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| 06:59.11 | BabelO_ | hi |
| 07:01.34 | kiozen | morning BabelO_ |
| 07:02.23 | BabelO_ | kiozen: map i get yesturday was distorded by the feeder on the top of the map |
| 07:03.02 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i paste both side together with gimp and do 6pts reference |
| 07:03.05 | kiozen | BabelO_: yes that happens, you never get a linear square pixel scan |
| 07:04.12 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes i now, i ll try with the A3 plat scanner now :) |
| 07:05.27 | kiozen | BabelO_: there is a nasty paper fold in the middle, too |
| 07:06.33 | BabelO_ | kiozen: i get IGN maps tomorrow morning, that is a friend who have mine |
| 07:06.52 | BabelO_ | should be better than this strange map of a town |
| 07:07.26 | kiozen | BabelO_: a track to verify would be fine |
| 07:07.56 | BabelO_ | kiozen: for town here i can do a track :) |
| 07:10.29 | kiozen | BabelO_: I merged the files, too, without a real precise grid it's impossible to reference them exact enought to make the tiles fit |
| 07:22.54 | BabelO_ | kiozen: yes same for me |
| 07:25.37 | psionfenix | anyone know where i can sell my soul to put linux on my 6800? :P |
| 07:26.50 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: 6800 is htc apache ? |
| 07:28.17 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: sorry it is HTC titan |
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| 07:31.48 | psionfenix | yup |
| 07:32.00 | psionfenix | i'm just griping. lol |
| 07:32.25 | psionfenix | i can get close with android |
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| 07:34.49 | psionfenix | oh shi....hold on... |
| 07:35.27 | psionfenix | furthest i've ever gotten. |
| 07:40.03 | psionfenix | can anyone tell me what this means: android init: mtd partition -1, mtd partition 0, "msm_nand" |
| 07:44.17 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: you are able to boot android on your MSM7500 ? |
| 07:45.54 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: mtd is your flash, but i don't think -1 looks good |
| 07:46.11 | psionfenix | i can almost boot android on my msm7500 :P |
| 07:46.14 | psionfenix | that's the message i get |
| 07:46.21 | psionfenix | -1 probably isn't good. haha |
| 07:48.22 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: just look under linux kernel drivers/mtd/nand.c i think you think the exact message |
| 07:49.38 | psionfenix | well, i'm booting it through haret as a zImage, so not so much about going through that |
| 07:50.15 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: you patch android kernel ? and use dzo patch ? |
| 07:50.38 | psionfenix | i used the image that dzo posted |
| 07:50.45 | BabelO_ | psionfenix: ok |
| 07:50.47 | psionfenix | i had compiled my own, but didnt even get the tux screen. :/ |
| 07:51.20 | psionfenix | i used a different initrd though |
| 07:52.37 | psionfenix | i used the android sdk ramdisk.img |
| 07:59.15 | psionfenix | i'll try editing it and see what i can find |
| 08:11.35 | psionfenix | didnt work. |
| 08:50.24 | cr2_ | kiozen: http://www.routeconverter.de/index_de.html |
| 08:52.04 | kiozen | lol "Die Rundum-Sorglos-Version für Windows-Benutzer als ausführbares Programm:" |
| 08:52.50 | kiozen | cr2_: nothing really new, no routing on img data |
| 08:57.01 | cr2_ | kiozen: there is only one step missing in libgarmin routing app. don't know why. |
| 08:57.54 | kiozen | cr2_: what about: not pissing off Navtec and TeleAtlas? |
| 08:57.56 | cr2_ | there are a lot of _nod.c functions doing sensible things, but they are not used ;) |
| 08:58.55 | cr2_ | don't know, but i doubt it. |
| 08:59.07 | kiozen | as long as you stick to garmin stuff, garmin won't do anything as it only helps them, |
| 08:59.18 | cr2_ | the other RE commercial db is supported. |
| 08:59.30 | kiozen | but if you open the img to other apps toing routing |
| 08:59.49 | cr2_ | img2shp will be enough. |
| 09:00.08 | kiozen | navtec and teleatlas will get upset, because their precious data bas can be taken over for nothing |
| 09:00.42 | cr2_ | the only "real" missing part are the turn restrictions, and i guess they are in NOD |
| 09:00.57 | cr2_ | isn't it already the case |
| 09:00.58 | kiozen | the whole locking business was no original idea of garmin, it's always driven by the two map data supliers |
| 09:01.15 | cr2_ | the locking is a different issue. |
| 09:01.34 | cr2_ | libgarmin does not support it too, and it's the right way. imho. |
| 09:02.51 | cr2_ | those interested can always google for a solution anyway. |
| 09:02.53 | kiozen | it's like EADS fighting to prevent users from convertiing their format |
| 09:03.24 | kiozen | they want to profit in very thinkabel way |
| 09:04.04 | cr2_ | well, libgarmin is really interesting for generating img |
| 09:04.34 | cr2_ | you don't need the indexing details for reading the labels. |
| 09:04.51 | kiozen | sure and they seem to support some of the new img extensions for NT maps too |
| 09:05.48 | cr2_ | maybe i just overlooked it, but turn restrictions is the only thing that's missing for reading. |
| 09:06.56 | cr2_ | maybe i'd pick the trial copy of cgpsmapper and generate some test cases. |
| 09:08.22 | cr2_ | but i need to finish lcd spi on n560 first :) |
