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05:32.12goxboxlivegood morninigh
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06:51.24berntgoxboxlive: good morning, but I must go to work ...
06:51.43goxboxlive:-) g'm
06:58.53paulproteusMorning.
07:00.07goxboxliveoila
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10:54.26tsdogscr2, goxboxlive: http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press/pr080114.html u seen this?
10:54.34tsdogshttp://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-01-13-android-google_N.htm?csp=34
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11:00.42cr2tsdogs: lol. "skepticism exists concerning its readiness"
11:00.59tsdogs:)
11:01.20cr2i prefer qtopia
11:01.57tsdogscr2: I really have no idea on what it is based :)
11:02.11cr2but it's not a surprise to anybody.
11:02.22tsdogsthe interesting thing is that HTC is in there too
11:02.41cr2me too :)
11:03.10cr2i mistrust vendor linux since sharp zaurus and moto a780.
11:04.15cr2and i guess the sun will stop rising before htc will provide any hw docs ;-)
11:06.04cr2wtf is "a serial high-tech entrepreneur" ?
11:06.10kiozenhi cr2, any mail today?
11:06.25kiozenbuzzzzzzzzzzzz word
11:06.37cr2kiozen: will check soon :)
11:06.52kiozenit's not the one ticking
11:07.15cr2sounds like a serial murderer to me ;)
11:07.29kiozenlo
11:08.13cr2The Company's first Linux system offering - Convergent Linux Platform (CLP) version 1.0 - based on the Qt application framework by Trolltech, was first introduced in 2006 and adopted by several handset vendors.
11:15.11cr2this flash movie does not work for me in firefox
11:16.30cr2http://usatoday.feedroom.com/?&fr_story=327dbff2b097e8e063b2efb9d548fd21f3ad8ea9&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Ftech%2Fproducts%2F2008-01-13-android-google_N.htm%3Fcsp%3D34&autoplay=true&skin=utoneclip&rf=ev
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11:18.05tsdogscr2: it does for me
11:18.52cr2At the heart of a la Mobile's Convergent Linux Platform are two patent-pending Software Mobility Engines
11:19.19cr2the generic dotcommer buzz.
11:19.29cr2tsdogs: can you create an avi/mov ?
11:20.17tsdogscr2: hmm not sure... let me see
11:20.33cr2a la Mobile has filed four (4) patents encompassing various technology elements of its Software Mobility Engines.
11:20.55_law_hi i currently build some new gpephone images for tornado devices. does anyone know if there is some kernel work (for omap) in the last few month?
11:21.37_law_btw. how qtopia perform? is it faster then gpe or openmoko=
11:21.41_law_s/=/?
11:23.06cr2_law_: don't know about the omap kernel
11:23.37cr2_law_: qtopia is the fastest, because it's not very secure :)
11:24.18_law_cr2, :-) ok, do you know if the gpl version doest support devices without touchscreen?
11:25.39cr2_law_: gpl version is the full version now.
11:25.48_law_cr2, ok nice
11:26.15cr2_law_: the gui looks like it's tuned for touchless screens.
11:26.23_law_cr2, is there any build howto? does it work via OE?
11:27.01cr2paulproteus has setup the git repository
11:27.32cr2ask goxboxlive , BabelO . they are routinely building it.
11:28.49_law_cr2, git repo for? do you have a link?
11:29.49cr2for everything. kernel and qtopia.
11:31.20cr2_law_: http://git.asheesh.org
11:31.24_law_cr2, thanks
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11:54.09aLeSD__hi all
12:33.55LunohoDcr2: can you please help me? i want to get the hh kernel and apply this patch http://linuxbox2.free.fr/artemis/patch/patch-2.6.21-hh14-omap1.diff.bz2, but there is no K2-6-21-hh14-omap1 tag in the cvs...
12:34.05aLeSD__someone know the meaning of this register ? OMAP_LCDC_LINE_INT
12:34.22aLeSD__or has something that explain it
12:37.04cr2LunohoD: take the next closest tag, i doubt that it will influence omap
12:41.31LunohoDhow can you list all tags?
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12:42.08dcordeshi
12:42.33dcordescr2: any news?
