bar, that's the matchbox window manager's title bar. somehow the theme isn't set up correctly. |
| 18:08.09 | exco | I'll look into that |
| 18:12.28 | exco | pH5 did you ever patch the error messages to fit to qvga |
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| 18:33.04 | pH5 | exco: no, I don't even know if the sizes are hardcoded in libnotify or if it can be changed with the gtk theme. |
| 18:34.23 | exco | once I hab |
| 18:34.54 | exco | have 2 hands again I'll google like crazy all those things... |
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| 19:13.35 | kiozen | cr2: would opening the device still help? I will rug it up anyway... thus opening it is not too evil |
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| 19:18.40 | kiozen | cr2: don't think ac does load it in linux, think I remember when the battery was drained nothing helped but using the ac and wince, but I will check the next time.. |
| 19:19.45 | kiozen | hm, think my tools aren't appropiate for thoses micro trox screws :/ |
| 19:21.57 | pH5 | kiozen: small screwdrivers sometimes do the trick. |
| 19:23.15 | kiozen | pH5: I tried already, mine are too worn out :) but I have to phone andress-industries the next days. maybe the have pictures they would share. The open these units on a dayly base. |
| 19:23.44 | kiozen | is hocked by his syntax.. |
| 19:23.49 | kiozen | grr |
| 19:24.30 | pH5 | heh, I like that line of thinking though |
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| 19:45.04 | cr2 | kiozen: added 3 gpios to wiki |
| 19:45.25 | cr2 | kiozen: the blue key led is on the cpld. |
| 19:45.48 | kiozen | bah, only draws current.. |
| 19:46.21 | cr2 | kiozen: i think the others (nk?) are on the cpld too. nleddrv.dll doesn#t have any hardware data. |
| 19:47.10 | cr2 | kiozen: you may try to trace this cpld bank, while using the 'NLED*' command. i think you#d see something for the right led. |
| 19:47.19 | exco | where can I find the Magician rndis inf? |
| 19:47.54 | kiozen | cr2: ok, the ones on the top are more important |
| 19:47.56 | cr2 | kiozen: another interesting thing to trace is the cpld/gpios at the moment when the battery is charged in full |
| 19:48.27 | cr2 | kiozen: i'm trying to document the MCR things now for resume. |
| 19:49.07 | kiozen | ok, have to charge the device |
| 19:49.10 | cr2 | because i#ve tracked all the battery stuff for now, but don#t have a clear picture what to patch in the kernel yet. |
| 19:50.03 | kiozen | cr2: btw didn't you say leds are in userspace already? |
| 19:54.49 | cr2 | kiozen: the blue kbd led. but then i gave up on this idea. |
| 19:54.59 | kiozen | ok :) |
| 19:55.51 | kiozen | I need those to show that the deivce is recording, and if it is chargeing |
| 19:56.14 | kiozen | started the track recording today. |
| 19:56.46 | cr2 | i think they are enabled by cpld gpios. and these can be easily exported to userspace. |
| 19:57.28 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.40 | cr2 | ok |
| 19:59.42 | kiozen | cr2: is it possible to switch off gps from user space? |
| 20:00.01 | kiozen | cr2: and bluetooth |
| 20:00.16 | kiozen | cr2: in normal operation only one is needed |
| 20:01.00 | cr2 | kiozen: the power is hooked to open() |
| 20:01.19 | cr2 | kiozen: i thought it's a good idea. |
| 20:01.50 | cr2 | pH5: what do you think ? it's maybe the only reason why i'm not using 2.6.26 |
| 20:02.21 | kiozen | cr2: for the sirfIII for sure, but what about bt, sounds like I have to unload bt stuff if I do not use it, right? |
| 20:02.51 | cr2 | kiozen: once you call close() the power is switched off. |
| 20:03.08 | cr2 | kiozen: there is no difference between handling gps and bt now. |
| 20:03.40 | kiozen | cr2: but if I start bt on runlevel, something will open bt to scan for devices, right? |
