00:04.58 | paulproteus | Glad to hear you say that; I was afraid I was dense and it was my fault I didn't know how goxboxlive was making these images! |
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03:21.40 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Sigh - looks like we really need haret documentation. The gpios variable is used when running "watch gpios". It is _not_ used in "wi". The gpios variable should be setup with p2v() because it needs any mapping ("watch" just repeatedly reads from an address - any valid map works). The mmutrace requires the same address that wince uses because it intercepts virtual memory accesses. |
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11:33.40 | Foxdie | paulproteus you here? |
11:36.48 | Foxdie | what the heck is the unlock code? |
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11:39.07 | rakeem | Hello smart people. I need to a death certificate hardware for my BA's USB port: |
11:40.37 | rakeem | <PROTECTED> |
11:41.52 | rakeem | <PROTECTED> |
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11:45.30 | Foxdie | goxboxlive are you here? how to use qtopia II image? |
11:45.31 | rakeem | Hey blackest... You're how I feel.... |
11:45.54 | rakeem | What's your problem Foxdie? |
11:46.39 | Foxdie | I start it up, I get a nice black screen with icons on, I try and click any except the padlock and nothing happens, if I click the padlock I get a screen with numbers on, a pin entry system I think, but I don't know what the pin is |
11:46.44 | blackest | actually rakeem it was kind of intended that way an internal image :) |
11:47.50 | rakeem | My device has just fried it's USB port... Hence my blackness... |
11:48.05 | rakeem | Foxdie: You on a Uni? |
11:48.05 | blackest | ouch big time |
11:48.19 | Foxdie | rakeem: yup |
11:48.31 | Foxdie | btw, sorry to hear about your blueangels usb port :/ can you resolder it on? |
11:49.00 | rakeem | And I've only had it for a few days as a replacement for my Uni which I left in a hotel... Aaaargh! |
11:49.15 | Foxdie | did you phone the hotel up and ask them to check the room? |
11:49.48 | blackest | i had to get a usb port fixed on my universal after it disapppeared into the phone i couldnt get it done under warrentee but they said they would fix it for £75 and i got a nice shiny new universal |
11:50.19 | rakeem | There's a total soldering guru I use (side-street mobile phone repair dude)... He's worked miracles in the past, but I've a feeling it's an IC... |
11:50.56 | blackest | any warrantee on the phone |
11:51.52 | rakeem | Zilch... 2nd hand... |
11:52.09 | blackest | how did you kill it |
11:52.49 | rakeem | By being impatient and not taking it to said guru when it was obviously pretty wiggly... |
11:54.08 | rakeem | I've been through 7 htc deaths and two resurrections now... |
11:54.09 | Foxdie | :/ |
11:54.25 | Foxdie | been through one and that was enough |
11:54.30 | blackest | you might still be able to get it repaired sbc i think do it in the uk but they probably would exchange it |
11:54.41 | Foxdie | somehow managed to break a track on the pcb by not fitting an extended battery kit correctly |
11:54.55 | Foxdie | bought another one with a cracked lcd and swapped them out |
11:55.13 | rakeem | I managed to simultaneously breathe life into a six month and year dead tornado and Uni a while back.. |
11:55.19 | Foxdie | and sold the dead one to a developer in italy who I hope put it to good use by disassembling it and cataloging the components |
11:55.47 | Foxdie | rakeem: don't suppose you know much about the qtopia II rom do you? |
11:55.59 | rakeem | Yeah, it'd be great if we could each stick our 'box of bits' on an FTP... |
11:55.59 | Foxdie | in particular, how to get any use out ofit :) |
11:56.18 | blackest | foxdie on universal ? |
11:56.22 | Foxdie | Yup |
11:56.30 | rakeem | Yeah, I've run the QT2 ROM a couple of times.... |
11:56.51 | blackest | well i couldnt get it to work with the phone side enabled |
11:56.52 | Foxdie | I can't seem to get past the initial qtopia screen unless I click the lock button, at which point I don't know what the pin is |
11:57.03 | Foxdie | I cant do anything with it it seems |
11:57.15 | Foxdie | I can get back to a shell prompt by holding down power and killing qtopia |
11:57.17 | rakeem | On the Uni, I had exactly the same problem, came to exactly the same place and asked the same guy the same question... |
11:57.38 | Foxdie | and? |
11:57.43 | Foxdie | What was the answer? |
11:57.49 | blackest | exit qtopia and you need to edit one of the config files |
11:57.55 | rakeem | He wasn't around either... |
11:58.06 | Foxdie | okay blackest, am in the shell now, what must I edit? :) |
11:58.14 | blackest | page 174/175 on the linux thread |
11:58.23 | blackest | i'll find it |
11:58.39 | Foxdie | linux on universal update 4? |
11:58.51 | Foxdie | ironic I'd have that page open :D |
11:59.32 | rakeem | Sorry I can't be more specific, but I got it working either by trying again from a fresh FS, or from another image I found somewhere else... Lemme see what I've got lying around... |
11:59.47 | Foxdie | ahh, edit the qpe.sh script to comment out the phone lines? |
12:00.09 | blackest | yes |