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12:52.00LunohoDBabelO: hi
12:58.07BabelOhi LunohoD
13:04.52LunohoDBabelO: i want to use your artemis patch, can you please tell me which cvs tag should be checked out?
13:05.40BabelOLunohoD: i think it is handhelds kernel 2.6.21-hh14, should be in the name of the patch
13:06.25LunohoD2.6.21-hh14-omap1?
13:06.49LunohoDshit
13:07.25LunohoDi was trying to download linux/kernel instead of linux/kernel26
13:10.00BabelOLunohoD: yes :)
13:11.21kiozenBabelO: life is good. I solved my QKeyEvent problem :)
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13:14.57BabelOkiozen: how do you solve it ?
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13:18.42kiozenBabelO: if you start an app with -qws it will be a QWSServer. Thus you can use QWSServer::processKeyEvent()
13:19.33BabelOkiozen: ok, i never use -qws ;)
13:19.38kiozenBabelO: and if you do it with the right unicode/key code pair, the text edit in focus magically gets the key events
13:19.55BabelOok
13:20.10kiozenBabelO: the interesting part is
13:20.30kiozenthat those key events never show up in the normal event Q
13:20.51kiozenQt and maybe some god knows how that works :)
13:23.57BabelOLunohoD: other thing is that running hh kernel, you have some interesting module for HTC
13:31.05BabelOLunohoD: with my patch LCD run on with omap fb accel driver ;) not vsfb
13:32.13LunohoDok. we have 2.6.16 with omapfb already
13:32.57BabelOLunohoD: ok, i just see that your current linwiaard image run vsfb
13:33.32LunohoDBabelO: linwizard-0.1.0?
13:33.39BabelOyes i think
13:33.43LunohoDBabelO: there is stable tag in the git repo
13:35.04LunohoDsilven is trying to add omap850 and wizard related stuff into the vanilla omap-linux(2.6.23)
13:35.30cr2kiozen: did not get anything yet. how big is the package and how did you send it ?
13:35.40LunohoDthere are some mmu issues, afaik
13:36.07kiozencr2: DHL, Päckchen, it's the original box
13:36.24kiozencr2: sent friday noon
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13:38.00BabelOLunohoD: ok, i not really like how omap tree is done, there is lot of register definition  all over the code, it is hard to find all
13:38.18BabelOLunohoD: and fsample board is already in kernel, so omap850 support is already here ;)
13:41.02cr2kiozen: strange.
13:42.02kiozencr2: let's wait...
13:42.57cr2tsdogs: qtek9090 is blueangel ?
13:43.21cr2kiozen: ok.
13:44.59BabelOcr2: why tsdogs buy a qtek9090 ?
13:47.53cr2BabelO: it's about android on BA. i've thought that it's uni first. which was a surprise because of the vga.
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13:52.38BabelOcr2: where do you see this ? in a forum ?
13:53.56BabelOcr2: android can be better on omap850 too ;) because of the dual core and arm926ejs (j for java) ;)
13:55.49BabelOcr2: ok i see the news in french :)
13:56.18tsdogscr2: yes 9090 is BA:)
13:56.54tsdogscr2: xvidcap ain't working on my distro it hangs, I'm not able to create the video :(
14:01.14BabelOtsdogs: cr2 : this society " A la mobile" as not done the work, i dislike the article about trying to run linux on BA :(
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14:06.01cr2BabelO: which article ?
14:06.40cr2BabelO: what i've read was just the dotcommers report to VC.
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14:17.51BabelOcr2: lot of french article about "a la mobile" and lot of big mistake, like smartphone qtek9090, or trying to run linux on qtek9090 without success and now it works with android !!
14:18.29BabelOcr2: for exemple http://www.mobinaute.com/90998-mobile-teste-systeme-android-qtek-9090-htc.html
14:18.44BabelOcr2: http://www.generation-nt.com/alamobile-demonstration-linux-mobile-android-htc-actualite-66554.html
14:18.55BabelOworks well with google translate
14:20.30BabelOcr2: better this link http://www.a-la-mobile.com/news/press.html
14:29.00cr2BabelO: dumbasses. one can lookup on xda-dev when linux was running on ba. nov 2005.
