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| 00:14.35 | _who | Funklord: tja |
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| 00:51.27 | Funklord | _who: tjenare |
| 00:52.03 | Funklord | _who: läget då? |
| 00:53.03 | _who | Funklord: jorå, själv? |
| 00:54.02 | Funklord | lugnt.. sitter o kodar |
| 00:54.17 | Funklord | vad gör du här? |
| 00:55.01 | Funklord | _who: |
| 00:55.26 | _who | har en htc-telefon, och vill köra linux på den så ;-) |
| 00:55.28 | _who | själv? |
| 01:00.32 | Funklord | hehe |
| 01:00.50 | Funklord | vilken htc? |
| 01:01.10 | Funklord | jag har varit här ganska länge, använder ingen htc längre |
| 01:01.58 | _who | hermes |
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| 06:44.46 | Kevin2 | ~pong dcordes |
| 06:44.49 | apt | dcordes: PONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:17.37 | dcordes_ | cr2: do you have the pdf with msm7200 layout somewhere? |
| 11:17.48 | dcordes_ | Kevin2: still there? |
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| 11:18.06 | zyxell | hi all |
| 11:21.32 | dcordes_ | cr2: marbalon states he has all kaiser keys working except of the arrow keys looking up how it is done on the halibut keyboard. on irq page I found that I didn't get the same irq on arrow key press. Can you give a hint here? |
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| 11:31.43 | espskog | hi |
| 11:32.40 | espskog | Does WPA2-TSK excryption work in OPIE 2.6.21-hh20 on HTC Universal or do I have to use WEP or none encryption on my wlan router to get it working ? |
| 11:33.02 | BabelO | espskog:current acx driver only support WEP |
| 11:34.30 | espskog | Thanks BabelO for the info. Do you know if the last release of Angstrom with OPIE 1.2.3 has better stability when using wlan0 ? Tried this a year ago and it always rebootet back to wince after an hour or two. Very uncool :) |
| 11:36.42 | BabelO | espskog: don't know about opie, but latest universal kernel have some imlprovement for battery life, you can try Qtopia image |
| 11:39.04 | zyxell | dcordes_: this is great news :) |
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| 11:43.45 | dcordes_ | I wish I could try it out as soon as he release the source / image but dzo stuff doesn't boot for me anymore n'either does my self built zImage boot |
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| 15:07.01 | Kevin2 | dcordes_: Hi. |
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| 16:30.08 | cr2 | hi |
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| 16:41.05 | cr2 | BabelO: http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp |
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| 16:55.15 | BabelO | cr2: http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp/wiki/CompatibilityList |
| 16:55.23 | BabelO | i ll try it tomorrow |
| 16:56.01 | cr2 | HP iPAQ 514 ? |
| 16:56.20 | cr2 | i'll ask him about GPL |
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| 17:29.03 | cr2 | BabelO: there was a kiconedit program in KDE, but i don't see it anymore. do you know more ? |
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| 17:40.17 | cr2 | tsdogs: are you a wince opensource fan ? :) |
| 17:40.33 | tsdogs | cr2: not really... |
| 17:40.48 | tsdogs | but that site for looking for free .img files is nice |
| 17:40.56 | cr2 | here is a link for you |
| 17:40.59 | cr2 | http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp |
| 17:41.21 | tsdogs | yeah I've seen it, btw I have kiconedit installed :) |
| 17:41.38 | cr2 | strange that i don#t have it. |
| 17:42.06 | tsdogs | kdegraphics-3.5.9-1. |
| 17:42.27 | cr2 | so, so it's not in the default install |
| 17:42.40 | tsdogs | dunno about suse ... |
| 17:42.49 | tsdogs | it's not a core app |
| 17:43.53 | cr2 | but there are no other apps to deal with the .ico files |
| 17:44.10 | cr2 | ico2png maybe. |
| 17:44.18 | cr2 | but not png2ico |
| 17:44.46 | tsdogs | hmm |
| 17:46.31 | tsdogs | lol, kiconedit can use many formats, png is preferred :) |
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| 17:54.29 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've thought about the turn restrictions, and came to a conclusion that it's a bad idea to include them into .rdm |
| 17:55.53 | tsdogs | cr2: I think we should go with something like the editor is doing, having a different "db" for navigation |