12:00.56 | rakeem | A more scientific approach, I'll grant you that... ;-) |
12:01.01 | Foxdie | ;) |
12:01.07 | Foxdie | trying qpe again now |
12:01.12 | Foxdie | shame, I want to use phone though in the end |
12:01.15 | Foxdie | guess I'll have to wait |
12:01.19 | rakeem | I've got one called 'O.P.I.E.II-4.3.0.tar.bz2' |
12:01.37 | Foxdie | whoa |
12:01.43 | Foxdie | it works, and god this is a fast interface |
12:01.52 | rakeem | Nice... |
12:02.15 | blackest | well the open moko version works |
12:02.34 | rakeem | Your first fiddle with QT2? |
12:02.52 | rakeem | It's the most grown-up looking UI I've seen... |
12:03.11 | Foxdie | is this meant to be a poor mans iPhone interface? :) |
12:03.11 | blackest | i have actually called someone on the phone and played some mp3 files which i had on the card |
12:03.26 | blackest | try the padlock |
12:03.50 | Foxdie | whats the pin for the padlock? |
12:04.02 | blackest | it isnt you get a key |
12:04.08 | Foxdie | and how can I get the phone to work |
12:04.44 | rakeem | Never made a call... I've only got one SIM and my girlfriend goes mental when I conscript hers for democracy and science... |
12:05.24 | blackest | well i havent got the phone to work with qtopia i think its something to do with running a wm6 rom |
12:05.30 | rakeem | You drag the key into the lock (iPhone slider-like)... On some mode anyway... |
12:06.15 | Foxdie | holy crap |
12:06.28 | Foxdie | its smart enough to read files from my SD card for images for wallpaper :D |
12:06.39 | blackest | qtopia does seem like a better interface but no web browser no working sound... no working phone for me.. |
12:06.57 | rakeem | Yeah, my favourite image refused to boot when I went to bloat-6 so it was gone in ten minutes... |
12:07.00 | blackest | yep open moko does too |
12:07.16 | rakeem | Yeah, and NO TERMINAL! |
12:08.38 | blackest | i rang t-mobile the other day to find out why i cant get sky on it, and the woman was surprised i would still keep the uni after the contract ends |
12:09.10 | blackest | t-mobile have introduced mobile-tv but its poor |
12:09.21 | Foxdie | oh, you're on t-mobile as well? |
12:09.25 | blackest | yep |
12:09.26 | rakeem | Damn, it's so close now though.... The hardware's getting nailed quicker too... I watched cr2 and and bunch of other guys get the display on the Kaiser under control in less than half a day... |
12:09.32 | Foxdie | :) |
12:09.55 | Foxdie | you know what? fuck mobile TV from them :) |
12:10.08 | rakeem | In The States? I'm in Hong Kong... |
12:10.35 | Foxdie | with 3G coverage and web'n'walk max, just set up a TV stream from home and watch real sky, not sky mobile which is cut down due to licensing agreements |
12:10.45 | blackest | if you want to watch tv its a £1 for mobile-tv and a £1 for webnwalk for the day for that you generally get some streams that mess up after 5 minutes max |
12:11.24 | Foxdie | you haven't put web'n'walk on your priceplan? |
12:11.49 | Foxdie | I put it on mine, and I listen to online radio stations in the car (fm transmitter) when driving to and from work |
12:12.01 | blackest | i've got broadband and i'm not away from home enough to make it worth while |
12:13.05 | blackest | web'n'walk basic seems to block most ports i cant get a slingbox connection over 3g |
12:13.10 | cr2_ | Foxdie: i hope to get dvb-t working on athena :) |
12:13.33 | Foxdie | they don't really block ports |
12:13.43 | Foxdie | its because you're going through a NAT gateway to the internet |
12:13.59 | cr2_ | afair you can't get out of this "unlock" screen, because it's a "security" feature if you don't have a sim card. |
12:14.10 | Foxdie | so you need to initiate the connection, streaming unfortunately has to go over TCP instead of UDP |
12:14.16 | cr2_ | Foxdie: i mean real dvb-t with an usb dongle. |
12:14.24 | Foxdie | cr2_; that would be cool |
12:14.40 | Foxdie | and I have a sim card, but its stupid that it locks and you can't get out of it without restarting qpe |
12:14.54 | blackest | actually i met a couple of guys with an interesting little product yesterday its a little dab unit either for ipod or standalone |
12:15.20 | cr2_ | you should disable the pin on your sim card. |
12:15.31 | Pryan | cr2_ man, what's up |
12:15.43 | Foxdie | there isn't a pin on my sim card |
12:15.44 | cr2_ | all in all, it's completely fscked up ;) |
12:15.53 | blackest | I dont have a pin crt_ and it doesnt work:( |
12:15.58 | Foxdie | neither my sim nor my uni have a pin on them |
12:15.59 | cr2_ | but i need to finish my kernel business first. |
12:16.12 | cr2_ | blackest: on the uni ? |
12:16.16 | blackest | yes |
12:16.21 | Pryan | how you'r going with the kernel yob |
12:16.31 | cr2_ | Pryan: slowly |
12:16.32 | Foxdie | I am the same, I don't have a pin either |
12:16.40 | Pryan | kernel, gsm am |
12:16.47 | Pryan | *and so one |
12:17.03 | rakeem | Hey cr2, is there any other reason beyond toast that the USB port on my BA is dead in all circumstances (CE, Linux and Bootloader)...? |
12:17.05 | cr2_ | well, that's what goxboxlive had said. i don't remember my pin, and my uni is net-locked |
12:17.06 | Pryan | keyboard |
12:17.12 | blackest | i did wonder if its the region settings that are an issue it seems to go for an american locale and i'm uk t-mobile maybe why it cant find an operator ? |