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15:34.50aLeSD__pH5!!!!!
15:35.02aLeSD__hi BabelO
15:35.07aLeSD__hi cr2
15:35.17aLeSD__we  're on the run with the LCD
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15:48.06cr2aLeSD__: so you have different LCD params ?
15:58.24elliswayhi all
16:13.44aLeSD__cr2 ... yes
16:13.56aLeSD__do you know something of the registers ?
16:14.28aLeSD__we are setting the pixel_clock ... but nothing change in the registers
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16:24.41cr2aLeSD__: IMHO it's necessary to do more gpio research before.
16:25.05cr2aLeSD__: we don't have a complete list even for 1 device.
16:25.43aLeSD__cr2 ... the register are written all in lcdc.c , isn't it ?
16:26.14cr2i hope so
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16:26.35aLeSD__cr2 tellme a way to run the kernel in mi amd64 and have a console please
16:26.38rob_whi cr2
16:26.45rob_whow is it going
16:26.49aLeSD__I need to see how lcd works
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16:28.17cr2aLeSD__: what do you mean ?
16:28.38cr2rob_w: a lot of work, not much time for hacking these days ;)
16:29.00rob_wnice, well good and bad of course
16:30.08cr2rob_w: how are you doing ? do you have a new htc phone now ?
16:30.17rob_wyes
16:30.32rob_wi am too  busy and too slughish to work on it
16:30.42rob_whtc .. ahm .. hang on
16:31.29BabelOhtc dual touch ;)
16:31.38rob_wthat one
16:31.48rob_wbut thats not its htc codename
16:32.03cr2have you run haret on it ? :)
16:32.05rob_wthe qualcomm only
16:32.25rob_wcr2: i fail to connect  to the listening haret server via usb
16:32.35rob_wbrb
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16:34.21cr2goxboxlive: i can't use qtopia now.
16:35.21rob_wre
16:35.57rob_wpH5 also failed to setup haret on usb with his device
16:36.33cr2wifi ?
16:36.36rob_wand i still want to locate those tons of code , qualcomm claims to have for
16:36.52rob_wbt, 3G Umts no wifi
16:37.41rob_wand bt is unstable even on ms ppc
16:38.56cr2hm. strange.
16:39.14cr2you can run with earlyharetlog.txt
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17:06.48rob_wcr2: no, but it sounds intertesting
17:08.26goxboxlivecr2: why?
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17:33.40cr2goxboxlive: 100MB is not enough to install your updates.
17:33.55cr2goxboxlive: so it simply killed the older install
17:34.22goxboxlivecr2: ok, then delete the older opt folder. The new one runs better
17:34.55cr2yes, i've did it, but it was not enough.
17:35.12goxboxliveall your custom config is located in the home folder anyway so you wouldnt delete any of your custom setup.
17:35.18goxboxliveohh
17:35.40goxboxlivei didnt know. Time to increase the image file then
17:35.59goxboxliveI just compiled the new roadmap source from xanadux
17:36.04goxboxliveis there any changes?
17:37.30cr2no. afaik.
17:42.41goxboxlivecr2: there is.
17:43.03goxboxlivecr2: the indicator that show if the gps has got a fix or not
17:43.10goxboxlivei was missing that in the xanadux version
17:43.38goxboxlivecr2: how do i make the arrow bigger. It's to small when i'm out driving
17:46.46aLeSD__cr2 : I'll see al the register of the CPU and in linux ... I want to see where are the differences ... what do u think ?
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18:11.03BabelOcr2: look at videos here http://www.mobinaute.com/90792-insolite-systeme-android-google-disponible-termina.html
18:11.17cr2goxboxlive: tsdogs said he merged the mainline to xanadux.
18:11.25cr2BabelO: ok
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18:12.39cr2BabelO: actually i'm amazed by the resistance to common sense . why don't they test on uni ? $$$ ?
18:13.43BabelOcr2: as far as i read this article, it is just a qemu running on linux system than ran android ;)
18:14.02BabelOcr2: so it is not a real test
18:19.52paulproteusMorning.
18:20.10cr2BabelO: ok.
