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04:14.37swc|666are there kernel header files available for 2.6.21-hh20?
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04:52.30swc|666are there kernel header files available for 2.6.21-hh20?
04:54.14pigeonhmm, at the moment, which htc phones has the best linux support?
04:59.05swc|666universal
04:59.37goxboxlivepigeon: mioa701
05:02.38pigeonthanks
05:05.11swc|666mioa isnt an htc
05:14.26goxboxliveswc|666: so?
05:14.49goxboxliveit's all the same as an htc phone. We have the source at hh.org
05:15.28goxboxlivewe make images from the same source as we use with htc devices
05:16.54swc|666pigeon asked which HTC phone atm has the best support
05:18.17pigeonwell, i thought i'd ask for htc phones only since this is #htc-linux ;)
05:19.11pigeonbut yeah, i'm happy with any linux phones in fact.
05:19.38swc|666universal with debian sid is the best i've found... angstrom is crap
05:21.38pigeonany good with the blueangel?
05:24.07swc|666its ok, but blueangel is slower
05:24.21pigeonright
05:24.49swc|666and only angstrom is available for it
05:27.03pigeonwhat's angstrom?
05:28.08swc|666based on debian, but no where near as good
05:28.58swc|666uses the itsy pkg manager.. a pita to develop for. debian is better because of the aptitude ability
05:29.59pigeonah
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07:48.53tempohi all
07:49.18tempoi want to buy a dopod, which one is better for developers?
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07:53.40BabelO_hi
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08:04.52swc|666tempo.. u can have mine
08:32.05BabelO_swc|666: why blueangel is slower ?
08:37.53swc|666400 mhz
08:38.52swc|666i have to say though debian sid is very nice to have with icewm on uni
08:39.11swc|666sooo much better with aptitude
08:39.57swc|666and the wifi is a bit more stable, which i cannot figure out why... still has big problems though
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08:41.59BabelO_swc|666: but it have 128Mb of memory, processor speed is not very impressive between 400 and 500 , i run angstrom on my omap200Mhz, it works fine without problem
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08:42.42BabelO_swc|666: for wifi, it works well on ba, i have no issue
08:43.13swc|666Babel0_: have u tried to get Debian Lenny or Sid on the BA?
08:46.27swc|666also BabelO_, which one do u have... Qtek? Dopod...?
08:47.02BabelO_swc|666: i ve spv m2000
08:47.21BabelO_and no tried debain, just running qtopia
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08:55.43danielkbxHi BabelO, I have strange news for you.
08:55.58swc|666pregnant?
08:56.11danielkbxGood guess, swcl666.
08:56.17danielkbxYou are the mother.
08:56.39swc|666:o
08:56.45danielkbxI did not want to tell you, should have been a surprise.
08:56.48swc|666damn tequilla
08:56.56swc|666evil tequilla
08:57.06swc|666lol
08:58.50danielkbxTequilla?
08:58.52danielkbxOne for me.
08:59.45swc|666:D
09:01.24BabelO_danielkbx: what strange news ?
09:01.43danielkbxI wanted to try your hint (booting and doing nothing).
09:01.50danielkbxSo I booted and did nothing :-9
09:02.07danielkbxIt is running now for about 10 minutes.
09:02.12danielkbxBut.
09:02.38danielkbxThe displays goes black every 1 or 2 minutes and comes back after 20 or 30 seconds.
09:02.58danielkbxTouching the display or pressing a button does not bring the display back.
09:03.17danielkbxWhen it is displaying something, I can use it quite normal.
09:03.57BabelO_danielkbx: that's normal display goes black, i ve to upload newer version then
09:04.17danielkbxOkay, I just thought you wanted to know about that.
09:04.24BabelO_danielkbx: so it is not the watchdog, good news
09:04.34danielkbxBy the way, swcl666 is pregnant :-)
09:04.40swc|666:o
09:04.46danielkbxSeem to be no watchdog.
09:04.57BabelO_danielkbx: thanks for the test, i'll upload a new version with commanager, so you can test M with gps
09:05.10BabelO_danielkbx: it is desactivvated on boot in linux
09:05.19danielkbxGreat.
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09:24.47PCrazeeright now: openmoko speech @ linuxtag
09:24.54paulproteusURL?
09:25.26PCrazeejust looking for a stream
09:25.32PCrazeei hope there is one
09:26.51PCrazeeno stream of this one :(
09:27.02PCrazeebut it's in german anyways
09:47.21paulproteusWho's speaking?
09:58.33no2chemno one?
