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| 05:34.10 | goxboxlive | good morning |
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| 05:53.49 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: could you merge the latest Qtopia source with the openezx branch? |
| 05:54.02 | goxboxlive | or is it updated automaticly? |
| 05:54.11 | paulproteus | Someone has to do the merge himself, but it's not very hard. |
| 05:54.19 | paulproteus | I can teach you to do it, or I can do it, either way. |
| 05:54.23 | goxboxlive | ok, i do it my self then. How? |
| 05:54.46 | goxboxlive | please send the prcedure on mail, so i have it saved |
| 05:54.54 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, It's actually at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Qtopia |
| 05:55.00 | paulproteus | "Step 6" |
| 05:55.16 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 05:55.20 | paulproteus | Just switch to branch you want to update, and then run step 6, and then commit. |
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| 06:04.35 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: the ssh key i sent to you is made by my other machine. Where do i place it on my other machine? |
| 06:05.01 | paulproteus | scp other_machine:.ssh/id* ~/.ssh |
| 06:06.09 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: i cant do that, my laptop is off |
| 06:06.36 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, Then I don't understand your question? |
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| 06:10.47 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: i'm at work, and i am ssh my build machine. My ssh key is on my laptop wich is off |
| 06:10.59 | goxboxlive | i have my ssh key in gmail, the one i sent you |
| 06:11.17 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, I see. You need the private key too. |
| 06:11.19 | goxboxlive | i need to use that right, on my build machine too? the ame one right |
| 06:11.31 | goxboxlive | yes the one i sent you |
| 06:11.47 | paulproteus | You sent me the *public* key, I think. |
| 06:11.56 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 06:12.00 | paulproteus | If you want to just send me a second public key that corresponds to the private key you have, that's okay with me. |
| 06:12.17 | paulproteus | In general you only send me public keys, and you keep the private key private! |
| 06:12.24 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 06:12.35 | goxboxlive | hoe do i make a public key? |
| 06:13.55 | paulproteus | ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 06:14.04 | paulproteus | Just make it quick; I'm going to bed soon. (-: |
| 06:14.07 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 06:14.44 | goxboxlive | should i have a passphrase? |
| 06:15.24 | paulproteus | In general it's good, but it's okay not to. |
| 06:15.36 | paulproteus | Just be sure not to have the id_dsa file get leaked if you have no passphrase. |
| 06:16.59 | goxboxlive | check mail |
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| 06:31.27 | goxboxlive | haha i made a push |
| 06:31.38 | goxboxlive | :-) or upload or what ever it named |
| 06:32.08 | goxboxlive | be aware guys i probably may mess up something now and then :-) |
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| 07:33.39 | joschkopf79 | hi everybody |
| 07:34.29 | joschkopf79 | i started writing a driver for htc wizard touchscreen and i was wondering if anybody has some more knowledge about wizard hardware than what is documented in the register map at xda-dev... |
| 07:34.55 | joschkopf79 | more specifically i would need some information about the registers for the SPI controller |
| 07:35.55 | joschkopf79 | which is built into omap850 and uses registers 0xfffc1004 to 0xfffc100e |
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| 07:43.47 | BabelO | hi |
| 07:43.53 | joschkopf79 | hi |
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| 07:49.03 | BabelO | joschkopf79: these register 0xfffc1000 is another spi port of omap850 |
| 07:49.54 | BabelO | joschkopf79: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=OMAP850_Registers |
| 07:50.52 | joschkopf79 | i know, there is one at 0xfffb3000 (called uwire) and one at 0xfffc1000 |
| 07:51.08 | BabelO | joschkopf79: you have the bus shift +2, so we just need this spi host driver |
