| 00:00.03 | cr2 | i've patched aticmds for ati power, but don't see anything |
| 00:00.35 | cr2 | ace_ddi.dll uses virtualcopy and has about 10 virtual mappings for the ATI registers ;) |
| 00:00.54 | Kevin2 | I'm not sure what you mean by "don't see anything". |
| 00:01.47 | cr2 | wi |
| 00:02.03 | cr2 | don't see any changes in the registers. |
| 00:02.43 | Kevin2 | Wow, that's weird. Any chance you missed an area of memory from mmutrace? |
| 00:04.35 | cr2 | maybe. i need to check it again. |
| 00:08.22 | cr2 | hm. i can trace only 2 registers. the ringbuffer read pointer, and the ringbuffer status |
| 00:08.40 | Kevin2 | DMA? |
| 00:09.01 | cr2 | yes, internal ati dma |
| 00:11.34 | cr2 | there are also 2 SD related registers: 90c and 910 in the main register block |
| 00:12.09 | cr2 | do you see them on hermes ? i'm tracing on the athena now. |
| 00:13.01 | cr2 | i've identified the SD clock divisor algorithm, but don't understand the math completely. |
| 00:13.59 | cr2 | i have also enumerated all registers and gpios needed to init the ATI chip. |
| 00:14.46 | cr2 | the base SD clock seems to be 80MHz |
| 00:15.24 | cr2 | if you set the 0x100 divisor (impossible, because it's 1byte) then you get |
| 00:16.05 | cr2 | 80000000 Hz/256 = 312500Hz |
| 00:16.23 | cr2 | which is mentioned in the atihwtbl0.txt as a minimal frequency. |
| 00:16.56 | Kevin2 | 006.916 0bc0239c: str r3, [r1], #4 # a=4e08290c v=0000086b |
| 00:16.56 | Kevin2 | 006.916 0bc023a4: str r3, [r1], #4 # a=4e082910 v=00869c40 |
| 00:17.23 | Kevin2 | Hrmm.. No, that looks like just an FB update. |
| 00:17.35 | Kevin2 | So, no - I don't see 90c/910 in any of my old logs. |
| 00:18.28 | cr2 | there is some builtin divisor table, which starts with 0x80, so the real minimal frequency in wince is 625kHz. |
| 00:19.20 | cr2 | Kevin2: +0x80000 is the area where the ringbuffer readptr points here. |
| 00:19.38 | cr2 | it's some data. may be sound, btw. |
| 00:20.37 | cr2 | wince has also 20MHz limit for mmc and 25MHz limit for SD. it's in agreement with the specs. |
| 00:20.40 | Kevin2 | Well, it writes sequentially all the way from a=4e0828cc to a=4e082920 in the capture I have. |
| 00:20.47 | cr2 | same here. |
| 00:20.59 | cr2 | writes or reads ? |
| 00:21.06 | Kevin2 | write |
| 00:21.33 | cr2 | i see the +0x1021c and +0x10140 registers too. |
| 00:21.45 | Kevin2 | I think the capture is just catching something writing to the framebuffer. |
| 00:22.01 | cr2 | ok. |
| 00:22.05 | cr2 | 021.865 0bcbbbf4: e593321c (??) # a=5201021c v=00000c3e |
| 00:22.05 | cr2 | 021.865 0bcbbc14: e5933140 (??) # a=52010140 v=00000110 |
| 00:23.00 | Kevin2 | 006.916 0bba3c00: ldr r3, [r3, #540] # a=4e01021c v=00000a49 |
| 00:23.00 | Kevin2 | 006.916 0bba3c20: ldr r3, [r3, #320] # a=4e010140 v=00000110 |
| 00:23.10 | Kevin2 | I see something similar. |
| 00:23.19 | cr2 | it's the same codebase. |
| 00:23.51 | cr2 | |0140 | mmRBBM_STATUS |
| 00:24.10 | cr2 | |021c | mmCP_RB_RPTR |
| 00:24.39 | cr2 | ok, so the minimal divisor for SD is 4. |
| 00:24.53 | cr2 | 80/4=20MHz |
| 00:25.01 | cr2 | 80/3=26.6MHz |
| 00:25.20 | cr2 | which exceeds the value for SD. |
| 00:25.30 | cr2 | 20MHz is ok for MMC too. |
| 00:25.54 | cr2 | so it actually a bit underclocked for SD. |
| 00:26.18 | cr2 | maybe the good cards can live with 26.6 :) |
| 00:26.55 | cr2 | i think that the 90c and 910 registers are included in the speed negotiation. |
| 00:27.58 | cr2 | Kevin2: if you insert the card, what is written into the +0x2044 SD register ? |
| 00:28.18 | cr2 | it should be the clock divisor. |
| 00:28.45 | Kevin2 | I'll have to check - hold on. |
| 00:29.32 | cr2 | sorry. 2048 |
| 00:29.49 | cr2 | 2044 is the interrupt mask |
| 00:30.32 | cr2 | e19230b3(ldrh) 50202040 00000300 |
| 00:30.42 | cr2 | e1c230b0(strh) 50202040 00000304 |
| 00:30.57 | cr2 | don't see anything else. |
| 00:32.17 | cr2 | no. |
| 00:33.22 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. You want to see 2048 or 2040? |
| 00:33.31 | cr2 | hm. it starts with 0x80 |
| 00:33.35 | cr2 | the 2048 |
| 00:33.45 | cr2 | 0x80 is the minimal speed. |
| 00:34.04 | cr2 | but then it runs with 2 ? |
| 00:34.17 | Kevin2 | It seems to vary. |
| 00:34.24 | Kevin2 | On card eject I get -- 010.961 0924b7c4: strh r0, [r3, #72] # a=4c202048 v=00000080 |
| 00:34.35 | cr2 | is my miniSD card so good that it can run at 40MHz ?? |
| 00:34.40 | cr2 | 0x80 is ok. |
| 00:35.19 | Kevin2 | On card insert I see writes of 0x80, 0x180, 0x2, 0x102 |
| 00:35.32 | cr2 | what other values are written ? |
| 00:35.36 | cr2 | yes, it's the same. |
| 00:35.50 | cr2 | 0x100 bit is 'clock enable' |
| 00:36.12 | cr2 | the lower byte is related to the clock divisor. |
| 00:36.32 | cr2 | well, is the divisor itself. imho. |
| 00:36.53 | Kevin2 | I've improved the documentation at: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/initramfs-installer/ |
| 00:36.59 | Kevin2 | Now I need to update the apache wiki. |
| 00:37.20 | Kevin2 | It's a shame that I don't have a good place to host custom apache distro builds. |
| 00:37.39 | Kevin2 | I can put them on the handhelds.org server, but that seems to be pretty slow when downloading 15MiB files. |
| 00:37.49 | cr2 | Kevin2: do you see any other changes in the control register block ? hermes does the screen rotation ? |
| 00:38.06 | cr2 | Kevin2: linuxtogo where goxboxlive stores his files ? |
| 00:38.26 | Kevin2 | cr2: I'm not sure what you're asking me. Do you want me to watch during a screen rotation? |
| 00:38.33 | cr2 | yes. |
| 00:39.25 | Kevin2 | I get a shitload of traps. I'm watching all the ati ranges though - I'm pretty sure I'm seeing fb updates. |
| 00:39.52 | Kevin2 | Handled 10927 irq, 81825 abort, 22047 prefetch, 0 lost, 0 errors |
| 00:40.02 | cr2 | ok, how can you mask them out ? |
| 00:40.19 | Kevin2 | Do you have a specific range you want me to watch? |
| 00:41.04 | cr2 | yes, the control registers http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ATIWxxxx |
| 00:41.41 | cr2 | there are about 3 pages |
| 00:41.56 | cr2 | +0x10000 -> 0x13000 |
| 00:43.13 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. That is going to be difficult, because I don't know which (of the many) virtual mappings it may be using. |
| 00:43.46 | cr2 | yes ;) |
| 00:46.24 | cr2 | Kevin2: btw, what python file should i patch to decode the SD reg names if i know the mapping used ? |
| 00:47.03 | cr2 | i can sed them later, but it's not nice . |
| 00:47.40 | Kevin2 | Do you want to "watch" the registers? Or is this for mmutrace? The python program doesn't currently support decoding mmutrace (though it could be added). |
| 00:48.00 | cr2 | mmutrace |
| 00:48.03 | cr2 | ok. |
| 00:49.26 | Kevin2 | Okay - I dropped 0x4e080000 - 0x4e100000 from mmutrace and have a clean capture. Do you want it? |
| 00:50.23 | Kevin2 | http://pastebin.ca/777814 |
| 00:50.25 | cr2 | yes. |
| 00:50.28 | cr2 | thanks, |
| 00:51.18 | cr2 | ok, but these are the 2 ringbuffer registers ? |
| 00:51.54 | Kevin2 | Well, I don't see any writes to them - only reads. |
| 00:52.10 | cr2 | hm, so the screen rotation does not change all other settings. |
| 01:17.06 | cr2 | Kevin2: one more wish. |
| 01:17.23 | cr2 | are you tracing over wifi ? |
| 01:20.11 | Kevin2 | cr2: yes. |
| 01:20.53 | cr2 | do you see the wifi data sent over s3c2442 SDIO ? |
| 01:22.47 | cr2 | 000.000 03c3e2a4: e58e4030 (??) # a=af100030 v=00000035 |
| 01:22.51 | Kevin2 | I can check. |
| 01:22.55 | cr2 | 30 is MMC_CMD |
| 01:23.03 | cr2 | and 35 is CMD53 |
| 01:23.31 | cr2 | here on pxa270 |
| 01:24.11 | cr2 | CMD53 is IO_RW_EXTENDED |
| 01:24.19 | cr2 | the SDIO workhorse . |
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| 01:26.07 | st_lim | hi |
| 01:26.21 | st_lim | I just installed OPIE2 on my HTC universal, |
| 01:26.32 | st_lim | but I dun know how to get out of the phone screen |
| 01:26.47 | st_lim | there seems to be no buttons to press. |
| 01:27.09 | Kevin2 | cr2: addlist mmutrace p2v(0x5a000000) 0x100 -- it certainly looks like a feedback loop from wifi. |
| 01:27.40 | cr2 | Kevin2: i don't know the SDIO controller details on S3C. need to check the manual. |
