IRC log for #htc-linux on 20080706

00:00.00dcordeseffbiai: could you make a dump mmu on niki?
00:01.08effbiaiif you tell me how=)
00:01.53dcordeseffbiai: ie get http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haretconsole-20071216.tar.gz extract it on your python enabled linux pc, then ./console <niki_ip>, then dump mmu
00:02.25dcordesmake sure you set your wifi powerstate to performance (on kaiser it's a pita in battery mode)
00:04.40marajindcordes: Works ok on mine in save mode but I usually set to performance anyway
00:06.05dcordesmarajin: in haretconsole the commands don't quite arrive when I'm in save
00:06.47effbiaidcordes: htc touch dual doesnt have wifi
00:07.05dcordesok
00:07.10dcordesuse usbnet
00:07.14effbiairoger
00:07.27effbiaiie ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ?
00:07.36dcordesno sé
00:08.11effbiai..and i need to figure how to set an ip on the htc :x
00:08.41dcordesI've always been lazy to make usbnet work
00:09.01dcordescan't help you on that one
00:09.10effbiaii'll try to figure a way
00:09.16dcordesok
00:12.44effbiaiusb 3-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4
00:12.44effbiaiusb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
00:12.44effbiaiipaq 3-2:1.0: PocketPC PDA converter detected
00:12.44effbiaiusb 3-2: PocketPC PDA converter now attached to ttyUSB0
00:12.52effbiaiatleast i've got some signals :>
00:13.12cr2dcordes: é <- different way
00:13.20effbiaistrange it detects it as a ipaq
00:13.26cr2ah. it's right :)
00:13.47marajineffbiai: well that's just them not renaming the driver stuff when it became generic
00:14.00effbiaiah
00:16.44dcordescr2: what do you mean?
00:17.26cr2é
00:18.00dcordescr2: what about it?
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00:18.59cr2i need it in the street name
00:20.52dcordescr2: what street name?
00:23.06cr2osm
00:24.07cr2java sucks. can't copy and paste the é. good night.
00:24.23dcordesnow I got it sorry
00:24.30dcordesè grave?
00:25.17cr2yes
00:25.28dcordeson my keymap it is <shitf>+<´> <e>
00:25.46cr2ok.
00:26.01dcordeson what java client are you?
00:27.58effbiaiokay.. i got this when connecting the htc:
00:28.00effbiaiJul  6 02:26:27 Trude kernel: eth1: register 'rndis_host' at usb-0000:00:1d.1-2, RNDIS device, 80:00:60:0f:e8:00
00:28.08effbiaitherefore i did; ifconfig eth1 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
00:28.18effbiaiand got Jul  6 02:26:34 Trude avahi-daemon[1590]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface eth1.IPv4 with address 192.168.0.200.
00:28.20dcordesrndis is what you want I guess
00:28.35effbiaistill.. i can't figure a way to specify a ip on the htc
00:29.34dcordesI don't really know how that works. there is synce but I think you can also connect without it
00:29.48dcordesat least I know dzo uses usbnet on vogue w/o synce
00:29.58effbiaik
00:30.17effbiairndis==Remote NDIS. rite?
00:32.05effbiaihttp://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/network/ndis/rmndis.mspx
00:32.07effbiaigotcha!
01:00.20effbiaidcordes: okay.. i got connected to the htc via telnet and i also managed to dum mmu. tho that's ALOT of information. what are you searching for?
01:03.19dcordeseffbiai: all conversation with console is logged in console dir
01:03.21dcordesharetlog*
01:03.40dcordesyour mmu dump should be in there. can upload / email / paste?
01:05.25effbiaithe problem is i couldn't get the usb net to work with the linux laptop. therefore i used a windows machine with putty telnet.
01:05.37effbiaii'll check if there's a log function in putty
01:08.40effbiaigot it, jsut a sec
01:09.39effbiaihttp://tor.tendit.no/haret.log
01:37.59marajineffbiai: You killed dcordes, you bastard!!! :p
01:38.16effbiaihehe
01:38.22effbiaiwith a damn long logfile! :>
01:39.04marajinyep!
04:33.49marajinhmm
04:35.21prontomoo.
04:38.00marajinhey pronto
04:43.45prontohey
04:45.37marajinhmm wow, my network shares seem to be loading noteably faster with this new rom, how odd
04:45.51marajineffbiai: Stil alive there?
04:51.58marajinginge: Ping?
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04:54.33CPressHello All.
04:55.23prontohi CPress
04:58.23CPressWhat's new with you guys tonight? Anything exciting?
04:58.57prontonope not really
04:59.59marajinI'm just trying to work out how to get the android globe to quit on my Kaiser, looks like the keymapping is borked
05:00.21prontoheh
05:00.29prontoi also has kaiser :)
05:00.34prontoi think O
05:00.35prontooO
05:00.40marajinheh
05:00.42marajinyou think? :P
05:01.02prontothe one that tilts?
05:01.07marajinthat's the kaiser yep
05:01.21prontoindeed thats what i have
05:01.28marajinwell theoretically it could be the shift but I doubt you have one of those :P
05:01.28prontoi also have some other one
05:01.37prontoits the um... hrm
05:01.45prontowizard!
05:01.53marajinOh, old school ;)
05:02.08CPressYeah, Def.
05:02.29prontothe touch screen in my wizard stoped working in the middle
05:02.30prontolol
05:03.45marajinsad isn't it? "old school"
05:03.51marajinit's like 3 years old max
05:04.06marajineven the kaiser is superceded now
05:04.31marajinand it's only some months old really
05:04.41prontolol
05:04.51marajinIt was only released er.. late 2007 I think
05:05.06prontokaiser is my 3rd cell phone, lol
05:05.27marajinit's my 2nd PDA-phone, I have no idea what count it is on actual phones
05:05.37prontoheh
05:05.45prontoits my 3rd phone total
05:06.26marajinI've had ... hmm, some ancient sony thing, a ericsson brick... a nokia 3110, 3210, 8210, 3310, 6600, Samsung X820...
05:06.31pronto:o
05:06.50marajinthen I got a HTC Hermes (TyTn) and then the Kaiser (TyTn 2)
05:07.15prontoi had the nextel i860 , wizard , and now the kaiser
05:07.42marajinmeanwhile I've aaaalso had...  two sony clies, a Palm Tungsten T3, a Palm LifeDrive and a hp RX3715
05:07.47prontowow
05:07.48prontolol
05:07.49marajinactually technically I had 3 clies
05:08.05prontoheh
05:08.08marajinbut one was just a replacement of same model when I smashed the screen on it
05:08.29prontoi have the toshiba gigabeat f20 runining rock box :P
05:09.46marajinWell, I've had.. an Archos Jukebox .. what's the old thing that rockbox supports?, followed by an AV380 (yay video recording and playback), an iRiver iHP-120 and an iPod Classic 80G
05:09.54marajinonlycounting harddrive players
05:09.59marajinthe iRiver also ran rockbox
05:10.02prontodude >.<
05:10.08prontowhat the fuck
05:10.13prontoyou have to much money :P
05:10.19marajinLife long geek
05:10.36marajinI swear, clothing and food are the only things I pay for besides geek toys :P
05:11.08marajinalso that list is spread across a decade more or less
05:11.15prontooh
05:11.29marajinwell, maybe 8 yers
05:11.31marajin*years
05:11.31marajinheh
05:11.36marajinapart from the phones
05:11.59prontoheh
05:12.13marajinphones technically go back er...12+ years
05:13.06marajinAs you can see I used to be a palm fan but got annoyed with them ~ 2005
05:13.23pronto:P
05:14.37marajinI kinda ended up going "for gods sake update your system to something modern >.<"
05:14.53marajinnot much RAM on those devices either
05:14.57pronto:P'
05:15.07marajinthe lifedrive had 32MB total and you were only allowed to use 6.5MB of that
05:15.22prontoOo
05:15.24prontowtf
05:15.29marajinsrsly
05:15.41pronto<PROTECTED>
05:16.00marajinPalm Tungsten Lifedrive.. it was a PDA with a 4GB drive inside it
05:16.16pronto:o my god 4gb!
