| 00:00.39 | marex | ie. on Masaryk's uni in brno they have just one semester of linear algebra (we have two) in second semester |
| 00:00.49 | marex | they also have just one semester of calculus (we have three) |
| 00:01.01 | dcordes | what in hell is calculus? |
| 00:01.12 | marex | calculus - mathematical analysis |
| 00:01.20 | dcordes | ok |
| 00:01.24 | dcordes | graphs and shit |
| 00:01.35 | marex | limits, derivations, integrals ... |
| 00:02.13 | dcordes | so what's the suficient condition for a turning point? |
| 00:02.18 | marex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus |
| 00:02.31 | marex | dcordes, what do you mean ? |
| 00:02.49 | dcordes | haha don't know that is some random question I associate with analysis |
| 00:03.28 | marex | I feel sleepy, guess I will go to bed soon |
| 00:03.28 | dcordes | one of the plenty ones I picked up while sleeping during maths class |
| 00:03.42 | marex | hehe :) |
| 00:04.30 | dcordes | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/NautilusCutawayLogarithmicSpiral.jpg look the nautilus' home is all logarithmic |
| 00:06.44 | marex | yea |
| 00:09.14 | CVirus | haha |
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| 07:31.05 | BabelO_ | hi |
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| 07:41.27 | BabelO_ | ola kiozen |
| 07:41.41 | kiozen | ola BabelO_ |
| 07:42.44 | kiozen | BabelO_: you read the logs? installation is still not working for a non admin user |
| 07:43.00 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes i ve read |
| 07:43.22 | kiozen | BabelO_: I'll try to investigate a bit more .. |
| 07:43.33 | BabelO_ | cr2: not easy to compile roadmap_editro for qtopia, it not compile for qt here i miss dgl |
| 07:43.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: does map export work for you? |
| 07:44.17 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i ve to try again, was a little busy yesturday :) about gt installer, you can trace what's go wrong with filemon tools |
| 07:45.18 | kiozen | lol, " little busy" == "too much Pernod" ? |
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| 07:46.31 | BabelO_ | kiozen: lol no, too much work |
| 07:46.51 | kiozen | BabelO_: just jokeing :) |
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| 07:47.24 | BabelO_ | kiozen: building gt in non debug mode |
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| 07:52.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i do select sub area ? |
| 07:52.49 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes |
| 07:53.33 | BabelO_ | kiozen: but once it is done i see the area i selected on the map, but how to save to file now ? |
| 07:53.59 | kiozen | select it in the selected maps list (left hand toolbox) |
| 07:54.08 | kiozen | BabelO_: next press export button |
| 07:55.15 | BabelO_ | kiozen: sorry i did not see it |
| 07:56.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: it's a bit different now :) but better for future needs |
| 07:57.52 | BabelO_ | kiozen: where is this button ? http://linuxbox2.free.fr/gt.PNG |
| 07:59.24 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol, you have to raise the splitter view :) |
| 08:01.12 | kiozen | BabelO_: http://www.qlandkarte.org/snapshot3.png |
| 08:02.31 | BabelO_ | kiozen: oh right, this disappear since some days now :) |
| 08:03.14 | kiozen | BabelO_: hm, qt's splitter views and setup. I don't like |
| 08:03.59 | BabelO_ | kiozen: that's great red when selected, and now export, have to look at file now |
| 08:04.38 | kiozen | BabelO_: and grey if it's not on the current map |
| 08:05.00 | kiozen | BabelO_: you can load the export into GT again |
| 08:05.11 | BabelO_ | kiozen: wow you generate much more file |
| 08:05.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: much more? |
| 08:05.56 | kiozen | BabelO_: it schould be exactly what's within the bounding box |
| 08:06.31 | kiozen | BabelO_: if that is a cluttered pile of files, you'll get that as export, too |
| 08:07.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes i see why i ve 0 files |
| 08:07.07 | BabelO_ | 10* |
| 08:08.11 | kiozen | BabelO_: even export is working for you now, you should optimize your map. |
| 08:08.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: your device will be happy to have less stuff to load |
