| 00:01.03 | BabelO | cr2: i m happy with omap :) lot of kernel work to do, but it seem i miss something about irqs, i ve a 50% working spi, but it seem it hang when i push screen, as some other driver when interrrupt occur, any iddea bout this ? |
| 00:01.04 | cr2 | on qlandkarte ml |
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| 00:01.54 | BabelO | cr2: yes qlandkarte ml is very active, i m happy to have gmail :) |
| 00:08.59 | cr2 | good night. |
| 00:09.43 | snakefreak | good night |
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| 00:26.08 | BabelO | good night |
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| 02:39.10 | CVirus | Can't I assign a key binding to lock the screen ? |
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| 06:40.51 | snakefreak | hi goboxlive |
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| 06:56.06 | kiozen | morning |
| 06:57.07 | kiozen | goxboxlive: did you see http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot.png |
| 06:57.26 | kiozen | the higher the elevation the darker the shading. |
| 06:57.44 | kiozen | does that match the real surface of Oslo? |
| 07:03.08 | goxboxlive | kiozen: looks good. The elevation is also correct. The funny part is that i am running a build project in that area :-) . So i quite familiar in that place |
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| 07:04.00 | kiozen | hehe, hacked into your mind :) |
| 07:04.17 | kiozen | it's currently 90m per elevation point |
| 07:04.55 | kiozen | couldn't find better data for Norway |
| 07:05.29 | kiozen | http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot2.png |
| 07:05.38 | kiozen | that is shadig with 25m DEM data |
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| 07:48.13 | goxboxlive | kiozen: look indeed good |
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| 13:20.09 | snake_afk | anybody knows how to install alge patches for his ba gpe images? |
| 13:20.30 | snake_afk | do i install them before first boot? |
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| 13:21.43 | snake_afk | ah ok i see. |
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| 13:57.43 | vessi | can someone help with assembler source of small arm binary blob filling memory with specified value? |
| 13:58.05 | vessi | i'm trying to find where kernel hangs |
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| 14:46.14 | snakefreak | hi all |
| 14:46.25 | snakefreak | anyone there? |
| 14:47.44 | snakefreak | i have problem. i reboot a alge gpe image on ba. do reset and disconect battery. |
| 14:48.16 | snakefreak | but nothing happens when i plug in the battery back. |
| 14:50.55 | snakefreak | ah its up |
| 14:51.14 | snakefreak | reset + power |
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| 15:41.39 | BabelO | hi |
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| 15:41.56 | snakefreak | hi |
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| 15:43.09 | snakefreak | babel do you have skills in gomunicator on ba? |
| 15:46.52 | snakefreak | when i start gomunicator i become error : can´t get mixer element ´phone´ |
| 15:47.08 | snakefreak | and i cant do calls. |
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| 15:56.02 | BabelO | snakefreak: sorry but i can't help on this, better to ask Alge |
| 16:00.33 | snakefreak | ok |
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| 16:10.40 | BabelO | cr2: do you know CUDA from nvidia ? |
| 16:17.49 | snakefreak | babel? how can i type ü on ba? can yo tell me? |
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| 17:12.22 | sddssdh | hey,vote in this sait please http://prize.zzl.org/vote.php?id=3300 |
