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| 02:35.52 | dzo | Any luck with the MSM SD driver yet, I would help but am real busy at work at the moment and also still trying to get the smd code to work better. Looks like I missed some, good chats with swetland and sanmehat, it's great they make the time to hang out here. Swetland has done awesome work on MSM, I can't believe how much code he has written (though documentation helps I guess!) |
| 02:37.55 | mistadman | dzo: Do you know anything about "Synchronous Serial Port" as it relates to the linux kernel? |
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| 02:40.15 | dzo | No, there is a config option for synchronous ttys, for special types of modemI guess. |
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| 07:39.47 | kiozen | lol, cr2 and C are not compatible :) |
| 07:39.57 | kiozen | reading the logs |
| 07:52.50 | BabelO_ | lol kiozen |
| 07:53.05 | kiozen | morning :) |
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| 08:45.50 | raph_ael | hi |
| 08:54.24 | BabelO_ | morning kiozen, i just read you mailing list, Qlandkarte is connected to google ? |
| 08:54.57 | cr2 | hi |
| 08:55.01 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes I use their search API |
| 08:55.06 | kiozen | hi cr2 |
| 08:55.45 | cr2 | kiozen: i can't include qt4 as a compilation requirement. i doubt it'll work on SX-6 or SX-8 :) |
| 08:57.02 | kiozen | cr2: I was just grinning about your pointer woes ;) |
| 08:58.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: but Googles search API is mediocre, try to find "Zugspitze" |
| 08:59.04 | cr2 | working with strings is not easy with C. |
| 09:00.17 | kiozen | cr2: hm, if you stick to the ANSI C api it's not that bad. |
| 09:00.51 | kiozen | cr2: and if you don't you just have to be diciplined |
| 09:01.34 | kiozen | cr2: but yes, simple script calls can be quite complicated in the backend :) |
| 09:51.50 | cr2 | kiozen: somebody had a stupid idea to start the split() arrays in awk with index 1 like in fortran. that's a real PITA. |
| 09:52.25 | kiozen | hehe, like Matlab et al |
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| 10:37.01 | Marex-jabber | great :) |
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| 10:37.35 | Marex | cr2, hi, have you found out anything in LD bootloader ? |
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| 13:23.39 | cr2 | kiozen: http://www.standishgroup.com/newsroom/open_source.php |
| 13:30.13 | kiozen | cr2: yes, yes, I feel guilty :) |
| 13:30.26 | cr2 | LOL |
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| 16:40.42 | dcordes | hi pH5 |
| 16:41.07 | pH5 | hi dcordes |
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| 16:41.32 | pH5 | any progress in htckaiser/OE land? |
| 16:41.47 | dcordes | pH5: no. I don't know what do with that |
| 16:42.40 | dcordes | no matter what kernel I select in htckaiser.conf, OE keeps building some linux-2.6.21 things with machine htckaiser |
| 16:42.44 | dcordes | other machines build fine |
| 16:43.59 | pH5 | it's the nokernel thing that doesn't work anymore. something depends on kernel modules or whatever the linux-2.6.21 recipe provides, but nokernel does not. |
| 16:44.25 | pH5 | just need to find out what that is, and I'm not sure how to do that without running through a whole build |
| 16:45.03 | pH5 | tries MACHINE="htckaiser" bitbake console-image -g |
| 16:45.04 | Raven_coda | hey dcordes, can I have youe email addr |
| 16:45.17 | Raven_coda | I have that patch ready to clean up all or work |
| 16:46.07 | dcordes | Raven_coda: query |
| 16:47.02 | Raven_coda | thx |
| 16:47.21 | dcordes | pH5: ok. strange that I get the same when I put linux-rp in kaiser.conf though |
| 16:47.44 | dcordes | maybe it's because I started the build with the different config before |
| 16:48.03 | dcordes | Raven_coda: did you hear something from marbalon? |
| 16:48.48 | Raven_coda | not yet |
| 16:49.03 | Raven_coda | I saw you talked to him in the logs |
| 16:55.16 | Raven_coda | k sent |
| 16:55.32 | Raven_coda | make sure you change MTYPE if default.txt |
| 17:00.05 | dcordes | dod you work with the 'universal' patch marbalon posted in the forums? |