| 01:27.56 | cr2 | st_lim: which phone screen ? |
| 01:28.21 | st_lim | the phone app on qtopia/OPIE2 |
| 01:29.23 | cr2 | st_lim: sorry, i've never really used the phone app on opie2. |
| 01:30.42 | cr2 | Kevin2: the +4 reg is clock prescaler. |
| 01:31.09 | st_lim | so which gui do you advise I use for htc-universal |
| 01:32.09 | cr2 | Kevin2: +8 is command ? |
| 01:32.28 | cr2 | st_lim: opie2 is actually the only one if you want to run the phone. |
| 01:33.01 | Kevin2 | cr2: Yes. |
| 01:33.28 | cr2 | st_lim: it seems that i need to test the phone app myself. but i need to find the papers with my PIN number first ; |
| 01:33.51 | st_lim | haha. :) |
| 01:33.52 | cr2 | Kevin2: do you get the 0x35 command too ? |
| 01:34.34 | cr2 | st_lim: yes, i don't remember my pin number :) use the device only for hacking, and not using as a phone. |
| 01:34.58 | st_lim | I want to use opie 2, because according to http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus, it's the only one that can do phone AND sms. :) |
| 01:35.10 | cr2 | st_lim: and since it's net-locked, i can't use another card. |
| 01:35.15 | cr2 | st_lim: yes. |
| 01:35.19 | st_lim | cool. |
| 01:35.32 | st_lim | I'll hang around to wait for your replies.. |
| 01:35.58 | cr2 | not today, i'm going to be now ;) |
| 01:36.39 | cr2 | good night. |
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| 01:39.09 | Kevin2 | cr2: I get too much data to look through it. |
| 01:39.15 | Kevin2 | cr2: good night. |
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| 13:30.03 | dcordes | Is the kaiser display known yet? |
| 13:41.59 | st_lim | Does anyone know how to install xqt on opie?? |
| 13:42.07 | st_lim | I'm running htcuniversal |
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| 13:46.01 | st_lim | how to install openmoko-dialer on htcuniversal in opie? |
| 13:46.14 | dcordes | st_lim, you can't |
| 13:46.31 | dcordes | om dialer is gtk |
| 13:46.46 | dcordes | need to install x11 image |
| 13:46.55 | dcordes | try out openmoko-image dude |
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| 13:58.00 | goxboxlive | st_lim: : U have to use xqt2 |
| 13:58.26 | goxboxlive | And i havent tested with openmoko-dialer2, only openmoko-dialer. And it ran successfully |
| 13:58.56 | st_lim | how do I install xqt2?? |
| 13:59.07 | st_lim | I cannot install openmoko-dialer |
| 13:59.13 | goxboxlive | It's just to run 'ipkg update && ipkg install xqt2 && ipkg install openmoko-dialer |
| 13:59.38 | st_lim | ipkg install xqt2 |
| 13:59.38 | st_lim | Nothing to be done |
| 13:59.38 | st_lim | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
| 13:59.38 | st_lim | Collected errors: |
| 13:59.38 | st_lim | Cannot find package xqt2. |
| 13:59.39 | st_lim | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 14:00.02 | PITABoy | what is the difference between openmoko dialer and openmomo dialer2 |
| 14:00.04 | goxboxlive | st_lim: then xqt2 isent in the repo |
| 14:00.16 | goxboxlive | PITABoy: new version |
| 14:00.24 | goxboxlive | new layout |
| 14:00.33 | st_lim | src/gz no-arch http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/all |
| 14:00.33 | st_lim | src/gz base http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/base |
| 14:00.33 | st_lim | src/gz perl http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/perl |
| 14:00.34 | st_lim | src/gz python http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/python |
| 14:00.34 | st_lim | src/gz debug http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/debug |
| 14:00.34 | st_lim | src/gz gstreamer http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/gstreamer |
| 14:00.36 | st_lim | src/gz htcuniversal http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv5te/machine/htcuniversal |
| 14:00.52 | goxboxlive | st_lim: dont spam, use pastebin.ca or something |
| 14:01.02 | st_lim | sorry... |
| 14:01.06 | PITABoy | do you have a screenshit |
| 14:01.13 | PITABoy | shot* |
| 14:01.15 | goxboxlive | st_lim: angstrom desnt support opie so you have to build it yourself |
| 14:01.26 | st_lim | those are the sources from my installation of opie... |
| 14:01.31 | goxboxlive | or maybe my opie image is suplied with it, i dont remember |
| 14:01.37 | st_lim | if I want to get your copy of opie?? |
| 14:01.41 | st_lim | where do I get your opie?? |
| 14:01.57 | goxboxlive | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/ |
| 14:02.16 | st_lim | that's the one I got... |
| 14:02.36 | goxboxlive | Ok, i dont remember if i added xqt2 to it or not. |
| 14:02.41 | st_lim | I just did a ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
| 14:02.47 | st_lim | and there's no xqt2. :) |
| 14:02.58 | st_lim | haha!! Got the fella. |
| 14:03.03 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 14:03.18 | st_lim | your opie2 build has one minor problem... |
| 14:03.48 | goxboxlive | not minor, major, its an alpfa version |
| 14:03.49 | st_lim | I wanted to use it because according to handhelds.org (hh.org - rite?) that's the only env with phone and sms working... |
| 14:04.06 | st_lim | ?? |
| 14:04.29 | goxboxlive | st_lim: yes. Openmoko supports only phone at the moment |
| 14:04.44 | dcordes | PITABoy, 2 is much quicker |
| 14:05.00 | st_lim | so my problem with qtopia/opie2 is that once I get into the phone application, I cannot get out?? |
| 14:05.32 | st_lim | any idea?? |
| 14:05.40 | goxboxlive | st_lim: do you have a sim instrted |
| 14:05.40 | st_lim | there is no button to press to get out... |
| 14:05.53 | goxboxlive | u can use * think |
| 14:05.56 | st_lim | Even with a SIM in, the phone reports "no network" |
| 14:06.20 | goxboxlive | no it's a security option in Qtopia, no sim or pin then its locked |
| 14:06.37 | goxboxlive | ok, maybe your sim isent supported |
| 14:06.52 | st_lim | how to fix that then?? |
| 14:06.59 | st_lim | that's strange?? |
| 14:07.07 | goxboxlive | no idea, i dont have the same problem my self,. |
| 14:08.11 | goxboxlive | st_lim: wich radio version do you use? |
| 14:08.14 | goxboxlive | 1.18? |
| 14:08.28 | st_lim | I think it's 1.19... |
| 14:08.38 | st_lim | wait... I'll reboot the machine and check... |
| 14:08.44 | goxboxlive | ok, then i guess thats why then. I am using 1.,15 |
| 14:09.39 | st_lim | which firmware should I flash the universal to?? |
| 14:10.24 | goxboxlive | i dont know. i am using wm6 (pdaviet early version) and radio 1.15 |
| 14:10.37 | st_lim | wm6 oic.... |
| 14:11.17 | st_lim | and your preferred build/env for universal is ?? |
| 14:11.23 | st_lim | which wm6 are you using?? |
| 14:11.58 | goxboxlive | i dont know, how do i check that |
| 14:13.04 | st_lim | wait... |
| 14:14.09 | st_lim | Settings->System->Device Information |
| 14:14.32 | st_lim | Hey... my radio is 1.15 |
| 14:14.56 | st_lim | my rom is 1.30.111 |
| 14:15.20 | goxboxlive | ok have to reboot then |
| 14:16.19 | goxboxlive | 2.10.08 |
| 14:16.26 | goxboxlive | 42.51.p8 |
| 14:16.35 | goxboxlive | 1.15 |
| 14:16.47 | st_lim | 2.10.08 is?? |
| 14:16.47 | goxboxlive | pu10 48 |
| 14:16.49 | goxboxlive | G |
| 14:17.03 | st_lim | which wm6 rom did you use?? |
| 14:17.18 | goxboxlive | i dont know,pdaviet something |
| 14:17.41 | st_lim | but radio is 1.15 rite?? |
| 14:17.52 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 14:18.10 | st_lim | your network is running but mine is not... |
| 14:18.12 | st_lim | hmmm... |
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| 14:18.50 | goxboxlive | st_lim: you are not the only one who have trouble with it. Mine is working fine (btw i dont use pin code) |
| 14:18.57 | goxboxlive | I can try that too, hold on |
| 14:19.27 | st_lim | I have a pin code... |
| 14:19.39 | st_lim | the pin code is set by default by the phone operator... |
| 14:19.47 | st_lim | how do I change it or activate it?? |
| 14:19.56 | goxboxlive | ROM=2.10.08 PV ROM DATE= 05/30/07 |
| 14:20.10 | goxboxlive | in phone under wince |
| 14:20.38 | st_lim | searching for it on forum.xda-developers.com |
| 14:20.55 | goxboxlive | In wince > phone->menu |
| 14:21.28 | st_lim | ok... |