| 09:10.24 | kiozen | yeah! :) |
| 09:11.13 | cr2_ | it's the only thing that prevents n560 to be usable. |
| 09:11.47 | kiozen | cr2_: btw, did you make another test run with the gps enabled? Are waypoints, working now?, Did you try gps via bt? |
| 09:13.39 | cr2_ | hmm, i need to commit the bt support to cvs |
| 09:14.02 | cr2_ | i'll check it today, need to find my _working_ bt gps ;) |
| 09:14.19 | kiozen | cr2_: as the builtin gps is so mediocre, bt is getting real important |
| 09:14.50 | cr2_ | the waypoing were always working ? |
| 09:15.03 | cr2_ | s/poing/points/ |
| 09:16.15 | kiozen | well you always received a GSOD, and I changed waypoint support completely after I sent you the device, thus it's not tested on the device so far |
| 09:16.42 | kiozen | also waypoint transfer to GT is not tested on the device, just on my emulator |
| 09:17.57 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 09:18.20 | cr2_ | we've found out the GSOD is a qtopia feature |
| 09:18.48 | cr2_ | 'D' comes from LCD on/off which qtopia does |
| 09:19.11 | cr2_ | because it does not wakeup without some data fed over spi. |
| 09:19.36 | kiozen | cr2_: well the real source of it was the back key imho |
| 09:20.00 | cr2_ | we had (and have) the same problem on ba id6. |
| 09:20.03 | kiozen | no that I chaged it it should work, but we never verified afaik |
| 09:20.04 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 09:20.33 | cr2_ | i get the green splash on -qws exit |
| 09:20.38 | cr2_ | also with roadmap. |
| 09:21.28 | kiozen | cr2_: same on the qtopia x86 emulator |
| 09:21.47 | cr2_ | ok, so it's a feature. |
| 09:24.17 | kiozen | yes somehow, I will add M to inittab anyway, so I do not care |
| 09:29.01 | cr2_ | lol |
| 09:38.14 | BabelO_ | cr2_: i ve not always the green screen, depend how you exit |
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| 11:36.50 | zoolooc | hi there, who posted this kaiser video :-) ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=XbgzgJgTY8I |
| 11:38.44 | cr2_ | zoolooc: a fake ? :) |
| 12:09.55 | zoolooc | cr2_: don't know, just posted a comment asking the guy to drop by and share information |
| 12:14.58 | PCrazee | dase: you got your sd card yet? |
| 12:15.35 | PCrazee | if not, i would provide one for you :) |
| 12:16.10 | kiozen | wonders why is it so hard to keep the camera steady when showing off with devices |
| 12:20.32 | zoolooc | kiozen: yeah, wonder that, too, he also zooms and totally blurs the video, also the angle is not very good. oh well, but it might be real, upon that point where it does nothing more, presumably |
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| 12:21.31 | kiozen | zoolooc: I think it's real, but if you look at the other vids, too, the camera shaking and blur is even worse |
| 12:22.27 | kiozen | why on earth do i make a promotional vid, and care so less about the final quality? |
| 12:22.54 | kiozen | but anyway you can see tux :) |
| 12:23.51 | zoolooc | yes :-) . we'll ask the guy to make a better one, or just share his findings with us, hopefully he reacts |
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| 12:35.12 | dcordes | zoolooc: the latter would be more interesting |
| 12:35.18 | dcordes | I don't need any of his videos |
| 12:35.23 | dcordes | give us the patches! |
| 12:36.14 | zoolooc | true |
| 12:36.34 | dcordes | how did you find that? |
| 12:36.58 | zoolooc | so no one of which you guys now came so far? is this youtube guy the one with the most achievment on this? |
| 12:37.07 | zoolooc | dcordes: not me, somebody in the xda-forum |
| 12:37.24 | zoolooc | posted the link in an older "Linux on Kaiser" thread |
| 12:37.36 | dcordes | ok |
| 12:38.22 | zoolooc | anyway, that must give us hope and encourage us, if noone else came that far |
| 12:40.48 | dcordes | doesn't look like too much of a fake to me |
| 12:42.53 | zoolooc | yes, I also do not suspect anything like that, really wish this guy shares his findings with us |
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| 12:45.56 | dcordes | maybe he's a complete 1337 secret h4xor |
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| 12:53.42 | dcordes | zoolooc: can you read the last system messages? |
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| 13:02.15 | zoolooc | dcordes: on that video? not at all... |
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| 13:34.47 | dcordes | hi marcinb |
| 13:36.52 | marcinb | hi |
| 13:38.47 | marcinb | sorry i'm going homw (now I'm in work) |
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| 15:41.26 | kiozen | cr2_: new binary of M on server, (no the battery and backlight icons are not working yet) |
| 15:45.26 | BabelO_ | want to test also ;) |
| 15:46.16 | kiozen | BabelO_: same linka as usual |
| 15:46.32 | BabelO_ | yes downloaded ;) |
| 15:50.51 | cr2_ | kiozen: the backlight is in /sys/class/backlight/* |
| 15:51.07 | cr2_ | for LCD it's generic-bl |
| 15:51.38 | cr2_ | and we need to decide what to do with keyboard-bl, keypad-bl, foobar-bl |
| 15:52.08 | kiozen | cr2_: but not for my laptop ;) will do it if I have the device |
| 15:52.52 | cr2_ | yes, i only want to tell you that it's something to keep in mind. |
| 15:54.05 | BabelO_ | cr2_: there is automatic keyboard led management in kernel ;) |
| 15:54.16 | BabelO_ | cr2_: did you try gt on windows ? |