| 20:05.26 | cr2 | hciattach |
| 20:05.35 | cr2 | first |
| 20:05.46 | cr2 | then the daemons can scan. |
| 20:06.21 | cr2 | it must be handled for the universal & others already. somewhere in these bt start script. |
| 20:07.38 | kiozen | yes, have to look later, device is chargeing... |
| 20:09.32 | cr2 | ok |
| 20:11.04 | pH5 | cr2: until somebody comes with a better idea, continuing to use open/close is the best we can do. |
| 20:11.07 | pH5 | ah, the merge window opened |
| 20:12.31 | cr2 | :) |
| 20:12.55 | cr2 | pH5: kiozen wants to have more explicit control of the power. |
| 20:13.43 | cr2 | pH5: imho, it's easy to modify magician's code to make n560 work, but i think he will lose gps and bt. |
| 20:14.13 | kiozen | well open close is fine as long as no dump deamon keeps the device open for nothing |
| 20:16.35 | pH5 | kiozen: for bt it makes sense to power it off once hciattach is closed, because it would just uselessly draw power otherwise. for gps it's maybe a bit different because you might want to power it to keep a lock. |
| 20:16.44 | cr2 | kiozen: for bt it may be the case. |
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| 20:17.48 | kiozen | think I do a "bluetooth stop" while using the gps. |
| 20:18.04 | kiozen | the user won't change it all the time anyway. |
| 20:19.06 | kiozen | cr2: btw did you find out how wince can measure the current? |
| 20:19.50 | pH5 | cr2: there's a patch for the serial power hooks, too. it just has to be adapted. |
| 20:20.13 | cr2 | kiozen: i see it switching 2 channels. vbat & temp1 probably. the rest is not so obvious. |
| 20:20.24 | pH5 | hm, and git.linuxtogo is down |
| 20:20.36 | cr2 | pH5: need a working magician tree... |
| 20:20.41 | pH5 | cr2: do you think it's measuring current as voltage drop over some probing resistor? |
| 20:22.23 | cr2 | yes |
| 20:22.37 | cr2 | as kiozen says there is no other way. |
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| 20:24.23 | pH5 | interesting. hopefully the charging logic isn't done in software. |
| 20:26.14 | pH5 | cr2: you'll get a working magician tree. |
| 20:26.42 | pH5 | actually, I'll regularly push my local work branch to git.linuxtogo.org |
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| 20:31.05 | pgupta | hi guys, i'm trying to locate a linux version to run on my htc artemis ... |
| 20:31.20 | pgupta | xda-developers.com has a reference to http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/ |
| 20:31.30 | pgupta | but that page does not open :-( |
| 20:31.40 | pgupta | does anyone know of a mirror? |
| 20:31.57 | kiozen | that charging take too long, cr2 I do the trace at work, tomorrow. bbl |
| 20:33.22 | pgupta | anyone? |
| 20:33.58 | pgupta | any pointers on how I can search for linux for my htc device? |
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| 20:34.15 | pgupta | the main linuxtogo web-page is not accessible :-) |
| 20:34.17 | pgupta | :( |
| 20:34.28 | pgupta | http://linuxtogo.org/ |
| 20:34.31 | pgupta | 'elp |
| 20:36.22 | dcordes | oh no |
| 20:37.35 | pgupta | hi dcordes .. my problem is i'm trying to get linux to run on my htc artemis, but the only URL (http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/) is inaccessible :-( |
| 20:38.14 | dcordes | pgupta: try again later. it doesn't take long normally |
| 20:39.10 | pgupta | oh, ok. thanks dcordes. |
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| 20:39.26 | cr2 | pH5: ok. time to port athena and n560 to newer kernel version |
| 20:52.18 | Marex | cr2: and write asoc ;) |
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| 21:02.35 | cr2 | pH5: hehe. sd-to-flash |
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| 21:31.53 | cr2 | http://cmptv.net/TearDownTV/index.php?videoid=14 |
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| 21:36.21 | cr2 | lol |