| 14:24.30 | goxboxlive | st_lim: when i have pin enabled mine is neither working |
| 14:24.45 | st_lim | how to switch the pin off?? |
| 14:24.54 | goxboxlive | In wince > phone->menu |
| 14:25.03 | st_lim | ahh... |
| 14:25.31 | st_lim | will switch that off... |
| 14:25.36 | st_lim | and try qtopia again... |
| 14:25.40 | st_lim | wow... |
| 14:25.50 | st_lim | that really feels like a great relief... |
| 14:26.16 | st_lim | but well, opie1 does not have the xqt2 and openmoko-dialer at the moment. |
| 14:26.54 | goxboxlive | I'll test disable pin again |
| 14:27.12 | st_lim | cool... |
| 14:27.19 | st_lim | thank you... :) |
| 14:28.02 | st_lim | disable pin means disabling the pin lock?? |
| 14:28.16 | st_lim | the default pin is set on my sim, but the sim is not locked... |
| 14:31.48 | goxboxlive | Yes disable the pin code |
| 14:31.56 | goxboxlive | Yes, now phone is working |
| 14:32.49 | st_lim | but my sim is not locked... :) |
| 14:33.02 | st_lim | I'm using another phone at the moment... |
| 14:33.05 | goxboxlive | st_lim: no i am not talking a about a locked sim |
| 14:33.33 | goxboxlive | i am talking about the pin code you enter when you boot your phone. Disable it and the phone will probably work in linux |
| 14:34.13 | st_lim | that's locking the sim... :) |
| 14:34.32 | st_lim | my phone network operator issues me sim cards with a default pin 1234 |
| 14:34.49 | st_lim | without the phone/sim lock. |
| 14:34.59 | st_lim | so when I boot up any phone with the sim, it just works... |
| 14:35.23 | st_lim | no pin required... |
| 14:35.44 | st_lim | if I lock the sim, and take the sim to any other phone, I will need to key in the pin correct?? |
| 14:51.08 | st_lim | ?? |
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| 14:52.53 | st_lim | you still there?? goxboxlive?? |
| 14:56.14 | goxboxlive | st_lim: yes i am here |
| 15:10.11 | st_lim | sorry... |
| 15:10.27 | st_lim | trying to flash my rom to latest wince rom... |
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| 16:07.59 | st_lim | I can't get winxp guest on linux vmware to activesync to universal |
| 16:24.45 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Hey - I've updated the instructions for an apache linux install at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux |
| 16:25.02 | Kevin2 | I think something similar could be done for other phones. |
| 16:28.25 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: yes, that looks easy for users who want to run linux. I tried to compile busybox yesterday, but failes compiling. Do i have to use uclibc? |
| 16:29.36 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: I think you do. However, you should be able to use the precompiled busybox I put up on the site. |
| 16:29.58 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: ok, i try that h |
| 16:29.58 | Kevin2 | For that matter, I think you should be able to use the prebuilt rootfs.cgz I put online. |
| 16:30.17 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:31.18 | Kevin2 | Oh, you may want to regrab the files at http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/initramfs-installer/ -- I updated the documentation in them. |
| 16:45.30 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: why do you use this in dafault.txt? root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 |
| 16:50.08 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Good point - it's just stale as the root is ignored when using an initramfs. I'll push a new version up. |
| 16:50.36 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 16:57.10 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: kernel panic, Please append a correct root= |
| 16:57.51 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Does your kernel have support for initrd / initramfs? Did you build a haret/initramfs/kernel combo? |
| 16:58.50 | goxboxlive | i didnt have support for initranfs in my kernel. I'll compile a new kernel. |
| 16:59.05 | goxboxlive | Yes i build a combo |
| 16:59.35 | Kevin2 | Yeah, make sure CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD is true. |
| 17:01.03 | Kevin2 | Oh, your kernel must also have vfat, ext2, and loop drivers compiled in. |
| 17:03.07 | goxboxlive | it was supported. Building a new kernel now. Doesnt it matther what the name of the image is? Like your gpe image , do i have to choose a special name for it? |
| 17:03.25 | goxboxlive | How do it know wich GUI image to install? |
| 17:11.55 | goxboxlive | Ok, i figured that out. |
| 17:12.06 | goxboxlive | But it failes mounting my sdcard |
| 17:12.34 | goxboxlive | I formated the sdcard as fat16, isent that good enough? Do i have to use fat32 |
| 17:14.09 | PITABoy | i use fat32 |
| 17:14.19 | goxboxlive | PITABoy: ok, i'll try that then |
| 17:14.22 | PITABoy | and it works fine |
| 17:14.36 | dcordes | Hey ppl. Just ordered kaiser |
| 17:14.36 | goxboxlive | PITABoy: what device do you use? |
| 17:14.52 | PITABoy | bout time ;-) |
| 17:15.01 | dcordes | Zoolooc, kaiser lobby just got bigger;) |
| 17:15.16 | PITABoy | too bad the titan is better |
| 17:15.25 | PITABoy | jk |
| 17:15.28 | dcordes | :P |
| 17:15.45 | dcordes | titan sucks. Did you boot any kernel yet? |
| 17:15.57 | PITABoy | not sucessfully |
| 17:16.04 | dcordes | getting oopses? |
| 17:16.06 | PITABoy | did the kaiser boot a kernel ? |
| 17:16.13 | dcordes | no idea. Ask Zoolooc |
| 17:16.26 | PITABoy | kaiser sucks because it is gsm |
| 17:16.34 | dcordes | heh :) no network wars please |
| 17:16.46 | PITABoy | CDMA rocks |
| 17:16.53 | PITABoy | network war it is on now |
| 17:17.36 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Hrmm. Can you run fdisk on your sd card? Does the partition show up as p1 or something else? |
| 17:17.52 | dcordes | mmcblk0p1 |
| 17:18.17 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: no, fdisk wasent supported |
| 17:19.33 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. How did you format the card as fat16 then? |
| 17:19.33 | dcordes | PITABoy, did you explorer every ram register stuff you can, yet? |
| 17:19.37 | PITABoy | afaik |
| 17:20.11 | dcordes | PITABoy, what kernel did you boot? 2.6.24 with goggle patches? |
| 17:20.17 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: on my computer |
| 17:20.18 | PITABoy | I have the following sram, dram, lsmod (of winmobile), memory dum[ |
| 17:20.26 | PITABoy | 2.6.23 |
| 17:20.47 | PITABoy | but nothing works |
| 17:20.58 | dcordes | PITABoy, do you use current haret mainline? |
| 17:21.00 | PITABoy | haret just locks device |
| 17:21.06 | PITABoy | yes |
| 17:21.13 | dcordes | what do you mean, haret locks device? |
| 17:21.32 | PITABoy | what is cool tho is that when haret locks the device whatever it was doing it continues to de |
| 17:21.40 | goxboxlive | hmm fat32 didnt help either |
| 17:21.51 | PITABoy | aka bt continues to transmit wifi still transmits |
| 17:22.02 | PITABoy | usb continues to transmit |
| 17:22.04 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: When I put the mini-sd card into my computer I see: Nov 17 12:21:27 double kernel: sdb: sdb1 |
| 17:22.08 | Kevin2 | in my /var/log/messges |
| 17:22.11 | Kevin2 | What do you see? |
| 17:22.14 | PITABoy | brb |
| 17:22.20 | dcordes | PITABoy, can you communicate with the titan after it "locks up" ? |
| 17:22.41 | dcordes | I think it's normal that you can't get back to wince after kernel oops |
| 17:22.58 | PITABoy | kindof not really it is hard to explain |
| 17:23.09 | dcordes | I experienced that same behaviour with htc prophet and wizard kernel (or was it magician kernel? the other omap850-device one) |
| 17:23.12 | PITABoy | everything sees it but can not talk to it |
| 17:23.28 | goxboxlive | Disk /dev/sdc: 125 MB, 125698048 bytes |
| 17:23.28 | goxboxlive | 4 heads, 60 sectors/track, 1022 cylinders |
| 17:23.28 | goxboxlive | Units = cylinders of 240 * 512 = 122880 bytes |
| 17:23.28 | goxboxlive | Disk identifier: 0x08799cce |
| 17:23.28 | goxboxlive | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.30 | goxboxlive | /dev/sdc1 1 1022 122610 b W95 FAT32 |
