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| 06:13.15 | goxboxlive | g'morning |
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| 09:18.27 | Foxdie | good morning all |
| 09:18.54 | Foxdie | you guys seen www.htcclassaction.org ? |
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| 09:48.01 | kiozen | rob_w|laptop: hi, cr2 told me that you might be able to fix the log at apt.rikers.org. |
| 09:48.14 | rob_w|laptop | ? no not really |
| 09:48.23 | kiozen | ok |
| 09:48.39 | kiozen | do you know who to contact? |
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| 09:55.35 | rob_w|laptop | timriker |
| 09:55.45 | rob_w|laptop | is the guy .. what is it taht you want to fix ? |
| 09:56.11 | kiozen | log is not working for days |
| 09:57.57 | kiozen | moment, wrong address. this log is not working: http://irclog.iclem.net/?chan=htc-linux |
| 09:58.07 | kiozen | damn bookmarks :) |
| 09:58.32 | kiozen | thought I bookmarked apt.rikers |
| 10:09.28 | cr2 | morning |
| 10:10.24 | cr2 | Foxdie: i think swetland is the only person who can give a qualified answer, but i'm not sure if he is allowed to do it ;-) |
| 10:15.01 | cr2 | Foxdie: i suspect that the msm7x00 chip can't use the acceleration for fullscreen pixmaps. 7200A is probably different. it's like everybody and his friend says that sirf3 is a 20 channel GPS receiver, while it has the usual 12 hardware channels. |
| 10:15.39 | Foxdie | its my understanding of GPS that you can't see more than 12 satellites at a time anyway |
| 10:15.49 | Foxdie | so all these 32 channel receivers are useless |
| 10:16.31 | cr2 | for the current GPS sat geometry, yes |
| 10:16.49 | Foxdie | I doubt they'll ever launch more satellites |
| 10:17.33 | cr2 | but there are 12 or so russian sats (though they are not compatible), maybe galileo will produce something useful . |
| 10:19.01 | cr2 | what you really see with a correlator channel is the PRN, so it's just the capability to see different PRNs |
| 10:25.20 | cr2 | Foxdie: "Do HTC phones actually suck?". there is nothing worse than a wince mob :) It's qualcomm that actually sucks. by not publishing the chip specs. |
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| 10:40.59 | aLeSD_ | Galileo .. will never be succesfull |
| 10:41.41 | aLeSD_ | cause it isn't managed by militars |
| 10:41.52 | aLeSD_ | it's pubblic |
| 10:42.13 | aLeSD_ | they will spend 100 years to complete |
| 10:48.11 | dcordes | aLeSD, glaileo what? |
| 10:48.17 | cr2 | aLeSD_: hm,hm, ESA. |
| 10:48.33 | aLeSD_ | cr2 : no military |
| 10:48.59 | aLeSD_ | cr2 . but in GOd we trusyt |
| 10:49.13 | aLeSD_ | cr2 do u know an experto of LCD ? |
| 10:49.15 | aLeSD_ | please |
| 10:49.40 | aLeSD_ | I need a good chat with him ... and better if it knows lcdc.c |
| 10:49.50 | cr2 | aLeSD_: if the french really want it, i'd trust them to do it. it's only the question of $$$. |
| 10:49.55 | aLeSD_ | I mean the display controller used in OMAP85 |
| 10:50.12 | cr2 | aLeSD_: read the pdf doc |
| 10:50.38 | aLeSD_ | cr2 : I belive that there's alot of people that want it ... but the problem is the way of working in the public stuff |
| 10:51.32 | aLeSD_ | cr2: there's no a programming reference manual ... I can't understand how work the controller knowing only the meaning of the registers |
| 10:51.43 | cr2 | aLeSD_: then the SPL is the best data source. we are stuck with it for MSM anyway. |
| 10:51.59 | kiozen | aLeSD_: be patient. Things always take longer if the EU is involved. But in the end it worked out well, so far ;) |
| 10:52.51 | aLeSD_ | I need pH5 |
| 10:53.45 | cr2 | kiozen: n560 is unbelievably lightweight. and it runs at 104MHz. |
| 10:54.05 | kiozen | huh=! |
| 10:54.27 | cr2 | says haret. |
| 10:54.46 | kiozen | haret! ^^ |
| 10:55.09 | kiozen | but who need 604Mhz anyway |
| 10:55.17 | cr2 | the lccr4 double bit is set like on the uni, that's good. |
| 10:55.20 | cr2 | 624 :) |
| 10:55.42 | kiozen | it's more interesting how low the frequency can drop in linux :) |
| 10:56.16 | kiozen | and how good this is controled by the kernel, and if I can control it from user land |
| 10:56.17 | cr2 | i'm gathering more hardware data, so i'll certainly fix the boot problem. |
| 10:56.42 | cr2 | there are some electrical limits, and pxa27x bugs ;) |
| 10:57.51 | kiozen | let's see. good hw control is crucial for a decent GPSr |
| 11:04.06 | cr2 | kiozen: is the second usb port on the cable for the USB host ? i don't read the docs, you know :) |
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| 11:05.09 | cr2 | then i may boot off the usb stick, like i do it on athena. |
| 11:05.30 | kiozen | cr2: me either :) I always thought it compensates the used port |
| 11:05.44 | kiozen | but it might be part of the loox usb port |
| 11:06.14 | cr2 | it seems to have 2 separate cables, so my guess is that it's the usb host port. |
| 11:06.50 | cr2 | the cpu usb host itself is active and working. |
| 11:06.51 | kiozen | cr2: but don't make me stand in the woods with a loox, a cable and a USB stick. |
| 11:07.06 | goxboxlive | hi cr2 |