| 07:51.20 | joschkopf79 | for the uwire there is already a driver, which i try to adapt for 0xfffc1000 |
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| 07:51.41 | BabelO | joschkopf79: ok ;) good |
| 07:51.59 | joschkopf79 | but unfortunately only replacing the base address didn't work :( |
| 07:52.28 | joschkopf79 | the register map shows 7 registers for the uwire port but only 5 for the other one |
| 07:53.00 | BabelO | joschkopf79: did you look at other spi driver ? |
| 07:53.06 | joschkopf79 | at least i got the interrupt working :) |
| 07:53.22 | joschkopf79 | basically, i copied the uwire driver |
| 07:53.37 | BabelO | joschkopf79: that is good, are you able to trace this spi port with haret ? |
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| 07:54.04 | joschkopf79 | hm, never used haret, this is why I asked if anybody did already something like this :) |
| 07:54.15 | joschkopf79 | but ok, i think then i'll have to learn to use it :) |
| 07:54.25 | joschkopf79 | one question: what means bus shift 2? |
| 07:54.46 | BabelO | joschkopf79: i can try later in the morning on m phone, else i post you the command |
| 07:55.18 | BabelO | joschkopf79: bus shift is spacing between register, it depend of the register length (8bit 16bit 32 bit) |
| 07:55.24 | joschkopf79 | great, thanks :) |
| 07:55.45 | joschkopf79 | ah, i see... hmm... but uwire registers seem to have bus shift 1 then? |
| 07:57.53 | BabelO | joschkopf79: it seem yes |
| 08:01.21 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: thanks so far :) |
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| 08:06.41 | BabelO | joschkopf79: in haret it is addlist mmutrace p2v(0xfffc1000) 0xff |
| 08:06.49 | BabelO | then wi 10 |
| 08:07.02 | BabelO | before you have to mask unsolicited event |
| 08:07.24 | BabelO | i mean when you use wi 0 you see lot of trace for gpio or irq |
| 08:08.11 | BabelO | use ibit irqs XX to mask irqs and so for gpio |
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| 08:11.13 | joschkopf79 | BabelO: thanks, i'll try later this day |
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| 09:36.21 | kiozen | hm, Nokia is buying the trolls. Is that for better or worse? |
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| 09:45.17 | BabelO | hi kiozen, where did you see this ? |
| 09:45.36 | BabelO | ok i got the news too ;) |
| 09:45.37 | kiozen | www.heise.de but it's german |
| 09:45.46 | kiozen | and it's not april 1st |
| 09:48.16 | cr2_ | kiozen: it's a logical step. |
| 09:49.39 | kiozen | cr2_: sure, for them. I just wonder what it will mean on the long run for Oopen Source |
| 09:50.39 | kiozen | cr2_: It's the same with Bochum. It's a logical step. But the workers will see it a bit different ;) |
| 09:50.41 | cr2_ | even if nokia wants to kill them, it's too late |
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| 09:51.05 | cr2_ | i'm not sure about Bochum. |
| 09:51.25 | cr2_ | i mean logical on both sides. |
| 09:52.13 | kiozen | let's hope Qt does not get as open as the goole phone |
| 09:52.36 | cr2_ | goole phone is not gpl. |
| 09:54.02 | kiozen | hm, don't know if forking and maintaning such a big package by a community is what we want. |
| 09:54.05 | BabelO | cr2_: this microsd card is not a good idea :( |
| 09:54.20 | cr2_ | i'm wondering why nokia did not buy them before. |
| 09:54.24 | cr2_ | BabelO: why ? |
| 09:54.48 | kiozen | cr2_: they had to debug qtopia first :) |
| 09:54.56 | cr2_ | kiozen: it's much better written than openoffice or mozilla. |
| 09:55.42 | cr2_ | kiozen: qtopia4, yes. qtopia2 was a solid product. |
| 09:56.18 | cr2_ | hahaha. "Open Letter to the Open Source Community" |
| 09:56.23 | BabelO | kiozen: and i like qt framework, better than some ... |
| 09:57.00 | kiozen | ack, qtopia4 API is less straight forward |
| 09:57.07 | BabelO | cr2_: because, i can't find this power mmc gpio :( when i switch the one for megasim i got a response to CMD2, that's all |
| 09:57.37 | cr2_ | it's like the famous 'open letter to the hobbyists' :) |
| 09:57.49 | cr2_ | BabelO: ok, it seems i need to have a look. |
| 09:59.21 | BabelO | cr2_: yes that will be great :) i ve reproduced all step from .S file init sequence |
| 09:59.27 | kiozen | that is the thing I like most with QT: things work as expected. You can spent your time on solving your problem and not waisting it learning the API |