18:20.21goxboxlivecr2: ok
18:20.33cr2BabelO: lol. Le système Windows Mobile 7 déjà dévoilé sur Internet !
18:20.44goxboxliveI wich he fixed the qtopia menus, so it could be ended the normal way
18:21.11cr2goxboxlive: create a new image first :)
18:21.34goxboxlivewith the new roadmap in it?
18:22.57cr2yes.
18:23.57goxboxlivewhy, it's just to replace the existing ones in /opt/Qtopia/bin
18:25.00tsdogsgoxboxlive: what u mean "fixed qtopia menus" ?
18:26.59goxboxlivetsdogs: the arrow in the left down corner
18:27.05goxboxlivedoesnt work
18:27.09goxboxliveit's dead
18:27.24tsdogsgoxboxlive: right corner? the back menu options?
18:27.33goxboxlivetsdogs: yes, that on
18:27.36goxboxlivee
18:28.17tsdogsI'll check, but I have no idea why it does not work though, it should simply emulate clicking on the cross of the window
18:28.34goxboxlivetsdogs: ok, it's the same in the mainline version.
18:28.54cr2goxboxlive: then replace it, and create an image :)
18:29.15goxboxlivetsdogs: i really enjoy your filrmamanager. Is there a way to implement execute files in it?
18:29.28goxboxlivecr2: i will, just have to stress down at work first :-)
18:30.33tsdogsgoxboxlive: it should already work, u only need to turn on the x attribute
18:30.58tsdogsgoxboxlive: only for executables though, I'm still researching for the mime types handling in Qtopia
18:31.51tsdogsgoxboxlive: shell scripts should run...
18:33.24tsdogsgoxboxlive: hmm on the qvfb (virtual frame buffer on x86_64 the back button works :/
18:35.48cr2tsdogs: i wanted to convert the OSM map for you, but we need some sane numbering scheme.
18:36.20tsdogscr2: what is your proposal?
18:36.38tsdogscr2: though osm data here around is not very detailed :(
18:36.39cr2tsdogs: do you know something about the new qt<tileid>.rdm numbering ?
18:36.57tsdogsqt?
18:36.58cr2it's your fault :)
18:37.03cr2quadtile
18:37.08tsdogshook
18:37.12tsdogsho ok
18:37.15cr2i'll look in the source.
18:37.51tsdogscr2: I think it's somehow related to osm numbers... but I really have no idea
18:38.27cr2osm does not have lat/long tiling scheme. it's all mercator
18:38.37cr2roadmap is not that far yet.
18:39.12tsdogscr2: I think it's the mobile protocol related stuff but not sure about that.
18:39.55cr2the comments in the source talk about some modifications to the "mobile protocol"
18:40.25tsdogsok, so I really have no idea :)
18:40.30goxboxlivetsdogs: ok i c. I was trying conf files and wave files
18:40.42cr2tsdogs: here ->
18:40.45cr2<PROTECTED>
18:40.46cr2<PROTECTED>
18:40.46cr2<PROTECTED>
18:40.46cr2<PROTECTED>
18:40.46cr2<PROTECTED>
18:40.46cr2<PROTECTED>
18:41.22cr2so it's qt*.rdm
18:41.25tsdogscr2: ok, but where is the tileid taken from?
18:41.35cr2lat/long pair.
18:41.42tsdogsfrom OSM then?
18:42.22cr2you pick the lat/long, and it belongs to some tile.
18:42.41cr2i think it can be used as a global scheme
18:43.06tsdogsI have qt19/68/15 and qt19/68/40
18:43.24cr2buildmap_osm_binary.c:int KMaxLon = 180000000;
18:44.15cr2ok, let's calculate the tileid
18:45.06cr2once i'll understand the tileids, we can convert the complete OSM.
18:45.43tsdogs:)
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18:50.06tsdogscr2: btw, did u find what is wrong with current source in xanadux? Or there is simply some map incompatibilty?
18:51.53cr2tsdogs: i'll try to create a map with the buildmap from newest source.
