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00:04.58paulproteusGlad to hear you say that; I was afraid I was dense and it was my fault I didn't know how goxboxlive was making these images!
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03:21.40Kevin2cr2_: Sigh - looks like we really need haret documentation.  The gpios variable is used when running "watch gpios".  It is _not_ used in "wi".  The gpios variable should be setup with p2v() because it needs any mapping ("watch" just repeatedly reads from an address - any valid map works).  The mmutrace requires the same address that wince uses because it intercepts virtual memory accesses.
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11:33.40Foxdiepaulproteus you here?
11:36.48Foxdiewhat the heck is the unlock code?
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11:39.07rakeemHello smart people.  I need to a death certificate hardware for my BA's USB port:
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11:45.30Foxdiegoxboxlive are you here? how to use qtopia II image?
11:45.31rakeemHey blackest...  You're how I feel....
11:45.54rakeemWhat's your problem Foxdie?
11:46.39FoxdieI start it up, I get a nice black screen with icons on, I try and click any except the padlock and nothing happens, if I click the padlock I get a screen with numbers on, a pin entry system I think, but I don't know what the pin is
11:46.44blackestactually rakeem it was kind of intended that way an internal image :)
11:47.50rakeemMy device has just fried it's USB port...  Hence my blackness...
11:48.05rakeemFoxdie:  You on a Uni?
11:48.05blackestouch big time
11:48.19Foxdierakeem: yup
11:48.31Foxdiebtw, sorry to hear about your blueangels usb port :/ can you resolder it on?
11:49.00rakeemAnd I've only had it for a few days as a replacement for my Uni which I left in a hotel...  Aaaargh!
11:49.15Foxdiedid you phone the hotel up and ask them to check the room?
11:49.48blackesti had to get a usb port fixed on my universal after it disapppeared into the phone i couldnt get it done under warrentee but they said they would fix it for £75 and i got a nice shiny new universal
11:50.19rakeemThere's a total soldering guru I use (side-street mobile phone repair dude)...  He's worked miracles in the past, but I've a feeling it's an IC...
11:50.56blackestany warrantee on the phone
11:51.52rakeemZilch...  2nd hand...
11:52.09blackesthow did  you kill it
11:52.49rakeemBy being impatient and not taking it to said guru when it was obviously pretty wiggly...
11:54.08rakeemI've been through 7 htc deaths and two resurrections now...
11:54.09Foxdie:/
11:54.25Foxdiebeen through one and that was enough
11:54.30blackestyou might still be able to get it repaired sbc i think do it in the uk but they probably would exchange it
11:54.41Foxdiesomehow managed to break a track on the pcb by not fitting an extended battery kit correctly
11:54.55Foxdiebought another one with a cracked lcd and swapped them out
11:55.13rakeemI managed to simultaneously breathe life into a six month and year dead tornado and Uni a while back..
11:55.19Foxdieand sold the dead one to a developer in italy who I hope put it to good use by disassembling it and cataloging the components
11:55.47Foxdierakeem: don't suppose you know much about the qtopia II rom do you?
11:55.59rakeemYeah, it'd be great if we could each stick our 'box of bits' on an FTP...
11:55.59Foxdiein particular, how to get any use out ofit :)
11:56.18blackestfoxdie on universal ?
11:56.22FoxdieYup
11:56.30rakeemYeah, I've run the QT2 ROM a couple of times....
11:56.51blackestwell i couldnt get it to work with the phone side enabled
11:56.52FoxdieI can't seem to get past the initial qtopia screen unless I click the lock button, at which point I don't know what the pin is
11:57.03FoxdieI cant do anything with it it seems
11:57.15FoxdieI can get back to a shell prompt by holding down power and killing qtopia
11:57.17rakeemOn the Uni, I had exactly the same problem, came to exactly the same place and asked the same guy the same question...
11:57.38Foxdieand?
11:57.43FoxdieWhat was the answer?
11:57.49blackestexit qtopia and you need to edit one of the config files
11:57.55rakeemHe wasn't around either...
11:58.06Foxdieokay blackest, am in the shell now, what must I edit? :)
11:58.14blackestpage 174/175 on the linux thread
11:58.23blackesti'll find it
11:58.39Foxdielinux on universal update 4?
11:58.51Foxdieironic I'd have that page open :D
11:59.32rakeemSorry I can't be more specific, but I got it working either by trying again from a fresh FS, or from another image I found somewhere else...  Lemme see what I've got lying around...
11:59.47Foxdieahh, edit the qpe.sh script to comment out the phone lines?
12:00.09blackestyes
12:00.56rakeemA more scientific approach, I'll grant you that...  ;-)
12:01.01Foxdie;)
12:01.07Foxdietrying qpe again now
12:01.12Foxdieshame, I want to use phone though in the end
12:01.15Foxdieguess I'll have to wait
12:01.19rakeemI've got one called 'O.P.I.E.II-4.3.0.tar.bz2'
12:01.37Foxdiewhoa
12:01.43Foxdieit works, and god this is a fast interface
12:01.52rakeemNice...