12:17.55 | cr2_ | Pryan: for the keyboard i wait for Kevin2 |
12:18.05 | Pryan | and for gsm ? |
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12:18.09 | cr2_ | rakeem: no idea, use wifi |
12:18.36 | cr2_ | Pryan: gsm needs more research. i'll make BT and GSM first. |
12:18.51 | cr2_ | because it's easier, and i know everything what's needed. |
12:18.58 | Pryan | gsm = GSM ? |
12:19.01 | cr2_ | s/GSM/GPS/ |
12:19.08 | Pryan | ok, BT is cool |
12:19.22 | Pryan | ok |
12:19.32 | rakeem | cr2: For ROM updates? |
12:19.50 | Pryan | when you got keyboard and GSM it is likely a firts public beta |
12:19.57 | Foxdie | cr2_ that I can help test |
12:20.03 | Foxdie | I have a bluetooth GPS mouse |
12:20.10 | Foxdie | and use it every day for gps tracking project I made :) |
12:20.27 | cr2_ | rakeem: it's theoretically possible, but i think you can't do it right now. |
12:20.40 | blackest | how goods your gps tracking project Foxdie |
12:21.10 | cr2_ | Foxdie: openstreetmap ? |
12:21.19 | Foxdie | take a look: http://trackmygps.co.uk/ |
12:21.26 | Pryan | cr2_ when you have a suitable version i am no problem with testing it |
12:21.29 | Foxdie | click view, type in user foxdie |
12:21.32 | rakeem | cr2: For the lunatic fringe, perhaps, for the likes of me... |
12:21.33 | Foxdie | password is opensesame |
12:21.46 | Foxdie | coded in php / ajax from scratch >:) |
12:22.02 | rakeem | Hehe... ;-) |
12:22.17 | Foxdie | its only a simple site, I was focusing more on the back end work, it was a way for me to learn php and ajax |
12:22.24 | cr2_ | Pryan: ok. |
12:22.57 | Pryan | is it in pendrive or u will done a ROM version or a SD card |
12:23.11 | Pryan | in pendrive i havent the wire need |
12:23.17 | cr2_ | Pryan: you need the usb/tv cable |
12:23.33 | cr2_ | i'm not yet ready with the SD |
12:23.39 | Pryan | ok |
12:23.44 | cr2_ | and there is no microdrive driver. |
12:24.39 | Pryan | but it could be possible to done works with SD because getting a wire and a USB stick isnt very usefull |
12:25.09 | cr2_ | Pryan: ok, but it was easier for me to do it this way. |
12:25.17 | Pryan | ok |
12:25.23 | cr2_ | the SD is also needed for hermes |
12:25.28 | blackest | password incorrect foxdie |
12:25.31 | cr2_ | and it's the same driver |
12:26.04 | Pryan | ah, then you can convert the drivers easily to athena |
12:26.45 | Pryan | what things you have running on athena linux ? |
12:26.52 | Foxdie | http://trackmygps.co.uk/foxdie |
12:27.01 | Foxdie | it'll pop up for a password, enter: opensesame |
12:28.10 | rakeem | FOXDIE'S A BRUMMIE! |
12:28.12 | blackest | ;) |
12:28.33 | blackest | hmm he could be just visiting |
12:29.12 | rakeem | Well that smell of chips'n'gravy's gotta be coming from somewhere... ;-) |
12:29.16 | Foxdie | OI! |
12:29.20 | Foxdie | :) |
12:29.37 | Foxdie | I live / work in birmingham yes, but I'm a yorkshire lad through and through ;) |
12:29.55 | cr2_ | Pryan: i think it's be going in the opposite direction. i'll make it work on athena, so it'll work on hermes too. |
12:30.03 | rakeem | I'm a Glasgow bloke in Hong Kong... |
12:30.23 | Pryan | yes, i am saying this |
12:30.27 | Foxdie | my pda takes the gps position read from the gps mouse and submits it via a php script on the site |
12:30.34 | Pryan | you are working on athena |
12:30.36 | blackest | cool do you take paypal :) rakeem |
12:30.48 | Pryan | and i ask you for things working on athena |
12:31.00 | cr2_ | Pryan: i have both, but pxa is easier/better documented. |
12:31.02 | blackest | you could be an excellent source of batterys :) |
12:31.05 | Foxdie | sadly the software is windows only at the moment, I'd like to write some gps tracking software in linux once the roms become fully usable and reliable |
12:31.15 | Foxdie | lol blackest you evil git |
12:31.20 | Pryan | ok |
12:31.49 | cr2_ | Pryan: i have usb host running, anf the fb/touchscreen |
12:31.50 | Foxdie | exploiting our dear glaswegian friends in cheap electronic gadget distri.. what the hell, sign me up as well :D |
12:32.11 | blackest | serious i bought a battery for an e740 for about £15 and i am sure the supplier does it for about £3 |
12:32.33 | Foxdie | probably |
12:32.34 | cr2_ | Pryan: so everything 'usb' works. hdd,keyboard,mouse, BT, and i think dvb-t will work too. |
12:32.43 | Foxdie | bak in a moment, nuking some sausage rolls for lunch |
12:32.48 | Pryan | it's too low for a user linux testing, it's only a PDA |
12:33.08 | Pryan | without any exterior communicacions |
12:33.09 | rakeem | Actually no, but I've said it before here, I found the place where all the spares on eBay seem to come from and it's about 25mins from my house. If anyone needs anything I can call the guy that runs it direct. |
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12:33.30 | cr2_ | Pryan: BT and gps coming. keyboard is mostly done too. |
12:34.04 | blackest | the drop shipper near me seems to do very well with his near empty unit with his black lamborgini parked outside |
12:34.40 | cr2_ | Pryan: i get the 'tick' sound from the sound chip, so the voice phone will work too. when the AT commands will work. |
12:34.43 | rakeem | What's an e740 again? |
12:34.49 | Pryan | it's possible to running linux in horizontal mode ? because athenca-boot.exe runs in vertical mode |
