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05:20.06goxboxlivegood morning
05:25.04paulproteusMorning.
05:30.34goxboxlivehi paulproteusi have soe questions about git, but first i need to get a coop of cofee
05:32.20goxboxlivenow
05:32.43goxboxlivei tested to build for seperate devices and with shadow building that is no problem
05:32.58goxboxlivebut i thought of something about the ficgta01 branch
05:33.16goxboxlivewhen i checked it out it where u2date
05:33.58goxboxliveand if i commit my changes ti the branch will they be lost next time the branch ficgta01 merges with the qtopia-snapshot?
05:47.45paulproteusgoxboxlive, I'm so confused.
05:47.57paulproteusIf you commit your changes, and push, they'll be stored.
05:48.10paulproteusWhen you merge, if there are conflicts, you'll resolve them.
05:48.33paulproteusBut you always *merge* the 4.3.1-snapshot series in by hand - this is why I don't just overwrite/automerge.
05:49.30goxboxlivepaulproteus: ok, so everytime i do a merge ficgta01 with the snapshot i will have a conflict and have to solve them maually.  And if other are mereging they will most likely overwrite my changes.
05:49.54paulproteusThey probably won't overwrite your changes, and the snapshot may not have a conflict.
05:49.59paulproteusDepends how much you change....
05:50.15goxboxliveI have  changed a lot in the devtools section
05:50.23goxboxlivealso some *pro file and configure
05:50.46paulproteusAh, I see.
05:50.47goxboxliveI guss it best for me to create a developer branch then.
05:52.50paulproteusI guess.  Just try it and see - maybe the conflicts will be simple, and maybe you can just get ljp to accept your patches!
05:57.39paulproteusSweet, new snapshot.
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06:25.46snakefreakhi all
06:26.16paulproteusHowdy snakefreak.
06:28.32snakefreakdo you know about wifi in blueangel? anybody has it run?
06:36.09snakefreakiam happy! have a running gpe 2.7 on my blueangel. ^^ only wifi bluetooth and audio is not runing. ;-( but i think anyone can help.^^
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07:02.22kiozenmorning
07:10.32snakefreakhello
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09:09.18kiozencr2: would that work for mobiles,too? http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/powertop/
09:12.29snakefreaki tink there no big savings.
09:13.23snakefreaka intel pxa has a may tdb <5W ilde i think under 20% of the 5W.
09:13.35snakefreakmay=max
09:15.37kiozensnakefreak: if you want to have your device operating for hours to aquire data, you fight for every single mA you can save :)
09:16.32kiozenadditionally if you ask here what a single component consumes, and what operations are expensive in power no one can tell you
09:18.34snakefreaki know. but datasheets say a lot.
09:19.05snakefreakand i thin to underclock the cpu bring a lot of more saving
09:20.47snakefreakwhat device u use?
09:21.39kiozenLoox N560 (not a phone)
09:21.41kiozensure, but do you know if that work all time? What about some silly irq keeping your cpu busy all the time. Is it better to use  Blue tooth/GPS mouse or built in GPS
09:22.26kiozengoxboxlive is searching since days why the current kernel drains his battery
09:23.34snakefreaki cant answer my english is to bad. sorry
09:24.45snakefreaki think internal is better. when the enginer does his job good.    ?
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09:29.15kiozenSnake_freak: not neccesarily, a GPS receiver needs a quite strong DSP, the blue tooth component might need less current, but no one can tell for sure until there is tool to profile such things
09:29.56Snake_freakhm ok thats true^^
09:30.32BabelOkiozen: yes powertop works on mobile device; i ve tried it on ba few month ago
09:30.40Snake_freak1:0 for you ^^
09:32.15kiozenBabelO: and? Any usable output?
09:32.24kiozenmorning btw :)
09:33.05BabelOmorning kiozen
09:33.27Snake_freakmorning Babel0. do you know wifi usb host bluetooth sound is working on ba?
