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| 01:00.40 | cr2_ | Kevin2: i get an error compiling haret |
| 01:00.43 | cr2_ | src/irq.cpp: In function 'int printTrace(uint32, irqData*)': |
| 01:00.44 | cr2_ | src/irq.cpp:228: error: '_snprintf' was not declared in this scope |
| 01:00.44 | cr2_ | src/irq.cpp:230: error: '_snprintf' was not declared in this scope |
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| 01:15.46 | cr2_ | one more error |
| 01:15.49 | cr2_ | src/wince/stubboot.cpp: In constructor 'dummyListVar::dummyListVar(const char*)': |
| 01:15.50 | cr2_ | src/wince/stubboot.cpp:25: error: no matching function for call to 'listVarBase::listVarBase(int, const char*&, int, uint32*, int, int, int)' |
| 01:15.50 | cr2_ | include/script.h:148: note: candidates are: listVarBase::listVarBase(const char*, int (*)(), const char*, const char*, uint32*, void*, uint, uint) |
| 01:15.50 | cr2_ | include/script.h:145: note: listVarBase::listVarBase(const listVarBase&) |
| 01:16.05 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 01:16.26 | cr2_ | hi Kevin2 |
| 01:16.37 | cr2_ | got some problems compiling haret |
| 01:17.08 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. It compiles clean for me. |
| 01:17.19 | cr2_ | i've installed wm6 on uni, and it really crashes somewhere in the init.d phase |
| 01:17.40 | cr2_ | maybe my cegcc version is not the latest ? |
| 01:17.52 | cr2_ | i forgot when i compiled it. |
| 01:18.03 | Kevin2 | I'm using cegcc-mingw32ce-0.50-1 |
| 01:18.43 | cr2_ | arm-wince-mingw32ce-gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 |
| 01:19.09 | Kevin2 | Same here: arm-wince-mingw32ce-gcc (GCC) 4.1.0 |
| 01:20.25 | cr2_ | ok, the listvarbase is easy to check. |
| 01:21.16 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Oh, you're still using the old linload stuff - okay - I can fix that. But, you really should use the make-bootbundle.py stuff. |
| 01:21.57 | cr2_ | i don't need initrd |
| 01:22.14 | cr2_ | and it does not work without |
| 01:22.21 | Kevin2 | Use /dev/null as your initrd. |
| 01:22.44 | Kevin2 | (If you look at the Makefile, linload does the same thing.) |
| 01:23.21 | cr2_ | mingw32ce/arm-wince-mingw32ce/include/stdio.h _snprintf is declared here. |
| 01:24.27 | cr2_ | i've added #include <stdio.h> to src/irq.h and it compiles now. |
| 01:25.27 | Kevin2 | I've checked in a fix to stubboot.cpp |
| 01:25.41 | cr2_ | ok, updating. |
| 01:26.23 | cr2_ | nice. |
| 01:30.23 | Kevin2 | cr2_: On my version of cegcc, windows.h pulls in stdio.h automatically. |
| 01:33.00 | cr2_ | ok. |
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| 01:33.33 | cr2_ | i've started cloning the linuxtogo kernel.git and going to bed. good night |
| 01:34.07 | J4k3 | woo finally got my phone activated |
| 01:36.06 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Good night |
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| 01:52.15 | kyppcgeek | ? |
| 01:52.19 | kyppcgeek | gueten tag |
| 01:52.48 | kyppcgeek | hola |
| 01:52.48 | kyppcgeek | hello |
| 01:52.55 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 01:53.20 | kyppcgeek | wow someone is alive |
| 01:53.20 | kyppcgeek | lol |
| 01:53.59 | kyppcgeek | kevin we get the cdma working yet |
| 01:54.09 | kyppcgeek | for the apache |
| 01:54.28 | Kevin2 | No, I haven't had time to work on it. |
| 01:54.56 | kyppcgeek | shucks |
| 01:55.05 | kyppcgeek | the rest looks good |
| 01:55.25 | kyppcgeek | that is my only hold up |
| 01:55.43 | Kevin2 | kyppcgeek: You've tried the new installer? |
| 01:55.52 | kyppcgeek | not yet |
| 01:56.00 | kyppcgeek | off sd card right? |
| 01:56.39 | Kevin2 | Yeah. Just copy down the two files and run the .exe. |
| 01:57.14 | kyppcgeek | i will look at tomorrow after last exam |
| 01:58.10 | kyppcgeek | where do i download those .exe files? |
| 01:58.35 | Kevin2 | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux |
| 01:58.54 | kyppcgeek | tx |
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| 08:51.35 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i've installed wm6, and it reboots at a random place in init.d |
| 08:53.41 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: it may be some evil conspiracy like on a780. if the pxa cpu does not respond to some signal from the phone, then the phone resets it. heh. one more reason why you'd like to control the phone firmware too. |
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| 08:57.56 | imanex | anyone erand? |
| 08:58.58 | imanex | anyone hav a kernel that works for the htc beetles? |
| 09:01.24 | Tipolosko | hi imanex :) |
| 09:09.08 | imanex | hey dude sup |
| 09:10.10 | imanex | coders havent even finished the universal driver yet |
| 09:10.27 | imanex | how am i sposed to do it lol... if im to put linux on my phone, it wont make phone calls. |
| 09:10.33 | imanex | i think i shud just wait |
| 09:12.46 | Tipolosko | yes, you're right imanex |
| 09:15.58 | Tipolosko | i'm only trying to get a root fs mounted at boot :) |
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| 09:28.34 | BabelO | hi |
| 09:30.03 | cr2_ | hi BabelO |
| 09:30.44 | cr2_ | do you have some new data about artemis gpios ? |
| 09:30.46 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i c, is there a way we can ovveride it? |
| 09:31.35 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i'll do some research with haret. the dlls are rewritten from scratch (rilgsm) |
| 09:31.44 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 09:32.28 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i think that some asic3 initial settings should be changed. |
| 09:32.44 | goxboxlive | cr2_: ok |
| 09:32.57 | BabelO | cr2_: no just some new data for fm radio :) power on / off now need to look at i2c bus |
| 09:33.17 | cr2_ | but i need to test it first. |
| 09:33.31 | cr2_ | BabelO: is it possible to trace i2c on omap850 ? |
| 09:34.31 | BabelO | cr2_: yes i can rtace i2c when camera is powered up |
| 09:35.02 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i think that with the current settings the power is applied to bluetooth at startup. maybe we need to make some changes in haret too, so the machine starts at some clean and predictable state. |
| 09:35.46 | cr2_ | BabelO: then why it's not possible to trace the i2c cpld on other omap850 phones ? |
| 09:36.00 | goxboxlive | ok, i know we have some issues with wifi on in wince when linux boots ts stops working. Is this related? |
| 09:38.16 | cr2_ | maybe. the asic3 .init settings were copied from wince, and they are certainly suboptimal. |
| 09:38.45 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 09:38.50 | imanex | cr2_ |
| 09:38.54 | imanex | u there broz? |
| 09:39.13 | imanex | u wudnt hav a compiled copy of universalkernel wud ya |
| 09:39.21 | imanex | id have to format to install linux |