| 09:59.54 | BabelO | cr2_: it seem all these step are already done in kernel, so just miss this power gpios |
| 10:00.43 | BabelO | kiozen: me too MFC and VCL from borland, but QT is better ;) |
| 10:00.46 | cr2_ | kiozen: i've guessed that from your C* file naming :) |
| 10:00.59 | kiozen | cr2_: lol |
| 10:01.25 | cr2_ | bbl |
| 10:02.39 | kiozen | BabelO: It's not just better. The other stuff is simply torture and should be handled by the human rights |
| 10:08.19 | BabelO | kiozen: VCL is a little easier to use than MFC |
| 10:08.28 | BabelO | kiozen: agree with you |
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| 12:10.08 | rakeem | Ah... The endless circle of death continues... My BA got drowned by a mate's beer on the weekend, so I'm now back on the Uni (at his expense)... Alge, it's been fun, but I believe I'm back in goxboxlive's hands now... What's the latest? |
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| 12:24.13 | goxboxlive | hmm i got a htc s710 now at work. I'm i able to run linux on it yet? |
| 12:24.26 | cr2_ | lol |
| 12:24.32 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 12:24.57 | goxboxlive | cr2_: is it s710 that has a hidden gps chip? |
| 12:25.05 | cr2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.10 | goxboxlive | no idea |
| 12:25.13 | goxboxlive | i'll check |
| 12:25.16 | cr2_ | run haret |
| 12:25.44 | goxboxlive | cr2 yes vox |
| 12:25.47 | cr2_ | TI OMAP850 CPU 200 MHz |
| 12:26.04 | cr2_ | it can't have hidden gps |
| 12:26.14 | goxboxlive | http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=679&view=1 |
| 12:26.29 | goxboxlive | no. crappy shit. I use my universal instead |
| 12:26.41 | cr2_ | Mainland Chinese Sourced version HAS NO WIFI |
| 12:28.06 | cr2_ | run haret, and pastebin the .log |
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| 12:28.39 | goxboxlive | it has wifi. Have to do that later. i'm still at work. It's still in it's box |
| 12:28.49 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i just build 2.6.24 for a780 |
| 12:29.07 | goxboxlive | made a new qtopia image and a rootfs. |
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| 12:39.46 | BabelO | goxboxlive: welcome to omap850 club house ;) |
| 12:39.47 | BabelO | lol |
| 12:40.32 | goxboxlive | :-) |
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| 12:48.43 | rakeem | Hey, goxboxlive, cr2... When I grabbed this used Uni today there was a used hermes going even cheaper... Is that right? Where're the images hosted? |
| 12:49.43 | rakeem | Hullo BabelO... I've switched again... |
| 12:51.02 | cr2_ | rakeem: there is no SD driver for hermes yet. |
| 12:56.41 | rakeem | Yeah, that's why I plumped for the ol' fat guy... At my level, if I've got a chance of running something useful I'm stuck to the BA or Uni for the moment it seems... In that regard goxboxlive~, Is the comment on the Uni Wiki about qtopia as a primary phone is from you? |
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| 12:58.36 | rakeem | <==> Big up to Alge for keeping the BA effort moving... <==> |
| 13:00.37 | goxboxlive | rakeem: i am using my uni running Qtopia as my main phone. It has som lacks, but fill it's need for a mobile phone though |
| 13:00.40 | goxboxlive | bbl |
| 13:03.01 | rakeem | Cheers... I'll let you know how I get on catching up with the Uni... The screen and keyboard sure are nice after the BA and it's SPI purgatory... |
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| 13:05.14 | rakeem | 'Sfunny... I haven't even thought about what I'm gonna do with the Chinese CE it's running... |
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| 14:55.07 | paulproteus | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/102547 ! |
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| 15:04.36 | cr2_ | paulproteus: we are doing something right :) |
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| 17:50.49 | BabelO | good evening |
| 17:53.23 | goxboxlive | What a stupid phone. wince without a touchscreen. Ot's useless. |
| 17:53.41 | BabelO | goxboxlive: lol |
| 17:53.52 | goxboxlive | I shoudl have covinced my bosses to buy a htc universal with Qtopia installed instead :-) |
| 17:56.05 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, When they asked, "Where can I buy one of those?" you should have given them your home address (-; |