| 17:23.47 | PITABoy | so my router/ wifi tools see the mac as active but cannot ping as there is no IP |
| 17:24.02 | PITABoy | the usb is active but no drivers for it |
| 17:24.04 | dcordes | PITABoy, so bt continues to advertise it's service. You could catch 802.11g packages with airodump if you're that curious about it |
| 17:24.35 | dcordes | do you see init loading? |
| 17:24.45 | PITABoy | the bt is also active advertising as mogul but I dont have bt on anything but my tomtom so I cant hack it |
| 17:24.46 | dcordes | bootup messages? |
| 17:24.52 | PITABoy | no messages |
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| 17:24.58 | PITABoy | because no LCD driver |
| 17:25.00 | PITABoy | brb |
| 17:25.05 | dcordes | oh. so you just hit the haret load button and it dies? |
| 17:25.19 | dcordes | ah no lcd. I see. Can't you check for boot progress via telnet? |
| 17:25.33 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Okay - what does the kernel report on the universal when you run the haret bundle? |
| 17:25.37 | PITABoy | not sure |
| 17:25.57 | dcordes | Kevin2, can you see boot messages via telnet with haret? |
| 17:26.08 | dcordes | eg when no diplay driver is present? |
| 17:26.15 | PITABoy | when booting from telnet I do a mtype1463 |
| 17:26.20 | PITABoy | kernel zImage |
| 17:26.23 | PITABoy | boot |
| 17:26.28 | PITABoy | and it locks |
| 17:26.29 | Kevin2 | dcordes: You can see the first couple - but most of the important part you can't see. |
| 17:26.37 | dcordes | Ah ok |
| 17:26.47 | Kevin2 | Once haret takes control from wince, it can't use sockets anymore. |
| 17:26.50 | PITABoy | maybe there is a way to get it to spit it out |
| 17:27.03 | PITABoy | yeah so the answer is no |
| 17:27.33 | dcordes | Kevin2, do you have any idea why PITABoy can scan for his titan's bluetooth device and wifi after the kernel oopses? |
| 17:27.47 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: seems like it skips rootdelay |
| 17:28.12 | goxboxlive | We have this problem on universal that we need rootdelay to let the sd card mount |
| 17:28.46 | dcordes | PITABoy, do you have some IM so we can continue low knowledge conversation apart from this channel? |
| 17:28.46 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Did you build your own rootfs.cgz? If so, can you add a "sleep 1" to the start of init.sh and rebuild? |
| 17:29.12 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: no, i used your rootfs.cgz |
| 17:29.14 | Kevin2 | If not, I'll rebuild one for you. |
| 17:29.17 | Kevin2 | Okay. One sec. |
| 17:29.19 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 17:29.34 | dcordes | goxboxlive, what kind of image type is .cgz? |
| 17:29.40 | dcordes | compression format? |
| 17:29.56 | goxboxlive | isent it a compressed initramfs image |
| 17:30.02 | goxboxlive | gziped |
| 17:30.26 | dcordes | I only know gz rootfs as rootfs.gz ^^ or rootfs.tar.gz |
| 17:30.37 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Yes. I've pushed a new rootfs.cgz up. |
| 17:30.52 | Kevin2 | dcordes: It is a rootfs.cpio.gz |
| 17:31.08 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 17:31.18 | PITABoy | dcordes join #titanux |
| 17:32.28 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Oops, I need to rebuild it again. |
| 17:33.37 | goxboxlive | yes you do :-) |
| 17:34.45 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Okay - pull now. :-) |
| 17:36.00 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: now it's working |
| 17:36.12 | goxboxlive | creating a 10Meg root file |
| 17:36.15 | goxboxlive | 100 |
| 17:37.24 | Kevin2 | Cool. The only pain with this, is that you have to match the kernel in the boot bundle with the modules in the rootfs.tar.bz2 file. |
| 17:38.10 | Kevin2 | It would be really cool if we could have a script take the kernel from the rootfs.tar.bz2 and make a new haret boot bundle with the result. |
| 17:38.17 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: yes but thats normal isent it like we have done it before. |
| 17:38.46 | goxboxlive | So it actually boots your initramfs and the boots my linux image, right? |
| 17:39.44 | Kevin2 | The boot bundle would always need to be universal specific. It would be nice if it didn't have to be distro version specific. |
| 17:39.58 | goxboxlive | I shoudl also have landscape mode in the root.cgz instaed of portrait |
| 17:40.30 | Kevin2 | You should be able to modify that by altering the default.txt file. |
| 17:40.51 | Kevin2 | set CMDLINE "console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1" |
| 17:41.01 | dcordes | in angstrom I can set this with /etc/X11/Xserver (I think) |
| 17:41.20 | dcordes | Kevin2, bootprefix? |
| 17:42.52 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Huh? |
| 17:43.25 | dcordes | I was thinking goxboxlive wanted to set X11 screen rotation.. sorry |
| 17:45.04 | Kevin2 | dcordes: You can put the kernel console in landscape mode by adding "fbcon=rotate:1" to the kernel boot parameters. It doesn't affect X though. |
| 17:45.51 | dcordes | Kevin2, I see. Where do you set those boot parameters (in haret or how is goxboxlive booting) ? |
| 17:46.12 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: i have that in my startup.txt. Does it have to be default.txt now? |
| 17:47.00 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: When you built the boot bundle, you used somethine like: ./tools/make-bootbundle.py -o my-installer.exe out/haret.exe /path/to/zImage /path/to/rootfs.cgz /path/to/default.txt |
| 17:47.17 | Kevin2 | It needs to be in the /path/to/default.txt file. But you can call the file anything you want. |
| 17:47.52 | Kevin2 | dcordes: You set it in haret using the CMDLINE variable - for example: set CMDLINE "console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1" |
| 17:47.53 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: right, but i used the name startup.txt instead of defult.txt. I also have fbcon=.... in it |
| 17:48.31 | dcordes | Kevin2, ah ok. So you can set this in the bootscript or when you launch init via telnet remotely, right? |
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| 17:49.36 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Do you have CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_ROTATION enabled? |
| 17:49.51 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: i really liked this way of booting linux on a device. I think it will be really helpfull for a lot of people. Great work. |
| 17:49.58 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: yes |
| 17:50.44 | goxboxlive | Dont you remember it didnt wanted to take my rootdelay either. I also have that in my startup.txt |
| 17:50.44 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Okay - that's odd. Is it possible universal is in landscape mode by default, and you're rotating it out of landscape mode? I don't now. |
| 17:51.28 | Kevin2 | I don't think rootdelay is honored when booting from an initramfs. |
| 17:52.27 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: BTW, thanks. I'm hopeful this will bring in more users and developers. |
| 17:52.57 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 17:53.01 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:54.40 | Kevin2 | dcordes: Yes. |
| 17:55.29 | dcordes | are those parameters you set as CMDLINE same ones as you would use in grub configuration? |
| 17:55.39 | Kevin2 | Yes. |
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| 18:00.52 | cr2 | hi |
| 18:01.16 | Kevin2 | Hi cr2 |
| 18:01.48 | cr2 | Kevin2: the ATI SD clock changes are accompanied by the 90c and 910 changes. |
| 18:02.25 | cr2 | the 90c and 910 are also linked to the SD irq handler |
| 18:02.48 | cr2 | i'm surprised that you don't see any changes in these regs. |
| 18:03.04 | cr2 | i'll try to look at the hermes SDHC driver. |
| 18:03.12 | dcordes | hi cr2 |
| 18:03.17 | cr2 | hi dcordes |
| 18:04.19 | dcordes | cr2, ordered kaiser |
| 18:05.46 | cr2 | dcordes: ok :) |
| 18:07.38 | dcordes | cr2, did you think about some msm device yet? |