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| 17:13.28 | kiozen | cr2: can do relief shading now :) http://www.qlandkarte.org/shot3.png |
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| 17:13.54 | kiozen | cr2: not as good as the original http://www.qlandkarte.org/winshot.png |
| 17:14.18 | kiozen | cr2: but they need 15 - 20 sec to render, I do realtime on a pc. |
| 17:14.47 | kiozen | cr2: I am curious if that works for mobile devices, too |
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| 17:18.33 | kiozen | cr2: for 90m DEM it does not look good. But you can switch via GUI between the shading from yesterday and the new one |
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| 18:19.33 | pH5 | agh, current git kernel on magician hangs/reboots somewhere in devicemaps_init(). mmu.c is like black magic to me :( |
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| 19:14.18 | dcordes_ | maybe it IS black magic |
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| 20:29.28 | goxboxlive | pH5: have you bought a Magician agani? |
| 20:31.03 | goxboxlive | s/agani/again/ |
| 20:33.30 | goxboxlive | hi ymerejt |
| 20:33.43 | ymerejt | goxboxlive: hi |
| 20:33.46 | goxboxlive | have you had any progress with the kernel or Qtopia lately? |
| 20:34.24 | ymerejt | goxboxlive: nop, currently I'm disassembling windows drivers ... |
| 20:34.31 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 20:36.04 | cr2 | ymerejt: which ones ? |
| 20:36.22 | ymerejt | cr2, rilgsm.dll at time ... |
| 20:36.28 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you include the M in your images now ? |
| 20:36.51 | cr2 | ymerejt: have you understood the gpiob3 logic ? |
| 20:37.04 | ymerejt | cr2, nop |
| 20:37.13 | ymerejt | cr2: it's why I disassemble ... |
| 20:37.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: what is M? |
| 20:38.30 | cr2 | qlandkarteM |
| 20:39.05 | goxboxlive | cr2: no, not really. I havent made any image for download in a while now. It was just for fun to test it. |
| 20:39.58 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:43.10 | goxboxlive | cr2: people are allways complaining at the xda forums so i got tired of all the questions. If i upload again i wouldnt say it at the forums :-) |
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| 20:44.12 | cr2 | lol |
| 20:44.31 | kiozen | cr2: did you see the screenshots? |
| 20:44.31 | goxboxlive | cr2: My wife has a Nokia 6500 (or something) with GPS. The gps on it is outstanding. It receive gps signals inside our house |
| 20:50.50 | cr2 | kiozen: yes. maybe we can add M to the OE files of tsdogs |
| 20:51.09 | cr2 | goxboxlive: is it agps or what ? |
| 20:52.13 | cr2 | goxboxlive: when i look at the OSM Oslo pictures, i guess nokia has no chance to sell any GPS services there RSN :) |
| 20:52.43 | kiozen | cr2: yes, but let's wait until it actually uses the gps receiver. |
| 20:52.50 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes i think it is AGPS. |
| 20:53.07 | cr2 | kiozen: why don't you want to use gpsd ? |
| 20:53.50 | kiozen | cr2 I probably will, just have no device to test it, so far |
| 20:54.22 | cr2 | ok. |
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| 20:54.52 | cr2 | but you can feed nmea logs to 'gpsfake' |
| 20:55.03 | cr2 | or something like that. |
| 20:55.37 | kiozen | there is still enought to do, so why waisting time setting up some fake system :) |
| 20:56.25 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:57.33 | kiozen | e.g. optimizing relief shading :) IMHO it should work on the Loox, not sure about some 200MHz CPU |