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18:52.02tsdogscr2: ok
18:52.36bernthi @all
18:53.06tsdogsgg, bbl
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19:14.01aLeSDpH5 hi
19:18.18aLeSDpH5 something worked
19:18.32aLeSDbut the freq was different
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19:24.45pH5aLeSD: hi
19:24.55pH5great, so you managed to printk the register dumps?
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19:26.17ymerejthi everyone
19:26.48aLeSDpH5: yes
19:26.58aLeSDbut there are difference
19:27.07pH5hi ymerejt
19:28.26aLeSDpH5 we saw same text
19:28.43aLeSDbut there are problems with the OMAP_LCDC_CONTROL
19:29.00pH5aLeSD: I guess the lcd freq calculation was wrong then. where are the differences? (I hope DPLL_CTRL and ARM_CKCTL are the same?)
19:30.02aLeSDI don't know about it
19:30.25aLeSDbut 2000 set the right bits
19:31.32aLeSDpH5 : I read from linux OMAP_LCDC_CONTROL : 0xF8000080
19:31.57aLeSDand in windows : OMAP_LCDC_CONTROL fe000481
19:32.18aLeSDthe bit(0) is the one that switch on the lcd
19:32.34aLeSDso I don't know why the screen is switched off
19:32.37aLeSDin linux
19:32.57pH5what about the 8/e and 0/4?
19:33.12aLeSDand I don't know the bit(11) what does mean
19:33.19aLeSDpH5 : ?
19:33.53aLeSD8/e
19:34.08aLeSDah
19:34.12aLeSDI don't know
19:34.26aLeSDdo u know it ?
19:35.10pH5the 1<<10 bit is OMAP_LCDC_CTRL_LINE_IRQ_CLR_SEL
19:35.24pH5which is never set in the lcdc driver
19:37.03aLeSDpH5 do u know that bit what do ?
19:37.25aLeSDand 8/e
19:38.36aLeSDthe strange is that the LCD is off
19:40.10ymerejtgoxboxlive, something new ?
19:40.11pH5aLeSD: no idea. do you have the omap850 reference manual?
19:40.21aLeSDdo u have ?
19:42.01pH5aLeSD: yup, but it doesn't help here. we need the omap730 manual (which I don't have)
19:43.05pH5the omap850trm only contains info about bits 7 and 11 in LCDCCONTROL :/
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19:43.46goxboxliveymerejt. No, nothing, any news from you?
19:43.56goxboxliveyou are gone :-)
19:46.14paulproteuslol, goxboxlive
19:46.52goxboxlive:-)
19:50.52Foxdie:)
19:51.01Foxdiegoxboxlive, any news on those bugs I told you about? :)
19:51.23goxboxliveFoxdie: i dont remember
19:51.29Foxdielol
19:52.09Foxdiewell, is there a place I can submit bugs / feature requests?
19:52.30Foxdieso it makes it easier for you
19:57.11paulproteusFoxdie, If you can use a wiki page, that's probably good for now.
19:57.16paulproteusOne day I'll set up Trac....
19:59.02Foxdietrac would be awesome
19:59.30FoxdieI might not be a programmer but I can sure help test the images and submit bug reports :)
20:01.39Foxdiecan provide file mirroring and some cpu time if needed
20:03.07Foxdiealthough I'm not sure if a 4 core 64bit xeon server can cross compile for xscale / arm *scratches head*
20:06.19Foxdiethe offer is there whether it can or not.
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20:20.11cr2Foxdie: it can be a 124core cpu, but it does not matter. i don't use 32bit machines for a long time.
20:37.52aLeSDpH5 lcdc.c is a module that do only an init ... I mean noone outside call its function ?
20:39.03pH5aLeSD: it registers itself with the omap lcd_panel infrastructure, so its functions are called from omapfb
20:39.58aLeSDit will be hard
20:42.03aLeSDpH5 noone else is writing on register , is it right ?
20:42.08aLeSDI mean in the LCD ones
20:42.41aLeSDpH5 I have text
20:42.51aLeSDunbelivable no ?
20:44.17aLeSDpH5 how to disting between an LCD and nother in the lcdc.c ?
20:44.25aLeSDI mean if my init is different ?
20:44.40aLeSDI can't change the code for all
20:48.55pH5aLeSD: right, nobody else should touch those registers.