| 11:07.14 | cr2 | kiozen: is also takes power... |
| 11:07.31 | kiozen | the squirrels will drop dead laughing from the tree |
| 11:07.31 | BabelO | hi |
| 11:07.40 | cr2 | kiozen: but it allows to debug the boot problems better. because you don't depend on the SD. |
| 11:07.47 | cr2 | hi goxboxlive BabelO |
| 11:07.54 | cr2 | lol |
| 11:07.54 | kiozen | that's right |
| 11:08.05 | goxboxlive | I figured out that i am able to have a roadmap in fullscreen on my universal yesterday, But how the heck do i get out of fullscreen mode. |
| 11:08.11 | goxboxlive | alo BabelO |
| 11:08.19 | kiozen | hi BabelO, what's up, u r in Hamburg? |
| 11:08.30 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i've asked tsdogs about it long time ago :) |
| 11:08.46 | BabelO | kiozen: no, in february |
| 11:08.48 | LunohoD | re |
| 11:08.59 | LunohoD | is there a vnc server for wm? |
| 11:09.02 | kiozen | goxboxlive: you get it fullscreen in qpe? |
| 11:09.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: is the old map better than OSM ? |
| 11:09.45 | LunohoD | BabelO: ts doesn't work on prophet/wizard |
| 11:09.50 | cr2 | kiozen: yes, but there is no way to get out. must be a 'long tap' menu entry i guess. |
| 11:09.50 | BabelO | LunohoD: not vnc, but similar |
| 11:10.12 | LunohoD | BabelO: i need also linux client |
| 11:10.13 | cr2 | LunohoD: it's the 0xfffc1000 spi port driver missing. |
| 11:10.18 | kiozen | I would be happy to get in on the first glance :) |
| 11:10.29 | BabelO | LunohoD: ok, i m not surprised, you have to check the other spi port |
| 11:11.22 | LunohoD | cr2, BabelO: where is it? |
| 11:11.25 | cr2 | LunohoD: the ts_* tools are included in tslib ipk. |
| 11:11.27 | BabelO | LunohoD: look at kcemirror, it is the client for linux, and it embbed also the server to send to wm device |
| 11:11.42 | LunohoD | cr2: we have ts_ tools |
| 11:11.46 | cr2 | ok. |
| 11:11.56 | LunohoD | but where can i define the spi port? |
| 11:12.06 | LunohoD | BabelO: thanx |
| 11:12.16 | BabelO | LunohoD: in the source plat-omap/devices.c something like that |
| 11:12.22 | cr2 | LunohoD: you can't. you need to write a driver for it. |
| 11:12.46 | cr2 | the protocol is very simple from what i've seen in the SPL and touch.dll |
| 11:12.52 | BabelO | cr2: i hope they use same register at same position, maybe a different bus shift |
| 11:13.34 | cr2 | BabelO: i've put all the regs into wiki. and there is some of my notes in the logs. |
| 11:14.02 | cr2 | BabelO: i've not looked at the docs, it's just from the wince. |
| 11:14.14 | LunohoD | is there any spi port driver already? |
| 11:14.43 | LunohoD | [12:10] < BabelO> LunohoD: ok, i m not surprised, you have to check the other spi port |
| 11:14.52 | cr2 | LunohoD: yes, but i don't know if they are relevant. |
| 11:14.53 | LunohoD | i do not understand |
| 11:15.08 | LunohoD | cr2: what's the difference? |
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| 11:15.53 | LunohoD | i see uwire code in devices.c |
| 11:16.32 | LunohoD | is it kind of spi? |
| 11:17.10 | LunohoD | sorry for my noob questions :) |
| 11:17.29 | aLeSD_ | I can't punt a printk int the LCD irq handler ... too many ... and the kernel crash |
| 11:17.43 | aLeSD_ | LunohoD ... np I'm noober then u |
| 11:18.37 | Foxdie | cr2: in response to earlier, I agree, the fact that developers like yourselves have to make "educated guesses" as to how to get a particular component to work instead of having all the resources available to you |
| 11:19.10 | Foxdie | I think it would be beneficial if we had an "agent" in HTC to provide us with all the technical documentation we need to get things working properly and reliably :)" |
| 11:20.52 | cr2 | Foxdie: i guess they'll do it with pleasure, but they are constrained by atis, qualcomms & co. |
| 11:21.17 | cr2 | Foxdie: htc produces great hardware, but they have _zero_ passion on writing any software. |
| 11:22.16 | cr2 | judging from their binary code, they just pack something workable together and move along. |
| 11:23.45 | cr2 | LunohoD: it may have different control/data registers. i've looked at the 5912 SPI docs, and this spi port is certainly different. |
| 11:23.54 | cr2 | bbl |
| 11:31.44 | joschkopf79 | LunohoD: i was also looking into touchscreen |
| 11:32.07 | joschkopf79 | LunohoD: uwire is a kind of SPI, but OMAP has both "normal" SPI and uwire |
| 11:32.20 | joschkopf79 | however, i saw a SPI driver for OMAP2 |
| 11:32.39 | joschkopf79 | idea is to try to adapt this to OMAP1 |
| 11:32.52 | joschkopf79 | but didn't check this out in detail yey |
| 11:35.21 | goxboxlive | kiozen: yes |
| 11:38.08 | LunohoD | joschkopf79: i'll try to disassemble touch.dll |
| 11:54.23 | sadeness_ | LunohoD, shhh, reverse enginering is a crime. |
| 11:55.03 | LunohoD | i don't care |
| 11:55.14 | LunohoD | :) |
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| 12:05.51 | aLeSD_ | o u know if is it possibile to run linux on airis t620 ? |
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| 12:10.01 | aLeSD_ | it's an ARM920T |
| 12:10.05 | aLeSD_ | 300 Mhz |
