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| 02:24.45 | cmonex | hey all |
| 02:24.51 | cmonex | cr2: see my reply to you in diamond 64MB thread |
| 02:24.57 | cmonex | my mind must have gone on vacation |
| 02:24.59 | cmonex | :) |
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| 03:10.17 | dcordes | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMemoryMap updated with data fifo comments |
| 03:11.04 | dcordes | martin__: should be easy to add the data smd device now to kaiser-smd.c I guess. For further referrence look at the mail I sent you June 14th |
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| 05:26.55 | premy | Hi |
| 05:27.19 | dcordes | hi premy |
| 05:27.28 | premy | Could someone try this new version of kaiser-smd.c at http://rafb.net/p/zcFQlS48.html ? |
| 05:27.39 | premy | It might enable the data channels. |
| 05:27.47 | dcordes | sorry don't have my kaiser here |
| 05:28.03 | premy | I can't test it because I don't have a data plan..... |
| 05:28.06 | dcordes | premy: did you see the comment in the memory message? |
| 05:28.15 | dcordes | I'll test in an hour when I'm at home |
| 05:28.35 | dcordes | s/message/map/ |
| 05:28.56 | premy | Yes, I think you caught the send fifo. |
| 05:29.46 | dcordes | does the 'odd' data belong to the fifo? |
| 05:29.58 | dcordes | I could send you the dumb I picked it from |
| 05:30.22 | AstainHellbring | premy if you wanna make a zimage I will test it |
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| 05:32.53 | premy | I think your "odd data" is probably ppp data. don't you have a username and password in there ? |
| 05:33.21 | dcordes | no I did quite some traffic before I dumped |
| 05:33.37 | dcordes | it's all html code surrounded by the odd |
| 05:34.13 | premy | Ok, then you shouldn't have the initial ppp negotiation data still around. But still must be ppp related. |
| 05:34.37 | dcordes | ah a second... you say it will be the send fifo? I have seen things like browser version and device name |
| 05:34.46 | premy | By the way, you'll have to update the cmdline in default.txt. |
| 05:34.48 | dcordes | I guess that was internet explorer telling the server who it is |
| 05:34.55 | dcordes | so it is most likely the send |
| 05:35.15 | premy | the ppp username and password have to be in there |
| 05:35.25 | dcordes | premy: ok will keep that in mind |
| 05:35.32 | premy | And they are operator-dependant. |
| 05:35.55 | dcordes | I have no clue where I can look them up for vodafone germany |
| 05:36.26 | dcordes | the thing is, the way you put it in windows mobile is somewhat complicated |
| 05:37.29 | premy | AstainHellbring: sorry, my build environment is polaris-specific at the moment. |
| 05:37.45 | dcordes | nevermind I'm heading home now to test it |
| 05:37.50 | dcordes | bbl |
| 05:37.58 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic |
| 05:38.09 | dcordes | AstainHellbring: will ping you when I got the z |
| 05:38.33 | AstainHellbring | he's gone but I'll say thanks anyway on that |
| 05:42.43 | premy | http://www.unlocks.co.uk/gprs_settings.php seems to have some info regarding gprs user/passwords. |
| 05:43.38 | premy | By the way, the memory mapping for the GPS channel is the same on my polaris as for kaiser. |
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| 05:50.10 | AstainHellbring | premy: that makes sense same gps device |
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| 06:13.10 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/console-image-looxc550.tar |
| 06:13.40 | kiozen | cr2: think I messed up the image when creating the tar.gz |
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| 06:56.19 | dcordes | premy: yea looks like the complete smem mapping is identical on kaiser vs polaris |
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| 07:45.28 | premy | dcordes: any feedback re GPRS ? |
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| 07:45.52 | dcordes | premy: I'm putting the cmdline this second |
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| 08:11.20 | ather90 | Hey all |
| 08:14.08 | hagisbasheruk | hi ather90 |
| 08:14.18 | ather90 | hmm..so u are here |
| 08:14.39 | hagisbasheruk | :) i got myself a wizard also now |
| 08:14.52 | ather90 | hehe..so did u try Liniwizard |
| 08:15.30 | hagisbasheruk | yes i have tried latest unreleasted version , it is really very good |
| 08:15.48 | ather90 | too bad it cant run on Hima |
| 08:15.59 | ather90 | actually i bloew off my Wizard Battery :D |
| 08:16.19 | ather90 | now i have to buy one [but its the end of th month and....:P] |
| 08:16.34 | hagisbasheruk | bills bills bills... |
| 08:16.56 | ather90 | Nah..im 18 what would i do with the Bills |
| 08:17.38 | hagisbasheruk | lucky you |
| 08:17.43 | ather90 | Hehehe |
| 08:17.50 | ather90 | but im doing my summer jobs |
| 08:18.10 | hagisbasheruk | bookmark here for latest files from solar http://tinderbox.x86.dev.gentoo.org/embedded/linwizard/ |
| 08:18.18 | ather90 | okkz |
| 08:18.20 | ather90 | will do |
| 08:18.22 | ather90 | have to go now |
| 08:18.28 | ather90 | talk to u later |
| 08:18.31 | hagisbasheruk | cya |
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| 11:20.38 | kiozen | BabelO: ? |
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| 12:28.03 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ? |
| 12:28.38 | kiozen | more oe stuff :) |
| 12:29.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: if I bitbacked a package, how do I add it to the image properly? |
| 12:30.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you can duplicate a bb file from package/angstrom or package/images and add it to EXTRA_ line |
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| 12:32.34 | kiozen | BabelO_ you mean ANGSTROM_EXTRA_INSTALL ?= "" in console-image.bb? |
| 12:33.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: wait i connect to home and i look, but i think it is this one yes |
| 12:39.24 | premy | dcordes: Hi some news. As dzo was saying some minor modifications to the vogue initrd are needed for GSM phones. |
| 12:40.39 | BabelO_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.20 | premy | First of all, if you replace in /etc/init.ril libreference-ril.so with libreference-ril-original.so incoming calls are detected and handled properly, and outgoing SMS works. |
| 12:41.47 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes add it to EXTRA_INSTALL should be ok |
| 12:43.00 | premy | Then /etc/init1 and /etc/init2 have to be modified for GPRS. I'm currently trying to figure out this and hopefully GPRS will work.... |
| 12:43.57 | kiozen | BabelO_: bitbake proj4 failes, but bitbake -b ../org.openembedded.dev/packages/proj4/proj-4_4.9.bb works |
| 12:44.05 | kiozen | BabelO_: any ideas why? |
| 12:44.38 | BabelO_ | kiozen: bitbake proj-4 |
| 12:45.35 | kiozen | ahh silly me :) |
| 12:47.16 | kiozen | nice that worked |
| 12:47.29 | kiozen | now I just have to find out the sanfu for gdal |
| 12:54.31 | BabelO_ | kiozen: tel me if you found how to build gdal :) |
| 12:54.50 | kiozen | BabelO_ looks like gdal-1.4.2 is ok |
| 12:55.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: really ? , let me try again |
| 12:55.13 | kiozen | BabelO_: gdal-1.5.2 has some cross compiler itches |
| 13:02.45 | kiozen | BabelO_: could compile but bitbake failes to package it, damn oe is losy! |
| 13:04.18 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i spent one day last time i want to do a clean image with gpsd and gdal support :) |
| 13:04.59 | kiozen | BabelO_: if the don't want to maintain it, why do they add it to the ditro? |
| 13:05.22 | kiozen | it sucks |
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| 13:15.50 | Romain_ | hello sirs |
| 13:23.52 | Romain_ | i want to know the toolschain be used to compile kernel unter OPAM850 ? |
| 13:24.02 | Romain_ | (sorry for my bad english) |
| 13:30.53 | Romain_ | can i ask a question ? |
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| 13:47.33 | BabelO_ | Romain_: i use standard angstrom or codesourcery.com toolchain |
| 13:48.03 | Romain_ | thanks a lot man, i' going to look that |
| 13:48.42 | Romain_ | i have a stupid question, can i ask to you ? |
| 13:49.46 | Romain_ | i start the linwizard on my Prophet, but how to write to the console ? i have no physical keyboard |