09:58.45paulproteusI mean, about OpenMoko at LinuxTag.
09:59.02no2chemmeh, dunno, not really a nix person
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11:32.12okiasHello, any news about HTC Kaiser? Last change in git is 2008-05-12
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14:37.48BabyDrazHas anyone managed to get linux working on a HTC Sable / HW6915??
14:38.27BabyDrazI'm trying to use Haret, but I need an appropriate zImage
14:48.56cr2BabyDraz: the hh.org CVS kernel was booting last i've check a week ago.,
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14:50.27dcordeshi cr2, others
14:50.35dcordesmartin__: you around?
14:51.03BabyDrazI did go on the hh.org cvs, but to be fair I had no idea where to look
14:52.08dcordesBabyDraz: there is a nice howto build hh kernel in the hh wiki
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14:52.36dcordesBabyDraz: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel maybe that helps, just change universal to sable
14:54.43BabyDrazyeah, been there to. Found a bit of info but no kernal.  Found this reference that someone had bilt one http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SableProgress
14:55.04BabyDrazbut can't actually find it
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14:56.43dcordesBabyDraz: just roll your own
15:00.18dcordesjust ask if you have a problem
15:00.37dcordesI'm sure I'll be able to help
15:03.09BabyDrazok I'll have to look into compiling my own but the main problem I have is most of the kernels I get hold of through an error saying Image too large
15:03.56dcordesso haret says something like size1+size2=.. max allowed size is size3?
15:04.02BabyDrazyep
15:04.20dcordeswhere do you keep your filesystem?
15:04.38BabyDrazsd card
15:04.56dcordesthat's odd. do you use the sable defconfig?
15:05.58BabyDrazI'm using the config
15:06.20BabyDrazhttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SableProgress
15:06.53BabyDrazalthough with set initrd initrd-android
15:07.25dcordessee that is your problem. you don't actually have your filesystem on sd but as a ramdisk
15:07.45dcordesdoesn't matter where you have it on boottime
15:08.16dcordesbecause it gets loaded into your ram which is too small with 64M - wince allocated ram
15:09.23dcordesBabyDraz: did you try and boot a proper linux filesystem extracted to your sd card?
15:09.58BabyDrazno, I'll look into that
15:10.32BabyDrazthanks for the help
15:11.24dcordesin case you build with enabled module support and build some stuff in the kernel as module, you will have to install these modules into your filesystem
15:11.49dcordesno problem
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18:25.33|sven|Good evening boys and girls!
18:25.39paulproteusHow are you?
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18:28.16szsoftwaresven is now szsoftware
18:28.35szsoftwareGodd evening boys and girls again ;-)
18:28.51szsoftwaredcordes: are you available?
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18:58.31dcordesszsoftware: now
18:58.42dcordesszsoftware: hi boy or girl
19:00.27paulproteusOh, time.
19:00.41dcordeshuh?
19:01.25paulproteusIt's just sad that you and szsoftware keep missing each other.
19:01.40dcordesdid we miss before?
19:02.01paulproteusshrugs
19:02.16paulproteusNever mind.
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19:02.47dcordespaulproteus: how is openmoko on beetles?
19:03.03paulproteusI'm not sure, I've only tried on Uni and Magician.
19:03.05dcordesoh it was magician?
19:03.07dcordesok
19:03.08paulproteusnods
19:03.16dcordesdoes it work yet?
19:03.21paulproteusAnd it seems the OpenMoko GTK apps are being abandoned.
19:03.33dcordesok so the qvga isn't fixed yet?
19:03.49paulproteusThe OM image from goxboxlive from last Dec works well, but there were some... weird problems, I forget.
19:03.58dcordesie the matchbox-* alignments are still screwed up
19:04.14dcordesfrom last december doesn't matter much
19:04.20dcordesI'd rather build a recent one
19:06.35dcordesbbl
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20:05.01szsoftwaredcordes: Sorry, was absent
20:20.19kiozen_silent today..
20:22.22dcordeskiozen_: is virtual address=logical address?
20:23.01kiozen_dcordes: oh gosh :) imho no
20:23.56kiozen_dcordes: have to dig for my master thesis to know for sure :)
20:23.58dcordeskiozen_: what is the difference between the two?
20:24.40dcordesok
20:24.45kiozen_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_address_space
20:25.14dcordesoh useful
20:26.12kiozen_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_address
20:27.39kiozen_dcordes: thus virtual address space is the total address space your cpu sees by it's address register
20:28.11kiozen_dcordes: this mustn't be all physical memory
20:28.43kiozen_dcordes: the logical address is the address from the viewpoint of your program
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20:54.55lynucswow, pretty good visited chan!