| 12:18.02 | cr2 | sadeness_: you read too much eulas, it's bad for one's health ;) |
| 12:18.11 | cr2 | aLeSD_: does it run wince ? |
| 12:18.41 | cr2 | LunohoD: search for 0xfffc1000 there first. |
| 12:28.28 | dcordes | always eula first! |
| 12:28.37 | dcordes | wit my kaiser came a sticker with quick eula on it |
| 12:28.45 | dcordes | display protector |
| 12:28.51 | dcordes | saying read eula first |
| 12:30.25 | cr2 | dcordes: lol. eula does not fit on a display protector. |
| 12:30.41 | dcordes | <dcordes> display protector |
| 12:30.41 | dcordes | <dcordes> saying read eula first |
| 12:30.53 | dcordes | I can make you a photo |
| 12:31.07 | kiozen | hm, the sticker on my garmin listed all bogus patents they claim |
| 12:31.44 | cr2 | kiozen: that's true. they are all US patents, why should we care anyway ? |
| 12:31.44 | kiozen | to be fair: "Gebrauchsmuster" == patent for the U.S. |
| 12:34.12 | aLeSD_ | cr2 it runs Microsoft Windows CE 5.1.70, the cor eis Samsung S3C2440 |
| 12:34.26 | cr2 | kiozen: the only problem i have with this stuff is to separate plastic and paper. der umwelt zuliebe ;) |
| 12:34.36 | kiozen | lol |
| 12:35.14 | kiozen | cr2: to speak in your words: The U.S. don't care ;) |
| 12:36.13 | cr2 | aLeSD: run haret and post the haretlog ? |
| 12:37.39 | aLeSD_ | ok |
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| 12:55.04 | cr2 | kiozen: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1827203&postcount=1875 |
| 12:56.34 | kiozen | that wasn't me.. :) |
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| 12:59.04 | cr2 | kiozen: i wanted to reply that one can run qlandkarteM :) |
| 12:59.56 | kiozen | use roadmap, that will keep him more busy to install ;) |
| 13:00.37 | kiozen | M version still has no gps support |
| 13:00.47 | kiozen | but you can collect waypoints |
| 13:11.53 | cr2 | lol about install |
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| 13:27.48 | LunohoD | cr2: there is only 0xC1000 |
| 13:27.58 | LunohoD | cr2: is it the same? |
| 13:28.58 | cr2 | LunohoD: i think yes. 0xfff00000 offset is hidden somewhere. |
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| 14:45.36 | CVirus | What's the best Linux supported HTC device ? |
| 14:45.43 | CVirus | With GSM and Wifi |
| 14:45.49 | BabelO | htc universal |
| 14:45.49 | Foxdie | At this point, Universla |
| 14:45.53 | Foxdie | *Universal |
| 14:46.02 | CVirus | hmm |
| 14:46.20 | CVirus | the GSM is working properly .. I can make and receive calls and sms ? |
| 14:46.34 | Foxdie | with Opie II image, yes |
| 14:46.39 | CVirus | interesting |
| 14:46.43 | CVirus | I read that there were some sound problems |
| 14:47.18 | CVirus | any idea ? |
| 14:47.31 | Foxdie | the only sound problems are there are no system sounds |
| 14:47.39 | Foxdie | you can still play music files and make/receive phone calls fine |
| 14:47.45 | Foxdie | speakerphone doesn't seem to work though |
| 14:48.00 | cr2 | CVirus: yes, there is no sensible gui for the audio multiplex. |
| 14:48.21 | cr2 | Foxdie: spekaerphone ? |
| 14:48.22 | Foxdie | its a very nice interface as well |
| 14:48.33 | BabelO | Foxdie: system sound seem to be solved, when you receive call your heard a ring |
| 14:48.36 | Foxdie | fast, sharp, straight to the point |
| 14:48.58 | Foxdie | no web browser or console though, although you can bail out of OPIE to get a console as an emergency |
| 14:49.14 | Foxdie | cr2: you know, speakerphone, aka loudspeaker / hands free voice call |
| 14:49.26 | CVirus | battery ? |
| 14:49.43 | Foxdie | battery? what? |
| 14:49.46 | cr2 | Foxdie: the stereo builtin spekaers ? |
| 14:50.00 | CVirus | How long would it stay if left idle ? |
| 14:50.05 | CVirus | power management is working or not ? |
| 14:50.06 | cr2 | CVirus: charging is supported. at leats in the non-suspended state |
| 14:50.11 | Foxdie | cr2: yes, speakerphone would mean the phone call sound comes out of speakers |
| 14:50.16 | Foxdie | windows does it |
| 14:50.22 | cr2 | CVirus: suspend/resume is working. |
| 14:50.43 | Foxdie | any news on those bugs I submitted by the way? such as keyboard needs disabling in tablet mode? |
| 14:50.46 | cr2 | Foxdie: i've switched it off. because there is no gui to control it. |
| 14:51.18 | CVirus | so which is the recommended Linux image ? OpenMoko, Qtopia, GPE, OPIE ? |
| 14:51.21 | Foxdie | how hard can it be to develop applications for OPIE? |
| 14:51.42 | Foxdie | there was a library back for the zaurus that let people make OPIE applications easily |
| 14:51.48 | cr2 | Foxdie: you can do qt4 programming ? |
| 14:52.11 | Foxdie | Is it a custom language? |
| 14:52.14 | cr2 | CVirus: qtopia is where we spend most of the effort. |
| 14:52.16 | Foxdie | or is it like C? |
| 14:52.21 | CVirus | I can't seem to find the device sold on any online stores ! |
| 14:52.26 | CVirus | cr2: cool |
| 14:52.27 | cr2 | Foxdie: c++, but you need to know the toolkit. |
| 14:52.32 | Foxdie | CVirus: its a couple of years old now |
| 14:52.38 | Foxdie | want a picture of it? |
| 14:52.47 | CVirus | wouldn't mind :-) |
