00:06.26 | dcordes_ | sam1am: you can only look at obscure rows of numbers and tables |
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01:15.26 | Relisys | hello |
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04:24.52 | fenix | is anyone here actively working with the titan/mogul/ppc6800? |
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05:37.08 | relisis | any one awake? |
05:44.08 | goxboxlive | hi |
05:46.21 | fenix | i'm up. |
05:46.51 | relisis | hi |
05:46.57 | relisis | this is linux for HTC? |
05:47.12 | relisis | there is linux for pda? |
05:47.14 | relisis | ??????????/ |
05:47.43 | fenix | wow. |
05:48.06 | relisis | ? |
05:50.31 | relisis | guys? |
05:53.59 | fenix | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+pda&btnG=Google+Search |
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06:13.23 | relisis | i have a kaiser |
06:13.27 | relisis | woudl it run on that |
06:14.44 | goxboxlive | no |
06:15.06 | relisis | :( |
06:15.15 | relisis | so many devices.. and this one would not work? |
06:15.23 | fenix | ...wow. I thought htc made kaiser. |
06:15.25 | goxboxlive | cpu is diffrent |
06:15.35 | relisis | htc does make kaiser |
06:15.42 | fenix | </sarcasm> |
06:15.47 | relisis | heh |
06:15.56 | relisis | so.. shit out of luck? |
06:16.18 | fenix | I should have gotten a universal instead of a titan. :X |
06:19.07 | relisis | wow what a shame |
06:19.14 | relisis | i thought this device would work with any thing |
06:19.21 | relisis | these damn new 7200 proccessors |
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06:24.24 | fenix | you could always try making it work, Relisis |
06:25.00 | relisis | oh sure |
06:25.14 | relisis | it has no docs |
06:25.19 | relisis | make it work based on what? |
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06:29.25 | fenix | well, if i knew that, i'd be trying to do it on my titan. |
06:30.39 | relisis | well eventualy our devices will turn old one day.. and all the software will supprot it :P unfortunatly we will get new devices and will have the same converstaion. |
06:40.52 | fenix | well, by then, there will be android |
06:40.58 | fenix | which should at least give a base to go off of |
06:44.10 | fenix | winmo is nice, but, i hate windows. |
06:46.12 | relisis | its not bad |
06:46.17 | relisis | i just flashed wm6.1 |
06:46.20 | relisis | very happy with it |
06:46.24 | relisis | htc clean no junk |
06:48.12 | fenix | whose are you running? |
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06:50.26 | masked | hi |
06:50.46 | masked | where do i find the autorun.exe and haret nowadays? |
06:51.35 | fenix | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HaRET |
06:51.42 | fenix | not sure about autorun though |
06:52.31 | masked | can't wait to use these new angstrom images and install e17 :) |
06:52.56 | masked | it's a dream come true |
06:53.22 | fenix | they wouldnt happen to have support for a titan yet, eh? lol |
06:54.02 | masked | no idea |
06:54.06 | masked | i'm using a blueangel |
06:54.37 | masked | argh i'm just after the haret.exe |
06:54.41 | masked | can't find it |
06:54.59 | masked | foind it |
06:55.02 | masked | found it* |
06:55.06 | masked | spoke too soon |
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06:55.16 | fenix | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HaRETDownloadSite |
06:55.18 | fenix | lol |
06:55.20 | fenix | linked too soon |
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06:57.23 | masked | do i need to rename the kernel to just zImage or can it keep the blablahbalh.bin? |
06:59.57 | masked | this here is exciting stuff |
07:00.21 | fenix | i thought you had to rename it, but I dont know for sure, I have a phone that doesnt have linux yet :X |
07:00.46 | masked | k i'll try and see |
07:00.46 | masked | otherwise i'll have to rename it |
07:00.48 | masked | ooooh e17 can't wait. |
07:02.02 | masked | works as is |
07:07.08 | masked | dammit |
07:07.14 | masked | it appears the kb is stuffed |
