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| 02:08.31 | effbiai | dcordes_: hi :) |
| 02:08.50 | effbiai | dcordes/dcordes_: hi :> |
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| 03:05.42 | CPress | Hey Guys. Any progress on Android? |
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| 07:49.06 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 07:49.30 | pronto | hi |
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| 08:23.36 | martin__ | dcordes_: I've been really busy, hope to be able to finish the stuff soon |
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| 12:25.45 | ginge_ | anyone know what sort of touchscreen driver the HTC shift has? |
| 12:26.03 | dcordes_ | morning |
| 12:26.47 | ginge_ | morning |
| 12:27.03 | ginge_ | just playing with the HTC shift :) |
| 12:28.57 | dcordes_ | is it good? |
| 12:29.06 | ginge_ | it's x86, so no. |
| 12:29.43 | ginge_ | I was also assaulted with Vista on powerup |
| 12:29.52 | dcordes_ | lol |
| 12:30.12 | ginge_ | I would put Linux on there, but I don't think the guy who is letting me play with it would appreciate it ;) |
| 12:30.56 | dcordes_ | angstrom |
| 12:30.59 | ginge_ | really though, not a bad bit of kit |
| 12:32.29 | ginge_ | do you know where we got the information about the kaiser havign a tsc2003? Is that confirmed or speculation? |
| 12:32.50 | ginge_ | (other than the fact it seems to have the same i2c register layout) |
| 12:34.10 | LanceHaig_ | I was going to ask a similar question after lurking here for a while |
| 12:34.40 | LanceHaig | I have a Kaiser and was to rid myself of windows is it possible yet? |
| 12:35.32 | ginge_ | LanceHaig: almost. A few tings don't work as should be... |
| 12:35.38 | dcordes_ | ginge_: sorry no clue. poke cr2 he has the pcb shots |
| 12:35.48 | dcordes_ | creepy, cr2's not on |
| 12:35.52 | ginge_ | LanceHaig: The list is shorter for what does work |
| 12:36.11 | LanceHaig | ahh so it will be a while yet |
| 12:36.27 | dcordes_ | ginge_: come on don't be that negative |
| 12:36.28 | ginge_ | LanceHaig: It depends on how much you want working before you consider it usable |
| 12:36.45 | dcordes_ | I'd consider it usable enough as soon as we have mmc |
| 12:36.47 | ginge_ | LanceHaig: Personally I use it now, but the battery will only get me through 1 day |
| 12:36.58 | LanceHaig | that is ok |
| 12:37.11 | LanceHaig | can you sync with linux? |
| 12:37.15 | LanceHaig | conatcts that is |
| 12:37.47 | ginge_ | LanceHaig: you can with GNU/Linux, depending on various configuration. At the moment we dn't have USB or mmc, so pretty hard to set up |
| 12:37.52 | dcordes_ | LanceHaig: if you find out where android saves the contacts, scp would do the trick |
| 12:38.04 | LanceHaig | or should I ask is there a url so I don't ask to many questions? |
| 12:38.05 | dcordes_ | through gprs |
| 12:38.23 | ginge_ | dcordes_: better to write a proper java app to do it via xml etc |
| 12:38.48 | dcordes_ | I'd gues such apps are already present |
| 12:39.02 | ginge_ | yeah |
| 12:39.10 | LanceHaig | ginge_, are you using haret to run android? |
| 12:39.20 | ginge_ | yeah |
| 12:39.21 | LanceHaig | or just booting it |
| 12:39.40 | LanceHaig | ahh I tried that and I always get stuck in contacts and can't get out |
| 12:39.41 | ginge_ | its the only way to hop into Linux at the moment (at least on Kaiser) |
| 12:40.08 | LanceHaig | ok I see now, I will have to wait a while still then |
| 12:40.13 | LanceHaig | thanks though |
| 12:40.20 | ginge_ | you can try it now without breaking stuff |
| 12:40.50 | ginge_ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782 |
| 12:41.06 | ginge_ | if you want to read the whole thread, you might want to take a day out ;) |
| 12:41.18 | ginge_ | post 1 has the information on how to get into Android. |
| 12:41.42 | LanceHaig | cool I will try that |
| 12:41.50 | LanceHaig | have not seen that thread before |
| 12:42.02 | ginge_ | good luck |
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| 12:42.59 | LanceHaig | thanks |
| 12:43.44 | pronto | you're welcome |
| 12:43.46 | pronto | :) |
| 12:45.49 | ginge_ | dcordes_: so I got something vaguely resembling calibration on the Kaiser, at least enough that tslib can cope with it now. Any thoughts on Android alibration? |
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| 12:46.42 | dcordes_ | no clue about android cal |
| 12:47.08 | dcordes_ | n'either I do know much about calibration in windows honestly |
