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00:56.50mib_ydcq90how would I find out if the kaiser touch screen is i2c or not?
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07:27.48BabelO_morning
07:29.59Marex-louiseBabelO_: hi
07:30.12BabelO_Marex-louise: how is wired your pcmcia ? is there a wifi on it ? ;)
07:45.59Marex-louiseBabelO_: yea, wifi from marvell
07:46.14Marex-louiseno docs to it and it's pretty hard to reverse engineer on palmos
07:46.33Marex-louiseI managed to load firmware into it, looks like marvell doesnt change this patch way too often
07:46.42Marex-louises/patch/part/
07:47.04Marex-louisebut anyway, I havent gotten any further since it hanged when I tried some more commands
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14:09.36Marex-louisecr2: hi ;-)
14:09.47Marex-louisecr2: I still havent solved those issues with opie on palmtt5
14:13.03cr2ok
14:15.02Marex-louisebut I have no idea what to do with it
14:15.19Marex-louiseit works perfectly on palmld and I have no idea whether it's bug in opie or in kernel
14:15.31Marex-louisedoesnt seems to be kernel bug though
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14:24.02cr2Marex-louise: opie does not support the phone, and is not really source-compatible with qt2/3. so it's dead for me.
14:24.19cr2BabelO: uwire is spi ?
14:27.48Marex-louisecr2: and gpe is bloated and slow :/
14:28.12Marex-louiseand it uses gtk so I dont like it much, I like opie more
14:28.26Marex-louisethat's just my personal prefference though
14:32.32cr2Marex-louise: i use qtopia
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14:33.27cr2because it has phone support, and we have nice gps programs for it.
14:33.42cr2which are portable.
14:37.38Marex-louisecr2: the one based on qt2 ?
14:39.36cr2qt4
14:45.48Marex-louisehmm ... some of us still have 32 and less megs of ram, you know ...
14:47.15cr2hima/ba have 128, the most wince5 devices have 64
14:47.26cr2even my old sl5500 has 64
14:47.35Marex-louisemy old palmz71 has 16
14:47.39Marex-louisemost palms has 32
14:47.42cr2with its 208MHz sa1110
14:48.09cr2ok.
14:53.55BabelO_Marex-louise: qoptia is ok with 32Mb too, really fast
14:54.08BabelO_cr2: yes uwire is referenced under spi.x device
14:54.24Marex-louisecr2: hm, you mean that opie2 thing ?
14:54.30BabelO_on omap it look same but faster, diff is written in an omap doc
14:54.33Marex-louise(or something similar)
14:57.00cr2BabelO_: ok. i was looking at sirf
14:57.36cr2BabelO_: i've found an old backup of my home from 2004
14:57.55cr2there are a lot of interesting things there
14:58.05cr2which were lost later
14:58.07BabelO_cr2: on omap850 ts is connect on mcspi which is mcspi bus
14:58.29cr2BabelO_: the docs say 'uwire'
14:58.43cr2and it's arm7tdmi cpu
14:59.33cr2hmm. i think there should be linux for arm7tdmi
15:04.26Raven_codaIf the arrow keys don't change any gpios or irq then how else could they work?
15:04.41Raven_codaCould HaRET just not see it?
15:07.30cr2Raven_coda: on which machine ?
15:07.36Raven_codakaiser
15:08.01Raven_codacr2: I know that's not what you wanted to hear
15:08.10cr2Raven_coda: the kaiser buttons are documented
15:08.27Raven_codareally? where
15:09.02cr2http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_GPIO
15:09.44Raven_codabut the arrow keys aren't included
15:09.44cr2it looks like a matrix keyboard controller. on pxa
15:09.56cr2trace the CPLD
15:10.09Raven_codayeah, I'm trying to model after the halibut board
15:10.12cr2http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_CPLD
15:10.21Raven_codaunless you know of a better fitting keyboard driver
15:11.44Raven_codaI just noticed that for all the other keyboard keys those gpios move but for the arrow keys none of them do
15:12.31Raven_codaI'm still very green and thought doing the keyboard may just be a small enough job that I could handle
15:23.17cr2Raven_coda: please check if CPLD gpios change.
15:23.54cr2Raven_coda: the keys on blueangel are also split between the tsc2200 controller and asic3 gpio (i.e. CPLD)
15:24.52Raven_codacr2: sorry for the noob question but I how do I monitor CPLD with Haret?
15:25.20Raven_codaI'll look over the blueangel keyboard driver to see if I can learn anything from it
15:25.44cr2addlist gpios ...