07:15.33 | fenix | MSM7500 integrates an ARM11 application processor with an ARM9 modem processor, and supports embedded Linux, BREW, and other third-party OSes |
07:15.36 | fenix | lmao |
07:17.08 | fenix | i think i'm actually getting somewhere though |
07:21.47 | masked | cool |
07:21.59 | masked | it appears this image has no wifi support! |
07:24.07 | fenix | i never use wifi. lol |
07:24.55 | fenix | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCTitan |
07:24.58 | fenix | i have no idea what all that means |
07:27.42 | masked | i use wifi addictively |
07:32.22 | goxboxlive | also for wifi |
07:41.08 | fenix | i think it'd be easier for me to just skin wisbar to look like linux |
07:41.08 | fenix | lol |
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07:59.07 | tuksedara | what i need to run haret on my trinity? |
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08:01.20 | tuksedara | can i boot linux on my trinity? |
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08:58.50 | BabelO_ | rob_w: hi, are you around ? |
08:59.44 | rob_w | jo |
09:00.02 | BabelO_ | rob_w: http://free-electrons.com/doc/linux_on_new_pda/img0.html |
09:00.14 | BabelO_ | interesting to put it somewhere ;) |
09:01.16 | rob_w | is that your presentation ? |
09:01.50 | BabelO_ | rob_w: no |
09:03.24 | rob_w | nice |
09:04.58 | BabelO_ | rob_w: better howto is to do step by step in kernel like proc-arm926.S and so, but this is a good start |
09:05.29 | rob_w | its good to get the major projects named , like oe , handhelds or tuxmobil .. |
09:05.45 | rob_w | yet to start a port one needs tobe a real cpu guru .. |
09:06.17 | rob_w | for example i am still stuck with my qualcomm nike .. not even booted once |
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10:04.55 | BabelO_ | rob_w: you have your FB adress ? and use EFB ? |
10:05.45 | rob_w | not sure |
10:06.48 | rob_w | oh .. i got you wrong .. well i am not booting at all due to the lack of a kernel tree ;-) |
10:07.19 | rob_w | need to find other qualcomm cpu devices and lign up a kernel |
10:13.07 | BabelO_ | rob_w: did you try to check out android kernel and then apply Early framebuffer patch ? |
10:13.19 | BabelO_ | it help me a lot to boot on omap850 |
10:15.35 | rob_w | BabelO: point me to hte kernel |
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10:28.52 | BabelO_ | rob_w: git clone http://git.android.com/linux-msm.git and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.haret/570 |
10:29.13 | BabelO_ | rob_w: i think you can play with pix_ko and pix_ok to move them around |
10:44.02 | rob_w | hmm looks interesting |
10:47.36 | rob_w | i cant clone the git |
10:57.12 | BabelO_ | rob_w: strange, this works http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=summary |
10:57.28 | BabelO_ | then maybe just git clone http://git.android.com |
11:00.44 | rob_w | hmm |
11:08.09 | BabelO_ | rob_w: git clone git://git.android.com/linux-msm |
11:08.14 | BabelO_ | that is the good one |
11:35.45 | rob_w | ah right right git:// i need more git pratise *note* |
11:43.34 | rob_w | this git kernel is not yet inside oe .. maybe we want to add it as a possible kernel to the htcXXX Qualcomm devices |
12:11.10 | PCrazee | http://free-electrons.com/doc/linux_on_new_pda/img3.html <--- hahaha, i love this one |
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12:24.20 | rob_w | BabelO: the kernel looks like a vanilla kernel.org one ?!? |
12:44.36 | PCrazee | is there a difference between the linload.exe provided by the cab installers for GPE, GPEphone or Opie? Or do they all just boot the linux that is on the 2nd partion on the sd card? |
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13:39.54 | BabelO_ | rob_w: yes it is vanilla kernel, they want to add msm tree to main line that is why there is an effort on 2.6.24 |
13:41.43 | BabelO_ | PCrazee: no linload.exe contain zImage and an initrd so it can be same for all imageif there is no specific kernel hack needed for environment |