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| 18:02.29 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes and with paid support |
| 18:03.00 | goxboxlive | even my good old A780 has a touchecreen |
| 18:03.46 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: i need some git support, are you free? |
| 18:04.00 | goxboxlive | free time |
| 18:08.38 | paulproteus | I have a little free time now - what's up? |
| 18:09.39 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: when i commit changes in the source (outside device folder) it doesnt get pulled. Like when i want to add an application in the src/application folder |
| 18:09.45 | goxboxlive | why? |
| 18:10.05 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, I don't follow. Have you done 'git add' to all the files you want to commit? |
| 18:10.25 | paulproteus | Can you pastebin git status? |
| 18:10.36 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:12.29 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: http://pastebin.no/3224 |
| 18:13.37 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, Just "git add" the files you want to commit, and then "git commit -m message". |
| 18:13.44 | paulproteus | Then they will be versioned as you expect. |
| 18:13.56 | paulproteus | The thing about git is that if you modify a file, you have to re-add it with 'git add'. |
| 18:14.01 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: can i add a whole folder ? |
| 18:14.07 | paulproteus | git add folder/* |
| 18:14.17 | paulproteus | But be careful of accidentally adding folder/Makefile... |
| 18:14.18 | goxboxlive | ok thx, i'll try |
| 18:14.28 | paulproteus | ("git add $folder" may also work) |
| 18:14.46 | goxboxlive | ok, should Makefile be in my gitingore? |
| 18:15.17 | paulproteus | Right - .gitignore at the project root |
| 18:15.41 | paulproteus | (And make sure to "git add .gitignore; git commit -m ignoring"; you have to commit it before git uses it, as I recall.) |
| 18:17.41 | BabelO | cr2: around ? ;) |
| 18:21.34 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes it worked |
| 18:21.47 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, Yay! |
| 18:28.56 | goxboxlive | thanks |
| 18:29.44 | dcordes | goxboxlive: what do you run on a780? |
| 18:30.03 | goxboxlive | dcordes: now? |
| 18:30.08 | dcordes | yes |
| 18:30.20 | goxboxlive | Now Qtopia, but the phone doesnt work |
| 18:51.38 | dcordes | checkout openmoko builds |
| 18:51.43 | dcordes | there are some with ezx kernel I think |
| 18:51.53 | dcordes | which should have working phone |
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| 19:01.38 | goxboxlive | dcordes: the phone doesnt work yet in openmoko AFAIK. They have managed to make calls with cu though, but i think there are some problems with the mux |
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| 19:12.27 | BabelO | hi pH5, kiozen |
| 19:12.36 | pH5 | hej BabelO |
| 19:15.21 | kiozen | hi BabelO |
| 19:22.21 | dcordes | hey pH5 |
| 19:22.27 | pH5 | hi |
| 19:22.39 | dcordes | took a look at f700 yet? |
| 19:24.09 | pH5 | dcordes: I borrowed one, but I lost interest after two days of not being able to figure out the qualcomm bootloader protocol |
| 19:24.44 | pH5 | maybe I'll look at it again when there are f700 flash images floating around the net, but for now the device just isn't interesting worth the hassle. |
| 19:25.35 | pH5 | s/interesting// |
| 19:26.21 | dcordes | pH5: lol I just wanted to reffer to QBS firmware analyzer and noticed your postings in http://forum.modopo.com/diskussionen-rund-ums-modding/t-19197-ef81-qc-bqs-firmware-analyzer/page16.html#post182187 |
| 19:27.29 | pH5 | yeah. I can talk to the loader, but the f700 protocol seems to be just a bit different from that in the thread. |
| 19:27.29 | dcordes | I'm also slowly losing interest on htckaiser since there is nothing going on |
| 19:28.02 | dcordes | wasn't the author able to help? |
| 19:30.29 | pH5 | dcordes: at least not immediately ;) |
| 19:37.03 | dcordes | pH5: did you yet take a look at kaiser? |
| 19:37.18 | pH5 | it's a pity that there is nothing going on with the msm chipsets. |
| 19:37.31 | pH5 | my brother has a kaiser (that he is selling right now) |
| 19:37.41 | dcordes | I'm thinking of that... |
| 19:37.44 | pH5 | I think he keeps the f700 |
| 19:38.30 | dcordes | actually I'm waiting for swetland to release the SD driver so there will possibly some way to access kaiser |