| 09:39.26 | imanex | to use gcc |
| 09:39.42 | imanex | are the drivers for the kernel just modules? |
| 09:40.12 | imanex | ppl must hate me lol |
| 09:40.56 | BabelO | cr2_: i can trace i2c from omap cpu itself, i did not look at the other i2c / spi adress |
| 09:42.39 | cr2_ | imanex: you should compile the kernel for beetles. hmm. psokolovsky had some autobuild running ? |
| 09:43.38 | Tipolosko | can someone tell me if sd storage support in hermes is working? can the kernel mount a rootfs? and how about keyboard driver? Thanks :) |
| 09:45.19 | cr2_ | Tipolosko: no, SD does not work. and there is no keyboard driver yet. |
| 09:46.19 | Tipolosko | cr2_: ok, thanks! If you need a crazy beta tester ... i'm here :) |
| 09:50.16 | imanex | cr2_: u wudnt know the best time for me to catch him? |
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| 10:00.36 | cr2_ | imanex: didn't see him for a long time. |
| 10:02.59 | imanex | cr2_ u wudnt hav an email? |
| 10:06.01 | imanex | cr2_: for him i mean?, or cud u pass on mine? |
| 10:08.06 | cr2_ | imanex: http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-bugs/0/0078.html |
| 10:09.18 | imanex | do i use the add in to compile? |
| 10:09.30 | imanex | im downloading virtual pc, im gonna make a virtual 6gb hdd |
| 10:09.34 | imanex | and run linux in a window |
| 10:09.40 | imanex | to i can compile... (cr2_) |
| 10:09.46 | imanex | brb ciggy |
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| 11:27.49 | BabelO | hi Kevin2 |
| 11:29.21 | BabelO | Kevin2: i just read your email, good news if you can boot both devices without issue |
| 12:32.35 | dcordes | hey ppl |
| 12:34.25 | dcordes | cr2_: any kaiser related news? I read you do not have a keyboard driver for hermes yet. Made me wonder if hermes and kaiser keyboard are similar |
| 12:39.40 | dcordes | I will try to broaden kaiser gpio and start off with the cpld if somebody can tell me how |
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| 15:24.46 | paulproteus | Wow, I'm amazed that people are using this 178-page thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=251584&page=178 |
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| 16:09.48 | dcordes | paulproteus: it's maybe a good indicator for people not being happy with their OS on their phones |
| 16:11.46 | paulproteus | That's a very nice way to look at it. |
| 16:12.21 | dcordes | paulproteus: what's your machine? |
| 16:13.13 | paulproteus | I have a Magician but goxboxlive hasn't been keeping it very up to date, and I don't have my own OpenEmbedded environment set up so I figured I'd just buy a Universal (which should arrive today) and use that. (-: |
| 16:13.30 | paulproteus | Obviously it's not as if it's goxboxlive's *job* to maintain my phone; don't misread the above.... |
| 16:13.52 | dcordes | maybe you could have figured to setup OE |
| 16:13.58 | dcordes | nothing easier |
| 16:14.11 | paulproteus | Well, also I really hate the hard reset annoyance. |
| 16:14.33 | dcordes | what chipset does magician havE? |
| 16:14.41 | paulproteus | I dunno, you'd have to check the wiki. |
| 16:15.00 | paulproteus | Now that I think about it, I did set up an OE environment, but then I forgot about it because testing different Linux systems was such a pain because Windows takes a hard reset at each Linux boot. |
| 16:15.12 | paulproteus | I figure that'll be more fun on the Universal also. |
| 16:15.43 | paulproteus | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/MagicianHardware fwiw |
| 16:16.08 | dcordes | fwiw? |
| 16:16.12 | paulproteus | For what it's worth |
| 16:16.29 | paulproteus | That should hopefully answer your chipset question. |
| 16:17.06 | dcordes | pxa272 |
| 16:19.11 | paulproteus | What about you + hardware? |
| 16:21.26 | dcordes | htc kaiser |
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| 16:31.41 | paulproteus | What software are you running on it and how do you like it? |
| 16:32.17 | paulproteus | Hmm, is that like a more modern Universal? (-: |
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| 16:35.18 | paulproteus | Whoa, not even a wiki page about it on handhelds.org? |
| 16:35.30 | paulproteus | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary?action=highlight&value=kaiser ... |
| 16:40.44 | cr2_ | paulproteus: it's not supported, so there is no page. |
| 16:41.11 | cr2_ | and universal has a nice vga screen. |
| 16:41.40 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: I'm the one making the images to Universal too :-) They are not more updated than images for magician |
| 16:42.03 | paulproteus | goxboxlive, I guess I stopped updating because of the hard reset annoyance. |
| 16:42.11 | paulproteus | It's okay, I'll just use the Universal ones. (-: |
| 16:42.57 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: All the immages are up2date. If you you want it daily updated just run ipkg update |
| 16:44.13 | dcordes | cr2_: did I asked you yet how to scan for CPLDs? |
| 16:45.44 | dcordes | s/ asked/ ask/ |
| 16:46.46 | goxboxlive | dcordes: did you buy a gta01? |
| 16:46.58 | dcordes | goxboxlive: nope |
| 16:47.15 | goxboxlive | me neither. I'm waiting for the version 2 |
| 16:47.17 | dcordes | I thought about a gta02 but this plan got obsoleted by kaiser |
| 16:47.29 | goxboxlive | ok :-) |
| 16:47.41 | dcordes | possibly when I will job a bit next year I will afford one |
| 16:47.42 | goxboxlive | wonder when they ship it |
| 16:47.56 | dcordes | good question |
| 16:48.20 | goxboxlive | someone mention the FOSDEM . Is that in february? |
| 16:48.25 | paulproteus | I'm borrowing my office's dev GTA01 that has the sleeping hardware flaw. |
| 16:49.15 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: is it slow? |
| 16:49.36 | paulproteus | Sorta slow, but the real killer was the battery life is so poor I haven't much used it. |
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| 16:50.32 | dcordes | paulproteus: your office has neo? |
| 16:50.48 | paulproteus | dcordes, Yeah, I work for Creative Commons and Jon Phillips there got sent a dev Neo. |
| 16:50.59 | dcordes | kul :) |
| 16:52.38 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: tested it with Qtopia running instead of Openmoko? |
| 16:52.44 | paulproteus | Yup |
| 16:52.48 | paulproteus | Qtopia was more fun, I admit (-: |
| 16:53.09 | paulproteus | But this was when phone stuff was stabilizing in OM, and I haven't retried OM since the dialer stabilized. |
| 16:53.15 | goxboxlive | Yes, but is it also slow with Qtopia? |
| 16:53.50 | paulproteus | Qtopia was not lightning-quick. |
| 16:53.58 | paulproteus | It was noticeably not super snappy but not a pain to use either. |
| 16:54.09 | dcordes | no terminal? |
| 16:54.13 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: hmm i c. Have you tested Qtopia on your Universal? |