| 17:00.14 | dcordes | s/dod/did/ |
| 17:03.00 | dcordes | I don't quite get why I should disable the keyboard init in board-kaiser.c if you included the keyboard driver |
| 17:04.10 | Raven_coda | well, the driver still needs to be register for it to work and if you just comment out that line the it never does |
| 17:05.43 | Raven_coda | what do you mean 'universal' patch |
| 17:05.58 | Raven_coda | I used the one from the Android/kaiser thread |
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| 17:39.07 | pH5 | dcordes: bitbake -g and grepping through the .dot files didn't turn up anything obvious. I'll try a complete kaiser build when I have some spare cpu time. |
| 17:39.18 | BabelO | hi |
| 17:39.27 | pH5 | hi BabelO |
| 17:39.45 | BabelO | pH5: good news, with an CID inlocked artemis, i got a new message when trying to boot from SD |
| 17:39.56 | pH5 | ooh |
| 17:39.58 | BabelO | it display a progress bar, and stop at half of it |
| 17:40.11 | pH5 | that's already more than I've ever seen |
| 17:40.14 | BabelO | and display checksum error, i hope it is not tooo har to solve |
| 17:41.21 | BabelO | so i need to found what is this checksum |
| 17:42.00 | pH5 | BabelO: could you do a short write-up of what you have done to get there? |
| 17:42.26 | pH5 | I need a non-SDHC microSD card, the one that came with the neo is already lost.. |
| 17:43.00 | BabelO | pH5: first CID unlocked artemis, then i dd if=20070906.img of=/dev/sdc then reboot artemis with record button + reset pressed |
| 17:43.14 | BabelO | i just replace with my kernel |
| 17:43.25 | BabelO | i ve to use mkbootimg maybe ;) |
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| 17:46.33 | pH5 | BabelO: but CID unlock happens from within wince, right? |
| 17:46.37 | pH5 | is out of luck again |
| 17:48.28 | BabelO | yes and no, it seem they upload something new |
| 17:48.43 | BabelO | pH5: but this sd card boot can be done without CID unlock |
| 17:50.35 | BabelO | pH5: if you want i can send my file used to unlock phone to you but keep it, it contain my IMEI... maybe you can found intresting thing, like SPL or IPL traces .. don't know |
| 17:51.45 | BabelO | ah ah i pass the checksum error now ;) |
| 17:52.21 | LunohoD | BabelO: how to boot from card without CID unlock? |
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| 17:53.31 | pH5 | BabelO: you're fast :) |
| 17:55.11 | pH5 | BabelO: the recipe to prepare the diag card is the same as for typhoon? |
| 17:56.06 | pH5 | I remember I never got the herald to recognize my card. It always showed "looking for SD card" or something like that on a white screen and then went on to the red/green/blue RUU bootloader screen |
| 17:56.15 | BabelO | pH5: i use the typhoon img, then use the three key we spoeak yesturday and recompile the whole and then use mkbootimg |
| 17:56.58 | BabelO | pH5: yes i have same before, but knowit seem with this eol package, the sd card signature is ok |
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| 18:02.06 | BabelO | pH5: losetup /dev/loop0 20070609.img then fdisk /dev/loop0 show me /dev/loop0p1 10 993 14268 1 FAT12, but i m not able to mount /dev/loop0p1 |
| 18:02.08 | BabelO | any idea ? |
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| 18:08.19 | pikapika | hi |
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| 18:08.59 | BabelO | pH5: now time to fix omapfb boot ;) because i still use omapfb on start, and if i remove it it cannot boot from wince |
| 18:09.13 | BabelO | now i get a black screen only when trying from sd |
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| 18:13.40 | rakeem | Hi folks.... |
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| 18:19.09 | pH5 | I guess I'll just assume that I made some stupid mistake earlier and buy another microsd tomorrow. |
| 18:19.34 | pH5 | BabelO: no idea about the loop mount. I never used a partitioned loop device. |
| 18:19.38 | pH5 | hi pikapika, rakeem |
| 18:20.00 | rakeem | Hey pH5... Long time.... |
| 18:20.12 | pikapika | hi pH5 |
| 18:20.25 | rakeem | BabelO -x- |
| 18:20.42 | rakeem | pikapikachootoo... |
| 18:23.13 | pikapika | :) |