09:33.29BabelOkiozen: no really news with this tool,
09:35.06BabelOSnake_freak: hello, wifi , bluetooth, usb works on ba sound just miss recording, itis only thing remaining, . there is also stability issue like keyboard repeat and touch screen too
09:35.49Snake_freakdo you habe a runing image? and question 2. -->
09:36.32Snake_freaki use a 256mb mmc runing fine but when i use my 4gb sd i cant boot. i become many errors on boot
09:36.34BabelOSnake_freak: this is nice alge image with phone application running too http://www.algepop.net/users/alge/angstrom-ba/
09:37.17BabelOSnake_freak: and my images are at http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa, but not really stable image ;)
09:37.46Snake_freaki test them^^
09:37.47BabelOSnake_freak: ah, i never try big sdfcard, i have only 2Gb
09:39.14Snake_freakand she is workable? how big is your fatfs is it p1?
09:39.48Snake_freakor should i try to make ext3 on p1 and fat to p2?
09:49.14Snake_freakand usb host works? thats realy nice.
09:50.34Snake_freakso i can use external wifi card with own akku when i compele the driver.
09:51.39Snake_freakbut when the acy100 worgs good. i must do that.^^
09:51.55Snake_freakcya later all
10:05.16BabelOsnake_work: i have only one partition on sdcard, full ext3... there is no usb host on BA but you can use gadget like storage, serial and midi
10:05.27BabelOsnake_work: acx100 works well on BA
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11:47.25goxboxlivekiozen: the power consuption is ok now. I just swithed back to hh.org kernel (pathced though)
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16:19.29pH5hi dcordes
16:23.06dcordesdo you think it would help do access kaiser's serial port?
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16:48.15vekexasiahi
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18:02.29paulproteusMorning, all.
18:03.43diogene31Evening all :)
18:05.51Pryanhi all :o)
18:06.06paulproteusdiogene31, Did you get the git stuff working for you?
18:06.55diogene31paulproteus: Sorry, didn't have time yet. Perhaps later in the weekend ...
18:07.17paulproteusdiogene31, No worries.
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18:17.24Dreaddddddhi!
18:17.46paulproteusHi!
18:18.20Dreadddddd=\
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19:38.26rakeemAnyone mind if I ask for a little non-handheld linux help?
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21:36.29goxboxliv1hi
21:37.18paulproteush1
21:39.03goxboxliv1paulproteus: When i create a new branch, how much space do i take from your server? Is it a private server?
21:39.15paulproteusIt's my personal server, and branches are cheap, and I have lots of disk.
21:39.27paulproteus"cheap" meaning "git only stores the differences, not a full copy"
21:39.36goxboxliv1ok
21:39.56goxboxliv1paulproteus: but you have a quite fast internet line?
21:40.03paulproteusYes, but it's in Japan.
21:40.06goxboxliv1s/line/connection/
21:40.57paulproteusIt's connected to a 1Gb line to a fast ISP in Tokyo, and from then on it's however fast you can get to Japan I think.
21:43.54goxboxliv1ok :-)
21:44.09goxboxliv1and i think i have a fast line (20Mbit)
21:44.16paulproteusSymmetric?
21:46.26goxboxliv1paulproteus: no, asymetric (1,5/20)
21:46.43paulproteusOkay, whew. (-;
21:46.46goxboxliv1ymerejt: are you here?
21:47.55goxboxliv1(work computer). Going back to my linux laptop. bb in 1 min.
21:48.40ymerejtgoxboxlive: ~pong
21:49.57goxboxlivehi ymerejt
21:50.04ymerejtevening
21:50.16goxboxliveymerejt: i tested the hh.org kernel. and it still runs
21:50.34ymerejtwhat do you mean by still runs ?
21:50.56goxboxlivei havent charged it since last time i chat with you
21:51.09ymerejthow many hours ?
21:51.21goxboxlivethe power seems fine with the pacthed hh.org kernel
21:51.31ymerejtand how percent remaining ?