| 12:47.11 | dcordes_ | lol |
| 12:47.15 | dcordes_ | s/windows/angstrom/ |
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| 12:48.09 | ginge_ | dcordes_: basically there is none ;) You need a set of tools (tslib tscalibrate xcalibrate etc)that have some complex algorithms in them to correct for errors. |
| 12:48.51 | dcordes | ginge_: the X11 images come with the required calibration stuff |
| 12:49.02 | dcordes | should we try debug X? |
| 12:49.21 | ginge_ | as I know nothing at all about angstrom package management, could you put the calibration packages into a console angstrom? |
| 12:50.29 | kiozen | ginge add tslib-calibrate to console-image.bb |
| 12:57.50 | ginge_ | kaizen: thanks. I guess I should read the instructions at some point ;) |
| 12:58.00 | ginge_ | s/kaizen/kiozen/ |
| 12:58.17 | kiozen | ginge_: haven't found that in any docs :) |
| 12:59.17 | kiozen | ginge_: ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL ?= "proj-4 gdal tslib tslib-calibrate" |
| 13:00.52 | dcordes | kiozen: will we be able to make use of tslib tslib-calibrate inside console-image? |
| 13:01.07 | ginge_ | dcordes: yes |
| 13:01.13 | kiozen | yes :) |
| 13:20.18 | dcordes | ginge_: I updated setupmodem and rebuilt the image. hope it will work |
| 13:20.40 | dcordes | does the updated script go together well with the init?.? on your server? |
| 13:22.05 | ginge_ | dcordes: the setupmodem script doesn't need init1 or init1.1 anymore |
| 13:24.54 | ginge_ | it is actually a bit of hack, but should work |
| 13:25.59 | dcordes | ginge_: but the presence of the two will not break anything? |
| 13:26.37 | ginge_ | no. They will just be ignored |
| 13:27.26 | ginge_ | all it does instead of cat'ting the init1 file to smd is to send the at sequence directly as an escaped string. |
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| 14:51.41 | dcordes | ginge: it doesn't seem to work |
| 14:51.53 | dcordes | looks like android freezes when starting to produce net traffic |
| 14:55.28 | ginge_ | well, I can't see how that would be the case. Can you try your old android image with the new zimage? |
| 14:55.43 | ginge_ | I heard rumours that the cvs zimage was fubar |
| 14:56.46 | dcordes | which new zImage? |
| 14:56.55 | ginge_ | since smd updates |
| 14:57.27 | dcordes | I'm running zImage with the kaiser-smd.c in git |
| 14:59.05 | ginge_ | um... how can I be online, the machine is ... |
| 15:00.16 | ginge_ | heh. caught in the act. I guess I should password protect my things before prying fingers start poking through my personal files. |
| 15:00.27 | ginge_ | anyhoo. |
| 15:00.49 | ginge_ | dcordes: does that zimage work in angstrom? |
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| 15:01.38 | dcordes | hm? yes I can get online in angstrom |
| 15:01.48 | dcordes | and android also shows G and the network stat |
| 15:01.49 | ginge_ | ok |
| 15:02.32 | ginge_ | did you alter your image to allow proc_comm for anything other than vibrate? |
| 15:03.34 | dcordes | yes this doesn't work |
| 15:03.45 | dcordes | makes the kernel hang after takeover |
| 15:04.47 | dcordes | now I made a call, afterwards tried to get online in the browser app |
| 15:04.49 | dcordes | and it froze |
| 15:05.08 | ginge_ | let me try mine again |
| 15:07.53 | ginge_ | is the zImage in the "kaiser bootkit" data enabled? |
| 15:08.04 | dcordes | now it didn't freeze, I tried to google something, it said network error unknown host |
| 15:08.16 | dcordes | ginge should be |
| 15:08.20 | effbiai | dcordes: hi :) |
| 15:08.41 | dcordes | hi effbiai |
| 15:08.51 | ginge_ | dcordes: shit |
| 15:09.00 | effbiai | you pinged me last day. any news about the kernel? |
| 15:09.02 | ginge_ | dcordes: /system/bin/echo not found |
| 15:09.31 | dcordes | where? |
| 15:10.04 | ginge_ | in modemsetup.sh where I put that apn |
| 15:10.12 | ginge_ | strangely it works for me anyway |
| 15:10.18 | dcordes | effbiai: no. I tried to put something together with less kaiser specific stuff. |
| 15:10.29 | effbiai | ah, okay |
| 15:10.36 | dcordes | it didn't work |
| 15:10.41 | effbiai | roger that |
| 15:10.45 | dcordes | I looked for an older build but didn't find anything |
| 15:11.17 | effbiai | too bad :\ |
| 15:11.49 | dcordes | probably martin__ or ginge have one older build |
| 15:12.06 | dcordes | I'm quite sure that other niki person was able to boot kaiser kernel once |
| 15:12.14 | dcordes | you did try dzo's vogue builds, didn't you? |
