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08:33.32martin__premy: how did you choose that address?
08:34.27martin__the modem shouldn't be updating the head pointer
08:34.36martin__for writing you set that and then the modem should catch up
08:36.53martin__but if the head and tail match after your write then yeah, sounds like it's finally noticing
08:37.01martin__i'll code something up
08:38.00martin__i'm wary of just copying stuff out of smd.c though since you can see from the dumps it's not quite the same structure
08:39.04martin__look at the gap between the tail and the data buffer
08:42.26martin__however that first int at the start of the buffer does look like it could be the state thing
08:49.45martin__it normally shows 02 00 00 00 which matches SMD_SS_OPENED (0x00000002) from smd.c in little-endian.
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08:55.55swc|666hi, does anyone know if the BA WM2003 ROMS are online somewhere?
09:04.24premymartin_: the address corresponds to the fHEAD flag in the smd.c structure.
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09:10.16martin__premy: yeah, got that, just wasn't sure it made sense in our header structure
09:10.48martin__though it seems ours is more similar to smd.c than to the vogue stuff where the heads/tails are all off at the top somewhere.
09:11.52premymartin_: Yes I think ours is pretty similar to smd.c's. It looks a s though we only have an additional int between the head/tail and the start of the buffer.
09:16.06martin__which may just be padding
09:16.39martin__wondering if i should start from scratch with the smd.c code
09:17.58premyI had the same idea, actually. But I think we should first make it work, and then see if the result is close enough to smd.c to start from there. I believe we're really close to make it work.
09:18.15martin__well, dcordes said my last version hung his kaiser
09:19.41martin__but that may be because it was sorta working and we hit some new problem
09:28.48timebombhmm
09:28.56timebombyou guys know this jumpspl thing?
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11:24.02premymartin__: Yey, it worked.......
11:24.14premymartin__: I've been able to place an outgoing call from my polaris. I'll post the code once I've cleaned it up a bit.
11:30.18gingeExcellent!
11:34.30cr2premy: does gps work for you ?
11:34.52dcordespremy: Marvellous!!
11:35.32dcordesshow the code :)
11:44.54premyOk, the code is here : http://rafb.net/p/VOlijL86.html
11:45.39premyYou can place a voice call. But it looks as though the next ones don't work :-(
11:45.50premyBut still a step in the right direction.
11:46.19premyProbably some more fine tuning on lengths and head/tail pointers needed.
11:47.56dcordeshope it works with kaiser
11:47.59dcordesbuilding
11:49.40cr2premy: 6ints in front of the fifo ?
11:59.47premycr2: yes, that's what in the original Google smd.c.
12:00.24premycr2: I don't know exactly how to test whether gps is working. Any guideline ?
12:02.23kiozenpremy: cat /dev/<gps port>
12:02.40kiozenpremy: if it is a NMEA compatible device
12:02.48dcordespremy: turn on GPS in wince, make sure it's active so it spits some data, then dump the full 1M of smem
12:03.11dcordeshexdump -C it, you shoulds see nmea code in the ascii column
12:03.20dcordes(of the gps dump)
12:03.59kiozenlol, ok that is the brutal way :) but surely fail save
12:04.25dcordesif your gps rx channel matches the one on kaiser, and you have the code from martin__ where gps chan is includedm just do "mknod /dev/smd7 c 254 7"
12:05.00dcordesalso in that case turn it on in wince before because we can't switch it on in linux yet
12:05.44dcordeskiozen: I was assuming there are differences in the smd layout on polaris vs. kaiser
12:08.43kiozendcordes: yes, the dump is a good idea :)
12:10.33dcordespremy: how exactly do you test write?
12:11.10dcordesit's rather silent when I cat /dev/smd0 & echo -e 'ATZ\r' > /dev/smd0
12:12.07premydcordes: that's what I did, though. I also used the vogue android image to actually place the call.
12:12.35dcordespremy: you didn't get audio?
12:13.09premyI did, yes. And the microphone also worked.
12:13.24dcordeswhat source tree did you base on?
12:15.20premyYours, plus polaris-specific patches which should not impact smd.
12:15.40dcordesthat's funny because I though we commented out all the audio critical stuff
12:16.11dcordespremy: can you put the polaris specific stuff in a way that it gets along with the current kaiser git head?
12:17.23premyI've not touch at anything related to audio (at least not in a conscious way...)
12:18.12dcordesdo you have the keypad and stuff working on the polaris?
12:18.21dcordesdownloading android ramdisk to kaiser
12:18.52premyI've back-ported the vogue soft keyboard.
12:19.10premyI've got to run. Will be back later.
12:19.19dcordesbye
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12:20.38dcordessuspects the android image to put some init commands and so which make the at communication work
12:23.43zooloochi there
12:23.57dcordeshola zoolooc
12:24.18dcordeshow's your geek 2.0?
12:24.24zooloocdcordes: looks like you guys are progressing?
12:25.02zooloocyou mean the little one?
12:25.12dcordesyep
12:25.51dcordesfsck where are the vogue guys when you need them
12:25.57zoolooche's well, thanks, can't wait to leave for home in an hour ;-)
12:26.31dcordes^^
12:26.41zooloocunfortunately, next month I'm back in full-time work again, the 2 months I had reduced my working time are over
12:27.15dcordeszoolooc: can you boot linux in your rom?
12:27.40zooloococcasionaly, yes, I've also booted android several times
12:28.00zooloochaven't upgraded haret and your kernel build for some time
12:28.14zooloocwould you like me to try some things?
12:28.17dcordesshould get it soon looks like phone works
12:28.28zooloochey!
12:28.42zooloocI suppose, with android
12:29.03dcordespremy, who made it work on polaris
12:29.05dcordestested in android
12:29.18dcordesI tried his code on kaiser in angstrom before
12:29.27zooloocsuch a pity I don't have a data plan i nmy mobile contract
12:29.55zooloocwhat angstrom initrd do you have, those from your linux2go directory?
12:30.05dcordesyep
12:30.17dcordesbut it seemed to not work there
12:30.22dcordesI think android puts some magic commands
12:30.26dcordeswhich make the modem obey
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12:31.11zooloochmm, so how could one find them out? maybe by looking at the android image and trying to understand what it does?