21:51.41goxboxlivenow, one bar
21:51.54goxboxlivei havent ssh it since i dint want it to charge
21:52.09ymerejtso it has worked 48 hours at minimum, isn't it ?
21:52.15goxboxliveyes
21:52.54ymerejtwhich hhxx are you using ?
21:53.00goxboxlivehead
21:53.08ymerejt19 or 20 ?
21:53.10goxboxlivewith your patches
21:53.12goxboxlive20
21:53.19goxboxlive20+ head
21:53.34ymerejtthe patch I gave you by mail
21:53.46goxboxliveyes, and the one you pastebin me.
21:53.59paulproteusBTW, with git-cvs integration we can actually maintain a git fork of the cvs kernel tree... (-:
21:54.18goxboxlivemaybe i should mail you all of them in case my computer crash or something
21:54.22ymerejtso one commit in the git repository cause the bug
21:54.29ymerejtgoxboxlive: yes
21:54.51goxboxliveseems like i am sitting on a gold mine now :-)
21:54.56paulproteus(-:
21:55.12ymerejtLOL
21:57.54goxboxlivesent
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21:58.10ymerejtgoxboxlive: thx
21:58.33paulproteusYay, I have 'em too. (-:
22:00.12goxboxliveymerejt: i tried compile the acx folder in the kernel of 2.6.16-hh3 date 02.07.2006 in to the 2.6.21-hh20+ kernel but it failed so much that i gave up
22:00.42goxboxliveIt was just to try to make the stabkle acx modules
22:01.42goxboxliveymerejt: i would like to commit something to htcuniversal branch. It's just devtools stuff, is that ok for you?
22:02.15ymerejtif it's clean of course yes
22:02.32goxboxliveymerejt: i have also cleanedup qalsamixer a little. Gave it a icon.
22:02.42ymerejtok
22:03.00goxboxliveymerejt: i cant say that it is clean. Take a look at he openezx branch.
22:03.30goxboxliveI want to make htcuniversal as it (mostly)
22:05.38goxboxlivei make a screenie to shoe you
22:05.40goxboxliveshow
22:05.48ymerejtgoxboxlive: I'm tracking the power saving problem now
22:05.52ymerejtgoxboxlive: OK
22:07.07ymerejtgoxboxlive: in order to be sure could you give me a tar.gz of you kernel source ?
22:09.51goxboxlivehttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/htcuniversal/screenies/new/sc_Fri_Feb_1_23.05.20_2008.png
22:10.01goxboxlivehttp://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/htcuniversal/screenies/new/sc_Fri_Feb_1_23.08.46_2008.png
22:10.30goxboxliveymerejt: the whole linux kernel? it's huge
22:10.38ymerejtmake clean
22:10.39ymerejt;)
22:10.50goxboxliveok
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22:12.42goxboxlivemake clean allwayd gives mean error
22:13.03paulproteusOuch.
22:13.38goxboxlivepaulproteus: it has since 2.6.16
22:13.55goxboxliveit's not just me, it just dont work
22:13.59paulproteusHah!  Wow.
22:14.24paulproteusWe call that "Kwality with a k".
22:14.45goxboxlivei think we should move over to 2.6 24 now. It exist patches, but i am not able to build it. I have manage to build 2.6.23 though
22:15.35goxboxliveok, my linux laptop goes warm now, when i am compressing the linux tree
22:15.52goxboxliveMybe i should buy me a new laptop
22:16.13goxboxlivei git a new one at work today, it's a killer
22:16.30goxboxlive20,1" laptop :-)
22:16.33goxboxliveit's huge
22:16.51goxboxlivebut the screen takes my breath away
22:17.30goxboxlivei told my nbosses today that i would remove winxp from it and replace it with linux :-) (not so popular)
22:17.34paulproteusWow....
22:17.41paulproteus20"
22:17.49goxboxlivepaulproteus: and it's heavy (7 kg)
22:17.55paulproteusGeez.