05:16.28prontowhile my minisd card is 4gb Oo
05:16.32marajinheh
05:16.42marajinyeah it had 4GB internal AND an SD card reader tho'
05:16.49pronto:o
05:16.58prontonow thats what im talking about
05:17.06prontothe kaiser has crap inside
05:17.19marajinI think some of the newer HTCs are going to have 4GB internal
05:17.21prontoat least you can get sd cards for mad cheap anymore
05:17.27marajinthere's a PDA somewhere that has 20GB too
05:17.31prontoheh
05:17.40marajinno shit, I paid like 14 for a 4GB MicroSDHC card
05:18.13pronto:o
05:18.38prontoi paid $26   , but that includes $5 shipping
05:18.44marajinI want the Raphael
05:18.49prontolink?
05:18.56marajin(I'm english, that means 28 dollars but we're better paid)
05:19.04marajinhttp://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1306
05:19.15pronto:o *drool*
05:19.24marajin288MB of RAM and a vga screen baby!
05:19.41prontojust needs a 1GHz proc now!
05:19.43pronto>.>
05:19.49marajinheh
05:19.51marajinit's 600 I think
05:19.56marajinor 52
05:19.57pronto528
05:19.59marajin*528
05:20.00marajinyeah
05:20.08marajin528, what an arbitrary number
05:20.08marajinheh
05:20.12pronto:P
05:20.23prontoits most likely a 500mhz they OC'd to make look better :P
05:20.30marajinit has the A chipset tho'
05:20.36prontoOo
05:20.45prontoAudio Output: Proprietary
05:20.46marajinpronto: Nah, all the devices with that chipset are 400 or 528
05:20.56marajinpronto: Same extended USB as the kaiser
05:21.00prontoi fucking hate that
05:21.03marajinwhy?
05:21.05prontoi make my own converter though
05:21.13marajinIt's annoying i you want to charge while using the headset
05:21.18marajinbut otherwise it's ok
05:21.23prontoi like to use my headphones
05:21.26prontomy own
05:21.34marajinyou didn't get the headphone adapter with your kaiser?
05:21.41prontono?
05:21.42marajinMine CAME with one that adapts to a 3.5mm plug
05:21.45pronto:|
05:21.47prontowtf
05:21.51prontothe one i made kinda sucks
05:21.52marajineven has an inline controller
05:22.18marajinMicrophone + call begin/end buttons + play/pause + volume
05:22.37pronto:|
05:22.43prontothe fuck i never got one
05:22.54marajinmaybe the tilt doesn't come with it?
05:22.58marajinbut mine just had it in the box
05:23.04prontoat&t are assholes
05:23.10prontodon't even get a front camera
05:23.24marajinwell you can't video call anyway so why d'ya want afront camera?
05:23.30pronto... to have one
05:23.37marajinheh
05:23.40marajinthat you can't use ANYWAY?
05:23.53marajinexcept to take extremely bad video/photos of yourself?
05:24.00marajinor as a overly complex mirror
05:24.03pronto:)
05:24.12prontothe complex mirror
05:24.18marajin... Actually yeah, I do that
05:24.21prontousing three mirrors so im not reversed
05:24.27prontoor what ever
05:24.32marajinhuh?
05:24.34pronto>.>
05:24.35pronto<.<
05:24.37prontopotatoes!
05:24.38marajinOh it auto mirrors
05:24.40marajinheh
05:24.52prontoi like that panorama feature on it
05:24.54marajinNo it just does that on its own
05:24.54prontopretty neat
05:25.06marajinyou don't need to do anything to it to get the image not reversed
05:25.14prontoumm thats no fun :P
05:25.59prontoeh this is annoying i should be getting 20/5 mbit internet yet it only gets 15/2
05:26.14marajincontention FTW :P
05:26.30prontolol
05:27.34marajindidn't know you actually had internet that tolerable over there :P
05:27.53prontolol
05:27.58prontoverizion FIOS
05:28.26marajinah fios
05:28.28marajinwoot
05:28.36marajinexcept we get ADSL2 as good as that here :P
05:28.44pronto:P
05:29.28prontosome other ISP here is providing 100mbit lines to aparment complixes
05:29.47marajinnext year we get that to any residential
05:29.56prontoengland?
05:29.58marajinonly 50Mbit this year tho'
05:29.59marajinyeah
05:30.04prontoheh
05:36.15marajinTBH I only have 20/1.6
05:36.21marajinbut WFM
05:36.27marajinI get what it says on the tin
05:36.28marajinand it's cheap
05:36.31marajinand I even got a static IP
05:36.50pronto:o
05:37.04prontobrb, grabbing another mt.dew
05:37.13marajinmmmm caffeine
05:37.18prontommm
05:37.22pronto+m
05:38.26marajinBy day, he's just a normal kid but at night... **psssht... glugglugglugglugglug.... Bing!** He's SuperGeek! Harnessing the awesome power of legal stimulants he can code with the strength of 10 men!
05:40.10prontoback
05:41.10pronto( Uptime ) 4 days, 23 hours 22 minutes [ Record: 5d 4h 14m 40s ] | Users: 20 | Load: 0.16, 0.25, 0.42
05:41.15pronto:O
05:41.17pronto42! woo
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05:41.57prontowaiiit
05:42.02prontodoes that say 20 users
05:42.06prontothe hell >.<
05:44.23marajinheh
05:44.34prontoodd
05:44.37prontothey are all me
05:44.45marajin<PROTECTED>
05:44.48marajinahem =)
05:44.54prontolol
05:45.07prontoi boot into windows every so often for pc games
05:45.24marajinyeah I just have 3 computers
05:45.32prontoheh
05:45.42prontoso lemme guess thats your file server
05:46.13pronto(Mem):[964/2075M [||||||||||]]
05:46.17pronto:o
05:46.22prontothats alot being used
05:46.31marajinyeah it is
05:46.42prontooh firefox and amarok
05:46.48marajin2TB and a quad xeon of doom!
05:46.51prontolol
05:46.51pronto:P
05:46.57marajinthe board'll slot two quad xeons actually
05:47.18prontoheh
05:48.15prontohttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151089 get that
05:48.28prontoCPU Socket Type Quad 1207(F)
05:48.29prontoCPU TypeQuad AMD Opteron
05:48.38pronto:P
05:49.03marajinwhy would I want 4 quads? I don't use 2 quads
05:49.10prontobragging rights?