| 20:57.55 | cr2 | kiozen: but you want to use at at 100MHz :) |
| 20:58.35 | kiozen | I want M to power up the cpu on that occasion and to reduce speed right after it. |
| 21:04.51 | cr2 | i know. |
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| 21:39.13 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: http://git.asheesh.org/?p=qtopia_snapshot.git;a=commit;h=34c6e97b033fa7a487702dd4978f1651b490ac85 |
| 21:39.28 | tsdogs | bbiaf |
| 21:40.21 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: wow, great |
| 21:40.31 | goxboxlive | I'll test it |
| 21:41.51 | tsdogs | sure I wanted u to :) |
| 21:43.10 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: you need to add the dejavu_mono font, condensed makes the cursor position wrong (dunno why) |
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| 21:43.36 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: ok, i will, thx |
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| 21:45.01 | BabelO | hi |
| 21:45.14 | cr2 | tsdogs: the 12pt font is too big, but it's great to have the strings. now we need to think about the pois. |
| 21:45.16 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 21:45.40 | tsdogs | cr2: needs decluttering too :) |
| 21:45.51 | BabelO | hi cr2, kiozen maps with shade look very nice ;) |
| 21:45.53 | tsdogs | cr2: probably creating a pen should do |
| 21:47.35 | tsdogs | cr2: you know anything about DTW and HMM matching? |
| 21:48.03 | cr2 | tsdogs: no. what's that ? |
| 21:48.33 | tsdogs | cr2: HMM = hidden markov model (or something like that) |
| 21:48.59 | cr2 | no. |
| 21:49.01 | tsdogs | and DTW is some time shiifting window match |
| 21:49.06 | tsdogs | cr2: ok |
| 21:52.20 | BabelO | tsdogs: markov model is used in many thing like ocr |
| 21:52.36 | cr2 | tsdogs: are they used for speech recognition ? |
| 21:52.37 | tsdogs | BabelO: yes ok. |
| 21:52.41 | tsdogs | yep :) |
| 21:52.55 | tsdogs | I wanted to do a qvoicecontrol app |
| 21:53.33 | tsdogs | I have taken some code from kvoicecontrol and cvoicecontol, but it isn't working as I expected |
| 21:53.41 | cr2 | is there any free software in this area ? |
| 21:54.01 | tsdogs | cr2: there is sphinx but it's language dependent |
| 21:54.34 | tsdogs | cvoicecontrol is the best I could find, but it's old and not maintained anymore (still oss dependent) |
| 21:54.39 | cr2 | ok, i guess it's like the ocr. you need to teach the systems to recognize specific patterns. |
| 21:55.05 | cr2 | as long as you have raw pcm, the system does not matter. |
| 21:55.09 | tsdogs | cr2: well I wanted to create something that is on wince on universal |
| 21:55.22 | tsdogs | something like |
| 21:55.27 | tsdogs | voice tagging |
| 21:57.02 | tsdogs | cr2: I migrated it somehow to alsa. And it uses 4+ models for each tag. |
| 21:57.08 | snake_afk | anyoune knoes where i can find alge? he is on secound channel in irc ? |
| 21:57.33 | tsdogs | snake_afk: dunno try openmoko |
| 21:57.42 | tsdogs | or oe |
| 21:58.19 | tsdogs | hmm not there :/ I think he is not online |
| 21:58.33 | cr2 | tsdogs: do you know something about agg ? |
| 21:59.10 | tsdogs | cr2: I tryed qt4 with agg, but it's slow 'cause of the QImage -> QPixmap conversion |
| 21:59.23 | tsdogs | beside that not much |
| 21:59.39 | cr2 | i'm looking for a free implementation of something like http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~toby/alan/software |
| 22:00.16 | cr2 | lol. GPC Licencing Manager |
| 22:00.40 | cr2 | i'm always curious about the motivation of such people. |
| 22:01.06 | tsdogs | ljp: thx |