| 08:09.05 | kiozen | BabelO_: but never the less, export had to be done right |
| 08:11.36 | kiozen | BabelO_: trying to understand your nsi script, think you have lost me :) |
| 08:21.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: right click on export maps list :) you have an empty popupmenu entry |
| 08:21.22 | BabelO_ | kiozen: andy_jsarea added are not in historic order to me |
| 08:21.41 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i ve just added HKCU |
| 08:22.36 | kiozen | BabelO_ the empty entry is to save you from deleting the selection by accident |
| 08:23.20 | BabelO_ | h :) |
| 08:23.23 | BabelO_ | good idea |
| 08:23.24 | kiozen | thinks who the f... is andy_jsarea? |
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| 08:30.23 | kiozen | BabelO_ ah now I get it :) well the areas are stored in a QMap object. That does not preserve the order the areas are added |
| 08:32.11 | BabelO_ | kiozen: where is exe installer for GT ? |
| 08:34.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: I always copy the files in the nsi directory and start it manually |
| 08:35.30 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok |
| 08:36.25 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ah wrong completion :) export maps area added in the list are not ..... |
| 08:36.41 | BabelO_ | Sorry andy_js :) amien is very good but too cold for me :) |
| 08:51.59 | andy_js | BabelO_: Its not that bad in the summer. In the winter my computer runs at -20oC, indoors. |
| 08:52.12 | andy_js | and I'm not BS'ing |
| 08:52.35 | andy_js | it gets seriously cold |
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| 09:29.25 | BabelO_ | andy_js: lol, it is very good for summer too, no need of big fan in computer, only two week per year :) |
| 09:33.54 | andy_js | nah, its more like 6 :p |
| 09:36.04 | BabelO_ | lol |
| 09:38.18 | kiozen | BabelO_, andy_js: you might spare the fan but you need a lifebelt to keep it from sinking into the melting ground ;) |
| 09:52.40 | swc|666 | wtf does that mena.. I Was Somebody Who is No Business of Yours |
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| 10:04.45 | BabelO_ | marex: so n560 sound ? :) |
| 10:05.33 | BabelO_ | marex: on omap it seem it use dsp ... that s not a good news |
| 10:05.54 | marex | argh ... never knew blackmailing is contagious |
| 10:08.51 | andy_js | kiozen: ??? My Q6600 overclocked to 3ghz really does run at -20oC in the winter. |
| 10:09.12 | andy_js | must remember to get screen-shots |
| 10:09.29 | andy_js | I have to wear a coat and gloves to use it :p |
| 10:11.35 | kiozen | andy_js: I just wondered how the situation must be in summer :) I imagined a pc at -20°C on frozen ground in winter, sinking in the mud in summer. I just have too much fantasy ;) |
| 10:12.46 | andy_js | its in-doors |
| 10:12.57 | andy_js | i have a house :p |
| 10:13.41 | andy_js | I also have speed-stepping enabled and 9 fans |
| 10:13.41 | kiozen | sure :) it was just in my imagination |
| 10:14.03 | kiozen | andy_js: btw ever got glued to the keyboard because you forgot the glowes ? |
| 10:14.24 | kiozen | s/glowes/gloves/ |
| 10:14.46 | andy_js | no but I've had the monitor freeze (get a stuck picture) |
| 10:15.04 | andy_js | and the response rate goes way down |
| 10:15.53 | kiozen | lol, extrem computing :) |
| 10:24.40 | marex | hehe :) |
| 10:40.02 | andy_js | I'm gonna get me some water cooling and aim for the overclocking world record :p |
| 10:40.18 | andy_js | for the q6600, or course |
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| 12:26.26 | BabelO_ | paulproteus: that's why last day i got the message :) http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 it seem that some user are too strict with valgrind use and remove warning by removing the code |
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| 13:14.27 | majorburn | marex: whatcha mean about blackmailing |
| 13:22.36 | BabelO_ | kiozen: now GT export is very well :) |
| 13:22.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: nice to hear, I just made a release :) |
| 13:23.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: and new screenshots on the webpage |
| 13:24.13 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i m looking at track, on your map i see lot of red track, is it done by garmin device ? |
