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02:11.05afromanhello
02:16.56afromanI had a question. the installation of linux on htc, does it work as a stand-alone OS or is it like a program running on windows mobile?
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02:26.19afromanI had a question. the installation of linux on htc, does it work as a stand-alone OS or is it like a program running on windows mobile?
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04:25.15Marexafroman, standalone OS
04:25.20Marexobviously
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10:03.53BabelO_hi
10:20.09BabelO_dcordes, AlGe : http://linuxbox2.free.fr/blueangel/qtopia/ <- new one with new tools
10:21.21BabelO_if you can look at filemanager , i m curious what it is :) else i try this evening
10:31.59AlGeHi, Babelo
10:57.23BabelO_hi AlGe
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11:15.29AlGeimage boots now ...
11:17.55AlGe... this time without "no network" error
11:19.02AlGeand the new filemanager works (and plays now an ogg file)
11:50.04JEEBHello, has anyone tried any Linux bootloader on the W-Zero3 series or the EM-ONE series of newer Sharp PocketPCs yet?
12:18.47AlGeBabelO: qterminal seems to be almost unasable and crashes the qpe server after minimal use ...
12:19.13AlGes/unasable/unusable/
12:20.44AlGeafter rebooting, I had the strange result, that the boot process stops before the initial boot splash appears and the device gets powered off
12:31.58AlGestarted again with a new formatted card, still cant get after the first second of angstrom boot splash screen, devies dies simply there and powers off
12:35.35AlGe... ok, battery was empty, now also wince doesnt power on
12:47.42AlGenow it powers on again, but "no network" message and died quicklauncher
12:47.50AlGeif i start/stop qpe from ssh login, it doesnt hang completely but it also stops at "no network" display, but this time the clock-cursor keeps rotating
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13:13.56cr2JEEB: do they run wince ?
13:15.02JEEBMore like Windows Mobile, but I guess that's just a newer name for the WinCE series of o/s. I haven't looked at the hardware that much yet, but I'm tempted to get one used when I get back there.
13:16.58cr2ok, then just run haret on it, and post the haretlog.txt data
13:17.31JEEBOk, I'll probably have some Japanese people on 2ch that I can ask to do that.
13:32.43JEEBOk, now I just have to wait for results *sigh* Why did I leave there
14:01.13dcordeshi all
14:03.44BabelO_hi dcordes
14:13.00dcordesBabelO, I tried gprs out a bit yesterday. It is very strange: I filled in everything for my provider correctly. Then I told qtopia to connect, it showed online and G went white.
14:13.27dcordesbut then I tired to ping several websites in terminal but it didn't work
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14:34.11BabelO_dcordes: do you set your provider DNS too ?
14:34.54dcordesBabelO, yes both addresses they give
14:35.49BabelO_dcordes: if it show  white G it mean connected, so you get your IP address and gateway, after you have to check in terminal that route show default gateway for device ppp0 and /etc/resolv.conf is set with your dns, it is basic unix
14:37.27dcordesI saw route and ifconfig both looked normal
14:37.39dcordesmaybe it is qterminal breakage?
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15:11.24BabelO_dcordes: what is your route reutrn ? you see only one default , and what about /etc/resolv.conf ? does it conatain two nameserver lines ?
15:16.07dcordesBabelO, I can't block my SIM right now
15:16.09dcordeswill try later
15:25.55dcordesneeds extra sim
15:26.26dcordescr2, heard anything from dzo?
15:26.40cr2dcordes: no.
15:27.05cr2dcordes: you should keep some qtopia connection log for debugging.
15:27.12dcordesI'm still kind of excited about his progress
15:27.30dcordesdid kevin hear of the msm haret patching?
15:32.52BabelO_dcordes: anyway Alge do the test and it works for him too
15:34.24dcordesyea I guess it's my settings
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15:41.05dcordescr2, how would I keep a log of it? It's almost impossible to read iptables or anything directly
15:41.48dcordesroute I mean
15:51.35dcordesbbl
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18:51.38Servergodgot an xp box and an htc apache, anyone wanna play?