| 18:09.41 | cr2 | dcordes: they are expensive, and i'd like to finish ATI and other things. but i'm happy that we have some big overlap with android kernel on msm7x00 |
| 18:10.28 | dcordes | cr2, they have the cpu docs right? |
| 18:11.40 | cr2 | yes. |
| 18:11.58 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: i also think we should delete the rootfs.tar.bz2 file after it is installed. VCould that be done somehow? |
| 18:12.36 | Zoolooc | hello folks, did I miss something important? |
| 18:12.42 | goxboxlive | cr2: Kevin2 has made a real nOOb installer for linux. |
| 18:12.45 | cr2 | dcordes: i suspect that their "accelerated" video and audio will be binary modules. |
| 18:12.46 | dcordes | Zoolooc, yep I ordered kaiser. |
| 18:12.57 | cr2 | goxboxlive: may i test it :) |
| 18:13.11 | Zoolooc | alright, welcome to the club dcordes |
| 18:13.17 | dcordes | thanks :) |
| 18:13.34 | dcordes | cr2, are video and audio in the msm completely new chipsets or is it something convetional? |
| 18:13.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: of course, i'll upload it after testing it myself. But first you have to make a vfat partition on your sd card. Bigger that 128MB |
| 18:13.58 | cr2 | dcordes: they are inside the CPU. |
| 18:14.16 | dcordes | I see. So some new and by qualcom developed stuff? |
| 18:14.31 | cr2 | goxboxlive: that's evil :) |
| 18:14.47 | dcordes | Although the modules of our google friends will propably be in binary, can't we still use them? |
| 18:15.00 | dcordes | can as in 'would it be possible' |
| 18:15.09 | cr2 | dcordes: yes. they tell you something about "imageon technology", whatever that is . |
| 18:15.10 | goxboxlive | cr2: it creates a 100MB *img file |
| 18:15.23 | dcordes | ok |
| 18:15.24 | Zoolooc | why is titan better? because of 64MB less, or because of lacking GPS ;) ? |
| 18:15.38 | dcordes | Zoolooc, heh phone wars. |
| 18:15.42 | cr2 | Zoolooc: titan is US-only. |
| 18:15.53 | Zoolooc | thanks God |
| 18:16.28 | cr2 | i don't know any place in EU where you can use CDMA. |
| 18:16.39 | PITABoy | CDMA is much better |
| 18:16.45 | cr2 | lol |
| 18:16.52 | dcordes | propably make your own base station or whatever that's called in english |
| 18:17.00 | dcordes | including backbone |
| 18:17.07 | PITABoy | EU just had gsm first and it was too expensive to switch overt |
| 18:17.08 | cr2 | PITABoy: we have WCDMA for that. |
| 18:17.26 | PITABoy | what is wcdma |
| 18:17.29 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Sure we could delete the file. It may be a big download for some users though. Wouldn't want them to have to download the whole thing over again if they want to reset from scratch. |
| 18:17.36 | cr2 | aka UMTS/HSDPA and so on. |
| 18:17.37 | Zoolooc | really, I was tempted by eten X500+ or the successor, X800, but they just can't get it that 64MB of RAM is just too less |
| 18:18.19 | PITABoy | Rev A is the best of all |
| 18:18.23 | dcordes | cr2, so could we use the halibutt binary modules? |
| 18:18.32 | dcordes | in case they will really become bianry? |
| 18:19.14 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: yes but i think most of the people will download it to their computer first. |
| 18:20.09 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: What's the gain in deleting it? Couldn't we just document that they can remove it afterwords? |
| 18:20.21 | cr2 | dcordes: i think yes. |
| 18:20.30 | dcordes | cool |
| 18:20.30 | cr2 | dcordes: for the binary modules there is IDA. |
| 18:20.56 | dcordes | so we just lay back and see how they get forward and test a kernel here and now? ^^ |
| 18:21.01 | cr2 | imhvo binary modules for linux was the most silly idea in the linux kernel development. |
| 18:21.02 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: to free up some space, yes we can inform them about it |
| 18:21.28 | dcordes | cr2, I welcome it in such case |
| 18:21.36 | dcordes | maybe someday the sources will leek |
| 18:22.11 | cr2 | dcordes: from the experience, it's more difficult to RE linux binary drivers than wince binary drivers. |
| 18:22.53 | cr2 | maybe because they are wirtten by more competent people, so the .asm looks more ugly ;-) |
| 18:23.09 | dcordes | cr2, that sounds completely odd for somebody of my knowledge |
| 18:23.47 | cr2 | dcordes: but it's better to have a binary module, than to have no docs. |
| 18:24.00 | cr2 | at least you have a starting point. |
| 18:24.05 | dcordes | yea ^^ |
| 18:24.33 | dcordes | will we _need_ that imageon video device in order to make the displays show up anything? |
| 18:24.41 | cr2 | no. |
| 18:24.51 | dcordes | or just for 'direct redering' or whatever that imageon video thing does |
| 18:24.51 | dcordes | ok |
| 18:24.56 | cr2 | that's what i'm trying to do on atiw228x now. |
| 18:25.08 | cr2 | init the registers after the wakeup |
| 18:25.18 | Zoolooc | why wouldn't "they" provide binary modules with a layer which has to be compiles, just like nvidia does for PCs? would be fine for most users |
| 18:25.34 | cr2 | often without knowing what they really do. |
| 18:26.06 | Zoolooc | you mean, the users? |
| 18:26.14 | cr2 | and then writing to the FB ram. |
| 18:26.26 | cr2 | Zoolooc: that's exactly the reason why i hate linux. |
| 18:26.47 | Zoolooc | they don't know and don't care but having their hardware run, even on linux |
| 18:26.48 | dcordes | don't be hatin ^^ |
| 18:27.05 | cr2 | can i use this nvidia stuff on amd64, alpha, powerpc ? |
| 18:27.28 | cr2 | do they care about me ? |
| 18:27.37 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have some problem with loading modules. I'll have to fix it before i upload it |
| 18:28.01 | cr2 | i never use binary ati or nvidia modules. even if they are probably faster. |
| 18:28.12 | dcordes | cr2, my nvidia did work on uboontu 64 bit |
| 18:28.33 | dcordes | cr2, I heard the ati module just gets better since amd promotes its development |
| 18:28.49 | cr2 | if i had really cared about 3D i'd be documenting their register interface too. |
| 18:29.30 | cr2 | it is good that after so many years they do something reasonable. |
| 18:30.16 | cr2 | i think it's really important to set an example, that's why i'm spending all my free time on ATI :) |
| 18:30.28 | dcordes | just because they see linux customers running away, though |
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| 18:32.56 | cr2 | i remember running tuxracer with real 3D accel on an ati card during the dotcom time. |
| 18:33.20 | cr2 | using the compiled CVS xserver |
| 18:33.57 | dcordes | I was happy with microsoft that time. |
| 18:33.57 | cr2 | afaik imageon does not have opengl in hardware. |
| 18:34.19 | dcordes | but? |
| 18:34.36 | cr2 | but there are many new unknown regs in w228x |
| 18:34.55 | cr2 | w32x0 like on ba/hima only has 2D accel. |
| 18:35.06 | cr2 | and the hardware IDCT. |
| 18:36.32 | cr2 | but i don't know any linux software that uses hw IDCT on imageon. |
| 18:38.07 | cr2 | Kevin2: is you hermes running now ? |
| 18:38.14 | cr2 | s/you/your/ |
| 18:38.28 | Kevin2 | Running linux, no. It's in front of me though. |
| 18:39.27 | cr2 | can you read out the SD clock divisor reg ? |
| 18:39.36 | cr2 | on s3c2442 |
| 18:40.05 | cr2 | i've sorted out the ATI clock divisor algorithm. |
| 18:40.28 | cr2 | now i need to understand the 910/90c logic . |
| 18:40.39 | Kevin2 | cr2: See http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/HTCHermes/regs/ |
| 18:40.51 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:49.15 | dcordes | cr2, do we know kaiser display hardware yet? |
| 18:49.27 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: my fault, i didnt have fbcon rotate in my startup.txt |
| 18:50.33 | ellisway | hi all |
| 18:51.12 | goxboxlive | hi ellisway |
| 18:51.36 | PITABoy | I beleive that cr2 knows it it was something weirc |
| 18:51.40 | PITABoy | weird |
| 18:51.44 | PITABoy | look in the logs |
| 18:52.34 | PITABoy | it is something like fubocon |
| 18:52.41 | ellisway | hi goxboxlive just been reading through the logs looks like st_lim is having same issue as me with the no network found stuff |
| 18:52.48 | PITABoy | I'm pretty sure it starts with an f |