05:49.17marajinmy wallet is empty
05:49.32marajinBragging rights come with cash
05:49.33prontoget like 10 of them for distributed computing :o
05:49.37prontololyeah
05:49.43marajinand a quad xeon + 2TB is braggable enough
05:49.46pronto:P
05:49.53marajintho' I do want to get 6x1TB drives..
05:49.58prontoheh
05:50.06marajinbut I haven't got 2000 USD to blow ya know
05:50.10pronto:P
05:50.23marajinand I ain't buying it on credit
05:50.30pronto:P
05:50.50prontobtw its like 200more days of our great leader!
05:50.53pronto>.>
05:51.00marajinmm?
05:51.09prontobush is out of office in less the 200 days
05:51.11marajinMonsieur le fuquewit ?
05:51.13prontodances
05:51.14marajinyeah
05:51.14marajinheh
05:51.19marajinproblem is
05:51.26marajinall your candidates are tossers too!
05:51.33pronto:P
05:51.36marajinadmittedly probably not bush level of tossery but still
05:51.51prontoout of process of elemation i choose obama
05:52.01marajinwell he's the least tossery
05:52.06prontoi HATE mmcain , and HATE hillary
05:52.17prontoand ron paul no one is gonna vote
05:52.33marajinMcCain'll win on the conservative america voters I reckon
05:52.40marajinthough I'd rather obama did
05:52.51prontoif so im happy im 18, becasue i wouild so move out of country
05:53.24prontothough i dont have the money to :\
05:53.24prontosigh
05:53.24marajinDo what the rest of us do, make shit up =)
05:53.24prontolol
05:53.42marajinI feel sorry for our current prime minister actually
05:53.54marajinbasically the whole of the population as a general policy plain ignore him
05:54.04marajinhe doesn't even get the dignity of hatred
05:54.14marajinhe just gets ignored and periodically idly mockd
05:54.18prontoheh
05:54.27marajinwe have more fun ragging on bush :p
05:54.40prontolol
05:55.28prontolots of .. *OMG HE IS CREEPY LOOKING* ... made money of doing that
05:55.41pronto(i wiki'd british prime minister
05:55.47prontogordon brown >.<
05:55.49prontoeh
05:55.56prontohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GordonBrown2004.JPG
05:56.15prontolooks like he was in to many bar fights in his youth
05:56.36marajinhe's funny on camera, he scowls all the time but when he knows the camera's on he does a really forced smile
05:56.47marajinand then when he thinks its off, back to the scowl
05:56.50prontolmao
05:56.53marajinbut he always gets it wrong!
05:57.03marajinand starts scowling when the cameras are still on him
05:57.29marajinThat's prolly one of his best photos :P
05:57.34pronto:P
05:57.37marajinhe only became prime minister because the last one resigne
05:57.37marajind
05:57.42pronto:o
05:57.49prontowahst that blair?
05:57.54prontoor does he do something else
05:58.17prontoi sleep in class when they went over UK politiics and such
05:58.21prontoslept*
05:58.34marajinit was blair yep
05:58.36marajinblair was ok
05:58.45prontoi know that because of movies :P
05:59.00marajinthey were cruel to him about iraq and whatnot but I think he did his best to control bush's arsetardery
05:59.23marajinand he was certainly a better public speaker than bush :P
05:59.31prontoumm anyone is
05:59.45prontoeven people with IQ of 60 can do better the bush
06:00.03pronto"lets ..uh.. stay ..uh... the course!..uhh
06:00.49marajinheh :P
06:00.51marajintrue
06:01.00marajinbut he made bush seem worse
06:01.17marajinhe'd say something slick with fairly good diction and vocabulary
06:01.22marajinand bush'd just look puzzled
06:01.28pronto:)
06:01.36pronto(Mem):[751/2075M [||||||||||]]
06:01.42prontohrm
06:02.44marajinthat load average of mine was firefox apparently heh, it's down to 0.78 now
06:02.55prontoi killed firefox
06:02.55prontolol
06:03.20prontopronto   pts/1        2008-07-03 00:28 (:0.0)
06:03.20prontopronto   pts/2        2008-07-03 21:31 (:0.0)
06:03.20prontopronto   pts/3        2008-07-03 23:21 (:0.0)
06:03.20prontopronto   pts/4        2008-07-04 02:57 (:0.0)
06:03.23prontohow would i kill those
06:03.25prontousers
06:03.25marajinI wish they'd get back to bugfixing instead of messing about with FF3 andshit
06:03.31prontoheh
06:03.36prontoi use ff3
06:03.40marajinum, you're probably using those logins
06:03.50prontonah i was something stupid i did three days ago
06:03.55prontosomething with VNC
06:04.06prontomessed up
06:04.20marajinah
06:04.23marajinuses NX
06:04.29prontoheh
06:04.36marajinworks better :P
06:04.48prontoi was trying to get my phone to view my computer >
06:04.49pronto>.>
06:04.54marajinah
06:05.00marajinVNC on windows mobile is painful
06:05.01prontois listening to Kiss - Star Spangled Banner
06:05.02prontoxD
06:05.03marajinRDP works nicely though
06:05.06prontowtf kss
06:05.07prontokiss
06:05.09prontowtf >.<
06:05.16prontoreally?
06:05.19marajinyeah
06:05.25marajinI use RDP to my vista box all the time
06:05.27marajinworks great
06:05.36marajineven pipes sound to my phone
06:05.37prontofrom your kaiser?
06:05.42pronto:o
06:05.48prontoadds taht to notes
06:06.24marajinI think it may be possible to get to a KDE install via RDP, I think their remote desktop supports it but don't hold me to that
06:06.41prontoheh
06:06.43marajinbut I doubt KDE'll route sound to the phone.. but yeah works on XP/Vista
06:06.51prontoi dont use kde though :P
06:07.04marajinwell there are RDP things for linux anyway I'm fairly sure
06:07.09marajinbut they may be client onl
06:07.09prontoheh
06:07.09marajiny
06:07.17marajinLike I said, I use NX
06:07.22prontoi do have kde installed, so i can use amarok
06:07.32prontoat least enough of it to use amarok
06:07.55marajinheh :P
06:08.06marajinwell KDE > Gnome anyway ;)
06:08.11pronto:P
06:08.15prontoxfce > all
06:08.16marajinI used to like using blackbox and iceWM
06:08.25marajinXFCE's nice tis true
06:08.37prontoi used something like blackbox or icewm
06:08.44prontodidn't really like it
06:08.47marajinI mostly like KDE cause you can count on it to just do really about anything
06:08.55prontoheh
06:09.03marajinit's huge and whatnot
06:09.08marajinbut I have the hardware to spare
06:09.23prontoi hate kde4, its to vista like for me
06:09.29marajinand it's customizable enough to get it to behave how I want
06:09.36marajin4 is just broken at the moment anyway
06:09.42marajinI tried using it on my laptop
06:09.46prontoisnt' 4.1 coming out soon?
06:09.48marajinand then went "...fuck. that."