15:25.56cr2and then 'watch gpios'
15:26.20cr2or you can check reads/write with 'addlist mmutrace'
15:26.43cr2i don't remember if kaiser cpld is write-only or not.
15:27.06cr2if it's write-only, you can't use watch gpios
15:27.19Raven_codaso would I do addlist gpios GPIOB0 or addlist gpios 0x001 ?
15:27.27Raven_codak
15:31.06Raven_codalooks like I have some googleing to do, thanks for the help :)
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16:56.02NickbeeHello All
16:56.37Nickbeea question: how can one flash hx4705 from SD card (i want to install windows on it)
16:57.34Nickbeeit currently has got linux installed (qtopia) ...
17:30.43dcordesNickbee, you want to boot from SD card within windows?
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17:35.51Nickbeedcordes: yes
17:36.02dcordesNickbee, have a look at haret
17:36.08Nickbeeactually want to flash windows mobile from SD card
17:36.23dcordeshttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET
17:36.31dcordesoh
17:36.41Nickbeeno, the device currenly has linux
17:36.43dcordesI don't know whether that is possible
17:36.54dcordesI don't see the point in using both ;p
17:37.25Nickbeefor me, i just want to remove linux and install windows instead
17:37.52Nickbeebut i don't have the USB cab ...
17:38.00Nickbeeso need to do it from SD card or CF card
17:38.04dcordesas long as you did not overwrite the first stage bootloader/flash tool no problem I think
17:38.13dcordesthat I don't know
17:38.29dcordesmaybe ask in #angstrom or google
17:38.50Nickbeei googled it a lot, but couldn't get anything
17:39.03Nickbeelet me try the othe channel you recommened ... thanks!
17:39.48dcordesto me it looks like you require a USB cable in order to flash
17:40.17Nickbeeyup, i ordered the USB cable on ebay and have been waiting for 2 months now ... still no delivery
17:40.27Nickbeeso thought if i can get it somehow from SD
17:40.55Nickbeei know other windows devices can be flashed from SD card
17:41.04Nickbeebut don't know how to do that with hx4705
17:41.08dcordesoh that's frustrating (th ebay thing)
17:41.24Nickbeeyup ...
17:42.28Nickbeeits even frustrating when you can see the device in front of you but know you can't use it ...
17:42.29Nickbee:)
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17:52.33pH5Nickbee: I always point people to http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/hx4700/wince when this comes up
17:54.06NickbeeWOW!
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18:07.16psionfenixeither i'm stupid today, or i'm missing something. Can someone point me in the direction to connecting with haretconsole to do a gpio dump
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18:13.45Raven_codapsionfenix, can you see the device by IP?
18:14.25psionfenixno
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18:14.32psionfenixwell, i've no idea how to see that IP of it
18:14.37psionfenixi looked through HAL
18:14.46psionfenixbut just see /dev/ttyUSB0
18:14.50Raven_codaDo you have a windows or linux PC
18:14.53psionfenixlinux
18:16.20Raven_codaI'd reccommend using synce to setup the ip connection to the device
18:16.31psionfenixbleh, I hate synce. lol
18:16.36Raven_codathen you can just use the haret tools
18:16.52Raven_codawell, you can use whatever just as long as you can get an IP
18:17.39psionfenixyeah, synce doesnt like me...wait, there it went
18:17.40Raven_codaonce there just start haret click list and the on the host PC type console [PDA IP address here]
18:19.15psionfenixok, i got synce connected, haret is running on the pda with "Waiting for connection"
18:19.17psionfenixwhere do i find the IP?
18:25.08Raven_codaI think if you use pstats it will tell you
18:25.16Raven_coda*pstatus
18:29.01psionfenixit just pops up a warning
18:29.39cr2psionfenix: i hate synce too, and always use haret over wifi
18:30.05psionfenixi like to BT files to myself, you think i could get the IP from there?
18:30.28psionfenixsynce is too finicky for me, maybe i'm doing it wrong. (the only thing ms did semi-right was activesync, and even then, it's a load of bullocks)
18:31.43cr2if i was forced to use synce, i'd really hate linux.
18:32.46Raven_codaYou could use vxUtil on the phone to find it's ip
18:32.52psionfenixPart of my problem is i'm just getting BACK into linux
18:32.58psionfenixvxUtil, i have that on there, duh. lol
18:33.12psionfenixI always played with linux for a few days, then went back to windows for games and pda stuff
18:33.30psionfenixbut on easter winxp crashed HARD and i thought, i have ubuntu dual booting, why not just use that instead
18:35.55psionfenixof course, the last time i REALLY played with linux was before they had support for my wifi card. But it seems that's changed (though i'm wired now)
18:38.37dcordeswifi in linux can be a lot of frustrating when you convert
18:39.30psionfenixyeah
18:39.34psionfenixok...socket error...