12:02.15blackestwell the open moko version works
12:02.34rakeemYour first fiddle with QT2?
12:02.52rakeemIt's the most grown-up looking UI I've seen...
12:03.11Foxdieis this meant to be a poor mans iPhone interface? :)
12:03.11blackesti have actually called someone on the phone and played some mp3 files which i had on  the card
12:03.26blackesttry the padlock
12:03.50Foxdiewhats the pin for the padlock?
12:04.02blackestit isnt you get a key
12:04.08Foxdieand how can I get the phone to work
12:04.44rakeemNever made a call...  I've only got one SIM and my girlfriend goes mental when I conscript hers for democracy and science...
12:05.24blackestwell i havent got the phone to work with qtopia  i think its something to do with running a wm6 rom
12:05.30rakeemYou drag the key into the lock (iPhone slider-like)...  On some mode anyway...
12:06.15Foxdieholy crap
12:06.28Foxdieits smart enough to read files from my SD card for images for wallpaper :D
12:06.39blackestqtopia does seem like a better interface but no web browser no working sound... no working phone for me..
12:06.57rakeemYeah, my favourite image refused to boot when I went to bloat-6 so it was gone in ten minutes...
12:07.00blackestyep  open moko does too
12:07.16rakeemYeah, and NO TERMINAL!
12:08.38blackesti rang t-mobile the other day to find out why i cant get sky on it, and the woman was surprised i would still keep the uni after the contract ends
12:09.10blackestt-mobile have introduced mobile-tv but its poor
12:09.21Foxdieoh, you're on t-mobile as well?
12:09.25blackestyep
12:09.26rakeemDamn, it's so close now though....  The hardware's getting nailed quicker too... I watched cr2 and and bunch of other guys get the display on the Kaiser under control in less than half a day...
12:09.32Foxdie:)
12:09.55Foxdieyou know what? fuck mobile TV from them :)
12:10.08rakeemIn The States?  I'm in Hong Kong...
12:10.35Foxdiewith 3G coverage and web'n'walk max, just set up a TV stream from home and watch real sky, not sky mobile which is cut down due to licensing agreements
12:10.45blackestif you want to watch tv its a £1 for mobile-tv and a £1 for webnwalk for the day for that you generally get some streams that mess up after 5 minutes max
12:11.24Foxdieyou haven't put web'n'walk on your priceplan?
12:11.49FoxdieI put it on mine, and I listen to online radio stations in the car (fm transmitter) when driving to and from work
12:12.01blackesti've got broadband and i'm not away from home enough to make it worth while
12:13.05blackestweb'n'walk basic seems to block most ports i cant get a slingbox connection over 3g
12:13.10cr2_Foxdie: i hope to get dvb-t working on athena :)
12:13.33Foxdiethey don't really block ports
12:13.43Foxdieits because you're going through a NAT gateway to the internet
12:13.59cr2_afair you can't get out of this "unlock" screen, because it's a "security" feature if you don't have a sim card.
12:14.10Foxdieso you need to initiate the connection, streaming unfortunately has to go over TCP instead of UDP
12:14.16cr2_Foxdie: i mean real dvb-t with an usb dongle.
12:14.24Foxdiecr2_; that would be cool
12:14.40Foxdieand I have a sim card, but its stupid that it locks and you can't get out of it without restarting qpe
12:14.54blackestactually i met a couple of guys with an interesting little product yesterday its a little dab unit either for ipod or standalone
12:15.20cr2_you should disable the pin on your sim card.
12:15.31Pryancr2_ man, what's up
12:15.43Foxdiethere isn't a pin on my sim card
12:15.44cr2_all in all, it's completely fscked up ;)
12:15.53blackestI dont have a pin crt_ and it doesnt work:(
12:15.58Foxdieneither my sim nor my uni have a pin on them
12:15.59cr2_but i need to finish my kernel business first.
12:16.12cr2_blackest: on the uni ?
12:16.16blackestyes
12:16.21Pryanhow you'r going with the kernel yob
12:16.31cr2_Pryan: slowly
12:16.32FoxdieI am the same, I don't have a pin either
12:16.40Pryankernel, gsm am
12:16.47Pryan*and so one
12:17.03rakeemHey cr2, is there any other reason beyond toast that the USB port on my BA is dead in all circumstances (CE, Linux and Bootloader)...?
12:17.05cr2_well, that's what goxboxlive had said. i don't remember my pin, and my uni is net-locked
12:17.06Pryankeyboard
12:17.12blackesti did wonder if its the region settings that are an issue it seems to go for an american locale and i'm uk t-mobile maybe why it cant find an operator ?
12:17.55cr2_Pryan: for the keyboard i wait for Kevin2
12:18.05Pryanand for gsm ?
