| 00:04.10 | dcordes | rakeem: you can just put your Uni kernelmodules into BA rootfs and done |
| 00:04.22 | dcordes | of course you boot uni zImage |
| 00:04.46 | dcordes | bye |
| 00:05.31 | rakeem | That's still gonna throw me some curlies I reckon... I'll let you know... Later dude... |
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| 10:41.24 | goxboxlive | fix for compiling qtopia-4.3.2 from ljp http://pastebin.com/d3d55167d |
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| 11:04.24 | ljp | ok, i fixed it properly and should appear in the nest snapshot, depending on when it goes out |
| 11:05.29 | ljp | heres the proper fix: http://pastebin.com/d5ef5837f |
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| 12:18.13 | Peenix | #thc-linux :) |
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| 13:24.07 | okias | Any news about Kaiser? |
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| 14:08.32 | kiozen | cr2: I just had the chance to raid a Navtec car :) |
| 14:09.16 | kiozen | cr2: besides destroying their spy cam the gps receiver would have been a real gain :) |
| 14:09.27 | kiozen | but I am too nice |
| 14:24.43 | cr2 | lol |
| 14:25.08 | cr2 | i need to switch from sendmail to postfix on a new machine. what a pita. |
| 14:31.54 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: are you here? |
| 14:37.55 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: forget it, i figured it out |
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| 17:04.53 | diogene31_ | Evening. |
| 17:05.19 | goxboxlive | hi Dinde |
| 17:05.26 | goxboxlive | hi diogene31_ |
| 17:06.26 | goxboxlive | I am trying to make a useable Qtopia image for the mio, but BT isent working with Qtopia |
| 17:07.08 | goxboxlive | when i start bluetooth and it runs i dont get ant BT icon in the top bar in QTopia. With Universal we have it working |
| 17:07.49 | goxboxlive | diogene31_: when the gpsd is running and the gps module are loaded (but no gps application launched) is draining power |
| 17:07.52 | goxboxlive | then? |
| 17:08.50 | goxboxlive | or is it only draining power when we use it with in example roadmap |
| 17:10.30 | goxboxlive | cr2: i am not able to build gdal anymore |
| 17:11.40 | diogene31_ | goxboxlive: At the moment, as soon as the module is loaded, it drains power. But my tests tend to prove that even with GPS on all the time (except in suspend of course), the battery life remains of about 6 days. So I don't dig deeper. |
| 17:12.16 | goxboxlive | diogene31_: ok |
| 17:12.47 | goxboxlive | diogene31_: it seems like i am missing some power patch in my kernel. What do i actually miss? |
| 17:14.26 | pH5 | diogene31_: it's the old question. should we turn on the gps as soon as the tty is opened, or should we rather export the power switch to sysfs. I'm not sure. |
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| 17:17.48 | cr2 | pH5: gsm is a more difficult issue |
| 17:17.59 | cr2 | goxboxlive: 1.5.0 ? what is the error message ? |
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| 17:19.01 | pH5 | cr2: how? either you power on the chip with the tty like I do on magician, or you fiddle with sysfs files like openmoko does with the neo. |
| 17:19.26 | pH5 | sure, there are maybe some low power states, but that is highly chipset specific and probably accessible via AT commands |
| 17:19.46 | goxboxlive | cr2: what do you mean? |
| 17:19.57 | dcordes | hi all |
| 17:20.04 | goxboxlive | hi dcordes |
| 17:20.04 | cr2 | pH5: ok. |
| 17:20.14 | pH5 | hi |
| 17:20.17 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 17:20.32 | cr2 | goxboxlive: which gdal version does not compile, and what is the error message ? |
| 17:20.42 | cr2 | dcordes: got a hermes ? |
| 17:22.13 | goxboxlive | cr2: i build, wich version do i need for qlandkarte? |
| 17:23.01 | goxboxlive | 1.4.2 |
| 17:23.22 | goxboxlive | i started a build of gdal now, i'll pastebin the output |
| 17:23.44 | goxboxlive | itæs during configure, probably something i miss |
| 17:24.09 | diogene31_ | pH5: I'm pretty sure it's the sysfs solution which is good. Even better, from ymerejt work, we have a "power_driver", which takes the decisions whether or not a device should be powered on/off (think of gsm hooks provided for poweron, reset and poweroff). |
