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00:06.26dcordes_sam1am: you can only look at obscure rows of numbers and tables
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01:15.26Relisyshello
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04:24.52fenixis anyone here actively working with the titan/mogul/ppc6800?
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05:37.08relisisany one awake?
05:44.08goxboxlivehi
05:46.21fenixi'm up.
05:46.51relisishi
05:46.57relisisthis is  linux for HTC?
05:47.12relisisthere is linux for pda?
05:47.14relisis??????????/
05:47.43fenixwow.
05:48.06relisis?
05:50.31relisisguys?
05:53.59fenixhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+pda&btnG=Google+Search
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06:13.23relisisi have a kaiser
06:13.27relisiswoudl it run on that
06:14.44goxboxliveno
06:15.06relisis:(
06:15.15relisisso many devices.. and this one would not work?
06:15.23fenix...wow. I thought htc made kaiser.
06:15.25goxboxlivecpu is diffrent
06:15.35relisishtc does make kaiser
06:15.42fenix</sarcasm>
06:15.47relisisheh
06:15.56relisisso.. shit out of luck?
06:16.18fenixI should have gotten a universal instead of a titan. :X
06:19.07relisiswow what a shame
06:19.14relisisi thought this device would work with any thing
06:19.21relisisthese damn new  7200 proccessors
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06:24.24fenixyou could always try making it work, Relisis
06:25.00relisisoh sure
06:25.14relisisit has no docs
06:25.19relisismake it work based on what?
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06:29.25fenixwell, if i knew that, i'd be trying to do it on my titan.
06:30.39relisiswell eventualy our devices  will turn old one day.. and all the software will supprot it :P  unfortunatly we will get new devices  and will have the same converstaion.
06:40.52fenixwell, by then, there will be android
06:40.58fenixwhich should at least give a base to go off of
06:44.10fenixwinmo is nice, but, i hate windows.
06:46.12relisisits not bad
06:46.17relisisi just flashed wm6.1
06:46.20relisisvery happy with it
06:46.24relisishtc clean no junk
06:48.12fenixwhose are you running?
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06:50.26maskedhi
06:50.46maskedwhere do i find the autorun.exe and haret nowadays?
06:51.35fenixhttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HaRET
06:51.42fenixnot sure about autorun though
06:52.31maskedcan't wait to use these new angstrom images and install e17 :)
06:52.56maskedit's a dream come true
06:53.22fenixthey wouldnt happen to have support for a titan yet, eh? lol
06:54.02maskedno idea
06:54.06maskedi'm using a blueangel
06:54.37maskedargh i'm just after the haret.exe
06:54.41maskedcan't find it
06:54.59maskedfoind it
06:55.02maskedfound it*
06:55.06maskedspoke too soon
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06:55.16fenixhttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HaRETDownloadSite
06:55.18fenixlol
06:55.20fenixlinked too soon
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06:57.23maskeddo i need to rename the kernel to just zImage or can it keep the blablahbalh.bin?
06:59.57maskedthis here is exciting stuff
07:00.21fenixi thought you had to rename it, but I dont know for sure, I have a phone that doesnt have linux yet :X
07:00.46maskedk i'll try and see
07:00.46maskedotherwise i'll have to rename it
07:00.48maskedooooh e17 can't wait.
07:02.02maskedworks as is
07:07.08maskeddammit
07:07.14maskedit appears the kb is stuffed
07:15.33fenixMSM7500 integrates an ARM11 application processor with an ARM9 modem processor, and supports embedded Linux, BREW, and other third-party OSes
07:15.36fenixlmao
07:17.08fenixi think i'm actually getting somewhere though
07:21.47maskedcool
07:21.59maskedit appears this image has no wifi support!
07:24.07fenixi never use wifi. lol
07:24.55fenixhttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCTitan
07:24.58fenixi have no idea what all that means
07:27.42maskedi use wifi addictively
07:32.22goxboxlivealso for wifi
07:41.08fenixi think it'd be easier for me to just skin wisbar to look like linux
07:41.08fenixlol
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07:59.07tuksedarawhat i need to run haret on my trinity?
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08:01.20tuksedaracan i boot linux on my trinity?
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08:58.50BabelO_rob_w: hi, are you around ?