| 14:53.05 | cr2 | CVirus: but openmoko works too. it's just as unfinished as in its "native" environment |
| 14:53.14 | CVirus | I understand |
| 14:53.25 | Foxdie | its sold as the HTC Universal / i-mate JasJar / O2 XDA Exec / T-Mobile MDA Pro, there are pictures and linux info for it here: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal |
| 14:53.47 | cr2 | Foxdie: they peddle the msm7x00 phones instead. maybe the old phones were too good 8) |
| 14:53.54 | Foxdie | yeah :) |
| 14:54.03 | Foxdie | I still think we can get more out of this 520MHz CPU >:) |
| 14:54.10 | Foxdie | like Doom :D |
| 14:54.12 | cr2 | Foxdie: 624 :) |
| 14:54.19 | CVirus | hehe |
| 14:54.23 | Foxdie | I thought Universal CPU was 520MHZ? |
| 14:54.27 | cr2 | and ati on some phones. |
| 14:54.40 | cr2 | yes, it's the nominal value. |
| 14:54.56 | Foxdie | and Universal has ATI Imageon right? |
| 14:54.56 | CVirus | so the imate JasJar is the same as HTC Universal ? |
| 14:55.02 | Foxdie | CVirus: yes |
| 14:55.11 | Foxdie | but be careful, there's a different one similarly called the JasJam |
| 14:55.12 | CVirus | how come ? |
| 14:55.15 | cr2 | Foxdie: unfortunately not. ba/hima/athena |
| 14:55.17 | Foxdie | Rebranding. |
| 14:55.26 | cr2 | Foxdie: hermes/trinity |
| 14:55.38 | Foxdie | Universal doesn't have Imageon? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 14:55.44 | cr2 | jasjam= magician ? |
| 14:55.46 | Foxdie | Stuck with crap 2D graphics :) |
| 14:56.03 | cr2 | Foxdie: imageon is 2D ;) |
| 14:56.07 | Foxdie | although there's one 3D flight simulator that works quite well under WinCE |
| 14:56.25 | Foxdie | well yes, but accelerated 2D graphics |
| 14:56.30 | cr2 | uni is stuck with the frambuffer in SDRAM. that's what is really bad. |
| 14:56.48 | Foxdie | In which case |
| 14:56.56 | cr2 | 2D+idct accel. it's pseudo-3D for me. |
| 14:57.07 | CVirus | Does it have GPS by the way ? |
| 14:57.10 | Foxdie | CVirus: you want to buy a black Universal with 2GB SD and an extended battery? ;) |
| 14:57.22 | cr2 | CVirus: uni ? it's not soldered ;) |
| 14:57.41 | Foxdie | It doesn't have GPS, but you can easily use bluetooth GPS dongle |
| 14:57.46 | CVirus | Foxdie: price ? |
| 14:57.51 | CVirus | cr2: huh ? |
| 14:58.04 | Foxdie | Make an offer CVirus ;) |
| 14:58.24 | CVirus | I know nothing about prices |
| 14:58.34 | CVirus | Where do you live in the first place ? |
| 14:59.11 | Foxdie | its second hand, slightly scuffed and dented, but works 100%, has upgraded battery pack plus original battery |
| 14:59.15 | Foxdie | United Kingdom |
| 15:00.03 | CVirus | any idea how would it reach Egypt ? |
| 15:00.25 | Foxdie | screen is still bright, has Windows Mobile 6 upgrade on it, lots of software for Windows Mobile including TomTom 5 and 6, and 2GB SD formatted for both linux and windows, has latest OPIE 2 image on it |
| 15:00.43 | Foxdie | By recorded and insured airmail I guess |
| 15:01.14 | CVirus | how much would the shipping cost ? |
| 15:01.14 | Foxdie | oh and its unlocked ;) |
| 15:01.17 | cr2 | Foxdie: i've reflashed wince5 back, to save me the PITA with the watchdog. |
| 15:01.27 | Foxdie | watchdog? |
| 15:01.33 | Foxdie | and what pain the ass with it? |
| 15:01.33 | CVirus | and how would I pay you ? |
| 15:01.45 | cr2 | CVirus: next you'll ask about the customs charges ;) |
| 15:01.59 | CVirus | hehe |
| 15:02.04 | Foxdie | Egypt has to pay customs charges? |
| 15:02.13 | CVirus | I really need such device till I get my Neo1973 |
| 15:02.19 | CVirus | Foxdie: sure |
| 15:02.40 | Foxdie | well, in good condition they sell on ebay for £189 |
| 15:02.55 | cr2 | Foxdie: the running watchdog can#t be disabled in pxa27x. you need a daemon/kernel thread to update it periodically ;) |
| 15:03.08 | CVirus | Foxdie: pound esterling that is ? |
| 15:03.50 | Foxdie | mine has extended battery and normal battery, 2 chargers, 2 stylus, 2 sets of headphones (grey and black), 2GB SD, lots of software, but is slightly dented and scuffed |
| 15:04.15 | Foxdie | oh and a rigid vibration-free car cradle |
| 15:04.26 | Foxdie | so I guess it works out the same price with all the accessories |
| 15:04.30 | cr2 | CVirus: moko1 ? |
| 15:04.32 | Foxdie | yes, GBP |
| 15:04.41 | CVirus | cr2: GTA02 |
| 15:05.09 | CVirus | this is 2039 Egyptian pounds |
| 15:05.11 | cr2 | CVirus: hehe. vapourware :) |
| 15:05.28 | CVirus | cr2: why do you think ? |
| 15:05.36 | CVirus | cr2: it has been featured at CES |
| 15:05.37 | cr2 | right now. |
| 15:05.45 | cr2 | with working wifi ? |
| 15:05.50 | CVirus | yup |
| 15:06.13 | cr2 | then it's nice. i've not read the moko logs for some time. |
| 15:06.16 | CVirus | Foxdie: I'll think about it |
| 15:06.27 | CVirus | cr2: they say it would be out in March |
| 15:06.29 | CVirus | hopefully |
| 15:06.42 | CVirus | brb .. smoke |
| 15:06.44 | cr2 | ok. |
| 15:08.01 | Foxdie | CVirus: cool, if you prefix your message with my nickname it'll page me with the message. |
| 15:20.49 | cr2 | CVirus: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012726.html |