06:10.21prontohttp://pronto185.com/linux/screens/screens.html :)
06:10.24marajinmy laptop has a GF7600 and the KDE4 graphical stuff doesn't even work ok
06:10.29prontoheh
06:11.03pronto(Graphics):[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8800 GT (rev a2] (XOrg):[1.4.0.90] (Res):[1680x1050] (Bits):[24]
06:11.12marajinMy desktop's an 8800GT
06:11.21pronto:)
06:11.39pronto(CPU): Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.80GHz: (Frequency): 3814.710MHz: (Cache): 2048 KB: (Bogomips): 7635.81
06:11.51prontoi OC by 14Mhz :P
06:13.23marajinO.o
06:13.30marajinwhy bother? :P
06:13.35marajinit's a pentootium 4 for gods sake
06:14.05prontofor a while o downclocked to 2ghz, then when i deiced to go back i couldnt get the multiplier exactly right
06:14.12prontoand it was close enough
06:14.19marajinpoints at perses "Bogomips: 29420.1"
06:14.22marajin:D
06:14.28prontonot quite sure what that is
06:14.28prontolol
06:14.44marajinBillions Of Generated Machine Instructions Per Second
06:14.47marajinI think
06:14.58marajinit's a completely unrealistic benchmark figure
06:15.10marajinI remember a P4 2.4 had about 4800
06:15.27prontoneat :)
06:15.53prontoan unscientific measurement of CPU speed
06:15.54prontolol
06:16.33marajinscientific, just unrealistic
06:16.51prontoedits the wiki page, citing this as a source
06:17.00marajinmeep?
06:17.08prontohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips
06:17.25marajinDon't quote me, I don't want harassing by tards
06:17.44prontolol
06:19.26prontoso i just starting using last.fm again
06:19.49marajinI only use my local Mp3s :P
06:19.54prontosigh
06:20.09prontoLast.fm is a service that keeps track of what music you listen to, and then produces a large number of features personalised to you.
06:20.09prontoYou can use Last.fm to listen to music, find out about artists you may like, other people with similar music taste, gigs in your local area, charts and quilts for your personal site, as well as much more.
06:20.14prontonot internet radio
06:20.50marajinI still only use my local mp3s and without any tracking
06:20.54pronto:P
06:21.08marajin64GB of music is enough I don't need recommendation ya know
06:21.18prontolol
06:21.28prontoyou got any cab calloway ?
06:21.36marajinNo idea :P
06:21.42marajin64GB is also too much to remember wtf I have
06:21.45prontolol
06:21.48prontolook!
06:22.17prontohow many songs is that>
06:23.05marajinI dunno, more than 10,000 I think
06:23.15prontoflac you must use then
06:23.25marajinI don't index 'em because if I do the programs shit themselves
06:23.41prontoamarok can, if you dont use sqlite
06:23.52marajinyeah I don't use linux for desktop media tho'
06:23.53prontolike use myswl and amarok can handle over 50k
06:24.02prontooh
06:24.07prontoi use linux as main OS
06:24.38marajinI use it for IRC/MUDing/IMs/net browsing/etc.
06:24.48marajinI usually play media in the background with hardware
06:25.02prontoheh
06:25.47prontoim pretty sure you can run KDE apps on windows
06:25.52marajinand TBH mate, at 192k mp3, you will use 50-60 gigs with 10,000 songs
06:26.02marajincygwin? heh
06:26.05prontodunno
06:26.05prontolol
06:26.08prontonever did it
06:26.22prontoran purple apps on windows (pidgin)
06:26.28prontothats about it
06:26.36marajinI'd rather superglue my testicles to a ranging bull, set fire to the bull and chain myself to a wall
06:26.49prontowonders
06:26.59marajinoh pidgin is actually compiled FOR windows tho'
06:27.06marajinand GTK is buggy as fuck on windows
06:27.06prontolol
06:27.08marajinreally really buggy
06:27.09prontoheh
06:27.11prontoi never used it
06:27.38marajinit counts as a native windows app,'s just buggy as hell :P
06:28.06marajinthey kept saying they'd make an MFC interface but they were lazy and just compiled GTK forwindows
06:29.06pronto:P
06:31.20pronto:o xchat is using 127.2mb of virt mem and 53mb of ram
06:31.44marajinO.o
06:31.47marajinthat's messed up
06:31.50prontohrm
06:32.05marajinI really need more drive space =/
06:32.08marajinblames HD Movies
06:32.21prontoscroll back is 500k lines
06:32.30prontoand im on 26 channels
06:32.33prontothat might be why
06:32.35pronto:o
06:32.37marajinIn the space of 300 SD movies, I'e fit... 32 HD movies!
06:32.38prontohd movies rock
06:32.55marajinthey do :P
06:33.08prontoyou a hdbits user?
06:33.09marajinwhich is why I needmore drive space instead of just deleting the HD movies and getting SD versions ;)
06:33.14marajinnope
06:33.20pronto:P
06:33.45prontohdbits pwns
06:35.55marajinI have a bunch of private trackers
06:35.58marajinI get a ton of HD content
06:36.07pronto:)
06:36.27marajinI have all the star wars.. all the matrix, all the LOTR, etc.
06:36.29prontoyou on p2p-net?
06:36.58marajinI get stuff like BSG in HD too
06:37.02prontoO_O
06:37.08prontoi have like 100gb of bsg
06:37.24marajinyeah, it's huge in HD :P
06:37.40prontoi got season 3 in SD though
06:37.46prontokilled my ratio on hdbits
06:37.46marajinheh :P
06:37.55prontoeverything else for i is 720p
06:37.57prontoit
06:37.59marajinaye
06:38.13prontoim pissed at this mid season break
06:38.28marajinNo kidding
06:38.36prontoand earth = owned
06:38.39prontolol
06:38.39marajinI refused to watch the last few episodes incase it cliff hangers me
06:38.42prontooh
06:38.44prontoerm./.
06:38.48prontodont read that
06:38.50marajindon't worry about it
06:38.56pronto:P
06:38.57marajinthat was an obvious foregone conclusion ;)
06:39.13marajinearth = owned to me is like saying "water = wet"
06:39.17marajinf'duh, I could guess that :P
06:39.32prontowater is wet?
06:39.33prontosince when?
06:39.44prontoi was pretty sure it was dry :\
06:39.59marajinMan I hope you use a lot of deoderant spray then ;)
06:40.07pronto:P
06:40.15prontodeoderant spary = fail
06:40.45prontomitchum ftw
06:43.02pronto:o
06:43.05prontothis song is pwn
06:43.07prontois listening to Jimi Hendrix - Pali Gap
06:50.05marajinwhat's mitchum?
06:50.34prontodon't worry about it
06:50.40marajinokie...
06:53.40prontoi shall brb
06:53.52marajinalright
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07:15.35rakeem'Afternoon gents...  Been a while...
07:16.44marajinMorning ;)
07:17.02prontomorning
07:19.57rakeemI've not been following things for a while...  I'm on a Uni (my fifth!)...  I think I was stuck with the Qtopia "No Network" thing.  Anyone know if there's a definitive solution yet?
07:20.15rakeemWhat devices are you guys running?
07:22.02prontoi have htc wizard and kaiser .... though both have wm
07:22.40marajinHermes and Kaiser here
07:24.16rakeemThey're both sweet units, but last time I checked, the port was progressing very slowly for them.  Any better now?