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12:18.09cr2_rakeem: no idea, use wifi
12:18.36cr2_Pryan: gsm needs more research. i'll make BT and GSM first.
12:18.51cr2_because it's easier, and i know everything what's needed.
12:18.58Pryangsm = GSM ?
12:19.01cr2_s/GSM/GPS/
12:19.08Pryanok, BT is cool
12:19.22Pryanok
12:19.32rakeemcr2:  For ROM updates?
12:19.50Pryanwhen you got keyboard and GSM it is likely a firts public beta
12:19.57Foxdiecr2_ that I can help test
12:20.03FoxdieI have a bluetooth GPS mouse
12:20.10Foxdieand use it every day for gps tracking project I made :)
12:20.27cr2_rakeem: it's theoretically possible, but i think you can't do it right now.
12:20.40blackesthow goods your gps tracking project Foxdie
12:21.10cr2_Foxdie: openstreetmap ?
12:21.19Foxdietake a look: http://trackmygps.co.uk/
12:21.26Pryancr2_ when you have a suitable version i am no problem with testing it
12:21.29Foxdieclick view, type in user foxdie
12:21.32rakeemcr2:  For the lunatic fringe, perhaps, for the likes of me...
12:21.33Foxdiepassword is opensesame
12:21.46Foxdiecoded in php / ajax from scratch >:)
12:22.02rakeemHehe... ;-)
12:22.17Foxdieits only a simple site, I was focusing more on the back end work, it was a way for me to learn php and ajax
12:22.24cr2_Pryan: ok.
12:22.57Pryanis it in pendrive or u will done a ROM version or a SD card
12:23.11Pryanin pendrive i havent the wire need
12:23.17cr2_Pryan: you need the usb/tv cable
12:23.33cr2_i'm not yet ready with the SD
12:23.39Pryanok
12:23.44cr2_and there is no microdrive driver.
12:24.39Pryanbut it could be possible to done works with SD because getting a wire and a USB stick isnt very usefull
12:25.09cr2_Pryan: ok, but it was easier for me to do it this way.
12:25.17Pryanok
12:25.23cr2_the SD is also needed for hermes
12:25.28blackestpassword incorrect  foxdie
12:25.31cr2_and it's the same driver
12:26.04Pryanah, then you can convert the drivers easily to athena
12:26.45Pryanwhat things you have running on athena linux ?
12:26.52Foxdiehttp://trackmygps.co.uk/foxdie
12:27.01Foxdieit'll pop up for a password, enter: opensesame
12:28.10rakeemFOXDIE'S A BRUMMIE!
12:28.12blackest;)
12:28.33blackesthmm he could be just visiting
12:29.12rakeemWell that smell of chips'n'gravy's gotta be coming from somewhere...  ;-)
12:29.16FoxdieOI!
12:29.20Foxdie:)
12:29.37FoxdieI live / work in birmingham yes, but I'm a yorkshire lad through and through ;)
12:29.55cr2_Pryan: i think it's be  going in the opposite direction. i'll make it work on athena, so it'll work on hermes too.
12:30.03rakeemI'm a Glasgow bloke in Hong Kong...
12:30.23Pryanyes, i am saying this
12:30.27Foxdiemy pda takes the gps position read from the gps mouse and submits it via a php script on the site
12:30.34Pryanyou are working on athena
12:30.36blackestcool do you take paypal :) rakeem
12:30.48Pryanand i ask you for things working on athena
12:31.00cr2_Pryan: i have both, but pxa is easier/better documented.
12:31.02blackestyou could be an excellent source of batterys :)
12:31.05Foxdiesadly the software is windows only at the moment, I'd like to write some gps tracking software in linux once the roms become fully usable and reliable
12:31.15Foxdielol blackest you evil git
12:31.20Pryanok
12:31.49cr2_Pryan: i have usb host running, anf the fb/touchscreen
12:31.50Foxdieexploiting our dear glaswegian friends in cheap electronic gadget distri.. what the hell, sign me up as well :D
12:32.11blackestserious i bought a battery for an e740 for about £15 and i am sure the supplier does it for about £3
12:32.33Foxdieprobably
12:32.34cr2_Pryan: so everything 'usb' works. hdd,keyboard,mouse, BT, and i think dvb-t will work too.
12:32.43Foxdiebak in a moment, nuking some sausage rolls for lunch
12:32.48Pryanit's too low for a user linux testing, it's only a PDA
12:33.08Pryanwithout any exterior communicacions
12:33.09rakeemActually no, but I've said it before here, I found the place where all the spares on eBay seem to come from and it's about 25mins from my house.  If anyone needs anything I can call the guy that runs it direct.
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12:33.30cr2_Pryan: BT and gps coming. keyboard is mostly done too.
12:34.04blackestthe drop shipper near me seems to do very well with his near empty unit with his black lamborgini parked outside
12:34.40cr2_Pryan: i get the 'tick' sound from the sound chip, so the voice phone will work too. when the AT commands will work.