| 15:54.45 | cr2_ | BabelO_: it's not a "usual" led here |
| 15:55.06 | BabelO_ | cr why ? |
| 15:55.14 | BabelO_ | s/cr/cr2_/ |
| 15:55.18 | cr2_ | the LCD backlight also can be a led, but we still have a separate driver for it. |
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| 15:56.31 | cr2_ | otherwise it can be converted into LED too. |
| 15:57.33 | cr2_ | but we need some sane naming scheme for the leds first. |
| 15:58.31 | cr2_ | otherwise the userspace will really suffer. |
| 15:58.44 | cr2_ | like with the infamous corgi-bl ;) |
| 16:16.59 | cr2_ | BabelO_: in the end it does not matter if it's /sys/class/leds/* or /sys/class/backlight/* |
| 16:17.30 | cr2_ | only the naming convention counts. |
| 16:19.20 | BabelO_ | cr2_: agree, actually we use device:Le color |
| 16:19.28 | BabelO_ | s/Le /LED/ |
| 16:21.15 | cr2_ | it's not very helpful for qtopia. |
| 16:21.52 | cr2_ | sometimes the red led is not there, vibra too. |
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| 16:22.18 | cr2_ | and there are many options for keyboard/keypad backlights. |
| 16:22.22 | cr2_ | ask Marex :) |
| 16:23.20 | cr2_ | BabelO: it's bad when everybody need to write some custom code for qtopia. imho we'd learn something from opie ;) |
| 16:24.55 | Marex | cr2_, hi, wassup ? |
| 16:25.01 | cr2_ | BabelO_: it#s already bad that we have separate qtopia for ba and universal. |
| 16:25.23 | cr2_ | Marex: how many "leds" are there on beetles ? |
| 16:25.36 | BabelO_ | cr2_: agree, i need to found the bug about GSM EOF |
| 16:25.43 | Marex | you can count them on one hand's fingers so less then 32 |
| 16:25.47 | BabelO_ | sorry EOL |
| 16:26.00 | cr2_ | Marex: sable has miniSD only, so i can't check sable with the same SD card ;) |
| 16:26.27 | cr2_ | BabelO_: i guess the similar problem will appear on sable/beetles |
| 16:26.29 | BabelO_ | Marex: so Beetles is a Christmas tree |
| 16:26.34 | Marex | yea |
| 16:26.38 | BabelO_ | lol |
| 16:26.43 | cr2_ | that's why we need to unify as much as possible |
| 16:26.52 | Marex | three leds + backlight, keypad, keyboard, diode flash |
| 16:26.58 | Marex | probably forgotten something |
| 16:27.08 | BabelO_ | cr2_: there is no led management in qtopia, it is simply an accessory i think |
| 16:27.10 | cr2_ | camera flash |
| 16:28.12 | cr2_ | BabelO_: i think that everything in /sys/class/lcd/* should go down on suspend. the same for /sys/class/backlight/* |
| 16:28.42 | cr2_ | and we need some name convention for /sys/class/led* |
| 16:28.53 | cr2_ | than covers all out devices. |
| 16:28.57 | cr2_ | s/out/our/ |
| 16:29.26 | Marex | s/than/that/ |
| 16:29.43 | BabelO_ | cr2_: acutally i link phone led to input led event and keyboard backlight led to keyboard event, because there is a timer , all in driver |
| 16:29.43 | cr2_ | the machine name is not very hepful there. |
| 16:30.29 | cr2_ | BabelO_: ok, how it will work on the universal ? |
| 16:30.56 | cr2_ | there is a keypad backlight there. (for the phone keys) |
| 16:31.33 | cr2_ | 'phone led' is what wince calls 'notification led' ? |
| 16:36.44 | cr2_ | Marex: btw, do you have both SD slots working ? |
| 16:37.04 | Marex | Im booting from the big one, I have no minisd card |
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| 16:37.41 | dcordes | cr2_: you think kaiser vid is a fake? |
| 16:38.17 | Marex | (because half of price of new card goes to IFPI - internation foundation of pricks and imbeciles - for licence fees, I dont want to buy one) |
| 16:38.36 | cr2_ | dcordes: yes. |
| 16:38.42 | Marex | dcordes, what vid ? |
| 16:39.31 | dcordes | Marex: somebody posted a video showing haret running a kernel on kaiser on youtube |
| 16:39.40 | cr2_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=XbgzgJgTY8I |
| 16:40.06 | psionfenix | ...wow, everytime i post at xda or ppc i bash MS...and not on purpose. |
| 16:40.20 | cr2_ | LOOL |
| 16:40.51 | Marex | well I think it is fake, you can see it on the left top corner |
| 16:41.14 | Marex | the lcd colour isnt continuous there |
| 16:41.33 | psionfenix | i can almost get that far on the 6800... |
| 16:41.55 | psionfenix | but my text is much less. |
| 16:42.05 | cr2_ | psionfenix: it all depends on whether your framebuffer is in SDRAM or SRAM |
| 16:42.17 | psionfenix | just says mtd partition -1, mtd partition 0, "msm_nand" |
| 16:42.22 | cr2_ | on kaiser it's at the beginning of SDRAM |
| 16:42.42 | cr2_ | usually the zimage is loaded exactly into this address range. |
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| 16:42.49 | psionfenix | ah |
| 16:43.04 | cr2_ | which is not a problem if you have an LCD panel driver |
| 16:43.21 | cr2_ | and there is no such thing so far. |
| 16:43.25 | Marex | has a mobile phone with MSM6250 or something like that |
| 16:43.27 | psionfenix | is a porting newb :( |
| 16:43.29 | Marex | siemens sxg75 :) |
| 16:43.57 | Marex | it'd be nice to run linux on that, but I doubt it's possible |
| 16:44.15 | cr2_ | psionfenix: the msm7500 phones (CDMA) all use msm SRAM for the FB. don't ask me why there is such difference :) |
| 16:44.39 | dcordes | damn old qualcomm |
| 16:45.09 | psionfenix | why is there such difference? Just kidding. So, what I did, is use dzo's zImage, and a renamed ramdisk.img from the sdk |