| 15:16.56 | effbiai | no, only http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/ |
| 15:18.27 | ginge_ | dcordes: I loaded up about half of slashdit and then it locked |
| 15:18.29 | ginge_ | dcordes: disable all smd stuff and try it again |
| 15:18.37 | ginge_ | dcordes: OK I think I know why it didn't work... |
| 15:18.45 | ginge_ | android doesn't ship echo as part of the distro |
| 15:18.49 | ginge_ | and the built in bash echo doesn't support sending carriage returns |
| 15:18.53 | ginge_ | plan B then |
| 15:20.50 | dcordes | lol they don't even put a busybox.. |
| 15:21.26 | ginge_ | dcordes: it sucks. I think I have it fixed anyway |
| 15:21.35 | dcordes | effbiai: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 15:21.47 | dcordes | make a new dir with all the stuff there |
| 15:24.26 | ginge_ | dcordes: If you get some time, can you see if that works. (same url) I have no real broadband to speak of at the moment, so can't test for a few hours. |
| 15:25.49 | effbiai | dcordes: freezes on the same point. tho this one didn't turn on the bluetooth diode - last kernel turned the bluetooth diode on |
| 15:26.44 | ginge_ | dcordes: I just tried with the "working" android and it still freezes after a while. |
| 15:28.33 | ginge_ | and by "working" I mean everything from the bootkit default (apart from my apn) |
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| 15:43.15 | Marex | pH5: hi ;) |
| 15:43.34 | pH5 | hi Marex |
| 15:44.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | hello, Marex. i heard PalmTX wifi works now? it is cf8381? have you made any changes to libertas? i wonder because my pda (asus 525) is made by asus like palm and has the same wifi |
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| 15:50.57 | dcordes | sounds like htc-egpio bootup config on kaiser triggers bluetooth led on nikki |
| 15:52.26 | effbiai | prolly |
| 15:52.46 | dcordes | dzo doesn't use htc-egpio |
| 16:01.18 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, Now I am. |
| 16:02.55 | Marex | Alex[sp3dev]: added card id and commented out real firmware loading |
| 16:03.13 | Alex[sp3dev] | oh,nice. |
| 16:03.17 | Marex | Alex[sp3dev]: then if you turn it on in wince, it should work, see hackndev.com |
| 16:03.28 | Marex | btw Im talking here about mainline kernel |
| 16:03.52 | Marex | pH5: looks like palmtx is actually pretty near |
| 16:04.24 | Alex[sp3dev] | yes. i think, i will migrate to mainline as soon as i finish suspend and i2c. too bad hh doesnt have complete patch list |
| 16:04.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | and according to hackndev, the fw dumper is added? have you tried loading the firmware? |
| 16:05.10 | Marex | yea, that doesnt work yet |
| 16:05.46 | Marex | and fw dumper is for cocoboot, you need some other util, cocoboot is for palmos |
| 16:06.21 | Alex[sp3dev] | and, btw, just as we are talking about palm. do you use max1586 for apm? (as for fw dumper, i dont say i need it,i just asked. pretty sure i can dump it from wince) |
| 16:07.59 | Marex | there is some chip in palmtx called max15xx, but I dunno how to access it |
| 16:08.12 | Marex | so it's for powermanagement :) |
| 16:08.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | it is on pxa2xx-i2c.1, pwm_i2c |
| 16:08.22 | Alex[sp3dev] | address 0x14 |
| 16:08.48 | Marex | is it any use ? |
| 16:09.56 | Alex[sp3dev] | i think it can be used to change voltage and battery measurment, have a look at the code in hh kernel, pxa27x_voltage_max158xx.c |
| 16:12.37 | pH5 | the max158xx driver should work if it's on the PWRI2C. not sure what if some clown connected it to the normal i2c. |
| 16:13.06 | pH5 | anyway, that driver should probably be rewritten to use the regulator framework once it hits mainline. |
| 16:13.16 | Alex[sp3dev] | it is on pwri2c, pxa2xx-i2c.1 is pwm_i2c |
| 16:13.30 | pH5 | ah, then you should be fine. |
| 16:15.15 | Alex[sp3dev] | the only thing annoys me. i don`t quite understand the way asusa730_buttons handles i2c buttons...could anyone help? in newer mainline kernels there is a driver for pca953x gpio expanders, will i be able to use those as normal gpio pins with gpio keys driver? |
| 16:15.15 | Marex | pH5: well ;) |
| 16:17.54 | pH5 | Alex[sp3dev]: depends on whether they are just gpio buttons or need some kind of matrix scan. |
| 16:18.17 | Alex[sp3dev] | they are just gpio buttons, not matrix |
| 16:18.25 | pH5 | ~lart git build for failing on various tests |