12:34.43rakeemWhat's an e740 again?
12:34.49Pryanit's possible to running linux in horizontal mode ? because athenca-boot.exe runs in vertical mode
12:34.56blackestits an old toshiba pda
12:35.03cr2_the sound chip is the same as on the universal.
12:35.03Pryanok
12:35.20Pryangreat, you can do mobile phones
12:35.24cr2_but there will be some problems with the sound playback.
12:35.26Pryanand receiving ?
12:35.27blackesti got it back up and running for gps when my uni went on its travels to be repaired
12:36.05cr2_Pryan: i don't know how to rotate the picture (in hardware)
12:36.21Pryanbrb
12:36.28cr2_Pryan: the software rotation is suboptimal, but universal uses it :)
12:36.29Pryanit could be great
12:36.57Pryanhave you put in contact with HTC for this ?
12:37.12cr2_of course not.
12:37.23Pryanthey have interested on a linux version for HTC movile phones
12:37.24cr2_it's ATI
12:37.35Pryanahm
12:38.03cr2_probably only for the new msm7x00-based phones.
12:38.21cr2_and i guess many modules are not going to be free software.
12:38.30cr2_which is unacceptable for me.
12:38.41rakeemWhat's after the phones?  What else can you deploy such reverse-engineering on?
12:38.41Pryanyes
12:38.45Pryanfor me too
12:39.09Pryanbut maybe they said how to rotate screen in hardware mode for free,
12:39.16Pryantry it
12:39.26cr2_rakeem: sirf gps. and garmin. they use arm cpus too.
12:39.34rakeemOoh...
12:39.56cr2_Pryan: they'll redirect to ATI/AMD. i'm 100% sure.
12:40.12cr2_and those do not publish even the wince api.
12:40.44cr2_it#s easier to trace the ATI registers i guess.
12:41.08cr2_some people wanted to do what you suggest, but i have never heard from them anymore.
12:41.23Pryanand the software today HTC plugin doesnt have hardware rotation ?
12:41.28Foxdieback\
12:41.32rakeem'Hack the servers, break the silence!'
12:41.41Foxdiewhat you able to get hold of rakeem? :)
12:42.13cr2_Pryan: there is a screen rotation option in wince, but i've not observed the control register changes
12:42.23cr2_maybe i need to check it again.
12:42.25rakeemIt was nice walking in and picking a Tornado and Uni screen off the wall...
12:42.32Pryanaham
12:42.51Pryanwork on it
12:43.00Foxdiecool :)
12:43.03cr2_Pryan: but maybe they are strange, and use software rotation.
12:43.03Pryanif you need help i'm here
12:43.06blackestfoxdie ever done anything with openstreetmap/
12:43.24Foxdienope, what is it?
12:43.38cr2_Foxdie: http://openstreetmap.org
12:43.52Foxdielooking now
12:44.01blackestits a free gps project the problem with implimenting free gps is the mapping data isnt
12:44.16cr2_bbl
12:44.56Foxdieso why not use google maps?
12:45.13blackestwell you need to be connected to google for one
12:45.17cr2_osm is a project that will piss off a lot of people. for many different reasons ;)
12:46.01cr2_Foxdie: what you get from google maps is complete junk in many areas of the world.
12:46.13Foxdieyou mean like iraq?
12:46.13blackestwhat it really needs is a pda based editor one that can take existing map data and add in data for new roads as its collected
12:46.45cr2_Foxdie: not only :)
12:47.11Foxdieyes, I have found google maps nor tomtom know of a major bypass to the A38 in my area that was completed 6 MONTHS AGO :/
12:47.15blackesti run all over the place and i have an ap that records where i have been but its not so easy adding that data to the project
12:48.11blackestproblem is if i use a road that is known already my tracks just go over the existing data
12:49.31blackestan updating ap would just need a trip round your new bypass and appropriate tags adding later
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12:50.04Foxdieand that would update openstreetmap?
12:50.42Foxdiewtf, half the mapping data is missing from northfield (where I live)
12:50.47blackestwell with open streetmap you can add a gps track and then convert it into a road but its not that easy
12:51.04blackestexactly someone needs to map those streets
12:51.20Foxdieooh
12:51.25Foxdieit knows about the bypass :D
12:51.48Foxdie"Northfield Relief Road"
12:52.07Foxdieand lol, the mapping ends where I live
12:52.46blackestgoogle odgps
12:53.22Foxdieso how easy is it for me to drive down a road and then upload it to OSM?
12:53.26blackestthat will run on the universal and let you create tracks that you can upload to OSM
12:54.13blackestyou set odgps to track and when you have finished save the file and upload the gps file to osm
12:54.19FoxdieI have some software that'll create a GPS track, its called GPSGate
12:54.37blackestwhat format does it save in?