12:31.51zooloocdcordes: do yiu suspect it's still the linux "foundation" which does that magic, or android itself?
12:34.45dcordesit's nothing which couldn't be achieved from any userland which can access a terminal with #
12:35.04dcordesyou got the device node and talk with it
12:35.14dcordesI just don't know what the android rootfs talks
12:36.27zooloocafaik the android initrd can be extracted
12:36.38zooloocthis makes me think one can look in some init scripts
12:37.02timebombdcordes are you familiar with the bootloaders in htc devices?
12:37.56dcordeszoolooc: yea should be no problem. dzo even achieved to make it send/receive CDMA network sms messages
12:40.52zooloocdcordes: ist there some wiki page yet, where progress in this challenge can be seen without reading a whole forum thread?
12:42.09zooloocdcordes: in some of the first posts I thing I'm reading the keyboard is now fully supported. how about different kb layouts?
12:44.15dcordesin ly ltg ~ is a readme
12:44.27dcordesmy
12:51.28cr232bit programmers should burn in hell ;-)
12:51.44zoolooc:D
12:52.05dcordescr2: why?
12:52.06zooloocdcordes: alright, so that readme is kept up2date, that's fine
12:52.28dcordesyes I will put the AT updates as soon as I'm able to confirm them on kaiser
12:52.47dcordessame applies to zImage
12:53.31zooloocdcordes: anything about keyboard layout?
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12:55.00dcordeszoolooc: what's wrong with the keyboad?
12:55.31zooloocI mean I have a german, qwertz
12:55.33zoolooclayout
12:55.53dcordeso don't know how to map that. but I think you can set it in your rootfs
12:56.06dcordesat least in the angstrom iirc
12:56.14zooloocwill try it in an angstrom console
12:56.33zooloocif we'd just have the SD driver
12:56.56dcordesnow that haret was improved for arm6 we will hopefully get there soon
12:59.15zooloocdoes the haret improvement help investigating?
12:59.24dcordesthink so
12:59.34zoolooccool
13:04.18kiozenBabelO: around?
13:06.20dcordeskiozen: how's your OE?
13:06.43kiozenhm, wiered :/
13:07.15kiozenI always wonder where to find the real rootfs in that mess
13:09.00dcordeskiozen: in OE? $TEMPDIR/deploy/glibc/images/dev/$MACHINE ?
13:10.00kiozenno such path
13:10.23dcordescan't find tmp?
13:10.37dcordesit's the same directory which also has the sources in work
13:11.08kiozenno tmp/deploy/glibc/images just tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk
13:12.26kiozendid: bitbake nano
13:12.40kiozenmaybe to less to get an image
13:15.47timebombhm
13:16.14dcordeskiozen: right ^^
13:16.27dcordestry bitbake console-image
13:16.33dcordesor minimal-image
13:16.52dcordesminimal-image is actually the fastest way to a rootfs
13:17.17kiozenthat fails because of some wiered uclibc path ?????
13:17.40kiozenoe sucks even more than gentoo
13:21.46kiozenok, wrong target os
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13:28.26gingeI am using Windows XP (for the first time) to connect to this Kaiser. Any idea how I get the Kaisers IP address without digging through DHCP logs?
13:29.58dcordeskiozen: for the handhelds.org kernel, you need to build that initial boot image first and that is done with different libc
13:30.23dcordesginge: yes go to connections/wireless
13:30.29dcordesthere is a status window
13:30.34dcordesshould show the ip
13:30.39gingedcordes: Its through USB activestink
13:30.43dcordesok
13:30.55dcordesgo to xp command line
13:31.14dcordesrun CMD there's a command that lists acvie network interfaces like ifconfig
13:31.27gingeipconfig shows nothing but my local machine. I think there is some NAT going n here.
13:31.39gingenever mind. Vmware just lost the USB port again, and I am not rebooting.
13:32.16dcordespita
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13:33.45BabelO_kiozen: http://www.mail-archive.com/angstrom-distro-devel@linuxtogo.org/msg01775.html
13:34.09BabelO_kiozen: ANGSTROM_MODE=uclibc bitbake virtual/kernel
13:35.02zooloocbye folks
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13:37.09kiozenBabelO_: is the pxa mmu less?
13:37.42BabelO_kiozen: no
13:37.57kiozenso why do we need uclibc?
13:38.18BabelO_kiozen: it is done this way because newer angstrom image use kexec install
13:38.52BabelO_kiozen: you boot a zimage with initrd generic which display a bootmenu like grub so you can choose which linux on sd card or flash you want to boot
13:39.09BabelO_kiozen: that why uclibc, because it is small
13:39.26kiozenBabelO_: ok, but target os is still linux, not linux-uslibc?
13:39.43BabelO_kiozen: yes still linux
13:39.49dcordesjust like good old altboot on the zaurus, but bootloader image kernel version doesn't need to match target kernel verseion
13:41.10marajinhey peeps
13:41.52kiozenBabelO_: can you give me an example conf?
13:42.38BabelO_kiozen: uh, your conf is ok, once it fail with uclibc just do ANGSTROM_MODE=uclibc bitbake virtual/kernel
13:42.53BabelO_and then continu your previous bitbake
13:43.23kiozenBabelO_:  well I just use the plaine oe example, with some modifications I figured out, yet
13:44.36dcordeshey marajin. wanna receive a call with kaiser?
13:45.18kiozenwhat is the use of INHERIT += "debian"
13:46.15dcordesdunno only I know "inherit auototools" in recipes
13:47.30cr2kiozen: gdal-1.5.2 segfaults here.
13:47.47kiozenwhere is here ? :)
13:48.22dcordescr2: audio and phone call works on kaiser :)
13:48.25cr2kiozen: it was also necessary to edit GDALmake.opt so sqlite picked /usr/lib64 instead of /usr/lib
13:48.41BabelO_kiozen: angstrom is debian base
13:48.45cr2kiozen: on my machine where i use GT
13:48.46marajindcordes: Woooot?
13:48.48dcordessnap
13:48.52cr2dcordes: :D
13:48.53dcordesit works perfectly
13:48.56cr2dcordes: gps too ?
13:48.58marajindcordes: Under linux or android?!
13:49.02dcordescr2: yes gps is nothing new
13:49.21cr2dcordes: ok.