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19:03.39dcordes_Servergod, play?
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19:17.10Servergodumm just got the cli on the apache. busy box 1.3.2
19:18.21Servergodis there a working x server on the apache?
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19:40.15dcordes_Servergod, did you roll your own console image?
19:46.14BabelOjeanseb: around ?
19:46.25Marex~seen pH5
19:46.27aptph5 <n=ph5@p5485C587.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 2d 8h 37m 37s ago, saying: 'shouldn't modesetting be fbset territory for Xfbdev?'.
19:48.36jeansebBabelO, yes
19:48.51BabelOjeanseb: want to try ba and qtopia ? ;)
19:49.27jeansebwhy not, now i got two cards and a reader on my computer, url ?
19:50.15Raven-codaapt, what did you type to get that?
19:50.16aptACTION did you type to get that to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
19:50.17BabelOjeanseb: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/blueangel/qtopia/
19:51.26BabelORaven-coda: apt seem to be very clever ;)
19:56.35Servergodno, just got the image from the redirect from the xanadu page on xda-dev.
19:59.07BabelOServergod: http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/HTCApache/testimages/
20:14.47ServergodBabelO: thanks trying now.  just the tar.gz and teh exe right?
20:15.23patochecould someone tell me what kind of bot is apt ?
20:15.37BabelOServergod: yes, both on root of your vfat sdcard
20:15.57BabelOpatoche: apt is a timriker bot :) very usefull
20:16.57ServergodBabelO: Those are the ones that i have.
20:18.01Servergodmaybe i have the wrong launcher, gonna try the other one
20:18.25patocheBabelO, i see it's very usefull, is there any url where i can fetch info on it, i would like to use it on another channel
20:18.43BabelOpatoche: yes, wait
20:19.16BabelOapt: where can i find your url ?
20:19.18BabelO;)
20:19.31patocheBabelO, http://infobot.sf.net ?
20:20.13BabelOpatoche: no it is blootbot
20:20.35Servergodnope kernel panic on the nov 7 07 launcher
20:21.13BabelOpatoche: yes you are right it is infobot now
20:21.45patocheBabelO, ok thanks.... :)
20:22.07BabelO~x fr en patoche : de rien
20:22.30patoche:)
20:22.37BabelOlol, i m not full english compatible
20:23.09patoche~x fr en BabelO : moi non plus ;)
20:25.52dcordes_lol shouldn't this be "me n'either"
20:25.59dcordes_~lart apt
20:26.00aptfollow's dcordes_ with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION
20:26.33patochelol
20:26.33BabelO~wtf gpe
20:26.35dcordes_~x en de gauntlet
20:26.40dcordes_haha
20:26.43dcordes_that's awesome
20:28.37Servergodwow i suck. root of the card. Duh, thanks BabelO
20:29.13BabelOServergod: is it ok now ?
20:29.27Servergodmoving the files now, will launch in a sec.
20:31.36ServergodCreating 100 meg root file.
20:32.24ServergodWRiting superblocks
20:32.37BabelOgood ;)
20:32.54BabelOpatoche: looking for htc device ?
20:33.03cr2kiozen: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2008-March/008568.html
20:34.36Servergodgpe 2.7!
20:35.27BabelOServergod: so it is ok :)
20:36.55Servergodyeah, just did root passwd and a user
20:47.18patocheBabelO, i have a wizard one
20:47.49BabelOpatoche: ah :( i ve a kernel if you want to try, or maybe LunohoD have a more recent
20:48.33patochei have tried the lunohod one but i'm not kernel hacker to speed up the process :(
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20:49.24BabelOpatoche: ok, once we get ts working then we can do more thing
20:53.12patocheBabelO, if you want devs and testers about wizard, there are ones on #linwizard too ;)
21:01.24BabelOpatoche: i know, i send my spi driver to them :), but doing other thing right now
21:01.48BabelOcr2: do you have pcmcia wifi on on of your laptop ?
21:09.08cr2yes
21:09.30cr2cardbus
21:09.47cr2can't make my 16bit pcmcia card work.
