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| 00:53.48 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 00:53.55 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Still here? |
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| 01:04.15 | BabelO | hi Kevin2 |
| 01:04.52 | Kevin2 | Hi BabelO |
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| 01:13.27 | BabelO | swetland: still alive ? |
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| 01:15.16 | King_InuYasha | hey |
| 01:16.17 | King_InuYasha | is anyone here? |
| 01:16.39 | BabelO | King_InuYasha: a little |
| 01:17.11 | King_InuYasha | well, i recently was hired to unbrick an HTC Hermes 100 |
| 01:17.27 | King_InuYasha | and it was borked up so badly that i couldn't completely install WM6 |
| 01:17.51 | King_InuYasha | so i figured that bootstrapping Windows Mobile to run a Linux phone distribution would make it better |
| 01:18.18 | King_InuYasha | has anyone fitted the OpenMoko software on HTC Hermes? |
| 01:24.44 | Kevin2 | King_InuYasha: We can boot linux, but we don't yet have a driver for flash or SD. So there isn't much we can do with it. |
| 01:24.58 | Kevin2 | So, no - OpenMoko wont work. |
| 01:25.26 | King_InuYasha | so once there is an SD or flash driver, then OpenMoko or Qtopia would work? |
| 01:26.05 | Kevin2 | King_InuYasha: We'll be real close at that point. cr2 has been working on the sd driver for the last few weeks. |
| 01:29.27 | King_InuYasha | great |
| 01:29.51 | King_InuYasha | meanwhile, this bricked phone only can install ROM up to 11% |
| 01:29.55 | King_InuYasha | then it stops for some reason |
| 01:30.06 | King_InuYasha | it says communications error, but that doesnt make sense |
| 01:30.19 | King_InuYasha | because the regular ActiveSync still works |
| 01:31.00 | King_InuYasha | btw, when cr2 has the sd driver ready, do you guys plan to merge your patches into the OpenMoko tree? |
| 01:31.09 | King_InuYasha | or submit them for review? |
| 01:33.19 | Kevin2 | The changes we're working on right now are for the linux kernel. Once we've got them to a working state and have all the rough edges ironed out, it will be submitted to lkml. |
| 01:33.35 | King_InuYasha | so they will go to mainline kernel |
| 01:33.36 | King_InuYasha | Hmm' |
| 01:33.38 | King_InuYasha | good |
| 01:34.17 | Kevin2 | Yep |
| 01:35.17 | King_InuYasha | that would be awesome, because that would seriously expand OpenMoko's ability to run on various phones |
| 01:35.34 | King_InuYasha | a good chunk of PDA phones are from HTC, merely rebranded |
| 01:37.26 | Kevin2 | Yes. goxboxlive has ported openmoko (along with qtopia, angstrom, opie) to the HTC Universal. |
| 01:38.03 | King_InuYasha | who sells the HTC Universal besides HTC themselves? |
| 01:38.09 | King_InuYasha | i dont think anybody in the USA does |
| 01:38.16 | King_InuYasha | but maybe people in Europed |
| 01:38.19 | King_InuYasha | *Europe |
| 01:39.29 | Kevin2 | I don't know. I have an HTC Apache and HTC Hermes. |
| 01:39.42 | King_InuYasha | i dont actually own an HTC device |
| 01:39.51 | King_InuYasha | though i have been considering acquiring one |
| 01:40.05 | King_InuYasha | im hoping for the FIC Neo1973 |
| 01:40.31 | King_InuYasha | those things will sell like hot cakes once the Consumer Version is made available |
| 01:41.20 | King_InuYasha | but the problem with the FIC Neo1973 is that it has no camera |
| 01:41.50 | King_InuYasha | the HTC Touch has caught my eye |
| 01:42.02 | King_InuYasha | but i know that one will not be supported in Linux for a long time |
| 01:50.39 | Kevin2 | HTC Touch is omap850. That cpu is a bit slow. |
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| 01:53.55 | Kevin2 | Hrmm The sprint htc touch does have the faster msm7500.. |
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| 05:32.19 | goxboxlive | good morning |