| 21:36.24 | cr2 | patented space-filling technology |
| 21:37.35 | dcordes | *click |
| 21:39.05 | dcordes | the built in fm transmitter sounds useful |
| 21:40.27 | cr2 | kiozen: fyi http://cegt201.bradley.edu/projects/proj2008/gps/Deliverables/Functional Description.pdf |
| 21:40.28 | dcordes | he has got 2 gigabits of nand? |
| 21:40.36 | cr2 | 4Gb |
| 21:40.54 | cr2 | mine has 4 |
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| 21:41.45 | dcordes | cr2: where does garmin provide the kernel source? |
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| 21:42.12 | cr2 | developer.garmin.com |
| 21:42.16 | cr2 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GoPalP4225 |
| 21:42.57 | cr2 | http://developer.garmin.com/linux/ |
| 21:43.54 | dcordes | thanks |
| 21:44.28 | cr2 | oh |
| 21:44.58 | cr2 | ALC5610 |
| 21:45.49 | cr2 | ac97+touch. hmm. not wm9712... |
| 21:49.13 | cr2 | Marex: new chip for you :) |
| 22:02.14 | dcordes | cr2: do you have any idea what could cause niki to not boot kaiser kernel (any longer) ? |
| 22:02.47 | dcordes | for effbiai it freezes in haret. already tried a kernel with smd disabled |
| 22:15.16 | cr2 | no |
| 22:20.51 | BabelO | cr2: zaprudnia in radio morse :) |
| 22:23.14 | cr2 | BabelO: ? |
| 22:23.38 | cr2 | BabelO: i have not found the TMC in the medion device ;) |
| 22:24.13 | BabelO | cr2: just looking at ham radio CW band, and heard someone from zaprudnia. |
| 22:24.27 | BabelO | cr2: it support TMC ? you have radio ? |
| 22:28.42 | cr2 | yes, in wince. |
| 22:29.11 | cr2 | uses an sd-to-flash chip to access flash as an sd chip. weird. |
| 22:29.18 | BabelO | cr2: on artemis no tmc under wince :( you have same chipset than me or it is a TDAxxxx |
| 22:29.49 | cr2 | BabelO: i have not found the chip. |
| 22:29.55 | cr2 | btw http://cegt201.bradley.edu/projects/proj2008/gps |
| 22:30.19 | cr2 | it uses something like that. and mostly the same hardware |
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| 22:31.43 | BabelO | cr2: nice project |
| 22:34.15 | BabelO | cr2: i m looking for a DGPS signal to receive ... |
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| 22:37.24 | premy | ginge: ping |
| 22:41.21 | cr2 | BabelO: strange. |
| 22:41.33 | cr2 | don't you have a sea port close to you ? |
| 22:41.41 | Marajin | premy: I think Ginge is out with the missis |
| 22:42.42 | BabelO | cr2: http://www.effective-solutions.co.uk/beacons.html |
| 22:45.46 | BabelO | cr2: or this one for you http://www.wsv.de/fvt/dgps/index.html |
| 22:48.56 | cr2 | BabelO: yes, i need a receive beacon too :) |
| 22:49.21 | BabelO | lol, and a VLF antenna :) |
| 22:49.39 | BabelO | i have the software decoder |
| 22:50.22 | cr2 | why VLF ? |
| 22:50.27 | cr2 | ah 300KHz |
| 22:50.31 | BabelO | yes |
| 22:50.50 | BabelO | you can make a receiver from an old radio maybe |
| 22:51.18 | cr2 | i have a sony icf somewhere |
| 22:51.24 | BabelO | but power is not the same, 200 W vs 1Kw |
| 22:51.32 | cr2 | but don#t think it has a digital out. |
| 22:52.16 | cr2 | afair it covers 180K - 30M |
| 22:53.06 | BabelO | ah, good , sound card output is enough |
| 22:53.45 | cr2 | no low frequencies ? |
| 22:54.32 | cr2 | i think this one -> http://www.amazon.de/Sony-ICF-SW-7600-Weltempfänger-silber/dp/B00005JY3Q |
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| 22:56.57 | cr2 | yes, 150K-30M with 1kHz step |
| 22:57.12 | BabelO | cr2: so maybe you can receive signal |
| 22:58.26 | cr2 | how do i decode it ? |
| 22:59.57 | BabelO | cr2: this one do it http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm |
| 23:00.10 | BabelO | cr2: there is also multimode |
| 23:03.06 | cr2 | BabelO: ok. |
| 23:07.42 | cr2 | good night |
| 23:08.09 | BabelO | good night |
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