20:49.31pH5to change the code properly you'd first have to figure out the meaning of those LCDCONTROL bits...
20:50.23pH5for your current purpose (getting linux to run at all) you could do it with an #ifdef for your machine, but in the long run knowing what we are doing here would be nice :)
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21:04.48LunohoDpH5: do you know wtf is atag?
21:06.32pH5LunohoD: it's a tagged list of parameters the bootloader passes to the kernel (memory size and position, cmdline, etc.)
21:06.42pH5read Documentation/arm/Booting
21:06.51LunohoDpH5: can it crash the kernel?
21:07.23LunohoDthere was no atag in 2.6.16
21:07.24aLeSDpH5: I think I have a problem of clock ... II see some text and after a while nothing
21:07.39LunohoDpH5: i'm looking at head.S and head-common.S
21:07.43aLeSDI think that the LCD stay connected for a while and after close the comunication
21:07.44pH5LunohoD: sure. if you lie to the kernel about the memory position for example, it will not work
21:08.49LunohoDpH5: silven says the kernel is dying after enabling the mmu
21:13.17LunohoDpH5: and what's ATAG_CORE?
21:14.25LunohoDok
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21:37.27aLeSDpH5 I read something : RAMDISK couldn't find a valid
21:37.30aLeSDafterter something more
21:37.30aLeSDand a kernel panic
21:37.30aLeSDthan the lcd dye
21:37.30aLeSDany idea ?
21:37.33aLeSDI want to try to turn off the usb support
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22:08.21aLeSD_pH5 ... I have the net on the device ... don't ask me why ::: I'm soo stupid
22:08.49aLeSD_look
22:09.10aLeSD_<3>omapfb-lcdc: resetting (status 0xffffff96,reset count 33)
22:09.10aLeSD_<3>omapfb-lcdc: resetting (status 0xffffff96,reset count 65)
22:09.10aLeSD_<3>omapfb-lcdc: resetting (status 0xffffff96,reset count 97)
22:09.10aLeSD_<3>omapfb-lcdc: too many reset attempts, giving up.
22:09.37cr2tsdogs: i've recreated the maps using current CVS, and the polygons are visible.
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22:19.45BabelOdiogene31: hello toulouse ;)
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22:24.12cr2hi lamikr
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22:28.23_law_hi all, i have build a up to date htc tornado console image http://project.linuxtogo.org/~law/htctornado/gpephone/images/20080115/
22:28.39_law_now ill take a look at qtopia
22:30.33univacphone calling works?
22:31.37paulproteus_law_, If you need to patch Qtopia to work with the Tornado modem, please commit the changes to my Qtopia git repository if you can.
22:33.15_law_paulproteus: ok is there a patch?
22:33.30_law_no no phone calls yet...
22:33.54paulproteus_law_, There's a git URL - http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Qtopia has the info.
22:34.06paulproteusIt's automatically updated to the latest Qtopia snapshots, btw.
22:35.17_law_paulproteus: i have already seen your repo
22:35.25paulproteusOkay good.
22:35.43_law_is there any other htc (omap) device, where linux boots?
22:35.51_law_and someone works on.
22:37.31paulproteusWell, #linwizard for Wizard, and goxboxlive and ymerejt are working on Universal.  I don't recall the chips they use.
22:37.54_law_hmm if i try to connect via ssh (dropbear) to my tornado i got a kernel panic.
22:37.58_law_via usb
22:57.31diogene31Babel0: Hit there. How do you know ?
22:59.28BabelOdiogene31: because mur31 is the town where during my studies i want to go to learn "hyper frequencies"
23:01.47diogene31BebelO: Quite clever of you. I'm impressed. And where exactly ?
23:03.21BabelOdiogene31: it was for a specialiti ( bac+3 ) after my (bac F2), i don't remember the name of the school, i ll look ;)
23:07.59BabelOdiogene31: i m not sure about the school i just remember it was at muret ;)
23:19.35diogene31BabelO: :) Time to sleep ... Bye folks.
23:19.45BabelOnight
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23:52.36cr2hehe. buildus is allergic to non-ascii in state names
23:53.23BabelOgood night
23:54.58cr2good night

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