| 13:49.48 | Romain_ | ? |
| 13:50.24 | Romain_ | In the readme => "...To run a X Session with a clock and a terminal use startx" |
| 13:50.42 | Romain_ | but how to write my command without keyboard ? |
| 13:50.53 | Romain_ | does exist and emulated ? |
| 13:53.32 | Romain_ | where does Angtrom toolcahin come from ? |
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| 14:00.20 | kiozen | Romain_: normally you login via ssh |
| 14:02.01 | Romain_ | ok, witch kind of connexion is doing on the pocket pc ? can i use M$ with putty ? |
| 14:04.34 | Romain_ | how can i find a ether gadget win driver ? |
| 14:07.03 | kiozen | Romain_: afaik activesync should provide you a tcp/ip address for the device |
| 14:07.47 | Romain_ | I have to establish connexion on Haret before starting the kernel ? |
| 14:07.53 | kiozen | don't know if there is a think like a ssh server on the prophet |
| 14:08.51 | kiozen | Romain_: haret should work without that |
| 14:09.11 | Romain_ | ok, but to establish the ssh communication when linux is started how i can do ? |
| 14:09.34 | Romain_ | (with active sync) |
| 14:09.56 | Romain_ | your are shure i can use active sync when the kernel is started , |
| 14:10.10 | kiozen | Romain_: forget active sync, there is a project, but it's hell :) |
| 14:10.13 | Romain_ | (linux kernel) is started ? |
| 14:10.20 | Romain_ | lol |
| 14:10.25 | kiozen | usb gadget is the way to go |
| 14:10.32 | Romain_ | io'm not near my linux pc |
| 14:10.36 | kiozen | have never done it, but |
| 14:10.45 | Romain_ | i have just a M$ now |
| 14:10.48 | kiozen | BabelO_ said he managed once :) |
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| 14:11.46 | kiozen | best to have a linux box handy all the time |
| 14:12.33 | Romain_ | yes, that why i try to put it on my SPVM600 |
| 14:12.42 | Romain_ | :P |
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| 14:51.15 | kiozen | BabelO_: I get gdal 1.4.2 compiled but moving it on the image is broken. |
| 14:51.33 | kiozen | BabelO_: thus it is still to be installed manually |
| 15:02.00 | BabelO_ | kiozen: bitbake rebuild ? |
| 15:02.54 | kiozen | BabelO_: no it looks like the thing is broken for ages and nobody cares |
| 15:03.23 | AstainHellbring | morning |
| 15:03.26 | kiozen | BabelO_: bitbake produces a complete insane path with the binaries |
| 15:03.41 | kiozen | BabelO_: and no ipk package to be used by the rootfs |
| 15:04.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: :( i ve made artemis image from a console-image with your gdal tar.gz binary :) and i patch by hand my reference image day after days |
| 15:05.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: yep that is how the cooky crumbles. don't know what to do to motivate the oe folks to get us a clean gdal 1.5.2 |
| 15:05.40 | kiozen | BabelO_: I can tar.gz you gdal_1.4.4 now :) |
| 15:06.38 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i m still waiting for qtopia 4.4 and try to get resume working properly on artemis.. it works but it corrupt sd on resume |
| 15:06.54 | kiozen | BabelO_: think I amuse myselfe building qtopia 4.3 on the weekend |
| 15:08.13 | kiozen | BabelO_: ..if I find a copy :/ |
| 15:08.23 | BabelO_ | kiozen: with qtopia git it is easy to do :) |
| 15:08.50 | BabelO_ | kiozen: you can do a dummy modem driver, i ve made one some month ago to hide the no netwoprk info :) |
| 15:08.57 | kiozen | never have done it, and the git woves around here aren't too prommising |
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| 15:28.18 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.qlandkarte.org/rootfs.tar.gz |
| 15:28.36 | kiozen | the latest and greates, with proj4 and gdal 1.4.4 |
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| 15:51.30 | Romain_ | hello, i have probleme to telnet my Prophet can you help me |
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| 17:02.24 | ginge_ | that keyboard LED to serial hack I did is going to be on Hack A Day tomorrow. The page has a link to the Kaiser thread. There might be a few more people passing by. |
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| 17:05.14 | martin__ | yo dudes |
| 17:05.23 | AstainHellbring | yo martin |
| 17:05.26 | dcordes | yo dude |
| 17:05.34 | martin__ | i'm on a train for the next 6 hours |
| 17:05.39 | martin__ | gimme something to hack on |
| 17:05.41 | dcordes | que pasa? |
| 17:05.46 | dcordes | no problem |
| 17:05.53 | martin__ | where's premy's latest kaiser-smd.c? |
| 17:05.58 | dcordes | did you see my note about umts? |
| 17:06.20 | ginge_ | martin__: how about find out whats up with DMA? |
| 17:06.57 | martin__ | I wanna look at the kaiser-smd.c and see what's still different to the smd.c implementation |
| 17:07.44 | martin__ | since there's some other stuff in smd.c like the state business |
| 17:07.53 | dcordes | martin__: http://rafb.net/p/zcFQlS48.txt here is plaintext premy's latest kaiser-smd.c. he readded the umts data fifo 1 after I documenteded it in the kaiser memory map. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMemoryMap. my note was that I emailed you the smem dump june 14th. |
| 17:08.22 | martin__ | was that your smem5 dump? |
| 17:08.26 | dcordes | no |
| 17:08.34 | dcordes | it is a .txt I can resend |
| 17:08.39 | martin__ | smem-gps? |
| 17:08.42 | dcordes | no |
| 17:08.53 | dcordes | haretlog-20080614_212716.log |
| 17:08.58 | martin__ | ah, okay |
| 17:09.01 | martin__ | should still have that |
| 17:09.04 | dcordes | ok |
| 17:10.26 | martin__ | ooh, premy's stuff uses the a9_ptr/a11_ptr stuff? |
| 17:10.42 | dcordes | to be honest I didn't diff it yet |
| 17:11.23 | dcordes | martin__: the way umts data channel 1 is put now doesn't work |
| 17:11.40 | dcordes | errors on boot about pppd not being able to access the node |
| 17:11.40 | martin__ | ah, no, looks like he swapped them but didn't rename |
| 17:12.11 | dcordes | acoording to what he said, he tried to stick more with the android.com way to put it |
| 17:12.23 | dcordes | or I got this wrong |
| 17:14.08 | dcordes | bbiab |
| 17:16.38 | premy | martin__: I think the data fifo is now ok. |
| 17:17.14 | martin__ | dcordes: I'm not going to be able to download that dump off my mailserver before the end of this train ride. Can you just paste the hexdump of the beginning and end of each fifo? |
| 17:17.39 | premy | martin__: I think the reason why GPRS does not work yet is in the init sequence in /etc/setup_modem.sh |
| 17:19.31 | premy | What's in there in dzo's initrd is CDMA-specific |
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| 17:21.04 | premy | GPRS has to be initialized with something like "AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","_APN_NAME_","",0,0 where APN_NAME is the name of your operator's APN |
| 17:21.29 | premy | and then the GPRS channel is open with ATD*99***1# |
| 17:21.42 | martin__ | dzo changed this for GSM->CDMA though right? |
| 17:21.51 | martin__ | can't you just change it back to what android had? |
| 17:25.18 | AstainHellbring | should be able to I think dzo was saying he left backups of his changes |
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| 17:27.01 | Baget | Hello |
| 17:27.24 | Baget | I have O2 XDA Mini II PDA and i want to install on it linux |
| 17:27.48 | Baget | I tried all kind of stuff that i found on the internet, but after the boot loader i'm getting a white screen |
| 17:27.54 | Baget | can someone help me with that? |
| 17:28.54 | premy | AstainHellbring: the backup dzo was mentioning was about libreference-ril, which, if I understand correctly the boot process, is not involved in setting the GPRS link up. |
| 17:29.41 | AstainHellbring | ahh right that one was something else |
| 17:30.27 | premy | AstainHellbring: however, as I posted this morning, reverting to the original libreference-ril makes incoming calls and sms work, I think. |
| 17:30.53 | AstainHellbring | incoming calls works with his ril though |
| 17:32.34 | martin__ | premy: I don't get what you think the two pointers mean now |
| 17:33.16 | martin__ | I named them a9_ptr and a11_ptr on the basis that each processor always wrote to the same location in the smem struct. |
| 17:33.30 | martin__ | as opposed to head and tail |
| 17:33.53 | Baget | anyone? |