21:10.12cr2T-mob sinus-111 card
21:11.28cr2it must be some prism card, but it does not work.
21:12.22cr2pccard: PCMCIA card inserted into slot 0
21:12.23cr2pcmcia: registering new device pcmcia0.0
21:12.34BabelOcr2: ndiswrapper ?
21:13.18BabelOcr2: i m looking at acx100, because on ba i ve to insert card to powered it on :(
21:15.35cr2i don't use any binary drivers.
21:15.43cr2in principle.
21:15.54BabelOcr2: ok
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21:17.03BabelOcr2: what is better for acx100 merge use mac80211 or the standard ?
21:17.47cr2don't know
21:18.19cr2i think the most important is to create a clean patch for 'memory' and 'cs' acx100
21:18.34cr2and submit it upstream
21:18.53cr2the 'sdio' one comes soon. should be similar to 'cs'
21:19.00BabelOcr2: yes agree, that is why i want to merge, to see if it works
21:19.10cr2with the firmware update and hwaddr change capability
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21:19.57cr2they should not think that the world is limited by pci and usb.
21:26.35BabelOcr2: just using kompare between our version and 20080210
21:36.09TimRikerBabelO: apt is now an infobot. blootbot merged back into the SF infobot project.
21:36.38BabelOTimRiker: ok, that is what i see on wiki page
21:36.43TimRiker:)
21:37.04TimRikerwe delared the old tree dead, moved bloot over and are moving forward from there.
21:37.09BabelOTimRiker: can we learn apt some things like HOWTO setup gpe on mobile phone or what is gpe ?
21:37.21TimRikerapt: gpe?
21:37.22apthmm... gpe is the Great Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.linuxtogo.org - Join #gpe to chat about it.
21:37.28TimRikerlike that?
21:37.40TimRikerapt: literal gpe
21:37.40apt"gpe" is "the Great Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.linuxtogo.org - Join #gpe to chat about it."
21:38.04cr2apt: qtopia
21:38.05aptit has been said that qtopia is Trolltech's comprehensive application platform for embedded Linux based PDAs, mobile phones, web pads, and other mobile computing devices. Engineered in Brisbane Australia. http://qtopia.net | #qtopia
21:38.12TimRikerif the bot does now know something, you can teach it.
21:38.19cr2ok
21:38.22TimRiker~BabelO
21:38.29cr2qpt: qlandkarte
21:38.33cr2apt: qlandkarte
21:38.40TimRikerapt: BabelO is someone that hangs on #htc-linux
21:38.41aptTimRiker: okay
21:38.45TimRikerapt: BabelO?
21:38.46aptwell, babelo is someone that hangs on #htc-linux
21:38.47BabelOTimRiker: ah ok that was literal
21:39.11Marexcr2, can you merge two very simple patches for me ?
21:39.21TimRiker"literal" shows the text without the variable "extra, extra," etc embellishments.
21:39.26BabelOTimRiker: ok thanks
21:39.39TimRikernp. msg "help" to the bot to learn more.
21:39.45cr2Marex: if the make sense :)
21:39.53BabelOTimRiker: does google works like this too ? i ve tried it , but can't get it working
21:40.21BabelOTimRiker: already tried help on apt private msg, but did not help enough like you do
21:40.27BabelOTimRiker: thanks for your help
21:41.05Marexcr2, check your email, thanks :)
21:43.33cr2Marex: htcsable_rom ? shouldn't it be htcbeetles_rom ?
21:44.17Marexwhoops
21:44.22Marexsorry, drop that one
21:44.32Marexyou have that G4 on sable
21:44.47cr2Marex: i'll look at the source, and try to compile the sable kernel.
21:44.56TimRikergoogle interface on the bot is broken. patches welcome.
21:45.01cr2unfortunately the linload.exe is broken.
21:45.05Marexjust commit that one converting data type
21:45.18Marexthat _rom patch will have to be redone
21:45.19cr2yes, sable had g4
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21:49.52cr2Marex: i#ll commit several patches now.
21:50.00Marexcr2, which ones ?
21:50.16cr2Marex: can you check the wm* for n560 ?