| 17:24.50 | diogene31_ | pH5: These decisions should be made in regard of a policy, exactly as cpu frequency scaling behaves. |
| 17:25.42 | diogene31_ | goxboxlive: Ha, a power patch ... you mean integration with power driver. It's not yet done. But it will ... |
| 17:25.51 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:26.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: 1.5.0 is the current version, and there will be 1.5.1 soon. i've hit an annoying bug recently |
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| 17:27.05 | goxboxlive | cr2: http://pastebin.no/3363 |
| 17:27.09 | dcordes | cr2: I can't decide between hermes and BA |
| 17:28.22 | pH5 | diogene31_: yes, the semantically correct thing to do would certainly be a dedicated power switching framework. |
| 17:28.23 | goxboxlive | i'll test 1.5.0 |
| 17:30.11 | goxboxlive | pH5: it looks like a OE bug right? |
| 17:30.20 | goxboxlive | cr2: i got the same with 1.5.0 |
| 17:31.17 | cr2 | ERROR: This autoconf log indicates errors, it looked at host includes. |
| 17:32.41 | goxboxlive | cr2: here is with the OE version http://pastebin.no/3364 |
| 17:33.17 | cr2 | package gdal-1.3.2-r0 ? |
| 17:33.37 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes that's the one shipped in OE, the other ones i have added my self |
| 17:33.57 | cr2 | what about 1.5.0 ? |
| 17:34.03 | cr2 | forget about 1.3.2 |
| 17:34.28 | goxboxlive | cr2: the same |
| 17:34.36 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:35.08 | goxboxlive | i think it is something i miss. Look at the end of the file and you see some complaining about the configure stuff |
| 17:35.41 | cr2 | the script does |
| 17:35.44 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.44 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.44 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.44 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.55 | cr2 | probably something slips through. |
| 17:36.33 | dcordes | http://groups.google.com/group/linux-msm-kernel/browse_thread/thread/4baaa276ca3f3fd2 no love :( |
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| 17:38.36 | cr2 | goxboxlive: can you pastebin the config.log ? |
| 17:38.45 | goxboxlive | hold on |
| 17:39.29 | pH5 | I wish there were cheap dual quad-core systems. |
| 17:39.37 | goxboxlive | pH5: thx |
| 17:39.51 | cr2 | hehe. |
| 17:39.55 | cr2 | Bitbake version 1.8.10 is required and version 1.8.9 was found |
| 17:41.18 | cr2 | 5257 packages |
| 17:41.38 | cr2 | i'm wondering how much of them are really maintained. |
| 17:42.25 | pH5 | good question |
| 17:44.27 | cr2 | glibc-2.6.1 |
| 17:44.30 | cr2 | not bad |
| 17:46.31 | rakeem | cr2: I made a USB host-host cable and tried on the Uni... |
| 17:47.33 | cr2 | in linux ? |
| 17:47.49 | cr2 | with the powered hub in the middle ? |
| 17:47.58 | cr2 | ah. host-host. |
| 17:48.14 | cr2 | is there any real linux support for otg ? |
| 17:48.31 | rakeem | Yeah, but with the power just coming from a DC supply... |
| 17:48.39 | cr2 | there are some drivers, but i've never heard about them in action. |
| 17:49.03 | cr2 | yes, i'm booting athena in this way. |
| 17:49.22 | cr2 | the hub has its own DC source |
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| 17:50.42 | pH5 | cr2: the n810 has otg support, not sure if that's a nokia hack or if it is in the linux-omap (or even mainline) omap2420 code. |
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| 17:52.34 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have bitbake 1.8.11 |
| 17:52.39 | cr2 | pH5: does it work ? and what userspace tools does one need ? |
| 17:52.43 | goxboxlive | pH5: did gdal build for you? |
| 17:53.03 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i've updated too. it shows that i didn't compile with oe for some time ;) |
| 17:53.12 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:53.15 | rakeem | The only thing besides usual power adaptor behaviour was some devices I tried prompted 'USB Reset' which seems to indicate it's reading the voltage shift.. |