08:59.44rob_wjo
09:00.02BabelO_rob_w: http://free-electrons.com/doc/linux_on_new_pda/img0.html
09:00.14BabelO_interesting to put it somewhere ;)
09:01.16rob_wis that your presentation ?
09:01.50BabelO_rob_w: no
09:03.24rob_wnice
09:04.58BabelO_rob_w: better howto is to do step by step in kernel like proc-arm926.S and so, but this is a good start
09:05.29rob_wits good to get the major projects named , like oe , handhelds or tuxmobil ..
09:05.45rob_wyet to start a port one needs tobe a real cpu guru ..
09:06.17rob_wfor example i am still stuck with my qualcomm nike .. not even booted once
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10:04.55BabelO_rob_w: you have your FB adress ? and use EFB ?
10:05.45rob_wnot sure
10:06.48rob_woh .. i got you wrong .. well i am not booting at all due to the lack of a kernel tree ;-)
10:07.19rob_wneed to find other qualcomm cpu devices and lign up a kernel
10:13.07BabelO_rob_w: did you try to check out android kernel and then apply Early framebuffer patch ?
10:13.19BabelO_it help me a lot to boot on omap850
10:15.35rob_wBabelO: point me to hte kernel
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10:28.52BabelO_rob_w: git clone http://git.android.com/linux-msm.git and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.haret/570
10:29.13BabelO_rob_w: i think you can play with pix_ko and pix_ok to move them around
10:44.02rob_whmm looks interesting
10:47.36rob_wi cant clone the git
10:57.12BabelO_rob_w: strange, this works http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=summary
10:57.28BabelO_then maybe just git clone http://git.android.com
11:00.44rob_whmm
11:08.09BabelO_rob_w: git clone git://git.android.com/linux-msm
11:08.14BabelO_that is the good one
11:35.45rob_wah right right git://  i need more git pratise *note*
11:43.34rob_wthis git  kernel is not yet inside oe .. maybe we want to add it as a possible kernel to the htcXXX Qualcomm devices
12:11.10PCrazeehttp://free-electrons.com/doc/linux_on_new_pda/img3.html <--- hahaha, i love this one
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12:24.20rob_wBabelO: the kernel looks like a vanilla kernel.org one ?!?
12:44.36PCrazeeis there a difference between the linload.exe provided by the cab installers for GPE, GPEphone or Opie? Or do they all just boot the linux that is on the 2nd partion on the sd card?
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13:39.54BabelO_rob_w: yes it is vanilla kernel, they want to add msm tree to main line that is why there is an effort on 2.6.24
13:41.43BabelO_PCrazee: no linload.exe contain zImage and an initrd so it can be same for all imageif there is no specific kernel hack needed for environment
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13:45.20PCrazeeBabelO_: ah, ok, so i only need to have one linload.exe and only have to change the files on the ext3 partion on the sdcard (or the sdcard), right?
13:46.03PCrazeethen i will delete some, atm i have one for each image i tried...
13:46.15PCrazeewill save some mb on my universal
13:52.47BabelO_PCrazee: i think kernel command line is embedded into linload.exe too
14:03.40goxboxliveit is, and be aware of that the kernel needs to have the same version as the modules
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14:53.09BabelO_http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-02-26.3432857449
14:55.10BabelO_Cr2 like this one when he come back ;) http://trolltech.com/wince/wince-announce
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16:08.06kiozenBabelO_: did you ever try the wince version?
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16:27.58BabelO_kiozen: no, i can't download it from work, too big file ... grhhh
16:28.11BabelO_if i bypass that then our administrator kill me
16:28.19kiozenBabelO_:  lol
16:28.35kiozenBabelO_:  I did a few weeks ago, but never tried it
16:29.20BabelO_kiozen: it should compile with standard msvc2005
16:29.50kiozenBabelO_:  don't we all use that ? ;)
16:30.25BabelO_kiozen: no i just recompile qt 4.3.2 / gdal /proj for mingw / msys
16:31.00kiozenthe way thru Stoney Gulch...
16:32.03kiozenBabelO_: GPSD gives me a hard time
16:32.31kiozenI still haven't figured out if GPSD is broken or if it is just my BT GPS mouse
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16:41.59root___hi
16:43.05root___are there some universal-users?