| 16:54.25 | goxboxlive | dcordes: it exist, but needs works. |
| 16:54.35 | paulproteus | Not Qtopia, only OM I think. |
| 16:54.48 | paulproteus | Testing is such a painful experience on the Universal.... |
| 16:54.49 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: ok, Qtopia is fast on universal. |
| 16:54.59 | paulproteus | Er, I mean on Magician! |
| 16:55.00 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: ???? I have made easy installers |
| 16:55.02 | paulproteus | Pardon me. (-: |
| 16:55.23 | paulproteus | I don't have the Universal yet; hopefully it'll come today. |
| 16:55.55 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: Ok, i am not using magician as adaily phone so i dont care about the hardreset. But you are also able to use a usb bootloader. |
| 16:56.00 | goxboxlive | ok, i c |
| 16:56.09 | paulproteus | "USB bootloader"? |
| 16:56.19 | paulproteus | What are you using as a daily phone? |
| 16:58.30 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: A780, but it sucks too |
| 16:58.38 | paulproteus | Hah, I see. |
| 16:58.40 | goxboxlive | Universal also sucks :-) |
| 16:58.51 | paulproteus | What's wrong with the Universal? (-: |
| 16:58.55 | goxboxlive | I need a new phone, but i dont know wich |
| 16:59.26 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: it runs wince wich is slow, and linux isent working good enough on it to use it as a main phone |
| 16:59.47 | paulproteus | Well, can't we just fix that last problem? (-; |
| 17:00.04 | goxboxlive | Magician has good support in linux, but lacks the bootloader and phone support in Qtopia. |
| 17:00.17 | goxboxlive | The battery last long on magian, but not on universal |
| 17:00.33 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: we could have fixed it for two yeaa |
| 17:00.35 | paulproteus | And I guess the Universal extended batteries make it too huge to use? |
| 17:00.43 | goxboxlive | years ago, |
| 17:00.59 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:01.20 | paulproteus | So what problems are there with Linux on Universal that make it not good enough for daily use? |
| 17:01.45 | paulproteus | Other than battery - and maybe that's fixable? Does sleep work? (Can it?) |
| 17:02.06 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: yes, but not the modem, it doesnt wake up |
| 17:02.49 | paulproteus | By "modem" you mean all GSM functionality, not just GPRS but voice stuff too I guess. |
| 17:02.54 | goxboxlive | The hardware is kind of complicated and cr2 is alone making the drivers for it. |
| 17:03.01 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:03.08 | paulproteus | Well, anything I can do in the future to help w/ modem wake up? |
| 17:03.38 | goxboxlive | paulproteus: if you know anything about kernel dev you are welcome to help us make it better. |
| 17:04.03 | goxboxlive | First we need to fix the battery draining on it. Then make it work with latest wm6, |
| 17:04.22 | paulproteus | I know a little bit about kernel dev; where would I begin? |
| 17:04.39 | paulproteus | *very little bit*, though (-: |
| 17:04.58 | paulproteus | I'm proficient enough with C to not be totally lost, basically. |
| 17:06.54 | paulproteus | But I don't really know how you'd start investigating a power drain. |
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| 17:10.28 | dcordes | maybe trace IRQ/gpio activity :D |
| 17:10.40 | dcordes | me as low level master would suggest this |
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| 17:11.49 | paulproteus | Pretend I've never done anything like that before. (-: |
| 17:12.05 | paulproteus | That doesn't mean I *won't*, it just means I'd need to be told how and what to look for etc. |
| 17:13.46 | dcordes | you could als go on about it in a bit more simple way. maybe just watch battery discharge rate with different parts of your hardware active |
| 17:16.29 | cr2_ | paulproteus: if you know C, then write the BTS compiler :) |
| 17:16.37 | paulproteus | cr2_, BTS? |
| 17:16.49 | cr2_ | TI bluetooth script. |
| 17:17.37 | cr2_ | i have a working decompiler, and a huge collection of .bts files. some of them even with comments |
| 17:17.44 | paulproteus | Oh wow. |
| 17:17.56 | paulproteus | Well, my top priority would be working wake on Universal. |
| 17:18.02 | paulproteus | Does this get us anywhere closer to that...? |
| 17:18.18 | cr2_ | i've written some short summary for the registers. |
| 17:18.33 | cr2_ | wake over BT ? |
| 17:18.57 | paulproteus | No, I mean modem wake. |
| 17:19.16 | cr2_ | BT is the only area where some progress can be done. |
| 17:19.37 | paulproteus | *sniffle* |
| 17:19.39 | cr2_ | modem wake needs disassembling and understanding some weird code in rilgsm |
| 17:19.47 | paulproteus | Interesting... |
| 17:20.05 | cr2_ | btw, i don't see _this_ part in wm6 rilgsm |
| 17:20.14 | paulproteus | ? |
| 17:20.15 | cr2_ | it's completely rewritten. |
| 17:20.27 | cr2_ | maybe that's the reason for wm6 crash. |
| 17:20.42 | cr2_ | look at the universalasic3 wiki page |
| 17:21.02 | paulproteus | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalASIC3 |
| 17:21.58 | paulproteus | I don't see what I'm looking for. |
| 17:22.36 | BabelO | hi |
| 17:22.43 | paulproteus | Howdy BabelO. |
| 17:22.45 | dcordes | cr2_: how can I scan cplds? |
| 17:23.18 | BabelO | cr2_: we have to change power on /off for bt / wifi for uni and for phone to -> /sys/class/something |
| 17:23.40 | cr2_ | paulproteus: GPIOB3 |
| 17:23.53 | paulproteus | BaseBand Alert? |
| 17:23.54 | BabelO | cr2_: i mean for other device too, but BA have pcmcia to control wifi, so power on/off is ok |
| 17:24.55 | cr2_ | paulproteus: it has some periodic activity correlated with pxa GPIO110, which is radio reset. |
| 17:25.25 | cr2_ | BabelO: maybe a "switch" ? |
| 17:26.52 | paulproteus | cr2_, I don't quite follow still, sorry to be dense. We're talking about modem wake now? You're saying that there's a GPIOB3 on the Universal's ASIC3 that has periodic activity correlated with the chipset's GPIO110, which is radio reset - what do you mean by radio reset? |
| 17:27.19 | paulproteus | Radio reset means that activity on that GPIO110 turns off and on the modem? |
| 17:35.27 | BabelO | cr2_: yes, for each... so we software side can on/off or keep it on when device is in standby |
| 17:38.17 | cr2_ | paulproteus: GPIO110 is used in the full modem reset, and GPIOB3 is the only gpio that can be phone wakeup. it's function is unclear and is not managed by linux kernel now. |
| 17:38.32 | paulproteus | cr2_, Oh, I see. |
| 17:38.54 | paulproteus | Any way we can clarify its function? By disassembling the Windows stuff I guess and looking for references to it? |
| 17:39.08 | cr2_ | the second such "unknown" gpio is the BT wakeup. |
| 17:39.38 | cr2_ | paulproteus: i#ve already done it before, but it's a rather big chunk of code. |