| 16:18.26 | apt | stamps git build on the forehead with the official Troll marker for failing on various tests |
| 16:19.25 | pH5 | Alex[sp3dev]: does the pca953x have irq triggers for every gpio? |
| 16:19.38 | Alex[sp3dev] | no, one single trigger for all pins |
| 16:21.23 | pH5 | Alex[sp3dev]: no interrupt register? then I'm not sure if it would be best to fake a irqchip in the pca953x driver or to add a new gpio_keys-like driver that doesn't need one irq per gpio. probably the latter. |
| 16:27.01 | Alex[sp3dev] | i am now trying to make it the way it is done in asusa730_buttons.c in hh. the way it is done there - they read pca9535 data, then i2c_data = (~(i2c_data>>8) & 0x1F); i understand the shifting - they are not interested in first 8 pins. but then they do "bits = i2c_data ^ last_i2c_data". the thing i don`t get at all is how they calculated 0x1f' |
| 16:28.59 | pH5 | I don't think hardcoding this is very nice. There sure are other devices that use the same mechanism (gpio buttons on i2c gpio expander with single irq). |
| 16:30.04 | Alex[sp3dev] | actually, it is not nice at all. i will have to go mainline or backport the i2c driver from 2.6.26 - because this expander holds other interesting pins as well |
| 16:30.41 | pH5 | Alex[sp3dev]: my opinion is the same as always: go mainline! :) |
| 16:30.56 | pH5 | good morning mickeyl |
| 16:31.10 | mickeyl | hi pH5 |
| 16:35.44 | Marex | pH5: j/w when I post patches to RMK's patch tracker, where will they appear ? in devel or where ? |
| 16:36.46 | pH5 | Marex: yes. depending on the patch he puts them into the different branches (fixes/pxa/pxa-pwm/etc.) and then merges them together into devel |
| 16:37.12 | Marex | pH5: how often does "then" happen ? ;) |
| 16:38.18 | pH5 | hm, good question. I think once or twice a week. |
| 16:38.23 | pH5 | could be completely wrong though. |
| 16:39.10 | pH5 | mark's ssp changes haven't been merged for quite some time. |
| 16:40.41 | Marex | pH5: ok :) |
| 16:45.01 | Marex | pH5: iirc RMK said something about devel not being synced for some time |
| 16:45.21 | pH5 | yeah, he's not a machine after all |
| 16:49.54 | ginge | ah man, my back garden is flooded. Damn crazy global warming weather. |
| 16:50.10 | ginge | dcordes: I am just uploading the new test android to my phone. Fingers crossed |
| 16:51.14 | ginge | marajin: you covered in about 4 feet of water over there? |
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| 17:02.38 | ginge | dcordes: That works now. I will upload the new setupmodem shortly |
| 17:07.11 | Marex | pH5: still he only has to sit and read mails ... I dont understand how he does it |
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| 17:51.38 | BabelO | je te voix oui |
| 17:51.48 | BabelO | oups :) |
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| 17:55.52 | marajin | ginge: Not far off it :P |
| 17:55.58 | marajin | ginge: It fair pissed it down today |
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| 18:59.18 | dcordes | ginge_: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396782&page=59 |
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| 19:35.29 | cr2 | hi |
| 19:35.32 | pronto | hi |
| 19:35.42 | cr2 | any OOo experts here ? |
| 19:35.56 | pronto | Oo |
| 19:36.51 | cr2 | how do i create itemized list inside the list ? |
| 19:37.30 | pronto | OOo as in openoffice? |
| 19:37.31 | cr2 | wysiwyg is too difficult for me, but latex was not an option here ;) |
| 19:37.34 | cr2 | yes |
| 19:37.39 | cr2 | ooimpress |
| 19:37.49 | pronto | erm, magic :) |
| 19:38.08 | pronto | i use google docs for pretty much everything |
| 19:39.51 | cr2 | ok. |
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| 21:14.39 | dcordes | ginge_: no joy with your updated setupmodem.notsh |
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| 21:22.22 | dcordes | ginge_: same network error in browser |
| 21:25.03 | ginge | dcordes: yeah, not put the script up yet. |
| 21:25.34 | dcordes | oh ok |
| 21:25.38 | dcordes | can you upload it? |
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| 21:41.24 | ginge | preaching to the choir there phocus ;) |
| 21:42.14 | dcordes | ginge: I'm making a ts_cal angstrom image |
| 21:43.14 | phocus | lol |
| 21:43.38 | phocus | anyone get android working on the ppc 6700? |
| 21:49.27 | dcordes | phocus: apache? |
| 21:51.00 | phocus | Android, Google os |
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| 22:00.43 | dcordes | ginge: the OE ts builds somehow lack ts_open which is called when I run ts_calibrate |