16:44.32root___i just bought one and i'm interested in helping
16:44.51PCrazeei have one
16:45.08PCrazeebut also only for 3 days by now ;)
16:47.14root___what
16:47.28PCrazeea universal
16:47.29root___os are you using
16:48.39root___i accidentally hit the enter-key
16:48.55PCrazeewell, i have tried those images available at linuxtogo.org
16:49.33PCrazeecurrently i have the qtopia and openmonoko (?) as well as opie installed
16:49.50PCrazeeqtopia and openmoko use images
16:50.21PCrazeeso you dont need a ext3 fs, opie is  installed on the 2nd partion on my sdcard
16:50.41root___i tried openmoko, but it is very slow and i wasn't able to install software
16:50.42PCrazeeat least thats the way they come from those images
16:50.55PCrazeeyou also got a german universal?
16:51.03PCrazeei had a problem there, too
16:51.04root___yes
16:51.24root___let's speak german?
16:51.30PCrazeequery then
16:51.57root___i also tried opie and gpe
16:52.01root___they are cool
16:53.23root___i wanted to write those bootloaders for the filesystems on my own
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16:54.01root___to boot them all, so i can experiment with them without always flashing the sd card
16:54.55PCrazeeas i said, the openmoko and qtopia use images for their filesystem
16:55.00root___what did you do to boot qtobia then?
16:55.13PCrazeeonly opie or gpe is installed on the ext fs
16:55.48PCrazeefor qtopia, you have to put the tar file to the root directory of your sd card, the fat partion (1st)
16:55.53PCrazeeand leave it packed
16:56.02PCrazeejust start the exe
16:56.16PCrazeeon the first boot, it will create the image used for the fs
16:56.25PCrazeeyou can see it then on your sd card
16:57.08PCrazeeqtopia.linux <-- 100mb, image with the linux file structure
16:57.35PCrazeei also wrote you some stuff in the query
16:57.43goxboxlive100M is starting to be a little short for Qtopia now, on other devices i have started to create 250MB images
16:57.58root___there is a problem with different languages than english i recognized
16:58.08PCrazeeroot___: exactly
16:58.14goxboxliveroot___: Have you read the README
16:58.19root___yes
16:58.25goxboxliveIt's mention there
16:58.40goxboxliveI have written that, this cab files are only for WWE edition.
16:58.42PCrazeegoxboxlive: i think there should be some system variable on windows mobile, that you can use for the "Program Files" directory of the language
16:58.53PCrazeei'll try to find them out
16:59.07goxboxlivePCrazee: certainly there is, i ave asked for help, but no respons.
16:59.17goxboxlivethx
16:59.19PCrazeebecause most programms for windows mobile install into the right dir
16:59.35PCrazeealso for the sd card, there should be one...
17:00.24root___i think it's quite easy to make an ext filesystem and copy the different os to it?
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17:01.39root___if just unpack the tar.bz's and copy them to the dev/mmcblk0p2 partition
17:02.15root___the linux loaders are programmed to boot from second partition
17:03.02root___if i got the source code i would programm to boot from different partitions
17:03.46root___are you using linux on your personal computer?
17:03.50goxboxliveroot___: source code???? It's plain open, use haret.exe and boot from what ever partiotion u like
17:04.10root___good to know? thanks
17:04.18goxboxliveand do not copy the rootfs to the sd card, extract it
17:04.32goxboxlivetar jxvpf {tar.bz2} file
17:04.58goxboxliveroot___: read the wiki at hh.org. There are several HOWTOS there
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17:05.36root___can you tell me how to boot with haret?
17:06.41goxboxliveroot___: no, as i said read the wiki at hh.org. There are a lot of good information there
17:08.09root___has somebody thought of buying something like this: http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.aspx?dpno=605833&store=onsale&source=bwbfroogle and booting from usb storage device?
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17:27.14PCrazeegoxboxlive: %PROGRAMFILES% should be the one for the "\Program Files" dir, %WINDIR% for "\Windows"
17:28.40PCrazeegoxboxlive: the strange thing is: when i install i.e. Opie, it asks where to istall it to, when i say "Speicherkarte" it really makes the links in "\Speicherkarte\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\BootLinux\"
17:28.52PCrazeeand not in "\Storage Card"
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17:38.44gershow to turn bluetooth on on universal-linux?
17:39.20BabelO_hi gers, qtopia image or gpe image ?