| 22:01.22 | cr2 | they publish the source code, but effectively forbid everybody to use it in any reasonable way. |
| 22:01.37 | cr2 | ljp: do you want the map of Brisbane for roadmap ? |
| 22:01.55 | tsdogs | cr2: I don't think agg is exactly what u need, though there is documentation on the site |
| 22:02.16 | cr2 | tsdogs: i got the feeling that gpc is part of agg. |
| 22:02.24 | cr2 | tsdogs: but agg is gpl. |
| 22:02.32 | tsdogs | yep |
| 22:02.49 | ljp | cr2: thanks, already have it. although it is not complete around where I live |
| 22:02.49 | cr2 | tsdogs: ok, i'll look at agg source. |
| 22:03.09 | tsdogs | cr2: http://www.antigrain.com/doc/index.html |
| 22:03.11 | cr2 | ljp: ok. you have a chance to improve it :) |
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| 22:03.57 | tsdogs | cr2: I don't see any poly match or so |
| 22:05.04 | cr2 | tsdogs: i don't think it's difficult to rewrite gpc. i'm just curious if somebody has already done something similar. |
| 22:05.06 | tsdogs | cr2: qt4 opengl extensions are nice :) |
| 22:05.21 | cr2 | seems to be a rather generic math problem. |
| 22:05.37 | cr2 | tsdogs: yeah, when you have hw support... |
| 22:05.44 | tsdogs | :) |
| 22:06.18 | tsdogs | cr2: is it for work= |
| 22:06.20 | tsdogs | ? |
| 22:06.33 | tsdogs | Non-commercial use of GPC (for example: private / hobbyist / education) |
| 22:06.48 | cr2 | tsdogs: gpl incompatible. |
| 22:06.57 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've found that http://www.cgal.org |
| 22:07.06 | cr2 | but it has some strange licensing too. |
| 22:07.19 | cr2 | at least the higher-level stuff |
| 22:07.27 | cr2 | then there is geos |
| 22:07.34 | cr2 | which is PD |
| 22:07.49 | cr2 | and part of postgis/gdal-ogr |
| 22:08.04 | cr2 | but i don't think geos can do such clipping. |
| 22:08.19 | cr2 | at least i didn't find it in the docs. |
| 22:09.09 | tsdogs | cr2: I have no idea on this. |
| 22:09.18 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:09.39 | cr2 | i think that for pois we need to look at the 'places' support. |
| 22:09.58 | tsdogs | cr2: CGAL is LGPL an QGL |
| 22:10.26 | cr2 | but it's some kind of addon, which is a bit broken and needs some merging into the core. |
| 22:10.59 | cr2 | tsdogs: "It is therefore not possible to build a program including GPL code and some QPL parts of CGAL." |
| 22:11.12 | cr2 | from http://www.cgal.org/license.html |
| 22:11.33 | tsdogs | if you are the copyright owner of the GPL code, you can amend the license by adding an exception allowing the use of CGAL with it |
| 22:11.44 | cr2 | and here are some 'QPL parts' -> http://www.cgal.org/Manual/3.2/doc_html/cgal_manual/packages.html |
| 22:11.55 | tsdogs | ok it's a mess :) |
| 22:12.35 | cr2 | yes, there is some shareware mentality behind ;) |
| 22:13.05 | snake_afk | i have a question can i download angstrom packages and packages.conf to sd card and install them them local form (on) the ba like install over web? |
| 22:13.30 | cr2 | snake_afk: ipkg install *.ipk |
| 22:13.30 | tsdogs | snake_afk: yes using ipkg |
| 22:13.58 | cr2 | snake_afk: but like with the rpm you need to resolve the dependencies manually. |
| 22:14.01 | cr2 | afair. |
| 22:14.25 | snake_afk | yes i know but he will depencies from web |
| 22:14.59 | cr2 | snake_afk: ipkg will complain about missing dependencies. |
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| 22:15.43 | snake_afk | complain? i dont know this word. any german here?^^ |
| 22:16.56 | cr2 | ~x de en beschweren |
| 22:17.10 | cr2 | heh ? |
| 22:17.41 | cr2 | BabelO: how does the tranlation work ? |
| 22:17.59 | snake_afk | thx |