| 18:52.57 | goxboxlive | ellisway: right |
| 18:53.18 | ellisway | i`m running radio 1.15 |
| 18:53.23 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:53.24 | ellisway | and still have the same issue |
| 18:53.58 | PITABoy | dcordes |
| 18:54.02 | dcordes | yea |
| 18:54.40 | ellisway | for the rom i`m using the new tmobile aku 3.3 debranded rom |
| 18:55.17 | ellisway | but i also have my original tmobile handset back now |
| 18:55.24 | PITABoy | did you find out what the lcd wa |
| 18:55.24 | PITABoy | s |
| 18:55.31 | ellisway | so i have 2 universals now |
| 18:55.38 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: am i able edit the *.img file from my computer? |
| 18:56.33 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: The linux-root.img file? Sure, just mount the SD card, and then loop mount the linux-root.img file. |
| 18:56.59 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: ok, thx |
| 18:59.26 | PITABoy | Kevin2 do you have an *.img for the titan |
| 18:59.57 | Kevin2 | PITABoy: We're still a long way off from supporting the MSM chip. |
| 19:00.12 | cr2 | Kevin2: the 910/90c is used in the same way on hermes. |
| 19:01.19 | Kevin2 | cr2: I don't see it in my traces. Maybe I'm not tracing all the right areas.. |
| 19:02.06 | dcordes | PITABoy, do you know if there are any modules for the kaiser display? |
| 19:02.15 | ellisway | i notice also during the boot that the avahi-daemon failes during the boot not sure if that has anything to do with it or not though |
| 19:02.23 | dcordes | I mean did you any research on this. Also: is it the same as titan display? |
| 19:03.17 | cr2 | Kevin2: it's the same page where the 5749 chip id is stored. but i don't know where they may have remapped it. the VirtualAlloc/VirtualCopy is called at the driver init. |
| 19:03.33 | PITABoy | not sure what the titan has but i think that cr2 said that there is support for some of the lcds made by the company that the kaiser's lcd is made by |
| 19:04.41 | cr2 | PITABoy: do you gather the msm7x00 data somewhere ? |
| 19:05.15 | PITABoy | mxktmdude and I have a wiki |
| 19:05.31 | PITABoy | http://titanux.lwp.ca/wiki |
| 19:06.18 | PITABoy | it was origionally for the msm7500 devices but any msm info would be helpfull |
| 19:06.44 | dcordes | PITABoy, shouldn't we have a common place do gather msm7*00* device data? |
| 19:07.37 | cr2 | PITABoy: kaiser has toppoly LCD. don't know the actual data |
| 19:07.42 | PITABoy | yeah that is what the above wiki should be turned into |
| 19:08.02 | *** join/#htc-linux vincents (n=vincents@62.63.180.85) |
| 19:08.16 | dcordes | PITABoy, we could poke admin for such category |
| 19:08.29 | dcordes | or we start a whole new site for xda dev purpose |
| 19:08.32 | PITABoy | I wish that xdadevlopers or handhelds.org had a nice msm7x00 wiki |
| 19:08.36 | dcordes | htc-linux.org |
| 19:09.06 | cr2 | Your request for http://htc-linux.org/ could not be fulfilled, because the domain name htc-linux.org could not be resolved. |
| 19:09.12 | PITABoy | same here |
| 19:09.23 | PITABoy | I will change the wiki on titanux |
| 19:11.00 | dcordes | cr2, wouldn't it be possible to get somebody register the domain? |
| 19:11.32 | PITABoy | the titanux wiki now has a kaiser section |
| 19:12.03 | cr2 | dcordes: registering the domain is not a big problem, but where are you going to host it ? |
| 19:12.19 | PITABoy | and it is an open site you can edit without signing up (ip is logged) if you signup your username is posted |
| 19:12.40 | PITABoy | we could use something free like netfirms |
| 19:13.21 | PITABoy | i guess that they dont have free hosting anymore |
| 19:13.31 | dcordes | cr2, linuxtogo hh.org? |
| 19:13.35 | dcordes | something like that |
| 19:13.54 | PITABoy | http://sourceforge.net/index.php <-- how about that |
| 19:14.02 | ellisway | i can help with hosting |
| 19:14.09 | dcordes | ellisway, cool |
| 19:14.11 | PITABoy | we would get some serious exposure there |
| 19:14.27 | PITABoy | I would host but I have adsl only 128 up |
| 19:14.35 | dcordes | there are several htc projects on sf.net |
| 19:14.40 | ellisway | i have servers in most of the docklands datacentres in the uk |
| 19:14.42 | dcordes | like linwizard |
| 19:14.44 | PITABoy | that is only like 16kb up |
| 19:14.46 | dcordes | by silven |
| 19:15.03 | dcordes | ellisway, that would be just awesome |
| 19:15.05 | vincents | sorry, but htc touch compatible with linux+phone ? |
| 19:15.36 | cr2 | vincents: can you run haret on it ? |
| 19:16.16 | vincents | cr2, no, because onlu 2 days with this phone |
| 19:16.32 | cr2 | vincents: it's just a wince app. |
| 19:17.04 | vincents | its my first Q about this item |
| 19:17.14 | Kevin2 | bbl |
| 19:17.21 | cr2 | you get the wince program and run it. |
| 19:17.26 | PITABoy | vincents do some googleing |
| 19:17.47 | PITABoy | http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ |
| 19:17.51 | PITABoy | get the latest one |
| 19:17.59 | vincents | tnx |
| 19:18.00 | PITABoy | isnt the touch cdma msm7500? |
| 19:18.05 | pH5 | htc touch (not dual) is ti omap850, for which linux support still is in a somewhat sorry state |
| 19:18.14 | pH5 | maybe touch dual is msm? |
| 19:18.47 | dcordes | pH5, yep. dual is msm7200 |
| 19:19.20 | cr2 | hi pH5 |
| 19:19.24 | pH5 | hey cr2 |
| 19:19.35 | cr2 | pH5: i'm completely confused with the SD boot |
| 19:19.46 | pH5 | cr2: you too? :/ |
| 19:19.52 | PITABoy | http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=803 <-- cdma |
| 19:19.54 | PITABoy | msm7500 |
| 19:20.18 | cr2 | pH5: on BA i got all possible credentials, but it still says "Not allow update" |
| 19:20.32 | cr2 | pH5: on universal i still get FF |
| 19:20.58 | pH5 | on gsm-forum somebody told me samsung f700 is using some msm62xx |
| 19:21.10 | pH5 | cr2: same here, "not allow update", but seclevel is 0 |
| 19:21.32 | PITABoy | is there any way to find out more about the titan |
| 19:21.35 | cr2 | pH5: we are missing something very simple |
| 19:22.08 | pH5 | I should put the herald aside for a while and look at the magician bootloader again :/ |
| 19:22.18 | dcordes | ellisway, so you would be propably ready to host htc-linux.org? |
| 19:22.33 | cr2 | pH5: i can send you some very helpful .lst file, but i need to integrate some labels first. |
| 19:23.09 | PITABoy | can qpst help at all? |
| 19:23.26 | PITABoy | qualcomm product support tools? |
| 19:23.52 | ellisway | yeh |
| 19:24.14 | ellisway | takes a matter of a few mins to add a user and setup the webspace |
| 19:24.29 | cr2 | pH5: 407K compressed. |
| 19:24.52 | pH5 | cr2: I'm still interested :) |
| 19:25.02 | cr2 | gmail ? |
| 19:25.28 | pH5 | ok |
| 19:26.03 | cr2 | pH5: ok. |
| 19:26.22 | dcordes | cr2, what about legal ssues with possible htc-linux.org? |
| 19:28.11 | cr2 | pH5: sent a link |
| 19:28.25 | cr2 | dcordes: ianal ;) |
| 19:28.44 | dcordes | ? |
| 19:29.16 | cr2 | we use it as a channel name, and nobody complained so far. |
| 19:30.11 | dcordes | ah ok |
| 19:32.43 | pH5 | cr2: thanks for the link, but that file is 403 |
| 19:33.35 | cr2 | pH5: sorry. |
| 19:33.57 | cr2 | got it now ? |
| 19:34.45 | pH5 | cr2: yup, got it |
| 19:34.55 | cr2 | ok. |
| 19:35.27 | PITABoy | if someone gets linux working on the titan we dont care who it is |
| 19:35.41 | PITABoy | put in the chanel info the new site |
| 19:35.53 | goxboxlive | cr2: it's uploaded. Phone is disabled by default: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/tmp/ |
| 19:36.26 | dcordes | pH5, that's why I was thinking about htc-linux.org to become one central place for exchange |
| 19:37.39 | cr2 | pH5: xanadux is strange. both project admins are not available. linwizard/typhoon obviously given up because the goal is too complex to achieve. for titanux ask PITABoy |
| 19:38.24 | PITABoy | titanux was supposed to be a site devoted to all information on the titan and simular phones |
| 19:38.44 | PITABoy | we were compiling all of the posted info to one site |
| 19:39.34 | cr2 | we need something sustainable, with a clear message and realistic goals. |