| 18:23.46 | BabelO | hi pikapika |
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| 18:24.13 | pikapika | hi BabelO rakeem |
| 18:25.37 | BabelO | pH5: now i redo my sd card with a primary p1 partion type FAT 12 and the whole for secondary, not sure how wince can handle that |
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| 18:30.01 | cr2 | BabelO: not jump to ram boot in artemis ? |
| 18:30.37 | BabelO | cr2: can you detail what you mean by ram boot ? |
| 18:31.34 | BabelO | cr2: i simply try to color my screen into blue like ph5 learn me with his htc bootloader ;) |
| 18:31.35 | cr2 | load a blob into RAM and jump to it. |
| 18:32.22 | cr2 | we could not do it even on BA, although the seclev was ok. something else was broken |
| 18:33.09 | cr2 | on universal i don't even get the seclev, after reflashing the bootloader with 1.01 version instead of the old one. |
| 18:33.25 | cr2 | the old 0.60 could do jump to ram boot. |
| 18:33.34 | rakeem | Hi cr2... |
| 18:33.41 | BabelO | cr2: i simply try http://vivien.chappelier.free.fr/typhoon/doc.html |
| 18:33.55 | BabelO | cr2: ok |
| 18:35.40 | rakeem | What's the story with native boot on the Uni? As you say, vivien's work on the Whorenado allows fancy SD boot... Low-priority, evil-hard, or a bit of both? |
| 18:36.59 | BabelO | cr2: i need to redo the whole eol thing before ;) |
| 18:37.51 | rakeem | Could the EOL stuff apply to the Uni (and others) too? |
| 18:38.38 | cr2 | rakeem: 1. remove the hardcoded 64M limit 2. detect the DOC size 3. check why this codes reads the data from a different location than wince IPL |
| 18:43.50 | rakeem | Hardcoded? Real ROM, in the old fashioned sense? How about a really nasty CE image hack, kinda like splicing Haret in place of whatever CE wants to do first? Or do I need to get over my C64-era assumptions? |
| 18:47.53 | cr2 | 64M is hardcoded into the linux driver |
| 18:49.19 | rakeem | Ah, so it's easy then... ;-) |
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| 19:06.54 | cr2 | kiozen__: still alive ? |
| 19:10.07 | rakeem | Hey, cr2 have you seen the Shift in real life? |
| 19:11.15 | cr2 | no |
| 19:11.28 | cr2 | $$$$ |
| 19:11.47 | cr2 | i have a normal notebook |
| 19:15.09 | rakeem | I've already seen one second hand... And two Chinese dudes had one each in the bar downstairs from my flat (turns out they make the third-party, chunky batteries for HTC toys). I've gotta say man, it's fucking ugly. Win CE at that size is just wrong. |
| 19:15.33 | rakeem | Excuse my French... |
| 19:16.43 | cr2 | lol |
| 19:18.11 | rakeem | Hey, there's loads of eeEeePC clones flooding the shops now too... Seriously cheap: My (latest) Uni cost HK$2000 (US$250), and these things ship with Ubuntu for HK$3000... |
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| 19:19.36 | cr2 | but they don't have phone |
| 19:20.10 | cr2 | if the HK$ hardlinked to the US$ ? |
| 19:21.27 | cr2 | hmm. found one more bug. clean C programming has its costs :) |
| 19:21.56 | cr2 | awk simply does not mind such minore issues. |
| 19:22.50 | rakeem | HK$ is pegged @ 7.78 to the greenback, but I can see them dropping it if the yanks keep allowing their masters to pimp it to death. As for the phone; certainly, but I see them as a new breed, I kind of imagine them as OpenWRT boxes pumped up, with display. |
| 19:24.33 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:24.50 | cr2 | what is the eepc standby time ? |
| 19:24.59 | rakeem | Heh... Just going through the logs from a couple of days back... Long lost geek reunion after 10 years! This is a cuddly channel... |
| 19:25.13 | cr2 | bigger lcd == more current. |
| 19:25.53 | rakeem | Standby? I thought we'd established that it isn't a phone.. ;-) 'Bout 3.5 hrs use the guy reckons... |
| 19:26.45 | rakeem | I tried running a Fonera router on 4 AAs... I got about 45 mins... |
| 19:29.32 | rakeem | cr2: "first they don't let you use 'goto', then they create java"... Hehe... |
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| 19:31.09 | cr2 | yyes. C is the right abstraction level for the hardware. |
| 19:31.53 | rakeem | Nicely put. |