| 13:24.52 | kiozen | BabelO_: no, it's a hiking map with the trails printed on |
| 13:25.49 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ah ok |
| 13:26.13 | kiozen | BabelO_: the one screenshot on the webpage has a garmin track on it |
| 13:27.38 | marex | majorburn, well blackmailing ... does it have more translations ? :p |
| 13:28.07 | kiozen | BabelO_: sent you a track to overlay |
| 13:28.21 | majorburn | I assumed you said it for some sort of followup |
| 13:29.05 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok it look nice, joomla login is broken on screenshotweb page |
| 13:29.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: hm works with me, broken in the sense of login or layout? |
| 13:31.25 | BabelO_ | kiozen: layout, login is under first screenshot |
| 13:31.55 | kiozen | BabelO_: ok that happens on inferior resolutions :P |
| 13:32.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: best to be seen with 2560x1600 |
| 13:33.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: lol, i am with 1280 x 1024 here not very high, at home only 1600 x 1050 |
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| 13:33.12 | BabelO_ | ah ah too big want same |
| 13:33.59 | kiozen | BabelO_: if I make smaller screenies, you can't see enought, they a re bad already |
| 13:34.28 | kiozen | BabelO_: let's say it's just a bad joomla layout :) |
| 13:35.30 | kiozen | BabelO_: my partners always make jokes about me because I have to turn my head to see things on my screen |
| 13:35.42 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i understand better why you say track is not easy to do, logging information, not too much, just enough ... |
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| 13:36.44 | kiozen | BabelO_: and it has to be fail safe. People will kill me if after two days hiking the ppc crashes and the complete track is gone :) |
| 13:36.45 | dcordes | I've done it |
| 13:36.59 | kiozen | dcordes: congrats :) |
| 13:37.20 | kiozen | dcordes: now: after school is just right before school :P |
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| 13:47.14 | kiozen | BabelO_: nasty spam protection you have |
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| 13:48.45 | dcordes | kiozen: come on don't spoil my euphorism |
| 13:49.27 | kiozen | dcordes: no, don't want to, so don't hang around in the net, go party! |
| 13:49.43 | dcordes | I'm on a small break |
| 13:49.50 | kiozen | lol |
| 13:49.52 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes, very clever system, it is people the anti spam filter :), but hing you don't know, i f i did not allow sender in 15 days, then all mail are removed |
| 13:51.37 | kiozen | BabelO_: well I need the spam to be ensured that the account is working, but our filters are good, only 1 or two messages a day make it thru |
| 13:52.56 | cr2 | hi |
| 13:53.08 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok, where i load track in menu ? other thing is to replace popupmenu blank entry by the separator entry :) |
| 13:53.10 | kiozen | hi cr2 |
| 13:53.12 | BabelO_ | hi cr2 |
| 13:53.16 | cr2 | kiozen: ""In den groÃen Städten findet man leicht âIrreâ, die mit dem GPS-Gerät durch die Gegend laufen", schmunzelt Merz." :) |
| 13:53.35 | cr2 | kiozen: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,3363586,00.html |
| 13:53.43 | kiozen | and with osm on their forehead |
| 13:54.01 | cr2 | lol |
| 13:54.46 | kiozen | BabelO_: file->load geo data |
| 13:55.07 | BabelO_ | kiozen: ok i see |
| 13:56.58 | kiozen | BabelO_: separator does not have the wnated effect as it is not selectable |
| 13:57.47 | kiozen | BabelO_: but I can do "----", maybe that is less irritating |
| 13:58.10 | cr2 | kiozen: i've already seen a good .osm->.mp converter really supporting routing. i think google & co. will get their ass kicked in big european cities soon. |
| 13:58.12 | BabelO_ | ah yes that what some software do |
| 13:59.02 | kiozen | or: "this entry is left blank intentionally" |
| 13:59.21 | kiozen | or as shortcut: "teilbi" |
| 14:02.57 | kiozen | cr2: sounds good, once there is a nice vector format we can add it to GT as overlay |
| 14:04.04 | kiozen | cr2: need that n560 soon, run out of work for GT |
| 14:05.57 | BabelO_ | kiozen: tracks look nice, just miss some self made track :) |
| 14:06.28 | kiozen | BabelO_: think I start with that on M blindly |