13:49.23dcordesmarajin: dude android gui is living on top of linux
13:49.28marajinI know
13:49.33cr2dcordes: hehe. what about SD ? :)
13:49.38dcordesin the android rootfs if that is your question marajin
13:49.49kiozencr2: think I used 1.5.3 due to compilation problems
13:49.55marajinbut I mean, is the UI/initrd modified as necessary or just works out of the box
13:50.01dcordesha it's like christmas
13:50.05cr2kiozen: 1.5.3 does not exist ?
13:50.10cr2LOL
13:50.14dcordes^^
13:50.23marajinnice :)
13:50.30marajinwhere's the new zImage
13:50.31dcordesmarajin: ootb
13:50.32marajingimmie gimmie!
13:50.36dcordesrelax
13:50.38dcordesin my ~
13:50.41marajin<PROTECTED>
13:50.55marajinHonestly man I'm too tired to be hectic but working phone is nice
13:50.57dcordeslinuxtogo.org/~lgorris/kaiser-bootkit/zImage
13:51.00marajinhow about data ?
13:51.07marajinlike GPRS/EDGE/3G I mean?
13:51.13dcordesdunno
13:51.21dcordes:)
13:51.43cr2diamond is too expensive, shift is completely overpriced and needs too much current. i'll stick with the old devices.
13:51.47kiozencr2 then it was 1.5.2, at least not the official stable version
13:51.48marajinStill, really excellent news! Who do I need to fellate? :p
13:52.02cr2kiozen: you use gdal-svn ?
13:52.23kiozencr2: no
13:52.40cr2BabelO_: time for himalaya :)
13:53.05cr2where do i find wallaby...
13:53.15cr2kiozen: i'm compiling 1.4.2 now
13:53.27cr2it used to work properly.
13:54.57cr2ar: /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6: File format not recognized
13:54.59cr2wtf ?
13:57.14BabelO_cr2: himalaya ? why ? :)
13:57.23Marexamfg :p
13:57.27cr2configure: error: libtiff >= 4.0 is not supported in this version of GDAL ! This will be supported in GDAL >= 1.5.0
13:58.06kiozencr2: hm, had no problems with 1.5.2
13:58.07cr2Marex: yes, i'll fix wm9750 first :)
13:58.22Marexcr2: thats just so cool
13:58.29marajindcordes: Well, Booting now anyway :)
13:58.45Marexthe day after tomorow, I will be able to hack on PDAs as much as I want again
13:58.46cr2kiozen: compiling 1.5.0 now
13:58.50Marexat least I hope so
13:59.30cr2ok
13:59.47Marexcr2: isnt there already 1.6.x ?
14:00.23kiozenwhat is this: ERROR: Unable to parse conf/bitbake.conf (Could not include required file conf/distro/include/angstrom-uclibc bitbake virtual/kernel.inc)
14:00.28kiozenBabelO_: ?
14:01.26BabelO_kiozen: i send you mine :)
14:01.32marajindcordes: hmm, it doesn't seem to do aynthing on mine?
14:01.48kiozenok, hurry up only 10 min left
14:01.57cr2BabelO_: qtopia for kaiser ? :)
14:02.12cr2BabelO_: time for a unified distro
14:03.18gingedcordes: same here, nothing changed in android. Not even the sig strength
14:03.28BabelO_kiozen: sent
14:03.43kiozenthanks
14:04.29BabelO_cr2: qtopia is generic, i use the artemis version on BA too, it works well now
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14:06.09dcordesginge: call yourself :)
14:06.14kiozenok, got to collect my son, bbl
14:07.14marajindcordes: calling myself also does nothing though
14:07.30cr2BabelO_: but the paths. and filenames
14:07.58cr2BabelO_: /dev/smdX. afair it's all hardcoded
14:07.59dcordesmarajin: it doesn't ring immedately after you hear the freizeichen
14:08.14cr2dcordes: sound works too ?
14:08.19dcordesyes perfectly
14:08.19marajindcordes: It very literally does nothing
14:08.28BabelO_cr2: maybe we can solve that with autofs ?
14:08.47gingedcordes: same. nothing at all
14:08.50dcordesmarajin: remove your haret folder and retry with complete lgorris bootkit
14:08.50marajinI call my kaiser from my hermes and my kaiser does NOTHING. Just displays the normal android desktop, no notificatio or sound
14:09.03marajinok..
14:09.03dcordesOk
14:09.22dcordesI guess you guys are in a different initrd
14:09.30marajinbut the notifier NEVER worked on my device, maybe not all kaisers are equal?
14:09.33cr2BabelO_: hmm. interesting idea.
14:09.38cr2gdalinfo
14:09.38cr2*** glibc detected *** gdalinfo: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x000000000060a2f0 ***
14:09.38cr2======= Backtrace: =========
14:09.47gingedcordes: the initrd is the one from the cab installer on the thread. Which do you use?
14:09.49dcordesmarajin: before, it didn't work here either.
14:10.08dcordesginge: dzo
14:10.20dcordesjust take all the stuff from the bootkit and you have what I boot
14:10.47marajinhmm
14:11.05marajinok, have you changed the initrd or anything in the last week?
14:12.12dcordesno just grab all the stuff
14:13.12marajinwell I did grab all the stuff a few days ago.. but I'll delete and regrab,copying to my kaiser now
14:13.46marajinand booting android..
14:14.03dcordesok
14:14.12marajin... weird
14:14.15dcordeslol I can't get enough of calling kaiser
14:14.18marajinthe bootup sequence has changed
14:14.40marajinI get the wossname.. cylon eye now
14:14.40dcordesyes it's rotated 90° to the left eh?
14:14.47dcordeswossname?
14:15.01marajinyeah it rotated and I get the cylon eye
14:15.04marajindialing myself..
14:15.08dcordesdo it!
14:15.22marajinkaiser non reactive...
14:15.34marajinhermes just went to voicemail
14:15.39dcordesha!
14:15.44dcordesyou have your modem off in wince?
14:15.50marajinNope
14:15.54marajinmodem and wifi enabled
14:15.59dcordesI never had that voicemail
14:16.12dcordesI always got freizeichen, even w/o the new code
14:16.35dcordesmaybe it is really a matter of the radio version
14:16.35marajinit rings
14:16.50marajinBut it does the automatic voicemail after 30 seconds
14:16.54marajinthe kaiser doesnothing
14:16.57dcordesI see
14:17.09marajinwhat radio do you have?