| 19:39.43 | cr2 | dcordes: have you read yesterday - htc says there is no hw accel on kaiser |
| 19:39.59 | dcordes | cr2: |
| 19:40.04 | dcordes | channel logs? |
| 19:40.12 | pH5 | hi cr2 |
| 19:40.18 | cr2 | hi pH5 |
| 19:40.32 | cr2 | pH5: even old good hima was better :) |
| 19:41.02 | cr2 | pH5: but the greedy shareholders probably wanted to see the money ;) |
| 19:41.09 | cr2 | dcordes: looking for a link. |
| 19:41.40 | pH5 | sure, for the same reason htc keeps cranking out qvga devices. |
| 19:41.49 | dcordes | 17:19.34cr2http://www.htc.com/press_room/03-press-4-2008-0122.htm |
| 19:42.11 | pH5 | the nokia n810 also has a 3d accelerator in the cpu that can't be used. |
| 19:42.18 | cr2 | goxboxlive: if motorola was not so stupid, they would have bought qtopia 3 years ago, and let others write qt apps ;-) |
| 19:42.28 | pH5 | heh |
| 19:42.46 | paulproteus | "can't be used"? |
| 19:43.19 | cr2 | pH5: now i'm curious about the maemo future. |
| 19:43.22 | goxboxlive | cr2: right |
| 19:43.27 | goxboxlive | cr2: did you read this? |
| 19:43.46 | dcordes | cr2: finally at least they admitted that |
| 19:44.13 | goxboxlive | cr2: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-28.4605718236 |
| 19:44.16 | cr2 | dcordes: yeah. |
| 19:44.25 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes. |
| 19:44.39 | goxboxlive | what will it say actually? |
| 19:44.51 | pH5 | cr2: from looking at blogs and mailing lists today, many people are :) |
| 19:45.50 | pH5 | paulproteus: no docs no driver no nothing. maybe if somebody would reverse engineer the proprietary powervr driver implementation in the nokia n95 symbian phone. |
| 19:46.12 | dcordes | the second global player joining in the fun |
| 19:46.52 | cr2 | goxboxlive: lol. This communication is no offer to acquire shares or options in Trolltech. Such offer will be made only in accordance with an offer document approved under the Norwegian securities trading act and to such persons who may lawfully receive the offer. |
| 19:46.54 | paulproteus | pH5, Ouch |
| 19:48.17 | cr2 | yeah, now if nokia will produce such open phones like htc. somehow i doubt it, looking at their battery business. |
| 19:48.50 | dcordes | you mean as in pseudo open micro kernel stuff? |
| 19:48.55 | cr2 | pH5: which cpu does n810 have ? |
| 19:49.01 | dcordes | and proprietary device drivers? |
| 19:49.16 | pH5 | cr2: same as n800, omap2420 |
| 19:49.35 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:50.12 | cr2 | dcordes: i would have said 'buy hermes', but they crippled it not to support gps ;) |
| 19:50.36 | pH5 | cr2: do you think nokia will go closed down linux like motorola on their phones? |
| 19:50.38 | cr2 | athena is a excellent device, but it's not a phone after all... |
| 19:50.51 | rakeem | Is this Nokia buyout likely to be a good thing? Smells bad to me, but that's probably just my instincts... Don't we now run the risk of having qtopia snached away? |
| 19:51.29 | cr2 | pH5: i think yes. and with an RSA sig for the apps. |
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| 19:52.23 | cr2 | pH5: nokia will not have such nice lax security as htc. |
| 19:52.30 | dcordes | cr2: I'm looking out for anything I can play/work/fiddle around with but not something that is lieing around with wince on it |
| 19:52.44 | dcordes | fic-gta02 is an option |
| 19:53.28 | pH5 | cr2: true, htc(-pxa) is hard to beat |
| 19:54.16 | BabelO | cr2: gps on artemis is UART 2 :) |
| 19:54.45 | cr2 | pH5: himalaya was a really revolutionary device, it's a pity we can't finish htc-pxa. |
| 19:54.52 | cr2 | BabelO: you have it working now ? |
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| 19:56.10 | BabelO | cr2: let me restart again, i think i found why mmc don't want to work, i have a clock MMC/SDIO flagged, it appear sometimes under wince, maybe because of the mux, i set it all the time and try to boot again |
| 19:56.24 | cr2 | dcordes: if you are not crazy about built-in gps, buy hermes. |
| 19:56.38 | cr2 | dcordes: all other nice hackable phones are even older. |
| 19:57.27 | cr2 | BabelO: ok. it's nice to have the mux bit decoder. |
| 19:57.47 | cr2 | BabelO: so we can dump,decode and compare the settings. |
| 19:59.47 | dcordes | I wonder if a possible buyer of my kaiser could make use of my guarantee |
| 20:00.36 | cr2 | dcordes: why not ? |