12:54.45Foxdieone sec
12:56.15Foxdierawr nmea data
12:56.51Foxdie.nmea extension
12:57.27blackestit may be ok i think odgps saves as .gpx files
12:58.25blackestanyway you should be able to upload the saved file to OSM and use it to create roads on the map
12:58.47Foxdieahh ool
12:58.49Foxdie*cool
12:59.01Foxdiewhats to stop people just copying google maps?
12:59.09blackestcopyright
12:59.32Foxdiewell yeah, but people can just screenshot it and trace it in
12:59.47blackestwell there are eastereggs as well
12:59.58Foxdieoh?
13:00.10blackestfake streets streets that have been moved slightly ect
13:00.43Foxdieon google maps?
13:00.54blackestprobably
13:01.18Foxdiedoes OSM have an IRC channel?
13:01.37blackesti dont know to be honest
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13:03.10blackesthttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/IRC#IRC five channels there
13:03.49Foxdieso, #openstreetmap on this IRC network then :)
13:04.08blackestyes beat me too it
13:04.21Foxdie;)
13:04.25Pryancr2_ i have sent an email to htc and ati to see if they provide me the especifications for hardware rotation screen
13:04.39Foxdiebtw blackest, you wouldn't happen to be interested in rock music would you?
13:06.41rakeemPryan, your positivity is an example to us all...
13:08.24FoxdiePositivity yes, but I don't think they will help, theres no profit in it
13:08.34Foxdiepeople are too greedy these days
13:08.37Pryanthanks rakeem
13:08.52Foxdiebut thankyou nonetheless Pryan, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you bud
13:09.15Pryanhahaha, me too
13:09.43Pryansome days ago i have sent a linux related email and i have no response from they
13:09.56Pryanto htc
13:10.25rakeemIndeed, I've discussed this issue in the pub with lawyers and barristers, and they all agree that such practices violate fundamental common-law assumptions...  They're pricks and they know it basically.
13:10.55Foxdiewith that last bit I couldn't have put it better myself mate
13:11.48rakeemSearch google for goxboxlive's heartfelt plea on the official HTC forums.  The silence may suck up all your bandwidth...
13:12.02FoxdieIts one of the reasons why I want to move to linux as a whole, I don't like supporting greedy corporations
13:12.23Foxdiecan you give me the url? I'm a little lazy and this powerbook is a slow piece of crap :)
13:14.45rakeemGreedy sods are gonna be around for a while, they're just availing  themselves of the smokescreen that new-technology allows...  They're riding the gravy-train as long as they can before the conductor shouts "ANTITRUST!"
13:23.25rakeemI don't wanna come across as a nationalist zealot, but at the heart of many of these devices, lies an ARM core.  I think we've counted five in the Uni alone.  As Foxdie's probably aware, being a brit, ARM was once an acronym of Acorn RISC Machines, part of a taxpayer funded project to get britain geeky in the 80's.  Our parents and grandparents paid for the technology, but as usual it was handed over to private interests when it was ready t
13:25.05Pryanif you pay for a device, it's logic that you must to get enought support and if you likr to install in this device the linux software they must provide you as much help as you can need
13:25.12FoxdieCorrect!
13:25.33FoxdieGod, you know what? the geek inside me misses the A300's I used in high school
13:25.54Foxdiewe used to get into so much trouble playing this one game where you had to navigate a line through a cave by moving it up and down as it travelled right
13:26.26FoxdieNow look at Acorns offspring. Making telephone calls, tracking GPS data, surfing porn... heh
13:26.49rakeemHang on.  Just had a call from my girlfriend...  She's not well, gonna get her off the bus...
13:26.58FoxdieNp mate
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13:48.47Foxdiewb cr2
13:56.25cr2_Pryan: do you have 7500 or 7501 ?
14:03.30Pryan7500
14:04.06Pryanwhy ?
14:05.46cr2_7500 seems to be the same hardware as ameo. 7501 may be different, and there are other possible variations.
14:06.47Pryanahm
14:07.09Pryanfor now first make port for 7500
14:07.18cr2_i have ameo
14:07.24Pryanit's the most common
14:08.44Pryanbut 7500 and ameo seems to be different company names, not ?
14:09.31cr2_7500 is black, ameo is grey.
14:09.50cr2_7501 does not have the second cam ?
14:09.56Pryannot
14:10.09cr2_any other differences ?
14:10.23Pryanand have a radio sintonicer
14:10.38cr2_i'd like to hear from somebody with 7501
14:10.46cr2_fm radio ?
14:11.48Pryanyes
14:17.17Pryani know it has fm radio because i have read it in a web page but in descriptions of most pages i dont see this characteristics
14:18.38cr2_i'm looking at it.
14:19.07cr2_if there is an fm radio, there should be a driver.
14:20.36Pryanwait, im searching too
14:20.52cr2_seems to be ATHE10003
14:21.09cr2_mine is ATHE10000
14:21.27cr2_9letter name is strange.
14:24.06Pryanmine is ATHE100 think
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14:25.03PryanModel information: ATHE100
14:26.36cr2_have you checked the boardid ?