| 17:56.25 | tsdogs | or maybe port part of the code to the mainline... |
| 17:56.36 | tsdogs | I think Paul would apreciate it :) |
| 17:58.28 | cr2 | tsdogs: afair turn restrictions are added into .rdm in _editor |
| 17:58.45 | cr2 | because the .dgl is not supporting them. |
| 17:59.12 | tsdogs | hmm, ok but I'd keep those info apart. |
| 17:59.26 | tsdogs | cr2: what does the dgl contain then? |
| 17:59.51 | cr2 | direct graph library |
| 18:00.25 | cr2 | routing nodes, arcs, costs. |
| 18:01.04 | cr2 | i think i've added a .dgl reading and writing tool in our copy of _editor |
| 18:01.38 | tsdogs | cr2: could be, as you converted a few maps there |
| 18:01.58 | cr2 | yes, and they even work :) |
| 18:02.08 | tsdogs | :) |
| 18:02.22 | cr2 | but the number of layers is limited there. |
| 18:02.38 | tsdogs | actually the mainline loads some data from our version of the map too |
| 18:02.55 | cr2 | which one ? |
| 18:03.21 | tsdogs | cr2: that's probably the advantage on porting the editor code to mainline, and maybe keeping the edited info in a separated file... |
| 18:03.30 | tsdogs | cr2: I think I have oslo. |
| 18:04.04 | cr2 | the "editing" part is self-contained. |
| 18:04.47 | tsdogs | that's why probably porting needs only a few hooks in mainline code, so we could start from there ... |
| 18:05.33 | tsdogs | I think it's all in the plugin, it only added a few plugin callbacks and maybe changed some function parameters |
| 18:07.24 | cr2 | ok |
| 18:14.10 | cr2 | Intel® Wants to Hear from You |
| 18:14.31 | tsdogs | ;) |
| 18:14.55 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:14.55 | cr2 | first 200 people to complete and |
| 18:14.55 | cr2 | submit the survey will receive a |
| 18:14.55 | cr2 | 5 USD gift certificate from |
| 18:14.56 | cr2 | Amazon.com? |
| 18:15.22 | cr2 | hehe :) spam from intel |
| 18:17.27 | tsdogs | bbl |
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| 19:13.17 | zyxell | hi marbalon, how progresses with the keyboard ? :) |
| 19:14.11 | marbalon | zyxell: no, still have a problem with Fn + other keys and navi keys |
| 19:14.37 | zyxell | mhm |
| 19:14.51 | zyxell | moze dalbys potestopwac :D |
| 19:15.09 | marbalon | spoko |
| 19:15.11 | marbalon | '_ |
| 19:15.13 | marbalon | ;) |
| 19:15.57 | zyxell | priv |
| 19:16.17 | zyxell | bo zabawa translatorem mnie meczy ;D |
| 19:17.27 | marbalon | gg ? 7666407 |
| 19:17.31 | zyxell | ok |
| 19:20.33 | cr2 | BabelO: still here ? |
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| 21:42.24 | espskog | anyone here who can tell me why wlan0 keeps dropping its connection when i do heavy datatransfer (e.g. scp a mp3 file from my server to the htc) ? |
| 21:42.41 | cr2 | espskog: buggy driver ? |
| 21:42.43 | espskog | I have to do a ifconfig wlan0 down+up to get it back on net |
| 21:43.09 | espskog | i dunno, i have used angstrom-x11, angstrom-opie and both has same problem. |
| 21:43.31 | espskog | when i did ifdown usb0 it was much better but still froze after 2-3megabytes transferred |
| 21:44.04 | cr2 | espskog: it's a kernel driver problem, and has nothing to do with the usespace gui stuff. |
| 21:44.20 | espskog | i have tried with kernels 2.6.21-hh14 and hh20 and both has same problem (using internal acx driver) |
| 21:44.50 | espskog | it is very annoying as I cannot use the universal as a webserver now :) |
| 21:44.51 | cr2 | i think we use 0.3.36 version, BabelO did some testing with a newer versions, but i think they had different problems too. |
| 21:45.00 | cr2 | lol |
| 21:45.22 | espskog | how do i tell which version of acx i use ? |
| 21:45.47 | cr2 | you can't count on the supported sdio wifi cards too, because asic3_mmc does not support sdio. yet. |
| 21:45.53 | cr2 | dmesg output |
| 21:46.09 | espskog | i use internal wifi, not a sdio-wifi card |
| 21:46.20 | cr2 | yes, i know :) |
| 21:46.41 | cr2 | because you can't use sdio-wifi on universal :) |
| 21:48.25 | espskog | :) |
| 21:49.46 | espskog | if i want to install a c compiler on my universal, which one is best to use ? I want to be able to use gcc or similar. |
| 21:50.06 | cr2 | get one from angstrom feed |
| 21:50.32 | espskog | codesourcery.com --- will this one work maybe ? i did not find one at angstrom though. |