14:17.16dcordeshmwell I wish I could copy my linux folder from kaiser but I have no SD :(
14:17.27dcordesfirst I will announce in the forum so we have more testers
14:17.54marajinwifi to FTP/smb share?
14:18.08marajinI use wifi to grab from SMB to copy things to my kaiser
14:19.28dcordeshow do you get smb?
14:19.32marajinHmm, and if I try to dial from the kaiser, it thinks it's calling my hermes but nothing happens
14:19.39marajiner, install the network plugin
14:19.40dcordeshow did you dial??
14:19.51marajincreated a contact and then tapped the number in the contact
14:19.53marajinand it dials
14:19.54dcordesI have the HTC network plugin
14:20.08dcordesahh that's brilliant. how do you get to the new contact screen?
14:20.10marajinwell in settings ->connections ->network plugin and maphare
14:20.23marajinOpen contacts, press windows button
14:20.33dcordesok cool trying
14:21.05dcordesI'm actually more interested putting a call with at commands
14:21.16marajinhey, are you in 3G mode or GSM mode?
14:21.32dcordescr2: we need to extract the android userland magic that enables the audio channel and so
14:21.50dcordesmarajin: dunno I will look after I tried making call
14:22.16marajindcordes: I'm gonna try booting with wifi off and my modem is GSM only mode and see if then calling works
14:23.03marajinstill nothing..
14:24.30dcordesok  outgoing works perfectly
14:25.26marajinwhat radio do you have? maybe it's because I have polaris radio I think
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14:25.50marajinYeah I have 1.58
14:25.55dcordessome vodafone germany stock radio
14:26.53gingeOrange UK stock firmware
14:27.12marajinit will say the exact version in settings -> system -> device information
14:27.19marajinor also when you reset your cause
14:27.31marajinMine shows as 1.58.25.17
14:28.04gingeum 1.27.14.32 ooold
14:28.13marajinscary old
14:28.18marajindcordes: howabout you?
14:28.57marajinMaybe you have a 1.6x or something?
14:29.27dcordesI'm clueless
14:29.41marajincan you please check?
14:29.48marajinIt's very easy to find out
14:30.59marajinWhen you reset your Kaiser and the numbers appear in the bottom right, the top line says R 1.xx.xx.xx  and this is your radio version
14:32.08dcordesoky
14:33.49dcordesdamn! I can even call me again and again w/o soft resetting
14:34.36marajinI think maybe your Kaiser is special :P
14:35.20marajinmaybe it's even a network thing?
14:35.25dcordesdon't think so
14:35.46dcordesand I can't think of anything that changes in the rom version which breaks it/makes it work
14:35.49marajinginge: You and me both are UK network I think yep?
14:35.49dcordesat least not AT commands
14:36.28dcordeswhat the!
14:36.33dcordes1.65*
14:36.37marajinyeah
14:36.40marajinnewest ones
14:36.42dcordes1.65.16
14:36.46dcordesI'm 1337
14:36.50dcordesvodafone service know what they do
14:36.59marajinnewest != best :P
14:37.01dcordesbut they have to return it again
14:37.01marajinjust newest :P
14:37.22dcordesI think they smoke crack in the quality control checkout at the fab where they assemble the kaisers
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14:37.31marajinwhy?
14:37.35dcordesmy keyboard is way off and the front keypad is odd
14:37.37marajinMy kaiser seems well built
14:37.40marajinhmm
14:37.45marajinunluckyI suppose
14:37.50marajinMine is very solid
14:38.11gingemine is also awful
14:38.15marajinI have 0 problems with the physical quality of the phone
14:38.18gingethe tilt is loose and the keys get jammed
14:38.28dcordesmaybe they wanna give away the ugly ducklings in the service return chain
14:38.29gingeI am on the 3rd one now
14:38.39marajinDunno
14:38.49marajinMine is an O2 XDA Stellar (KAIS130) model
14:38.52dcordesso you guys gonna flash a new radio rom?
14:38.57marajinthe tilt and slide are very smooth
14:39.08marajindcordes: I'l try to get your same radio from xda-dev forum
14:39.18gingeyeah, I will update later.
14:40.28dcordesginge: can you md5 your zImage?
14:40.41gingeyeah
14:40.44dcordesthx
14:40.57dcordes8fe2487fb325e8c2ce70c249100236e6  zImage
14:41.23ginge8fe2487fb325e8c2ce70c249100236e6  zImage
14:41.29gingesnap
14:41.34marajin8fe2487fb325e8c2ce70c249100236e6  zImage
14:42.17marajindcordes: I am now downloading the exact same radio rom as you have
14:42.26marajindcordes: 1.65.16.25 yes?
14:43.03dcordesnot sure the last few are unreadable
14:43.12dcordesbut I'm usre about 1.65.16*
14:43.30marajindcordes: Ok, In WM go to settings, system tab, device information
14:43.32dcordesI'm urse about it bro
14:43.37dcordessrsly
14:43.39marajindcordes: It will list your radio
14:44.15marajindcordes: Ok well it downloaded so I will charge my kaiser some and then flash
14:44.25dcordesok good luck
14:45.10marajin...my kaiser's screen is blank now and it won't soft reset O.o
14:45.19marajinyanking the battery seems to have worked
14:45.19marajinhow odd
14:45.33marajinI didn't even do anything yet, I was just plugging the usb cable in
14:46.32dcordesmarajin: maybe the modem is on a psychicadelic trip after android tells him odd things
14:46.34marajinHmm I think this is second newest radio rom, there's a 1.65.20
14:46.39marajindcordes: Haha, maybe
14:46.43dcordesso wince segfault
14:46.45dcordess
14:46.53marajindcordes: I'm back in WM now and I'm activesyncing before I flash
14:46.58dcordesjust grab the newest newest?
14:47.10marajindcordes: No, I will get same version as you
14:47.17dcordesok
14:47.19marajindcordes: We can test "other" versions another time
14:47.27dcordesyo
14:47.45dcordesI aked the xda kaiser owners to also try and report their rom version
14:48.24marajindcordes: Cool :)
14:48.35marajindcordes: I must now wait for my kaiser to charge, battery 37% :(
14:49.12dcordesRunning L26 Diamond V8 with radio 1.58.25.17 - IT WORKS!!!!!