14:26.59Pryani see the System information of WM6
14:27.20cr2_no, the internal wince log
14:27.37Pryani dont know where to see this
14:27.51Pryanplease explaine me step to step
14:28.18cr2_pwf wincelog 0xa0100000 0x200000
14:28.31cr2_wincelog is a text file
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14:29.26Pryanpwf ?
14:29.34dcordesrakeem_, " watched cr2 and and bunch of other guys get the display on the Kaiser under control in less than half a day..." dude where is that display driver :D let me know wher I can get it
14:29.41dcordeshi
14:29.53Pryani have search with resco file explorer any file with name wincelog and it isnt
14:31.04cr2_Pryan: it's a haret command.
14:31.55cr2_dcordes: not the kaiser. hermes/athena is a better match.
14:32.18dcordescr2_, I just thought I missed something important
14:32.20cr2_hehe. htc messed with the sirf3 firmware.
14:32.47cr2_151,152 and 154
14:33.30cr2_it's nice that strings also knows about SREC
14:34.12dcordescr2_, what can I learn from the last observations from yesterday when you said something was wrong?
14:36.04cr2_Kevin2 said you should use 'watch gpios' instead of 'wi'
14:36.14cr2_afair it was not the case before.
14:36.32cr2_so we need the better haret docs
14:37.43Pryancr2 0x200000 or 0x20000000
14:39.30cr2_Pryan: 0x200000
14:39.35cr2_2 megabytes
14:39.50cr2_2*1024*1024 will work too.
14:40.03Pryanahm
14:42.38dcordescr2_, watch gpios refering to the list thing I pasted? where you told me to make a script of it?
14:42.54cr2_yes.
14:43.09cr2_i'm interested if you can see the gpio changes.
14:43.09dcordeswhich was vibration alert related?
14:43.19dcordesok let me get set
14:43.22dcordes3 minutes
14:43.24cr2_yes, that too.
14:45.22Pryancr2 what text i must to find, because the file is quite big
14:46.54cr2_the file is 2MB
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14:47.16dcordescr2_: ok everything ready
14:47.42Pryanbecause this, please give me a string to search the boardid
14:47.57cr2_V03USB: 1583 on board
14:48.14cr2_Board ID: 6
14:48.27cr2_CHW::Initialize ChipId(0x70) is 158230- signalling H/W reset
14:49.38Pryanyes, i got all this strings
14:49.49Pryanexactly
14:50.21cr2_IDE: HWBoardVer = 6
14:50.40cr2_ok, so you have the same hardware.
14:51.16Pryanyes
14:52.08dcordescr2_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47157 addlist gpios 0xb2b00800[, ...]; watch gpios?
14:52.17dcordesthen hit vibe?
14:53.15cr2_dcordes: yes.
14:56.26Pryanit will be maintenance for athena-boot.exe ?
14:56.37Pryanit's a great form to boot linux
14:57.01Pryanbut it's best the SD card
14:59.03Pryantesting linux with athena-boot.exe its great
15:03.54dcordescr2_: just to make sure, am I suppoesed to set ibits again=
15:04.33cr2_no
15:04.45dcordesbut they spam the sht out my terminal
15:04.58dcordeshow am I supposed to see the vibrator thing
15:05.10dcordes203 683 290 those are active on complete idle
15:06.15dcordescr2_: ? I have to leave in an instance
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15:07.43paulproteusFoxdie, Hey!
15:07.49Foxdiehiya
15:08.18dcordescr2_: come on what info do you need?
15:08.22FoxdieI put the qtopia II image on my uni
15:08.33dcordesyuck, no terminal
15:08.34Foxdieseems okay, had to disable the phone in qpe.sh to get it to work
15:08.52Foxdieany idea how to fix the phone?
15:11.42dcordesthat's what I get  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47227/ with
15:12.13dcordeshttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47229/
15:12.15dcordesadded
15:12.42dcordesadded as in addlist gpios *
15:12.48dcordesbbiab
15:12.54cr2_dcordes: looks good.
15:13.02dcordeswhich means?
15:13.12cr2_we need to narrow the search.
15:13.23cr2_and mask the spam bits.
15:13.28paulproteusFoxdie, The lock icon thing - I think that's just a confusing UI thing, not something major.
15:14.28dcordescr2_: ok but now i get to local fastfood
15:14.29dcordesbbiab
15:15.00paulproteusI think I had something like that on my Neo1973 re: lock icon.
15:18.19paulproteusFoxdie, I'll have a Universal in a couple of days and then I'll let you know, okay? (-:
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15:54.18rakeem_Ooh...  A Neo1973...  What do you think?  Has yours got wifi?
15:57.50rakeem_[I mean what do you think of the phone?]
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16:07.31paulproteusrakeem_, Mine has the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many problem so it can't sleep.
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16:09.48|cos|We're aiming at running linux on the hp iPAQ rx4240, but we're a bit confused on where to go now.