| 17:53.38 | pH5 | cr2: didn't try, you need a special/hacked otg cable (one pin when grounded switches to host) |
| 17:53.49 | pH5 | alternatively, you can set host/client mode via sysfs |
| 17:54.08 | pH5 | goxboxlive: wait, let me find that window... |
| 17:54.23 | goxboxlive | good |
| 17:54.31 | rakeem | Damn, I'm on the Uni and the session's the wrong size.. brb |
| 17:56.11 | dcordes | cr2: do you know the softbank branded hermes? |
| 17:56.24 | dcordes | it's completely white / silver |
| 17:56.58 | pH5 | goxboxlive: didn't even finish parsing.. |
| 17:57.02 | pH5 | (yet) |
| 17:57.10 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:57.17 | cr2 | pH5: that's why i'm asking :) i doubt you can ground the pin 'yourself'. i must have a miniA-miniB cable somewhere... |
| 17:57.24 | goxboxlive | cr2: the config log is the same as pastebin |
| 17:57.32 | cr2 | dcordes: softbank ? |
| 17:57.44 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok, i'm recompiling the whole tree now. |
| 17:58.06 | goxboxlive | cr2: ok, it will take a day |
| 17:58.27 | dcordes | cr2: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120225136288 |
| 17:58.34 | pH5 | cr2: http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/maemo/2008/01/21/usb-on-the-go |
| 17:58.46 | pH5 | I didn't want to do that to my only micro(urgh)usb cable. |
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| 17:59.55 | cr2 | dcordes: they are so cheap ? |
| 18:00.06 | rakeem | Putty for CE is pretty cool... |
| 18:00.12 | dcordes | cr2: I almost got me one for 150€ |
| 18:00.22 | dcordes | was too slow and bid 149 |
| 18:00.58 | rakeem | And a couple of years Linux gets you pretty speedy on the Uni keyboard.... .-) |
| 18:02.13 | cr2 | "You can make cable yourself by practicing little bit micro surgery" |
| 18:02.45 | dcordes | is that a popular quote one should know? |
| 18:03.30 | cr2 | dcordes: soldering miniUSB is really painful. and those older ipaq-style things too. |
| 18:03.51 | dcordes | cr2: I soldered a lot mini usb for my zaurus yet |
| 18:03.51 | cr2 | and the connectors can't be opened ;) |
| 18:04.11 | dcordes | I just use present cables and rip off the platic |
| 18:04.17 | dcordes | connectors |
| 18:04.59 | pH5 | goxboxlive: I get "configure: line 22175: syntax error near unexpected token `else'" |
| 18:05.48 | goxboxlive | pH5: same as me then |
| 18:06.22 | goxboxlive | pH5: but it is finishing configure, but it is qa_configure that fails |
| 18:06.48 | pH5 | not here |
| 18:08.37 | pH5 | it's in the PostgreSQL checks somewhere |
| 18:09.15 | dcordes | cr2: do you have to do this http://blogs.forum.nokia.com//data/blogs/resources/300003/1512-n810_otg4.jpg in order to use htc's us bus? |
| 18:09.25 | dcordes | as normal host bus |
| 18:10.57 | dcordes | for the zaurus I take any standard mini usb cable |
| 18:11.00 | pH5 | dcordes: no, this is just what the usb standard dictates. but given that these cables are nearly impossible to buy, it should be software controllable somehow. |
| 18:11.18 | pH5 | (dictates for autoswitching) |
| 18:12.59 | cr2 | dcordes: athena (and n560) have usb host |
| 18:13.37 | BabelO | hi |
| 18:13.39 | cr2 | so you can just connect the stick/keyboard/mouse |
| 18:13.42 | pH5 | hi BabelO |
| 18:13.48 | cr2 | garmin gps receiver ;) |
| 18:13.53 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 18:13.58 | rakeem | Hi BabelO... |
| 18:14.01 | BabelO | cr2, pH5 so i can do same thing on artemis ( about OTG) i read the blog on maemo |
| 18:14.45 | dcordes | cr2: I tried connecting a usb mass storage device to kaiser with usb host adatpor |
| 18:14.51 | dcordes | from my zaurus. didn't work |
| 18:15.33 | rakeem | Here in HK all the shops sell dangerous combinations of weird connectors. I still don't get Firewire-USB gender-benders. Power? |
| 18:16.21 | rakeem | Do those USB Reset messages I got mean anything? |
| 18:20.36 | dcordes | lol |
| 18:21.04 | dcordes | in wince you just sit and stare what's wrong with your usb device |
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| 18:21.37 | dcordes | bbl |