12:34.56 | blackest | its an old toshiba pda |
12:35.03 | cr2_ | the sound chip is the same as on the universal. |
12:35.03 | Pryan | ok |
12:35.20 | Pryan | great, you can do mobile phones |
12:35.24 | cr2_ | but there will be some problems with the sound playback. |
12:35.26 | Pryan | and receiving ? |
12:35.27 | blackest | i got it back up and running for gps when my uni went on its travels to be repaired |
12:36.05 | cr2_ | Pryan: i don't know how to rotate the picture (in hardware) |
12:36.21 | Pryan | brb |
12:36.28 | cr2_ | Pryan: the software rotation is suboptimal, but universal uses it :) |
12:36.29 | Pryan | it could be great |
12:36.57 | Pryan | have you put in contact with HTC for this ? |
12:37.12 | cr2_ | of course not. |
12:37.23 | Pryan | they have interested on a linux version for HTC movile phones |
12:37.24 | cr2_ | it's ATI |
12:37.35 | Pryan | ahm |
12:38.03 | cr2_ | probably only for the new msm7x00-based phones. |
12:38.21 | cr2_ | and i guess many modules are not going to be free software. |
12:38.30 | cr2_ | which is unacceptable for me. |
12:38.41 | rakeem | What's after the phones? What else can you deploy such reverse-engineering on? |
12:38.41 | Pryan | yes |
12:38.45 | Pryan | for me too |
12:39.09 | Pryan | but maybe they said how to rotate screen in hardware mode for free, |
12:39.16 | Pryan | try it |
12:39.26 | cr2_ | rakeem: sirf gps. and garmin. they use arm cpus too. |
12:39.34 | rakeem | Ooh... |
12:39.56 | cr2_ | Pryan: they'll redirect to ATI/AMD. i'm 100% sure. |
12:40.12 | cr2_ | and those do not publish even the wince api. |
12:40.44 | cr2_ | it#s easier to trace the ATI registers i guess. |
12:41.08 | cr2_ | some people wanted to do what you suggest, but i have never heard from them anymore. |
12:41.23 | Pryan | and the software today HTC plugin doesnt have hardware rotation ? |
12:41.28 | Foxdie | back\ |
12:41.32 | rakeem | 'Hack the servers, break the silence!' |
12:41.41 | Foxdie | what you able to get hold of rakeem? :) |
12:42.13 | cr2_ | Pryan: there is a screen rotation option in wince, but i've not observed the control register changes |
12:42.23 | cr2_ | maybe i need to check it again. |
12:42.25 | rakeem | It was nice walking in and picking a Tornado and Uni screen off the wall... |
12:42.32 | Pryan | aham |
12:42.51 | Pryan | work on it |
12:43.00 | Foxdie | cool :) |
12:43.03 | cr2_ | Pryan: but maybe they are strange, and use software rotation. |
12:43.03 | Pryan | if you need help i'm here |
12:43.06 | blackest | foxdie ever done anything with openstreetmap/ |
12:43.24 | Foxdie | nope, what is it? |
12:43.38 | cr2_ | Foxdie: http://openstreetmap.org |
12:43.52 | Foxdie | looking now |
12:44.01 | blackest | its a free gps project the problem with implimenting free gps is the mapping data isnt |
12:44.16 | cr2_ | bbl |
12:44.56 | Foxdie | so why not use google maps? |
12:45.13 | blackest | well you need to be connected to google for one |
12:45.17 | cr2_ | osm is a project that will piss off a lot of people. for many different reasons ;) |
12:46.01 | cr2_ | Foxdie: what you get from google maps is complete junk in many areas of the world. |
12:46.13 | Foxdie | you mean like iraq? |
12:46.13 | blackest | what it really needs is a pda based editor one that can take existing map data and add in data for new roads as its collected |
12:46.45 | cr2_ | Foxdie: not only :) |
12:47.11 | Foxdie | yes, I have found google maps nor tomtom know of a major bypass to the A38 in my area that was completed 6 MONTHS AGO :/ |
12:47.15 | blackest | i run all over the place and i have an ap that records where i have been but its not so easy adding that data to the project |
12:48.11 | blackest | problem is if i use a road that is known already my tracks just go over the existing data |
12:49.31 | blackest | an updating ap would just need a trip round your new bypass and appropriate tags adding later |
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12:50.04 | Foxdie | and that would update openstreetmap? |
12:50.42 | Foxdie | wtf, half the mapping data is missing from northfield (where I live) |
12:50.47 | blackest | well with open streetmap you can add a gps track and then convert it into a road but its not that easy |
12:51.04 | blackest | exactly someone needs to map those streets |
12:51.20 | Foxdie | ooh |
12:51.25 | Foxdie | it knows about the bypass :D |
12:51.48 | Foxdie | "Northfield Relief Road" |
12:52.07 | Foxdie | and lol, the mapping ends where I live |
12:52.46 | blackest | google odgps |
12:53.22 | Foxdie | so how easy is it for me to drive down a road and then upload it to OSM? |
12:53.26 | blackest | that will run on the universal and let you create tracks that you can upload to OSM |
12:54.13 | blackest | you set odgps to track and when you have finished save the file and upload the gps file to osm |
12:54.19 | Foxdie | I have some software that'll create a GPS track, its called GPSGate |
12:54.37 | blackest | what format does it save in? |
12:54.45 | Foxdie | one sec |
12:56.15 | Foxdie | rawr nmea data |
12:56.51 | Foxdie | .nmea extension |
12:57.27 | blackest | it may be ok i think odgps saves as .gpx files |