| 17:36.11 | martin__ | premy: I renamed a9_ptr to tail and a11_ptr to head and then most of the code makes sense again |
| 17:36.20 | martin__ | except for smd_write_avail |
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| 17:36.53 | martin__ | where you've got tail - head |
| 17:37.22 | martin__ | so I think what smd_write_avail is returning will be bollocks |
| 17:37.31 | martin__ | which will break things in subtle ways |
| 17:40.29 | premy | martin__: you're right head/tail makes more sense. |
| 17:40.38 | martin__ | hang on I'll upload a fixed version |
| 17:43.05 | martin__ | http:/void.printf.net/~martin/kaiser-smd.c |
| 17:43.52 | premy | martin__: you must also be right for smd_write_avail (not sure where it's used, though). |
| 17:45.47 | martin__ | it's used by smd_tty.c |
| 17:47.48 | martin__ | Also, I think you want to set fTAIL=1 after line 211, as smd.c does. |
| 17:48.46 | martin__ | though really, we need to port the whole of the rest of smd.c to be sure things will work reliably |
| 17:49.15 | martin__ | there's flow control flags there that the ARM9 will probably expect to be used and honoured |
| 17:50.05 | martin__ | and the state stuff that will matter if we ever want to be able to open and close the channels |
| 17:52.21 | martin__ | i think we could use smd.c with minimal changes |
| 17:52.39 | martin__ | we just need that padding int in the struct |
| 17:52.52 | martin__ | and different addresses and interrupts |
| 17:53.03 | martin__ | aside from that it's the same code really |
| 18:00.25 | martin__ | premy: also, BURST_SIZE should maybe be set to 0xf4. |
| 18:01.08 | martin__ | based on dzo's original suggestion in 7x00-smd.c / vogue-smd.c |
| 18:01.50 | martin__ | either that or the buurst stuff should be removed entirely |
| 18:02.23 | martin__ | since at the moment BURST_SIZE is set so high it's effectively disabled |
| 18:06.09 | martin__ | ...did I scare everybody off? |
| 18:08.37 | premy | martin__: I agree the whole stuff can use a clean-up, as we were saying some days ago. Now that it sort of works, it might be the time to do it. |
| 18:12.02 | dcordes | would be great so we can commit it to the git |
| 18:12.43 | martin__ | premy: did you try the version I just posted? |
| 18:13.16 | dcordes | premy: would be nice to also add your polaris specific changes |
| 18:13.45 | dcordes | and then finally merge with dzo's updates and then up to the latest android head |
| 18:14.01 | dcordes | think they are at 2.6.25 now |
| 18:14.55 | martin__ | The reason I think it would be good to sync with smd.c is that it would be more likeley to be merged upstream. |
| 18:15.35 | martin__ | If we can figure out exactly what the differences are between 7200 and 7500A etc |
| 18:15.44 | martin__ | then we can share most of the code |
| 18:15.48 | dcordes | martin__: yes would be useful so we can save pain when it all goes mainline |
| 18:16.16 | dcordes | I doubt though mainline will accept an onscreen keyboard driver in kernel |
| 18:16.17 | martin__ | having all these different implementations of the smd stuff on different devices is a nasty mess |
| 18:16.39 | martin__ | The google smd.c is always going to be the best as they have access to the chip docs |
| 18:17.48 | martin__ | so we should be taking that as a base and finding a good way to isolate the device-specific differences |
| 18:17.58 | martin__ | submit that as a minimal patch to their version |
| 18:18.09 | martin__ | then in future it will be much easier to port new devices |
| 18:18.38 | dcordes | device specifiv is smd, keypads, touchscreen..? |
| 18:19.02 | martin__ | there's a lot |
| 18:19.09 | martin__ | similar arguments apply to all of it |
| 18:19.28 | martin__ | smd seems like a good place to start |
| 18:19.59 | martin__ | i'm still getting my head round the android code though |
| 18:20.29 | martin__ | it does a lot more stuff and I'm not sure how to isolate the bits we need best |
| 18:21.32 | dcordes | the rpc routing you mean? |
| 18:21.34 | martin__ | premy: what's your name/email for the comments |
| 18:21.45 | martin__ | writing up a tidy version |
| 18:27.44 | dcordes | martin__: do you want commit access to the git? |
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| 18:28.08 | martin__ | notbothered |
| 18:28.16 | martin__ | this'll need tested fist |
| 18:28.24 | martin__ | first |
| 18:56.17 | Romain_ | hello men, sorry for disturbing you, i want to know how can i build my how toolchain to modify the omap850 kernel ? |
| 18:56.28 | Romain_ | (sorry for my bad english sirs) |
| 18:57.53 | marajin | Romain_: As with everyone who apologizes for their bad english, your english is fine |
| 18:58.45 | Romain_ | hum... your not saying that for long time |
| 18:59.01 | marajin | I was away eating my dinner |
| 18:59.08 | Romain_ | ok |
| 18:59.26 | Romain_ | in french we say "bon appetit" |
| 18:59.34 | marajin | And heh, I might. I know people who ARE english who can't speak english as well as you |
| 18:59.40 | marajin | Merci beaucoup ;) |
| 18:59.49 | Romain_ | lol |
| 19:00.30 | marajin | I can guarantee your english is better than my french though ;) |
| 19:01.03 | Romain_ | hehe |
| 19:01.08 | Romain_ | perhaps you can help me after diner, i want to put my hand in the omap linux kernel |
| 19:01.31 | Romain_ | i have many many questions, but the first is to build a toolchain |
| 19:03.17 | marajin | Unfortunately I don't really know much about that, I imagine there's a wiki page somewhere to hand though. |
| 19:03.45 | marajin | http://lvcargnini.blogspot.com/2006/01/creating-toolchain-for-omap.html <-- There seem to be posts about how to do it though |
| 19:04.15 | kiozen | I think dcordes must know very well now |
| 19:04.23 | Romain_ | Yip HA ! |
| 19:04.26 | Romain_ | thanks a lot |
| 19:04.39 | Romain_ | excactly what i searching |
| 19:04.56 | kiozen | cr2: around? |
| 19:05.03 | marajin | Romain_: Ok, good luck :) |
| 19:05.28 | marajin | Romain_: Or Bonne Chance if you prefer |
| 19:05.36 | Romain_ | lol |
| 19:05.38 | Romain_ | great |
| 19:05.47 | Romain_ | you frech is very well |
| 19:06.06 | marajin | My french teacher told me I was terrible and would never pass french |
| 19:06.42 | Romain_ | lol, i think french is not very easy tolearn |
| 19:06.46 | Romain_ | to learn |
| 19:06.54 | marajin | Harder than English? ;) |
| 19:06.59 | Romain_ | year |
| 19:07.09 | Romain_ | i make a lot of mistake in french |
| 19:07.21 | marajin | Well that makes two of us ;) |
| 19:07.24 | Romain_ | not very good for a french |
| 19:07.30 | Romain_ | :) |
| 19:07.40 | Romain_ | i think i prefer C ! |
| 19:07.47 | Romain_ | ;) |
| 19:07.52 | Romain_ | C/C++. |
| 19:08.09 | marajin | Yes, but it's a little hard when you must talk to a girl and say how you feel in C/C++ or such :P |
| 19:08.10 | Romain_ | Another thanks Marajin, i'm going to read... and try |
| 19:08.12 | kiozen | has definetly a much nicer "gammar" |
| 19:08.17 | Romain_ | lol |
| 19:08.28 | Romain_ | sur (shur) |
| 19:08.45 | marajin | English grammar is great fun :P |
| 19:08.50 | kiozen | irregular verbs where driving me nuts in French |
| 19:09.01 | Romain_ | me too |
| 19:09.05 | marajin | English actually is a language in which you may say absolutely anything and mean absolutely nothing |
| 19:09.11 | kiozen | yes english is much more straight forward |
| 19:09.33 | Romain_ | yes, much short, much expressive |
| 19:09.37 | kiozen | marajin: that you can do in any language, even in c/c++ |
| 19:09.50 | marajin | kiozen: Ah yes but it's easy in English! |
| 19:09.56 | kiozen | lol |
| 19:10.09 | marajin | But yes, I suppose we are more explicit about things sometimes |
| 19:10.43 | marajin | I should speak with my local variant of english, you wouldn't say it was so easy then though :P |
| 19:11.03 | Romain_ | what is it ? sample ? |
| 19:11.37 | marajin | It'd come out something like "sithey lad, aht e'er sin a sow lep o'er t'gat" or something =) |
| 19:11.52 | cr2 | hi kiozen |
| 19:11.53 | Romain_ | Whaou.... |
| 19:11.56 | marajin | It's a nonsense example of course, just oe I use often |
| 19:12.03 | kiozen | hi cr2 |
| 19:12.07 | Romain_ | lol |
| 19:12.08 | cr2 | kiozen: i'll try your latest rootfs now |
| 19:12.13 | kiozen | ok |
| 19:12.31 | marajin | it means "Look here boy, have you ever seen a (female) pig jump over a gate?" |