| 14:07.07 | kiozen | BabelO_: and I can recommend the hike, it's a nice one :) |
| 14:08.06 | cr2 | kiozen: compile a new qtopia distro. i'm looking at the sound today. |
| 14:08.30 | BabelO_ | cr2: can't compile roadmap_editor on my qtopia :( |
| 14:08.50 | BabelO_ | cr2: you want it for athena ? |
| 14:09.02 | kiozen | cr2: that is a task I need the device for. :) |
| 14:09.09 | cr2 | BabelO_: ok. maybe. i've checked it on desktop onlöy |
| 14:09.57 | cr2 | BabelO_: this one too, but a main goal is to show that the OSM routable maps on qtopia are already a reality. |
| 14:10.20 | cr2 | kiozen: ok. |
| 14:11.16 | kiozen | cr2: I have to write my own device specific code for qtopia to make it work nice, just using the htc stuff won't work |
| 14:12.05 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, that's true. |
| 14:12.13 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol, but people even pretend you artemis with M does not exist |
| 14:13.02 | BabelO_ | cr2: ok :) i will try again this evening |
| 14:13.42 | BabelO_ | kiozen: not since i up load the latest image :) with all to test gps |
| 14:13.56 | BabelO_ | cr2: i have added a dump dmesg output to fat partition on latest images |
| 14:14.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: :) |
| 14:14.15 | cr2 | ok. |
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| 14:40.13 | kiozen | cr2: you know this site? http://www.viewfinderpanoramas.org/dem3.html |
| 14:40.24 | kiozen | it has some nice 1' DEM data |
| 14:49.26 | cr2 | kiozen: looks nice. but uses the silly ms paths to files ;) |
| 14:49.53 | kiozen | who cares about names :) |
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| 15:13.34 | dcordes | lol I'm getting a new kaiser |
| 15:14.21 | dcordes | somebody wanna test bootloaders :D ? |
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| 17:51.08 | miknix | cr2, ping |
| 17:51.48 | miknix | BabelO, ping |
| 17:52.02 | BabelO | hi miknix |
| 17:52.20 | miknix | hi BabelO |
| 17:52.36 | miknix | BabelO, I'm going to try to get the correct lcd timings for my wizard |
| 17:53.09 | miknix | BabelO, do you have any idea which .dll or register to check on wm5? |
| 17:53.36 | BabelO | miknix: i ve done it on artemis :) |
| 17:53.47 | BabelO | miknix: simply dump register with haret, it is enough |
| 17:53.54 | BabelO | miknix: and look at the code |
| 17:54.11 | miknix | BabelO, the htc wizard can have two lcds.. a toppoly and a samsung one |
| 17:54.45 | BabelO | miknix: yes, then found someone with other to dump it :) |
| 17:54.58 | miknix | BabelO, K.. which register is it? |
| 17:55.14 | BabelO | miknix: don't remember , i just look into driver |
| 17:56.13 | BabelO | miknix: drivers/video/omap/lcdc.c |
| 17:56.17 | miknix | BabelO, hum.. but looks like htc magician uses the same lcd as us: http://linuxtogo.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=blob;f=arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician/magician_lcd.c;h=3bb3ce0c3f0f633630766b39373d9957ff5483dd;hb=work |
| 17:56.36 | BabelO | miknix: you can see structure code into it |
| 17:57.01 | miknix | I'm going to try magician timings first |
| 17:57.04 | miknix | thanks. |
| 17:57.12 | BabelO | miknix: it depend of LCD sure but also timing of CPU and choice of quartz |
| 17:57.28 | miknix | hum..... |
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| 19:09.44 | cr2 | BabelO: ? |
| 19:10.25 | BabelO | cr2: i m here :) |
| 19:13.10 | BabelO | cr2: what ? LCD timing ? |
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| 20:20.54 | BabelO | cr2: sleeping ? |
| 20:28.00 | cr2 | no |
| 20:29.24 | BabelO | cr2: artemis gps with sirfmon say something like fail to sync |
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| 20:29.56 | pikapika | hi |
| 20:30.14 | BabelO | hi pikapika |
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| 20:32.25 | cr2 | BabelO: gpsd works ? |
| 20:33.01 | BabelO | cr2: yes it works, i get message from gpsd tools |
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| 20:43.36 | cr2 | BabelO: and sirfmon does not work ? |
| 20:43.51 | cr2 | BabelO: you may try to set a higher debug level for gpsd |
| 20:44.14 | cr2 | so you'll see why it fails to switch for sirf binary. |
| 20:44.46 | BabelO | cr2: ok, i look more |