| 18:23.34 | rakeem | I also connected my Blueangel and Tornado, both running limux and USB0 up (with tcpdump for good measure). Sod all and no reset messages either end. It seemed to be a wlan NIC, a host-host network cable, and a USB-RS232 thingy that caused the Uni to print the reset message (calmly, once per connect). |
| 18:30.06 | rakeem | same. urgh. thanks for providing endless distraction. -x- |
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| 19:13.40 | Cumulus- | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.40 | Cumulus- | In a statement released before a news conference in Redmond, Wash., the software giant says it is increasing openness in its computer operating technology to increase opportunities for open source software developers and to support industry standards. |
| 19:13.40 | Cumulus- | CEO Steve Ballmer calls it a significant change in how Microsoft does business. |
| 19:13.40 | Cumulus- | The company also says the changes will help it resolve a dispute with European regulators. |
| 19:13.40 | Cumulus- | this is excellent news :D ... *shocked* |
| 19:14.06 | kiozen | developer, developer, developer,developer, developer, developer,developer, developer, developer |
| 19:14.12 | kiozen | :) |
| 19:14.37 | kiozen | insane persons usually talk a lot |
| 19:22.37 | cr2_ | kiozen: developers,developers,developers :) |
| 19:22.49 | kiozen | :) |
| 19:23.05 | cr2_ | Cumulus-: kiozen has already implemented the GreenScreenOfDeath in qtopia :) |
| 19:23.17 | kiozen | lol |
| 19:23.25 | Cumulus- | heh. |
| 19:23.57 | cr2_ | kiozen: trolls made it green, or course. |
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| 19:24.36 | kiozen | if they would make it red too many developers would smash their device |
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| 19:29.42 | pH5 | goxboxlive: gdal 1.3.2 configure.in is just completely broken. can you prepare an updated recipe for 1.5.0? |
| 19:29.43 | pH5 | http://en.pastebin.ca/912985 |
| 19:36.09 | goxboxlive | pH5: 1.5.0 doesnt build either |
| 19:36.31 | goxboxlive | i just copied the 1.3.2 bb file to 1.5.0 bb and same happends. It woked before |
| 19:38.10 | cr2_ | kiozen: can you forward this patch to the gdal ML ? i think you are subscribed there. |
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| 19:47.34 | cr2_ | pH5: is it possible to redirect oe fetches over squid ? |
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| 19:57.01 | pH5 | goxboxlive: the configure.in breakage is in the tar.gz that I downloaded from http://www.gdal.org/dl/gdal-1.3.2.tar.gz, I don't understand how this could have worked before. |
| 19:57.13 | pH5 | cr2_: you mean the stuff fetched from CVS_TARBALL_STASH? |
| 19:57.48 | cr2_ | pH5: i'm compiling on a machine without a direct inet link |
| 19:58.16 | goxboxlive | pH5: well it did, but i deleted my tmp directory and started anew one because of a crash i had. And i am using the same tar ball as last time since i store them in my source directory. |
| 19:58.37 | pH5 | I'm no squid hero, and some of the downloads are git or svn fetches... |
| 19:59.27 | pH5 | with that patch compiling gdal works, but it bombs out during QA |
| 19:59.42 | pH5 | package gdal contains bad RPATH ... |
| 20:00.44 | pH5 | hm... |
| 20:00.45 | pH5 | Unknown Event: ['bb.msg.MsgFatal', {'_message': 'QA run found fatal errors. Please consider fixing them.', '_data': None, 'data': None}] |
| 20:01.09 | BabelO | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.20 | BabelO | cr2_: use a sock proxy :) then you can redirect all traffic through |
| 20:03.32 | BabelO | cr2_: look at dante |
| 20:05.10 | cr2_ | BabelO: compile it as a module ? |
| 20:05.32 | cr2_ | BabelO: i have running squid |
| 20:05.47 | BabelO | cr2_: i can 't and it is likz this since start :( |
| 20:06.10 | pH5 | BabelO: do you have a serial cable for ba? |
| 20:07.30 | BabelO | pH5: no :( |
| 20:07.55 | BabelO | pH5: is possible a dependancy failure ? |
| 20:08.11 | pH5 | can I see the diff? |
| 20:08.12 | BabelO | i mean tsc2200 is in mfd |
| 20:08.33 | BabelO | pH5: yes, i pastebin it, wait |
| 20:22.09 | BabelO | pH5: sorry for delay, diff was lon ;) http://pastebin.ca/913062 |
| 20:24.21 | cr2_ | BabelO: 'asset' partition is an ipaq thing afair. |