| 19:13.06 | kiozen | cr2: I have NMI now will be back in an hour. but I read the logs :) |
| 19:13.15 | Romain_ | year, :) |
| 19:13.17 | cr2 | kiozen: i may be moving back to München in the autumn, but we will see.. |
| 19:13.21 | cr2 | kiozen: ok. |
| 19:13.28 | kiozen | cr2: cool ! |
| 19:13.53 | Romain_ | thaks a lot for your url MArajin, i go to read, have nice nigth |
| 19:13.58 | Romain_ | bye all |
| 19:14.01 | cr2 | yeah, looking for a new job. |
| 19:14.07 | Romain_ | i stay connected here |
| 19:14.17 | marajin | Romain_: Ok, good luck and have fun! |
| 19:27.14 | ginge_ | marajin: eeyup, owar'the. Y'all reet? ;) |
| 19:27.26 | ginge_ | marajin: Derby |
| 19:27.50 | marajin | ginge_: Heh :P |
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| 19:49.24 | marajin | ginge_: I'm a Bolton lad myself |
| 19:49.57 | ginge_ | marajin: I'm an adopted manc now :) |
| 19:50.17 | marajin | ginge_: Oh really? Not that far away at all then |
| 19:50.38 | ginge_ | marajin: small world :) |
| 19:50.44 | marajin | ginge_: We'll go for a celebratory pint when linux/android works on the kaiser eh? :P |
| 19:50.55 | ginge_ | marajin: sounds good :) |
| 19:51.35 | marajin | ginge: What's with the name exactly? |
| 19:51.54 | ginge | marajin: my nick? hair colour |
| 19:52.02 | marajin | you're a redhead? |
| 19:52.05 | ginge | yeah |
| 19:52.08 | marajin | heh |
| 19:52.14 | marajin | Small world indeed :P |
| 19:52.18 | ginge | lol |
| 19:52.29 | marajin | See, evidence! Mark of intelligence it is! ;) |
| 19:53.02 | ginge | maybe the persecution in youth makes us stronger ;) |
| 19:53.18 | marajin | It made me spread a few noses |
| 19:53.25 | marajin | Nobody questioned it much after that ;0 |
| 19:53.53 | ginge | is scared |
| 19:54.09 | marajin | I was "Ginger nut", but it became "Psycho Tommy" during my school days |
| 19:55.09 | ginge | Being from Nottingham, fighting back generally involves getting stabbed somehow. |
| 19:55.30 | marajin | You're an adopted manc now, you think it's nicer over here? :P |
| 19:55.40 | marajin | besides... I was the one with the biggest knife :P |
| 19:56.17 | ginge | much. nicer. "You call that a knife - this is a knife" |
| 19:56.37 | marajin | man I'm not crocodile dundee :P |
| 19:58.05 | marajin | I could have fun with tha |
| 19:58.08 | marajin | +t |
| 19:58.15 | marajin | "You call that a knife? " |
| 19:58.23 | marajin | draws a zweihander sword |
| 20:01.30 | ginge | marajin: which devices do you hack? |
| 20:01.46 | marajin | Hermes and Kaiser |
| 20:02.19 | ginge | I have those + blueangel |
| 20:02.38 | marajin | I wasn't rich enough during the blueangel days :P |
| 20:02.44 | marajin | I'm still not actually |
| 20:02.47 | marajin | but wth ;) |
| 20:03.02 | ginge | snap. Luckily Orange are pretty generous and I can complain like hell |
| 20:03.15 | marajin | heh :) |
| 20:03.26 | marajin | O2 like me so I get damned good service from them |
| 20:03.35 | marajin | I have no idea why, I just seem to be blessed when dealing with O2 |
| 20:04.13 | ginge | gota say though, the blueangel is still my favourite, despite it being as big as a suitcase |
| 20:04.21 | marajin | Oh? |
| 20:04.57 | ginge | hermes: Radio failed. Kaiser: Tilt failed x 3 slider wobbly. Screen alignment issues from factory. |
| 20:05.47 | ginge | that and the fact I make about 1 phone call per week, but spend a lot of time on tinternet |
| 20:05.58 | ginge | the large screen helps |
| 20:06.17 | marajin | hmm |
| 20:06.29 | marajin | really my hermes is lasting nicely and my tilt is perfect |
| 20:06.32 | marajin | er |
| 20:06.35 | marajin | kaiser is perfect |
| 20:09.05 | marajin | hmm wow, didn't realise the blueangel was THAT powerful |
| 20:09.45 | ginge | yeah decent bit of kit |
| 20:10.30 | ginge | I wonder if my hermes is fried. The radio started not working intermittently, and then it went entirely. I didn't bother trying anything to fix it. |
| 20:11.59 | marajin | NFC, how old is your hermes? |
| 20:11.59 | ginge | what is Linux support like for hermes? |
| 20:12.37 | ginge | not a clue. how can I tell? |
| 20:12.49 | marajin | Nah I mean like, when id you get it? |
| 20:12.57 | marajin | and linux on hermes... eh console + usbnet basicaly |
| 20:13.14 | ginge | 2 years? |
| 20:13.31 | ginge | when did it come out in the UK, about then |
| 20:14.04 | marajin | No idea, I got mine quite late, It's only about a year old |
| 20:14.16 | marajin | the kaiser was released not long after actually |
| 20:15.29 | ginge | is hermes usb client only? |
| 20:15.53 | marajin | as far as I know yep |
| 20:17.14 | kiozen | cr2: does it work? |
| 20:21.20 | marajin | ginge: Why do you think the blueangel is so oversized though :P Thinking about the figures it's not that bad! |
| 20:21.28 | cr2 | kiozen: does not boot, i'm reformatting it again. |
| 20:21.57 | ginge | its a bit large and heavy to hold to your head for a long conversation |
| 20:22.14 | ginge | marajin: its just not comfortable to hold for extended periods |
| 20:22.28 | cr2 | kiozen: umounting |
| 20:22.37 | marajin | ginge: 205g? :P |
| 20:22.59 | ginge | marajin: maybe the daily ridicule has changed it in my mind somewhat |
| 20:23.15 | marajin | ginge: Maybe,it's only 10-15g heavier than the kaiser |
| 20:23.51 | ginge | marajin: hmm. Fair enough :) |
| 20:23.57 | marajin | But I'm kinda biased about mobile device weights anyway |
| 20:24.03 | ginge | howso? |
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| 20:24.32 | marajin | I weigh 113kg, nothing in the mere 100s of grams is remotely heavyto me :P |
| 20:25.01 | ginge | fair enough :) |
| 20:25.08 | cr2 | kiozen: lol. the suse kernel oopsed on umount. |
| 20:25.18 | marajin | I happen to LIKE laptops that weigh 5kg for example |
| 20:25.31 | marajin | chunky and manly! :p |
| 20:25.57 | kiozen | cr2: I don't care about the suse kernel, I wnat to see that rootfs fly ! ;) |
| 20:26.07 | cr2 | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000000 RIP: |
| 20:26.07 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.29 | marajin | Nah, I just think that people worry too much about a few grams of weight. I think perhaps they probably do let opinion change fact |
| 20:26.35 | ginge | marajin: I like a balance between large screen and something I can carry fairly discretely. I work in Salford, and there are daily muggings of people with laptops. |
| 20:26.42 | cr2 | hm. i'll better reboot the notebook now |
| 20:26.52 | marajin | yeah, I've been through salford enough times |
| 20:27.06 | marajin | stopping at the lights in your car is risk enough in salford |
| 20:27.18 | ginge | or living |
| 20:27.24 | marajin | heh ;P |
| 20:27.30 | kiozen | lol my rootfs forced cr2 out of the channel :p |
| 20:27.42 | marajin | If only we could invent an anti-chav forcefield! |
| 20:28.20 | ginge | marajin: maybe I could hack up some kind of kernel module for that... |
| 20:28.26 | marajin | heh :P |
| 20:28.38 | marajin | "Danger Will Robison! Danger! Chav at 9 o'clock!" |
| 20:29.43 | marajin | Well we could probably do burberry detection routines using the camera at least |
| 20:29.53 | ginge | marajin: I was thinking more along the lines of "set_radio_wattage(9000); fry_scally(overthere);" |
| 20:30.01 | marajin | rofl |
| 20:30.10 | marajin | a 9000 watt radio? |
| 20:30.17 | marajin | dude, what kinda battery is in your device? |
| 20:30.18 | ginge | over 9000! |
| 20:30.52 | ginge | Mr Fusion kaiser hack. |
| 20:31.03 | marajin | Aaah, I love the smell of toasted scally in the morning? :P |
| 20:31.59 | marajin | still |
| 20:32.10 | marajin | I get your point on keeping it somewhat discreet |
| 20:32.45 | marajin | Though I yearn to see a chav try to deal with a kaiser, especially with linux on it :p |
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| 20:32.53 | ginge | lol |
| 20:33.36 | marajin | Can we not train voice command to reply to "minted" with something insulting for example? |
| 20:34.23 | ginge | heh. maybe something more suble "minted" "peas, yes please" |
| 20:34.28 | marajin | Do they still say minted? I stopped listening to them some years ago |
| 20:34.48 | ginge | I don't know. I think things are "safe" again. |
| 20:35.14 | marajin | "minted, wicked innit?" ... "What're you saying? You think that coinage is somehow inherently evil due to its manufacturing process?" |