| 22:01.18 | ginge | is there is specific error? |
| 22:04.19 | dcordes | ginge: #ts_calibrate |
| 22:04.26 | dcordes | ts_open: No such file or directory |
| 22:05.58 | marajin | phocus: Android isn't an OS really just an interface/layer overlinux, and no we're mostly working on the Kaiser, Vogue and er...mogul? what's the other one? |
| 22:07.28 | ginge | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.33 | ginge | oops :) |
| 22:07.48 | dcordes | ts_open binary is not in the packages OE spits |
| 22:08.02 | dcordes | let me check if the source is fetched |
| 22:08.32 | ginge | yeah |
| 22:08.51 | ginge | I just found this: |
| 22:08.51 | ginge | " Look in the /etc/tslib.conf and uncomment the lines that are right for your model. " |
| 22:18.39 | dcordes | ginge: I fear no line matches our model |
| 22:19.06 | dcordes | I wonder if I cross compile ts_open manually, other binaries will be missing |
| 22:19.11 | ginge | pick one similar? |
| 22:20.38 | dcordes | http://rafb.net/p/NPyr4Z47.html |
| 22:22.00 | ginge | I would think we want to use the event interface, but not sure |
| 22:40.23 | ginge | dcordes: did android data work when you hardcoded the apn into the init1 file? |
| 22:48.02 | ginge | dcordes: check teh setupmodem on my server. It works now. |
| 22:49.06 | dcordes | ginge: ok. now I'm making a new console image |
| 22:49.22 | dcordes | instead of manually putting the stuff in I'll try and let OE do it correctly |
| 22:49.46 | ginge | dcordes: it still locks up in android though. it is actually the same problem I reported several days ago with the data connection. |
| 22:50.07 | ginge | I mean, how many people have actually tested data on android? |
| 22:50.20 | dcordes | I don't know check the forum |
| 22:50.31 | ginge | considering it requires a full image rebuild for the apn, I am guessing none |
| 22:50.44 | ginge | other than people here |
| 22:51.02 | ginge | marajin: you are kaiser, right? |
| 22:51.20 | dcordes | want me to make a new build, upload and announce it in the forum? |
| 22:51.21 | marajin | ginge: Kaiser Wilhelm the Second |
| 22:51.25 | marajin | salutes. |
| 22:51.31 | ginge | lol |
| 22:51.35 | dcordes | :) |
| 22:51.36 | marajin | ginge: Yeah I have a Kaiser and a hermes =) |
| 22:51.47 | ginge | did you try any of the android images with the data connection? |
| 22:52.15 | marajin | nope, I wasn't aware I could yet |
| 22:52.24 | marajin | well without editing the initrd? |
| 22:52.36 | marajin | or do the kernel arguments work now? |
| 22:52.48 | ginge | I just fixed that. Hopefully dcordes will do a new image, if not I can upload mine |
| 22:53.31 | dcordes | why not putting yours if you already have one? |
| 22:53.45 | ginge | I think it still crashes after accessing the data for a while |
| 22:53.53 | marajin | consistency in built options? |
| 22:54.08 | ginge | yeah, and I cant upload to your webspace ;) |
| 22:54.10 | dcordes | I'm busy with the tscal image |
| 22:54.24 | dcordes | ok wait a minute |
| 22:54.25 | marajin | we really don't need 22 different builds except for private testing purposes I figure |
| 22:54.51 | ginge | i'm uploading mine |
| 22:55.11 | ginge | slowly :/ |
| 22:55.28 | marajin | pedal faster! |
| 22:55.50 | ginge | I am already using all the pedal power to cook this egg with a hairdryer |
| 22:55.57 | marajin | hah :P |
| 22:55.58 | dcordes | uploading |
| 22:56.05 | marajin | Send kryten to fix the backup generators |
| 22:56.40 | marajin | I really should sort out perses for compiling images and whatnot and start working myself at some point |
| 22:57.19 | ginge | yeah, its pretty easy. I found a guide somewhere... dcordes can probly supply links :P |
| 22:57.21 | dcordes | apply for a job at openhand, marajin |
| 22:57.33 | marajin | at who what now? |
| 22:57.44 | ginge | openhand? is that some jibe at scrounging from the government? |
| 22:58.01 | marajin | I think it's probably a german thing to do with open mobile platforms |
| 22:58.10 | marajin | they call mobiles "handys" |
| 22:58.26 | ginge | oh yeah, I saw that on QI |
| 22:58.45 | marajin | I had a german GF for a while so kinda already knew long before QI existed |
| 22:59.03 | ginge | gets all info from QI and the internet |
| 22:59.06 | dcordes | http://o-hand.com/ |
| 22:59.07 | marajin | hah :) |
| 22:59.14 | marajin | QI /is/ good though |
| 22:59.25 | marajin | can't wait for the next season |