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| 08:22.01 | goxboxlive | cr2: i am building Qtopia source from tonight now. Why did you want the new one? |
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| 08:47.32 | BabelO | morning |
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| 09:43.47 | cr2 | goxboxlive: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-November/011836.html |
| 10:17.23 | goxboxlive | cr2: thx, i recompile .-) |
| 10:30.27 | moby_wan_kenoby | hi, I'm new here, could you give me a link for actual description how to install linux on thc tytn herm-200? |
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| 10:30.56 | moby_wan_kenoby | links from here : http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Universal_Installing_Linux doesnt work |
| 10:31.21 | moby_wan_kenoby | I mean, links from this site for downloading file |
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| 10:34.45 | goxboxlive | moby_wan_kenoby: i dont think you are able to run linx on hermes. It misses drivers |
| 10:38.35 | moby_wan_kenoby | hmm... actually I downloaded and run herm-linux.exe from http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/HTCHermes/, I did it yesterday so I had not so much time to play with this, anyway konsole starts and I could login via telnet from laptop |
| 10:41.32 | goxboxlive | moby_wan_kenoby: ok, i didnt know |
| 10:42.29 | moby_wan_kenoby | so what you think, what I have to do now, after logging? |
| 10:45.08 | goxboxlive | Yes, i know, But the images are for htc universal and not hermes. We hav moved our stuff to linuxtogo. The HOWTO is outdated and should be removed. |
| 10:48.24 | goxboxlive | moby_wan_kenoby: www.linuxtopgo.org~htcpxa |
| 10:48.41 | goxboxlive | http://www.linuxtopgo.org/~htcpxa |
| 10:57.33 | moby_wan_kenoby | ok, I'll try |
| 10:57.55 | moby_wan_kenoby | BTW, Its www.linuxtogo.org |
| 10:58.01 | moby_wan_kenoby | thanks! |
| 11:08.19 | goxboxlive | moby_wan_kenoby: yes i know, i am the maintaining the site :-) |
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| 11:25.20 | moby_wan_kenoby | ok, :) |
| 11:25.53 | moby_wan_kenoby | now I'm thinking how to make ext3 filesystem on the sd card |
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| 11:53.21 | goxboxlive | cr2: done, with cruxus. Do you want the opt folder? |
| 12:13.13 | cr2 | goxboxlive: no, i'm just happy that it builds for you :) i'm not interested in non-free software myself. |
| 12:13.14 | moby_wan_kenoby | yeah, probably the only I can do on my hermes is to get this konsole.... |
| 12:14.16 | cr2 | moby_wan_kenoby: you can't do anything useful with linux on hermes right now. |
| 12:15.04 | moby_wan_kenoby | now I know... :( |
| 12:15.10 | moby_wan_kenoby | anyway, thanks |
| 12:30.34 | goxboxlive | cr2: have you started tpo check out the bugs in the linuxkernel yet for universal. We should fix the wm6 issue |
| 12:31.03 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i need some input from you. |
| 12:32.38 | goxboxlive | cr2: I am not using the new wm6 image. OI am using an old one. Maybe ellisway or someone else who has the problem could help us |
| 12:33.09 | cr2 | ok. |
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| 14:08.23 | dcordes | hi |
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| 18:03.18 | pH5 | cr2: it turns out they've left a note this time. I'll fetch the BA tomorrow in the morning. |
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| 21:15.35 | ellisway | evening all |
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| 21:16.15 | kram92 | hi leutz |
| 21:16.55 | kram92 | habe frage für htc / compact 2 (vodafone) |
| 21:17.22 | pH5 | hey ellisway |
| 21:17.26 | pH5 | kram92: channel language is english |
| 21:17.52 | kram92 | habe mein gerät umgetauscht weils nicht mehr anging, nun habe ich das austausch geraet erhalten und geht als nicht , liegts evtl an der batterie |