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| 19:33.28 | rakeem | cr2: So the Kaiser's making progress again? Any thoughts...? |
| 19:37.16 | cr2 | yes, but there are some differences to msm7500 |
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| 19:39.28 | pikapika | rakeem: you live in honk kong ? |
| 19:39.49 | rakeem | Just googled msm7500 and the cheeky fucks have the audacity to spray press releases claiming it "breaks barriers". WHERE"S THE MANUAL THEN???!!! Pricks. |
| 19:45.18 | dcordes | rakeem, looks like qualcomm has a different view of breaking barriers than you ;P |
| 19:45.32 | dcordes | there is big progress regarding the msm htcs though |
| 19:47.32 | cr2 | dcordes: why doesnt arm9 let to access the "ATI hardware" ? |
| 19:49.53 | rakeem | It's the audacity... Like my mate who worked as a senior PR whore for M$ Mobiles Asia. At a time when I already owned a Uni and Whorenado he told me to check out the Treo... It was the casuality with which he replied to my question "where's the wifi?"... "Ah, Vodafone asked us to take it out..." Not even a glimmer... |
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| 19:57.42 | dcordes | cr2, sorry I'm not sure what you mean |
| 20:04.23 | cr2 | Originally Posted by dzo |
| 20:04.23 | cr2 | For accelerated video, the ARM9 code has to let the ARM11 see the ATI Hardware which it doesn't at the moment. |
| 20:06.01 | Raven_coda | cr2, if you knew the answer to that I beleive you could be $7000 richer |
| 20:06.04 | cr2 | pof: i have a question about the amibios |
| 20:06.34 | dcordes | cr2, no idea |
| 20:06.42 | cr2 | Raven_coda: htc said there is no ATI hardware in msm7x00. wtf ? |
| 20:06.59 | dcordes | cr2, maybe that behaviour is different on kaiser vs vogue |
| 20:06.59 | Raven_coda | when did they say such lies? |
| 20:07.15 | cr2 | need to grep through the logs |
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| 20:07.52 | dcordes | Raven_coda, there is an official stateman regarding the public complaints from phone owners. they say it in that paper |
| 20:08.26 | dcordes | and that it's not the purpose of their office devices to use accerlated video |
| 20:09.03 | cr2 | any c++ gods around ? |
| 20:09.08 | cr2 | 359 out[count] = static_cast<char*>(calloc((i-s+1),sizeof(char))); |
| 20:09.08 | cr2 | (gdb) print count |
| 20:09.09 | cr2 | $1 = <value optimized out> |
| 20:13.01 | cr2 | Raven_coda: even if some accel hw is there, it's not for qvga/vga |
| 20:13.44 | Raven_coda | huh, so all this time... ATI stuff is hub bub.. |
| 20:15.04 | cr2 | Raven_coda: can't find it, but it was an official statement from htc |
| 20:15.13 | cr2 | on their site. |
| 20:15.37 | cr2 | the real ati stuff is on athena/hermes/trinity |
| 20:19.31 | rakeem | This is all wrong. It's our money, yet it requires hunting in dark corners of IRC-space, to begin to find out what we've purchased. When we geeks decide to arm ourselves they'll understand.... AND REPENT. |
| 20:19.55 | Raven_coda | AMEN |
| 20:20.00 | dcordes | :) |
| 20:20.01 | dcordes | brb |
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| 20:32.27 | cr2 | rakeem: have a good laugh http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=386974 |
| 20:36.41 | rakeem | Poor, benighted young lad.... Maybe someone should build regedit for Qtopia to make him feel at home... |
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| 20:37.34 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:38.14 | cr2 | but i think oowriter is the spawn of devil too :) |
| 20:38.42 | cr2 | i wanted to answer that pocket word is a good latex editor too. |
| 20:39.48 | rakeem | Maybe just a hires photo of my shopping list in Abiword on the Uni... |
| 20:41.22 | cr2 | yeah, abiword can save to .tex |
| 20:41.42 | cr2 | but it does some weird things in the process |
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| 20:46.04 | rakeem | Yet humourous as it may be, it serves only to highlight how absolute the cartels' stranglehold on the technology is. Booting linux isn't even considered. |