| 20:35.20 | marajin | man they get annoyed when you do things like that :P |
| 20:35.29 | ginge | rofl |
| 20:36.38 | ginge | hmm. So where in this android image is the data init? I want to look at that while I am in there fixing the damn key layout. |
| 20:36.52 | marajin | heh, what's wrong with the layout/ |
| 20:37.26 | ginge | nothing much, but I want to make sure I can hang up and dial properly |
| 20:37.40 | marajin | oh, that WOULD be handy tis true |
| 20:38.04 | marajin | dialing through contacts and hanging up via ..well, can you hang up technically yet? |
| 20:38.19 | ginge | I hope to look into that problem |
| 20:38.39 | marajin | dialing is a bit of a PIA with the touchscreen alignment at the moment anyway |
| 20:38.56 | marajin | and not being able to hold fn and type a number |
| 20:39.02 | marajin | have to do discrete presses |
| 20:39.15 | ginge | well, I have a touchscreen fix on the go. it doesn't make it perfect yet, but better |
| 20:39.39 | marajin | Enough that dialing isn't prone to missing the buttons completely? :P |
| 20:40.06 | ginge | we shall see. I am working on integrating something similar to dzo's touchscreen calibration in. |
| 20:40.27 | marajin | Well, certainly will be necessary at some point |
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| 20:40.55 | ginge | its still a hack. The whole thing looks like a good candidate for a rewrite |
| 20:41.12 | marajin | Ah, the joy of software development! |
| 20:41.21 | marajin | I really don't miss doing it as full time employment |
| 20:41.50 | ginge | I am just getting back into it. I seem to yoyo back in and out. |
| 20:42.04 | marajin | burn out on it? |
| 20:42.19 | ginge | yeah, every time |
| 20:42.25 | marajin | it happens |
| 20:42.40 | marajin | So, what do you do to buy your pints anyway? |
| 20:43.11 | ginge | I write software for something evil, that you almost certainly wouldn't like |
| 20:43.23 | marajin | Try e |
| 20:44.05 | marajin | *me |
| 20:44.05 | marajin | I can be a very evil man |
| 20:44.05 | cr2 | kiozen: next attempt ;-) |
| 20:44.05 | kiozen | lol |
| 20:44.05 | ginge | marajin: you know the people that interrupt your tea only to find there is nobody there... |
| 20:44.06 | ginge | marajin: ont the phone that is |
| 20:44.17 | marajin | ginge: Vaguely, Not had a problem since I TPS registered the line |
| 20:44.22 | ginge | marajin: well I basically write the wardiallers for that |
| 20:44.40 | marajin | ginge: You absolute bastard ;) |
| 20:44.58 | ginge | marajin: :( |
| 20:45.35 | marajin | heh :P |
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| 20:45.50 | ginge | kopete krapped out on me |
| 20:45.57 | marajin | It does that |
| 20:45.58 | cr2 | kiozen: umount has finished gracefully :) |
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| 20:46.12 | kiozen | jippeee! |
| 20:46.13 | ginge | marajin: first one this month. |
| 20:46.18 | marajin | Anyway, I figure someone's gotta write the damned softwareso why not make money outta it? :) |
| 20:46.30 | marajin | ginge: Actually, yeah, kopete hasn't yet crashed on me in... |
| 20:46.40 | marajin | 21:50:43 up 146 days, 22:06, 8 users, load average: 2.02, 1.92, 1.83 |
| 20:46.47 | marajin | nearly 147 days |
| 20:48.09 | cr2 | kiozen: unable to open initial console |
| 20:48.27 | cr2 | kiozen: i'll check /dev again |
| 20:48.28 | kiozen | cr2: again no dev nodes? |
| 20:49.17 | ginge | marajin: so what about you? What is your beer bringer? |
| 20:49.25 | cr2 | kiozen: rebooting |
| 20:49.41 | marajin | ginge: Technically I'm a benefit claiming bum of an invalid right now :( |
| 20:50.09 | ginge | marajin: lucky b****** |
| 20:50.25 | kiozen | cr2: crud, looks like oe broke their repository again, compiling latest version fail on perl ! |
| 20:50.25 | marajin | ginge: But benefit pays so shit I make a few quid on the side doing general IT stuffs, building, repairing and maintaining computers/networks/etc. |
| 20:50.53 | cr2 | kiozen: hangs after 'Freeing init memory' |
| 20:51.04 | ginge | marajin: so the supposed easy life on benefits is an urban legend? |
| 20:51.15 | marajin | ginge: Ah well ya see I'm not called Patel ;) |
| 20:51.26 | kiozen | cr2: is that related to kernel or oe? |
| 20:51.36 | ginge | marajin: ahem :) |
| 20:51.50 | cr2 | kiozen: oe. the usb stick boot works ok. |
| 20:52.20 | marajin | ginge: It's not to be racist but more a remark on the government overpandering to be racially/politically "correct" |
| 20:52.27 | kiozen | cr2: I am running out of ideas on how to get that badly documented bullshit working :( |
| 20:52.50 | marajin | ginge: I was once actually TOLD I couldn't recieve some payment, but, and I quote, "If you were black it would have been different" |
| 20:52.56 | ginge | marajin: to the point of making sure minorities get jobs over everyone else, apparently |
| 20:53.13 | ginge | crazy world |
| 20:53.46 | cr2 | kiozen: the kernel reacts on the usb connect/disconnect. it's some userspace problem. the sd card is detected and mounted properly. |
| 20:53.53 | marajin | Man when the woman at the office wossname actually just straight up and says I don't get it because I'm white... that's outright fucked up ;) |
| 20:54.55 | marajin | at the start of june they lost all my records ya know, claimed I'd never had a right to benefit (no medical evidence on record) and that I'd been paid "by accident" for 18 months |
| 20:55.18 | marajin | they wanted me to repay them like 5 grand because they messed up -.- |
| 20:55.24 | ginge | wow. I hope they didn't take the money back |
| 20:55.33 | marajin | they tried |
| 20:55.41 | kiozen | cr2: well it's like described in "getting started", but my impression from #oe is that they don't know/care what is happening to oe |
| 20:55.43 | marajin | I went absolutely ballistic at them |
| 20:56.07 | ginge | as you would |
| 20:56.18 | marajin | they backed down, first agreeing that I needn't repay for /their/ mistake and eventually accepting that yes, I am ill and restarting my payments/backdating them |
| 20:56.45 | marajin | But now they're paying me a frankly comical 45 pounds/ week |
| 20:57.18 | ginge | eh? it costs about that to get on a bus these days. And if you drive thats about 4 miles in a car |
| 20:57.27 | marajin | No kidding |
| 20:57.38 | cr2 | kiozen: take the rootfs from angstrom ? or the debian for the universal |
| 20:57.52 | marajin | And ya know, I haven't GOT a local bus service |
| 20:58.05 | marajin | They shut it down years ago |
| 20:58.13 | marajin | "Phone a taxi" they say |
| 20:58.22 | kiozen | cr2: think it is the angstrom, but who knows for sure in this config mess :) |
| 20:58.28 | marajin | a taxi is ~ 3 quid as soon as you open the door |
| 20:58.41 | kiozen | cr2: maybe I should try my old config file |
| 20:58.47 | ginge | thats insane. The busses where I live come 1 an hour. The rest are all in manchester serving up setkey 0x80 0xe5 0x706students |
| 20:58.52 | ginge | oops |
| 20:59.04 | cr2 | kiozen: but then you need some working monotone tag. |
| 20:59.19 | marajin | yeah, well I live on the edge of town, mostly older folk around here though so buses make sense |
| 20:59.20 | kiozen | cr2: ??? |
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| 20:59.24 | marajin | plenty of them don't drive |
| 20:59.29 | Baget | Hello |
| 20:59.45 | cr2 | kiozen: since the most recent tag does not work. |
| 20:59.54 | ginge | Baget: hi |
| 21:00.17 | Baget | I'm trying to run Linux on HTC Magician (O2 XDA Mini II), but after the bootloader loaded I'm getting White Screen, can someone help me with that? |
| 21:00.20 | kiozen | cr2: ok, I try the old htcuniversal based config tomorrow. |
| 21:00.25 | Baget | ginge: hi |
| 21:00.33 | kiozen | cr2: already shut down my pc at work :) |
| 21:01.05 | cr2 | kiozen: well, maybe we'd really take debian as a base ? |
| 21:01.16 | ginge | Baget: sorry I know nothing about magician |
| 21:01.38 | kiozen | cr2: I don't care, I just want to have a working rootfs with proj4 and gdal |
| 21:01.41 | cr2 | Baget: do you know the LCD panel type |
| 21:01.51 | kiozen | cr2: managed to compile gdal 1.4.4 |
| 21:01.57 | cr2 | kiozen: ok. |
| 21:02.29 | cr2 | kiozen: i just want to make sure that BT works |
| 21:02.31 | Baget | cr2: 2.8" Transflective 65,536 colour LCD (240ª320 pixels) |