| 16:45.19 | cr2_ | Marex: judging from modaco forum 6250 a real PITA to deal with. |
| 16:45.26 | psionfenix | that got me the farthest so far, but i'm not sure what i should be poking around in to get further |
| 16:45.43 | cr2_ | psionfenix: you have a 7500 phone ? |
| 16:45.52 | Marex | cr2_, yea, the mobile is screwed even with original firmware, but that's siemens's fault :p |
| 16:45.58 | psionfenix | yeah, htc titan (or mogul, or ppc6800, etc) |
| 16:46.31 | cr2_ | psionfenix: titan has the fb also in sram. |
| 16:46.32 | dcordes | psionfenix: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/ |
| 16:46.43 | dcordes | checkout good old vogue kernel |
| 16:46.54 | psionfenix | that's where i got the kernel from |
| 16:46.59 | dcordes | oh ok :) |
| 16:47.02 | cr2_ | and it's possible to trace the LCD and SD on it. |
| 16:47.17 | cr2_ | for some unknown reason it does not work on kaiser. |
| 16:47.29 | psionfenix | if i comment out the initrd-android (from that site), i get a tux screen |
| 16:47.39 | dcordes | cr2_: can we use msm7500x tace data for kaiser :) ? |
| 16:48.04 | dcordes | s/tace/trace/ |
| 16:48.05 | cr2_ | psionfenix: it's a huge initrd |
| 16:48.08 | psionfenix | if i change it to the initrd i renamed from the ramdisk.img and allow it to run, i get further (albeit not much) |
| 16:48.23 | cr2_ | dcordes: i think yes, but it does not bring us much further. |
| 16:48.42 | cr2_ | dcordes: because there is no SD driver, and the LCD panels are different. |
| 16:48.43 | dcordes | I wonder whether dzo is cooking on it or not |
| 16:49.34 | psionfenix | my exact message is: tux with "how are you gentlemen, reading config file, device init", then it get: ANDROID init: mtd partition -1, init: mtd partition 0, "msm_nand" |
| 16:50.01 | cr2_ | psionfenix: can you dump the SPL and wince "dmesg" area ? |
| 16:50.17 | psionfenix | i have no idea how (first time porting in this manner) |
| 16:50.31 | dcordes | psionfenix: get haretconsole |
| 16:50.40 | dcordes | do you have python? |
| 16:50.45 | psionfenix | yeah |
| 16:50.56 | psionfenix | i'm on a linux box, so if i dont, i can get it. |
| 16:51.17 | psionfenix | though i'm fairly certain i have it ;) |
| 16:51.35 | cr2_ | oh, you have titan. |
| 16:51.53 | dcordes | psionfenix: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haretconsole-20071216.tar.gz |
| 16:52.09 | psionfenix | yeah....titan....i know....but hey, SOMEONE's gotta do it |
| 16:52.45 | cr2_ | no, i mean, it's already documented |
| 16:52.49 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanMemoryMap |
| 16:53.16 | psionfenix | yeah, i have that bookmarked. I dont know what to DO with it, however |
| 16:53.26 | dcordes | :) |
| 16:54.15 | cr2_ | you may trace the CPLD gpios, and the MSM gpios |
| 16:54.52 | cr2_ | something like http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_CPLD |
| 16:55.38 | cr2_ | and http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser_GPIO |
| 16:56.19 | psionfenix | do i use haretconsole for that |
| 16:56.49 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 16:57.23 | cr2_ | you may just copy these tables, and clean the Description field. |
| 16:57.45 | cr2_ | or maybe they are the same :) |
| 16:58.05 | psionfenix | heh |
| 16:58.08 | cr2_ | the only major difference is the CPLD base address |
| 16:59.02 | cr2_ | dcordes: hiding the CPU specs and not releasing the LCD and SD drivers seems to be a general habit these days. |
| 16:59.21 | cr2_ | dcordes: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GoPalP4225 |
| 16:59.46 | cr2_ | that's the next cpu to be added to haret :) |
| 17:00.05 | psionfenix | ok, i see the cpld base for titan on the memory map |
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| 17:00.32 | Marex | cr2_, hehe ... 6250 has jtag :p |
| 17:00.44 | Marex | maybe sxg75 has it accessible somewhere |
| 17:01.11 | cr2_ | Marex: it's more useful to hack n560 :) |
| 17:01.47 | cr2_ | BabelO: i'll check the GT on an xp notebook. |
| 17:03.04 | BabelO | cr2_: ok, tell me, it work well at my office |
| 17:06.11 | Marex | cr2_, you might be right with that |
| 17:09.04 | Marex | darn, opie doesnt boot with latest hh kernel |
| 17:09.18 | Marex | on neither T5 nor beetles |
| 17:09.21 | Marex | ah |
| 17:09.26 | Marex | now it does boot |
| 17:09.28 | Marex | weird |
| 17:10.02 | cr2_ | opie or the kernel ? |
| 17:10.05 | Marex | opie |
| 17:10.21 | Marex | it hanged and ate 30% of memory |
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| 17:33.12 | BabelO | cr2_: i ll try qlandkarte now ;) |
| 17:36.10 | cr2_ | BabelO: qlandkarte works for me on windows. |
| 17:36.25 | cr2_ | BabelO: what is the fwtools liknk ? |
| 17:36.46 | cr2_ | found |
| 17:37.19 | BabelO | cr2_: it works without fwtools ? |
| 17:37.28 | cr2_ | no. |
| 17:37.44 | cr2_ | GT |
| 17:39.58 | cr2_ | BabelO: installed fwtools |
| 17:40.03 | cr2_ | GT does not work |
| 17:41.20 | BabelO | cr2_: what it say ? |
| 17:41.35 | BabelO | cr2_: maybe it is due to dll plugins |
| 17:42.20 | cr2_ | qlandkarte works |
| 17:42.30 | cr2_ | but it's compiled with msys |
| 17:43.02 | BabelO | cr2_: ok, but what does gt say when you start it ? |
| 17:44.28 | cr2_ | reinstall |
| 17:45.07 | cr2_ | btw, maybe it's the msvcrtdll* |
| 17:45.24 | BabelO | cr2_: should be ok when you put all in same directory |