22:18.00paulproteusI have a 20" screen for my desktop.
22:18.05paulproteusIt's nice too, but I don't pretend it's portable!
22:18.13goxboxlivebut the sdisplay is so clear
22:18.22paulproteus1600x1200 is my display here.
22:18.53BabelO22" here 16/10 :)
22:18.55goxboxliveno, i just have it to barry it from work to my car and then to my house. In meetings i use my universal
22:19.02BabelOhi
22:19.05goxboxliveBabelO: a laptop?
22:19.15paulproteuslol, goxboxlive re: meetings
22:19.17BabelOgoxboxlive: no, desktop pc
22:20.51goxboxlivehttp://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m2010?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19
22:21.06paulproteusWhoa.
22:21.20goxboxliveI am using AutoCAD a lot so i need a big screen
22:22.57BabelOnice, but it is ati based :(
22:23.05BabelOgoxboxlive: what autocad version ?
22:24.04goxboxliveBabelO: They installed  2006 and 2008 on it today. 2006 for old projects and 2008 i am using for new incommin g prijects
22:25.14goxboxliveBabelO: i am also using an electrical plugin(?) on it (it's scandinavian MagiCAD)
22:26.32BabelOgoxboxlive: ok, i ve used autocad in the past, nice tool. also used Orcad and pspice :) but more electronics
22:26.46goxboxliveBabelO: yes it is ati, but i do electrical drawings,it's not that efforting
22:27.14goxboxliveBabelO: At the engineerings school we use oorCAD
22:27.38goxboxlivebut that is allmost ten year ago :-)
22:27.54BabelOit is a really strange laptop , have to see it in real
22:28.30goxboxliveBabelO: it's strange. I actually got it by a coovincidence
22:29.00goxboxliveI asked my boss if i could get a laptop, and he said yes
22:29.03goxboxlivebut
22:29.06paulproteuslol!
22:29.25goxboxlivei was more thinking of getting a normal laptop
22:29.59goxboxliveAnd the co workers said to me, you have a laptop at home why do yo want a new one (private one).
22:30.26goxboxliveI refused to install windows on it, thats why i want one fro work
22:30.43goxboxliveAnd my boss respected that
22:31.01goxboxliveAnd he told me to get one
22:32.17BabelOgoxboxlive: same here two computer at home, but nortel only provide vpn software access for free on windows host.  but found a nicer solution to connect work ;)
22:32.19goxboxliveSO i was searcing around for a state of the art laptop, but i couldnt find a laptop with clear screen and a DVI output
22:33.03goxboxliveSo i ended up with this one( this one we got as a sample from DELL becuase of a mistace order they did)
22:33.21goxboxliveSO i said to my boss, i wamt the big one
22:33.22paulproteusSo how is this different from a desktop exactly?
22:33.42goxboxlivepaulproteus: it's one piece
22:34.27BabelOgoxboxlive: DELL often do mistake with computer ;)
22:37.21goxboxliveBabelO: Dell suck
22:37.24goxboxlive's
22:37.45goxboxliveI hate all the multimedia stuff they have installed
22:37.53goxboxlivewe have removed a lot of it
22:38.20goxboxliveprivate i would never have bought a dell/comapq pc
22:38.31goxboxlivei like build machines
22:38.39BabelOsame here ;)
22:38.51goxboxlivethats why i still have my laptop
22:39.00goxboxliveAopen 1557GLS
22:39.10goxboxliveit's "allmost" a killer
22:40.25goxboxlives/it's/was/
22:40.40BabelOi ve ordered a quad core and sonata desktop tour :) linux should be fast and silent
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22:40.49BabelOola cr2 :)
22:40.53cr2hi
22:40.58goxboxliveBabelO: absolute
22:41.01goxboxlivehi cr2
22:41.10cr2goxboxlive: did you compile the acx100 from .16-hh3 ?