14:49.14gingeokay, so I have working incoming phone calls with dzo image :)
14:49.31marajindcordes: Then you have a very odd kaiser!
14:49.41marajindcordes: Well I had L26 Diamond V7 with that radio and nothing
14:50.21marajinginge: Guess it's not UK networks then! What radio is that?
14:50.36gingeoutgoing too
14:50.46marajinNow I'm sad :(
14:50.50gingeawesome
14:50.52marajinkicks his kaiser.
14:50.57marajinCharge damnye
14:51.11dcordesginge: can you try make outgoing/incoming repeatedly?
14:51.19gingeokay one sec
14:51.39gingeyep repeated calls works
14:51.46dcordesalso here
14:51.48dcordesbut how about incoming?
14:52.10gingeyes, but the phone ringer didnt happen
14:52.23gingeokay, I am more than impresse now :)
14:52.29marajinheh :P
14:53.10dcordesginge: on which end?
14:53.17marajin40% and charging...
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14:53.23marajinfalls asleep waiting..
14:53.29XmooPHONE WORKS :O
14:53.31gingecalling into kaiser the first time makes the ring noise. After that nothing
14:53.32marajinsssh! it's Xmoo! Quiet!
14:53.39marajinXmoo: It's an april fools joke!
14:53.43gingeum, so yeah, shame the phone doesnt work ;)
14:53.45marajinXmoo: In er.. june
14:53.46Xmoonope it ain't
14:53.56Xmoomine does not work
14:54.00Xmooproses RILD starts
14:54.01marajinXmoo: It is, it does not work on my kaiser
14:54.03Xmoobut no notification
14:54.16XmooRunning L26 Diamond V8 with radio 1.58.25.17 works
14:54.19gingeheh. Just got am SMS :)
14:54.22marajinXmoo: Well Ginge it also didn't work but he flashed some different rom and now it works
14:54.30XmooRunning Dutty's Diamond V1 Build 19588 with radio 1.58.25.17 does not work
14:54.51dcordesginge: ah right. same here with the ring on 1st call, then nothing
14:54.52gingeI updated my android image to dzos
14:55.01marajinL26 Diamond V7 with Radio 1.58.25.17 didn't work
14:55.04dcordeshaha
14:55.10gingeno radio upgrades. Still on 1.26
14:55.19Xmoodcordes
14:55.20marajinginge: o rly?
14:55.24marajinginge: INteresting
14:55.25Xmooyou want me to change the threead name
14:55.28Xmooto call is working
14:55.30marajinginge: I'll try that
14:55.31Xmooso many ppl test?
14:55.33gingek
14:55.35Marexmarajin: hi, long time no see ;)
14:55.48marajinMarex: Yeah, I no longer have my Palm-LD
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14:55.58Marexyou traitor !
14:56.00marajinMarex: I gave it to a friend as a present some timeago
14:56.05dcordeslol
14:56.06marajinMarex: But it finally died
14:56.12Marexeven worse
14:56.16dcordeslights a candle
14:56.22marajinMarex: Now I have a HTC Hermes and a HTC Kaiser
14:56.30Marexprepares a silver bullet
14:56.32gingelights a cigar
14:56.45gingeloves it when a plan comes together
14:56.57Marexmarajin: ewwww ... and wind blows ...
14:57.06marajinMarex: Not for long!
14:57.25marajinMarex: These lovely lovely people are making linux and android work better and better :P
14:58.12marajinMarex: I'll be honest though, WM > PalmOS :P
14:58.23gingenow to test data
14:58.31Marexmarajin: you serious ?
14:58.37marajinMarex: Yes
14:58.47marajinMarex: Flexibility and power of the OS is no comparison
14:58.55marajinMarex: PalmOS is sooo limiting
15:00.21Marexwm is sooo screwed
15:00.28dcordesyese wm is fucked
15:00.28marajinMarex: So maybe every 2 days I push the little reset button to stop WM bogging down too much, but I have voice command and decent multitasking and more sensibile memory useage
15:00.46marajinMarex: WM is no perfection but it's more useful than PalmOS
15:00.55Xmoodcordes
15:01.00Xmoocould you map the phone keys?
15:01.20marajinXmoo: You can dial by creating a new contact :)
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15:01.25marajinXmoo: It'sawkward but you can do it
15:02.02gingemarajin: creating a contact? I just put the number in and pressed Ok. Is that what happened?
15:02.06Marexmarajin: I have linux on palmld and you can go to DIE :p
15:02.12MarexI finally recalled
15:02.22Xmoomarajin
15:02.24XmooI know
15:02.29Xmoofirst time restarted android
15:02.35Xmoonow it's calling my home number
15:02.36marajinMarex: the LD has only 32MB of memory though was it?
15:02.43Xmoobut the antanna has a big red X on it!
15:02.49Marexmarajin: yea
15:03.00marajinMarex: My kaiser has 128MB
15:03.22Xmooand haging p does not work :S
15:03.40marajinYes, I could not get it tohang up
15:03.53marajinNo button seems to mean "press the highlighted action"
15:04.05marajinand no button seems to mean "end call"
15:05.04Xmoolol when I called my phone android hanged up
15:05.08Xmooan d now shows antenna
15:05.23Marexmarajin: so what ? my palmz71 with 16 megs of ram can run 0verkill
15:05.27Marexeven with server and bots
15:05.38Marexso I can play pretty bloody deathmatch on it
15:05.43Marexsomething wm can never do
15:08.05marajinMarex: Yes but I don'tcare because my Kaiser runs linux now!
15:10.48Marex:p
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15:11.07marajinMarex: Did you ever get Wifi onto the LD?
15:15.29Xmoodcordes
15:15.33Xmoois it the zimage
15:15.36Xmooor the build
15:15.41Xmoothat android is hang-ing a lot
15:15.45Xmoofreezing*
15:16.10marajinginge: dzo image stilldoesn't do anything with calls for me :(
15:16.20marajinginge: I'm gonna flash the radio
15:16.26gingeunlucky :(
15:16.28dcordesXmoo: dunno
15:17.07Xmoowhen I try to make a caal trough andoird
15:17.10Xmoothe antenna stops
15:17.15Xmoowhen someone calls me nothing happens
15:17.16Xmoo:P
15:17.26Xmooand I cannot hang up in android. But when I call my phone
15:17.30Xmooandroid automaticly hangs up
15:18.07gingeXmoo: use the d pad to scroll to the hangup button?