| 22:59.30 | marajin | and mock the week |
| 22:59.42 | ginge | yup |
| 22:59.50 | dcordes | what's QI? |
| 23:00.06 | marajin | dcordes: It is a british TV show called QI (for QUite Interesting) |
| 23:00.41 | dcordes | http://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/android-data.bin |
| 23:00.43 | marajin | dcordes: They have several famous people on as guests for each show and they are asked questions that people generally won't know or think they know but are commonly wrong. |
| 23:00.50 | ginge | wow your upload is good |
| 23:01.02 | ginge | 81% |
| 23:01.05 | marajin | dcordes: They give points out more for being interesting rather than being correct though. |
| 23:01.10 | dcordes | 100K I've got |
| 23:01.12 | marajin | dcordes: Once the audience won.. |
| 23:01.21 | marajin | dcordes: And once the guy who asks the questions lost |
| 23:01.30 | ginge | 50 megabit per second down, 1bit per year up :/ |
| 23:01.42 | marajin | ginge: Hah :) I get er 1.6Mbps =) |
| 23:01.53 | ginge | virgin media, remember ;) |
| 23:01.53 | dcordes | and they had a german person in the show with a cell phone? |
| 23:02.05 | ginge | no, it was a "quite interesting" fact |
| 23:02.09 | marajin | dcordes: No no, they just mentioned that germans call them a 'handy' |
| 23:02.37 | marajin | Heh, could you imagine a stereotypical german on QI? |
| 23:02.42 | marajin | they'd be so lost -.- |
| 23:02.53 | marajin | I've met germans nowadays with a good grasp of sarcasm even but heh |
| 23:03.10 | ginge | marajin: ok, mine uploaded too :) fwiw http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/files/android/initrd-android.cpio.gz |
| 23:03.22 | marajin | Cultural differences would completely destroy their grasp of the humour I think |
| 23:04.06 | marajin | right, I'll do some tests in a minute, but first, pizza must be had |
| 23:04.13 | ginge | mmmm pizza |
| 23:04.29 | marajin | dcordes: Oh and if you're bored enough you'll find a lot of the shows on youtube by searching "quite interesting" |
| 23:04.31 | dcordes | ginge: did you test yours yourself? |
| 23:04.45 | ginge | yes, worked this time |
| 23:04.57 | ginge | I forgot to prepend the string with busybox |
| 23:05.44 | dcordes | the one I uploaded is basically dzo's latest with your init* files and setupmodem.sh |
| 23:06.10 | ginge | ok, same as mine then |
| 23:09.59 | marajin | ok back |
| 23:12.08 | dcordes | they talk too fast and british for me to understand |
| 23:13.01 | marajin | dcordes: yeah, that's my point, and even if you knew the words I'm not sure you'd understand them sometimes |
| 23:13.46 | marajin | Does germany have any similar TV shows I wonder |
| 23:14.33 | dcordes | they say of the acropolis |
| 23:15.09 | marajin | of that the name of the show? |
| 23:15.56 | dcordes | marajin: I'm not quite getting the point in what they do |
| 23:16.14 | marajin | dcordes: They're sarcastic and er. "take the piss" a lot.. |
| 23:16.26 | dcordes | they take the piss? |
| 23:16.34 | marajin | yeah I was trying to think of how to explain that |
| 23:16.47 | marajin | getting anyone outside the UK to understand "taking the piss"... not easy |
| 23:17.00 | ginge | poking fun |
| 23:17.08 | dcordes | to mock someone |
| 23:17.16 | marajin | well if you want to oversimply it yeah |
| 23:17.30 | dcordes | To greedily demand an unreasonable effort or price. |
| 23:17.33 | ginge | in a friendly way, in jest |
| 23:18.37 | marajin | yeah. It involves taking advantage of literalness and people not understanding sarcasm, or of making unrealistic demands, or just plain being mocking.. it means a lot of things |
| 23:18.54 | marajin | anyway |
| 23:19.21 | marajin | Basically it's 90% them being comedians and 9% them getting the questions wrong and being told the true answer |
| 23:19.42 | marajin | and the last 1% is just randomness |
| 23:19.56 | ginge | marajin: if you want to test you need the latest zimage, the new android image, and the following in the "set cmdline" field in default.txt: ppp.username=yourusername ppp.pass=password ppp.apn=youraccesspoint |
| 23:20.24 | marajin | ohyeah, that was what I meant to ask before I was trying to think how to explain take the piss :P |
| 23:21.27 | ginge | I need to know if android crashes for anyone other than me |
| 23:21.30 | marajin | ... what's the difference between zImage and zImage.bin btw? |
| 23:22.13 | dcordes | google is taking the piss out of android users, not including a terminal application into the builds |