| 20:01.31 | dcordes | no idea :) just was wondering |
| 20:01.59 | cr2 | pH5: it's interesting that the nokia's share price goes down. http://www.nokia.com/investors |
| 20:02.31 | cr2 | dcordes: whoever shows up with the sale receipt has the warranty. |
| 20:02.57 | dcordes | that's good to know |
| 20:03.14 | dcordes | device is in perfect state |
| 20:03.19 | dcordes | I hope I will get a lot |
| 20:03.52 | cr2 | it's a good solid device. just not a hacker dream. |
| 20:05.24 | dcordes | would be more solid with a quick interface |
| 20:05.59 | dcordes | it's yet starting to crackle when I try and view larger websites like the iclem log |
| 20:15.17 | BabelO | cr2: i think, i miss some kernel code, does not work, don't want to detect serial, or my sd card ... |
| 20:19.19 | rakeem | At what point do we take action? Seriously, I'm sick of being held to ransom by the same old cartels. Not just the geek stuff either. Take the charger: Has nobody at Nokia heard of a mini-USB plug? At what point does anti-consumer become outright hostility? The development and adoption of these technologies has been, and continues to be hindered, the duplication of effort is beyond ridiculous, and the economics are simply and fundamen |
| 20:19.55 | rakeem | <Sorry for the lump of text, just angry. I wanna play with MY toys...> |
| 20:20.21 | paulproteus | rakeem, I know what you mean.... |
| 20:20.26 | paulproteus | ...it's truncat though |
| 20:24.49 | cr2 | rakeem: motorola had mini-USB for ages, but made 400M$ loss last year. nokia squeeses money whereever it can. |
| 20:26.19 | dcordes | cr2: do you think you could get anything out of kaiser if you had one? |
| 20:27.02 | cr2 | dcordes: i think it's better to finish htc-pxa |
| 20:27.49 | cr2 | i have 6 pxa-based phones ;) |
| 20:28.12 | dcordes | wow |
| 20:28.20 | rakeem | cr2: I think that loss is attributable, less to their altruistic energy policy, and more to the characteristics of their product line when viewed as a whole: in that, with a few noteable exceptions, it's shit. ;-) |
| 20:29.03 | dcordes | cr2: hermes, loox...? |
| 20:29.12 | rakeem | cr2: Still got my eye out for "The Progenator" for you... |
| 20:30.10 | rakeem | cr2: Is the pxa a better flavour of arm chip than the others in some way? |
| 20:30.23 | cr2 | rakeem: why did they stop with a780 ? i've read yesterday that 'nokia is the first producer to include gps receivers in the cellphone" |
| 20:30.57 | cr2 | rakeem: it has a tradition of having full CPU docs |
| 20:31.30 | cr2 | rakeem: it started with sa1100 already, and DEC always published such docs. |
| 20:31.45 | cr2 | consider it as a DEC legacy ;) |
| 20:32.16 | cr2 | dcordes: loox is not a phone. |
| 20:33.35 | rakeem | I dunno man... I've been expecting Moto to jack in the phone business for about 2 years now... I've rarely been impressed with their cack-handed attempts at popularity. I liked them much better when they were driving my Amiga. |
| 20:35.37 | cr2 | rakeem: they are strange. i don't understand them at all. |
| 20:36.05 | dcordes | cr2: hermes universal athena trinity breeze apache :) ? |
| 20:36.20 | rakeem | Wow... Where have I heard of the sa1100 before....? One more CPU question, is the MIPS (as found in wifi routers, etc.) the same MIPS that fuelled SGIs? |
| 20:36.21 | pH5 | every sufficiently big company is strange automatically. |
| 20:37.13 | rakeem | cr2: They're Japanese, you're not meant to understand. |
| 20:37.48 | cr2 | pH5: i always disliked nokia, because they are not really tech-driven. motorola was much better in this regard. |
| 20:38.35 | pH5 | I always disliked Nokia because of the ugly designs. I only started caring about the tech part when I got the magician :) |
| 20:38.37 | rakeem | Dare I say it though... Politics, and fluff aside, A**le know how to crank out the goods, time after time.... |
| 20:40.23 | cr2 | pH5: they always invented something stupid, like FBUS. instead of using rs232 and, later, usb. |
| 20:42.04 | kiozen | cr2: you ever understood the conversion from proj4 strings to wkt strings? |
| 20:42.49 | rakeem | I got my girlfriend a Wii for Christmas, and on NYE a guy demonstrated unsanctioned code running with full control (cr2: what's the proper term? Like for code with "root" access on the CPU?). That's a perfect little mediacentre in the making I reckon... |