| 15:23.54 | cr2 | lol. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-January/012660.html |
| 15:24.45 | cr2 | *There is a gps app on qtopia |
| 15:24.52 | cr2 | what does he mean ? |
| 15:26.33 | cr2 | ah. the roadmap i'm painfully pushing on goxboxlive :) |
| 15:28.30 | Foxdie | pushing with a sharp pointy end? ;) |
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| 15:32.34 | cr2 | yeah ;) |
| 15:37.23 | kiozen | and the moment roadmap is running we theaten him with QLandkarteM :) |
| 15:40.43 | kiozen | s/theaten/threaten/ |
| 15:42.52 | cr2 | kiozen: qlandkarteM is ok. it's the gdal dependency to threaten him :) |
| 15:45.20 | cr2 | kiozen: i've an interesting problem now. how do i unify the palettes of the single tiles in a layer ? and what is the optimal m/pix, should it match the "standard" mercator 2^z line? |
| 15:48.20 | kiozen | the first is image processing. you have to quantize all shades of a color to one. The second one I do not understand your problem. |
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| 16:08.03 | cr2 | kiozen: if i scan a map, what is the optimal m/pix size ? |
| 16:08.15 | cr2 | goxboxlive: hi |
| 16:09.00 | kiozen | cr2: depends on you scanner, the scale of the map and how much data you want to handle |
| 16:09.59 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i've read on a moko list that the qtopia advantage over openmoko is "*There is a gps app on qtopia" ? |
| 16:10.34 | cr2 | kiozen: ok |
| 16:12.23 | kiozen | it surely makes no sense to scan a 100000:1 map with 1200dpi and pretend that is as good as a 10000:1 |
| 16:13.08 | kiozen | I would say a 300dpi are more than enought |
| 16:15.11 | cr2 | i have an A3 atlas, but the 300dpi may be too much for it, so it's always a very individual choice. |
| 16:18.54 | kiozen | cr2: yes, my top10 map of bavaria is monster of 6.5 GB of data. Top50 is small compared to that. |
| 16:19.53 | kiozen | a street map A3 you will scan with <100dpi |
| 16:20.22 | cr2 | what tile size do you have, and what compression ? |
| 16:20.54 | kiozen | you can't get more information than the dpi used to print the map on paper. And that is low. |
| 16:21.21 | kiozen | top10 tilesize is 256x256 |
| 16:21.37 | kiozen | usual geotiff compression |
| 16:21.44 | cr2 | i've scanned A3 at 300dpi because of the text strings. it's ~55MB per list. for a 1:5000 map it's not nice. |
| 16:21.46 | cr2 | usual ? |
| 16:22.02 | kiozen | 3.5 GB GeoGrid -> 3.0 GB GeoTiff :) |
| 16:22.18 | cr2 | usual == deflate ? |
| 16:22.30 | kiozen | moment... |
| 16:23.00 | kiozen | yes deflate |
| 16:23.52 | cr2 | ok. |
| 16:23.59 | cr2 | i've checked too :) |
| 16:24.15 | cr2 | and 50 m/pix, btw. |
| 16:24.16 | kiozen | you should use the same dpi like your screen |
| 16:24.40 | cr2 | yes |
| 16:24.46 | kiozen | so 100dpi should be fine and give you a 1:1 image |
| 16:25.27 | cr2 | 12.5 on the hires |
| 16:25.45 | cr2 | universal/n560 has 222dpi |
| 16:26.15 | kiozen | yes the map is smaller than on the pc |
| 16:26.26 | kiozen | but pc resolution is ok |
| 16:26.44 | kiozen | and this is around 96 dpi |
| 16:27.21 | cr2 | oh. 1m/pix for the best ? |
| 16:27.33 | cr2 | you'll see the trees :) |
| 16:27.50 | kiozen | well that is top10 |
| 16:28.01 | kiozen | you can count trees :) |
| 16:28.19 | cr2 | the real question for me is if it should be 1 or 1.2 (1.19....) |
| 16:28.55 | cr2 | well, but then it should be spherical mercator too. like in some not named systems :) |
| 16:29.16 | kiozen | As QLandkarte does not care, better don't scale the bitmap |
| 16:29.29 | kiozen | scaling == getting lousy |
| 16:30.01 | kiozen | the system not to name has better base data to scale |
| 16:30.04 | kiozen | :) |
| 16:30.14 | cr2 | 0.6 :) |
| 16:30.42 | cr2 | but it's not always ortorectified in an optimal way. |
| 16:31.42 | kiozen | anway with scanned maps you have to stick with the projection of the map |
| 16:31.45 | cr2 | i wish to have a nice gui for that, but i'm too lazy to modify georeferencer plugin for qgis. |
| 16:32.16 | cr2 | hmm. often you don't know it. |
| 16:32.31 | cr2 | or it is intentionally distorted. |
| 16:32.51 | kiozen | I wish to have a working proj4 4.6, there seems to be a bug |
| 16:33.04 | cr2 | isn't 4.5.0 the last ? |
| 16:33.09 | kiozen | nope |
| 16:33.36 | kiozen | but 4.6 does not read in the correction coefficients for germany |
| 16:33.41 | cr2 | ok. |
| 16:33.59 | cr2 | btw, do you still hardcode the grid shift ? |
| 16:34.04 | kiozen | that make me live at the other side of the river, ;) |
| 16:34.19 | cr2 | yeah. |
| 16:34.21 | kiozen | never did!? |
| 16:34.53 | cr2 | it was in the code before. |
| 16:35.09 | kiozen | what code? |
| 16:35.24 | cr2 | qladkarteGT |
| 16:36.10 | kiozen | ah you mean the BETA coding. yes that is still hard coded. |
| 16:36.24 | kiozen | haven't found a clean solution sofar :) |
| 16:37.06 | cr2 | ok. |
| 16:37.37 | kiozen | I wish it would be in the files |
| 16:37.52 | kiozen | but I guess I have to add it to the qmap file |
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| 16:39.08 | kiozen | QLandkarteGT can do Google Map search now :) |