| 21:17.54 | kram92 | ? |
| 21:18.08 | ellisway | hi pH5 |
| 21:18.17 | kram92 | sorry did not see the language for this channel,, |
| 21:18.40 | kram92 | question about the htc magician/ vodafone vpa 2 |
| 21:19.18 | kram92 | my mobile was exchanged and now the replacement also does not start up, could the batterie be dead and cause this failure? |
| 21:19.47 | pH5 | kram92: the vodaphone vpa 2 has a keyboard, right? then it is not the htc magician. |
| 21:20.10 | pH5 | kram92: generally, yes, a dead battery could cause the phone not to start up. |
| 21:21.33 | pH5 | I'm not actually sure about the vpa compact 2 (which is = htc wizard, I believe), but I know the magician does not work without the battery. |
| 21:23.38 | kram92 | even if the power cable is hooked up? |
| 21:23.53 | kram92 | sorry ur right wizzard |
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| 21:25.54 | pH5 | kram92: I'm sorry, I can't give you a definitive answer for the wizard. But it is likely. |
| 21:26.17 | pH5 | The magician does not work with power cable inserted without battery. |
| 21:26.32 | pH5 | (on the other hand, some newer devices like the herald do) |
| 21:28.12 | kram92 | thnx for your help, will chk with the sales man again and ask if the batt may be exchanged under warranty |
| 21:28.18 | kram92 | take care all,, |
| 21:28.27 | kram92 | & thnx again |
| 21:29.08 | pH5 | kram92: from googling, this seems to be a common problem |
| 21:29.16 | pH5 | kram92: see for example http://www.asktheadmin.com/2007/06/htc-wizardcingular-8125-dead-battery.html |
| 21:32.27 | kram92 | thnx ph5 |
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| 21:39.22 | kdub432 | is this like htc phone linux development? |
| 21:39.48 | BabelO | kdub432: yes |
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| 21:41.29 | kdub432 | nice. anyway to sync up a mogul to linux yet ;-D |
| 21:42.01 | BabelO | what is mogul ...? |
| 21:43.02 | pH5 | BabelO: afaik it's what sprint calls the titan |
| 21:44.11 | kdub432 | oh, sorry, yeah. the 6800 |
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| 21:44.25 | fleXible | hello guys, how are you going |
| 21:45.24 | BabelO | pH5: ah :) |
| 21:45.27 | ellisway | hmm i no its a tad off topic but does anyone know anything about the motorola a760 ? |
| 21:45.35 | BabelO | kdub432: then not yet, but you can help |
| 21:45.53 | fleXible | I know this not the channel, but I looking for a channel to ask beginners question about developing simple operating system |
| 21:46.47 | kdub432 | BabelO: what's involved in helping? I know how to program.... |
| 21:47.01 | fleXible | or does anyone know a channel about developing linux-like OS for beginners? |
| 21:47.12 | BabelO | kdub432: ask dcordes when he come back |
| 21:47.29 | fleXible | please.....? |
| 21:47.42 | pH5 | fleXible: #openezx? |
| 21:47.49 | BabelO | kdub432: to help you can get haret at handhelds.org and also msm git tree kernel for afterwards |
| 21:48.07 | ellisway | my friend has my old a760 but we are both wondering what we can do with it apart from the montavista distro it comes with |
| 21:48.13 | fleXible | ph5, are you joking, there is nobody |
| 21:48.52 | kdub432 | fleXible: i'm interested in that too. let's look. the closest kernel to linux out there right now is probably hurd... |
| 21:48.56 | pH5 | fleXible: not really. I didn't know, I don't follow #openezx closely. |
| 21:49.34 | fleXible | ph5 I sorry I typed the wrong name |
| 21:49.49 | kdub432 | BabelO: alright |
| 21:51.21 | ellisway | thats probably the right place for me to ask bout the a760 |
| 21:52.07 | kdub432 | do you guys also work on porting linux to htc phone here? that might be an interesting project.... |
| 21:52.34 | fleXible | I have the 3030 type |
| 21:52.53 | fleXible | but it would be nice if I could port it to linux |