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13:45.20 | PCrazee | BabelO_: ah, ok, so i only need to have one linload.exe and only have to change the files on the ext3 partion on the sdcard (or the sdcard), right? |
13:46.03 | PCrazee | then i will delete some, atm i have one for each image i tried... |
13:46.15 | PCrazee | will save some mb on my universal |
13:52.47 | BabelO_ | PCrazee: i think kernel command line is embedded into linload.exe too |
14:03.40 | goxboxlive | it is, and be aware of that the kernel needs to have the same version as the modules |
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14:53.09 | BabelO_ | http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-02-26.3432857449 |
14:55.10 | BabelO_ | Cr2 like this one when he come back ;) http://trolltech.com/wince/wince-announce |
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16:08.06 | kiozen | BabelO_: did you ever try the wince version? |
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16:27.58 | BabelO_ | kiozen: no, i can't download it from work, too big file ... grhhh |
16:28.11 | BabelO_ | if i bypass that then our administrator kill me |
16:28.19 | kiozen | BabelO_: lol |
16:28.35 | kiozen | BabelO_: I did a few weeks ago, but never tried it |
16:29.20 | BabelO_ | kiozen: it should compile with standard msvc2005 |
16:29.50 | kiozen | BabelO_: don't we all use that ? ;) |
16:30.25 | BabelO_ | kiozen: no i just recompile qt 4.3.2 / gdal /proj for mingw / msys |
16:31.00 | kiozen | the way thru Stoney Gulch... |
16:32.03 | kiozen | BabelO_: GPSD gives me a hard time |
16:32.31 | kiozen | I still haven't figured out if GPSD is broken or if it is just my BT GPS mouse |
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16:41.59 | root___ | hi |
16:43.05 | root___ | are there some universal-users? |
16:44.32 | root___ | i just bought one and i'm interested in helping |
16:44.51 | PCrazee | i have one |
16:45.08 | PCrazee | but also only for 3 days by now ;) |
16:47.14 | root___ | what |
16:47.28 | PCrazee | a universal |
16:47.29 | root___ | os are you using |
16:48.39 | root___ | i accidentally hit the enter-key |
16:48.55 | PCrazee | well, i have tried those images available at linuxtogo.org |
16:49.33 | PCrazee | currently i have the qtopia and openmonoko (?) as well as opie installed |
16:49.50 | PCrazee | qtopia and openmoko use images |
16:50.21 | PCrazee | so you dont need a ext3 fs, opie is installed on the 2nd partion on my sdcard |
16:50.41 | root___ | i tried openmoko, but it is very slow and i wasn't able to install software |
16:50.42 | PCrazee | at least thats the way they come from those images |
16:50.55 | PCrazee | you also got a german universal? |
16:51.03 | PCrazee | i had a problem there, too |
16:51.04 | root___ | yes |
16:51.24 | root___ | let's speak german? |
16:51.30 | PCrazee | query then |
16:51.57 | root___ | i also tried opie and gpe |
16:52.01 | root___ | they are cool |
16:53.23 | root___ | i wanted to write those bootloaders for the filesystems on my own |
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16:54.01 | root___ | to boot them all, so i can experiment with them without always flashing the sd card |
16:54.55 | PCrazee | as i said, the openmoko and qtopia use images for their filesystem |
16:55.00 | root___ | what did you do to boot qtobia then? |
16:55.13 | PCrazee | only opie or gpe is installed on the ext fs |
16:55.48 | PCrazee | for qtopia, you have to put the tar file to the root directory of your sd card, the fat partion (1st) |
16:55.53 | PCrazee | and leave it packed |
16:56.02 | PCrazee | just start the exe |
16:56.16 | PCrazee | on the first boot, it will create the image used for the fs |
16:56.25 | PCrazee | you can see it then on your sd card |
16:57.08 | PCrazee | qtopia.linux <-- 100mb, image with the linux file structure |
16:57.35 | PCrazee | i also wrote you some stuff in the query |
16:57.43 | goxboxlive | 100M is starting to be a little short for Qtopia now, on other devices i have started to create 250MB images |
16:57.58 | root___ | there is a problem with different languages than english i recognized |