| 22:18.33 | cr2 | ~x en de complain |
| 22:18.34 | BabelO | cr2: using babelfish website ;) |
| 22:18.45 | cr2 | weird. |
| 22:19.11 | cr2 | why doesn't it work in the other direction. |
| 22:19.17 | BabelO | cr2: but you need all the word, if you want grammar translate |
| 22:19.25 | snake_afk | yes i know. but i have complete angstrom feed inclusiv package list on sd. and like to install without web accces. |
| 22:20.14 | cr2 | i like recursive translation |
| 22:20.25 | snake_afk | because i cant connect with linux to my wlan why ever. and network connection sharink of win server 2k3 is not runnig correct. |
| 22:20.26 | cr2 | ~x de en beschweren Sie sich |
| 22:20.35 | cr2 | LOL |
| 22:20.46 | cr2 | ~x en de weight they |
| 22:21.09 | cr2 | yeah ;) |
| 22:21.17 | BabelO | apt: how does translation works ? |
| 22:22.02 | cr2 | ~apt how does translation work |
| 22:22.27 | BabelO | cr2: what is your actual computer ? do you have nvidia ? |
| 22:22.36 | cr2 | no. |
| 22:22.40 | cr2 | ati only. |
| 22:22.44 | snake_afk | babel why? |
| 22:23.01 | snake_afk | i had a 8800gts 320mb a short time. |
| 22:23.12 | BabelO | cr2: http://www.manifold.net/index.shtml |
| 22:23.17 | BabelO | snake_afk: just to use cuda ;) |
| 22:23.49 | cr2 | BabelO: i have nvidia on one machine, but always use the notebook as an xserver |
| 22:24.29 | BabelO | cr2: so you can use nvidia gpu for big calculation |
| 22:25.13 | cr2 | BabelO: http://qgis.org |
| 22:25.54 | snake_afk | yes gpu´s are very fast not only for gaming^^ |
| 22:26.05 | cr2 | BabelO: isn't it some bizarre vector fpu ? without any gcc support ? |
| 22:26.24 | tsdogs | cr2: u seend this ? http://www.gpsdrive.de/ |
| 22:26.47 | cr2 | BabelO: but you need to use asm to program it. |
| 22:26.52 | cr2 | tsdogs: too old ? |
| 22:27.11 | tsdogs | cr2: it's active on the mailing list |
| 22:27.41 | BabelO | cr2: more easier using http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_home.html than asm programming |
| 22:27.44 | cr2 | tsdogs: http://sourceforge.net/projects/navit |
| 22:28.03 | cr2 | tsdogs: http://sourceforge.net/projects/navipowm |
| 22:28.16 | cr2 | but it's win* only afair. |
| 22:28.36 | BabelO | cr2: nooo |
| 22:30.31 | cr2 | tsdogs: can you add qlandkarteM to your OE build script ? |
| 22:31.22 | tsdogs | cr2: I might try. isn't kiozen more indicated for this? |
| 22:31.29 | snake_afk | can i install ipkg packets local from sd without web acess install without ipkg complains about dependcies? (because i have all them on sd and he should install them |
| 22:31.42 | snake_afk | ) |
| 22:31.43 | snake_afk | ^^ |
| 22:32.06 | BabelO | snake_afk: yes it works like cr2 told you |
| 22:33.30 | snake_afk | i van read the anwser in the rows up^^ |
| 22:33.38 | snake_afk | i cant |
| 22:34.10 | BabelO | snake_afk: just use ipkg install *.ipk into directory where you put all ipk file |
| 22:34.31 | BabelO | or just the name of the ipk and it install it and dependencies automatically |
| 22:35.11 | snake_afk | yes i do but then ipkg say depency error (because no web acess) |
| 22:35.23 | tsdogs | cr2: btw, the OE is only building qtopia-core which is qt4-embedded, it misses all the qpe and pda gui stuff so I'd appear as a qt4 app. |
| 22:36.40 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:37.39 | BabelO | snake_afk: so install dependancies or try ipkg install ./*.ipk |
| 22:37.50 | tsdogs | cr2: it's easyer to have th qtopia_snapshot for building it. |
| 22:37.53 | BabelO | snake_afk: you need to be in directory |
| 22:38.08 | snake_afk | ok i will test. |
| 22:38.11 | cr2 | tsdogs: ok, it's how it is built now. |