16:10.09paulproteusMine doesn't have wifi, but I might get a wifi board soon, we'll see.
16:10.17paulproteusI also just bought a Universal to tide me over. (-;
16:10.58|cos|So far, we've gotten a test program booted with HaRET that successfully writes to the frame buffer. So hand over from HaRET works.
16:11.16paulproteusNice - so what if you load a Linux kernel then?
16:11.27paulproteusAnd is the FB something standard-ish?
16:12.14|cos|when we try a kernel compiled for s3c244x nothing seems to happen after HaRET is done. :(
16:12.24|cos|the fb is at 0x30100000
16:12.48|cos|and the code start address is at 0x30000000
16:13.02|cos|so code area and fb are overlapping :(
16:13.12|cos|i don't know if that's normal
16:13.31paulproteusMe neither, I'm actually not much of an htc-linux devver "yet".
16:13.58|cos|from browsing mailing lists et.c. it seems to happen to more people
16:14.24paulproteusInteresting; but no sign of what they did next I guess?
16:14.40paulproteusHave you emailed those lists to see what people say?
16:15.17|cos|not yet
16:15.46|cos|and we haven't actually found any mailing list dealing with samsung s3c244x
16:16.12paulproteuss3c244x - isn't that the same as the Neo?
16:16.19|cos|yup
16:16.29|cos|it should be
16:16.32paulproteusVery interesting.  Are you trying openmoko-brand kernels?
16:16.49|cos|that's an idea we haven't thought of
16:17.32|cos|we've tried other ipaq s3c244x kernels and self compiled with default config
16:18.03|cos|but openmoko keeps a separate repository somewhere with the latest development, i guess?
16:18.25Foxdiepaulproteus: that'd be cool (response to your previos message to me)
16:18.30Foxdiesorry, had something important come up
16:18.34paulproteusNo prob, Bob.
16:18.39|cos|paulproteus: thanks!
16:18.43Foxdiebob? :)
16:18.50|cos|i'm on the wiki already (:
16:18.59paulproteus|cos|, I don't think this is much more interesting than the iPaq kernels, and I think you should email somewhere and get advice anyway (-:
16:22.02|cos|you're right, i guess i should mail somewhere
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16:25.55paulproteusDon't fret yet.  You could try some htc Linux list probably if you think they're the most active; I imagine people won't mind the slightly-off-topicness.
16:40.11dcordescr2_: back
16:43.49dcordescr2_: how to narrow the search now?
16:48.25dcordescr2_: I tried to ibit gpios the spamming gpios but didn't work
16:49.32dcordesI think I filtered out the vibration gpio
16:49.49dcordesbecause there was no activity on watch gpios
16:58.21cr2_dcordes: there are 105 gpios (afair)
16:58.31cr2_+ the cpld gpios
16:59.12cr2_you need to mask the extra gpios, and create a wiki page.
16:59.37cr2_i've told you which gpios are used for wifi and SD.
17:00.34cr2_it's possible to check which cpld gpios are related to some hw functions.
17:07.39dcordesok
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18:44.35|cos|would the first thing to get executed in the kernel be init_kernel in init/main.c or something else?
18:44.49|cos|kernel_init() that is, not the other way around
19:09.09|cos|i guess it would be something more in the lines of arch/arm/boot/bootp/init.S
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19:44.29cr2_hi kiozen
19:44.34kiozenhi
19:45.16cr2_i guess n560/c55x is still not in the haret machine list
19:46.22kiozenhm I sent the log, however without comment, maybe kevin ignored it :)
19:46.24cr2_i have 2 ideas. 1. you can try to boot from gnu-haret 2. i (or you) can compile haret myself and add it to the list
19:47.13kiozenlet's try gnu-haret..
19:47.24cr2_ok.
19:47.44cr2_i'm interested if you'll get such consistent hangups during boot.
19:48.22kiozenwhere can I download the source for gnu-haret?
19:48.33cr2_get the binary
19:48.52cr2_the source is in sf.net/projects/xanadux CVS
19:49.12cr2_haret/haret-gnu directory
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20:01.57kiozencr2_ arm-wince-pe-gcc: what tool chain is that?
20:13.21cr2_it was an old vlc toolchain.
20:19.26kiozencr2_ hm tried arm-wince-cegcc-gcc, get a lot of compiler error due to symbol redefinition.
20:20.18kiozencan we cut this short? I spent the last 2 days on a "Installationsorgie". I am a little bit fed up with tweaking tool chains :)
20:23.40cr2_get the binary
20:23.54cr2_http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret
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20:26.41kiozencr2_ ok, what do I have to add to the default.txt to boot?
20:26.51cr2_mtype
20:26.55cr2_cmdline
20:26.58cr2_boot2
20:27.17kiozenset MTYPE 1417
20:27.25kiozenset cmdline "root=/dev/mmcblk0 rootdelay=10"
20:27.32kiozenboot2
20:27.33kiozen?