20:55.00lynucshello everybody
20:57.00lynucsjust a question (which you maybe hear too often), is it already possible to run linux on htc P3300 (xda orbit)? i don't mean just booting to console (like was able to see in a video)
20:58.21cr2lynucs: p3300 is htc artemis ? ask BabelO
20:58.35lynucscr2: yes
20:59.03lynucsBabelO: you there? :)
20:59.30BabelOlynucs: yes, here http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcartemis/qtopia/
20:59.48lynucsBabelO: thank you, i'lll take a look
21:00.25BabelOlynucs: more than console :) just copy both file on top of your sd and start .exe, you need a least 200 Mb free on sd card after the copy
21:01.00lynucsBabelO: is there anythibg i should take care of before running? :)
21:01.35BabelOhumm
21:01.57BabelOlynucs: you are running wm5 or wm6 or wm6.1 ?
21:02.14lynucswm6. and is there some documentation/report on it (what works and not) and what is beeing developed at the moment?
21:04.53BabelOlynucs: read first post here :) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393973
21:05.11lynucsBabelO: okay, thank you
21:05.25BabelOcr2: found someone with blank llcd on boot sometimes , i ll just ask him to post dmesg output if opossible
21:09.32lynucswill test it tomorrow after work on on weekend! how cool!
21:09.42lynucscu then :)
21:09.49BabelOcr2: i think i ve to automate dmesg output processing to fat
21:09.53BabelOlynucs: bye :)
21:14.35dcordesBabelO: do you have access to the htcpxa account?
21:14.59dcordeswould be nice to add a picture link for the artemis
21:16.15kiozen_BabelO: doing that map export right is a tought piece of work :)
21:18.28BabelOcr2: lol doing advice for trolltech :) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2221157#post2221157
21:19.15BabelOkiozen_: you have lot of work :) doing by hand should be harder for me :)
21:19.28BabelOdcordes: yes i upload image sometimes
21:19.57BabelOkiozen_: doing advice for you too :)
21:20.52kiozen_BabelO: thanks, but the coords are still bad :)
21:21.57BabelOkiozen_: don't worry fixing it already :) need to do more shoot want to add roadmap too, but limit is 4 screenes
21:22.48kiozen_BabelO: ok
21:23.55dcordesBabelO: is the htcpxa only for image with working phone?
21:24.04dcordess/image/images/
21:24.14lamahttp://www.gsmhelpdesk.nl/en/read-rss.php?id=2918 HTC RAPHAEL
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21:24.27dcordesBabelO: or can I also put a kaiser image?
21:26.39dcordeslama: an expensive ass kaiser in thin with vga
21:26.51dcordesvery nice device
21:27.11BabelOdcordes: yes you can but have to ask goxboxlive for that he have created the account
21:27.21lamanice keyboard
21:27.24lamawith ctrl key!
21:27.35lamaI hope there is esc too :>
21:27.41dcordeskaiser also has ctrl ;)
21:27.59dcordesholy crap it has five rows
21:29.34lamaholy boy I don't see esc and home/end keys that could be on right ale left arrows!
21:29.38dcordeshaha what the hell is a candy bar device?
21:29.45dcordeslickable?
21:30.11dcordeslama: remap
21:31.01lamaInternal memory:256 MB RAM mem.
21:31.02lama512 MB ROM mem.
21:31.21lamaheh my gf notebook has 256mb of ram :P
21:31.30szsoftwaredcordes: may I ask you some questions about OE and git.android?
21:31.49lamaSynchronization:Active Sync
21:31.50lamaBluetooth
21:31.50lamaRS232
21:31.50lamaUSB
21:31.51lamaWifi
21:31.58lamawtf RS232? :P
21:32.04dcordesszsoftware: yes
21:32.24dcordeslama: serial. they are talking about hte software serial port provided by usb
21:32.57lamaso bullshit :P
21:33.48szsoftwaredcordes: you recommended using angstrom/OE building working kernel-image for kaiser/polaris. I set up OE, and stuck in progress because of missing source.
21:34.16dcordesszsoftware: I didn't boot one with graphical interface yet. but the console images are quite useful
21:34.20dcordesjust fyi
21:34.53dcordesszsoftware: check bugs.openembedded.org if the bug is reported. If not probably ask in #OE
21:35.10szsoftwarehttp://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/
21:35.13dcordesmaybe it's easy. what is the package that fails?