| 20:42.54 | pH5 | ugh, that reminds me of the ugly kw1281 in my car. |
| 20:44.21 | cr2 | kiozen: isn't there an OGR api ? |
| 20:44.48 | kiozen | yes, but it's not working like I want it. |
| 20:44.50 | cr2 | rakeem: it depends on the cpu. |
| 20:45.17 | rakeem | cr2: You had a fiddle with the iPhone? Apparently the new firmware is "UNCRACKABLE (r)". You could make a name for yourself with the silver-handbag crowd.... |
| 20:45.42 | kiozen | it does not convert the full proj4 string to something I can convert back to the same string. |
| 20:45.43 | cr2 | kiozen: i think proj4 can do more than EPSG, so it's not so easy to convert ? |
| 20:47.04 | rakeem | cr2: Well I'll just stick to "running, with all the bells and whistles". l-) |
| 20:47.04 | cr2 | rakeem: lol. it's even a more shitty CPU than msm7x00 there. i dislike undocumented and non-commodity hardware in general. |
| 20:47.37 | cr2 | rakeem: hehe. then pxa is your choice. |
| 20:47.46 | rakeem | msm is what again? |
| 20:47.53 | cr2 | qualcomm |
| 20:52.24 | rakeem | Agreed. How about we petition them along the lines of: "Dear Qualcomm. Please spread the word around your telco buddies: Leave our boxes alone and kindly fuck off back to making answering machines. Thanks." |
| 20:54.40 | cr2 | LOL |
| 20:55.52 | cr2 | i'll stick to the already existing good hardware. i'm not that much into buzzword compliance. |
| 20:57.17 | kiozen | cr2: http://pastebin.ca/876495 |
| 20:57.23 | kiozen | cr2: g++ -L/usr/lib64/ -lgdal -lproj test.c -otest |
| 20:57.33 | kiozen | that should show my problem |
| 21:01.23 | cr2 | kiozen: it's a known problem (wkp) |
| 21:02.27 | kiozen | cr2: I would be more happy if it is a solvable problem. Else no OSM maps. |
| 21:02.51 | cr2 | why ? |
| 21:03.20 | kiozen | because I have to extract the correct projection string from tiff |
| 21:03.30 | kiozen | else no projection |
| 21:03.48 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:04.02 | cr2 | is Mercator_2SP not enough ? |
| 21:04.33 | kiozen | that +nadgrids=@null seems to be the magic thing |
| 21:04.58 | rakeem | cr2: Hey, have you looked at the gnuGSM (or whatever it's called) effort? The mission the reverse and open the entire GSM platform, handset through-network to handset? Just reading some of the stuff for a couple of hours was really insightful for me... I'd never appreciated the amount of complexity involved in just distinguishing a '1' from a '0'... Never mind the rest... |
| 21:06.12 | cr2 | kiozen: yes. imho, you should ask on the gdal-dev ML |
| 21:06.37 | kiozen | ok, hoped ypu are the fast path :) |
| 21:07.20 | cr2 | i'm not the proj4 author :) |
| 21:07.48 | cr2 | rakeem: yes, it's an interesting effort. |
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| 21:09.42 | rakeem | cr2: Seriously. They have my utmost support and respect. Shame though... If they start making progress, someone's gonna get jailed... |
| 21:12.40 | rakeem | cr2: Is there somewhere, perhaps under /proc. I can monitor voltage / current on the Uni? My new one has a nasty habit of dying like it's the battery, but reports 100%. I've tried with a second battery too.... |
| 21:12.42 | cr2 | jalied ? |
| 21:13.15 | cr2 | s/jali/jail/ |
| 21:13.15 | rakeem | Jalied? Jail-ed. Click-slam! |
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| 21:13.57 | cr2 | it's illegal to transmit there, sure |
| 21:14.13 | cr2 | but you'll probably be fined for doing it. |
| 21:14.20 | rakeem | I can see telco's getting *really* hostile when kids start throwing up their own home-brewed cell-towers... |
| 21:15.39 | cr2 | gps jammers too ? |
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| 21:20.13 | rakeem | ...which reminds me...! In the local tech-market neighbourhood this weekend I saw handheld GSM jammers for $US(3000/7.78)... The dude had GSM amplifiers and antennas too... They'll just sell you this stuff. A vague promise that it's gonna be someone else's problem is all they need. (HK$ is pegged @ 7.78 to US$) |
| 21:21.27 | rakeem | It's a new shop, but from the look of the gear on sale (more like auto-parts than electronic parts y |
| 21:21.49 | dcordes | a hong kong sideshow tech mall in my town would be nice |
| 21:22.11 | rakeem | y'know) I reckon he can get all kinds of usually restricted RF gear... |
| 21:23.32 | cr2 | hehe. |
| 21:23.43 | cr2 | i think it's too expensive for the gsm jammer. |