| 21:02.56 | kiozen | cr2: and I need something sane to distribute :) |
| 21:03.00 | cr2 | Baget: afair there are 2 LCD types in magician. toppoly and samsung. |
| 21:03.26 | Baget | cr2: How can I know that is my type? |
| 21:03.26 | cr2 | kiozen: ok, but let's make sure that kernel works properly first. |
| 21:03.37 | cr2 | Baget: can you ssh to magician ? |
| 21:03.58 | cr2 | Baget: another option may be to mess around using haret. |
| 21:04.53 | kiozen | cr2: sure, but getting the rootfs now will save time :) |
| 21:05.42 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, i hate the instability of oe myself ;) |
| 21:05.51 | cr2 | Baget: here is the kernel code: |
| 21:05.55 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.59 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.00 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:06.37 | cr2 | Baget: so it's 1bit that you need to check. |
| 21:07.15 | Baget | cr2: currently it run W2003 |
| 21:07.17 | cr2 | Baget: so if you can ssh over usb to linux, you can run 'dmesg'. |
| 21:07.33 | cr2 | Baget: it does not matter, as long you can run haret. |
| 21:07.46 | Baget | cr2: I will try |
| 21:07.47 | Baget | thanks |
| 21:09.13 | Rom1 | Sorry for stupid quetion but what is the difference between LinWizard et Htc-linux ? you work one the same project ? |
| 21:10.12 | cr2 | Rom1: htc-linux is this channel. linwizard is a kernel for the wizard-type htc omap850-based phones using custom i2c-cpld. |
| 21:11.34 | Rom1 | i just try to put linWizard under my HTC prophet and login with ssh, i'm so happy, i want to go more over |
| 21:11.37 | cr2 | Rom1: since htc uses 3(4) cpu types for their phones, htc-linux is more general thing than linwizard. |
| 21:11.53 | Rom1 | i want to build a toolchain for compile a kernel |
| 21:12.04 | Rom1 | can you tell me the current version ? |
| 21:12.18 | Rom1 | kernel, patch and toolchain ? |
| 21:12.19 | cr2 | Rom1: prophet is a wiazrd-type device, so you'll get best results with linwizard kernel. |
| 21:12.40 | Rom1 | and you know where is the soure code and patch ? |
| 21:12.43 | cr2 | i'm not sure. i think they use a git branch at linuxtogo |
| 21:12.53 | cr2 | for the latest stuff |
| 21:13.01 | Rom1 | hum |
| 21:13.08 | Rom1 | can you tell me what is a git ? |
| 21:13.14 | Rom1 | g.i.t ? |
| 21:13.28 | Rom1 | a csv like ? |
| 21:13.34 | cr2 | a version control system like cvs |
| 21:13.47 | Rom1 | ok |
| 21:13.53 | cr2 | http://git.linuxtogo.org |
| 21:14.45 | cr2 | but i think you'd check their wiki first. |
| 21:15.14 | cr2 | i think they even managed to run the phone recently. |
| 21:15.17 | Rom1 | the linwizard wiki ? |
| 21:15.44 | Rom1 | yes, i want to contribute, it's a very good project |
| 21:15.54 | Rom1 | but i have to "do my hand" before |
| 21:16.17 | Rom1 | and i dont understand well how the "developpement" is organised... |
| 21:17.22 | cr2 | i don't have an omap850 phone myself, so i can't give you a 100% sure advice :) |
| 21:17.39 | Rom1 | ok thanx |
| 21:17.49 | Rom1 | and just for information you work on what device ? |
| 21:17.55 | Rom1 | witch device ? |
| 21:18.54 | martin__ | dcordes: i can't get premy's kaiser-smd to work |
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| 21:19.12 | martin__ | any clues? |
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| 21:20.27 | martin__ | dcordes: was there something about radio versions? |
| 21:20.27 | cr2 | Rom1: many, but mostly pxa-based. i also have hermes which has a samsung s3c2442 cpu. |
| 21:20.53 | Rom1 | ok |
| 21:21.37 | martin__ | cr2: remember that MSM_A2M_INT stuff you were looking at? |
| 21:22.20 | cr2 | martin__: yes. |
| 21:23.04 | martin__ | did we conclude it was just MSM_CSR_BASE + 0x404 and 408 that wince wrote? |
| 21:24.37 | cr2 | yes, at least for the first two. |
| 21:24.44 | martin__ | that's what premy's got in his code now |
| 21:25.18 | cr2 | martin__: the A2M irqs on diamond have more talking names. i've mistakenly put them into kaiserirq wiki page. |
| 21:25.25 | martin__ | but i'd still like to distinguish what each is for |
| 21:25.36 | cr2 | martin__: but i think they are the same ? |
| 21:26.31 | martin__ | on msm7500a there are separate a2m ines for smd, proc_comm and smsm. |
| 21:26.42 | Rom1 | i want to put the hand on my Prophet kernel, i've no toolchain where i can start ? |
| 21:27.00 | cr2 | martin__: the entries with '+' are from diamond |
| 21:27.03 | cr2 | martin__: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_IRQ |
| 21:27.42 | cr2 | Rom1: they are all the same, as long as you are using armv4 target. |
| 21:27.51 | martin__ | what's diamond cpu? |
| 21:28.02 | cr2 | martin__: 7201A |
| 21:28.24 | cr2 | 7200 and 7500 differ only in the UMTS vs. CDMA |
| 21:28.55 | cr2 | 720xA have some ati-based 3D video accel support. |
| 21:29.50 | martin__ | it's not the only difference or vogue-smd would run on kaiser |
| 21:30.09 | Rom1 | ok for "armv4" thanks a lot, and for the kernel, i have to download from kernel.org and apply a OMAP patch or i have to get a complet kernel non official source ? |
| 21:31.09 | cr2 | Rom1: i think there are some options. search for linux-omap . |
| 21:31.42 | cr2 | Rom1: the omap support in hh.org CVS is very outdated, and should not be used in any case. |
| 21:32.01 | Rom1 | ok |
| 21:32.08 | martin__ | cr2: it's not the kaiser irq stuff I'm interested in |
| 21:32.10 | Rom1 | thanks cr2 |
| 21:32.24 | marajin | cr2: So the whole wanting video drivers for the kaiser is pointless, it doesn't actually HAVE the video acceleration? |
| 21:32.28 | martin__ | it's the interrupt lines TO the modem |
| 21:32.39 | cr2 | martin__: it depends on how the pistachio interacts with wince. |
| 21:32.53 | cr2 | marajin: imho, yes. |
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| 21:33.24 | cr2 | marajin: if the hardware is not there, you can't do much about it. |
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| 21:34.13 | cr2 | marajin: the diamond rom has many ati hooks, but it's not yet clear how is this working. it needs more research. |
| 21:34.19 | marajin | cr2: How come they have accelerated OGL-ES stuff mentioned on the htcclassaction site then? |
| 21:34.20 | martin__ | cr2: i know how it interacts |
| 21:34.30 | martin__ | that's what the smd code does |
| 21:34.47 | martin__ | hoping to distinguish two signals we send the arm9 |
| 21:34.59 | martin__ | we don't need to set both |
| 21:35.20 | cr2 | marajin: either they are not very hw competent, or it's the software implementation. like mesa vs. opengl |
| 21:35.39 | marajin | cr2: I guess, it's apparently outperforming the diamond oddly though |
| 21:36.04 | marajin | cr2: They claim the kaiser was getting 132 FPS average where the diamond only gets 80 (same viewport size) |
| 21:36.18 | martin__ | AIUI even the 7200 has 2d accel |
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| 21:38.55 | marajin | martin__: Yeah, I know someone who works in MS's WM division, he /implied/ (because of NDA) that really it's the OEMs that are being idiots but that there were "issues" surrouding the MSM7x00 stuff |
| 21:39.17 | martin__ | cr2: ok, thought that's what you were doing when you found that stuf. |
| 21:39.29 | cr2 | Rom1: it's some java-based gui for linux written by google. |
| 21:40.21 | cr2 | martin__: unless somebody will post a leaked msm datasheet, we will never know. |
| 21:40.23 | marajin | martin__: Rather oddly he also mentioned "WM7 will be better about these things" |
| 21:40.24 | Rom1 | ok, thanks a lot (my english is not very good and sometimes i misunderstood information) |
| 21:40.31 | marajin | martin__: Which I found an odd thing to comment |
| 21:41.00 | martin__ | may mean MS has licensed the stuff thmselves |
| 21:41.14 | marajin | martin__: Yeah or that they're changing how WM7 handles hardware |
| 21:41.25 | martin__ | so they stop loooking bad when wince runs like ass |
| 21:41.39 | marajin | martin__: Or how the OEMs licences oblige them to support acceleration orsomething |
| 21:41.59 | marajin | martin__: It's impossible to know exactly why WM7 will be 'better', it's just interesting that it supposedly will |
| 21:42.06 | cr2 | martin__: even msm6250 has some kind of 3D accel. but it's limited to 220x176 only. |
| 21:42.12 | martin__ | heh, yeah, that's more like MS |