21:35.16szsoftwaredcordes: yes, but the requested android kernel source from http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/sources/ is missing
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21:35.38dcordesszsoftware: oh I see so my kaiser kernel recipe is broken
21:35.43szsoftwaredcordes: thought you know a work around
21:36.49dcordesszsoftware: can you paste the whole error output please? bitbake should have told you something like see log in <path>
21:36.49szsoftwaredcordes: it's a quite important source for my aim, isn't it? ;-)
21:37.11szsoftwaredcordes: yes it told, moment please...
21:39.23dcordesprobably issues are: marbalon removed the patch from his server, you didn't set the correct git revision for the patch or the snapshot is not available anymore from git.android.com
21:40.04szsoftwareERROR: Build of /home/sven/htc-touch-cruise/linux/angstrom-devel/OE/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/linux-kaiser_2.6.24+git.bb do_patch failed
21:40.04szsoftware<PROTECTED>
21:41.00szsoftwaredcordes: at the moment my console is full of "applying patches" messages but the last error was:
21:41.11szsoftwareups sorry for the whole path
21:41.29dcordesszsoftware: I will fix this hold on
21:43.56szsoftwaredcordes: on git.android.com are only very old 2.6.23 snapshots, or? (http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list)
21:45.17cr2BabelO: lol -> "Hi Windows lusers"
21:46.17BabelOcr2: yes, that is don't found lot of artemis people with linux knowledge :)
21:46.47dcordesszsoftware: forget android.com I will ping you when it's fixed maybe tomorrow need to add .configs and stuff
21:46.59dcordesyou will just need mtn pull && mtn update ;)
21:47.56szsoftwaredcordes: fine. recommended commands are in my startscript.sh :-)
21:48.02cr2hehe
21:48.05cr2Brand processor:  Qualcomm
21:48.05cr2<PROTECTED>
21:48.17cr2on ameo.
21:48.23cr2"lusers" :)
21:50.03cr2BabelO: "Roller and trackball does not work in Qtopia" ?
21:51.14BabelOcr2: i use gpio key driver, i think it block bouncing event, and trackball is gpio mouse , so two pointer at same time need to add mouse cursor :(
21:51.59cr2ok
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22:06.47cr2kiozen: hahaha. "l"users. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2008-May/011850.html
22:08.28lamahi cr2 anything new to try on g900?
22:12.21szsoftwaredcordes: Just feeding my curiosity: Who's marbalon, what server/sources/code does he maintain? Is he a angstrom developer?
22:13.23dcordesszsoftware: he contributes to the kernel development for htckaiser. e.g. he's the one who made the board-kaiser-keypad.c
22:13.42dcordeshe is registred developer at linuxtogo.org
22:13.50dcordesfor our kernel
22:16.33szsoftwaredcordes: thanks.
22:28.37dcordescr2: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2244817&postcount=506
22:29.46dcordesks20 haretlog.txt
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22:30.43dcordescr2: it doesn't have the earlyharetlog.txt info, does it?
22:32.13cr2dcordes: Video Phys FB=169d27f0
22:32.39dcordescr2: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ dzo can send sms now with vogue
22:32.50cr2he has 128MB ram ?
22:33.11cr2well, if the AT cmd tx works, you can send sms.
22:33.13dcordeshtcvogue or ks20?
22:34.09cr2ks20
22:34.11dcordescr2: one think I keep asking myself all the time: We send and receive the at commands through the at fifo. Where does voice/sms text/video data/etc go through?
22:34.14cr2RAMSIZE=06000000
22:34.34cr26*16=96
22:35.27cr2voice is analog, and will be digitized by some DSP
22:35.38cr2sms is on AT cmd
22:35.43dcordesok
22:35.47cr2video depends on the device.
22:36.06dcordesalright can't produce video data. will try when I flashed new rom
22:37.16dcordesso the audio is provided by the proc_comm I guess?
22:38.01cr2yes, it has 128
22:38.37cr2and the FB is behind 96. more sane design than kaiser :)
22:39.32dcordesI didn't notice marbalon put the at register data in the memory map
22:39.46dcordeshttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMemoryMap&action=diff&version=43
22:44.11cr2dcordes: long ago
22:44.45cr2dcordes: the next 4bytes are size ?
22:45.26dcordesno sé
22:46.40dcordesI still don't understand what's head and tail and what are the values in the smd.c (buffer, start, size)
22:46.53dcordesis start=head?