| 21:23.59 | goxboxlive | diogene31: Have you done something to your git tree now? |
| 21:24.47 | diogene31 | goxboxlive: Yes, indeed. I updated the master branch to 2.6.24. This should not touch the hh-improved or htcuniversal branch. |
| 21:25.26 | goxboxlive | diogene31: ok, i did a pull and it runs like h*ll |
| 21:25.50 | cr2 | diogene31: what about asic3_mmc ? |
| 21:26.00 | diogene31 | goxboxlive: :) You should blame ymerejt, he as insisted very very much :) |
| 21:26.05 | cr2 | diogene31: and the pxa clk_* |
| 21:26.27 | diogene31 | cr2: I don't think the mainline kernel holds them. |
| 21:27.05 | goxboxlive | diogene31: i think it's good. Maybe we can soon have the 24 kernel running on uni too |
| 21:28.18 | diogene31 | cr2: I'm pretty convinced ymerejt or someone else or even me has to report the hh.org special patches. This has to be put in hh-improved branch I think. |
| 21:28.39 | rakeem | cr2: You reckon? It's small-walkie-talkie sized... It's on my list of things to get me into trouble... It'll go perfectly with my TV-B-Gone, and my Universal's DeAuth-Broadcast Mode (when I get ACX injection working)... I'll be a walking blackout... ;-) |
| 21:28.41 | cr2 | diogene31: yes, so how does asic3_mmc will work within .24 ? |
| 21:28.58 | cr2 | rakeem: lol |
| 21:29.57 | diogene31 | cr2: I don't know. This will be a question for ymerejt. As the master branch is shared between HTC (ymerejt and you all) and the MIO, it only holds standard kernel. |
| 21:30.40 | diogene31 | cr2: The specific drivers whill be in hh-improved branch. The MIO A701 doesn't have an asic3, so I will be be lazy and won't port that part. |
| 21:30.55 | diogene31 | :) |
| 21:31.16 | rakeem | cr2: Sorry, but do you have any ideas regarding my Uni's suspected momemntary power issue |
| 21:32.17 | diogene31 | goxboxlive: Your tree is update, I can use my router as a coffee oven now :) |
| 21:32.31 | diogene31 | s/update/updated |
| 21:33.57 | goxboxlive | diogene31: :-D |
| 21:46.30 | goxboxlive | cr2: how can i make this work on a780? It should create nmea code: http://people.openezx.org/ao2/gps/ |
| 21:49.55 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes, i'm surprised that they have not merged it into gpsd |
| 21:50.25 | cr2 | rakeem: can you run 'powermon 240' in haret ? |
| 21:51.00 | cr2 | rakeem: so you can log the charging/discharging cycle. |
| 21:51.00 | goxboxlive | cr2: ao2 said this to me: |
| 21:51.03 | goxboxlive | ao2> goxboxlive, about GPS, give a look at gpsmux http://people.openezx.org/ao2/gps/ , The basis for a gpsd driver are there, I also have a skeleton driver somewhere, but, well, again, when I see the finish line I sit down and wait for someone else to cross it |
| 21:51.37 | cr2 | goxboxlive: lol |
| 21:55.09 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have roadmap running on a780 now, but it's a lttle tiny :-) |
| 21:56.20 | cr2 | yes, it's tiny even on the universal. |
| 21:56.49 | goxboxlive | cr2: did you know that a780 works without the battery in it :-) |
| 21:56.49 | cr2 | it needs better screen management. |
| 21:57.00 | cr2 | yes, you've told me. |
| 21:57.23 | cr2 | i need to check roadmap on athena :) |
| 21:57.29 | goxboxlive | well to late for me |
| 21:57.35 | goxboxlive | good night |
| 21:57.41 | cr2 | goxboxlive: think about qlandkarteM :) |
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| 22:05.51 | BabelO | :( |
| 22:08.23 | LunohoD | BabelO: wuzzup? |
| 22:08.43 | BabelO | LunohoD: still don't found the mm ctips |
| 22:14.59 | LunohoD | :( |
| 22:15.12 | rakeem | cr2: Just nipped out to 7-11... Lemme check... |
| 22:17.30 | rakeem | Hmmm... I ashamed to say this, but I've not played with Haret before... Does it come in two flavours: Instant boot (just happened), and the one with the dialog? |
| 22:17.55 | BabelO | LunohoD: i think i understand the uard autoconfig now ;) |
| 22:23.38 | rakeem | Hey BabelO: Is there any easy way to differentiate between versions of Haret with the diags dialog and the ones that punt CE straigt away? |
| 22:23.55 | BabelO | LunohoD: uart shift on omap850 is +1 , on omap730 it is +2 |
| 22:24.47 | rakeem | I've got loads of .exe's lying around and I've rebooted 7 times now looking for one with the diags... |
| 22:40.25 | BabelO | good uart2 seem to be ok ;) |
| 22:40.45 | BabelO | rakeem: don't know |
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