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17:57.03gersgpe or opie
17:57.34gersi couldn't find any information for that
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18:12.28BabelO_gers: you have to start hciattach daemon before
18:15.01jeansebhi
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18:27.59PCrazeegoxboxlive: maybe this helps: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa457915.aspx
18:31.10PCrazeegoxboxlive: all three dirs used by the cab installers are called different on a german device: "\Program Files" = "\Programme", "\Storage Card" = "\Speicherkarte" and "\Windows\Start Menu" = "\Windows\Startmenü"
18:31.58PCrazeeas far as i can tell from reading the ".inf File Example" all those can be handled by those variables
18:34.14PCrazeehope this helps, i never did any windows app, not to speak of winCE apps, so i can't tell for sure if it's the right info
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18:36.44PCrazee<cr2> let's define a common setup. <-- does this mean a common setup for services and so on for different "images"?
18:36.57PCrazeewhat is the right name for those anyways?
18:37.29PCrazeesorry for asking stupid question, but i only use linux on my universal for two days now
18:38.32PCrazeeas far as i can tell, gpe, opie and so on are different "window managers" for one distro, or are each of them a own distro?
18:44.32gersbabel: so i cant't work with hcitool and hciconfig, i have to
18:44.43gersattach the device manually
18:45.30gersi tried hciattach ttyS1 any
18:45.45gersbut no results with hcitool dev
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18:49.38gersthanks babel it worked now
18:56.03tsdogsgoxboxlive: install -m644  seems to be the problem, I changed the option to -m 644, can u retry qtroadmap install?
18:56.59tsdogsBabelO: hi, got news for me? :)
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19:05.27gersi want to download the kernel, do i have to download the whole linux/kernel folder?
19:07.37tsdogsgers: source?
19:07.55gersyes
19:08.11tsdogshttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel
19:08.23tsdogsyes u need the whole tree :)
19:08.26gersyes that's where i pasted the commands
19:09.00tsdogsyou'll need the cross compiler too ...
19:09.54BabelOtsdogs: not yet, i just prepare a test plateforme
19:10.11tsdogsBabelO: ok.
19:10.51tsdogsgoxboxlive: any news from ymerejt
19:10.57tsdogs~seen ymerejt
19:10.58aptymerejt <n=jerry@ip-217.net-89-3-217.rev.numericable.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 17d 20h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'goxboxlive: ~ping'.
19:11.21tsdogsI guess not :/
19:12.48tsdogsBabelO: did yourc colegue tell u anything new?
19:13.09tsdogsactually what I am missing... :)
19:14.49gersthe kernel source is applicable for several devices, isnt't it?
19:15.00tsdogsgers: yes
19:15.14BabelOtsdogs: he look more into it, it seem that all value aka samples, size of the window are too much low, need to increase them for performance recognition, that is why i want to provide him a test plateform
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19:15.52tsdogsBabelO: yes ok, that I found out by myself :) (kidding)
19:16.37tsdogsmaybe it's just my "great.. not!" hp laptop.
19:23.32tsdogsBabelO: btw, I changed the default implementation of euklid_distance
19:23.57tsdogsit was : result += a[i]-b[i]*a[i]-b[i]; in original code ...
19:24.51tsdogswhich I think it was wrong (for the papers I read, it shound be (a[i]-b[i])^2 so I changed it to: result += (a[i]-b[i])*(a[i]-b[i]);
19:26.37BabelOah ah he speak to me about this function he say " strange way to calculate euklid dist ... let see with test plateforme, but i have a bad mic
19:28.41tsdogsBabelO: I'm trying to find the papers which talk about it...
19:30.15tsdogsBabelO: it in this paper http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/qtopia/voice_control.pdf page 23
19:30.35tsdogs(13 if u follow paper pag nums)
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19:35.04tsdogshmm there is no mention about the sqrt though...
19:36.58kiozentsdogs: if you do not need the exact value you might want to skip sqrt to save cycles.
19:37.41tsdogskiozen: ha ok.