| 19:39.53 | ellisway | goxboxlive is there anything else i can do to try and help find out what causes the modem / sim not to be ready and have no network |
| 19:40.09 | dcordes | PITABoy, see that's the problem. You say titanux for info about ittan and similar ones. But what are similar ones? that's bringing even more confusion |
| 19:40.26 | PITABoy | kaiser |
| 19:40.41 | PITABoy | anything with msm7x00 chipset |
| 19:40.45 | ellisway | i``ve just tried it on my original tmobile handset which is still netlocked and not supercid etc etc |
| 19:40.49 | dcordes | why not calling it msm7k.com or anything then |
| 19:40.53 | dcordes | that's the point |
| 19:40.57 | dcordes | we need a central place |
| 19:41.35 | PITABoy | well I think that msm7k is better than htc-linux.org because it tells what we are doing at the site |
| 19:41.39 | PITABoy | not general |
| 19:41.55 | PITABoy | xanandux is already htc-linux.org |
| 19:42.38 | dcordes | we could ask them to merge up |
| 19:42.49 | ellisway | so thats radio version 1.10.03 1.15 and 1.18 that i`ve tried and all radio versions have given me the same issue |
| 19:42.57 | PITABoy | we need to know what you want the site for |
| 19:43.02 | dcordes | so we make subcategories where people can do specialized stuff with distros for their phone |
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| 19:43.33 | PITABoy | if you want it for any htc phone then that is what xanandux already is they just dont have the titan or kaiser yet |
| 19:43.34 | dcordes | but in first place concentrate on the hardware/kernel/moules which is similar on so many htcs. |
| 19:43.49 | PITABoy | if you want a site for all pdas then that is what hh.org is |
| 19:44.04 | PITABoy | if you want a site for msm7k chips then we need a new one |
| 19:44.06 | dcordes | PITABoy, <cr2> pH5: xanadux is strange. both project admins are not available. |
| 19:44.17 | PITABoy | true |
| 19:44.19 | dcordes | PITABoy, no imo we really need a complete new beginning |
| 19:44.25 | dcordes | so what you want with xanadux? |
| 19:44.32 | dcordes | a htc distro is not hte right way to do it |
| 19:45.29 | dcordes | we need htc-linux.org for hardware/kernel support for all the phones in first place, then you can see how you assimilate into the various distros/buildsystems like qtopiasdk/OE/whatsoever or do your own thing |
| 19:45.42 | PITABoy | it would be cool if someone could come up with a accronym for msm that has to do with linux |
| 19:46.00 | dcordes | that can be fragmented and individual but to have on site for the real htc only related stuff would be great |
| 19:46.37 | dcordes | cr2, what do you think about the cocept? |
| 19:47.11 | PITABoy | I think that most of the older htc devices already have linux support I think that we need a site for msm7k phones which is what all of the new (currently non linux) phones are anyway |
| 19:47.48 | pH5 | is there a problem with the xda-developers.com wiki? |
| 19:47.54 | PITABoy | yes |
| 19:48.10 | dcordes | I think there is because there is so much wince in it |
| 19:49.26 | pH5 | I think instead of yet another wiki it would make more sense to work on clearing up the structures on xda-dev |
| 19:49.35 | pH5 | (unless there is a technical problem with this host) |
| 19:49.57 | PITABoy | well the wiki program sucks |
| 19:50.00 | dcordes | that would be a nother solution |
| 19:50.05 | PITABoy | no offence to whoever wrote it |
| 19:50.08 | pH5 | we already have info spread across hh.org wiki and xda-dev for many devices |
| 19:51.11 | PITABoy | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki <-- that is the best wiki inmho |
| 19:51.32 | cr2 | pH5: the google spam on xda-dev is a minor problem. i've copied some pages to hh.org wiki to have some backup redundancy. |
| 19:52.10 | cr2 | pH5: there were times when the xda-dev wiki db was not available for weeks, and some data was lost. |
| 19:52.11 | PITABoy | handhelds.org is where it should be I think |
| 19:52.25 | PITABoy | they already have wiki for everything else |
| 19:52.38 | PITABoy | if we are trying for one comon spot that is it |
| 19:53.41 | cr2 | PITABoy: handhelds.org was originally an ipaq site, and now it's some company which plays intransparent (for me) games with opie(tm). |
| 19:55.05 | PITABoy | well whatever you guys decide on let me know |
| 19:56.02 | dcordes | cr2, don't they also play intranspraet games with gpe(tm)? |
| 19:57.59 | cr2 | dcordes: doesn't gpe(tm) come from kernelconcepts.de ? |
| 19:58.48 | dcordes | I have no idea where it comes from. Oly heard that there also wre problems with gpe and hh |
| 20:01.27 | pH5 | gpe's main contributors are from kernelconcepts, and when they decided to move gpe to linuxtogo.org (which is paid for by kernelconcepts afaik), they drew some heavy flak from the hh.org guys. |
| 20:02.11 | dcordes | i see |
| 20:02.43 | cr2 | i think the problem is that only qtopia4 is the only clearly phone-oriented project from the very beginning. |
| 20:03.38 | cr2 | general phone-oriented. |
| 20:04.02 | cr2 | which defacto excludes commercial development |
| 20:04.45 | cr2 | it makes some people (and companies) unhappy. |
| 20:04.47 | PITABoy | I think that openmoko is the only true phone project both qtopia and gpe were made for handhelds first |
| 20:05.56 | cr2 | PITABoy: openmoko has too little manpower, and spends most time fighting with the hardware problems. |
| 20:06.44 | PITABoy | true |
| 20:06.46 | cr2 | qtopia "phone edititon" is older than openmoko by many years. |
| 20:07.06 | PITABoy | I think that openmoko has the best OS though |
| 20:07.18 | PITABoy | much better than qtopia |
| 20:07.19 | pH5 | heh, nice. I called enter_bootloader and enter_wince the same. |
| 20:07.21 | cr2 | so it's not surprising that it's more mature. |
| 20:07.43 | cr2 | PITABoy: the OS is linux in both cases. |
| 20:07.54 | cr2 | pH5: lol |
| 20:07.56 | dcordes | cr2, doesn't openmoko also have huge manpowr since it is OE based? |
| 20:08.33 | PITABoy | the only good thing about openmoko is the software the hardware sucks |
| 20:08.48 | cr2 | dcordes: why doesn't SMS work on the openmoko universal ? |
| 20:09.31 | dcordes | I didn't say OM is the best distro |
| 20:10.04 | dcordes | I can't judge on it at all because OE is the only cros compiling system I know/tried and my only device is akita... |
| 20:10.26 | dcordes | I say OE is very up to date and has many ppl behind it.... |
| 20:10.31 | PITABoy | ok here is the run down OM has the best gui but is stuck up and only officially supports the NEO |
| 20:10.51 | cr2 | dcordes: OE itself is not phone-specific. |
| 20:10.52 | dcordes | what do you mean by officiall? |
| 20:10.58 | dcordes | cr2, I know.. |
| 20:11.08 | PITABoy | GPEphone has the second best gui but doesnt seem to be very active |
| 20:11.21 | PITABoy | dcordes I cant spell |
| 20:11.35 | cr2 | dcordes: our problems are in the phone functions support |
| 20:12.11 | dcordes | PITABoy, http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine |
| 20:12.18 | dcordes | that's what is supported by openmoko |
| 20:12.30 | dcordes | and that's OE's biggest potential |
| 20:12.45 | dcordes | its flexibility |
| 20:12.46 | cr2 | it's the pda gui only. |
| 20:12.54 | dcordes | cr2, what? |
| 20:13.01 | PITABoy | no that is what is supported by openembedded |
| 20:13.04 | cr2 | how many _phones_ does openmoko support ? |
| 20:13.06 | dcordes | yes |
| 20:13.24 | PITABoy | openembedded is the base OS not the gui |
| 20:13.26 | dcordes | that's pdas phones everthing |
| 20:13.35 | PITABoy | qtopia gpe OM =gui |
| 20:13.56 | dcordes | qtopia sdk is not only gui |
| 20:13.59 | PITABoy | openembedded angstrom familiar = OS |
| 20:14.00 | dcordes | it builds the whole system |
| 20:14.14 | dcordes | PITABoy, angstrom is da distro you build with OE |
| 20:14.18 | dcordes | like openmoko |
| 20:14.23 | dcordes | and nslu2linux |
| 20:14.33 | cr2 | dcordes: i mean how many phones support voice calls+sms+gprs/umts with openmoko ? |
| 20:14.42 | dcordes | no idea. |
| 20:14.43 | pH5 | 0 |
| 20:15.05 | dcordes | what about qtopia sdk? |