| 16:47.46 | cr2 | on a pda without the network connection ? |
| 16:48.15 | cr2 | btw, can't we have some compressed dictionary for geonames ? |
| 16:50.30 | cr2 | google(earth) sucks if you leave the 0.6m/pix imagery aside. |
| 16:50.41 | kiozen | cr2: the GT version not M ;) geonames? |
| 16:51.00 | kiozen | you mean POIs (point of interest) |
| 16:51.05 | kiozen | ? |
| 16:51.25 | cr2 | i know many places where OSM is much better. especially when it comes to non-major highways. not taking about the footpaths/bike paths. |
| 16:51.36 | cr2 | yes, village names and such. |
| 16:51.54 | cr2 | many think of poi as of "personal" waypoints. |
| 16:52.21 | kiozen | there are a few ones on the net |
| 16:52.44 | kiozen | the top10 has it's own database file for addresses |
| 16:52.46 | cr2 | i still have this battle for roadmap. |
| 16:52.56 | cr2 | in which format ? |
| 16:53.04 | kiozen | *.dat :) |
| 16:53.14 | cr2 | i guess .dbf is not the best ;) |
| 16:53.25 | cr2 | hehe. |
| 16:53.40 | cr2 | .dat as in .cvs ? |
| 16:53.55 | cr2 | s/cvs/csv/ |
| 16:54.17 | kiozen | moment... |
| 16:56.12 | kiozen | cr2: konqueror says ms access, but what knows konqueror |
| 16:56.17 | reggie_ | hey folks need help with pocket pc device is that ok?? |
| 16:56.24 | reggie_ | dont know where else to go |
| 16:56.31 | kiozen | it's about 430MB and has all addresses in bavaria |
| 16:56.34 | reggie_ | hope i'm not offending the operator here |
| 16:57.53 | kiozen | cr2: header says "Standard Jet DB" |
| 16:58.05 | reggie_ | huh can anyone help |
| 16:58.18 | reggie_ | or at least point me in the right direction |
| 16:59.11 | reggie_ | ? |
| 16:59.26 | cr2 | kiozen: ok, it's the .mdb i guess. navit also has the same poi db afair ? |
| 17:00.07 | cr2 | kiozen: .mdb is the older format for ms access |
| 17:00.12 | cr2 | reggie_: ? |
| 17:00.28 | reggie_ | yes sir |
| 17:00.48 | reggie_ | have an htc phone device from tmobile |
| 17:01.01 | cr2 | what did you want to ask ? the only offending question is the unasked one :) |
| 17:01.09 | cr2 | which one |
| 17:01.11 | reggie_ | first time trying to install software on it |
| 17:01.14 | reggie_ | mda |
| 17:01.30 | cr2 | there many t-mob mda's |
| 17:01.40 | reggie_ | it's not really vital for me to have just interested in seeing how it turns out really |
| 17:01.45 | reggie_ | the iphone theme |
| 17:02.00 | cr2 | is it a .cab file ? |
| 17:02.00 | reggie_ | the one in america think it's the vario maybe? |
| 17:02.11 | cr2 | ok, does not matter on the software side. |
| 17:02.27 | reggie_ | ok well they claim it's a cab file i received it as a rar file |
| 17:02.45 | cr2 | you need to decompress it. |
| 17:02.56 | reggie_ | when i uncompressed it i see a bunch of files but nothign saying cab including a file that says setup.xml i believe |
| 17:03.27 | cr2 | that's bad. can you pastebin the list ? |
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| 17:03.33 | reggie_ | i already decompressed all the necessary files |
| 17:03.54 | reggie_ | files are not recognized by device running wm5 |
| 17:04.04 | kiozen | bbl |
| 17:04.22 | reggie_ | huh yea probably but you need to give me a minute |
| 17:04.22 | cr2 | reggie_: isn't there some discussion at xda-dev about it ? |
| 17:04.26 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:04.37 | reggie_ | huh is that an irc channel? |
| 17:04.55 | cr2 | http://forum.xda-developers.com |
| 17:05.19 | reggie_ | i will check it out |
| 17:05.34 | cr2 | search for iphone AND skin |
| 17:06.33 | reggie_ | huh last i remember they banned that discussion lol |
| 17:06.44 | reggie_ | think apple stepped in |
| 17:07.10 | reggie_ | huh can i do a printscreen onto pastebin |
| 17:07.55 | reggie_ | ? |
| 17:09.04 | cr2 | afaik no. |
| 17:09.47 | reggie_ | ahh so not sure how to show you the list |
| 17:10.04 | reggie_ | do you want link to download iphone theme file and you can look for yourself? |
| 17:12.51 | cr2 | yes, pm to me. |
| 17:14.03 | reggie_ | ok one sec |
| 17:14.16 | BabelO | LunohoD: did you check if USB OTG works with prophet ? |
| 17:14.22 | BabelO | there is module for omap |
| 17:14.38 | reggie_ | http://mahmood1.com/iphone.aspx |
| 17:14.56 | LunohoD | BabelO: usb doesn't work with .otg = 1 |
| 17:15.05 | BabelO | ok |
| 17:15.37 | cr2 | omg. 13MB ? |
| 17:15.57 | LunohoD | BabelO: i had to take the old usb driver(from 2.6.16) to make usb work on recent kernels |
| 17:15.59 | cr2 | reggie_: does not look like a skin theme |
| 17:16.23 | BabelO | LunohoD: did you see the diff between both driver to understand why ? |
| 17:17.07 | reggie_ | well it's more than just a theme it's actually functional |
| 17:17.25 | LunohoD | BabelO: i didn't have any time to do it |
| 17:17.42 | LunohoD | BabelO: but it's on my todo list |
| 17:18.31 | cr2 | reggie_: ok, then i don't know :) |
| 17:19.00 | goxboxlive | cr2: :-) thats cool, but i have seen that somebody has installed Navit with Openmoko. But the i have to say, the big lack in Qtopia is that it miss a terminal app. Everytime my phone failes something i either have to ssh it, or if i am out just reset it. If i had a terminal i could controlled a lot more. |