| 21:50.34 | cr2 | btw, do you run universal at 624MHz ? |
| 21:50.54 | espskog | erm...i run it at whatever it noramlly runs at :)))) |
| 21:50.56 | cr2 | it's a crosscompiler there. you want a native compiler |
| 21:51.07 | cr2 | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:51.42 | espskog | do angstrom provide native compiler to be installed directly onto the universal itself ? |
| 21:51.43 | cr2 | i guess it may be unsafe to run a wifi webserver on the universal at 624MHz. it may simply overheat. |
| 21:52.06 | espskog | cpuinfo does not say... |
| 21:52.08 | cr2 | espskog: yes. all angstrom packages are native arm-gnueabi binaries |
| 21:52.12 | espskog | yes it is fu.... hot. |
| 21:52.43 | espskog | maybe clock it down to 500 would do the trick ? |
| 21:52.58 | cr2 | check the performance. |
| 21:53.13 | espskog | It says 621 bogomips but i think it is something else than the mhz :) |
| 21:53.15 | cr2 | i think it's possible to run from 104 to 624 |
| 21:53.25 | dcordes | espskog: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=task-openmoko-native-sdk check Depends there. everything you need for different architectures |
| 21:53.25 | cr2 | wince uses 520 |
| 21:54.47 | cr2 | dcordes: no gcc-4.3 ? |
| 21:54.50 | espskog | is it possible to force it down to 520 in angstrom ? |
| 21:55.07 | cr2 | espskog: it's the usual cpufreq config. |
| 21:55.22 | dcordes | cr2: not in the angstrom feed |
| 21:56.31 | dcordes | espskog: what kind of tasks do you run on uni? |
| 21:59.02 | espskog | dcordes: at the moment just whatever came with the angstrom-x11 rootimage. |
| 21:59.23 | espskog | dcordes: i have struggled with the buggy stability on the wlan0 the whole day. |
| 21:59.32 | cr2 | espskog: you may run munin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munin_(Network_Monitoring_Application) |
| 22:00.00 | cr2 | don't know if it supports the battery voltage/current/temperature, but it'd be relatively easy to add. |
| 22:00.50 | dcordes | espskog: you could try mac80211 acx100 driver. don't know whether that helps or not |
| 22:01.09 | espskog | i will. |
| 22:01.20 | cr2 | i don't remember if we compile the cpu voltage control driver on universal. |
| 22:01.38 | espskog | is it bundlet in the kernel or must i get that module externally ? |
| 22:01.55 | cr2 | espskog: check in the .config |
| 22:02.12 | espskog | maybe there exist a root-image which is already pre-installed with compilers and "all" you need ? |
| 22:02.12 | cr2 | max15xx driver |
| 22:02.22 | espskog | cr2: will check |
| 22:02.34 | cr2 | people have different needs. |
| 22:02.42 | espskog | hehe... |
| 22:03.25 | cr2 | but using universal as such monitoring 'access point' is an interesting application. |
| 22:03.30 | espskog | ok, a "full" install of the linux distro with compilers and "all" possible binaries and libs then. So that i do no thave to get stuff from the net (since its wlan0 is so buggy) |
| 22:03.53 | dcordes | espskog: setup openembedded and configure it to build and package task-sdk-native or so into your image ;) |
| 22:04.10 | cr2 | get a big SD card, and install the packages you need from the angstrom feed. |
| 22:04.11 | dcordes | you can also wget also the packages in the url I gave you and install them with ipkg install * |
| 22:05.20 | dcordes | s/also the/all the/ |
| 22:05.27 | espskog | ipkg works in the same manner as apt-get in ubuntu ? |
| 22:05.45 | dcordes | no it's slightly different. more simple |
| 22:07.26 | dcordes | espskog: before you download the stuff manually check ipkg update && ipkg install whatever |
| 22:07.48 | dcordes | don't know what feeds you have configured in your image though |
| 22:09.13 | espskog | kewl. it worked...(ipkg install screen) |
| 22:09.28 | espskog | can i install c compiler this way too ? (ipkg install gcc) ?? |
| 22:11.58 | cr2 | espskog: i guess it'll have some dependencies |
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| 22:12.38 | dcordes | how to disable auto correction in winblob mobile word? |
| 22:13.01 | dcordes | espskog: I would just try |
| 22:14.59 | espskog | would you recommend opie or x11 or anything else from the Ångström site ? I want to be able to run my universal as close to a "normal" PC linux-server as I can (with possibility to run apache2, sshd, ftpd+++) |