| 17:45.53 | BabelO | cr2_: let me try on my virtual machine |
| 17:46.29 | cr2_ | hmm |
| 17:47.24 | cr2_ | why does qlandkarte work ? |
| 17:51.15 | cr2_ | ah, because it was compiled with a sane compiler :) |
| 17:51.42 | BabelO | lol, nooo |
| 17:52.00 | cr2_ | heh ? synce is not included in suse ? |
| 17:52.04 | BabelO | cr2_: i try on my virtual machine just copying data from office computer |
| 17:52.11 | BabelO | cr2_: no |
| 17:52.21 | cr2_ | fscking novell |
| 17:52.27 | BabelO | anyway included version does not works with wince5 |
| 17:52.42 | cr2_ | they are the ms monkeys anyway, why don't they like synce ? |
| 17:57.39 | Marex | cr2_, hm really, opie is stuck :/ |
| 17:57.51 | Marex | it eats whole ram and is pretty slow |
| 18:03.18 | BabelO | cr2_: it works for me :) |
| 18:03.37 | BabelO | cr2_: i copy qlandkarte and dll + ms* in fwtools/bin :) |
| 18:03.50 | BabelO | this is a nice install setup :) |
| 18:05.20 | BabelO | cr2_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/msvcr80.zip |
| 18:08.44 | cr2_ | ok |
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| 18:16.21 | cr2_ | BabelO: windows is very difficult to work with. |
| 18:16.52 | cr2_ | unless you are some mouse clicking word/excel jockey ;) |
| 18:17.21 | BabelO | kiozen : CInfoScreen::batteryStatusChanged() :) looks good |
| 18:17.56 | BabelO | cr2_: i use lot of tools to work well with windows ;) totalcommander + procexp + depends + olly dbg and some others |
| 18:18.26 | cr2_ | i've downloaded evc4 |
| 18:20.23 | BabelO | cr2_: those tools are very well http://technet.microsoft.com/fr-fr/sysinternals/default.aspx |
| 18:20.31 | BabelO | what is evc4 ? it tell me something |
| 18:20.44 | cr2_ | hehe. ms at its best. doesn't connect to the device. |
| 18:20.51 | cr2_ | wince crosscompiler |
| 18:21.24 | BabelO | cr2_: ok :) that is why |
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| 18:36.22 | BabelO | kiozen icon 3D fix works well too |
| 18:36.45 | BabelO | just this silly altitude is bad -6m lol |
| 18:40.00 | cr2_ | lol, i've told kiozen about it. |
| 18:41.08 | BabelO | cr2_: i receive 12 satellites now, and altitude say 6m ( now it is positive), which i think is wrong |
| 18:42.18 | cr2_ | BabelO: it's a complex issue actually |
| 18:42.45 | cr2_ | which sats to pick from 12 so the altitude precision is the best. |
| 18:43.20 | cr2_ | is gpstk in available in oe ? |
| 18:44.05 | BabelO | cr2_: now it is 55m .. hmm |
| 18:44.13 | BabelO | gpstk ? i look |
| 18:45.41 | BabelO | cr2_: i did not use gpsd with QlandkarteM |
| 18:45.54 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 18:46.06 | cr2_ | kiozen wants to read raw data himself. |
| 18:46.32 | BabelO | gpstk downloaded |
| 18:46.57 | BabelO | cr2_: you want me to install tcl/tk on phone ? |
| 18:46.59 | cr2_ | BabelO: the wince 5.0 device uses serial over usb ? |
| 18:47.10 | cr2_ | BabelO: what for ? |
| 18:47.14 | BabelO | cr2_: yes |
| 18:47.18 | BabelO | cr2_: for gpstk |
| 18:47.28 | cr2_ | hm. not really |
| 18:47.45 | cr2_ | i see gpstk as a gps math library. |
| 18:48.18 | cr2_ | i'm wondering why/if nobody hooked it to sirf. |
| 18:49.16 | cr2_ | BabelO: ok, activesync is connected, but 'netstat -r' doesn't show anything useful ? |
| 18:49.36 | BabelO | cr2_: to you see rndis set to ethx ? |
| 18:49.48 | cr2_ | no rndis here. |
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| 18:50.15 | BabelO | cr2_: ah, c'est don't think it works |
| 18:50.27 | BabelO | cr2_: ah on windows computer :) |
| 18:50.36 | cr2_ | :) |
| 18:50.52 | cr2_ | i#m installing the 5.0 sdk now. |
| 18:50.55 | BabelO | cr2_: ipconfig |
| 18:51.13 | BabelO | you should see a network ip 169.254.2.2 somthing ending with 2.2 |
| 18:51.22 | cr2_ | shows only the ethernet |
| 18:52.07 | BabelO | cr2_: ipconfig /all ? |
| 18:52.19 | BabelO | wince device is alays connected with same ip adress |
| 18:52.29 | BabelO | host is on 2.2 and device on 2.1 |
| 18:52.37 | BabelO | cr2_: gpstk compiled |
| 18:52.54 | cr2_ | BabelO: the same |
| 18:53.17 | cr2_ | maybe i need to reboot :) |
| 18:53.29 | cr2_ | but activesync works somehow |
| 18:55.19 | k3asd | reboot |
| 18:55.40 | cr2_ | hmm. |
| 18:55.47 | cr2_ | now pc2003 works |
| 18:56.01 | cr2_ | windows at its best. |
| 18:56.19 | cr2_ | lol |
| 18:56.28 | cr2_ | processor strongarm |
| 18:56.37 | cr2_ | haret said omap850 :) |
| 18:56.53 | cr2_ | both are wrong, of course |
| 18:57.58 | cr2_ | it#s a pity synce is not implementing this stuff |
| 19:00.11 | cr2_ | remote zoom in |
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| 19:02.35 | BabelO | cr2_: gpstk is installed |
| 19:02.44 | BabelO | and you right no tk here ;) |
| 19:02.55 | BabelO | cr2_: what i need to do now ? |
| 19:12.16 | cr2_ | BabelO: ? |
| 19:12.31 | BabelO | cr2_: it is a set of tools |
| 19:12.45 | cr2_ | a library |
| 19:13.01 | cr2_ | hm. can't run haret without an ip :( |
| 19:13.35 | BabelO | cr2_: http://pastebin.ca/977299 |
| 19:14.10 | BabelO | cr2_: so activesync is green , but you see no ip with ipconfig /all :( |
| 19:14.17 | cr2_ | yes |
| 19:14.24 | cr2_ | ok, it's interesting |
| 19:15.22 | BabelO | cr2_: Test least squares using class SRIFilter for tsrif |
| 19:15.37 | cr2_ | http://www.gpstk.org/pub/Documentation/UsersGuide/gpstk-user-reference.pdf |