| 17:40.03 | cr2_ | well, there is no other way for us. |
| 17:40.19 | cr2_ | using the stolen wince bsp is not an option. |
| 17:40.27 | paulproteus | Huh? |
| 17:40.40 | paulproteus | What's this that's not an option exactly? |
| 17:40.56 | paulproteus | Are you referring to doing something like ndiswrapper for a WinCE driver? |
| 17:41.30 | cr2_ | there is the wince source code for universal somewhere in the dark corners of intraweb ;) |
| 17:42.01 | paulproteus | Oh. |
| 17:42.12 | paulproteus | So why don't we ask someone to read it, and write docs? |
| 17:42.47 | cr2_ | the warez dudes are not used to such things. |
| 17:43.31 | paulproteus | Yes, so get e.g. me to get a warez copy and be an intermediary for you to ask questions of. |
| 17:43.44 | cr2_ | they could have published it anonymously somewhere, if they wanted. |
| 17:43.55 | cr2_ | but still they didn't do it. |
| 17:44.19 | cr2_ | and i didn't want to get it myself. |
| 17:44.36 | cr2_ | the risk of a microsoft provocation is too high. |
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| 18:07.44 | cr2_ | paulproteus: the best thing we can do now, is to try and document the haret debugging process |
| 18:08.01 | paulproteus | Sounds good to me; I can write docs since I'm a total n00b. |
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| 18:09.01 | paulproteus | cr2_, I'm going to leave home now and go to work, but I'll read the page about Apache on handhelds.org and get back to you later. |
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| 18:10.58 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 18:12.13 | cr2_ | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace |
| 18:12.40 | cr2_ | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HaRET_20Documentation |
| 18:13.13 | cr2_ | the phonetrace can be used for the BT trace too. |
| 18:26.53 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: wm6 is buggy as hell. |
| 18:27.01 | cr2_ | on universal |
| 18:27.29 | cr2_ | i'm not surprised that it's just a hack. |
| 18:27.59 | cr2_ | that does not excuse linux boot crash, though. |
| 18:30.18 | goxboxlive | buggy? how? |
| 18:31.23 | cr2_ | wifi is off, but the icon shows it on, and i needed a soft reset to make it work. |
| 18:31.50 | cr2_ | sometimes it slows down without any reason, and only soft reset helps. |
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| 18:34.55 | cr2_ | but it's faster than wince5 |
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| 19:18.21 | kiozen | hi |
| 19:20.35 | BabelO | hi kiozen |
| 19:29.04 | kiozen | btw new project site http://sourceforge.net/projects/qlandkartegt/ |
| 19:29.15 | kiozen | starting to fill the repository :) |
| 19:35.36 | BabelO | kiozen: oh oh :) |
| 19:35.42 | goxboxlive | cr2_: ok |
| 19:35.42 | BabelO | screenshot ???? lol |
| 19:35.48 | BabelO | kiozen: i joke |
| 19:35.55 | kiozen | no, wait :) |
| 19:38.55 | kiozen | not the mobile app, but at least the PC side app: http://qlandkartegt.sourceforge.net/snapshot1.png |
| 19:39.17 | kiozen | looks familiar, doesn't it? |
| 19:39.41 | BabelO | hmm you have a screen bigger than mine :( |
| 19:39.53 | BabelO | map look very nice ;) |
| 19:41.00 | kiozen | 1:10000 topographic map from the state authorities :) |
| 19:41.19 | kiozen | the screen is a 17'' (DEL XPS M1710) |
| 19:43.45 | BabelO | kiozen: i have a 22 inch 1600x1050 acer , and your screenshot look big :) |
| 19:44.10 | BabelO | kiozen: is it a theme that color your map ? |
| 19:44.35 | kiozen | no, these are raster maps (GeoTiff) |
| 19:44.50 | kiozen | the original is some proprietary crap by EADS |
| 19:45.19 | BabelO | kiozen: ah sorry i have not understand |
| 19:45.29 | BabelO | eads sound familar to me |
| 19:46.05 | kiozen | http://www.eads.eu/1024/en/Trailer_EADS.html |
| 19:46.19 | kiozen | it shouold sound familiar to you :) |
| 19:47.27 | kiozen | they provided some wired patent loaded format to German officials to store the official maps |
| 19:47.37 | kiozen | the patent expired last year |
| 19:47.58 | kiozen | mpr2gtiff is a converter app |
| 19:48.24 | BabelO | kiozen: it sound familarbecause it is at toulouse and i have a friend who work there |
| 19:48.47 | kiozen | QLandkarteGT let's you view those maps and let you cut subsets out of it to transfer to mobile devices. |
| 19:49.32 | kiozen | yes toulouse is a big part of it. the other one is from Ottobrunn at munich, where I come from :) |
| 19:50.58 | kiozen | QLandkarteM will be the moving map app for mobile devices. Currently it is just some hardcoded viewer to proof concept. |
| 19:51.12 | cr2_ | hi kiozen |
| 19:51.17 | kiozen | hi cr2_ |
| 19:51.35 | kiozen | found anything in that big dump pile? |
| 19:51.50 | cr2_ | kiozen: the screenshot looks nice, but i don't like the f1-f10 pane |
| 19:52.00 | kiozen | :) I love it |
| 19:52.20 | cr2_ | yes, i'm looking how to demux the sd and wifi. it seems to be the most important thing on this device. |
| 19:52.30 | cr2_ | i know :) |
| 19:52.44 | kiozen | you can use it as a normal menu, too |
| 19:52.49 | cr2_ | but it does not fit well into the pda/phone screen |
| 19:53.07 | kiozen | the mobile version will not have it |
| 19:53.13 | cr2_ | yes,but then you should hide it. into the menubar |
| 19:53.17 | kiozen | it will look more like the satmap |
| 19:53.22 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 19:53.39 | kiozen | some tranparent hints on how the buttons are used |
| 19:53.58 | cr2_ | the muxed sd/wifi is something new. i don't know any other device which does it. |
| 19:54.25 | kiozen | I don't get the idea behind that anyway |
| 19:54.29 | kiozen | what is the advantage? |
| 19:54.42 | kiozen | common chip set? |
| 19:54.45 | cr2_ | i guess the first step should be to disable wifi reliably, and work with sd only. |
| 19:54.52 | cr2_ | no. less €€€ |
| 19:55.07 | kiozen | the device is expensive enough ;) |
| 19:55.39 | cr2_ | still they saved in all corners |
| 19:55.50 | cr2_ | it's expensive because of the fine LCD |
| 19:55.51 | kiozen | I need sd, gps, reliable suspend and best battery saving for the first shot |
| 19:56.11 | cr2_ | yes, i know. |
| 19:56.29 | cr2_ | it does not have asic3, which is a good thing. for saving power :) |
| 19:57.14 | kiozen | But the lcd is cool. the map looks really great and the resolution makes a nice viewport |
| 19:57.33 | cr2_ | universal has exactly the same LCD |
| 19:57.50 | kiozen | how last the battery? :) |
| 19:58.37 | kiozen | btw, someone made a Windows port of QLandkarte (the original) |
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| 20:00.13 | cr2_ | did they send you the patches ? |
| 20:00.49 | cr2_ | the battery time on the universal is not great. even in wince. and the gps chip is not soldered in. |