15:18.19Xmooi know
15:18.23marajinginge: sure but if you do that nothing happens :P
15:18.24ginge:)
15:18.25Xmoobut when i press hang -up
15:18.28Xmooit doesn not hang up
15:18.35gingeno problems here
15:18.51marajinginge: I guess there's some really weird thing that only effects some specfic roms
15:19.15gingelooks that way. I thought if anything my "scary old" rom would be a problem
15:19.29marajinapparently not
15:19.44marajinI'm flashing the new radio even though it probably doesn't matter what the radio is and maybe more the main rom
15:19.53AstainHellbringwhat radio you on?
15:20.17marajinmaybe the way they configure the the modem I guess?
15:20.24gingeAstainHellbring: me? 1.27.14.32
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15:20.33marajindcordes_: Wb
15:20.53AstainHellbringwow old radio
15:21.46gingeOrange stock. I never owned a HTC device that worked without hourly reboots. This stays up for weeks at a time, so I didn't touch it :)
15:21.47AstainHellbringhehe sweet calls
15:22.11AstainHellbringhmm hang up using dpad not seeming to work for me
15:22.13timebombthe part of the device flash that checks whether an inserted sd card is a valid diagnostic card is that on a new flash rom or is it loaded before the rom?
15:22.40gingeAstainHellbring: hmm. let me try mine again.
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15:23.55marajinwtf..
15:24.16dcordes_marajin: ?
15:24.20marajinI got an SMS saying "00000" and then when I tried tohang up a call (dialing FROM the kaiser), android rebooted itself
15:24.31marajinwent to the cylon eye for a few secnds then back to the home screen
15:24.44AstainHellbringandroid crashed
15:25.27marajin...
15:25.30marajinIT LIIIIIIIVES!
15:25.35marajinI dialed into my kaiser
15:25.44dcordes_got audio up?
15:25.48marajinyes
15:25.55marajinthough I got a weird echo/scream
15:25.56dcordes_nice how'd you do it?
15:26.19marajinRadio 1.65.whatever
15:26.26marajinL26's diamon V7
15:26.29dcordes_I ok
15:26.29marajindzo's initrd
15:26.51marajin... but even though I hung up on my hermes, still the kaiser things it'sin a call
15:26.53dcordes_dzo's latest= the one I have in ltg ~
15:27.17AstainHellbringmine did that same thing marajin and wouldn't let me hang up with the button either
15:27.30dcordes_I wish we could debug the android's AT conversations so we can copy it easily
15:27.41dcordes_maybe dzo has some debug stuff
15:27.50marajindcordes_: Maybe, we're getting there though!
15:28.05marajindcordes_: I think maybe the modem gets wors signal in android than in WM though?
15:28.20dcordes_because it shows one bar?
15:28.22marajindcordes_: Maybe why I couldn't dial in? Cause also I had moved
15:28.22dcordes_I don't think so
15:28.30AstainHellbringeither that or the android piece knows how to measure bars properly
15:28.38marajinheh :P
15:28.43marajinanyway
15:28.50marajinthis calls for a celebratory beer
15:28.57marajinpours dcordes_ a cold one.
15:29.45dcordes_sorry I'm tea-totaler atm
15:30.28gingeooo I think it crashed.
15:32.21gingein the dialer application I am getting a little black flashning dot in the top left hand corner. Anyone else see that?
15:33.08dcordes_we need martin__ and premy's combined force to make DATA work
15:36.41dcordes_nice how many msm devices already work
15:44.13AstainHellbringsweet speaker phone works too
15:44.48dcordes_I read in the forum you can do sms?
15:44.51dcordes_somebody wrote one?
15:45.26gingesms app freezes on me
15:45.32dcordes_k
15:46.08dcordes_dzo said in his updates, he had to change sms api to match CDMA's needs on the vogue
15:46.43dcordes_so when you try and make an sms, the modem receives odd cdma commands it doesn't know and then dies probably
15:46.44AstainHellbringyah it will receive sms but show it as all 0's
15:47.26dcordes_we have to poke dzo and ask him how he does change the AT talk
15:48.58elliswayafternoon all
15:49.25elliswaywell done on the kaiser modem all
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15:53.18dcordes_gotta run bbl
15:56.50marajinheh
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16:16.42marajinginge_: Wb?
16:17.09ginge_marajin: cheers. Yes, went home so I can hack on the bluetooth some more
16:18.49marajinfun!
16:18.53marajinI think I need sleep though
16:19.01marajinrealy I haven't slept since yersterda
16:19.05marajinand I'm feeling it
16:19.21ginge_"smd_private.h" where can I grab hold of that?
16:21.37ginge_nevermind. me being a moron again
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16:31.52dcordes_marajin: for fucks sake, since yesterday?
16:32.47marajindcordes_: Normally n this ould be ok but I have the exhaustion disorder
16:34.24dcordes_marajin: what's that?
16:34.52marajinWell I dunno what germany would call it, It's like a very severe pfeiffers
16:35.43marajinIt can last for years, or maybe the rest of life
16:36.33marajin'n basically, when I wake up afer a full night of sleep, I feel like I've already been awake for 48 hours
16:36.44marajinso when I stay awake for 24+ hours, I get really really tired
16:37.55Zooloocdcordes_: when we last talked today I downloaded your zImage from work and could boot the angstrom-console at first attempt when I came home, now I downloaded it again since you seem to have updated it, and wanted to boot android, but it doesn't boot, any clue?
16:37.55dcordes_no works for everybody
16:37.55dcordes_no clue
16:37.55marajinZoolooc: Can you be more specific on "doesn't boot" ? Where's it hang?
16:37.55Zooloocmarajin: hear, hear, you're gettin' tired
16:38.18Zooloocthe haret progress bar "booting linux" is at the end
16:38.23Zooloocthat's where it stays
16:38.24marajinhmm
16:38.33marajinand are yo sure the zImage is not corrupt?