18:40.27dcordespsionfenix, close and open haret
18:40.30dcordesmake sure wifi is up
18:40.45dcordesor usb whatever connetion you use
18:40.58psionfenixk, i'll play for a minute
18:41.03psionfenixheh (thats dangerous usually)
18:41.46dcordesusually works for me when I get this error message on "listen". think that happens when haret didn't close the last connection
18:42.54psionfenixstill giving me a connection refused
18:42.55psionfenixhm
18:43.52BabelOcr2: how can i create a linux live like goxboxlive do on uni ? ;)
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18:47.30psionfenixso i connect through synce, but then try to console and it says connection refused still
18:48.11Raven_codacan you ping the device?
18:48.47cr2BabelO: the .cab ? or the linuxload.exe ?
18:49.23cr2BabelO: linuxload is broken. for .cab there is some perl script.
18:49.47BabelOcr2: linuxload, i can use older revision
18:49.55cr2but this script is a bit dumb, because it needs \Storage Crad
18:51.16psionfenixRaven_coda: doesnt look like it
18:53.31Raven_codahmm, not sure then. At this point it may be easier to do as cr2 said and work over wifi
18:54.46psionfenixmy device can ping my computer
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18:58.40psionfenixwell i feel stupid. I was trying to use the cell line ip.
18:58.41psionfenixheh
19:01.00psionfenixwell, it doesnt seem to be connecting anyway...
19:07.05psionfenixconnection timed out.
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19:33.07psionfenixbleh.
19:38.26mercpsionfenix: no luck ehh?
19:38.57psionfenixnada
19:39.06psionfenixwont even let me ping the device
19:39.19psionfenixi can ping myself though.
19:39.42mercsux, I've been lurking for the day pumping myself up for when I get home from work to play with this
19:39.46psionfenixthough it doesnt seem like it wants to let me ping anything else
19:41.49dcordespsionfenix, tried out wifi?
19:42.02psionfenixvxutil didnt give me an ip for it
19:43.05psionfenixok, i can ping this chat server now, but not my device.
19:43.23psionfenixmerc: pumping yourself up for what?
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19:44.20mercmessing with my kaiser
19:44.40mercremoted into my box now getting the reps downloaded
19:44.56psionfenixoh, you guys are much closer with the kaiser
19:45.07psionfenixi'm fooked with this titan
19:45.12mercit will come along
19:45.29mercI'm gonna see if I can make some headway with the key mappings
19:45.33psionfenixi think the problem is the ram, to be honest.
19:45.45psionfenixits working on vogue and kaiser, both have 128 RAM
19:45.48psionfenixi've got 64.
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19:46.27merctake it you have already tried to slim down initrd
19:49.57psionfenixethereal got it down to like 12MB
19:50.48psionfenix12.5 MB zipped
19:53.00mercdamn and it still wont boot 4 u?
19:53.42psionfenixcorrect.
19:53.56psionfenixyou could probably use it to boot up on the kaiser easily though
19:54.25mercis it posted somewhere?
19:54.54psionfenixi actually posted the full package for l33t
19:55.00psionfenixi'll get you the url
19:55.23psionfenixhttp://www.sendspace.com/file/qchjlu
19:57.05mercgetting it now, but gotta ftp it to my site so I can grab it on my phone since I'm @ work
20:02.32mercis out...will be tinkerin later
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20:21.52BabelO~ping Kevin2
20:21.52aptpong Kevin2
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20:33.53cr2BabelO: you may check if linload.exe works on ba. the CVS version certainly does not work on n560, but the  older versions (with the same zimage/config) work.
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20:34.59plot02hi all
20:36.13BabelOcr2: linload works yes, but i use Kevin2 repository at linuxtogo
20:36.20BabelOhi plot02
20:36.20plot02i want information
20:36.35plot02i want boot linux on my prophet but i have a problem
20:36.36BabelOhmmm plot02 be carefull with n=WinNT
20:37.07plot02i set RAMSIZE to 0x01900000
20:37.09BabelOplot02: prophet is omap850 ?
20:37.13plot02yes
20:38.04plot02and CMD "root=/dev/ram0"
20:38.08cr2a huge ramdisk.
20:38.21plot02???
20:38.31cr225MB
20:39.02plot02ok
20:39.08cr2linload.exe uses some tricks to load such big ramdisk
20:39.09plot02but what i set????