| 19:17.36 | BabelO | cr2_: strange is you see no new network connection then it use a real usb serial mode :( |
| 19:18.21 | cr2_ | isn't it ppp over serial over usb ? |
| 19:18.37 | cr2_ | the same a ipaq.ko |
| 19:19.03 | cr2_ | it should still use p2p ip |
| 19:19.41 | BabelO | cr2_: there is a wince5 tools to switch mode |
| 19:21.12 | BabelO | cr2_: http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=6&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clarinetsys.com%2Fen%2Fpdf%2FEA104_WM5.0Support.pdf&ei=WcX7R-GgCKP--AK0vaT3Dw&usg=AFQjCNH4krl453bB6bbKESRjFvQ9D5a6eQ&sig2=WBtSVVPUeNoyZ1S34jkI7g |
| 19:24.24 | dcordes | prefers gpe over opie |
| 19:30.36 | BabelO | cr2_: qlandkarte M waypoint upload works too :) |
| 19:31.19 | BabelO | cr2_: i need to tell kiozen to add a nice notification once upload is ok ;) |
| 19:36.21 | BabelO | ok i use two different maps set waypoint and they are ok on device :) it is very good |
| 19:37.37 | BabelO | cr2_: ah ah -> *** glibc detected *** ./QLandkarteM: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0014e25c *** |
| 19:41.15 | cr2_ | hehe |
| 19:48.19 | cr2_ | aa. ipaq314 |
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| 19:51.48 | BabelO | humm segfault on goto waypoint |
| 19:51.50 | BabelO | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 19:51.53 | BabelO | kiozen :) |
| 19:52.02 | cr2_ | kiozen: segfault :) |
| 19:52.03 | kiozen | whoe me? |
| 19:52.23 | BabelO | kiozen: yes, testing new M version :) |
| 19:52.26 | kiozen | yes segfault, segfault segfault segfault |
| 19:52.41 | kiozen | feel like steve balmer |
| 19:52.57 | kiozen | ok, be with you in a second.. |
| 19:53.09 | BabelO | kiozen: you detect powerstatus inside qtopia and it show CInfoScreen::batteryStatusChanged() |
| 19:56.49 | kiozen | BabelO cr2_: ok what's up? |
| 19:57.13 | BabelO | kiozen: so i see 3D fix and also 2D fix when signal is bad |
| 19:57.36 | BabelO | battery is masked in qtopia because ok batterystatus changed signal |
| 19:57.56 | BabelO | i ll upload waypoint from gt and works perfect, just miss a notification on both side |
| 19:58.17 | BabelO | coord label is too short, miss the end of E004 |
| 19:58.34 | BabelO | somtimes get a segfault on waypoint goto |
| 19:58.51 | BabelO | and invalid pointer on qlandkarte leave |
| 19:58.56 | BabelO | kiozen: that is all |
| 19:59.50 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.59 | kiozen | notifacations is understood |
| 20:00.15 | kiozen | what was that battery stuff? |
| 20:00.56 | BabelO | kiozen: when i start M inside qpe, i get a signal CInfoScreen::batteryStatusChanged() |
| 20:01.05 | BabelO | and did not show the battery icon :) |
| 20:01.32 | kiozen | ok, battery icon is not working yet, I can't do this on my laptop |
| 20:01.44 | BabelO | kiozen: other strange think is that inside qpewhen i go to menu, if i click in menu it move the map :( |
| 20:02.07 | kiozen | huh? strange... |
| 20:02.52 | BabelO | kiozen: i think i m right about your menu drawing there is a bad height size somewhere, but have to build it myself to check |
| 20:03.17 | kiozen | coord label: there has to be a screen size dependent implementation if CInfoScreen |
| 20:03.36 | kiozen | currently it's optimized for 480 px |
| 20:03.49 | BabelO | kiozen: ok, but how do you run inside qvfb ? |
| 20:03.54 | kiozen | but for smaller devices the layout has to change |
| 20:04.11 | kiozen | don't start qpe |
| 20:04.27 | kiozen | and do a "QLandkarteM -qws" |
| 20:04.30 | kiozen | from console |
| 20:04.40 | kiozen | or startup script |
| 20:04.42 | BabelO | kiozen , this is mine QWS_DISPLAY="LinuxFb:Transformed:mmWidth54:mmHeight71" |
| 20:04.58 | BabelO | and QWS_SIZE="240x320" |
| 20:06.08 | kiozen | yes, for 240 px the layout of the infoscreen has to change, maybe some info has to be droped to |
| 20:06.16 | kiozen | presever screen real estate |
| 20:06.31 | kiozen | also the 4 virt. buttons have to be smaller |
| 20:06.49 | BabelO | kiozen: all lokks good for me, but if you think it can be better ;) |
| 20:07.38 | cr2_ | kiozen: 240x240 :) |
| 20:07.48 | cr2_ | and 480x272 |
| 20:08.04 | cr2_ | "widescreen" |
| 20:08.15 | BabelO | and also 800x480 :) |
| 20:08.42 | kiozen | cr2_: you won't find a layout that perfectly fits all those sizes |
| 20:09.06 | BabelO | kiozen: so need and external theming file ;) |
| 20:09.27 | kiozen | thus if someone wants to have a special size suported M has to be appended by that |
| 20:09.59 | kiozen | I doubt you can handle this with a theme file |
| 20:10.39 | BabelO | cr2_: how can i convert cat /dev/fb0 > dump to a correct png file ? ;) |
| 20:10.48 | kiozen | and I doubt if you can that it is easier than simply add some code to M |
| 20:11.47 | kiozen | but that segfault would interest me much more |
| 20:11.59 | BabelO | kiozen: code is easier i m agree, but a xml file can be ok too, if you button are stylesheet oonly |
| 20:12.12 | kiozen | BabelO: can you start M with gdb and do a backtrace on that segfault |
| 20:12.14 | BabelO | kiozen: ok let me find a way to reproduce ;) |
| 20:13.00 | kiozen | The problem is that the current info screen has four text filed in a grid, |
| 20:13.45 | kiozen | for smaller devices these 4 fields have to be aligned as a column, and some information might even be droped |