| 20:01.34 | cr2_ | i guess n560 will have good standby time. because it's a simple device when it comes to the peripherals. |
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| 20:03.08 | ymerejt | pH5, hello |
| 20:03.53 | kiozen | yes, and executables, but still some way to go for the driver. it only works partially. But it is a promissing start. |
| 20:05.29 | ymerejt | pH5, I compiled a "homemade" kernel with the watchdog support and a kthread which wakes up every 200 secs to set the watchdog keepalive |
| 20:05.55 | ymerejt | It works fine, now I don't have unexpected reboot |
| 20:06.05 | pH5 | hi ymerejt, well done :) |
| 20:06.22 | ymerejt | Yet, I the GSM seems to not work |
| 20:07.13 | ymerejt | And I looking for some information to investigate. |
| 20:08.19 | cr2_ | ymerejt: interesting. so it's the pxa watchdog, not the msm6250 |
| 20:08.48 | ymerejt | and what is the msm6250 ? ;) |
| 20:08.58 | cr2_ | the phone part. |
| 20:09.00 | paulproteus | ymerejt, Hey, nice job re: watchdog |
| 20:09.14 | ymerejt | thx |
| 20:10.02 | ymerejt | But now I have to work on the GSM access. I have choice openmoko because of his gsmd daemon to help me to understand what actualy does not work |
| 20:10.22 | cr2_ | ymerejt: try 'cu' first ? |
| 20:10.36 | BabelO | ymerejt: hi, how your sd card works, i read some post from windows user with slow down issue |
| 20:11.16 | cr2_ | the open() code can be made better, now it's just a quick hack doing blocking busy wait on DCD. |
| 20:11.42 | ymerejt | For the moment I don't have problem. I have upgraded my WM to the last XDA release ROM. And under Linux, it works very well. |
| 20:11.58 | BabelO | cool ;) |
| 20:12.00 | cr2_ | we've just talked about the phone wakeup, maybe it's DCD after all. |
| 20:12.09 | paulproteus | DCD? |
| 20:12.15 | cr2_ | ymerejt: i've done it too. |
| 20:12.33 | ymerejt | And you have some problems ? |
| 20:12.42 | cr2_ | ymerejt: can you create a patch ? |
| 20:12.52 | cr2_ | i'll put it into hh.org CVS |
| 20:12.54 | ymerejt | about the watchdog problem ? |
| 20:13.08 | cr2_ | paulproteus: modem CarrierDetect |
| 20:13.11 | cr2_ | ymerejt: yes. |
| 20:13.18 | paulproteus | Ah hah. |
| 20:13.53 | cr2_ | ymerejt: yes, linux boot crashes in the middle of init.d |
| 20:13.56 | ymerejt | Not for immediatly because I have to add sleep support to my kthread. When I fix it, I send you the patch. |
| 20:14.02 | ymerejt | I don't use initrd |
| 20:14.10 | ymerejt | I load directly my zImage |
| 20:14.16 | cr2_ | i guess the watchdog setup dump should be added to "dump pxa27x" in haret. |
| 20:16.48 | ymerejt | what device should I give to cu ? |
| 20:17.20 | cr2_ | cu -l /dev/ttyS0 -s 115200 |
| 20:17.47 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
| 20:20.15 | ymerejt | I have a permission denied and line in use message. I have stop gsmd |
| 20:20.46 | ymerejt | Either openmoko or qtopia is running |
| 20:20.51 | ymerejt | Looks strange |
| 20:20.56 | cr2_ | yes, stop them. |
| 20:21.09 | cr2_ | look at 'dmesg' output then. |
| 20:21.36 | ymerejt | I dit it, nothing |
| 20:21.38 | cr2_ | i don't see any differences in the asic3 setup in wm6. |
| 20:21.53 | cr2_ | chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:22.26 | ymerejt | It works |
| 20:22.44 | cr2_ | you get the replies ? |
| 20:22.57 | ymerejt | "AT-Command Interpreter ready" |
| 20:23.02 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:23.30 | ymerejt | But I can't enter any command |
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| 20:24.45 | cr2_ | ate0 |
| 20:24.47 | cr2_ | atv1 |
| 20:27.00 | ymerejt | response : OK |
| 20:28.57 | cr2_ | ok, then everything works. |
| 20:32.20 | ymerejt | So, I restart gsmd |
| 20:32.28 | ymerejt | And I try with openmoko interface |
| 20:34.30 | ymerejt | I doesn't work |
| 20:35.04 | ymerejt | ;( |
| 20:38.49 | ymerejt | The problem seems to be relative to the PIN code in fact |
| 20:38.56 | BabelO | ymerejt: does it works with gsmd tools ? |
| 20:39.11 | BabelO | i think goxboxlive use no pin mode |
| 20:39.26 | ymerejt | "+CME ERROR: SIM PIN required " |
| 20:39.40 | pH5 | ymerejt: libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd, AT+CPIN?, AT+CPIN="****", and then even the stupid openmoko gui might work |
| 20:39.53 | BabelO | ya, this tools :) |
| 20:40.46 | pH5 | theoretically, the dialer should have done this by itself :/ |
| 20:41.47 | BabelO | pH5: so Kevin2 have started merge , he is so fast |
| 20:42.06 | ymerejt | When I run qtopia. He ask me the pin code and after it show me a "please wait..." message for a while |
| 20:42.11 | ymerejt | and nothing happens |
| 20:43.11 | cr2_ | BabelO: is the pin check in the device-dependent part of qtopia ?? |
| 20:43.12 | ymerejt | libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd 'AT+CPIN?' AT+CPIN="****" does not exit too |
| 20:44.35 | BabelO | cr2_: normally qtopia have same mechanics than openmoko, it should display a pin box on start |
| 20:44.59 | pH5 | ymerejt: libgsmd-tool gives you a console to the modem, like cu (just that it is piped through gsmd). you should enter the AT commands at the prompt, then Ctrl+D to exit |
| 20:46.37 | BabelO | cr2_: no it is managed in standart way |
| 20:48.12 | ymerejt | I deseperatly look for the AT command reference |
| 20:49.15 | ymerejt | And more specialy the PIN relative commands |
| 20:49.25 | pH5 | ymerejt: www.etsi.org, mainly TS07.07 I think |
| 20:50.25 | cr2_ | ymerejt: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM |
| 20:50.46 | goxboxlive | ymerejt: why dont u just disable the pin code. I dont think qtopia phone libs nor moko gsmd support it yet. It did work somehow, but now it dont i think. |
| 20:51.34 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: you should send your CV to microsoft :) |
| 20:51.56 | goxboxlive | cr2_: :-) |
| 20:54.06 | ymerejt | So I reboot on windows and disable the PIN code ;) that it ? |
| 20:54.51 | BabelO | goxboxlive: you know what ? you have something to test before bed and i ll send you a bottle of wine |
| 20:54.56 | BabelO | :) |
| 20:55.55 | goxboxlive | BabelO: I dont have Qtopia working on uni now. I made a new image today, and it bugs me when starting Qtopia. It has the libstdc++ bug (another version comaplins) . |
| 20:57.13 | BabelO | ok :( |
| 21:07.29 | ymerejt | The problem persist ... |
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| 21:14.41 | ymerejt | pH5, do you think my Radio update to 1.18.0 could be the cause of this problem ? |
| 21:16.25 | cr2_ | ymerejt: what do you name the "problem" ? |
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| 21:16.41 | cr2_ | ymerejt: can you do 'atdtXXX' ? |
| 21:17.55 | ymerejt | it return '4' |
| 21:19.43 | ymerejt | cr2_, it returns '4' |
| 21:22.25 | pH5 | ymerejt: result code '4' is in ATV0 mode what 'ERROR' is in ATV1 mode. |
| 21:23.40 | pH5 | isn't the syntax "ATD<phone number>;"? |