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| 20:50.24 | rakeem | Oh yeah, right outside my front door is a huge classy-glassy office building which houses a disproportionate number of tech firms (I seem to remember Analog Devices, Lucent, IBM etc.) if I list the tenants on this channel, and we find them guilty of being pricks, I'll be happy to pop across and deliver any messages personally. Are we into such behaviour here? |
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| 21:17.54 | dcordes | dt |
| 21:18.11 | dcordes | dzo, did you look at SD on vogue yet? |
| 21:19.39 | dcordes | cr2, did I tell you about my sd findings on kaiser? |
| 21:20.33 | Raven_coda | what did you find dcordes? |
| 21:21.15 | cr2 | dcordes: no |
| 21:22.05 | dcordes | Raven_coda, SD drivers is initialized with a few register patches and you need to put the sd init from board-msm to board-vogue (or kaiser..) |
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| 21:22.19 | dcordes | but it looks like there is no response from the SD controller |
| 21:22.40 | dcordes | mmc just sends a row of commands and looks to me like there is no reply |
| 21:22.50 | Raven_coda | board-msm? do you mean board-halibut? |
| 21:22.55 | dcordes | right |
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| 21:26.42 | dcordes | cr2, irq_svct do_softirq mmc_wait_for_req mmc_wait_for_cmd mmc_send_relative_addr mmc_aatach_dio mmc_rescan run_workqeue worker_tthread kthread mmc0: error -84 whilst initialising SDIO card |
| 21:26.54 | dcordes | something like that is shown during boot with SD enabled |
| 21:27.07 | dcordes | with a lot of addresses in between |
| 21:28.03 | dcordes | I wasn't able to see the whole log yet because of lack of working keyboard source |
| 21:28.17 | dcordes | Raven_coda, will try your keyboard patch later+sd |
| 21:28.30 | Raven_coda | no, my patch doesn't fix keyboard |
| 21:29.05 | dcordes | will have to wait for marbalon then |
| 21:29.10 | Raven_coda | it just leaves it in, so I guess if you wanted to wait 10 min between each key it would work... |
| 21:29.15 | dcordes | hope he will show us his code tomorrow |
| 21:29.18 | Raven_coda | yeh |
| 21:29.35 | Raven_coda | that's a real killer not having the keyboard |
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| 21:29.47 | dcordes | ah right I observed the delay thing. but it didn't print the key after 10 minutes :) |
| 21:30.09 | dcordes | Raven_coda, marbalon said it wouldn't work anymore because the source changed since he made it |
| 21:30.16 | dcordes | s/it/the diff/ |
| 21:30.27 | dcordes | haha :) |
| 21:30.51 | Raven_coda | I couldn't get his code to work at any point in the repo |
| 21:31.21 | Raven_coda | anyway, I hope he has it done soon too |
| 21:31.22 | dcordes | you don't have his email, do you? |
| 21:31.27 | Raven_coda | nada |
| 21:31.43 | dcordes | ok |
| 21:32.09 | dcordes | cr2, do those messages reveal anything? |
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| 21:59.15 | mistadman | Hey cr2. Are you alive? |
| 22:00.48 | cr2 | yes |
| 22:08.37 | dcordes | cr2, did you see the sd output I get? |
| 22:08.48 | cr2 | yes |
| 22:09.10 | cr2 | dcordes: i think we need a better understanding of the gpio settings. |
| 22:09.26 | cr2 | i do have some ideas, but don't have time to check them. |
| 22:09.38 | dcordes | maybe I can? |
| 22:10.44 | cr2 | it requires digging through the spl disassembly |
| 22:11.24 | cr2 | and comparing the 4 parameter gpio function with the android source |
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| 22:23.33 | mistadman | I need your help cr2. |
| 22:24.08 | mistadman | I am trying to get my keyboard working on the Athena |
| 22:24.20 | mistadman | I took the asic3 driver from the hermes and modified it. |
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| 22:25.42 | cr2 | mistadman: asic3 has nothing to do with hermes or athena |
| 22:25.55 | dcordes | cr2, sounds nontrivial to me |
| 22:26.15 | dcordes | maybe I can compare things but I have never seen disassembly code |
| 22:27.23 | mistadman | All I need is the GPIO driver? |
| 22:29.40 | mistadman | cr2, can you tell me where I can find some good references for embedded programing? |
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| 23:58.03 | dzo | Hi dcordes, are you still having stability problems with kaiser. |