19:38.35tsdogsI've seen other formulas reporting the sqrt, but can't find any right now :)
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19:39.21tsdogsgee, so much reading for a formula :) http://sprg.massey.ac.nz/pdfs/2004_IWCIA_394.pdf
19:39.51tsdogsThis paper has demonstrated that a linear-time Euclidean distance-squared transform
19:39.51tsdogsmay be implemented efficiently in terms of computation using only integer arithmetic
19:40.02tsdogsIf the actual distance map is required, then a square root will be necessary
19:45.30tsdogsBabelO: I had also found this which is some how related: http://www.cnel.ufl.edu/~kkale/6825Project.html
19:45.40tsdogsit might be a reference ...
19:46.18tsdogsand there's the sqrt :)
19:50.56tsdogstime to go home. let me know how it goes...
19:52.22BabelOoups
19:56.24PCrazeeis there some bugtracking system for the hct universal stuff? or one for every "distro" (still don't know how to call them properly)?
19:56.30PCrazee*htc
20:02.00goxboxliveBabelO: didnt it fail with qa_configure?
20:02.16BabelOgoxboxlive: no
20:02.40goxboxlivehmm it does for me
20:02.55goxboxlivei think also pH5 had the same problem
20:03.34BabelOgoxboxlive: i do it from my work, let me try again, i clean it before
20:05.01paulproteusgoxboxlive, PCrazee, I did make phonetrac.asheesh.org
20:05.14paulproteusUnfortunately there's no git integration yet.
20:05.48paulproteusI will finish it tonight and add public registration.
20:13.20BabelOgoxboxlive: http://pastebin.ca/921068
20:13.47BabelObut my last update is a bit old, one moth or two i think, because i did not install monotone :)
20:14.34goxboxliveBabelO: hmm you got a bit longer than me.
20:14.55BabelO:) yes it fail in package... but it is not a big error ;)
20:15.03goxboxliveTry o just copy the 1.3.2.bb file to 1.5.0.bb file and rebuild
20:15.11BabelOok
20:15.40goxboxlivewe need x>1.4.2 to run qlandkarte, but AFAIK 1.5.0 is the last release
20:15.52BabelOok starting download
20:16.13BabelOconfigure ....
20:16.41BabelOfail :)
20:17.13BabelOgoxboxlive: ERROR: This autoconf log indicates errors, it looked at host includes.
20:18.07goxboxliveok, fails qa_configure for me
20:19.34BabelOgoxboxlive: hmm it look in bad path
20:19.46goxboxliveok
20:20.59kiozenBabelO, goxboxlive, I used gdal 1.4.2 to compile QLandkarte M
20:21.27kiozenthere is no obvious problem that makes 1.5 necessary
20:22.23kiozenhttp://pastebin.ca/921079
20:22.36kiozenthat is my ./org.openembedded.dev/packages/gdal/gdal_1.4.2.bb
20:23.14goxboxlivekiozen: 1.4.2 doesnt build for me either
20:23.32goxboxlivei ave exactly the same problem as with 1.5.0
20:24.19kiozenok
20:25.57kiozenI had path issues, when I was compiling that stuff
20:26.14kiozenI just don't remember what was wrong
20:26.58BabelOcompiling 1.4.2
20:29.16BabelOi just set --without-pg --without-geos
20:29.21BabelOand now gdal need curl ???
20:30.14kiozenyes, mapservers..
20:30.53gerswhat's the size of the kernel source?
20:31.08BabelOhumm, which version ? i have 0.7.16 and it seem libraries miss curl_easy_*
20:31.47goxboxliveBabelO: where do you set " --without-pg --without-geos" After bitbake ?
20:32.10BabelOgoxboxlive: in bb file with others
20:32.16goxboxliveok
20:32.38BabelOwe don't need pgsql on mobile
20:32.57BabelOdon't know about geos, but i think cr2 say something about
20:33.56kiozenno libgoes on my rootfs
20:34.39BabelOkiozen: ok good ;) i already set without in configure
20:35.11goxboxliveBabelO: Cr2 say so much. He say we just need a ncurser phone :-)
20:35.39BabelOgoxboxlive: yes and i m agree with the ncurses phone :)
20:35.45goxboxlive:-)
20:35.55kiozenbut wuth touchscreen support, please
20:36.47BabelO:)
20:37.21goxboxlivewell tscalibrate should be a good base
20:41.10goxboxlivekiozen: have you created a bb file for QlandkartM?
20:41.56kiozenlol, I am happy if I can compile oe from scratch again!
20:42.05goxboxlivekiozen: :-) ok
20:42.45kiozenmake systems exceed my mental abilities
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