| 21:42.53 | cr2 | marajin: WM`expr ${version}+1` is better by definition. |
| 21:42.59 | marajin | martin__: Probably, I find it the most probable thing they'd do. Just make it a contingent of the licence that any device on WM7 must have a certain level of acceleration. |
| 21:43.12 | marajin | cr2: Yeah but I know the guy, he wouldn't bother to spout MS marketing BS at me |
| 21:43.43 | cr2 | marajin: what is WM7 really ? |
| 21:43.46 | marajin | cr2: Apparently we may see betas of WM7 soonish too for what it's worth |
| 21:44.06 | cr2 | the WM6 is nothing more than wince5 second edition ;) |
| 21:44.08 | marajin | cr2: They've revamped a bunch of the frameworks and the UI again as far as I know but they're not admitting much right now |
| 21:44.21 | martin__ | marajin: watch them buy up qualcomm stock before they announce that one |
| 21:44.30 | marajin | cr2: WMDC7 will run on XP as well as vista |
| 21:44.34 | marajin | cr2: No more activesync |
| 21:44.54 | cr2 | how do one syncs then ? |
| 21:45.01 | marajin | cr2: WMDC replaces activesync |
| 21:45.06 | cr2 | is it part of the os now ? |
| 21:45.07 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:45.30 | marajin | cr2: It'll be backwards compatible to er.. WM5 I think but it's mostly rewritten |
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| 21:47.00 | Baget | cr2: How can I connect to the ssh of my device? it does not have wifi |
| 21:48.07 | marajin | cr2: I do know one thing about WM7 though.. |
| 21:48.25 | marajin | cr2: It will decimate anything like the hermes on requirements |
| 21:48.32 | cr2 | Baget: over usb |
| 21:48.43 | marajin | cr2: Expect to need bareminimum of a kaiser or maybe a diamond to run it properly |
| 21:49.05 | Rom1 | Can someone tell me how to get "git" command on my ubuntu ? |
| 21:49.15 | Baget | cr2: can you refer me to a tutorial about it? |
| 21:49.17 | cr2 | marajin: hermes is a nice phone, but it has 64MB RAM. the same as my zaurus sl5500 had in 2003. |
| 21:49.24 | Baget | Rom1: try sudo apt-get git |
| 21:49.31 | Rom1 | i do |
| 21:49.32 | marajin | cr2: Sure, I had an RX3715 with 64MB years ago |
| 21:49.38 | Baget | Rom1: and? |
| 21:49.45 | cr2 | marajin: i guess diamond :) |
| 21:49.46 | ginge | marajin: carefully specced to make sure there is only one player int he market. I am surprised they don't have Intel HTc devices |
| 21:49.47 | Rom1 | her install someting |
| 21:49.52 | who__ | Rom1: apt-get install git-core |
| 21:49.55 | Rom1 | but when i try git command |
| 21:49.55 | marajin | cr2: And that is the problem with WM7, I think, there's just not enough memory in the hermes. |
| 21:50.00 | Rom1 | bash unknow command |
| 21:50.05 | marajin | cr2: It will run but ohsolaggy I'm told |
| 21:50.27 | marajin | cr2: Diamond is probably necessary for best performance yep |
| 21:50.29 | dcordes | ola |
| 21:50.35 | marajin | dcordes: 'lo there :) |
| 21:50.37 | cr2 | marajin: wince gui is not very responsive already ;) |
| 21:50.42 | dcordes | did I miss something important? log is huge |
| 21:50.46 | marajin | cr2: Haha, no kidding |
| 21:50.53 | marajin | dcordes: Nope, just chatting about rubbish I think :) |
| 21:50.57 | ginge | dcordes: I filled it up with crap |
| 21:51.12 | Baget | Rom1: reopen the bash |
| 21:51.12 | marajin | ginge: Now now, don't stealthe credit! |
| 21:51.14 | martin__ | dcordes: i'm stuck with premy's smd code |
| 21:51.28 | ginge | s/I filled/we filled/ |
| 21:51.30 | martin__ | how did you get it going? |
| 21:51.38 | dcordes | martin__: you didn't try it at all yet? |
| 21:51.44 | cr2 | martin__: any news about BT ? |
| 21:51.58 | cr2 | martin__: diamond uses uart3 (i think) |
| 21:52.05 | martin__ | dcordes: just been playing with it |
| 21:52.20 | martin__ | i can't get modem to answer at all |
| 21:52.30 | cr2 | diamond kernel has much more debugging info, because it's so new. |
| 21:52.36 | dcordes | ginge: didn't you have problems with premy's kaiser-smd.c at the beginning also but then made it work? |
| 21:52.48 | dcordes | martin__: oh wait you tried in console? |
| 21:52.58 | martin__ | yeah and then android |
| 21:53.01 | ginge | dcordes: yes, but I had to change my initrd |
| 21:53.14 | dcordes | martin__: android doesn't work either? |
| 21:53.21 | martin__ | no |
| 21:53.21 | Rom1 | restart bash => nothing |
| 21:53.23 | Rom1 | whereis git => git: /usr/share/git |
| 21:53.25 | Rom1 | ls /usr/share/git/ => dpkg-help.txt |
| 21:53.39 | martin__ | i tried to dial and it hung |
| 21:53.40 | dcordes | martin__: tried with the latest dzo initrd? |
| 21:53.41 | ginge | martin__: need a third test? |
| 21:54.01 | martin__ | i used the stuff from your kaiser bootkit dir |
| 21:54.26 | martin__ | that initrd, my kernel |
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| 21:55.25 | Rom1 | ok, i solved i think |
| 21:55.30 | Rom1 | sorry for disturbing |
| 21:55.33 | dcordes | martin__: try getting this one directly http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/initrd-android |
| 21:55.48 | martin__ | dcordes: heh, later |
| 21:55.51 | Baget | Rom1: what was the problem? |
| 21:55.55 | martin__ | on kaiser on train |
| 21:56.07 | martin__ | not the one with wifi anymore |
| 21:56.13 | Rom1 | apt-get install git-core (not git) |
| 21:57.01 | martin__ | dcordes: the one in kaiser-ootki is no good then? |
| 21:57.26 | dcordes | martin__: I think they are the same |
| 21:57.42 | martin__ | hm |
| 21:57.50 | dcordes | but 23:53 < ginge> dcordes: yes, but I had to change my initrd |
| 21:57.56 | dcordes | so I thought it might be a try |
| 21:58.18 | Rom1 | Baget : thanks for support |
| 21:58.30 | ginge | martin__: my if from dzo site |
| 21:58.36 | martin__ | ok |
| 21:58.38 | Baget | Rom1: you are welcome |
| 21:58.49 | Rom1 | I'm very happy to view this forum very active |
| 21:58.58 | Rom1 | this channel very active |
| 21:59.01 | martin__ | will try that when i'm at a connection again |
| 21:59.22 | martin__ | ginge: did you try dcordes' one? |
| 21:59.32 | ginge | no, I will download it. |
| 21:59.40 | martin__ | would be helpful to confirm if this is just me |
| 22:00.03 | dcordes | iirc I wgot it directly from dzo into my ltg ~ |
| 22:00.03 | martin__ | oh, also |
| 22:00.18 | Baget | Can someone help me? I'm trying to do this http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/ |
| 22:00.25 | martin__ | how are you guys dialling from android? |
| 22:00.35 | Baget | but Still getting White Screen |
| 22:00.45 | martin__ | i ran dialler and tyed nmber but there's no dial button |
| 22:00.46 | dcordes | martin__: quite well. we gotta remap dial button |
| 22:00.59 | dcordes | you need to add the desired number as a contact. else you can't dial |
| 22:01.05 | martin__ | ok |
| 22:01.11 | martin__ | that's what i did |
| 22:01.29 | martin__ | wasn't sure if i was missing something |
| 22:01.32 | ginge | martin__: I am working on changing the Android init scripts to make the keys work right |
| 22:02.25 | martin__ | ginge: would it not be better to change the kernel to what it's expecting? |
| 22:03.08 | ginge | yeah, I already did that. Trying to work out why it isnt workin |
| 22:03.20 | martin__ | ah, k |
| 22:03.40 | martin__ | cr2: re bluetooth, haven't done anything further yet |
| 22:06.52 | cr2 | martin__: it uses uart2dm ? |
| 22:07.21 | martin__ | looks like it |
| 22:07.31 | cr2 | ok, so it#s different too. |
| 22:07.52 | martin__ | need to play around with hciattach |
| 22:07.55 | cr2 | htc tries hard to make the drivers incompatible between the devices. |
| 22:08.05 | cr2 | wince drivers. |
| 22:08.08 | martin__ | oh, hang on though |
| 22:08.47 | martin__ | didn't we see the bluetooth dll mappin uart1? |
| 22:09.36 | ginge | martin__: no, we saw 0xa0200000 mapped into the next range, and was caught up in the traces |
| 22:09.52 | ginge | BT_RELATED |
| 22:10.07 | martin__ | ok |
| 22:10.19 | ginge | but dma looks to be shot |
| 22:10.22 | martin__ | so we still think uart2 |
| 22:10.24 | cr2 | ginge: virtual ? |
| 22:10.42 | martin__ | where's dma involved? |
| 22:10.43 | ginge | cr2: yeah 4k offset from the UART1 virtual |
| 22:10.59 | ginge | sorry, got dma on the brain, I meant uarts |
| 22:11.12 | cr2 | i've written bt related, because it was visible in serial.dll or something like that. may be titan though.. |