07:24.58marajinKaiser's flying
07:25.20rakeemThe Kaiser?  X11?
07:25.27marajinGSM, GPRS/3G, GPS, BTs halfway there, display, touchscreen and keyboards/hardkeys
07:25.43marajinit runs Android, X is giving us trouble
07:26.17marajinall done in the last month or so though
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07:27.29rakeemAndroid? Wow.  I've not even seen it, do you know if there's an image for the Uni?  How about sleep/suspend on the Kaiser?  That seems to be a tricky one to get working on a lot of devices...
07:27.47marajinwe don't have Powermanagement yet no
07:27.56marajinbut we have working android yep, call make calls and stuff
07:28.00marajinand use the 3G
07:28.01marajinand GPS
07:28.05rakeemWicked...  You got a link to the Kaiser dev site?
07:28.14marajinone sec.
07:28.32marajinhttp://linuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/
07:28.38marajincheck the readme for status/install info/etc.
07:28.47rakeemWhat's Android like then?  It doesn't use X?
07:28.53marajinthere's an android initrd and a console-linux angstrom
07:28.59marajinno android is its own display stuff
07:29.11marajinwe haven't got X to work from angstrom builds
07:29.22marajinbut I don't think we're trying so hard till some of the other hardware lives
07:32.27rakeemRight...  I'm sure it's just a matter of time...  It seems that these things can get stalled, waiting for some smart  (usually German ;-) cookie fixes a driver or something...
07:34.07rakeemHow's the Keyboard / TS?  Glitch free?  It was a problem on the Uni for ages after coming out of suspend, and it was the main barrier to the BA's usefulness...
08:01.53marajinthe keyboard's fine
08:02.02marajinthe touchscreen is kinda weirdly distorted at the bottom
08:02.09marajinbut we're ironing that out
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08:24.50marajinZoolooc: Morning :)
08:25.24Zooloocmorning marajin :)
08:26.11marajinHow's it going?
08:29.39prontomoos
08:39.10Zooloochadn't tried out lately android developments made by the folks here (very few time right now, with our 3 montsh old son ;)
08:39.28marajinah :)
08:39.29marajinhappy days
08:39.46Zooloocbut as my yougest cousin is visting us right now, I ought to impress him with android on kaiser
08:40.02Zooloocmarajin: yes, that's true
08:40.10marajinZoolooc: Well we have GPS, GPRS/3G, GSM, etc. now =)
08:40.32Zooloocthat's good news. such a pity I have no data plan
08:40.45ZooloocWLAN by any chance?
08:40.52marajinno
08:41.00Zooloocnot yet, I hope ;)
08:41.08marajinnot yet indeed :p
08:42.07Zooloocis there a suitable android initrd for these things? at dcorde's dir prehaps?
08:45.17marajinyep
08:45.21marajinthat one should do it
08:59.28prontoholy crap
08:59.37prontothis song has 1063 kbps bitrate
08:59.37pronto:o
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09:07.50marajin..wtf?
09:07.58marajinis it uncompressed PCM? :p
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09:10.47kiozenmorning
09:10.51marajin'lo there
09:12.17prontohello :)
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09:29.15gingemarajin: wassup with the keymap?
09:29.33marajinginge: I think maybe it's fine, it's just the googletime app
09:29.51marajinginge: Nearly all the buttons justmake it pan very slightly on the globe, I can't quit
09:30.05gingehow odd
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09:32.34gingemarajin: someone in the forum mentioned they still can't hang up with the red button. Is that the same for you?
09:32.55marajinginge: Dunno, will test
09:33.14gingemarajin: right-o. Thanks
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09:34.03marajinginge: Wtf is it doing during bootup? It sends my headset apeshit for quite a while
09:34.18gingemarajin: oh? At what point
09:34.28marajinDuring the cylon eye
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09:35.01gingeahh. No-one knows what is happeneing during the "eye"
09:35.12gingedamned closed source junk
09:36.16gingeyou say apeshit... what exactly happens? It might be quite useful to reverse engineer Android messing witht the headset
09:37.00marajinNo I mean the interference on my earphones
09:37.14marajinyou know the type you get during calls/when GPRS is working ?
09:37.28marajinbut it buzzes nearly constantly during bootup
09:37.29gingeyeah
09:37.49gingeyou think it is just interference from data?
09:38.22marajinwell clearly the modem is active for an extended period
09:38.35marajinfar longer than on WM and the tone is much more constant
09:39.00marajinas if WM is just getting a GSM signal and android is messing with GPRS/3G connection
09:39.06kiozencr2: around?
09:40.14marajinMy kaiser doesn't seem to be making calls. I'm dialing my hermes and getting nothing at all
09:41.01marajin(all the latest things as of a few hours ago on dcordes site)
09:41.13gingemarajin: it could be something to do with the way we manually initialise the ppp connection before the cylon. Android normally handles this itself, and almost certainly in a more efficicient manner. At the moment there are some delays in the ppp setup that were calculated with the age old stick yout finger in the air.
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09:41.33marajinProbably, sounds logical
09:42.17gingesome people have had problems dialling when they only had GPRS signal.
09:42.36marajinI got EDGE
09:44.37marajinit plain won't make calls
09:44.51marajinand wether I use the d-pad or the red button, I can't hang up
09:44.58gingelatest zimage?
09:45.02marajinit just says dialing, my hermes never rings
09:45.07marajinyep
09:45.13gingeI will have a look
09:45.16marajinI deleted everything and wgetted the folder
09:48.53marajinheh, putting the modem in GSM only mode stops the buzzing during bootup but I can't make calls regardless, I'll try dialing IN to the kaiser
09:51.22marajinginge: Nope, nothing, can't dial in or out
09:54.05gingedo you have an older zimage to try?
09:54.05marajinhmm maybe
09:54.05marajinbut I'm not sure how old
09:55.09rakeemAnyone know if it's possible to copy/paste within the OpenMoko terminal?
09:55.10martin__ginge: it may be possible to build a kernel that logs everything the android initrd is doing
09:56.12gingemartin__: thats what I am thinking. May put some stuff in modemsetup.sh to push the log out
09:56.34martin__sounds like a very good plan
09:56.58gingeI bet we could ptrace the whole process
09:58.58martin__yeah, just modify the initrd to e.g. replace the init with a script that calls it in strace and writes out to a log
09:59.11martin__probably easier than doing it in kernel space
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10:02.01pH5hi Marex, did you get pxa25x_udc to work?
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10:27.04kiozenhm, building qtopia freezes while uic some files, anyone hat this problem, too?
10:29.29marajinHas anyone looked into what's wrong with X on angstrom builds on the kaiser recently?
10:31.05gingewould running in /dev/console instead of a proper tty device be something to do with it?
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10:31.33gingehi dzo
10:32.06dzohi there, just got the sd driver working, up to a point anyway.
10:32.11gingegood work
10:32.16marajindzo: Nice =)
10:32.30rakeemWell done dzo...
10:32.34marajindzo: Define "up to a point" though? :P
10:32.39effbiaimarajin: alive now =)
10:32.46marajineffbiai: Ah 'lo there =)
10:33.01effbiaihi :)
10:33.07dzonot ready for prime time, only pio and it crashed a few times but definitely getting close.