| 17:19.39 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what's wrong with the embedded konsole ? |
| 17:19.58 | reggie_ | ok well thanx for the help cr2 |
| 17:20.04 | reggie_ | i will try the forum |
| 17:20.39 | goxboxlive | cr2: it's not running, it compiles, but it failes and you cant even see anything with it. |
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| 17:20.48 | cr2 | goxboxlive: afair it's the xterm port anyway. |
| 17:20.57 | cr2 | goxboxlive: fails ? |
| 17:21.02 | goxboxlive | It freezes my system. I guess ljp only did it half finished |
| 17:21.12 | goxboxlive | fail's |
| 17:21.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: run it in gdb ? |
| 17:22.27 | goxboxlive | cr2: ljp hasent finished it. he hasant had it running him self, it's just a half finieshed |
| 17:22.31 | goxboxlive | source |
| 17:24.48 | cr2 | ok, but if you have the binary you can usually use strace/ltrace/gdb |
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| 17:32.39 | cr2 | hi tsdogs |
| 17:32.49 | tsdogs | cr2: hi |
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| 17:35.36 | cr2 | tsdogs: the latest roadmap version does not like the polygons with rings. but it also does not have such rendering bugs anymore |
| 17:36.23 | tsdogs | cr2: what u mean with rings? polygons which are closed (last point = first point) ? |
| 17:36.32 | cr2 | my problem now is that the cgpsmapper is a buggy program too, because it can't convert the rings in .mp into proper rings in .shp |
| 17:36.52 | cr2 | polygons are always closed. per shapefile spec. |
| 17:37.20 | cr2 | rings are the internal polygons inside the main polygon. |
| 17:38.02 | tsdogs | cr2: ok but that should make it a new polygon I think |
| 17:38.03 | cr2 | cgpsmapper made bugg may be intentional |
| 17:38.33 | cr2 | no, just think about an island in a lake. |
| 17:39.09 | cr2 | heh, it seems i need to write a proper .mp parser ;) |
| 17:39.10 | tsdogs | ho, that was discussed on the ml, and that's a problem of layers |
| 17:39.15 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:39.38 | tsdogs | cr2: I think that'd be nice anyway. |
| 17:40.15 | kiozen | cr2: aren't islands just a layer problem? |
| 17:40.25 | cr2 | hmm. it can be formulated this way too. after some initial prereprocessing ;) |
| 17:40.33 | kiozen | Garmin makes quite some layer errors, too |
| 17:40.42 | cr2 | kiozen: not in the .mp formal |
| 17:40.59 | kiozen | polygons are drawn one after another |
| 17:41.02 | cr2 | .mp follows the shapefile definition of a polygon. |
| 17:41.09 | cr2 | as a polygon with rings. |
| 17:41.20 | kiozen | thus an island has to be drawn after a lake |
| 17:41.40 | kiozen | hm, that is not the easy way |
| 17:41.44 | cr2 | kiozen: it's the filling problem |
| 17:42.06 | kiozen | it's easier to draw the lake and next the island |
| 17:42.10 | cr2 | you should not fill the island in the first place. |
| 17:42.29 | cr2 | yes, but it requires preprocessing. |
| 17:42.30 | kiozen | why not? |
| 17:43.00 | kiozen | to calculate a ring is much harder |
| 17:43.28 | tsdogs | cr2: also consider approximation for the zoom level... |
| 17:45.21 | cr2 | tsdogs: if the routing will be resolved in .img, i'm wondering if it's a better idea to switch to libgarmin instead of .rdm |
| 17:46.10 | cr2 | tsdogs: .rdm does not support points... |
| 17:46.51 | tsdogs | cr2: are there any real difference in the drawing part? we could implement a new db engine... but I'm not sure how easy it would be. |
| 17:47.24 | kiozen | drawing is the easiest part :) |
| 17:47.32 | cr2 | tsdogs: it's pita, i'm sure ;) |
| 17:47.59 | cr2 | kiozen: i'm not quite sure :) |
| 17:48.25 | cr2 | kiozen: roadmap is 'visually' much faster than qlandkarte. with the same map. |
| 17:49.02 | kiozen | because I don't do it very smart |
| 17:49.23 | kiozen | but after a year I am smarter :) |
| 17:49.27 | tsdogs | lol |
| 17:49.44 | kiozen | you can store the polylines as array |
| 17:49.51 | cr2 | roadmap make it smarter, but the code is a completely unreadable mess ;) |
| 17:50.01 | kiozen | and let proj do the transformation as block |
| 17:50.32 | cr2 | kiozen: the proj must be fixed. |
| 17:50.44 | kiozen | ? |
| 17:51.15 | cr2 | and it should be the mercator, so you'll have the sane distance calculations. |
| 17:51.47 | kiozen | you can choose mercartor :) |
| 17:52.07 | cr2 | i don't need a realtime reprojection in such app. |
| 17:52.47 | cr2 | it wastes cpu cycles. |
| 17:53.30 | cr2 | i wish somebody has modified the gps firmware to produce x_merc,y_merc instead of lat/long. |
| 17:53.48 | kiozen | no!!!! |
| 17:53.58 | cr2 | why ? |
| 17:54.16 | kiozen | that will be a pita because of the latitude of true scale |
| 17:54.33 | kiozen | greenland is not the size of africe |
| 17:54.46 | kiozen | s/africe/africa/ |
| 17:55.12 | cr2 | if you are such a purist, you can grab the raw XYZ geocentric. |
| 17:55.43 | kiozen | you can't calculate a distbce with mercator |