12:58.25 | blackest | anyway you should be able to upload the saved file to OSM and use it to create roads on the map |
12:58.47 | Foxdie | ahh ool |
12:58.49 | Foxdie | *cool |
12:59.01 | Foxdie | whats to stop people just copying google maps? |
12:59.09 | blackest | copyright |
12:59.32 | Foxdie | well yeah, but people can just screenshot it and trace it in |
12:59.47 | blackest | well there are eastereggs as well |
12:59.58 | Foxdie | oh? |
13:00.10 | blackest | fake streets streets that have been moved slightly ect |
13:00.43 | Foxdie | on google maps? |
13:00.54 | blackest | probably |
13:01.18 | Foxdie | does OSM have an IRC channel? |
13:01.37 | blackest | i dont know to be honest |
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13:03.10 | blackest | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/IRC#IRC five channels there |
13:03.49 | Foxdie | so, #openstreetmap on this IRC network then :) |
13:04.08 | blackest | yes beat me too it |
13:04.21 | Foxdie | ;) |
13:04.25 | Pryan | cr2_ i have sent an email to htc and ati to see if they provide me the especifications for hardware rotation screen |
13:04.39 | Foxdie | btw blackest, you wouldn't happen to be interested in rock music would you? |
13:06.41 | rakeem | Pryan, your positivity is an example to us all... |
13:08.24 | Foxdie | Positivity yes, but I don't think they will help, theres no profit in it |
13:08.34 | Foxdie | people are too greedy these days |
13:08.37 | Pryan | thanks rakeem |
13:08.52 | Foxdie | but thankyou nonetheless Pryan, I'll keep my fingers crossed for you bud |
13:09.15 | Pryan | hahaha, me too |
13:09.43 | Pryan | some days ago i have sent a linux related email and i have no response from they |
13:09.56 | Pryan | to htc |
13:10.25 | rakeem | Indeed, I've discussed this issue in the pub with lawyers and barristers, and they all agree that such practices violate fundamental common-law assumptions... They're pricks and they know it basically. |
13:10.55 | Foxdie | with that last bit I couldn't have put it better myself mate |
13:11.48 | rakeem | Search google for goxboxlive's heartfelt plea on the official HTC forums. The silence may suck up all your bandwidth... |
13:12.02 | Foxdie | Its one of the reasons why I want to move to linux as a whole, I don't like supporting greedy corporations |
13:12.23 | Foxdie | can you give me the url? I'm a little lazy and this powerbook is a slow piece of crap :) |
13:14.45 | rakeem | Greedy sods are gonna be around for a while, they're just availing themselves of the smokescreen that new-technology allows... They're riding the gravy-train as long as they can before the conductor shouts "ANTITRUST!" |
13:23.25 | rakeem | I don't wanna come across as a nationalist zealot, but at the heart of many of these devices, lies an ARM core. I think we've counted five in the Uni alone. As Foxdie's probably aware, being a brit, ARM was once an acronym of Acorn RISC Machines, part of a taxpayer funded project to get britain geeky in the 80's. Our parents and grandparents paid for the technology, but as usual it was handed over to private interests when it was ready t |
13:25.05 | Pryan | if you pay for a device, it's logic that you must to get enought support and if you likr to install in this device the linux software they must provide you as much help as you can need |
13:25.12 | Foxdie | Correct! |
13:25.33 | Foxdie | God, you know what? the geek inside me misses the A300's I used in high school |
13:25.54 | Foxdie | we used to get into so much trouble playing this one game where you had to navigate a line through a cave by moving it up and down as it travelled right |
13:26.26 | Foxdie | Now look at Acorns offspring. Making telephone calls, tracking GPS data, surfing porn... heh |
13:26.49 | rakeem | Hang on. Just had a call from my girlfriend... She's not well, gonna get her off the bus... |
13:26.58 | Foxdie | Np mate |
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13:48.47 | Foxdie | wb cr2 |
13:56.25 | cr2_ | Pryan: do you have 7500 or 7501 ? |
14:03.30 | Pryan | 7500 |
14:04.06 | Pryan | why ? |
14:05.46 | cr2_ | 7500 seems to be the same hardware as ameo. 7501 may be different, and there are other possible variations. |
14:06.47 | Pryan | ahm |
14:07.09 | Pryan | for now first make port for 7500 |
14:07.18 | cr2_ | i have ameo |
14:07.24 | Pryan | it's the most common |
14:08.44 | Pryan | but 7500 and ameo seems to be different company names, not ? |
14:09.31 | cr2_ | 7500 is black, ameo is grey. |
14:09.50 | cr2_ | 7501 does not have the second cam ? |
14:09.56 | Pryan | not |
14:10.09 | cr2_ | any other differences ? |
14:10.23 | Pryan | and have a radio sintonicer |
14:10.38 | cr2_ | i'd like to hear from somebody with 7501 |
14:10.46 | cr2_ | fm radio ? |
14:11.48 | Pryan | yes |
14:17.17 | Pryan | i know it has fm radio because i have read it in a web page but in descriptions of most pages i dont see this characteristics |
14:18.38 | cr2_ | i'm looking at it. |
14:19.07 | cr2_ | if there is an fm radio, there should be a driver. |
14:20.36 | Pryan | wait, im searching too |
14:20.52 | cr2_ | seems to be ATHE10003 |
14:21.09 | cr2_ | mine is ATHE10000 |
14:21.27 | cr2_ | 9letter name is strange. |
14:24.06 | Pryan | mine is ATHE100 think |
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14:25.03 | Pryan | Model information: ATHE100 |