| 20:14.09 | cr2_ | BabelO: hexdump, convert from 565 to 888, create pnm |
| 20:14.47 | cr2_ | BabelO: i don't know if there are other tools for that. |
| 20:15.20 | kiozen | BabelO: you use touchscreen for that move map / menu thing? |
| 20:15.53 | kiozen | Currently double clicks on ts are not excepted. |
| 20:16.00 | BabelO | cr2_: 888 is worng format it say |
| 20:16.12 | kiozen | thus the second click will be like touching the map |
| 20:16.13 | BabelO | kiozen: yes i use touch screen |
| 20:16.37 | kiozen | ok, have to remember to control that double click :) |
| 20:17.10 | BabelO | kiozen: the bug is here without qpe too, once i click on waypoint form i still can move the map if i keep ts pressed |
| 20:20.35 | cr2_ | BabelO: 2byte 5+6+5 to 3byte 8+8+8 |
| 20:20.55 | cr2_ | BabelO: you need to mask the R,G,B |
| 20:21.03 | BabelO | kiozen: ok i got segfault now :) sorry no gdb, but step to reproduce |
| 20:21.57 | BabelO | kiozen: Menu -> Waypoints -> select one wyapoint (ok button )-> mouvement ts pressed on label, it move the maps under -> click on goto |
| 20:22.06 | BabelO | ending with kaboum |
| 20:22.56 | BabelO | cr2_: hexdump -e 888 dump > dumpbis.dmp && pnmtopng dumpbis.dmp > test.png |
| 20:23.55 | kiozen | BabelO: hm no kaboom here |
| 20:23.59 | cr2_ | BabelO: and it works ? :) |
| 20:25.32 | BabelO | cr2_: noo , hexdump -e 888 say format erronée |
| 20:27.36 | BabelO | cr2_: ok -> http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/TakingScreenshots |
| 20:31.25 | kiozen | BabelO: btw, gps height has always a bigger error than lon / lat. Thus don't rely to much on it |
| 20:31.59 | kiozen | it is told that the 60SCx compensates this by it's barometric sensor |
| 20:32.42 | kiozen | but honestly, on a day trip with my father's boat the altitude is +-50m |
| 20:33.06 | kiozen | and the local lake does not have any freak waves |
| 20:33.16 | BabelO | kiozen: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/testM.png |
| 20:33.52 | BabelO | kiozen: that how it look outsite qpe for me |
| 20:34.07 | BabelO | so your layout is ok i think ;) |
| 20:34.55 | kiozen | there is still a bit space between the coord and the altitude |
| 20:35.18 | kiozen | I could change the weight between the 2 areas, |
| 20:35.38 | kiozen | but I doubt it will be right an a 3000m mountain |
| 20:35.53 | kiozen | than coord and altitude will collide |
| 20:35.54 | BabelO | lol, no mountain here |
| 20:36.03 | BabelO | don't touch anything ;) |
| 20:36.10 | BabelO | i can live like this |
| 20:36.41 | kiozen | without the precise coord? |
| 20:36.43 | cr2_ | ooo. i need to check it too :) |
| 20:36.57 | kiozen | you haven't started geocaching, yet |
| 20:37.01 | BabelO | kiozen: and what about track ? ;) |
| 20:37.23 | kiozen | sure :) once I get the loox back |
| 20:37.28 | BabelO | ok |
| 20:37.34 | kiozen | a track has to be saved to SD |
| 20:37.53 | kiozen | and I am not quite sure about the right strategy for that |
| 20:38.43 | cr2_ | kiozen: write .mps in 512byte blocks. |
| 20:38.44 | BabelO | kiozen: ring buffer into memory and a second thread which flush buffer to sd sometimes ;) |
| 20:38.51 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 20:38.54 | kiozen | I can see the map moving in dialogs problem with the emulator, thus I can fix it |
| 20:39.54 | kiozen | BabelO: no real ring, but collecting 10 to 20 values befor appending the track on SD will be good sport |
| 20:40.18 | kiozen | and I have to set the recording intervall depening on the velocity |
| 20:40.23 | cr2_ | kiozen: it's the advantage of gpsd, you can run sirfmon in parallel with M |
| 20:40.37 | cr2_ | isn't .mps fixed length format ? |
| 20:41.17 | kiozen | cr2_: gpsd does not help me if it can't handle the data from my gps correctly |
| 20:42.06 | kiozen | and right now it simply failes to output any usable data except raw |
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| 20:43.17 | kiozen | but it's easy to add another gps source to M |
| 20:43.36 | kiozen | thus adding gpsd or sirf binary is not a big deal |
| 20:44.23 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:45.15 | cr2_ | kiozen: bt sucks. gpsd does not have any problems with builtin sirf3 |
| 20:46.21 | kiozen | cr2_: but with the n560 builtin sirf3 sucks itself, thus bt is the only alternative |
| 20:46.33 | cr2_ | yes, i know :( |
| 20:47.14 | kiozen | gpsd surely has it's advantages, but it's an additionaly load of bugs and cpu cycles, too |
| 20:47.40 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:47.43 | kiozen | and I prefere finding my own bugs, than those of others |
| 20:48.05 | kiozen | I make them myself, and I find them my self :D |
| 20:49.37 | cr2_ | There are no software downloads or drivers for this product. |
| 20:49.53 | kiozen | ? |
| 20:50.12 | kiozen | for my gps mouse? |
| 20:50.42 | cr2_ | ipaq310, pressed the wrong mouse button :) |
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| 21:02.17 | CubaCola | hi |
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| 21:07.04 | BabelO | hi CubaCola |
| 21:07.18 | BabelO | kiozen: agree with cou cycle ;) |
| 21:10.39 | kiozen | BabelO: this dialog thing is trick, have to do this in the morning |
| 21:10.57 | kiozen | BabelO: did you get that backtrace with gdb |
| 21:10.58 | kiozen | ? |
| 21:13.58 | kiozen | ok, I am too tired now, got to sleep, cu in the morning :) |