| 22:11.42 | ginge | cr2: you can read/write to the BT related, but it just locks and or times out |
| 22:12.31 | martin__ | urgh |
| 22:12.32 | martin__ | we need t write more of this down |
| 22:12.56 | martin__ | document everything we know with where we found it |
| 22:13.04 | ginge | yeah |
| 22:13.08 | cr2 | ginge: these DEX things are strange. |
| 22:13.24 | ginge | I put some logs up. yeah DEX is very strange |
| 22:13.29 | cr2 | maybe by writing to the regs directly you confuse the arm9. |
| 22:14.00 | ginge | possibly |
| 22:14.29 | dcordes | ginge: martin__ didn't you plan to just try loading the firmware from the bluez enabled initrd? |
| 22:14.44 | ginge | dcordes: yeah, no dice. |
| 22:14.48 | dcordes | k |
| 22:15.07 | cr2 | dcordes: i think fw is only about 3Mbit |
| 22:15.10 | ginge | the only thing that seems to do anything that looks like it is possibly thining about working, is UART2 |
| 22:15.48 | cr2 | dcordes: the same like brf6150 needs the .bts for a switch to 921600 |
| 22:16.27 | cr2 | otherwise it works with 115200 without any .bts tricks. |
| 22:16.44 | dcordes | ok so that's not critical? |
| 22:16.45 | ginge | I tried: the latest hciattach with the texas command line (does the .bts thing) and also without by using bitrates on the command line |
| 22:18.59 | cr2 | ginge: stty speed 115200 first ? |
| 22:19.09 | ginge | yeah |
| 22:19.13 | cr2 | ok |
| 22:20.08 | dcordes | so what can we do about bt? |
| 22:20.22 | ginge | screw it. I say we fix USB. |
| 22:20.32 | dcordes | did you already take a look at it? |
| 22:20.41 | ginge | you know I uncommented the USB stuff, and it doesn't cause a lockup on boot. |
| 22:20.52 | ginge | on the other hand it doesnt actually work |
| 22:21.23 | ginge | but I haven't run a trace yet. |
| 22:21.47 | ginge | did anyone see the google patches checked on a week or so ago. |
| 22:21.50 | ginge | ? |
| 22:21.57 | ginge | there might be some useful usb stuff in there. |
| 22:22.01 | dcordes | when I ucomment usb in the device init, it never boots |
| 22:22.22 | dcordes | no didn't look at the google tree recently |
| 22:23.04 | ginge | dcordes: odd. Maybe the other changes I made got it past that point. That seems highly unlikely. |
| 22:23.37 | dcordes | it's about suspend I think |
| 22:23.41 | dcordes | the commits 9 days ago that is |
| 22:23.59 | dcordes | http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=summary |
| 22:24.46 | dcordes | I think I will try to merge kaiser into the current google tomorrow |
| 22:24.49 | ginge | yeah, thats what I thought when I looked it over. There were some patches against the serial code to fiz various suspend and spinlock problems. |
| 22:25.03 | ginge | i can't say I looked too hard into the actual patches tho |
| 22:25.03 | dcordes | what's spinlock btw? |
| 22:25.18 | ginge | a busy wait |
| 22:26.16 | ginge | they are pretty important to get right, otherwise you end up with odd corner cases and deadlocks/races |
| 22:27.23 | cr2 | ginge: android patches are for an A cpu |
| 22:28.11 | ginge | cr2: oh well. I didn't read anything but the summaries, |
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| 22:31.57 | ginge | martin__: The smd you pasted a while back works. Can make calls etc |
| 22:32.03 | dcordes | cr2: so you're heading for munich? |
| 22:32.36 | ginge | martin__: I think the image from dcordes site will be done within the next 8-10 weeks :/ |
| 22:32.47 | ginge | 0.01kb/s |
| 22:32.53 | dcordes | lol |
| 22:33.11 | dcordes | it should really be the same as on dzo's site |
| 22:33.34 | ginge | if that is the case it works (for voice) |
| 22:33.53 | ginge | md5 |
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| 22:34.22 | dcordes | b5181b635a7a82095f78ed727aafb09d initrd-android |
| 22:34.42 | ginge | add4c2471afca2d4591963663b24a472 initrd-android |
| 22:34.45 | ginge | interesting |
| 22:36.03 | dcordes | ok that's why also ppl in the xda forum stated it would work with dzo but not mine |
| 22:38.20 | marajin | ginge: Virgin Media strike again? :) |
| 22:38.51 | dcordes | add4c2471afca2d4591963663b24a472 initrd-android |
| 22:40.10 | Rom1 | does the 802.11 protocole can autorize to create more than one Ad Hoc link per interface ? |
| 22:40.17 | ginge | marajin: how you know I was virgin lol |
| 22:40.35 | ginge | marajin: maybe I should rephrase that ;) |
| 22:40.43 | marajin | ginge: ...you're on IRC, it gives an manc.ntl hostname |
| 22:40.51 | ginge | oh yeah :/ |
| 22:41.13 | cr2 | dcordes: at least i'll apply for the job there. it's time to leave the ship :) |
| 22:41.14 | marajin | ginge: I used to have virgin media but they annoyed me mightily. |
| 22:41.25 | marajin | ginge: Now I just have freeview + o2 broadband |
| 22:41.38 | marajin | ginge: 20Mbps/1.6Mbps + static IP for like er 15/month I pay :) |
| 22:41.43 | ginge | marajin: me too. I am getting free bradband because they screwed my billing for a whole year. I got double billed |
| 22:42.02 | ginge | maragin 50MB/800k what kind of useless upload is that |
| 22:42.20 | dcordes | cr2: what will you do there? build satellites? |
| 22:42.21 | ginge | s/maragin/marajin |
| 22:42.25 | marajin | ginge: Look, they can promise you 50Mbps all they want, are you actually GETTING it? :P |
| 22:42.42 | ginge | marajin: not even close |
| 22:42.46 | marajin | ginge: I used to get the 20Mbps I paid for till virgin media took over, then it went poofie |
| 22:43.04 | cr2 | dcordes: you want to know too much :) |
| 22:43.29 | dcordes | nukes |
| 22:43.53 | cr2 | dcordes: it'd be certainly more money, and less time for hacking. |
| 22:43.56 | ginge | marajin: I wrote a rant about how virgin are shit on my blog and got a nasty legal letter :) |
| 22:44.03 | cr2 | dcordes: not to garching. |
| 22:44.30 | marajin | ginge: When I told them to ram it up their backside they went "we're going to offer the 50mbps service soon!" and I went "look, I don't actually get the 20mbps service you supposedly supply, why would paying for 50mbps make it any faster if you can't actually provide 20?" and the guy went "....fair enough yeah, ok" |
| 22:44.51 | ginge | new record... Firefox window 1: 127 tabs open window 2: 68 tabs Time for a culling |
| 22:45.38 | marajin | ginge: Whereas O2 emailed me after a coupla weeks to go "hey, you're paying for 20mbps but not getting it, phone us, we'll tweak your line settings a bit and if it doesn't succeed we'll reduce the billing to reflect the speed you actually get" |
| 22:45.52 | ginge | marajin: not bad service! |
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| 22:46.10 | marajin | ginge: Fucking excellent service... ya know where o2 Broadband support is based? |
| 22:46.10 | Rom1 | someone heard about Ad Hoc meshed network (Manet) or OLSR protocole ? |
| 22:46.23 | ginge | marajin: Bolton by any chance? |
| 22:46.32 | marajin | ginge: Hah, leeds actually :P |
| 22:46.41 | marajin | ginge: People from Bolton work there :P |
| 22:46.50 | dcordes | cr2: ah garching. now I got it ^^ well money can't hurt |
| 22:47.21 | ginge | marajin: heh. I know peeps who worked for Virgin. They tell me all the time how it was like a labour camp |
| 22:47.26 | marajin | ginge: But the nice shit is you can phone at 3am and get straight through to 2nd line support on freephone and spend 2 hours fucking about with your connections deepest settings and they're totally fine fr that |
| 22:47.40 | ginge | marajin: probly thankful |
| 22:48.12 | marajin | ginge: Heh, they chat to me about linux and whatnot sometimes |
| 22:48.19 | ginge | marajin: at 3am I would imagine its second line geek porn |
| 22:48.40 | marajin | ginge: I helped one guy with his X config while the router was rebooting once |
| 22:48.49 | ginge | lol |
| 22:49.21 | marajin | ginge: And I discussed the DHCP protocol with one guy for like an hour |
| 22:49.28 | cr2 | dcordes: i've written 'not garching' :) |
| 22:49.32 | ginge | before I have to boot back into android, does either the green or red work anything like they should on kaiser? |
| 22:49.33 | dcordes | yea got it. |
| 22:49.47 | dcordes | I just had to firuge what's up with garching first ;) |
| 22:53.06 | cr2 | http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garching_bei_München |
| 22:53.26 | cr2 | Universitäten, Fachhochschulen, Berufsakademien |
| 23:06.20 | dcordes | cr2: so no nukes. sorry I'm too curious |