20:28.56kiozenguess the zImage has to be in the path
20:29.34kiozenit should be zImage.n560, shouldn't it?
20:29.35cr2_yes.
20:34.52kiozencr2_ it made a sound for one second and then the scree is  black -> hard reset needed
20:35.19kiozenwait I forgot to insert rootfs
20:35.53kiozencr2_ same result
20:37.03cr2_ok.
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21:45.35cr2_it's silent today
21:45.52Babelcr2_: very silent
21:47.43BabelO~weather ENFB
21:47.58BabelOhumm no meteo at oslo
21:48.01BabelO:(
21:48.41cr2_strange. they have an airport there ;)
21:48.53BabelO~weather ENGM
21:49.46BabelOcr2_: how is athena status ?
21:49.51cr2_it's weird that they dare to use non-metric units.
21:49.56BabelO~status athena
21:50.24cr2_i'd like to know the fm radio chip.
21:50.48BabelOcr2_: maybe same than artemis with rds ta capabilities
21:50.49cr2_usb host, vsfb and touchscreen are working.
21:51.15BabelOwhat about usb host tv ?
21:51.26cr2_BabelO: i've seen the hires motherboard pictures, and it's not clear what chips are really there.
21:51.45cr2_i need to merge the linuxtv.org code into the kernel first.
21:52.22cr2_athena is a great internet tablet.
21:52.46cr2_it's only vga, but has many nice features.
21:52.52BabelOah it is not here ? next year phone will have integrated dvb-h or something like that
21:53.14cr2_i doubt it.
21:53.30cr2_they want that you pay for umts ;)
21:53.42BabelOfor what accelerometer is used on athena ?
21:53.55cr2_it's some i2c chip.
21:54.19cr2_don't know the name, but it's easy to trace the i2c datastream.
21:54.29BabelOyes, but what wince software use it ?
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21:54.37cr2_very easy. unlike on the omap850 ;)
21:54.42cr2_opera
21:55.33BabelOyoiu have opera on it ;)
21:55.41cr2_i think so.
21:55.56cr2_the 7500 has tomtom too. afaik.
21:56.16cr2_BabelO: what is the main problem on artemis ?
21:56.19BabelOcr2_: you can use gmaps and wifi ;)
21:56.36BabelOcr2_: it is freeze after a while
21:57.08cr2_i can, but i don't want to.
21:58.42BabelOcr2_: google will provide a new service of localisation soon, based on operator  gsm base antenna
22:02.09cr2_with some spam-ridden client software ?
22:02.36BabelOcr2_: don't now i m looking for a non french news ;)
22:02.38cr2_i'm more interested into looking under the hood of the sirf3 chip.
22:03.17cr2_i see that it can run at 25MHz and 50MHz from the firmware.
22:03.50cr2_it's interesting to get an idea of the address spaces and registers there.
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22:08.03cr2_BabelO: what is the fm radio program name ?
22:09.07Pryancr2_ work first on 7500 and then you make drivers for 7501
22:09.41BabelOcr2_: fmradio if i remember  , i check
22:12.45cr2_$PSRF107,%d,%d,%d,%u,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%lu,%d,%lu,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%d,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%lu,%d,%lu,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%d,%u,%d,%d
22:12.59cr2_seems to be undocumented.
22:13.36BabelOcr2_: it is fmradio.exe
22:13.52BabelOwhat is this $PSRF ?
22:14.22cr2_it's your bigbrother packedephemeris.ee
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22:14.51cr2_zlib-compressed and encrypted with unknown method.
22:15.46cr2_do you have \Windows\ephdata.clm ?
22:18.14cr2_the radio must be in the extended rom.
22:18.52NAiLSomeone was working on Artemis/P3300 support, right?
22:20.28BabelONAiL: yes
22:20.41BabelOwe try
22:21.49NAiLgood :)
22:21.51BabelOcr2_: yes i ve it
22:22.10cr2_Pryan: do you have [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\ATDbgLog ?
22:22.48NAiLBabelO: Any progress?
22:23.55BabelONAiL: no :(
22:24.07NAiLAnything working at all? ;)
22:24.42BabelONAiL: we can boot in console mode with framebuffer working and usb ssh too
22:24.55BabelONAiL: but it freeze quicly after that
22:28.38NAiLand nobody figures out why?
22:43.53cr2_BabelO: do you have the .clm file ?
22:44.06BabelOcr2_: yes
22:44.22BabelOi upload it somewhere, wait
22:47.39BabelOcr2_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/downloads
22:48.32cr2_ok.
22:48.56cr2_0k ?
22:49.09cr2_BabelO: it has zero size
22:49.29BabelOcr2_: i upload it directly from artemis :( it seem it is locked then
22:49.51cr2_maybe.
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23:22.33BabelOcr2_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/downloads
23:25.22cr2_BabelO: looks better :)
23:32.09cr2_good night.
23:32.26BabelOgood night

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