16:58.08 | PCrazee | root___: exactly |
16:58.14 | goxboxlive | root___: Have you read the README |
16:58.19 | root___ | yes |
16:58.25 | goxboxlive | It's mention there |
16:58.40 | goxboxlive | I have written that, this cab files are only for WWE edition. |
16:58.42 | PCrazee | goxboxlive: i think there should be some system variable on windows mobile, that you can use for the "Program Files" directory of the language |
16:58.53 | PCrazee | i'll try to find them out |
16:59.07 | goxboxlive | PCrazee: certainly there is, i ave asked for help, but no respons. |
16:59.17 | goxboxlive | thx |
16:59.19 | PCrazee | because most programms for windows mobile install into the right dir |
16:59.35 | PCrazee | also for the sd card, there should be one... |
17:00.24 | root___ | i think it's quite easy to make an ext filesystem and copy the different os to it? |
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17:01.39 | root___ | if just unpack the tar.bz's and copy them to the dev/mmcblk0p2 partition |
17:02.15 | root___ | the linux loaders are programmed to boot from second partition |
17:03.02 | root___ | if i got the source code i would programm to boot from different partitions |
17:03.46 | root___ | are you using linux on your personal computer? |
17:03.50 | goxboxlive | root___: source code???? It's plain open, use haret.exe and boot from what ever partiotion u like |
17:04.10 | root___ | good to know? thanks |
17:04.18 | goxboxlive | and do not copy the rootfs to the sd card, extract it |
17:04.32 | goxboxlive | tar jxvpf {tar.bz2} file |
17:04.58 | goxboxlive | root___: read the wiki at hh.org. There are several HOWTOS there |
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17:05.36 | root___ | can you tell me how to boot with haret? |
17:06.41 | goxboxlive | root___: no, as i said read the wiki at hh.org. There are a lot of good information there |
17:08.09 | root___ | has somebody thought of buying something like this: http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.aspx?dpno=605833&store=onsale&source=bwbfroogle and booting from usb storage device? |
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17:27.14 | PCrazee | goxboxlive: %PROGRAMFILES% should be the one for the "\Program Files" dir, %WINDIR% for "\Windows" |
17:28.40 | PCrazee | goxboxlive: the strange thing is: when i install i.e. Opie, it asks where to istall it to, when i say "Speicherkarte" it really makes the links in "\Speicherkarte\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\BootLinux\" |
17:28.52 | PCrazee | and not in "\Storage Card" |
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17:38.44 | gers | how to turn bluetooth on on universal-linux? |
17:39.20 | BabelO_ | hi gers, qtopia image or gpe image ? |
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17:57.03 | gers | gpe or opie |
17:57.34 | gers | i couldn't find any information for that |
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18:12.28 | BabelO_ | gers: you have to start hciattach daemon before |
18:15.01 | jeanseb | hi |
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18:27.59 | PCrazee | goxboxlive: maybe this helps: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa457915.aspx |
18:31.10 | PCrazee | goxboxlive: all three dirs used by the cab installers are called different on a german device: "\Program Files" = "\Programme", "\Storage Card" = "\Speicherkarte" and "\Windows\Start Menu" = "\Windows\Startmenü" |
18:31.58 | PCrazee | as far as i can tell from reading the ".inf File Example" all those can be handled by those variables |
18:34.14 | PCrazee | hope this helps, i never did any windows app, not to speak of winCE apps, so i can't tell for sure if it's the right info |
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18:36.44 | PCrazee | <cr2> let's define a common setup. <-- does this mean a common setup for services and so on for different "images"? |
18:36.57 | PCrazee | what is the right name for those anyways? |