| 21:53.52 | fleXible | but the problem is that PocketPC is in the ROM, right? So the Win OS can be removed |
| 21:54.11 | fleXible | I mean can' t |
| 21:54.15 | pH5 | kdub432: this channel is all about porting the linux kernel to different htc phones. |
| 21:54.54 | fleXible | ok, but you can't remove the windose OS |
| 21:55.25 | pH5 | fleXible: why not? |
| 21:55.38 | ellisway | we can once there is full driver support for the doc chips in the devices |
| 21:55.49 | BabelO | kdub432: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones |
| 21:55.49 | fleXible | because it's saved in the ROM, itÅ› embedded in the hardware |
| 21:55.53 | pH5 | there is no such thing as "ROM" in current devices. |
| 21:55.57 | pH5 | it's all flash memory. |
| 21:56.11 | pH5 | NOR flash in older, and mostly NAND flash in new devices. |
| 21:56.28 | fleXible | well FLASH is ROM, or actually EEPROM |
| 21:56.39 | pH5 | rom is "read only memory" |
| 21:56.53 | pH5 | flash is perfectly writeable, it's the same thing that is in sd cards and whatnot |
| 21:57.09 | fleXible | is it possible to overwrite the flash with simple serial port, what if it goes wrong? |
| 21:57.28 | pH5 | fleXible: if it goes wrong, you have a brick. |
| 21:57.43 | fleXible | it woul be safe if you use jtag with the right software |
| 21:57.54 | fleXible | what do you mean by that? |
| 21:58.03 | pH5 | fleXible: unfortunately, only on few devices the jtag pins are known |
| 21:58.04 | fleXible | what is a brick? |
| 21:58.27 | ellisway | a dead device |
| 21:58.27 | pH5 | fleXible: http://catb.org/jargon/html/B/brick.html |
| 21:58.31 | fleXible | oooh ok |
| 21:58.45 | fleXible | well than itÅ› a big risk to do that |
| 21:59.03 | pH5 | fleXible: not really, if you are careful. |
| 21:59.08 | kdub432 | i'd be willing to help with what I can, I'm a second year computer engineering student, and have toyed around with making kernel modules before... |
| 21:59.15 | pH5 | I just bricked a htc magician last weekend, but it was my own stupidity. |
| 21:59.40 | fleXible | you can't guarantee the communication can be perfect |
| 22:00.15 | pH5 | fleXible: the htc bootloader is responsible for writing to the flash, and the protocol is checksumming the data. |
| 22:00.29 | fleXible | I mean what if the received data might be corrupt... |
| 22:00.39 | pH5 | also, as long as you don't overwrite the original bootloader, you can always re-flash. |
| 22:01.08 | fleXible | well if htc designed their system well, than the bootloader should be locked from writing |
| 22:01.24 | pH5 | (In theory, in practice it is a bit more complicated because the new bootloaders need signed uploads and we don't know the keys/algorithms) |
| 22:01.27 | fleXible | overwriting |
| 22:01.48 | fleXible | yes, that makes a bit more difficult |
| 22:02.00 | fleXible | but what type of processor do they use? |
| 22:02.05 | pH5 | fleXible: which one? |
| 22:02.15 | fleXible | for example 3030 |
| 22:02.20 | pH5 | last generation mostly omap850, current gen mostly msm7xxx |
| 22:02.41 | fleXible | hmm no ARM processor |
| 22:02.50 | pH5 | fleXible: to the contrary |
| 22:02.53 | pH5 | all arm |
| 22:03.08 | pH5 | what is 3030? |
| 22:03.43 | fleXible | 3030 a HTC model, pda with GSM, GPS even a small trackball |
| 22:04.06 | fleXible | so they are ARM |
| 22:04.22 | fleXible | so I'm pretty sure they use a standard JTAG |
| 22:04.30 | fleXible | there is like the OpenOCD |
| 22:04.36 | fleXible | an opensource tool |
| 22:05.13 | pH5 | fleXible: I wish I knew which are the jtag pins on my magician's board ;) |
| 22:05.21 | fleXible | All ARM processor use some kind of a standard JTAG interface |
| 22:05.55 | pH5 | fleXible: I don't find any info on 3030. Do you have a link? |
| 22:06.12 | fleXible | well there must be one, because the manufatcurer needs them too, for service pruposes |
| 22:06.33 | fleXible | no, I just mentioned 3030 because I have one |