10:33.57marajindzo: Good news at least :)
10:34.03dzoi've been away for a few days will have time to work in it tomorrow.
10:34.45dzohow is kaiser going, did you get that ril going?
10:35.40effbiai06:45 < marajin> effbiai: Stil alive there? - anything you wanted?
10:35.49marajineffbiai: Yes but I forgot now
10:35.54effbiaiheh, k :)
10:36.30marajineffbiai: It was 6 hours ago! :P
10:36.33effbiailet me know in pm when you remember it :) going to be running alot this week... only partial online
10:36.41marajinno worries
10:36.44effbiaiyeah, i know :) i was sleeping :)
10:37.05effbiaiyou know.. some of us sleep during the night :>
10:37.10marajinpfft
10:37.12effbiaior.. during the am :>
10:37.17rakeemAnyone know a way around the "No Network" Qtopia paralysis on the Uni?  I've truly googled this to death and tried everything...  No joy...
10:37.24marajinI have an illness that makes me tired permanently, sleep becomes kinda irrelevant ;)
10:37.27effbiainot actually night at 11AM :x
10:37.54marajinI never slept much anyway
10:38.03marajinI worked on a 40/8 hour schedule
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10:38.57effbiaiauch
10:38.59rakeemmarajin:  That's tough man...  What's it called?  Not full-on narcolepsy surely?
10:39.01effbiaianyway.. cya l8r
10:39.35marajinrakeem: No no, I mean it makes me feel tired they just call it a bunch of things including Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
10:39.52marajinsee ya effbiai
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10:40.27gingei think I hhave this touchscreen almost calibrated right.
10:40.38marajinginge: Now that is good news :p
10:40.43gingedzo: you said you tried to follow the datasheet, which sheet were you looking at?
10:40.56gingemarajin: this touchscreen in crazy I have never seen one work like this before
10:40.57eway3gwell done on the sd stuff dzo
10:41.00dzotsc2003
10:41.15marajinginge: No, I boggled at the way it's misaligned myself.
10:41.22marajinginge: I can't even imagine why it'd do that
10:41.38gingedzo: ok. That doesn't seem to explain the whole pressure vs x arrangement to derive y
10:42.32gingemarajin: still not perfect it is scewed like a rhombus be 4 degrees
10:42.42ginges/be/by
10:43.03marajinginge: Well that'd be correctable in code but why do we have to is what I wonder.
10:43.22dzono, on vogue x and y work and the pressure is calculated from x and y and p1 and p2. your ts must be slightly different.
10:43.47marajindzo: Or somehow we're not talking to it properly yeah
10:43.50gingemarajin: I have the correction algo is, it just needs to be optimised with the correct values
10:43.58marajinginge: Yep
10:44.45dzothere is also a tsc2007 but it should be compatible with tsc2003
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11:57.00dcordeskonnichiwa
11:57.08prontomoo.
11:57.42dcordespronto: still not booted linux on kaiser eh?
11:57.57prontodon't plan to
11:58.14prontoif anything ill boot it for wizard
12:00.11dcordesoink
12:00.20prontopotatoes
12:01.15dcordeswoohoo dzo's got sd?!?
12:01.43prontowonders
12:02.16dcordeshm no sources
12:03.04dcordeseffbiai: ping
12:03.58dcordesmarajin: did you get calls working with the builds currently in my linuxtogo ~?
12:04.35dcordesI fear they are horribly broken
12:37.13pikapikapronto: you're working on wizard ?
12:37.21prontono
12:37.33prontoright now im trying to fix something i fucked up
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12:37.43pronto:|
12:39.30pikapikafucked up on coding or on your computer ?
12:39.55prontogot bored
12:39.58pronto(CPU): Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.80GHz: (Frequency): 1050.000MHz: (Cache): 2048 KB: (Bogomips): 7635.81
12:40.02prontogah
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15:26.21cr2hahaha. not so evil.
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15:30.47kiozencr2: anything evil around?
15:31.06cr2kiozen: i guess they employ androids there -> http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,druck-564120,00.html
15:31.59kiozenwell, there is no big difference to well known German companies
15:32.17cr2crazy stuff.
15:34.01cr2i prefer qtopia anyway, and it's free software.
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15:34.13cr2kiozen: have you managed to compile qtopia ?
15:34.29kiozencr2: for the loox yes
15:34.48kiozencr2: but the tolls fucked up qtopia for x86, gcc 4.3.1
15:35.25kiozencr2: some really bad template wiredness
15:35.29cr2strange, but it probably depends on the toolchain setup.
15:35.54kiozencr2: no, gcc 4.3.1 is just a bit more strict
15:35.56cr2yes, i had big troubles to crosscompile on amd64 when qtopia qust came out.
15:36.05cr2ok.
15:36.21kiozenas said the oe toolchain worked
15:36.39kiozenafter patching the dbus stuff
15:36.57kiozencr2: did you manage to start M on the new rootfs?
15:37.25cr2new ?
15:37.42kiozenwell the one from Friday
15:37.51cr2i had the usual old problems with the ts and keyboard.
15:37.58cr2qtopia problems.
15:38.18kiozenyes, you have to set the env variables and the correct /dev/input
15:38.55cr2i've done it, but something is still not working as expected.
15:39.14kiozenany idea what it is?
15:39.40cr2button mapping ? ts detection ?
15:40.10cr2i'm using the old kernel and the buttons and ts work.
15:40.14kiozenok, buttonsmapping is broken, let's forget about it until I have got the device
15:40.34cr2ah. ts calibration?
15:40.45cr2i'll check it.
15:41.00kiozenthere should be a program for ts calibartion
15:41.11cr2looking.
15:41.24cr2the internal gps, and bt gps are working as expected.
15:41.50cr2the internal gps does not want to work in wince, for some reason.
15:42.14cr2i didn't want to do a hard reset.
15:42.32kiozenwince is not important :)
15:43.02kiozenwhat was the name of thes ts calibration app?
15:43.46cr2ts_calibrate ?
15:44.31kiozenhm, nothing found, let's look for a package...
15:44.55cr2tslib-utils or something like that.
15:47.18kiozenhm nothing like that, maybe directfb?
15:49.59kiozenoes qtopia use directfb?
15:50.08kiozens/oes/does/
15:51.10cr2it uses the fb directly :)
15:53.33BabelOkiozen: it is xcalibrate package
15:53.35BabelOhi
15:54.01kiozenok
15:54.08cr2BabelO: x ?
15:54.43BabelOcr2: yes, it seem
15:55.24BabelOcrit is part of the calibration library
15:55.46cr2silly
15:56.31kiozencr2:  now you know why the old image is so big :)
15:56.56kiozenok, compiling
15:57.34cr2kiozen: i'll need the ts_* programs only. no weird stuff.
15:58.24kiozencr2: no way, you wil get the weird stuff
16:00.07BabelOkiozen: wait
16:00.09kiozenyes it's compiling a complete x11!!
16:00.25kiozeniiiiiiiickkkk, ... yes BabelO?