18:37.29 | PCrazee | sorry for asking stupid question, but i only use linux on my universal for two days now |
18:38.32 | PCrazee | as far as i can tell, gpe, opie and so on are different "window managers" for one distro, or are each of them a own distro? |
18:44.32 | gers | babel: so i cant't work with hcitool and hciconfig, i have to |
18:44.43 | gers | attach the device manually |
18:45.30 | gers | i tried hciattach ttyS1 any |
18:45.45 | gers | but no results with hcitool dev |
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18:49.38 | gers | thanks babel it worked now |
18:56.03 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: install -m644 seems to be the problem, I changed the option to -m 644, can u retry qtroadmap install? |
18:56.59 | tsdogs | BabelO: hi, got news for me? :) |
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19:05.27 | gers | i want to download the kernel, do i have to download the whole linux/kernel folder? |
19:07.37 | tsdogs | gers: source? |
19:07.55 | gers | yes |
19:08.11 | tsdogs | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel |
19:08.23 | tsdogs | yes u need the whole tree :) |
19:08.26 | gers | yes that's where i pasted the commands |
19:09.00 | tsdogs | you'll need the cross compiler too ... |
19:09.54 | BabelO | tsdogs: not yet, i just prepare a test plateforme |
19:10.11 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok. |
19:10.51 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: any news from ymerejt |
19:10.57 | tsdogs | ~seen ymerejt |
19:10.58 | apt | ymerejt <n=jerry@ip-217.net-89-3-217.rev.numericable.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 17d 20h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'goxboxlive: ~ping'. |
19:11.21 | tsdogs | I guess not :/ |
19:12.48 | tsdogs | BabelO: did yourc colegue tell u anything new? |
19:13.09 | tsdogs | actually what I am missing... :) |
19:14.49 | gers | the kernel source is applicable for several devices, isnt't it? |
19:15.00 | tsdogs | gers: yes |
19:15.14 | BabelO | tsdogs: he look more into it, it seem that all value aka samples, size of the window are too much low, need to increase them for performance recognition, that is why i want to provide him a test plateform |
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19:15.52 | tsdogs | BabelO: yes ok, that I found out by myself :) (kidding) |
19:16.37 | tsdogs | maybe it's just my "great.. not!" hp laptop. |
19:23.32 | tsdogs | BabelO: btw, I changed the default implementation of euklid_distance |
19:23.57 | tsdogs | it was : result += a[i]-b[i]*a[i]-b[i]; in original code ... |
19:24.51 | tsdogs | which I think it was wrong (for the papers I read, it shound be (a[i]-b[i])^2 so I changed it to: result += (a[i]-b[i])*(a[i]-b[i]); |
19:26.37 | BabelO | ah ah he speak to me about this function he say " strange way to calculate euklid dist ... let see with test plateforme, but i have a bad mic |
19:28.41 | tsdogs | BabelO: I'm trying to find the papers which talk about it... |
19:30.15 | tsdogs | BabelO: it in this paper http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/qtopia/voice_control.pdf page 23 |
19:30.35 | tsdogs | (13 if u follow paper pag nums) |
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19:35.04 | tsdogs | hmm there is no mention about the sqrt though... |
19:36.58 | kiozen | tsdogs: if you do not need the exact value you might want to skip sqrt to save cycles. |
19:37.41 | tsdogs | kiozen: ha ok. |
19:38.35 | tsdogs | I've seen other formulas reporting the sqrt, but can't find any right now :) |
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19:39.21 | tsdogs | gee, so much reading for a formula :) http://sprg.massey.ac.nz/pdfs/2004_IWCIA_394.pdf |
19:39.51 | tsdogs | This paper has demonstrated that a linear-time Euclidean distance-squared transform |
19:39.51 | tsdogs | may be implemented efficiently in terms of computation using only integer arithmetic |
19:40.02 | tsdogs | If the actual distance map is required, then a square root will be necessary |