22:41.28goxboxlivecr2: no, it failed so much
22:41.38cr2hm.
22:41.47cr2do you have other patches for hh.org ?
22:41.55goxboxlivecoudl you try? and send me the pathc?
22:42.19goxboxlivecr2: yes i have, but ymerejt told me that they are not clean so we cant aply them
22:42.32cr2ok.
22:42.49goxboxlivefor me, everything is clean as long as it is a improvement
22:47.35BabelOgoxboxlive: did you enable dyn tick support in your kernel ?
22:48.13goxboxlivecr2: why dont we do as the openezx creates our own tree with patches so it doesnt interfear other devices
22:48.26goxboxliveBabelO: i dont even know what that is
22:48.49BabelOgoxboxlive: you can save power with this enabled
22:49.19goxboxliveymerejt: i am sending the kernel source to you now. It's 56MB
22:49.37goxboxliveBabelO: i dont know, i have to check the kernel. hold on
22:49.40ymerejtdiogene31: ok push it on web or ftp ...
22:50.16BabelOgoxboxlive: it is under kernel features
22:51.35goxboxliveBabelO: Dynamic device file minor numbers (SND_DYNAMIC_MINORS) ???????
22:51.39goxboxliveor
22:51.49goxboxliveDynamic USB minor allocation (EXPERIMENTAL) (USB_DYNAMIC_MINORS)
22:54.49ymerejtgoxboxlive: ok push it on web or ftp please
22:55.47goxboxliveymerejt: ok
22:56.14goxboxliveymerejt: ftp ?? where?
22:56.35ymerejtgoxboxlive: where u want ... I don't have server here
22:57.33goxboxliveymerejt: uploading to my linuxtogo place
22:57.39BabelOgoxboxlive: no, under make menuconfig -> kernel features -> CONFIG_NO_IDLE_HZ
22:58.23goxboxliveBabelO: yes i have that static
22:59.21goxboxliveBabelO: ymerejt do you both live in Paris?
23:00.13ymerejtno I'm living in Toulouse and I guess BabelO living on Monpelier
23:00.19BabelOgoxboxlive: to enable this suppoert you have to set this dyntick=enable on boot line or manually echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/timer/timer0/dyn_tick
23:00.24BabelOyes montpellier for me
23:00.30ymerejtgoxboxlive: why ?
23:00.36goxboxliveis that in Paris?
23:00.50goxboxlivejust cutipu
23:01.04goxboxlivecurioues
23:01.43*** join/#htc-linux parmaster (i=par@dipole.idlepattern.com)
23:02.15berntHow can I change the keycode of the buttons from a htc universal?
23:02.29berntI have two buttons with the same keycode.
23:02.37goxboxlivebernt: wich one?
23:03.06berntone button with camera : keycode 8
23:03.29berntthe other button left from this button.
23:03.29goxboxliveand
23:04.19goxboxlivei dont have any left from the cam button. WHat branch do you have?
23:04.39berntthis is the record button
23:05.21berntI have a MDA PRO
23:06.09berntthe record button is right from the camera button, both with keycode 8
23:07.11berntgoxboxlive: is there a way to change the keycode from one of this two buttons?
23:07.41goxboxlivebernt: i'm not following you, there are no buttons right for the canbutton, My device also have the REC button right for the cam button. I have he WWE
23:07.48goxboxlivebernt: yes
23:08.16goxboxlivewhat are you running in it?
23:08.53berntits a gpe image
23:08.59goxboxliveymerejt: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~goxboxlive/htcuniversal/Kernel/
23:09.38goxboxlivebernt: Are you sing my image or home mead?
23:10.27berntI use Angstrom-gpe-image-test-20070406-htcuniversal.rootfs
23:10.46berntand added some packages per ipkg
23:11.50goxboxlivebernt: did you download it form htcpxa or angstrom repo?
23:12.38berntdont remember ... is this important?