21:50.23cr2eventually
21:50.35cr2mostly the n560 patches, and also yours.
21:50.49MarexI'll send you one new
21:51.14cr2ok, i'm compiling the sable kernel
21:51.32Marexok, I sent you new patch
21:51.37Marexplease try that one
21:52.05Marexand drop that _rom patch ... it has to be fixed, Im writing that down about the G4
21:52.16Marexmaybe just using different map will be fine
21:52.44cr2arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcsable/htcsable.c: In function ‘htcsable_map_io’:
21:52.44cr2arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcsable/htcsable.c:267: warning: unused variable ‘sport’
21:52.52Marexyup, I know about that
21:53.04Marexnot my work ;)
21:53.35cr2ok.
21:54.12Marexcr2, tell me then which patches you commited for sable so I can sync what I have here
21:54.21MarexIm falling into terrible mess
21:54.28cr2the asic3 gpio setup needs to be more   verbose.
21:54.30cr2ok.
21:54.46cr2i just want to be sure that everything compiles.
21:54.53Marexsure
21:54.55Marexit does ;D
21:55.13Marexnot sure about the last patch I sent you
21:55.19Marexbut the rest should compile
21:55.33cr2well, the tagged haret 0.4.8 and 0.5.0 didn't compile for me.
21:55.50MarexI see ... hehe :)
21:56.13Marexhtcsable_asic should be rewritten
21:56.31Marexthough I have no idea what is the latest and coolest way in setting asic3 gpios
21:56.46cr2lcd is a module ?
21:56.57Marexnah, just external file
21:57.09Marexsomeone probably wanted to keep it separate
21:57.19cr2i think the .init gpios should be named
21:57.35cr2i'm pretty sure there are a lot of unneeded pins there.
21:57.50cr2it is so on the universal, waiting for a cleanup.
21:57.53Marexthere are loads of weird code in sable
21:58.19Marexyup, Im going to do the cleanup right after all this patching is settled
21:58.22cr2it's mostly a verbatim copy of the universal at that time, hacked to support sable
21:58.35Marexcr2, it's not only LCD
21:58.41Marexalso some other pieces were the same
21:58.52Marexiirc _buttons _kbd and something more
21:59.00MarexI dropped them all :D
21:59.15cr2hm. the sable rom code is ok.
21:59.24cr2it's the IPL being mapped there.
21:59.38cr2the G4 IPL (0x800bytes) is mmaped.
22:00.00cr2but it's obviously not cfi
22:00.02Marexyup
22:00.11Marexmaybe I can just add beetles map
22:00.24Marexbut it'd be better to keep them separate
22:00.34Marexsince beetles can have partitions etc
22:00.48cr2_rom is not included in defconfig ?
22:00.58Marexno idea ;)
22:01.02cr2i've patched it, but it's unused
22:01.13cr2you'd patch the defconfig too
22:01.17Marexyou should revert that patch
22:01.39cr2the CVS should be a real working copy
22:01.41Marexyea I know, I need new defconfig for beetles
22:02.05cr2hm, sorry, i used sable.
22:02.17cr2so it's not your problem here :)
22:02.20Marexsable needs update too
22:02.45Marexthe problem is that device needs real cleanup
22:02.51Marexthere is really lots of mess
22:03.15Marexlots of code were copied from h43xx or something like that as I noticed
22:03.24cr2_rom for sable will be completely different from _rom for beetles.
22:03.30cr2maybe.
22:03.45Marexcr2, sure, then dont use that from patch
22:03.48cr2mostly universal i guess
22:04.35cr2Marex: i've added the patch, but think about creating a new mapping for beetles, in the beeetles.c directly.
22:04.46cr2and you need to find out the .vpp
22:04.57Marexthat's probably on asic3
22:05.36Marexcr2, I will write new beetles_rom.c , ok
22:05.39cr2Marex: just kill the 'buttons' driver ?
22:05.48dcordes_apt: pxa
22:05.56Marexcr2, sure, it already is in htcsable.c
22:06.00Marexcr2, the same code
22:06.14cr2ok
22:08.19cr2i think many files can go away.