20:40.07cr2i guess it's a decompressor problem, when it has not enough space
20:40.27plot02ok but what i do?
20:40.41plot02i change the RAMSIZE to other?
20:40.55plot02sorry for my english i'am french :)
20:41.20cr2no, if your ramdisk is so big, you can't make much.
20:41.52cr2maybe try to compile the linload.exe ?
20:42.38plot02ok i reduce the Ramsize??
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20:53.36psionfenixthis is driving me crazy. lol
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21:17.26Raven_codacr2, before I bang my head too much I thought I'd check with you. Do you know the i2c address of the kaiser touch screen?
21:17.34Raven_codaIs that documented somewhere?
21:20.28cr2Raven_coda: in KaiserMemoryMap
21:21.48psionfenixstill can't even ping my device.
21:21.53psionfenixthis is...annoying to say the least.
21:22.00Raven_codaare there links to these pages somewhere so I can quit bugging you? the kaiser wiki only has the gpios and irqs linked on it
21:23.27cr2Raven_coda: it's the main page
21:23.48cr2http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=KaiserMemoryMap
21:26.21psionfenixthrows pos mogul outside in the snow.
21:26.26psionfenixi've had enough of that.
21:26.51psionfenixnow i have to call up and get myold phone activated.
21:26.52psionfenixdoh
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22:37.15dcordesRaven_coda: do you have a kaiser?
22:41.42Raven_codaI do
22:42.58dcordesdid you find everything you need on xda wiki?
22:43.06dcordesbest thing is to just search for "kaiser"
22:43.17dcordeswill show you everything there is. memory map gpios irqs etc
22:43.35Raven_codaah, yes that works great
22:44.16dcordesmay I ask what you're about to do with touchscreen if we can't even access the display?
22:44.30Raven_codawe can
22:44.50dcordesdid you boot seeing something?
22:45.19Raven_codahttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695
22:46.05Raven_codawork with same initrd that works on vogue so display must not be that diff
22:46.31Raven_codaI know you, cr2  and dzo did a lot of research into iy
22:46.33Raven_coda*it
22:48.06psionfenixhow do a dump the cpld with hareconsole?
22:48.21Raven_codahey you got it working!
22:49.08psionfenixyeah
22:49.41Raven_codaI think you have to do addlist gpios to monitor the cpld
22:49.55Raven_codacr2 tried explaining it to me earlier
22:50.35dcordesRaven_coda: dzo's vogue images do not work for me on kaiser.
22:50.52Raven_codathey didn't work for me a first ether
22:51.10dcordesso?
22:51.27Raven_codaI had to run the from main memory, uninstall any voice command software and do a softrest
22:51.43Raven_codabasically free as much memory as you can
22:51.54Raven_codaotherwise it just sits at go go go
22:52.30dcordesdid you modify the boot settings?
22:52.55Raven_codaI flashed my ROM to a cut and dry version but I hear other people have it working on dutty's ROMs
22:53.02Raven_codano
22:53.09Raven_codaat least not to get it to boot
22:53.23dcordesdutty?
22:53.51Raven_codahe makes a lot of windows ROMs with lots of extras
22:54.24dcordesI wonder how I could free ram in my windows mobile
22:55.05psionfenixinstall linux on it :P
22:55.27dcordesRaven_coda: have no voice command software running I could kill
22:55.32dcordesor anything extra
22:55.53dcordesno background application.. most likely I'm at minimum usage because there's nothing on my kaiser
22:56.08dcordess/usage/ram usage/
22:56.10Raven_codahmm, did you try running it right after a softrest
22:56.16dcordesno
22:56.33dcordesI will give that a shot tomorrow.
22:56.51Raven_codaand without it plugged in (activesync gives it trouble)
22:57.05Raven_codaalso, don't let the screen go dark
22:57.06Raven_codamy always locks up if that happens
22:57.14dcordesgood
22:57.48dcordescr2: how can I determine free ram in wm?
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23:07.06psionfenixok...well, i didnt get cpld because i've got no idea how, but i did get mmu and gpios and all that.
23:11.11dcordesanyhow that's great news
23:11.27dcordesI will get it working tomorrow and porbably create a different filesystem
23:11.48dcordesbye
23:32.33psionfenixtoo bad there isnt a linux distro for my pos phone!!!
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23:44.47mercpsionfenix: u get it working yet?
23:45.04psionfenixi got haretconsole to work, not sure how to get the cpld stuff though
23:45.23mercahh what was the prob?
23:46.05psionfenixwell, it wouldnt let me connect via usb, i ended up having to turn on the internet on the phone and connect that way
23:48.05mercahhh

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