14:26.36 | cr2_ | have you checked the boardid ? |
14:26.59 | Pryan | i see the System information of WM6 |
14:27.20 | cr2_ | no, the internal wince log |
14:27.37 | Pryan | i dont know where to see this |
14:27.51 | Pryan | please explaine me step to step |
14:28.18 | cr2_ | pwf wincelog 0xa0100000 0x200000 |
14:28.31 | cr2_ | wincelog is a text file |
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14:29.26 | Pryan | pwf ? |
14:29.34 | dcordes | rakeem_, " watched cr2 and and bunch of other guys get the display on the Kaiser under control in less than half a day..." dude where is that display driver :D let me know wher I can get it |
14:29.41 | dcordes | hi |
14:29.53 | Pryan | i have search with resco file explorer any file with name wincelog and it isnt |
14:31.04 | cr2_ | Pryan: it's a haret command. |
14:31.55 | cr2_ | dcordes: not the kaiser. hermes/athena is a better match. |
14:32.18 | dcordes | cr2_, I just thought I missed something important |
14:32.20 | cr2_ | hehe. htc messed with the sirf3 firmware. |
14:32.47 | cr2_ | 151,152 and 154 |
14:33.30 | cr2_ | it's nice that strings also knows about SREC |
14:34.12 | dcordes | cr2_, what can I learn from the last observations from yesterday when you said something was wrong? |
14:36.04 | cr2_ | Kevin2 said you should use 'watch gpios' instead of 'wi' |
14:36.14 | cr2_ | afair it was not the case before. |
14:36.32 | cr2_ | so we need the better haret docs |
14:37.43 | Pryan | cr2 0x200000 or 0x20000000 |
14:39.30 | cr2_ | Pryan: 0x200000 |
14:39.35 | cr2_ | 2 megabytes |
14:39.50 | cr2_ | 2*1024*1024 will work too. |
14:40.03 | Pryan | ahm |
14:42.38 | dcordes | cr2_, watch gpios refering to the list thing I pasted? where you told me to make a script of it? |
14:42.54 | cr2_ | yes. |
14:43.09 | cr2_ | i'm interested if you can see the gpio changes. |
14:43.09 | dcordes | which was vibration alert related? |
14:43.19 | dcordes | ok let me get set |
14:43.22 | dcordes | 3 minutes |
14:43.24 | cr2_ | yes, that too. |
14:45.22 | Pryan | cr2 what text i must to find, because the file is quite big |
14:46.54 | cr2_ | the file is 2MB |
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14:47.09 | Pryan | yes |
14:47.16 | dcordes | cr2_: ok everything ready |
14:47.42 | Pryan | because this, please give me a string to search the boardid |
14:47.57 | cr2_ | V03USB: 1583 on board |
14:48.14 | cr2_ | Board ID: 6 |
14:48.27 | cr2_ | CHW::Initialize ChipId(0x70) is 158230- signalling H/W reset |
14:49.38 | Pryan | yes, i got all this strings |
14:49.49 | Pryan | exactly |
14:50.21 | cr2_ | IDE: HWBoardVer = 6 |
14:50.40 | cr2_ | ok, so you have the same hardware. |
14:51.16 | Pryan | yes |
14:52.08 | dcordes | cr2_: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47157 addlist gpios 0xb2b00800[, ...]; watch gpios? |
14:52.17 | dcordes | then hit vibe? |
14:53.15 | cr2_ | dcordes: yes. |
14:56.26 | Pryan | it will be maintenance for athena-boot.exe ? |
14:56.37 | Pryan | it's a great form to boot linux |
14:57.01 | Pryan | but it's best the SD card |
14:59.03 | Pryan | testing linux with athena-boot.exe its great |
15:03.54 | dcordes | cr2_: just to make sure, am I suppoesed to set ibits again= |
15:04.33 | cr2_ | no |
15:04.45 | dcordes | but they spam the sht out my terminal |
15:04.58 | dcordes | how am I supposed to see the vibrator thing |
15:05.10 | dcordes | 203 683 290 those are active on complete idle |
15:06.15 | dcordes | cr2_: ? I have to leave in an instance |
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15:07.43 | paulproteus | Foxdie, Hey! |
15:07.49 | Foxdie | hiya |
15:08.18 | dcordes | cr2_: come on what info do you need? |
15:08.22 | Foxdie | I put the qtopia II image on my uni |
15:08.33 | dcordes | yuck, no terminal |
15:08.34 | Foxdie | seems okay, had to disable the phone in qpe.sh to get it to work |
15:08.52 | Foxdie | any idea how to fix the phone? |
15:11.42 | dcordes | that's what I get http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47227/ with |
15:12.13 | dcordes | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/47229/ |
15:12.15 | dcordes | added |
15:12.42 | dcordes | added as in addlist gpios * |
15:12.48 | dcordes | bbiab |
15:12.54 | cr2_ | dcordes: looks good. |
15:13.02 | dcordes | which means? |
15:13.12 | cr2_ | we need to narrow the search. |
15:13.23 | cr2_ | and mask the spam bits. |
15:13.28 | paulproteus | Foxdie, The lock icon thing - I think that's just a confusing UI thing, not something major. |
15:14.28 | dcordes | cr2_: ok but now i get to local fastfood |
15:14.29 | dcordes | bbiab |
15:15.00 | paulproteus | I think I had something like that on my Neo1973 re: lock icon. |
15:18.19 | paulproteus | Foxdie, I'll have a Universal in a couple of days and then I'll let you know, okay? (-: |
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15:54.18 | rakeem_ | Ooh... A Neo1973... What do you think? Has yours got wifi? |
15:57.50 | rakeem_ | [I mean what do you think of the phone?] |
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16:07.31 | paulproteus | rakeem_, Mine has the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/One_transistor_too_many problem so it can't sleep. |