23:13.29goxboxliveyes, because if it is my image i will take a look at it, if it is base angstrom then i dont have any influensed
23:13.36cr2goxboxlive: an own tree is evil. moko2 patches will fit nice for hermes et al., but merging it all together is a hell.
23:14.42goxboxlivecr2: Do you think it is evil they way openmoko and openezx are doing it?
23:14.59paulproteuscr2, With git at least, separate trees can easily merge each other's work.
23:15.07paulproteus(and hg and bzr and so forth, just not svn/cvs)
23:15.22cr2goxboxlive: it maybe good for them, but bad for everybody else.
23:16.06cr2ymerejt: i suggest not to patch sa1100_wdt.c, but to copy it in the htcuniversal subdir, and make a Kconfig option for those with wm6.
23:16.46ymerejtcr2, ok
23:16.49cr2because it's a hack, that will never be submitted upstream.
23:17.00dcordeshi cr2
23:17.07cr2hi dcordes
23:17.29berntgoxboxlive: If I want to change a keycode, where should I look?
23:17.40cr2ymerejt: then the patch will be clean enough.
23:17.56dcordescr2: I was thinking about opening kaiser today. Do you think we could get any further when there would be access to serial port?
23:18.31goxboxlivebernt: somewhere /etc/Xserver i think'
23:18.53goxboxliveor /etc/keycode or somewhere
23:20.23cr2dcordes: the only reliable way to grok the serial port operation (BT?) is to disassemble the microkernel. i have not idea about its layout, it's a separate project in itself.
23:21.54dcordesoh so we can't get any info on the serial ports because they are covered by microkernel?
23:22.35berntgoxboxlive: Do you mean something like xmodmap - < my_changed.xmodmap?
23:22.52goxboxliveno
23:22.56cr2afaik the BT is operated through ipc_*, and you have not seen anything with mmutrace too.
23:22.57goxboxlivekeymaps mayve then
23:23.00berntGood ;-)
23:23.13goxboxlivei dont remember, i havent made any gpe image for a long time
23:24.08berntin Xserver there is nothing with keys only dpi and screens
23:26.11berntresulting in Xfbdev -br -pn -dpi 100 -screen 480x640@270 :0 -noreset
23:26.32goxboxlivebernt: no, thats diskplay
23:26.42goxboxliveii thin it might be in keymaps
23:26.55dcordescr2: I'm always ready for further tracing/investigating if useful
23:28.17cr2dcordes: are there any android kernel news available ?
23:28.38dcordescr2: negative
23:31.13berntgoxboxlive: In /etc/init.d/keymap I have a 'loadkeys /etc/keymap-$KERNEL_MAJMIN.map', but in /etc/keymap-2.6.map there is only the relation chip between keycode and symbol.
23:31.46goxboxlivebernt: ok, i dont remember how it was done then
23:33.15vekexasiahi
23:33.25vekexasiasomeone could tell me how
23:33.35vekexasiais the development of p3600?
23:35.08cr2vekexasia: trinity ?
23:35.37cr2i'm lost in those htc numbers.
23:36.10vekexasiayes
23:36.21goxboxlivecr2: me too
23:37.00vekexasiacr2 yes trinity
23:38.44cr2vekexasia: it's the effectively the same as hermes. stuck at the SD driver.
23:39.11cr2once hermes will be running, it'll be more or less trivial to support trinity.
23:39.17vekexasiayes
23:39.19vekexasiabut the sd?
23:39.28vekexasiawhen it will be supported?
23:41.03cr2don't know. i've told you that i had big progress with it, but it's a complex issue.
23:41.18vekexasiai'm sorry
23:41.57vekexasiai'm not so good in english
23:44.05cr2i'm working on the SD driver but it's difficult to make it work properly.
23:44.12vekexasiaok
23:44.14vekexasiavery thanks
23:50.39goxboxlivecr2: i know a easier work
23:50.57goxboxlivedo you want to know what iam aiming at?
23:52.10goxboxliveor did you went to sleep

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