19:45.30 | tsdogs | BabelO: I had also found this which is some how related: http://www.cnel.ufl.edu/~kkale/6825Project.html |
19:45.40 | tsdogs | it might be a reference ... |
19:46.18 | tsdogs | and there's the sqrt :) |
19:50.56 | tsdogs | time to go home. let me know how it goes... |
19:52.22 | BabelO | oups |
19:56.24 | PCrazee | is there some bugtracking system for the hct universal stuff? or one for every "distro" (still don't know how to call them properly)? |
19:56.30 | PCrazee | *htc |
20:02.00 | goxboxlive | BabelO: didnt it fail with qa_configure? |
20:02.16 | BabelO | goxboxlive: no |
20:02.40 | goxboxlive | hmm it does for me |
20:02.55 | goxboxlive | i think also pH5 had the same problem |
20:03.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i do it from my work, let me try again, i clean it before |
20:05.01 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, PCrazee, I did make phonetrac.asheesh.org |
20:05.14 | paulproteus | Unfortunately there's no git integration yet. |
20:05.48 | paulproteus | I will finish it tonight and add public registration. |
20:13.20 | BabelO | goxboxlive: http://pastebin.ca/921068 |
20:13.47 | BabelO | but my last update is a bit old, one moth or two i think, because i did not install monotone :) |
20:14.34 | goxboxlive | BabelO: hmm you got a bit longer than me. |
20:14.55 | BabelO | :) yes it fail in package... but it is not a big error ;) |
20:15.03 | goxboxlive | Try o just copy the 1.3.2.bb file to 1.5.0.bb file and rebuild |
20:15.11 | BabelO | ok |
20:15.40 | goxboxlive | we need x>1.4.2 to run qlandkarte, but AFAIK 1.5.0 is the last release |
20:15.52 | BabelO | ok starting download |
20:16.13 | BabelO | configure .... |
20:16.41 | BabelO | fail :) |
20:17.13 | BabelO | goxboxlive: ERROR: This autoconf log indicates errors, it looked at host includes. |
20:18.07 | goxboxlive | ok, fails qa_configure for me |
20:19.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive: hmm it look in bad path |
20:19.46 | goxboxlive | ok |
20:20.59 | kiozen | BabelO, goxboxlive, I used gdal 1.4.2 to compile QLandkarte M |
20:21.27 | kiozen | there is no obvious problem that makes 1.5 necessary |
20:22.23 | kiozen | http://pastebin.ca/921079 |
20:22.36 | kiozen | that is my ./org.openembedded.dev/packages/gdal/gdal_1.4.2.bb |
20:23.14 | goxboxlive | kiozen: 1.4.2 doesnt build for me either |
20:23.32 | goxboxlive | i ave exactly the same problem as with 1.5.0 |
20:24.19 | kiozen | ok |
20:25.57 | kiozen | I had path issues, when I was compiling that stuff |
20:26.14 | kiozen | I just don't remember what was wrong |
20:26.58 | BabelO | compiling 1.4.2 |
20:29.16 | BabelO | i just set --without-pg --without-geos |
20:29.21 | BabelO | and now gdal need curl ??? |
20:30.14 | kiozen | yes, mapservers.. |
20:30.53 | gers | what's the size of the kernel source? |
20:31.08 | BabelO | humm, which version ? i have 0.7.16 and it seem libraries miss curl_easy_* |
20:31.47 | goxboxlive | BabelO: where do you set " --without-pg --without-geos" After bitbake ? |
20:32.10 | BabelO | goxboxlive: in bb file with others |
20:32.16 | goxboxlive | ok |
20:32.38 | BabelO | we don't need pgsql on mobile |
20:32.57 | BabelO | don't know about geos, but i think cr2 say something about |
20:33.56 | kiozen | no libgoes on my rootfs |
20:34.39 | BabelO | kiozen: ok good ;) i already set without in configure |
20:35.11 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Cr2 say so much. He say we just need a ncurser phone :-) |
20:35.39 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes and i m agree with the ncurses phone :) |
20:35.45 | goxboxlive | :-) |
20:35.55 | kiozen | but wuth touchscreen support, please |
20:36.47 | BabelO | :) |
20:37.21 | goxboxlive | well tscalibrate should be a good base |
20:41.10 | goxboxlive | kiozen: have you created a bb file for QlandkartM? |
20:41.56 | kiozen | lol, I am happy if I can compile oe from scratch again! |
20:42.05 | goxboxlive | kiozen: :-) ok |
20:42.45 | kiozen | make systems exceed my mental abilities |
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