| 23:22.15 | ginge | I think dcordes renamed them so the webserver didnt serve plaintext |
| 23:22.17 | marajin | Nothing, I guess |
| 23:22.23 | marajin | dcordes: Haha, very true |
| 23:22.32 | dcordes | was that applied correctly? |
| 23:22.35 | marajin | ginge: ...wget ftw |
| 23:22.37 | marajin | dcordes: Yep |
| 23:22.47 | ginge | yeah. try telling a newb that ;) |
| 23:22.57 | marajin | ginge: rightio |
| 23:23.03 | marajin | Newbies! Use wget! kthxbye! |
| 23:23.14 | marajin | I can tell them, what you mean is try getting a newb to understand that ;) |
| 23:23.18 | dcordes | right I put the .bin because of people kept complaining their webbrowsers would not download them but display the files as text |
| 23:23.30 | marajin | muppets can't right click and save as? |
| 23:23.38 | ginge | dcordes: I don't think it is google's fault. It's not exactly like we are using like it is intended |
| 23:23.57 | marajin | ginge: It would have been handy even on the emulator so actully, he's got a point |
| 23:23.59 | dcordes | yea of course I talked about this in #android |
| 23:24.04 | dcordes | terminal? what's that? |
| 23:24.17 | ginge | dcordes: Also, if we ever get a connection over usb/wifi/bluetooth you can telnet into a shell from port 4321 onwards |
| 23:24.39 | dcordes | somebody said there was one, but it would be useless since android ui is ran in some strange usermode |
| 23:24.45 | ginge | marajin: the emulator opens ports to a shell |
| 23:24.52 | marajin | ginge: Oh, coolio :) |
| 23:25.11 | ginge | same with the emulator |
| 23:25.25 | ginge | ohm I just said that |
| 23:25.32 | ginge | needs sleep |
| 23:25.37 | marajin | hah :P |
| 23:25.41 | marajin | or caffeine |
| 23:25.45 | dcordes | oh my new console-image build has finished |
| 23:25.49 | marajin | yay |
| 23:26.05 | ginge | my kettle broke and I have to boil water on my electric hob. I timed it boiling 1 cup of water at 19 minutes from cold |
| 23:26.07 | marajin | is copying dcordes data build + the latest zImage.bin to his kaiser. |
| 23:26.17 | dcordes | cd thckaiser |
| 23:26.23 | marajin | ginge: ...microwave it dude for gods sake |
| 23:26.31 | marajin | ginge: 2 minutes at extreme max |
| 23:26.31 | ginge | shit never thought of that |
| 23:26.33 | ginge | how long for? |
| 23:26.35 | ginge | ok |
| 23:26.46 | marajin | ginge: try 1 minute, check temp, do another minute if needed |
| 23:27.00 | marajin | unless you have a megalithic cup 2 minutes is the max needed |
| 23:27.12 | marajin | and obviously microwave just plain water :P |
| 23:27.12 | ginge | wow. its always the simple things that truly impress me. Thanks :) |
| 23:27.59 | marajin | gee thanks :P Marajin, king of the saying simple things in IRC. |
| 23:28.20 | ginge | you know what I mean :P |
| 23:28.29 | marajin | yeah I know what you mean! |
| 23:28.35 | marajin | puts on his cone hat with the d |
| 23:28.42 | marajin | /s/d/D/ |
| 23:28.52 | marajin | bot can't do mes huh? :P |
| 23:28.53 | ginge | bows his head in shame |
| 23:30.06 | ginge | I just love super simple solutions. The elegance etc. |
| 23:31.09 | marajin | I just love waiting 19 minutes to boil a cup of water :P |
| 23:31.47 | ginge | âMaking the simple complicated is commonplace; making the complicated simple, awesomely simple, that's creativity.â |
| 23:32.04 | marajin | shameful you mean? ;) |
| 23:32.32 | marajin | Nah I know where you're coming from, sometimes you get so used to dealing with the complex, you forget how to do simple |
| 23:32.41 | ginge | exactly |
| 23:32.58 | ginge | then when you discover simple, it blows you away |
| 23:33.00 | marajin | Man the things I've solderd and wired together |
| 23:33.15 | marajin | and then thought "....or I could just put these two wires there and the whole thing was pointles.." |
| 23:33.56 | ginge | yeah, I know what you mean. I went though several years of that while building a robot. |
| 23:35.03 | marajin | I'm a bugger for hack-fixing things with elaborate solutions when splicing one or two wires would be fine |
| 23:35.20 | ginge | I am just a bugger for fixing things are not broken |
| 23:35.21 | marajin | I don't feel right throwing anything out till I've soldered half of it into a lump :p |
| 23:35.27 | ginge | lol |
| 23:35.31 | ginge | http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/image/robot/minirob/dsc00608.jpg |
| 23:35.41 | marajin | dude you should see the inside of a Wii I was playing with :P |