22:08.30MarexI already dropped about three ;)
22:08.36cr2and if the asic3 is cleaned, then things will become much more easier.
22:08.51cr2ok, it compiles for me.
22:08.56Marexcr2, you dont have to tell me ;-)
22:08.58Marexok :)
22:10.34Marexcr2, btw. I think Beetles with Qtopia Phone will look nice on LinuxEXPO :-)
22:10.53cr2:)
22:11.01Marexcr2, dont you want to come to prague to see it? :-)
22:12.16cr2too far away :) and i don't have much fre time recently  :(
22:12.52Marexok, I see, I will send you photos ;)
22:14.24cr2Marex: committed
22:15.19Marexcr2, thanks :)
22:15.59cr2going on with n560
22:16.23Marexok, that will be nice to show on LE too ;)
22:17.18cr2it works.gps too :)
22:18.08Marex8-)
22:18.15Marexgreat job cr2 :)
22:19.12cr2btw, check if the n560 compiles for you.
22:19.17Marexok
22:19.20cr2hm. wait, i forgot the generic-bl
22:22.47cr2added that too.
22:23.01cr2let me know if something is broken.
22:24.26Marexsure, I will try in a while
22:24.53Marexbtw we can use qemu to debug doc g4 :)
22:27.26Marexcr2, I think I will go non-stop tonight
22:27.36MarexI will cleanup the beetles
22:30.42cr2ok.
22:31.09cr2Marex: there is some kind of readonly support for g3, g4 is only slightly different.
22:31.42Marexwell I have no G3/4 device anyway
22:31.43cr2it's just not tested, and has some minor hacks inside. the code is in ~/htcuniversal/docg3.c
22:31.48Marexah ... n560, ok I do
22:31.50cr2n560 :)
22:31.55Marexyea
22:32.14Marexcr2, maybe using qemu we can trace how to reflash it
22:34.44cr2.vpp is the most important thing for you now.
22:35.02cr2then it should be possible to flash beetles.
22:35.17cr2without touching the bootloader = harmless
22:35.31cr2g4 is much more dangerous to deal with.
22:42.00Marexthat was what I had in mind
22:42.08Marexyou can flash g4 with bootloader too
22:42.14Marexso it should be possible to do the trace
22:44.54cr2ok. but it's a very complex process, so don't have too much hope.
22:45.11cr2.vpp for pxaflash is trivial in comparison ;)
22:46.39Marexiirc the bootloader wrote to asic3 flash something pin
22:47.46Marexcr2, have you tried the leds patch ?
22:50.56cr2flash something ?
22:51.11Marexhuh?
22:51.19Marexwhat do you mean
22:51.20Marexah that
22:51.35cr2no, because you didn't provide the 'dump asic3' output for pwm, and the 'amber' led is just a hack.
22:51.55cr2what do you mean by 'asic3 flash something pin' ?
22:52.23Marexcr2, ok, I will fix them
22:52.40cr2'amber' led is a userspace issue.
22:52.51MarexI know
22:52.58Marexsorry for that, it indeed is red
22:53.05cr2you'd create a driver setup for left greed/blue , and right green/red.
22:53.23cr2look at the hx4700 and the universal code.
22:53.48MarexI have left green/red and right blue ;)
22:54.00cr2can you paste the gnu-haret 'dump asic3' output with all leds on ?
22:54.07cr2yes, no wifi :)
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22:54.40cr2when Kevin2 will be back, i'll port the asic3 code to mainline.
22:55.23cr2btw, you can pick my latest haret with the BT,IR and power control commands from jornada820/files/haret-w.exe
22:55.29dcordes_cr2, btw did Kevin2 hear about the msm development?
22:55.48cr2no, he just disappeared for Easter
22:55.58cr2i guess.
22:56.29dcordes_ok
22:57.09Marexcr2, how to make the blue one not just blink ?
22:57.53cr2check the led pwm settings :)
22:58.28Marex<PROTECTED>
22:58.33Marexso all three leds are used
22:58.42cr2Marex: i'll check the sable now.