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| 21:47.55 | BabelO | ola diogene31_ |
| 21:51.08 | diogene31_ | BabelO: ola ! |
| 21:51.31 | BabelO | diogene31_: does your mio works under qtopia with gps ? |
| 21:51.34 | BabelO | you fix all thing ? |
| 21:52.53 | diogene31_ | BabelO: I have no gps application ... I know GPS is working (I can see NMEA or SIRF frames), but have not tested an application. Is there on available ? |
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| 21:58.55 | BabelO | ok, one minute ;) |
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| 21:59.20 | BabelO | diogene31_: yes there is available ;) |
| 21:59.37 | BabelO | diogene31_: two aplpcaition, roadmap or qlandkarteM from kiozen |
| 21:59.50 | BabelO | diogene31_: i test the second with gps it works well |
| 22:00.16 | diogene31_ | BabelO: Ow, that's great. Where are the maps taken from, and are they available for France ? |
| 22:01.47 | BabelO | diogene31_: maps is easy to take with M just scan a map or like me use gmaps screenshot :) |
| 22:02.34 | BabelO | diogene31_: i ve tried maps of touclouse centre ville yesturday .. but too mcuh distortion |
| 22:02.54 | diogene31_ | BabelO: Too bad it's the town I live in ... :) |
| 22:04.06 | cr2_ | diogene31_: there is OSM, yahoo, and hmm. google. |
| 22:05.31 | BabelO | diogene31_: lol i know, that is why i ask you |
| 22:05.42 | BabelO | diogene31_: here at montpellier i use gmaps, better ;) |
| 22:06.29 | BabelO | diogene31_: and my map is old, there is new road :) |
| 22:07.55 | cr2_ | 748020 |
| 22:08.29 | BabelO | diogene31_: http://www.qlandkarte.org/ |
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| 22:12.18 | diogene31_ | cr2_: 748020 ??? |
| 22:12.55 | cr2_ | spi response to the LCD init on n560 ;) |
| 22:13.19 | cr2_ | i'll become an spi expert soon, by analyzing this bitbang driver. |
| 22:14.25 | diogene31_ | BabelO: Ah yes, I see. I wonder how geoide distortion and earth altitude was taken into the map distortion calculation ... |
| 22:14.45 | diogene31_ | cr2_: I see. A new toy, good :) |
| 22:15.21 | cr2_ | diogene31_: i have many toys |
| 22:15.43 | BabelO | diogene31_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/testM.png |
| 22:15.46 | cr2_ | the last toy claims 0.8m DOP with 11sats |
| 22:16.26 | cr2_ | it's a dualcore chip where the DSP does gps. |
| 22:16.40 | cr2_ | the last invention by sirf. |
| 22:16.57 | diogene31_ | cr2_: So does my wife, buys a PPC every 8 monthes ... Kernel dev cannot keep up :) |
| 22:17.34 | diogene31_ | cr2_: 11 active reachable sats ? Incredible, I have 7 at most. |
| 22:17.39 | cr2_ | LOL |
| 22:18.17 | cr2_ | diogene31_: it depends on a location/time |
| 22:18.47 | diogene31_ | cr2_: You're in US right ? |
| 22:19.03 | cr2_ | .de |
| 22:19.15 | cr2_ | 51,7 |
| 22:19.21 | BabelO | diogene31_: most of the time it is between 7 and 11 here ;) |
| 22:19.53 | cr2_ | asr2, lsr29, asr3,lsl3 |
| 22:20.52 | cr2_ | there are 3 spi ports on pxa27x, 1 is used for the ts/adc. |
| 22:21.07 | cr2_ | wtf they didn't use the other... |
| 22:22.52 | diogene31_ | cr2_: To make you angry :) |
| 22:23.40 | cr2_ | yeah. |
| 22:23.54 | cr2_ | and their resume path is even worse. |
| 22:26.35 | diogene31_ | cr2_: Ah don't talk resume to me. I remember my awfull week trying to awaken the mio. A miracle the battery plug didn't break. Debugging wince assembly ... brrr. Good luck. |
| 22:27.12 | diogene31_ | cr2_: I on the other side chose to switch off on suspend, switch on on resume the GPS. Cowardly ... but working. |
| 22:29.03 | cr2_ | diogene31_: the kernel is loaded with +2MB offset, at +1MB you have the full SPL, and at +0MB some data is stored. |
| 22:29.57 | cr2_ | diogene31_: on resume the IPL always goes into the SPL. i thought only old DEC machines were working this way... |
| 22:30.37 | cr2_ | a real 'console' architecture. |
| 22:37.07 | diogene31_ | cr2_: I didn't know old DECs had a resume path. Which computer/device are you thinking of ? |
| 22:44.07 | cr2_ | 'halt' was doing something similar to suspend. or you could just break into console. |
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| 22:51.54 | diogene31_ | cr2_: Like "Stop A" on Suns ? |
| 22:52.27 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 22:52.35 | cr2_ | hmm. wakeup looks like that: |
| 22:52.38 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.39 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.39 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.39 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.47 | cr2_ | +5 gpios :) |
| 22:54.21 | BabelO | cr2_: haret worls on medion now ? |
| 22:54.22 | cr2_ | suspend is more harmless |
| 22:54.26 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.55 | cr2_ | BabelO: there are some troubles, but http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GoPalP4225 |
| 22:56.00 | cr2_ | only the usb and SD drivers are missing from what's documented there. |
| 22:56.13 | BabelO | cr2_: ok, with thing i post earlier ? rndis wm5 |
| 22:56.13 | cr2_ | hmm. and LCD init. |
| 22:56.37 | cr2_ | no, it does not work. |
| 23:01.19 | cr2_ | good night |
| 23:02.24 | BabelO | good night |
| 23:11.50 | diogene31_ | good night as well. |
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