| 23:35.50 | marajin | I fixed the motherfucker too |
| 23:35.56 | ginge | wow |
| 23:36.11 | ginge | never seen inside the wii. I dare not open mine |
| 23:36.35 | marajin | then gave it to my friend and bought a new one because the one I fixed was fine for authentic discs but chipping it would have needed me to solder to the legs of an IC |
| 23:36.37 | ginge | I have what is known in the electronics world as the "electrical touch of death" |
| 23:37.14 | marajin | heh |
| 23:38.08 | marajin | yeah well soldering stuff to a GF7900GT or inside the wii can get fun trust me |
| 23:38.34 | marajin | soldering surface mount stuff is a /BITCH/ |
| 23:38.41 | marajin | and I'm not super steady handed myself |
| 23:38.42 | ginge | hmm. Kicker crashed about a week ago, and is still in the process of crashing out.the taskbar has finally just closed |
| 23:38.52 | marajin | ... |
| 23:38.54 | marajin | rofl |
| 23:38.56 | ginge | surface mount is really easy with a bread toaster |
| 23:39.03 | marajin | heh |
| 23:39.11 | marajin | GF7900s do not fit in bread toasters |
| 23:39.25 | marajin | also I was not going to put a then 250 pound graphics card into a toaster |
| 23:39.35 | ginge | you need a hot air solering gun mod. Soldering iron + fish tank pump |
| 23:39.55 | marajin | I did succeed man, it's just nerve-wracking :P |
| 23:40.01 | ginge | :) |
| 23:41.34 | marajin | right booting android-data |
| 23:41.41 | ginge | now the kernel just oopsed. I wonder how long I can keep this running in a severly crippled state. Who needs usb or a taskbar |
| 23:42.15 | marajin | You can take our USB, you can take our taskbar, but you can never take our geekdoooooom! |
| 23:42.33 | marajin | ...shit I have a G icon and a signal indicator O.O |
| 23:42.35 | ginge | as soon as kicker finished crashing I can at least relaunch it |
| 23:42.47 | ginge | good sign! |
| 23:43.40 | marajin | maps doesn't seem to load anything and browser says unknown host tho' |
| 23:43.56 | ginge | hmm. apn right inthe kernel? |
| 23:44.10 | marajin | I think so, I'm trying to remember the o2 settings |
| 23:44.33 | marajin | I gather android doesn't do G/E/3G/H icons (yet) ? |
| 23:44.38 | marajin | I should have E here |
| 23:44.41 | ginge | APN address: mobile.o2.co.ukUsername: mobilewebPassword: password |
| 23:44.46 | ginge | ? |
| 23:44.59 | marajin | hmm ah I think I may have put .com, d'oh |
| 23:45.01 | marajin | one sec |
| 23:45.54 | ginge | dont know about the G E etc. i don't know if we can even switch into anything but GRPS. |
| 23:47.34 | marajin | booting into android again |
| 23:47.42 | marajin | I should check if calls are defucked to |
| 23:48.36 | marajin | that's doing something, my headset is buzzing |
| 23:49.14 | marajin | 'Oops the network seems to be down" followed by it seemed to freeze |
| 23:49.25 | ginge | doing what? |
| 23:49.33 | marajin | opening maps |
| 23:49.39 | marajin | also the G icon looks greyed =/ |
| 23:49.55 | marajin | Nope it's well jammed |
| 23:49.59 | ginge | how bizarre. are you using the dcordes build, or mine |
| 23:50.12 | ginge | android crashes a lot. irritatingly the kernel is fine. |
| 23:50.27 | marajin | dcordes |
| 23:50.44 | ginge | ill try it |
| 23:50.48 | marajin | I'm fairly sure it should be able tomaintain a GPRS/EDGE signal here. |
| 23:51.27 | marajin | but yeah, I crashed the emulator at least 4 times in 20 minutes of playing |
| 23:52.14 | marajin | I don't need to do anyting special in WM before booting android right? |
| 23:52.26 | ginge | no |
| 23:52.32 | marajin | ...whoa, deja vu.. scary... really scary deja vu |
| 23:52.36 | ginge | at least I dont |
| 23:52.44 | marajin | I think I just quad deja vu'd |
| 23:54.02 | ginge | try the browser before maps |
| 23:54.22 | marajin | I think it's trying to connect to GPRS but failing. the buzz disappears after a short while =/ |
| 23:55.40 | ginge | syync |
| 23:55.57 | marajin | yeah but then it just says network error |
| 23:56.04 | ginge | not only was that the wrong window, but I spelled it properly |
| 23:56.12 | marajin | Oh, hang on, one last thing to try |
| 23:56.15 | ginge | s/properly/improperly/ |
| 23:57.12 | ginge | going to try the dcordes image now |
| 23:57.17 | marajin | ...nope, grey G with no buzz and "unknown host" |
| 23:59.05 | ginge | booting... same as yours. |
| 23:59.12 | ginge | try my image |
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| 23:59.46 | ginge | confirmed dcordes image doesn't want to let me on |