| 22:15.34 | espskog | opie is pretty, but in the end, i guess on shell-level it does not matter hwether i run the x11, opie or qtopia editions... |
| 22:16.31 | cr2 | espskog: run angstrom-console |
| 22:16.36 | cr2 | image |
| 22:16.38 | dcordes | espskog: in case you are looking for console only image I would yes |
| 22:16.52 | espskog | ..plain terminal and no X ? |
| 22:16.56 | dcordes | in case of shiny UI I use to recommend poky interface :) |
| 22:17.26 | cr2 | dcordes: does it support the phone ? |
| 22:17.41 | espskog | whats poodle ? the latest kernal is ...23 ...worth a try ? |
| 22:18.00 | cr2 | poodle is a zaurus |
| 22:18.05 | cr2 | model |
| 22:18.10 | espskog | i see... |
| 22:18.22 | dcordes | cr2: no idea. I just seen uni builds on ohand poky host |
| 22:18.23 | espskog | nice old model :) |
| 22:18.56 | cr2 | the kernel used by poky is 2.6.23 patched by an old hh.org snapshot |
| 22:19.16 | cr2 | so it's not really a "newer" version. |
| 22:19.22 | espskog | ok |
| 22:19.40 | espskog | 2.6.21 is the newst for universal ...right? |
| 22:19.57 | dcordes | cr2: you think we could host a fork of msm git on git.linuxtogo.org ? |
| 22:20.00 | cr2 | hh.org CVS is the "real" version |
| 22:20.15 | dcordes | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695&page=13 dzo picked up the question where to realize the patching |
| 22:20.23 | cr2 | dcordes: why it's a fork ? |
| 22:20.50 | dcordes | sorry if that's the wrong term. just a place where to put the kernel with our patches |
| 22:20.54 | dcordes | for the htcs |
| 22:22.15 | cr2 | dcordes: i don't get this with the buttons. has somebody traced the cpld ? |
| 22:23.04 | dcordes | cr2: marbalon is not so verbose :) |
| 22:23.17 | dcordes | he just said he looked at halibut driver |
| 22:24.50 | cr2 | dcordes: if you still have the kaiser you can do it too :) |
| 22:25.11 | cr2 | halibut driver is not helpful with the cpld anyway. |
| 22:25.43 | dcordes | cr2: what do you mean doing it? have the arrow keys working also? |
| 22:27.58 | cr2 | no, trace the CPLD activity |
| 22:28.15 | cr2 | is the kaiser CPLD write-only ? |
| 22:28.25 | cr2 | well, use mmutrace anyway. |
| 22:30.01 | dcordes | cr2: right now I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with haret/dzos images. maybe you noticed my report about it only working sometimes |
| 22:30.30 | dcordes | it's very mysterious. I did what dzo said and put set FBDURINGBOOT 0 |
| 22:30.48 | Kevin2 | It would be nice if dzo would send a patch to haret mailing list. |
| 22:32.34 | dcordes | Kevin2: iirc he said something about the patches not being required anymore. there was a patch on his server |
| 22:34.15 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Okay. |
| 22:34.23 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Do you have msm7200 or msm7500? |
| 22:34.32 | cr2 | Kevin2: i didn't check the latest CVS yet. can you add a stub for the sirf atlas cpu ? |
| 22:35.36 | Kevin2 | cr2: Sure, but how do I detect it? |
| 22:35.42 | cr2 | Kevin2: i've also began to document the wince ati sd driver. |
| 22:36.10 | cr2 | cpu=arm926ej vendor=centrality |
| 22:36.57 | cr2 | Wince reports processor: core=ARM926EJ name=AT643D-XAC cat= vend=Centrality |
| 22:37.31 | Kevin2 | Current code only scans by core or name, not vendor. |
| 22:37.43 | Kevin2 | Is the name field sufficient to find this processor? |
| 22:38.28 | dcordes | Kevin2: I have the kaiser with msm7200 - did you read the xda forum? |
| 22:38.40 | dcordes | we have some problems there with taking over |
| 22:39.02 | Kevin2 | dcordes: No, I haven't read xda - do you have a link? |
| 22:39.14 | dcordes | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695&page=13 |
| 22:40.01 | cr2 | Kevin2: i think yes. since nobody is interested/has other AT64x cpus (atlas2 and titan) |
| 22:40.11 | dcordes | basically booting this zImage with initrd http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ sometimes works and sometimes doesn't and I can identify the circumstances which lead to this situation |
| 22:40.17 | cr2 | Kevin2: here are the gpio details http://www.spinics.net/lists/arm-kernel/msg44757.html |
| 22:40.34 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Can you download http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20080412.exe -- I think latest one may no longer autodetect the 7200. |