| 21:26.20 | ymerejt | on ttyS1 the interpreter does not come |
| 21:27.10 | cr2_ | even after entering the pin ? |
| 21:27.19 | cr2_ | ttyS1 is bluetooth |
| 21:28.07 | cr2_ | pH5: ATDPXXX or ATDTXXX are also legitimate. |
| 21:29.55 | cr2_ | this is the classic page :) |
| 21:29.58 | cr2_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelGSM |
| 21:30.20 | cr2_ | Last edited on December 3, 2005 11:46 pm |
| 21:30.57 | cr2_ | ymerejt: you don't need to prefix anything on universal. |
| 21:31.12 | ymerejt | by at you mean |
| 21:31.51 | ymerejt | every command entered via cu |
| 21:32.10 | ymerejt | return "4" |
| 21:32.14 | ymerejt | I |
| 21:38.02 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 21:38.20 | cr2_ | but you told me it was saying 'OK' before ? |
| 21:38.24 | ymerejt | I'm new on phone |
| 21:38.30 | ymerejt | I don't know about AT command |
| 21:38.57 | cr2_ | ok, can you get out of 'cu' and try again ? |
| 21:39.07 | ymerejt | So could you give a list a correct command to enter |
| 21:39.08 | ymerejt | ? |
| 21:39.44 | ymerejt | "AT-Command Interpreter ready" |
| 21:41.41 | ymerejt | AT+CGREG return 0 |
| 21:44.10 | ymerejt | ??? |
| 21:45.33 | ymerejt | AT+CSQ returns "+CSQ: 99,99" |
| 21:50.16 | ymerejt | cr2_, ATDT 9 W 33 XXXXXXXXXXX returns "[WCDMA] DEASSERT CD" followed by "[WCDMA] ASSERT CD" |
| 21:51.41 | cr2_ | ASSERT CD is ok. |
| 21:51.56 | cr2_ | have you disabled the pin ? |
| 21:52.00 | ymerejt | yes |
| 21:52.18 | ymerejt | before I disable it, I have an error message about the PIN code |
| 21:52.26 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 21:52.38 | ymerejt | So it means that GSM is OK |
| 21:52.50 | ymerejt | ? |
| 21:53.03 | cr2_ | maybe. |
| 21:53.08 | Babel | ymerejt: at+cops=0 or at+cops=? |
| 21:53.08 | ymerejt | ;) |
| 21:53.30 | Babel | ymerejt: it is to know network status |
| 21:53.39 | ymerejt | +CME ERROR: unknown |
| 21:54.38 | ymerejt | does it means error on the command or network status is unknown ? |
| 21:54.40 | Babel | pH5: is the at+cfun=1 needed with gsmd ? |
| 21:55.14 | Babel | ymerejt: standard procedure is to at+cfun=1 then at+cpin="****" |
| 21:55.21 | Babel | cfun seem to be to wakeup modem |
| 21:55.34 | Babel | then at+cops=0 to autojoin network provider |
| 21:55.52 | ymerejt | "+CME ERROR: incorrect password" on at+cpin="****" command |
| 21:56.31 | Babel | yes normal now you have removed your pin |
| 21:56.32 | ymerejt | but I have disable the PIN code requierement |
| 21:56.34 | ymerejt | ;) |
| 21:56.49 | Babel | you have tried at+cfun=1 ? |
| 21:57.04 | ymerejt | at+cfun=1 returns 0 |
| 21:57.24 | ymerejt | then at+cops=0 returns 0 |
| 21:57.29 | Babel | ok and now at+cops? |
| 21:57.50 | Babel | there is a command to return network operator list in range |
| 21:58.56 | cr2_ | hehe. i can't test the phone, because i don't remember my pin, and can't find the PIN/PUK datasheet ;) |
| 21:58.56 | ymerejt | at+cops? returns "+COPS: (2,,,"20820",3),(3,,,"20801",3),(3,,,"20810",1)" |
| 21:58.56 | Babel | good ;) 20801 is orange |
| 21:58.56 | cr2_ | ymerejt: it's ok. |
| 21:58.58 | Babel | so you have three provider like everywhere in france ;) |
| 21:59.02 | ymerejt | So, I'm connected ;) |
| 21:59.14 | ymerejt | And Now if I want Qtopia to do same thing ? |
| 21:59.18 | cr2_ | you see the basis stations. |
| 21:59.25 | Babel | ymerejt: now you can select manually your one with at+cops= |
| 21:59.52 | cr2_ | Babel: why doesn't it work in qtopia ? |
| 21:59.58 | ymerejt | no |
| 22:00.06 | ymerejt | that's my problem I thing |
| 22:00.09 | ymerejt | think |
| 22:00.57 | ymerejt | yes it does not work ! |
| 22:01.29 | ymerejt | AT+COPS=20820 returns "0" |
| 22:01.53 | ymerejt | What is the command to see what provider I am connected to ? |
| 22:02.02 | Babel | ymerejt: i llok for command description, i ve it somewhere |
| 22:05.52 | Babel | good http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:-BlCmuNPHcgJ:www.phys.unsw.edu.au/~mcba/iridium/Motorola_AT_Command_Set.pdf+AT+command+COPS&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=fr |
| 22:06.26 | Babel | ymerejt: so just use at+cops=0 and you are in automatic mode |
| 22:06.31 | Babel | should be default |
| 22:07.43 | Babel | it is doc the doc i was looking for, but information is here |
| 22:07.44 | ymerejt | When I run qtopia, it start, show the "desktop" and after show me pin dialer with a message "Please wait ..." which stay here. Then I can't do anythin |
| 22:08.32 | Babel | ymerejt: for qtopia check the file opt/Qtopia/etc/defaultbuttons.conf |
| 22:08.48 | Babel | PrimaryInput=Touchscreen |
| 22:09.07 | Babel | i think goxbox set it to default value |
| 22:09.15 | ymerejt | Yes he does |
| 22:09.26 | ymerejt | and the touchscreen works fine |
| 22:09.40 | ymerejt | I can enter my pin for example |
| 22:09.43 | Babel | so to know where is your issue, you need to start from console with log on |
| 22:09.44 | ymerejt | But for nothing |
| 22:10.13 | Babel | ymerejt: look in /home/root/Settings |
| 22:10.21 | Babel | there is a Log.conf or something like that |
| 22:10.41 | ymerejt | year, in Trolltech |
| 22:10.53 | ymerejt | and AtChat log looks sexy ;) |
| 22:11.16 | Babel | yes, there is some other related to modem |
| 22:11.36 | ymerejt | some advice ? |
| 22:11.38 | Babel | set enabled to 1 and then restart your qtopia screipt from console :) |
| 22:13.23 | ymerejt | Qtopia starting |
| 22:13.52 | ymerejt | Modem : querying single modem plug-in "ficgta01vendor" |
| 22:13.57 | ymerejt | Plugin not loaded: ficgta01vendor |
| 22:14.05 | ymerejt | Modem : No modem vendor plug-in found - using default |
| 22:14.13 | ymerejt | unexpected isn't it ? |
| 22:14.49 | ymerejt | Why is it talking about ficgta01 on my universal |
| 22:14.59 | Babel | i think it is ok , gobox change source code ;) |
| 22:15.12 | Babel | it is just a plugin |
| 22:15.37 | ymerejt | AtChat : T : "AT+CMUX=0,0,5,31" |
| 22:15.38 | Babel | and goxbox use ficgta01 source code |
| 22:15.46 | ymerejt | AtChat : F : 4 |
| 22:15.55 | ymerejt | AtChat : T : "AT+CBC" |
| 22:15.59 | ymerejt | AtChat : F : "+CBC: 0,100" |
| 22:16.06 | ymerejt | and nothing else ... |
| 22:16.16 | Babel | yes same here on my device ;) |
| 22:16.18 | ymerejt | And always this damn pin dial locking Qtopia |
| 22:16.34 | ymerejt | And no GSM indicator on the upper left |
| 22:17.01 | Babel | how do you start qpe ? |
| 22:17.22 | ymerejt | using the S99qpe.sh script |
| 22:17.36 | Babel | can you open it ? |
| 22:17.38 | ymerejt | of course |
| 22:17.40 | Babel | and look for export QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR=no |
| 22:17.46 | Babel | export QTOPIA_PHONE_MUX=no |
| 22:20.04 | ymerejt | if cpuinfo_id returns "HTC Universal", it sets QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR="ficgta01" |