16:38.50ginge_do you boot using the "run" button?
16:39.02Zooloocwell, I put ht µSD in the adapter and mounted it under linux and downloaded it whith wget
16:39.17Zooloocat work I downloaded it with a Getright download manager
16:39.33ginge_I get 0% boot using the Haret launcher
16:39.33ginge_I have to boot using Haretconsole for 100% boots
16:39.53Zooloocginge_: yes, and hitting the "wait for connection" button before makes no difference
16:40.07ginge_yeah sounds familiar
16:40.25ginge_can you try tellnetting in and running "runscript default.txt"
16:41.21Zooloochmm, right now my synce/odccm stuff in linux seems to be broken, maybe I can telnet via WLAN
16:41.31ginge_yeah, thats what I do
16:41.48ginge_synce broke for the last time on me, so I gave up using that.
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17:00.19dcordes_ginge_: ack. synce is complicated
17:00.38ginge_dcordes_:pointlessly so
17:01.26dcordes_a windows mobile app would be useful that provides simple access over network
17:01.46dcordes_so you don't need the module setup hassle on your host
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17:18.27ginge_okay, so I rigged one of the leds to give me some output through an ldr. I seem to be getting some useful output from linux into my main machine now. I just wish I could go faster then ~200bps
17:18.27ginge_what is the problem with usb on the Kaiser?
17:18.27dcordes_ginge_: crazy. how do you trigger the leds?
17:18.27ginge_dcordes_: kernel gpio calls
17:18.28ginge_it just bit bangs 8 bit output
17:18.28ginge_I thank martin__ for the inspiration :)
17:18.28ginge_just need to go the other way now. Two way comms would be super.
17:18.29dcordes_ginge_: hm they aren't documented in the wiki
17:18.29dcordes_where did you get the info which gpios to trigger?
17:18.29dcordes_can only see caps led in wiki
17:18.29ginge_I triggered the keyboard fn led
17:18.29dcordes_ok :)
17:18.29dcordes_how do you read it out?
17:18.29dcordes_ldr? what's that?
17:18.57ginge_gpio_set_value(EGPIO_3_2_FN_LED,1);
17:18.57ginge_stole the code from board-kaiser-keyboard.c
17:18.57ginge_hacked out the msm-serial.c so I can cat to it and it comes out of the led... slowly.
17:18.57ginge_Light Dependant Resistor I had one lying around connected to an opamp and trigger circuit. I then read it out through the parallel port into a program that recombines it all. whew.
17:19.45ginge_so how does that light sensor work ;)
17:19.51dcordes_ha you're awesome
17:20.38ginge_so any idea why usb is commented out?
17:20.39dcordes_so you made a piece of code that makes a serial node which outputs data to the led?
17:20.47ginge_in a nutshell
17:20.52dcordes_ginge_: because it hangs when you uncomment
17:21.00ginge_lol useful
17:21.17dcordes_you mean in the board init structure? the msm_hsusb thing?
17:21.41ginge_yeah
17:22.24dcordes_ginge_: yup that makes the boot process hang. can't recall if you get further than haret with it uncommented
17:22.39dcordes_maybe your led can tell us why :D
17:22.44ginge_okay, might check it out with my new toy :)
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17:23.06dcordes_that's so awesome....
17:23.17dcordes_can you make a pic of it with the reader device :D ?
17:23.27ginge_so how do I pipe the kernel output down my new serial line?
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17:24.15ginge_dcordes_: sure :)
17:24.25dcordes_aren't there options in the kernel that automagically enable debugging to serial consoles?
17:25.03dcordes_# CONFIG_MSM_SERIAL_DEBUGGER is not set
17:25.23dcordes_brb
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17:28.11martin__ginge_: you rule
17:28.30ginge_neeeed input now
17:28.57martin__the keyboard light sensor maybe
17:29.04ginge_yeah
17:29.09martin__what are you using this to debug?
17:29.32martin__early startup before framebuffer & keyboard?
17:29.59ginge_debug anything
17:30.18ginge_I can route kernel output to the console now so I can see all the output before crashes, for example.
17:30.38ginge_instead of playing the add more printks and recompile game
17:31.15martin__ah, so you get stuff that would have gone to the framebuffer but didn't?
17:31.22ginge_yeah
17:31.27martin__hmm
17:31.30ginge_plus a nice easy to read screen
17:31.39martin__might be easier to just make framebuffer writes blocking
17:31.46ginge_lolo
17:32.15ginge_it was a fun little 1 hour project
17:32.28martin__yeah, i'm really impressed you actually did it
17:32.59martin__i gotta run but will be back later and hopefully have some time to follow up on the new smem developments
17:33.12ginge_see ya
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18:07.04Zooloocdcordes_, ginge_: http://rafb.net/p/7RNCMs93.html
18:08.17ginge_got enough space on the device?
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18:11.07Zooloocit's on the card, after successfully booting the smaller image that way, I thought android should also boot. but right now, the console-only image doesn't boot either
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18:15.11ginge_dcordes_: http://www.headfuzz.co.uk/?q=kaiserledhack
18:20.04ginge_Zoolooc: very odd
18:20.11ginge_Zoolooc: stock everything?
18:25.13Zooloocginge_: I have a Dutty's DualTouch WM6.1 ROM (03/04/08), Radio 1.58.26.20
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18:27.07ginge_Zooloc: no idea I'm afraid
18:27.26ginge_s/Zooloc:/Zoolooc:/
18:37.03premydcordes__: you seem to be getting good reports on the forum. Did you make any change to the code ?
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20:15.09premycr2: on my polaris with latest kaiser-smd.c, mknod /dev/smd7 c 254 7 , then cat /dev/smd7 works, but doesn't give any output.
20:21.27martin__premy: is that after turning the GPS on and using it in wince before booting the kernel?
20:23.43martin__where's the current kaiser-smd.c everyone's playing with?
20:24.00martin__and what problems still exist with it?
20:26.51martin__dcordes_: ping
20:32.57premymartin__: my code is still there : http://rafb.net/p/VOlijL86.html.  I'm not sure whether dcordes made any changes to it, though.
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20:48.52dzoHi all, I see you got the kaiser radio working.