| 22:38.25 | snake_afk | but first i will able to use my 4gb sd ^^ |
| 22:38.28 | tsdogs | ok :) |
| 22:38.48 | snake_afk | reboot into linux cya later |
| 22:44.01 | tsdogs | cr2: is this data usable? http://www.amazon.de/o/ASIN/3829731434/navit-21 |
| 22:44.43 | cr2 | tsdogs: in roadmap ? |
| 22:45.02 | tsdogs | yes or anywere. |
| 22:45.24 | cr2 | i think yes. at least the older (and cheaper :) versions work. |
| 22:45.25 | tsdogs | cr2: u think that migrating navit to qtopia is worth it? |
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| 22:45.56 | tsdogs | well 40 euros ain't much for a map :) |
| 22:46.43 | cr2 | tsdogs: i don't know its memory footprint. when we were taking about it with its author 2 years ago, he said that it's certainly not for a pda. |
| 22:47.37 | cr2 | tsdogs: it's enhanced with some 3D stuff now. |
| 22:47.47 | tsdogs | cr2: well there are openmoko, zaurus fic and so on screenshots. |
| 22:47.58 | cr2 | since it works on openmoko, we can ask. |
| 22:47.59 | tsdogs | even a BA |
| 22:48.15 | tsdogs | cr2: are u already in the mailing list? |
| 22:48.44 | cr2 | well, i know how copilot works on a780 ;) it's a real dog. |
| 22:48.53 | cr2 | navit ? no. |
| 22:49.22 | tsdogs | ljp: where does it segfault? |
| 22:49.38 | cr2 | tsdogs: even without decluttering roadmap is very fast compared to copilot. |
| 22:49.49 | tsdogs | ljp: I only tested it on qfb |
| 22:50.23 | tsdogs | cr2: ok, maybe a future work. |
| 22:52.09 | cr2 | tsdogs: qt4 port of navit for a desktop/notebook is a nice thing, that's sure. |
| 22:52.38 | cr2 | tsdogs: but i think that a fast pda program is better :) |
| 22:52.48 | tsdogs | :) |
| 22:53.43 | cr2 | and roadmap is really fast compared to everything else i've seen |
| 22:53.56 | tsdogs | cr2: well navit is in oe |
| 22:54.08 | tsdogs | cr2: what about qlandkarte M |
| 22:54.26 | cr2 | tsdogs: but it's gtk/win(ce) only |
| 22:54.44 | tsdogs | cr2: ok we have an openmoko image somewhere :) |
| 22:55.09 | cr2 | tsdogs: M is a raster map program. like qpegps, but with a much cleaner and better design. |
| 22:55.57 | cr2 | because it uses gdal. |
| 22:56.30 | tsdogs | cr2: ok, but vector or raster it does not matter as far as the experience and the functionalities are good |
| 22:56.58 | cr2 | you can't do route planning on raster. |
| 22:57.07 | cr2 | and search. |
| 22:57.20 | tsdogs | cr2: that's true :) stupid me |
| 22:57.24 | cr2 | otherwise it's looking better. |
| 22:57.41 | cr2 | actually one needs both. |
| 22:57.54 | tsdogs | well a combination would probably be good |
| 22:58.14 | tsdogs | that's why u wanted me to put gdal into roadmap :) |
| 22:58.24 | cr2 | i guess we will be able to combine the functionality. |
| 22:58.26 | cr2 | yes :) |
| 22:58.51 | tsdogs | we need to solve the projection and the zoom too |
| 23:01.00 | cr2 | it's the next step. |
| 23:02.38 | cr2 | utf8 for buildus, quadtile format for osm tiles, poi labels. that's my own priority list. |
| 23:03.45 | cr2 | polygon/polyline hard clipping by square. |
| 23:04.30 | tsdogs | :) all your work |
| 23:08.23 | cr2 | yes. quadtile format is actually there. but it does not fit into 1.5x1.5 schema, so i just need a better understanding. |
| 23:20.13 | tsdogs | ymerejt: I had gox image running for 1 night on my universal and killed my battery :) |
| 23:20.20 | tsdogs | killed = emptyed |
| 23:20.42 | ymerejt | tsdogs: yes I know ... |
| 23:20.48 | ymerejt | I'm working on it ... |
| 23:20.56 | tsdogs | good :) |
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| 23:35.50 | snakefreak | yeah^^ |
| 23:36.06 | snakefreak | alge gpe image runs on 4gig sd^^ |