| 22:40.38 | dcordes | Kevin2: can't identify sorry. just see the forum |
| 22:40.44 | cr2 | the 'tn2x0bd' is the 'titan' cpu. |
| 22:41.05 | dcordes | Kevin2: I used the haret which was provided by dzo on the massey website (when it worked) now I do the same and it doesn't |
| 22:41.50 | dcordes | other people experience the same. you see wince freeze at 100% of haret loading bar and then sometimes it boots |
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| 22:46.24 | dcordes | Kevin2: any idea? It's so odd. seems just random |
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| 22:51.08 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Sorry, I don't have any idea. Usually, these types of random hangs happen when one doesn't properly shut down dma. Another explanation is a bad flush cache function (though I think we have arm6 flush working). |
| 22:53.38 | dcordes | Kevin2: I asked dzo if he can provide the haret ml with the patches. he gives an insight on how he realized booting on this website http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 22:57.58 | Kevin2 | cr2: What devices have those cpus? |
| 22:58.32 | cr2 | Kevin2: i have this one http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GoPalP4225 |
| 22:58.48 | cr2 | but there are some others. |
| 22:59.03 | cr2 | i think there is even some ipaq line using these cpus. |
| 22:59.06 | cr2 | i'll check |
| 23:00.18 | cr2 | Kevin2: HP iPAQ 300 Travel Companion |
| 23:00.41 | dcordes | cr2: set RAMSIZE 0x07800000 is that correct for kaiser with 128mb? |
| 23:01.17 | cr2 | http://wapedia.mobi/en/IPAQ?t=2.19.#2.25. |
| 23:01.34 | cr2 | dcordes: 128MB is 0x08000000 |
| 23:01.44 | cr2 | dcordes: but you can set any smaller value |
| 23:03.15 | Kevin2 | cr2: With latest cvs - does it get detected as a "generic arm 926" machine? |
| 23:03.26 | cr2 | Kevin2: i'll check. |
| 23:06.08 | cr2 | Kevin2: it says 'please set start of ram" at boot |
| 23:06.30 | cr2 | yes, found machine generic arm 926 |
| 23:07.17 | cr2 | i can't telnet over usb ip. because there is no ip, and it uses serial over usb. |
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| 23:07.59 | Kevin2 | Okay - call this new arch "centrality"? |
| 23:08.10 | cr2 | the ram on these centrality/sirf cpus is at 0xc0000000, like on the sa11x0 |
| 23:08.17 | cr2 | hmm, yes. |
| 23:08.50 | Kevin2 | Is Centrality the name of the company that makes them? |
| 23:09.13 | cr2 | yes, but it was bought by sirf recently. |
| 23:09.56 | dcordes | Kevin2: I get a delay of like 6 seconds after I press the Run button. is that normal? |
| 23:10.14 | cr2 | http://www.centralitycomm.com/ |
| 23:10.57 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Most delay when booting linux is time to read kernel/initrd. If you have a really large initrd, a 6 second delay can happen. |
| 23:11.03 | cr2 | http://www.centralitycomm.com/centralitynav/Home/Solutions/Overview.html |
| 23:11.52 | Kevin2 | cr2: Hrmm. Can I call it arch-sirf then? |
| 23:13.34 | cr2 | sirf2/sirf3 used arm7tdmi cpu, which is completely different. |
| 23:13.55 | cr2 | also a soc using the arm7tdmi. |
| 23:14.44 | Kevin2 | How about arch-atlas then? |
| 23:14.44 | cr2 | in the linux kernel patch the 'centrality-titan' cpu is called tn2x0bd |
| 23:15.08 | cr2 | there are 3 known cpus. atlas2, atlas3 and titan. |
| 23:15.21 | cr2 | ok, let's start with atlas. |
| 23:20.19 | Kevin2 | cr2: Okay - it's in cvs tip. Let me know if it works. |
| 23:20.46 | cr2 | thanks. compiling. |
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| 23:26.18 | cr2 | Kevin2: ok, it works. |
| 23:26.38 | dcordes | Raven_coda: are you around? |
| 23:27.23 | cr2 | Kevin2: but 'listen for a connection' does not make much sense on this device. how one can use it ? |
| 23:28.13 | cr2 | there is no wifi, no bluetooth. only activesync over usb-serial |
| 23:28.37 | cr2 | i get the usual CLIENTCLIENT stuff on /dev/ttyUSB0 when i connect it to the notebook. |
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| 23:34.04 | Kevin2 | cr2: Doesn't activesync bring up an ip connection? If so, you should be able to telnet in. |
| 23:36.09 | cr2 | Kevin2: i don't see anything in windows. |
| 23:37.00 | cr2 | need to compile synce on linux... |
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