20:49.59AstainHellbringhiya dzo
20:50.19AstainHellbringyep making calls and receiving them but sometimes it seems to get stuck if other end hangs up before you do
20:50.38dzoWhich initrd are you using?
20:51.18dzobecause mine, is really designed for CDMA which does things a bit differently.
20:51.31AstainHellbringyours
20:51.53AstainHellbringthey: the ones that did the kernel stuff wanted to ask what you changed for sms to see what they could adjust back
20:52.35AstainHellbringcause we get the sms notice but it doesn't understand it properly of course because your piece is interperating it for cdma
20:53.08dzoI rewrote libreference-ril.so to convert between CDMA and GMS PDU formats, the original may work.
20:53.49AstainHellbringahh ok
20:54.22dzoIn the initrd, replace libreference-ril with libreference-ril-original (I think thats what I called it)
20:54.37AstainHellbringoh nice so it has backup in there too sweet
20:56.16dzoIt may not work though because there are some HTC specific things in mine. The rild looks for libhtc-ril so the reference may not work.
20:56.33AstainHellbringhmm
20:57.23cr2AstainHellbring: you may document the gsm command set :)
20:57.24dzoTry getting the proc_comm stuff to work, that will give you lots more functionality.
20:58.03AstainHellbringuhm cr2 that sounds like a hell of a task I'd guess
20:59.36dzoAnybody looked at SD yet?
20:59.54cr2AstainHellbring: not really. mostly 'strings rilgsm.dll'
21:00.10cr2dzo: it's a part of DEX on kaiser.
21:00.32AstainHellbringI'm not quite sure I understand cr2 that mean just take apart the rilgsm.dll from wm?
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21:01.26cr2dzo: do you handle these clocks ?
21:01.29cr2MSM_CLK_CTL, DEX
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21:01.56cr2AstainHellbring: yes. just check the differences to older phones.
21:02.26cr2http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM
21:02.30dzoyes, I enable the SD clock and also at +0xa0 and +0xA4, vogue has no wifi.
21:02.41cr2ok.
21:04.16dzoproc_comm is quite simple (on vogue anyway), write to SMEM, then do A2M(6) and wait for IRQ6
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21:05.08cr2i think it'd be the same on kaiser
21:05.11dzoif you trace SMEM and look for irq6 you should see some things, vogue polls the battery every 10 secs.
21:05.20cr2dzo: what do you think about bt ?
21:05.35cr2dzo: tracing smem on kaiser does not work afaik.
21:06.05dzoI think it does if you use the correct mapping.
21:06.37dzoI haven't looked at BT, either it's on SD2 or the UART.
21:06.52cr2ok, since i don't have the kaiser, maybe you are right :)
21:07.22cr2dzo: bt is on some uart, but uses dma for 3mbit
21:07.37cr2i think on diamond it's uart3.
21:08.55dzoI'm not sure DMA works yet, nothing I have working uses it. I also don't think the VIC code is correct, I can't find the type and polarity regs for the VIC.
21:10.15dzoI just looked at the wince SD code and it seems very different to the android kernel. Doesn't use the same interrupts and only reads 1 word at a time from the buffer.
21:10.58dzoI think I'll try reverting the android code to the original PIO driver and try to get that working.
21:11.52dzoOK got to go to work now, bye all.
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22:56.06blingwadmanhello
22:58.07cr2hi
22:58.31blingwadmanhow goes it?
22:58.58blingwadmanI seem to have a setup that few people use
23:02.59blingwadmanalthough I am not averse to contributing
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23:13.58dcordes_hi all
23:14.15AstainHellbringhiya dcordes
23:14.23dcordes_martin__: no changes. I wget the premy kaiser-smd.c straight into the tree
23:15.14dcordes_let's see how many people tested it yet
23:16.16AstainHellbringI'll bet tons
23:18.49ginge_yeah, seems like tons based on the forums
23:19.02dcordes_I don't see that
23:19.38dcordes_ginge_: how's your serial?
23:19.46AstainHellbringI know I've had lots of fun showing it off to cooworkers
23:19.54ginge_ok. Did you see the link?
23:21.45dcordes_ginge_: yea :) you're completely crazy
23:21.58ginge_thanks. I work hard on that.
23:22.07timebombyou guys familiar with freespl?
23:22.11timebombsorry
23:22.13timebombjumpspl
23:22.32AstainHellbringyes timebomb a bit whatcha wanna know?
23:22.59timebombso imagine we got a fully working lin setup and we want to make it boot directly from a custom boot loader
23:23.21timebombi can use jumpspl to test the bootloader until its fully running before i decide to flash it on the device right?
23:23.27timebombor did i misunderstand something?
23:23.35dcordes_ginge_: have you looked for the keyboard's light sensor?
23:23.44AstainHellbringin theory yes that temp replaces spl
23:24.06ginge_dcordes_: not yet. I was looking at the dma activity. Or lack of.
23:24.24timebombwhy is it then that nobody uses the spl's in the custom roms that are available in the xda-developers threads?
23:24.47dcordes_ginge_: what's that laptop of yours in the pics?
23:25.14AstainHellbringwhat do you mean timebomb?
23:25.30ginge_dcordes_: some cheap HP G6xxx range
23:25.44timebombi mean imagine you use that cidunlock thing everytime you want to flash a new rom that is not for your device you need to run it again
23:25.48ginge_dcordes_: Cheapest I could buy. I tend to break them about once a year :/
23:25.55timebombwhy not just integrate the patched bootloader into the rom?
23:25.57dcordes_:)
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23:26.21AstainHellbringnot good to fully flash spl over and over timebomb
23:26.39dcordes_cr2: do you have any ideas on SD?
23:26.56timebombbut that htc updater flashes the spl too doesn't it?
23:27.16AstainHellbringnot all of them timebomb
23:27.21timebombhmmm
23:27.37timebombok another question
23:27.53timebombhow does the ipl blend in? i mean if i were to write a custom linux boot loader
23:28.14AstainHellbringthat I don't know ask cmonex for more info he is in #xda-devs
23:28.15timebombi overwrite the ipl too don't i?
23:28.17dcordes_timebomb: good point
23:28.46timebombi don't get it :s
23:55.38dcordes_looks like booting linux directly from the stock htc SPL on the MSMs will be easy :)
23:56.23timebomb:D

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