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16:09.48 | |cos| | We're aiming at running linux on the hp iPAQ rx4240, but we're a bit confused on where to go now. |
16:10.09 | paulproteus | Mine doesn't have wifi, but I might get a wifi board soon, we'll see. |
16:10.17 | paulproteus | I also just bought a Universal to tide me over. (-; |
16:10.58 | |cos| | So far, we've gotten a test program booted with HaRET that successfully writes to the frame buffer. So hand over from HaRET works. |
16:11.16 | paulproteus | Nice - so what if you load a Linux kernel then? |
16:11.27 | paulproteus | And is the FB something standard-ish? |
16:12.14 | |cos| | when we try a kernel compiled for s3c244x nothing seems to happen after HaRET is done. :( |
16:12.24 | |cos| | the fb is at 0x30100000 |
16:12.48 | |cos| | and the code start address is at 0x30000000 |
16:13.02 | |cos| | so code area and fb are overlapping :( |
16:13.12 | |cos| | i don't know if that's normal |
16:13.31 | paulproteus | Me neither, I'm actually not much of an htc-linux devver "yet". |
16:13.58 | |cos| | from browsing mailing lists et.c. it seems to happen to more people |
16:14.24 | paulproteus | Interesting; but no sign of what they did next I guess? |
16:14.40 | paulproteus | Have you emailed those lists to see what people say? |
16:15.17 | |cos| | not yet |
16:15.46 | |cos| | and we haven't actually found any mailing list dealing with samsung s3c244x |
16:16.12 | paulproteus | s3c244x - isn't that the same as the Neo? |
16:16.19 | |cos| | yup |
16:16.29 | |cos| | it should be |
16:16.32 | paulproteus | Very interesting. Are you trying openmoko-brand kernels? |
16:16.49 | |cos| | that's an idea we haven't thought of |
16:17.32 | |cos| | we've tried other ipaq s3c244x kernels and self compiled with default config |
16:18.03 | |cos| | but openmoko keeps a separate repository somewhere with the latest development, i guess? |
16:18.25 | Foxdie | paulproteus: that'd be cool (response to your previos message to me) |
16:18.30 | Foxdie | sorry, had something important come up |
16:18.34 | paulproteus | No prob, Bob. |
16:18.39 | |cos| | paulproteus: thanks! |
16:18.43 | Foxdie | bob? :) |
16:18.50 | |cos| | i'm on the wiki already (: |
16:18.59 | paulproteus | |cos|, I don't think this is much more interesting than the iPaq kernels, and I think you should email somewhere and get advice anyway (-: |
16:22.02 | |cos| | you're right, i guess i should mail somewhere |
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16:25.55 | paulproteus | Don't fret yet. You could try some htc Linux list probably if you think they're the most active; I imagine people won't mind the slightly-off-topicness. |
16:40.11 | dcordes | cr2_: back |
16:43.49 | dcordes | cr2_: how to narrow the search now? |
16:48.25 | dcordes | cr2_: I tried to ibit gpios the spamming gpios but didn't work |
16:49.32 | dcordes | I think I filtered out the vibration gpio |
16:49.49 | dcordes | because there was no activity on watch gpios |
16:58.21 | cr2_ | dcordes: there are 105 gpios (afair) |
16:58.31 | cr2_ | + the cpld gpios |
16:59.12 | cr2_ | you need to mask the extra gpios, and create a wiki page. |
16:59.37 | cr2_ | i've told you which gpios are used for wifi and SD. |
17:00.34 | cr2_ | it's possible to check which cpld gpios are related to some hw functions. |
17:07.39 | dcordes | ok |
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18:44.35 | |cos| | would the first thing to get executed in the kernel be init_kernel in init/main.c or something else? |
18:44.49 | |cos| | kernel_init() that is, not the other way around |
19:09.09 | |cos| | i guess it would be something more in the lines of arch/arm/boot/bootp/init.S |
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19:44.29 | cr2_ | hi kiozen |
19:44.34 | kiozen | hi |
19:45.16 | cr2_ | i guess n560/c55x is still not in the haret machine list |
19:46.22 | kiozen | hm I sent the log, however without comment, maybe kevin ignored it :) |
19:46.24 | cr2_ | i have 2 ideas. 1. you can try to boot from gnu-haret 2. i (or you) can compile haret myself and add it to the list |
19:47.13 | kiozen | let's try gnu-haret.. |
19:47.24 | cr2_ | ok. |
19:47.44 | cr2_ | i'm interested if you'll get such consistent hangups during boot. |
19:48.22 | kiozen | where can I download the source for gnu-haret? |
19:48.33 | cr2_ | get the binary |
19:48.52 | cr2_ | the source is in sf.net/projects/xanadux CVS |
19:49.12 | cr2_ | haret/haret-gnu directory |
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20:01.57 | kiozen | cr2_ arm-wince-pe-gcc: what tool chain is that? |
20:13.21 | cr2_ | it was an old vlc toolchain. |
20:19.26 | kiozen | cr2_ hm tried arm-wince-cegcc-gcc, get a lot of compiler error due to symbol redefinition. |
20:20.18 | kiozen | can we cut this short? I spent the last 2 days on a "Installationsorgie". I am a little bit fed up with tweaking tool chains :) |
20:23.40 | cr2_ | get the binary |
20:23.54 | cr2_ | http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret |
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20:26.41 | kiozen | cr2_ ok, what do I have to add to the default.txt to boot? |
20:26.51 | cr2_ | mtype |
20:26.55 | cr2_ | cmdline |
20:26.58 | cr2_ | boot2 |
20:27.17 | kiozen | set MTYPE 1417 |