16:00.39BabelOkiozen: it was in old version, but now it is included in tslib
16:00.48BabelOhttp://git.slind.org/git?p=tslib.git;a=tree
16:00.52BabelOunder tests
16:00.59BabelOjust arm-gcc it :)
16:01.13kiozenBabelO: I have done bitbake tslib
16:05.44cr2bbl
16:06.05kiozencr2: ok, I'll make a new rootfs
16:12.41gingedcordes: ping
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16:26.02maverick2kHi, i'm new here and have an old Himalaya pocketpc, and i want to install linux on it
16:26.19maverick2ki'm running linux as well on my development pc
16:26.43maverick2kand i used this howto http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HimalayaLinuxBooting
16:27.05maverick2kbut can't seem to get connection, neither under WindowsXP
16:28.24maverick2kI used minicom for the connection and on Windows mobile I get connection and if i load Haret minicom is closed
16:29.06maverick2kwith the message Device disappeared
16:29.32maverick2kdoes any one know a solution to this?
16:36.01kiozenBabelO: adding tslib-calibrate to ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL seems to do the trick
16:42.26kiozencr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/rootfs.tar.bz2
16:42.41kiozenwith ts_calibrate
17:10.47cr2maverick2k: hmm. himalaya kernel needs some programming work to make it update.
17:10.54cr2kiozen: downloading.
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17:12.29maverick2kcr2: how do you mean
17:16.16Marex<PROTECTED>
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17:20.15maverick2kthe device is not registered anymore in the /dev/ directory /dev/ttyUSB0
17:31.05CPressMorning All.
17:31.23dcordesyo ginge
17:31.30dcordesginge: anything new?
17:31.40gingedid you try the new android script?
17:31.58dcordesnot yet sorry
17:32.01gingeok.
17:32.23dcordescould you repost the link so I can take note and try it later?
17:34.44dcordesginge: I'll look it up in the logs. bbl will report when I tried
18:02.51kiozencr2: does it work?
18:04.04maverick2kon a Himalaya i'm starting Haret and the last message at booting is Starting portmap deamon: portmap, but still i can't connect to the device with minicom
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18:17.13maverick2kanother question :) which cross compilation toolchain to you recomment for the Himalaya (Xscale)?
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18:29.19cr2kiozen: did you put the Q* variables into /etc/profile ?
18:30.12cr2Calibration constants: 33621252 -11536 813 -3718080 29 12865 65536
18:34.26kiozencr2: yes, but a better place would be a QLandkarteM start script
18:34.45cr2ok
18:35.08cr2kiozen: nothing there.
18:35.42cr2kiozen: can you pastebin them ?
18:37.30effbiaidcordes: pong
18:38.03kiozencr2: something like that http://pastebin.no/11177
18:42.30cr2kiozen: ts works.
18:42.37kiozen:)
18:42.52cr2for internal gps need to go out.
18:43.14kiozencr2: send me all the scripts once you are done
18:43.30kiozenI will add them to my rootfs generator
18:43.46kiozenBabelO: ?
18:44.31BabelOkiozen: ?
18:45.33kiozendidn't you have a idiot safe way to create a rootfs on a sd for any noob?
18:46.01kiozenI would need 2 partitions
18:46.19kiozenone for the rootfs and one for data
18:46.43kiozenon an update just the rootfs should be destroyed/updated
18:46.58kiozenI think of soemthing like:
18:47.06kiozentake an SD
18:47.13kiozencall this program
18:47.23kiozenand after a while all is fine
18:47.35kiozenBabelO: do you have such a thing?
18:48.43BabelOkiozen: bo :(
18:48.58kiozenok, just asking :)
18:49.00BabelOkiozen: i publish my rootfs with kevin autoinstaller
18:49.19BabelOso only image file is created no format
18:49.52kiozenok
18:50.27kiozenis there a way to format ext3 in windows?
18:50.40kiozenor dd the complete thing to sd
18:52.59cr2kiozen: testing bt
18:53.28kiozenlol, internal gps was too bad, ehh?
18:54.53cr2yeah, it's as shitty as moko2 internal gps.
18:56.02kiozensirf should sue them for castrating their receiver
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18:59.16cr2kiozen: yeah. bt sirf3 sees 10 sats ;)
18:59.23kiozencr2 I wonder if I could add this stuff to the device http://www.iba-sensorik.de/honeywell/honey_magnetfeld2.htm
18:59.35cr2maybe they are cheating, but i get the fix only with bt gps.
18:59.54kiozendon't tink they have to cheat
19:00.08cr2Temperaturbereich -55°C bis 300°C
19:00.20kiozennormal
19:00.48kiozeni wonder if the HMR3300 has a serial port
19:00.57cr2i think it'd be possible to attach to the rs232 socket.
19:01.13cr2what else ? spi ?
19:01.22kiozenrs232 would be fine
19:01.47kiozenit just ahs to fit into the rugged case
19:01.54kiozens/ahs/has/
19:02.48kiozenI still dream of this panorama finder
19:03.07cr2ok
19:03.14kiozenyou hold the device like a camera and get the panorama from DEM data
19:03.42kiozenand with a montain poi data base you know what sumits you can see
19:04.09kiozenTHAT would be cool :)
19:04.19cr2:D
19:04.30kiozenand make Garmin look like shit
19:05.05kiozenbtw http://www.geoclub.de/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=25773 (sorry just german)
19:05.34kiozenthe revebge of the typical garmin cheerleader club
19:06.07cr2http://pastebin.no/11186
19:07.01cr2"schwaches Display" ? what does he mean ?
19:07.15kiozennot readable in sunlight
19:07.20cr2ok.
19:07.49cr2i've looked at 400 fw. looks like omap again.
19:08.11kiozenand the fw is just beta
19:08.12cr2the fw is a usual arm/thumb mess
19:08.26kiozenand garmin cut prices half after 4 months :)
19:08.44cr2hehe. in dollars ?
19:08.56kiozenthus the poor suckers can't get rid of the device :P
19:09.00kiozeneuro
19:09.22kiozenbut they still vote for garmin if you piss on it
19:09.35cr2ok
19:09.59kiozenthe are like apple followers
19:10.07cr2:)
19:10.18kiozencompletely controlled by marketing
19:10.54cr2at least they are not sueing people for .img
19:10.57kiozencr2: how did you call that script? and did you add it to inittab?
19:11.17cr2chmod +x & mv /usr/bin
19:11.39kiozenthat is right, but I wonder how it would look like if I would add the mellon.so
19:11.53cr2then just add to inittab as a runlevel
19:11.56cr2hehe.
19:12.14cr2i don't want to add it to inittab now, so i have more control.
19:12.22kiozenok
19:12.59cr2ok, so it works now.
19:13.56marajinyo
19:14.20cr2tsdogs: here ?
19:14.40marajincr2: Which device was giving you trouble with the internal GPS?
19:14.59cr2marajin: n560
19:15.31marajinhm ok
19:16.02kiozencr2: /dev/rfcomm0 is created automatically?
19:16.25cr2yes.
19:16.55cr2kiozen: you only need the mac. it's also possible to add it to the bt config in /etc
19:16.57kiozenmarajin:FSC used one of the best gps receiver, but they seem to have metalcoated the antena
19:17.31kiozencr2: ok thinnk I have to make that controlable from M anyway
19:17.36cr2yes
19:17.55marajinkiozen: Figures :p
19:17.56cr2but it's a generic bt config issue.