22:48.25dcordesI can only see buffer in the code is buff in the memory map
22:49.46dcordesbut only for the rx
22:50.04dcordeslooks like a complete messup what is in my code can you look at it? http://pastebin.ca/1032610
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23:11.00cr2dcordes: looks ok.
23:11.09cr2BabelO: are you sleeping ?
23:12.14dcordescr2: if that is ok, how shall mmutrace fix at send?
23:13.34cr2dcordes: it could have shown which dll writes to the fifo. but it doesn't :(
23:14.14dcordescr2: dzo suggested me stuff which I didn't try yet
23:16.11szsoftwaregood night @ all
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23:32.40dcordes__cr2: if I got dzo right he tells me to dump the virtual not physical address to the fifo
23:33.12dcordes__cr2: how to trace 4k size?
23:34.25cr20x1000
23:35.00cr2dcordes_: the 0xb1* virtual addresses were traceable
23:35.39cr2dcordes_: b51
23:36.08cr2dcordes_: addlist mmutrace 0xb510xxxx 0x1000
23:37.39dcordes__00: Mapping 94f00000(@c0100000) accesses to e1100000 (tbl c0102402)
23:37.39dcordes__01: Mapping b5100000(@01f00000) accesses to e1200000 (tbl 01f00402)
23:39.38dcordes__in the mmu dump  4a30c000 points to 01f00000
23:40.11cr2dcordes_: xxxx should be the write fifo address
23:40.26cr2and you can trace all 0x2000
23:40.27dcordes__oh
23:40.52cr2you can also try to trace the tail/head
23:40.54cr2area
23:42.24dcordes__cr2: when you say write fifo address, which actual area do you mean? In the memory map there are several addresses for tx
23:42.35dcordes__namely head, tail and buff
23:44.49cr2<PROTECTED>
23:45.04dcordes__b5100000  | 01f00000 | 1MB section | D=0    AP=1
23:45.11cr2addlist mmutrace 0xb5104208 0x2000
23:45.21dcordes__<PROTECTED>
23:45.26dcordes__notice something?
23:45.38dcordes__ion the mmu the smd area is mapped twice
23:45.40cr2yes
23:45.41dcordes__this is what dzo said
23:45.46cr2ok
23:45.52dcordes__he told me to dump the other values now I got it ^^
23:45.59cr2the 0xb51* is traceable.
23:46.10cr2you can also try
23:46.35cr2addlist mmutrace 0x4a30c000
23:46.53cr2btw, what does addr2mod 0x4a30c000 say ?
23:46.55dcordes__what about size?
23:47.05cr20x1000
23:47.12dcordes__Unable to create tool help snapshot
23:47.23dcordes__<PROTECTED>
23:47.33cr2well, trace the whole megabyte
23:47.35cr2ok.
23:48.04cr2where is the 'lsmod' output ?
23:48.04dcordes__the 4a3* area has 4k sizes
23:48.17Kevin2I think it less likely that the arm6 mmu will prevent mmutrace from working.  However, not getting the correct map from "dump mmu" will be problematic - one might miss a virtual mapping and thus not trace it at all.
23:48.22dcordes__Small (4K)
23:48.33cr2hm. it's probably some virtual remap
23:48.46cr2Kevin2: the 0xb51* area is traceable.
23:49.00dcordes__why is the area mapped twice? and why does the one mapping have 4K and the other 1M?
23:49.03cr2Kevin2: we've tried to write there with 'vfw' yesterday
23:49.05dcordes__sizes
23:49.20cr2Kevin2: and 'wi' reported these writes.
23:49.42dcordes__shall I post the mmu dump again?
23:49.45cr2dcordes__: it's ioremap()'d by some dll.
23:49.49cr2no.
23:49.56dcordes__http://void.printf.net/~martin/kaiser-mmu.txt already there
23:50.17dcordes__I will try and trace 4a3* now
23:50.32dcordes__cr2: what is 4K size?
23:51.18cr2dcordes__: use 1MB size, it'll not hurt.
23:51.25dcordes__good
23:52.06dcordes__so 0x1000?
23:52.55dcordes__addlist mmutrace 0x4a30c000 0x1000 and I get the non-section warning
23:53.22dcordes__ignore?
23:53.50dcordes__02: Mapping 4a300000(@00041000) accesses to e1300000 (tbl 17a6ac01)
23:55.28cr2yes
23:56.58cr2ok, good night
23:57.18dcordes__night
23:57.50dcordes__hm what is 17a6ac01 now?

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