| 22:20.20 | ymerejt | but nothing about QTOPIA_PHONE_MUX |
| 22:21.14 | Babel | can you set it to no, test again, and after same with vendor to no |
| 22:22.50 | ymerejt | I restart with QTOPIA_PHONE_DEVICE=no |
| 22:24.05 | ymerejt | Qtopia start with no pin dial problem |
| 22:24.11 | ymerejt | But of course no phone |
| 22:24.21 | ymerejt | no GSM |
| 22:29.11 | cr2_ | Babel: is there any new development done for QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR="ficgta01" ? |
| 22:29.16 | ymerejt | with QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR=no and QTOPIA_PHONE_DEV=ttyS0:115200 |
| 22:29.24 | ymerejt | the problem come back |
| 22:29.49 | cr2_ | i think it's time to create the QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR="msm" |
| 22:30.13 | cr2_ | to get rid of the calypso stuff, and add many nice umts commands. |
| 22:30.22 | ymerejt | msm ? |
| 22:30.37 | cr2_ | ymerejt: lsusb on universal |
| 22:30.40 | Babel | cr2_: i did not check, one or two month ago i ll send our claypso plugin to ljp |
| 22:31.04 | cr2_ | Babel: but ficgta01 _is_ calypso ? |
| 22:31.13 | ymerejt | "Bus 1 Device 1: ID 0000:0000" and then ?? |
| 22:31.14 | Babel | cr2_: now we are waiting for feedback, maybe on BA pH5 can see something wrong on the phone |
| 22:31.23 | Babel | cr2_: yes same calypso |
| 22:31.47 | Babel | cr2_: but without 0x16 0x2 i think, not sure about that |
| 22:31.58 | Babel | pH5: can you confirm ? |
| 22:35.21 | ymerejt | Is anybody have an idea about my problem ? |
| 22:35.42 | cr2_ | ymerejt: AT@USBPOWER=1 |
| 22:35.48 | cr2_ | and then 'lsusb' |
| 22:35.51 | pH5 | yes. FIC use the same chipset, but their own firmware, which implements standard AT+CMUX instead of the HTC specific 0x2,0x16/0x2 framing |
| 22:36.23 | cr2_ | pH5: is it possible to dump the FIC fw ? |
| 22:36.49 | cr2_ | i'm curious if they use the same "bootloader" approach. |
| 22:37.04 | paulproteus | Note that many OpenMoko users would rather use the non-FIC firmware to fix a SIM card compatibility issue. (-: |
| 22:37.34 | cr2_ | paulproteus: comparison goes in both directions :) |
| 22:37.45 | ymerejt | Bus 1 Device 3: ID 05c6:3197 Qualcomm, Inc. CDMA Wireless Modem/Phone |
| 22:38.01 | cr2_ | ymerejt: this is MSM6250 |
| 22:38.43 | ymerejt | And is there a qtopia profile which works fine ? |
| 22:38.56 | cr2_ | don't think so. |
| 22:39.17 | cr2_ | we need the MSM QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR code |
| 22:39.28 | cr2_ | instead of the current ugly hack. |
| 22:40.05 | cr2_ | which will be used on athena/hermes too. |
| 22:40.51 | cr2_ | pH5: do you think we'll have flashable BA till FOSDEM ? |
| 22:43.31 | ymerejt | But is there someone who use Qtopia on his Uni and can use is GSM ? |
| 22:43.39 | ymerejt | s/is/his |
| 22:45.34 | Babel | ymerejt: yes goxboxlibe but with radio rom 1.15 |
| 22:45.37 | ymerejt | with QTOPIA_PHONE_VENDOR="htcphone" |
| 22:45.39 | ymerejt | it works ! |
| 22:46.22 | Babel | pH5: ok, so we can keep fic at command, but as far i can see there is an issue in qtopia AT parser |
| 22:46.44 | pH5 | cr2_: there are no specifics yet on the fic firmware upload method. in the beginning there was some talk of pins in the audio plug being involved. |
| 22:47.41 | pH5 | cr2_: BA flashing is not the problem. having it boot from flash is ;) |
| 22:47.55 | cr2_ | pH5: i'm more interested in the download :) |
| 22:48.17 | cr2_ | ok, i still think that the sd_ramboot is the first step. |
| 22:48.34 | ymerejt | cr2_, I have found this idea here http://purl.rikers.org/%23htc-linux/20070919.html.gz |
| 22:48.54 | cr2_ | ymerejt: we may check the command set of 1.18 rom |
| 22:48.57 | pH5 | if the memory enabling sequence is similar on pxa263 and pxa27x it shouldn't be too hard. but right now I'm a bit afraid to flash anything remotely close to the original bootloader ;) |
| 22:49.13 | pH5 | when is fosdem? |
| 22:49.19 | cr2_ | 23-24Feb |
| 22:49.24 | ymerejt | yes |
| 22:49.42 | pH5 | oh, plenty of time left then. I think it is a worthwile goal. |
| 22:52.33 | Babel | what is fosdem ? ;) |
| 22:53.34 | *** join/#htc-linux Robot_ (n=robot@robot.kolej.mff.cuni.cz) |
| 22:53.40 | Robot_ | HI |
| 22:54.12 | Robot_ | ph5: are you here ? |
| 22:55.24 | ymerejt | Thx a lot for your help |
| 22:55.45 | ymerejt | Tomorow, I will work on the kernel patch about the watchdog issue |
| 22:56.15 | Babel | ymerejt: for qtopia, you can download sources and try yourself ;) |
| 22:56.22 | Babel | ymerejt: help is welcome |
| 22:56.31 | ymerejt | I think so |
| 22:56.42 | ymerejt | And I will work on it. |
| 22:57.00 | ymerejt | And I will come back on this channel to discuss |
| 22:57.02 | ymerejt | about it |
| 22:57.26 | ymerejt | But for now, I check that my phone works fine and I go to sleep |
| 22:58.33 | ymerejt | Is there an alarm function on qtopia ? |
| 22:58.56 | ymerejt | to wake up me tomorrow |
| 22:59.08 | ymerejt | If not I will need to reboot on WM6 ;( |
| 22:59.20 | Babel | i think tomorrow battery will be empty ;) |
| 22:59.45 | ymerejt | apm does not work ? |
| 23:00.08 | paulproteus | ymerejt, Let me know how battery life is; I'm curious too. (-: |
| 23:00.39 | ymerejt | there are problems with APM ? |
| 23:00.46 | pH5 | hi Robot_ |
| 23:01.48 | Robot_ | ph5: i was just wondering how to access the second half of the flash on hx4700 with your htc-tools, but i seem to have it figured out |
| 23:01.49 | ymerejt | I have seen my linux kernel tried to suspend but failed because of my special kthread for the watchdog |
| 23:02.31 | Babel | ymerejt: goxboxlive say it is around 5h 6h something like that |
| 23:02.47 | Babel | but it is some forgotten gpio as cr2 say ;) |
| 23:02.57 | ymerejt | Babel, but without suspend mode I suppose ? |
| 23:03.14 | Babel | hum with ;) |
| 23:04.02 | Babel | if you want to go to work tomorrow, use WM6, it works well as a clock alarm :) |
| 23:04.02 | ymerejt | So the suspend mode does not work actualy |
| 23:04.18 | Babel | ymerejt: suspend / resume works |
| 23:04.31 | paulproteus | But cr2_ told me the modem doesn't wake up from suspend...? |
| 23:04.33 | Babel | but some chipset or gpio are not put in suspend |
| 23:04.57 | Babel | paulproteus: it is when incoming call occur |
| 23:05.12 | ymerejt | Yes but on WM6 it works |
| 23:05.22 | Babel | when you have incoming call you need to setup an wakeup irq before going to suspend mode |
| 23:06.18 | ymerejt | So, it's the first issue I will try to work on |
| 23:06.25 | Babel | here , i ve my phone for alarm and a cat, cat do a greater job... lol |
| 23:06.25 | ymerejt | But now, I go to sleep |
| 23:06.32 | ymerejt | ;) |
| 23:06.40 | paulproteus | cr2_ was earlier today giving advice on how to fix sleep. |
| 23:06.49 | ymerejt | ok |
| 23:06.52 | paulproteus | When you wake up maybe he + you + I will talk, ymerejt. (-: |
| 23:07.05 | ymerejt | OK |