19:18.15marajinkiozen: I only know my kaiser works really well since I updated the rom a while back.
19:18.40marajinkiozen: I can sometimes get a 9-10 sat lock inside the house in some seconds with it no worries
19:18.57kiozenmarajin: users have tried everything with the N560, nothing helps
19:19.06kiozenit's just broken design
19:19.09marajinyeah
19:19.30marajinI boggled at the N95 (original one not the one with internal storage) actually
19:19.39marajinthe GPS is fucked if you're inside or it's cloudy
19:19.43marajinnothing at all
19:20.03marajinI side by sided one with my kaiser, my kaiser'd get like 9-10 sats easy and the N95'd struggle to get more than 1 or 2
19:20.10kiozenit's a pitty, you can rug the N560 up for 200 €. It make a great outdoor gps
19:20.24marajinI figure if the reception is that bad, why bother giving it gps at all
19:20.30kiozenbtw gps does not really care about clouds
19:21.03kiozengps == "must be on the box" :)
19:21.11marajinkiozen: The N95s does :P
19:22.04marajinkiozen: Yeah and then we getstuff like the hermes "it has GPS but we couldn't be bothered giving it an antenna so we'll just say it hasn't"
19:22.07kiozenthen the device must live in a parallel universe with different physics :) did you chech this?
19:22.15cr2marajin: kaiser does some very different things.
19:22.15kiozenlol
19:22.44marajinkiozen: Seriously I've tried it in all conditions, that n95 just won't work unless it's a clear sky and it's outsdie
19:22.47marajin*outside
19:23.11marajinmy kaiser really doesn't care what conditions are like and as long as I'm somewhere vaguely near a window it'll get it even inside
19:23.13cr2kiozen: not so fast :) gps is biased by the clouds. and by water vapour density.
19:23.52marajincr2: yeah, I figured I won't bother going on about such things since I'm not an expert on why but I do know clouds effect it somewhat.
19:23.56cr2marajin: does it pick the ephemeris over gsm ?
19:23.57kiozenbut wasn't the frequency chosen to minimize that effect close to nothing?
19:24.23marajincr2: What? the N95?
19:24.49marajinkiozen: When the device is already on the borderline of not getting signals, even a minimized effect is enough
19:24.54cr2kiozen: it's possible to calculate the water density and the temperature watching the gps bias.
19:25.37cr2kiozen: up to about 30km it's one of the most cheap and easy remote sensing methods.
19:25.57cr2radiosonds are more accurate of course.
19:26.14kiozensure it has some effect but I could never see a difference on my 60SCx, time of the day is much worse
19:27.47marajinhmm I tend to get pretty solid reception all day around
19:28.35cr2i'm talking about good receivers here :) who deal with the ionospheric delay properly.
19:28.36kiozenreception is good, but the sytematic error depends on the satellite locations, and that is time based
19:29.22kiozenIn my area i get usually a larger error in the afternoon, than in the morning
19:29.23cr2kiozen: only in a geometric sense. that's why *dop is junk.
19:29.53cr2because it can be calculated from ephemeris, without doing any real measurements.
19:30.29kiozencr2: yes but if you try to find tuppaware in the forest, you notice if your location is steady or moving allong :)
19:31.46kiozenthe same is for recording tracks, in the morning you drive alonf the street, in the afternoon you drive off street
19:32.17cr2it's mainly the ionospheric error.
19:32.17kiozenso never look just at your gps, look at the road!
19:32.36kiozenyeah maybe
19:32.40cr2i want a 2frequency receiver :)
19:33.09kiozenlol, hijack a "landesvermessungsamt" employee
19:34.34kiozenI always wonder if galileo and gps together will have some synergies
19:34.54cr2they use dgps
19:35.18cr2the frequency bands are too close.
19:35.35kiozenwell yes, the clouds :)
19:36.46kiozencr2: btw how is the status for boot/suspend/resume?
19:37.19marajingalileo is supposed to be integrating with GPS anyway
19:37.23marajinthey're making it a combined system
19:37.57kiozenhm, let's see if that ever happens :) it's quite political
19:37.59cr2kiozen: boot is not 100%, suspend works, resume does not work. but i don't need a device to fix these.
19:38.24cr2it's more about patience in looking through the boot process disassembly.
19:39.22kiozencr2: ok, how much time do you think you need to make boot working?
19:39.39marajinkiozen: I know the US are furious about galileo because they can't control it
19:39.52kiozenmarajin: hehe :)
19:40.05kiozenthey do not need to control everything
19:40.31kiozenit's the same with children
19:40.34marajinkiozen: No but they want to, cause terrorists could use it to guide them!
19:40.50marajinkiozen: And if there was a threat they can turn the GPS sats off but galileo they can't!
19:41.10kiozenlol, yes paranoia is always a nice hobby
19:41.24cr2marajin: they can use glonass. when enough sats will be really working.
19:41.25marajinI know, it's so much BS
19:41.41kiozenno one cares about the gun shot victims per year in the US
19:41.52marajinglonass works? heh
19:42.08cr2kiozen: i'll give you n560 back anyway.
19:42.26cr2marajin: with up to 4 hours "holes" per day
19:42.33kiozencr2: I see you want to get rid of it :)))))))))))))))
19:42.58cr2marajin: when you don't see any satellites
19:43.03marajincr2: Ah yeah, they say global coverage isn't till 2009
19:43.18cr2kiozen: i don't need the physical device to fix the code. it's like with himalaya.
19:43.57kiozencr2: and I can start with testing usabilty of M, thus it's ok
19:44.17cr2ok
19:45.12kiozenI think boot and resume are most important. guess I can take care off the rest if you give me enought hints
19:52.28kiozencr2: added script as qlandkarte.sh to rootfs
19:55.12cr2ok.
19:55.17cr2bbl
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21:15.35Marexdang pwm is broken on pxa25x in mainline or what :/
22:41.00dcordeshi
22:42.23dcordescr2: how do you make the memory maps out of the mmu dumps?
22:49.51cr2dcordes: you can't
22:51.22marajin'lo dcordes
22:52.00dcordescr2: how are they created then?
22:52.06dcordeshi marajin
22:52.27marajinso dcordes, I can't make or recieve calls with the stuff on your site as of about 24 hours ago
22:52.33marajinI haven't tried an older zimage yet
22:53.01dcordesmarajin: too many different kaiser-smd.c
22:53.27dcordesI hope it's not also broken in git now
22:53.49dcordesdid you hear anything from martin__ and how the merge is going?
23:05.34dcordesmarajin: can you get online with the last builds?
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23:40.02marajindcordes: Sorry, got sidetracked
23:40.19marajindcordes: Erm, Not that I know of but I haven't set the ppp stuff anyway
23:40.37dcordesjust use the ppp.sh script
23:41.04dcordesbut that should work. I have no idea how I broke the calls in android
23:41.32marajinyou may not have, it just won't work on my device in particular. I'll try under console-linux sometime
23:43.08dcordesmarajin: did calls work for you in previous builds?
23:43.39marajindcordes: I did have it workin at one point yep

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