| 20:47.12 | cr2 | BabelO: can you also check if roadmap autodetected the serial port+speed in wince ? |
| 20:47.45 | BabelO | cr2: where can i get roadmap wince version ? |
| 20:50.50 | pikapika | hi BabelO :) |
| 20:51.46 | cr2 | BabelO: http://danny.backx.info/download/roadmap-20080529.tar.gz |
| 20:59.00 | BabelO | cr2: it freeze my device with preference config file not found error |
| 21:01.18 | cr2 | BabelO: you'd create the roadmap/ directory on the SD card |
| 21:01.31 | BabelO | cr2: yes on top |
| 21:01.36 | cr2 | and put the files from this archive there + the contents of ~/.roadmap |
| 21:02.05 | cr2 | including the maps in ~/.roadmap/maps |
| 21:02.21 | BabelO | cr2: ah not the.roadmap |
| 21:03.48 | cr2 | hm. |
| 21:04.15 | cr2 | copy the map from ~/.roadmap/maps to ${SD}/roadmap/maps |
| 21:10.56 | dereks | hey. i looked and couldn't find the answer... does anyone have information on getting linux to run on a HTC Excalibur |
| 21:12.18 | cr2 | dereks: cpu ? |
| 21:13.07 | dereks | omap850 -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC_Excalibur |
| 21:14.35 | cr2 | hm,ok. now you need to find out if it's using an i2c cpld. |
| 21:14.54 | cr2 | dereks: is it a "cheap" phone ? |
| 21:15.30 | dereks | cr2: no idea :) friend gave i tto me |
| 21:16.54 | cr2 | dereks: ok, then try the wizard kernel. |
| 21:17.05 | dereks | cr2: hmm, ok |
| 21:17.27 | cr2 | dereks: there are 2 options: wizard and artemis for omap850 |
| 21:17.50 | cr2 | artemis has everything possible in it, including gps and fm. |
| 21:18.01 | cr2 | so it's not a cheap phone :) |
| 21:19.39 | dereks | cr2: the excallibur only has the typicla gambit of wifi, bluetooth, gsm, etc. I am not planning on using it as a phone though |
| 21:22.39 | BabelO | cr2: does i keep gpsd:// in preference file ? what s com setting in wince ? |
| 21:22.53 | BabelO | cr2: actually it does not start |
| 21:23.35 | cr2 | BabelO: hm. strange. |
| 21:23.53 | cr2 | BabelO: remove gpsd line from preferences. |
| 21:28.20 | BabelO | cr2: no, same display freeze, only roadmap title is displayed |
| 21:30.32 | cr2 | strange. |
| 21:31.21 | cr2 | there are some gui preferences layout bugs in the landscape mode, but otherwise it works. |
| 21:31.46 | cr2 | i've got the fix, and can see the maps on athena. |
| 21:31.48 | BabelO | cr2: i use your rdm map |
| 21:31.59 | cr2 | yes, me too. |
| 21:32.07 | BabelO | can i try your preferences file ? |
| 21:32.35 | cr2 | which is your wince gps port + speed ? |
| 21:32.42 | cr2 | yes, i can send it to you. |
| 21:32.55 | BabelO | cr2: it is com4 |
| 21:35.12 | cr2 | i've sent the original. |
| 21:39.26 | BabelO | cr2: thanks, but same |
| 21:39.55 | BabelO | cr2: athena is wm6 too ? |
| 21:40.49 | cr2 | no |
| 21:40.55 | cr2 | wm5 |
| 21:41.11 | cr2 | BabelO: i'll send you the "real" files |
| 21:42.44 | BabelO | cr2: ok, i ll don't understand, and no remote debugger for wince running on linux |
| 21:43.15 | cr2 | BabelO: i#m wondering if we can get the polygons for french departements to cut this map http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/europe/ |
| 21:46.26 | cr2 | not in the world_boundaries.shp |
| 21:46.39 | cr2 | but i must have seen such file... |
| 21:47.53 | cr2 | yes, found it :) |
| 21:48.54 | BabelO | cr2: i ve a postmortem file created on device |
| 21:51.05 | cr2 | BabelO: it's much bigger. |
| 21:51.19 | cr2 | on n560 even flite works. |
| 21:53.31 | cr2 | GPS.Source: com5: |
| 21:53.40 | cr2 | GPS.Baud Rate: 4800 |
| 21:53.42 | cr2 | sending. |
| 21:54.07 | miknix | BabelO, thanks.. lcd timings are correct now :) it was mostly due to use of inverse pixel clock |
| 21:54.21 | cr2 | BabelO: the Polish file goes into ${SD}/roadmap/default |
| 21:54.46 | cr2 | BabelO: change to com4: and 9600 |
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| 22:42.32 | BabelO | miknix: you use other description, or you do your one ? |
| 22:42.53 | miknix | BabelO, ? |
| 22:43.08 | BabelO | miknix: what settings do you use ? |
| 22:43.18 | miknix | BabelO, for lcd? |
| 22:43.26 | BabelO | miknix: yes |
| 22:43.49 | miknix | BabelO, http://pastebin.com/me257e29 |
| 22:44.09 | miknix | I put some subpanel detection on probe() and use the correct timings for the detected panel |
| 23:06.27 | BabelO | cr2: i think my wince is completly broken, cant start big app |
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