| 22:06.45 | fleXible | wait, Iĺl show you one |
| 22:07.36 | pH5 | kdub432: we usually start linux ports by running HaRET, which can watch memory accesses and look at ram/register space. it can also be used to stop wince and jump into a linux kernel loaded into ram, but that doesn't work on the msm cpus yet. |
| 22:08.03 | pH5 | (and/or by making a dump of the flash image and disassembling the bootloader) |
| 22:08.07 | fleXible | I'm sorry I mean P3300 |
| 22:08.41 | pH5 | fleXible: ah, ok. that one is the artemis. |
| 22:08.41 | kdub432 | msm CPU's? |
| 22:08.43 | fleXible | Damn that's a lot of work |
| 22:09.02 | fleXible | artemis, what kind of processor is that? |
| 22:09.22 | pH5 | kdub432: The mogul's CPU is a MSM7500. |
| 22:09.26 | pH5 | fleXible: omap850 |
| 22:09.55 | fleXible | ok, is that of ATMEL, Philips, Samsung....? |
| 22:10.13 | pH5 | unfortunately both of those cpus are terribly undocumented (at least no public info). |
| 22:10.20 | fleXible | I'm sorry for stupid questions |
| 22:10.20 | pH5 | OMAP is by TI, MSM is by Qualcomm |
| 22:10.36 | fleXible | damn |
| 22:10.50 | fleXible | I've never heard of Qualcomm |
| 22:11.28 | fleXible | anyway, I can imagine how hard it is to hack those devices |
| 22:12.03 | fleXible | but do you know a channel where to ask beginners-question about developing a OS? |
| 22:12.51 | fleXible | btw I'm working on a ARM too, but with a smaller brother, the ARM7TDI family |
| 22:14.01 | pH5 | fleXible: I think the omap850 has an arm7tdmi in the phone/dsp part. |
| 22:14.31 | pH5 | I don't know any channels about OS development, I'm more interested in the plumbing work to make already-existing linux work on my phones :) |
| 22:14.42 | fleXible | It could be |
| 22:15.30 | fleXible | hahaaha, well I need to develope a bootloader at work, so I need some advices from some diehard hackers :) |
| 22:20.23 | kdub432 | ph5: is the msm processor instruction codes and such an open specification? |
| 22:23.51 | pH5 | kdub432: the instruction set is open spec (armv6, the core is some arm11), but the problem is documentation of the cpu's peripheral registers, also there is some shared memory communication to the arm9 core which controls the clocks. |
| 22:24.18 | pH5 | the closest I know to documentation about those processors is the linux-msm kernel git.android.com |
| 22:26.42 | cr2 | hi |
| 22:26.50 | cr2 | pH5: arm9 controls the clocks ? |
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| 22:30.35 | dcordes | where can I get the latest haret development snaphots? |
| 22:34.05 | Zoolooc | dcordes: do you know of very recent improvements regarding kaiser, Kevin2 might have written? if so I could build yui a fresh haret |
| 22:34.17 | *** part/#htc-linux fleXible (n=AskMe@dhcp-077-249-041-129.chello.nl) |
| 22:34.51 | dcordes | Zoolooc, no I was only short time in the channel and livelogs seem dead |
| 22:35.35 | dcordes | I didn't hear Kevin2 comment on the kaiser boot problem yet |
| 22:36.29 | Zoolooc | neither did I, but I must say I wasn't in the channel lately |
| 22:36.49 | pH5 | cr2: not sure if all of them, not sure which. the ARCH_MSM7X00A help text says that "the ARM9 modem processor ... runs the baseband stack and controls some vital subsystems (clock and power control, etc)." |
| 22:41.18 | dcordes | pH5, would it be useful to pull latest git canges and rebuild? |
| 22:44.05 | *** join/#htc-linux King_InuYasha (n=King@c-75-65-160-138.hsd1.ms.comcast.net) |
| 22:44.20 | pH5 | dcordes: just for the exercise |
| 22:44.27 | King_InuYasha | cr2, you there? |
| 22:48.31 | dcordes | pH5, hm ok. Are there any other news on msm*? |
| 22:49.06 | King_InuYasha | cr2: im just wondering how much work you have left for making the SD driver |
| 22:53.12 | pH5 | dcordes: nay on my count |
| 23:50.50 | *** part/#htc-linux TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 23:59.34 | BabelO | cr2: still around ? |