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| 20:25.32 | BabelO | cr2_: have to fix the mtd thing on ba, i know, i just copy the one from magician actually ;) |
| 20:25.34 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, http://pastebin.com/d3d55167d thanks |
| 20:25.56 | paulproteus | Pretty simple crack (-; |
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| 20:27.45 | BabelO | cr2_: it is like if device wait for a device init, but never occur |
| 20:30.34 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: have you tried to fix my branch to follow 4.3.2? |
| 20:30.57 | paulproteus | Not yet |
| 20:32.17 | goxboxlive | i have :-( |
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| 20:57.57 | tre9 | rakeem, are you here? I'm having trouble with GPRS on blueangel. Did you get it to work? |
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| 21:15.29 | pH5 | BabelO: no idea yet why that doesn't work :/ does it boot if you comment out the ts_device registration in tsc2200_probe completely? |
| 21:17.20 | BabelO | pH5: i ve to try that |
| 21:17.44 | BabelO | cr2_: wine is very nice ;) 3dmark03 test works well , i m very surprised |
| 21:19.06 | cr2_ | BabelO: sometimes i'm surprised that the obscure 3d stuff works very well in wine, but the basic commctrl things are broken ;) |
| 21:20.14 | BabelO | cr2_: yes i m running Half Life 2 with wine and all effect are set to high ;) so no need to buy cedega or crossover |
| 21:20.39 | BabelO | cr2_: what is your version of ida that run under wine ? |
| 21:22.38 | cr2_ | all of them work afaik. |
| 21:23.16 | cr2_ | it's only the leaking memory and crashing xserver in suse10.3 that is making problems with wine |
| 21:23.48 | BabelO | cr2_: i ve not that issue i use 10.3 with wine 0.9.55 |
| 21:24.15 | cr2_ | wine-0.9.44 here |
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| 22:23.24 | okias | Hi, i found this page: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=339745 , have Kaiser 3D support OR not? |
| 22:24.09 | Raven_coda | It has 3D support but it is a software driver and not in hardware |
| 22:25.16 | okias | Raven_coda: but, "( http://brew.qualcomm.com/bnry_brew/p...-303_Ligon.pdf ) says, that the MSM7200 is built on ATI Imageon architecture and should support hardware accelerated OpenGL ES 1.0 Common as well as Direct3D Mobile" |
| 22:26.00 | Raven_coda | right, it can do it if HTC got off their butts and wrote the correct drivers for it |
| 22:27.11 | Raven_coda | see http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351986 |
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| 22:27.32 | okias | Raven_coda: yes i seen this page :-) |
| 22:27.55 | okias | Raven_coda: but in linux is possible use hw 3D |
| 22:27.56 | okias | ? |
| 22:28.33 | Raven_coda | ah, not sure, I haven't see much on linux for the kaiser at all |
| 22:30.16 | okias | Raven_coda: after Google release drivers for MSM7200A, then will be probably possible use hw accel. 3d :-) |
| 22:30.40 | Raven_coda | yeah, alot of us are hoping to see android bring many drivers to us |
| 22:32.58 | Raven_coda | okais: are you working on Linux for Kaiser? |
| 22:33.57 | okias | Raven_coda: no :-) tomorrow i get MDA Vario III (Kaiser) :-) |
| 22:36.05 | Raven_coda | okias: nice, I have one, it's been a good phone ;) I'm hoping to be able to get Anroid to run on it eventually |
| 22:36.27 | okias | Raven_coda: i hope too :-) are you tested Call of Duty 2 ? |
| 22:36.39 | okias | *CoD2 on PPC ;-) |
| 22:38.51 | Raven_coda | raven_coda: haven't, I heard it runs fine though |
| 22:40.55 | okias | Raven_coda: on my Wizard CoD worked, but i cant find any message about CoD on Kaiser.. |
| 22:43.19 | tre9 | ~seen AlGe |
| 22:43.23 | apt | alge <n=alge@chello080109231226.4.uni-klu.teleweb.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 11d 1h 40m 59s ago, saying: 'sorry, but I have to leave (I'm ill since mid last week and it only slowly gets better (a flu)), bye'. |
| 22:44.11 | Raven_coda | okias: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=313116&page=3 post #26 |
| 22:44.12 | dje | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.49 | okias | Raven_coda: great, thanks :-) |
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