22:58.59cr2what are the duty/etc settings ?
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22:59.18Marexxdadevelopers wiki is down
22:59.19Marexdamn
22:59.59Marexhttp://www.pastebin.ca/957393
23:00.03Marexled 0 is blue then
23:01.45cr2duty 1 is very short.
23:02.08Marexaha I see
23:02.20cr2you can set it to 48 with 'pfh' ?
23:02.40cr2the 16bit store.
23:03.22cr2your 'amber' led is on ? :)
23:03.29cr2and not blinking ?
23:04.16Marexboth red and green are on :E
23:04.23Marexand blue is blinking
23:04.29cr2which one is red ?
23:04.42cr2you can set the duty to 0 on LED1
23:04.59cr2or disable its clock
23:05.05cr2in CDEX
23:05.12MarexIm just trying to find out how to use pfh ;)
23:05.26Marexpfh 0x0c000008 1 0x0000 ?
23:05.52cr2need to check the xda-dev wiki
23:06.16Servergodbad ioctl for all interfaces lo,irda,usb0
23:06.31Marexcr2, it was down a while ago
23:09.14Marexarchive.org is ok :)
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23:10.01Marexcr2, http://www.pastebin.ca/957402 you sure you commited generic_bl.h ?
23:14.08Marexhttp://web.archive.org/web/20061231044122/http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ASIC3
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23:24.06Marexpfh 0x10000384 1 10 blue one
23:24.27Marexled 0 that is
23:25.35Marexled 1 - green
23:26.19Marexled 2 - red
23:31.02cr2Marex: good :)
23:31.26Marexshall I create separate htcbeeltes_leds.c or ... ?
23:31.45Marexcr2, http://www.pastebin.ca/957402 you sure you commited generic_bl.h ?
23:42.07cr2Marex: thanks.
23:42.14cr2Marex: i'm checking the sable leds
23:43.00cr2Marex: no green wifi :(
23:43.16Marexwell there will be one on GPIO probably
23:43.17BabelOcr2: merging mac80211 acx with mem and cs, will finish tomorrow with windows tools ;)
23:43.23Marexasic3 can handle only three
23:43.36cr2blue for both
23:43.54cr2no led for gps ?
23:46.03cr2Marex: the same setup as beetles :)
23:46.27Marexcr2, ok
23:46.38MarexI sent you another patch, apply that one please, should be harmless
23:46.45cr2so feel free to fix the asic3_leds
23:46.49cr2ok.
23:48.16Marexcr2, work in progress
23:50.12cr2fixing the generic_bl.h
23:51.13cr2fscking cvs
23:51.31Marex:D
23:52.11Marexcr2, also please try that udc, usb really is handy :)
23:52.19Marexand also you drop one more useless file by that
23:52.27cr2Marex: fixed
23:53.17cr2Marex: is it possible to use generic gpio api on asic3 ?
23:53.24cr2asic3 gpios
23:53.45MarexI saw it used on EGPIOs, but havent found anything about asic
23:54.03cr2pxa2xx_udc_gpio.h seems to be redundant
23:54.23cr2it's used on normal gpios, and cpld gpios. that's 100% sure
23:54.30cr2normal=pxa
23:55.13cr2i'll apply the patch, but you'd check the generic gpios on asic3
23:55.35cr2that will clean a lot of junk from many devices
23:56.14MarexI already looked on that
23:56.26Marexand was unable to find anything about it
23:56.40Marexalso Im a bit stuck with the red led
23:56.43cr2hehe. got a .rej on Makefile
23:57.11cr2ok. we should consider it as a TODO. together with a proper asic3 suspend.
23:57.27cr2with clocks.
23:57.30Marexbecause the patches werent applied in order they were numbered
23:57.41Marexso there will be some rejects
23:57.45BabelOgood night
23:57.58Marexcheck the difference in makefile, it's nothing big, just deleted one file from there
23:58.25cr2ok. fixed.
23:58.31cr2check n560 now
23:58.43cr2committing sable
23:59.48ServergodPeace BabelO, thanks 4 ur help

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