| 23:07.12 | ymerejt | see you tomorrow |
| 23:07.14 | ymerejt | good night |
| 23:07.35 | Babel | good nigh ymerejt |
| 23:08.18 | cr2_ | the modem is not suspended at all. |
| 23:08.24 | cr2_ | on the universal |
| 23:08.36 | cr2_ | because it's not known how to do it. |
| 23:08.55 | cr2_ | only haret can help here. |
| 23:09.06 | Babel | cr2_: what is FOSDEM ? |
| 23:09.38 | Stamrogh | http://www.fosdem.org/2008/ |
| 23:09.42 | cr2_ | http://www.fosdem.org/2008/ |
| 23:09.58 | Babel | Stamrogh, cr2_ thx |
| 23:10.10 | cr2_ | actually it should not be suspended. |
| 23:10.31 | cr2_ | we need the wakeup irq handler. |
| 23:10.50 | cr2_ | but first we need to find out what is used as gsm irq. maybe dcd. |
| 23:11.21 | Babel | cr2_: i did not see other i2c activity on artemis |
| 23:11.21 | cr2_ | and we also need the phone shutdown haadler. |
| 23:11.32 | cr2_ | i don't think phone suspend makes sense. |
| 23:11.37 | cr2_ | phone==msm6250. |
| 23:12.07 | cr2_ | Babel: yes, something is wrong with the omap850 0xfff* tracing |
| 23:13.07 | cr2_ | msm6250 is probably always in 'suspend' :) |
| 23:14.21 | cr2_ | i think the best thing we can do is to write the asic3 gpio decoder for regs_misc.py |
| 23:15.13 | Babel | cr2_: yes, i prefer your gnuharet gpio dump view ;) |
| 23:16.10 | *** join/#htc-linux phil0u (n=philou@coa29-1-88-174-10-240.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 23:16.16 | cr2_ | Babel: it's possible to merge more perl stuff there, so it'll be even better. |
| 23:16.22 | cr2_ | Babel: http://www.lipsforum.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=165 |
| 23:16.41 | cr2_ | competition is good :) |
| 23:16.47 | Babel | cr2_: i m not a big perl specialist, i just understand the code, no more ;) |
| 23:18.18 | cr2_ | lol. the specs in a .rar file. It's like pushing movies on linux in .wmv format |
| 23:19.13 | Babel | cr2_: yes, i think florian from gpephone was at a demo there |
| 23:20.34 | paulproteus | cr2_, roflcopter re: rar |
| 23:20.37 | paulproteus | That's totally awesome. |
| 23:20.49 | paulproteus | There is a Free unrar program these days; can it extract that rar file? I know it can't do all files. |
| 23:21.14 | cr2_ | cal_proptype_set_int64_value() |
| 23:21.25 | cr2_ | sounds like some gtk obscenity :) |
| 23:21.49 | cr2_ | paulproteus: unrar was always there with the patently stupid license. |
| 23:22.23 | paulproteus | There's a new(ish) Free Software unrar program. |
| 23:22.29 | cr2_ | paulproteus: the question is just wtf ? what's wrong with .zip |
| 23:22.35 | paulproteus | http://packages.debian.org/unrar-free fwiw |
| 23:23.54 | cr2_ | they wanted to "prohibit" writing .rar files |
| 23:24.13 | cr2_ | i always thought it's a funny idea. |
| 23:25.04 | phil0u | hello, i just got an HTC P3600 (Trinity), but the above links doesn't tell a lot about the status of a linux port for the Trinity ? Is there some work being done for that phone ? |
| 23:25.14 | cr2_ | so i prefer to keep away from such "innovators" |
| 23:26.02 | cr2_ | phil0u: yes. it's a hermes (with gps?) but without the keyboard and some other minor differences to hermes. |
| 23:26.40 | cr2_ | the golden age will start when i'll finish the ATI SD driver ;-) |
| 23:27.08 | Babel | lol |
| 23:27.50 | phil0u | cr2_: well :) let's hope that it'll be available untill the phone is EOL'd :) |
| 23:28.12 | cr2_ | sdio wifi will be the next tought nut. |
| 23:28.25 | cr2_ | phil0u: i'm mostly done, so it was a joke :) |
| 23:28.37 | paulproteus | cr2_, Agreed re: "innovators" |
| 23:30.58 | phil0u | cr2_: nice. Well, since HTC will support Linux one day, at least there's hope, but so far, there hasn't been a lot of support from HTC regarding a Linux port, right ? |
| 23:31.42 | cr2_ | no support at all. they even warn you that if you run linux your are voiding the warranty. |
| 23:31.48 | Babel | cr2_: i see you say that kiozen device had multiplexed sd / wifi |
| 23:31.56 | cr2_ | which is simply silly, and unenforceable |
| 23:32.22 | cr2_ | Babel: yes, expense cutting at it's finest. |
| 23:32.48 | cr2_ | Babel: htc never has falled so low for its own devices. |
| 23:32.58 | Babel | this is really strange ... it should slow down sd or wifi when the otther is in use |
| 23:33.05 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 23:33.17 | cr2_ | but you don't need the second SD controller. |
| 23:33.31 | cr2_ | but they wanted 54mbit acx100 |
| 23:33.45 | cr2_ | which seems to be available only in the sdio version. |
| 23:33.56 | Babel | yes true what is the calculated bandwith thoughput ? |
| 23:33.57 | cr2_ | don't know why. |
| 23:34.11 | cr2_ | 4byte*25MHz |
| 23:34.19 | Babel | yes on artemis it is the same chipset :) |
| 23:34.23 | cr2_ | or 4byte*50MHz for 2.0 |
| 23:34.35 | cr2_ | and you share the SDIO ? |
| 23:34.45 | cr2_ | but there is also some irq overhead. |
| 23:35.04 | cr2_ | Babel: it's the same chipset everywhere. |
| 23:35.10 | Babel | don't know, i hope it is not the case |
| 23:35.18 | cr2_ | hmm. not exactly correct statement. |
| 23:35.33 | cr2_ | it's 1250 and 1251 on kaiser. |
| 23:36.06 | cr2_ | Babel: you don't have the second SD controller. |
| 23:36.18 | cr2_ | but maybe it uses SPI. |
| 23:36.29 | cr2_ | sdio over SPI should work. |
| 23:36.37 | cr2_ | but it's much slower of course. |
| 23:36.48 | cr2_ | afaik moko2 will do it. |
| 23:37.13 | cr2_ | or at least was planning to do it some time ago. |
| 23:37.31 | cr2_ | and you never know what they do next ;) |
| 23:38.09 | cr2_ | btw, i've found a post from Harald Welte in the old moko archives, why ati will never provide any imageon data. |
| 23:38.56 | Babel | ah , why ? |
| 23:39.35 | cr2_ | because the moko guys tried to work with ati. and not only ati, i guess nvidia too. |
| 23:39.52 | cr2_ | and went with smedia at the end. |
| 23:40.13 | cr2_ | i think it's a wrong decision. |
| 23:40.43 | cr2_ | but since they are financed by FIC, they are not really free in what they do/say. |
| 23:43.46 | cr2_ | Babel: i've packed everything pxa27x related into 'dump pxa27x' now in gnu-haret |
| 23:44.17 | cr2_ | may add the gpio registers too. maybe the RTC and watchdog. |
| 23:45.05 | cr2_ | hm. if the watchdog is set by the wince kernel, the problem can be resolved by flasing zimage to flash ;) |
| 23:45.34 | Babel | cr2_: why it is a reboot and not a freeze, because watchdog is wired directly to reset pin ? |
| 23:46.07 | cr2_ | maybe. |
| 23:46.27 | cr2_ | there is an asic3 gpio pin which causes a hw reset too. |
| 23:46.37 | cr2_ | but it's used only by the bl. |
| 23:47.10 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 23:47.15 | cr2_ | good night. |
| 23:47.26 | Babel | ok, we haven t found this on BA ;) i know how to reboot it, but you loose all aic settings |
| 23:47.36 | Babel | good night |
| 23:50.49 | paulproteus | Night! |