20:27.25 | kiozen | set cmdline "root=/dev/mmcblk0 rootdelay=10" |
20:27.32 | kiozen | boot2 |
20:27.33 | kiozen | ? |
20:28.56 | kiozen | guess the zImage has to be in the path |
20:29.34 | kiozen | it should be zImage.n560, shouldn't it? |
20:29.35 | cr2_ | yes. |
20:34.52 | kiozen | cr2_ it made a sound for one second and then the scree is black -> hard reset needed |
20:35.19 | kiozen | wait I forgot to insert rootfs |
20:35.53 | kiozen | cr2_ same result |
20:37.03 | cr2_ | ok. |
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21:45.35 | cr2_ | it's silent today |
21:45.52 | Babel | cr2_: very silent |
21:47.43 | BabelO | ~weather ENFB |
21:47.58 | BabelO | humm no meteo at oslo |
21:48.01 | BabelO | :( |
21:48.41 | cr2_ | strange. they have an airport there ;) |
21:48.53 | BabelO | ~weather ENGM |
21:49.46 | BabelO | cr2_: how is athena status ? |
21:49.51 | cr2_ | it's weird that they dare to use non-metric units. |
21:49.56 | BabelO | ~status athena |
21:50.24 | cr2_ | i'd like to know the fm radio chip. |
21:50.48 | BabelO | cr2_: maybe same than artemis with rds ta capabilities |
21:50.49 | cr2_ | usb host, vsfb and touchscreen are working. |
21:51.15 | BabelO | what about usb host tv ? |
21:51.26 | cr2_ | BabelO: i've seen the hires motherboard pictures, and it's not clear what chips are really there. |
21:51.45 | cr2_ | i need to merge the linuxtv.org code into the kernel first. |
21:52.22 | cr2_ | athena is a great internet tablet. |
21:52.46 | cr2_ | it's only vga, but has many nice features. |
21:52.52 | BabelO | ah it is not here ? next year phone will have integrated dvb-h or something like that |
21:53.14 | cr2_ | i doubt it. |
21:53.30 | cr2_ | they want that you pay for umts ;) |
21:53.42 | BabelO | for what accelerometer is used on athena ? |
21:53.55 | cr2_ | it's some i2c chip. |
21:54.19 | cr2_ | don't know the name, but it's easy to trace the i2c datastream. |
21:54.29 | BabelO | yes, but what wince software use it ? |
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21:54.37 | cr2_ | very easy. unlike on the omap850 ;) |
21:54.42 | cr2_ | opera |
21:55.33 | BabelO | yoiu have opera on it ;) |
21:55.41 | cr2_ | i think so. |
21:55.56 | cr2_ | the 7500 has tomtom too. afaik. |
21:56.16 | cr2_ | BabelO: what is the main problem on artemis ? |
21:56.19 | BabelO | cr2_: you can use gmaps and wifi ;) |
21:56.36 | BabelO | cr2_: it is freeze after a while |
21:57.08 | cr2_ | i can, but i don't want to. |
21:58.42 | BabelO | cr2_: google will provide a new service of localisation soon, based on operator gsm base antenna |
22:02.09 | cr2_ | with some spam-ridden client software ? |
22:02.36 | BabelO | cr2_: don't now i m looking for a non french news ;) |
22:02.38 | cr2_ | i'm more interested into looking under the hood of the sirf3 chip. |
22:03.17 | cr2_ | i see that it can run at 25MHz and 50MHz from the firmware. |
22:03.50 | cr2_ | it's interesting to get an idea of the address spaces and registers there. |
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22:08.03 | cr2_ | BabelO: what is the fm radio program name ? |
22:09.07 | Pryan | cr2_ work first on 7500 and then you make drivers for 7501 |
22:09.41 | BabelO | cr2_: fmradio if i remember , i check |
22:12.45 | cr2_ | $PSRF107,%d,%d,%d,%u,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%lu,%d,%lu,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%d,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%lu,%d,%lu,%u,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%d,%u,%d,%u,%d,%d |
22:12.59 | cr2_ | seems to be undocumented. |
22:13.36 | BabelO | cr2_: it is fmradio.exe |
22:13.52 | BabelO | what is this $PSRF ? |
22:14.22 | cr2_ | it's your bigbrother packedephemeris.ee |
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22:14.51 | cr2_ | zlib-compressed and encrypted with unknown method. |
22:15.46 | cr2_ | do you have \Windows\ephdata.clm ? |
22:18.14 | cr2_ | the radio must be in the extended rom. |
22:18.52 | NAiL | Someone was working on Artemis/P3300 support, right? |
22:20.28 | BabelO | NAiL: yes |
22:20.41 | BabelO | we try |
22:21.49 | NAiL | good :) |
22:21.51 | BabelO | cr2_: yes i ve it |
22:22.10 | cr2_ | Pryan: do you have [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\ATDbgLog ? |
22:22.48 | NAiL | BabelO: Any progress? |
22:23.55 | BabelO | NAiL: no :( |
22:24.07 | NAiL | Anything working at all? ;) |
22:24.42 | BabelO | NAiL: we can boot in console mode with framebuffer working and usb ssh too |
22:24.55 | BabelO | NAiL: but it freeze quicly after that |
22:28.38 | NAiL | and nobody figures out why? |
22:43.53 | cr2_ | BabelO: do you have the .clm file ? |
22:44.06 | BabelO | cr2_: yes |
22:44.22 | BabelO | i upload it somewhere, wait |
22:47.39 | BabelO | cr2_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/downloads |
22:48.32 | cr2_ | ok. |
22:48.56 | cr2_ | 0k ? |
22:49.09 | cr2_ | BabelO: it has zero size |
22:49.29 | BabelO | cr2_: i upload it directly from artemis :( it seem it is locked then |
22:49.51 | cr2_ | maybe. |
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23:22.33 | BabelO | cr2_: http://linuxbox2.free.fr/downloads |
23:25.22 | cr2_ | BabelO: looks better :) |
23:32.09 | cr2_ | good night. |
23:32.26 | BabelO | good night |