| 17:55.51 | cr2 | cs2cs +proj=geocent +to +proj=whatever :) |
| 17:56.20 | kiozen | then do it in wgs84 and project to whatever you like |
| 17:56.30 | cr2 | yes, i know. but it's the lesser evil. and de-facto all the imagery is in mercator. |
| 17:56.42 | cr2 | it wastes cpu cycles. |
| 17:57.07 | kiozen | if you do proj on the fly you can change lat_0 and everything is well |
| 17:57.07 | cr2 | the gps receiver converts XYZ to wgs84 internally. |
| 17:57.26 | cr2 | as in cs2cs +proj=geocent +to +proj=latlong +datum=WGS84 |
| 17:57.54 | kiozen | and with pj_transform you can do that over a block very efficently |
| 17:57.59 | cr2 | and then you tell me do do 1 more reprojection. |
| 17:58.40 | cr2 | yes, but 1 reprojection is better than 2 reprojections. good for your battery too :) |
| 17:58.58 | kiozen | tell srifIII :) |
| 17:59.15 | cr2 | "market" wants wgs84 |
| 17:59.50 | cr2 | ask a joe random gps user what is +proj=geocent, and why it's good. |
| 18:00.25 | kiozen | well you need just a projection independent format |
| 18:00.39 | kiozen | ok, dinner, bbl |
| 18:00.49 | cr2 | no. XYZ is the natural raw format. |
| 18:01.32 | cr2 | it's how you calculate a fix in the first place. |
| 18:24.52 | AlGe | Hi Babelo, |
| 18:26.12 | AlGe | I've read your notice about the wrong min/max settings in ts-adc.c and swapped it so that it makes more sense (fix-ts-adc.diff), but as cr2 already pointed out, it doesnt help to improve touchscreen quality on BA. |
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| 18:31.31 | ymerejt | hi everyone |
| 18:36.11 | AlGe | hi |
| 18:38.59 | AlGe | If I want to set a module parameter for some driver which isnt built as module, do I have to use |
| 18:39.00 | AlGe | modulename.parameter=xxx on the kernel commandline? |
| 18:42.26 | kiozen | cr2: http://www.insidepda.de/pocket-pc,Fujitsu-Siemens-Pocket-Loox-n560,faq,172.html#0 |
| 18:42.58 | kiozen | the section about calibrating the GPS, is that voodoo or real science? |
| 18:43.21 | kiozen | especially the one about resetting the device. |
| 18:43.27 | BabelO | hi AlGe |
| 18:43.48 | kiozen | does sirfIII store information on the device? |
| 18:44.15 | AlGe | Babelo: hi, any BA progress? |
| 18:45.02 | BabelO | AlGe: other try you can do is to set z1=z2 in drivers/misc/adc/tsc2200_adc_ssp.c |
| 18:45.43 | BabelO | AlGe: no, i have lot of work these day for my office, so no really time to test |
| 18:45.47 | AlGe | z is pressure? |
| 18:46.06 | AlGe | Babelo: same for me |
| 18:47.03 | BabelO | AlGe: yes, ts-adc.c driver use z2-z1 to detect pressure and debounce |
| 18:47.13 | cr2 | kiozen: in theory it's true, but i think they are exaggerating. sirf stores ephemeris & co. in internal SRAM. it also has flash, but i don't know the sirf firmware internals very well. |
| 18:47.31 | cr2 | kiozen: "ist fälschlicherweise die Tastenkombination für einen Hardreset angegeben" |
| 18:47.37 | BabelO | AlGe: but tsc2200 has already a bit register to detect touch on screen, i use it before each read |
| 18:47.48 | cr2 | kiozen: i feel confirmed. for not reading the docs :) |
| 18:48.49 | BabelO | AlGe: so maybe z1 and z2 are not really needed, you can look at our old drivers/input/touchscreen/tsc2200_ts.c to understand |
| 18:48.56 | AlGe | Babelo: that means with z1=z2 ts-adc will not see any pressure? |
| 18:50.10 | BabelO | AlGe: this driver was working nicer |
| 18:50.25 | AlGe | I will have a look. I tried with some gpe-paint programm to draw some non-interrupted line: it is impossible, you always get a dotted line |
| 18:51.43 | BabelO | AlGe: did you try with ts_test tools ? |
| 18:52.05 | AlGe | no, is it in oe? |
| 18:52.22 | BabelO | AlGe: yes with ts_calibrate |
| 18:54.02 | kiozen | cr2: so what happens to this data if linux takes over? |
| 18:55.25 | AlGe | Babelo: ah, tslib maybe ... |
| 18:58.36 | cr2 | kiozen: nothing. it stays there. |
| 18:59.09 | kiozen | ok, that is what I want to hear :) |
| 19:09.01 | LunohoD | cr2: is it possible to debug the .dll on wm device by using ida? |
| 19:14.32 | BabelO | good night ;) |
| 19:15.11 | AlGe | good night |
| 19:17.00 | cr2 | LunohoD: no, because it's the part of the kernel. and you can't set the breakpoints inside the kernel. |
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| 22:16.41 | goxboxlive | hi ymerejt |
| 22:22.11 | cr2 | goxboxlive: not sleeping ? |
| 22:22.31 | goxboxlive | cr2: no, i didnt notice thatit was that late |
| 22:22.52 | cr2 | new image ? :) |
| 22:23.07 | goxboxlive | but it doesnt matter, it's not my turn to get up with the kids tomorrow :-) |
| 22:23.36 | goxboxlive | my OE tree has been broken lately, but i saw there where a update of apmd now, so maybe it will build. |
| 22:24.42 | goxboxlive | cr2: nope, it still failes |
| 22:24.45 | goxboxlive | fails |
| 22:25.23 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:28.54 | goxboxlive | cr2: http://pastebin.no/3141 |
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| 22:32.16 | cr2 | hm. |
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