| 20:15.16 | pH5 | unless you count "libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd" as valid sms/gprs app. |
| 20:15.57 | dcordes | PITABoy, OE is just a cross compile system |
| 20:16.12 | dcordes | you can build many different distros for many different machines with it |
| 20:16.57 | dcordes | PITABoy, http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/conf check out distro and machine dir on this page for a list of supported ones |
| 20:19.18 | PITABoy | I'm just mad because linux isnt on my phone yet |
| 20:19.39 | pH5 | PITABoy: channel that anger into your reverse engineering work ;) |
| 20:19.57 | dcordes | PITABoy, same here, although I don't have it yet. |
| 20:20.45 | PITABoy | yeah that will get us really far idk how to reverse engineer |
| 20:21.39 | PITABoy | anyone heard of qpst? |
| 20:24.11 | dcordes | we should learn some c |
| 20:28.28 | pH5 | and arm asm is really useful |
| 20:29.53 | goxboxlive | cr2: here? |
| 20:31.02 | goxboxlive | forget it |
| 20:31.28 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes, taking the 2G card and running mkdosfs |
| 20:31.55 | goxboxlive | cr2: i have deleted the Qtopia image, i hope you allready have got it. |
| 20:32.03 | cr2 | no. |
| 20:32.14 | goxboxlive | I dont want to have it public because of Helix |
| 20:32.40 | goxboxlive | ok, i'll upload it again. |
| 20:33.16 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:33.35 | goxboxlive | 3v min |
| 20:34.16 | cr2 | mkdosfs /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 20:34.38 | cr2 | i have the wbsd slot in my notebook |
| 20:35.33 | cr2 | goxboxlive: did you create a distro for apache ? :) |
| 20:36.04 | goxboxlive | cr2: no |
| 20:36.28 | cr2 | i hope to have something for athena/hermes soon. |
| 20:36.37 | goxboxlive | cr2: ready to download. Let me know when you have it |
| 20:36.49 | cr2 | ok. |
| 20:37.06 | goxboxlive | cr2: dont you remember, i'm on strike |
| 20:37.25 | cr2 | 3.6MB/s :) |
| 20:37.30 | PITABoy | Helix |
| 20:37.30 | PITABoy | what is |
| 20:37.39 | cr2 | goxboxlive: got it. |
| 20:37.48 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes, i remember :) |
| 20:38.00 | goxboxlive | cr2: Is the download finished? |
| 20:38.04 | cr2 | yes. |
| 20:38.12 | goxboxlive | ok, i remove it |
| 20:38.48 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what i do on ati is also very useful for asic3. suspend included ;) |
| 20:38.56 | goxboxlive | good |
| 20:39.42 | goxboxlive | PITABoy: Multimediaplayer |
| 20:40.04 | cr2 | goxboxlive: my a780 became very unhappy. it does not see the sim card sometimes. |
| 20:40.33 | goxboxlive | cr2: how old is it now? |
| 20:46.10 | PITABoy | openmoko is from tepai |
| 20:46.15 | PITABoy | wtf is that |
| 20:53.06 | PITABoy | has anyone seen the qtopia 4.3 theme? is ther a 4.4? |
| 20:57.13 | PITABoy | I havnt been able to find many screenshots of qtopia gpe or OM |
| 21:01.56 | pH5 | PITABoy: watch http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ (although that is mostly om, currently) |
| 21:01.57 | PITABoy | wow qtopia 4.3 looks almost the same as OM except OM doesnt have the ugly block mainmenu |
| 21:03.52 | cr2 | goxboxlive: 2 years i think. |
| 21:04.34 | *** join/#htc-linux dcordes (n=user20@f048005076.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:04.38 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what should i do with the .exe and .tar.bz2 file ? i have a clean formatted 2GB SD card. |
| 21:04.56 | cr2 | with 1 fat16 partition. |
| 21:07.33 | dcordes | how to get a .org domain? |
| 21:09.49 | PITABoy | easy godaddy.com |
| 21:10.23 | PITABoy | 6.99 USD |
| 21:10.51 | dcordes | looks patriotic |
| 21:11.50 | dcordes | is it 6.99 once or monthly? |
| 21:12.01 | dcordes | s/monthly/yearly |
| 21:14.22 | PITABoy | yearly |
| 21:14.47 | PITABoy | it is cheaper to buy like 3 years at once the price goes down to like 6 dollars a year then |
| 21:14.58 | PITABoy | ten years is even lower |
| 21:15.14 | PITABoy | 10 years = maybe 55 |
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| 21:16.59 | PITABoy | however if you want to change the redirect url or even use a nonstatic ip i would pay a little more and go with no-ip.com |
| 21:18.06 | dcordes | I just want to make sure the domain won't be bought by some evil company |
| 21:25.18 | cr2 | ext2fs is clever. |
| 21:25.23 | cr2 | EXT2-fs: corrupt root inode, run e2fsck |
| 21:26.06 | cr2 | after i've used this card for booting from SD in bootloader. |
| 21:27.13 | PITABoy | dcordes so you dont want to buy it you just want to park it? |
| 21:28.54 | PITABoy | if so that will be a pain in the @ss because you will then need to register with the same company that you parked it with with the same account. They usally charge more for domains then other companies and if another developer for instance cr2 was going to host it you would have to give him your username password email etc |
| 21:36.03 | dcordes | uh ok |
| 21:39.00 | Kevin2 | cr2: Put the two files into the root of the vfat formated sd card and run the .exe |
| 21:46.05 | cr2 | Kevin2: already done. it works very well. |
| 21:47.01 | Kevin2 | cr2: Cool. Thanks. |
| 21:47.03 | cr2 | Kevin2: i've seen a warning from mke2fs that it can't detect is /sdcard/xxx.img is mounted, and that it preserves 5% for roo. |
| 21:47.31 | cr2 | Kevin2: that's a really amazing work :) |
| 21:48.07 | Kevin2 | Yeah, I should probably suppress the output from several of the commands. The script is really small - http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/initramfs-installer/init.sh |
| 21:48.11 | dcordes | cr2, sorry to ask again but what do we know about kaiser display? |
| 21:48.37 | cr2 | dcordes: it's some toppoly device. i.e. it's not hitachi like on titan. |
| 21:50.35 | cr2 | Kevin2: a silly idea came to my mind. on a 128MB RAM device it should be possible to boot with 64MB RAM and use the second 64MB as rootfs ? |
| 21:50.53 | PITABoy | so the titan does for sure have a hitachi LCD |
| 21:51.10 | PITABoy | and the kaiser has a toppoly |
| 21:51.14 | cr2 | PITABoy: it's in your wince logs. |
| 21:51.40 | cr2 | PITABoy: there are several other options though. but we have seen only hitachi so far. |
| 21:54.28 | dcordes | cr2, how do you know that? (kaiser being toppoly and titan hitachi)? |
| 21:55.23 | cr2 | dcordes: because the wince kernel has a "dmesg"-style ringbuffer that can be dumped with haret. |
| 21:56.38 | PITABoy | cr2: I am writing to qualcomm for more information to get linux on the msm 7500 and 7200 devices. What would be helpfull? It never hurts to ask |
| 21:56.56 | dcordes | cr2, I see. You have that completely logged yet? |
| 21:58.27 | PITABoy | I have the logs |
| 21:58.33 | PITABoy | so do some others |
| 21:58.51 | cr2 | PITABoy: the CPU datasheet like intel published for PXA2xx, but i guess they'll at least ask for an NDA. |
| 21:59.12 | cr2 | dcordes: yes, it's just a RAM dump. |
| 22:00.05 | dcordes | PITABoy, which google has |
| 22:02.46 | PITABoy | they only have the 7200A not the others |
| 22:03.18 | dcordes | cr2, does TD028TTEB3 sound familiar to you? |
| 22:04.12 | dcordes | I think it's the kaiser display |
| 22:04.33 | cr2 | dcordes: kaiser has 2.8" LCD ? |
| 22:04.53 | dcordes | yea |
| 22:05.06 | dcordes | Display: 2.8", 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD display with adjustable angle and backlight |
| 22:05.10 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:05.13 | cr2 | found that |
| 22:05.16 | cr2 | http://www.bikudo.com/buy/details/109856/new_td028tteb3_for_htc_kaiser.html |
| 22:05.37 | dcordes | http://www.diytrade.com/directory/global/buy/products/3388418/TD028TTEB3.html found it there |
| 22:07.09 | dcordes | cr2, any drivers around for it? |
| 22:07.49 | PITABoy | has anyone tried calling htc? |
| 22:08.03 | PITABoy | well I did and they had an after hours recording |
| 22:08.06 | dcordes | PITABoy, to ask them what? |
| 22:08.31 | PITABoy | it said for tecnical information and specs please email us at info.htc.com |
| 22:08.46 | PITABoy | duh for detailed info on their devices |
| 22:08.57 | dcordes | did you email them yet? |
| 22:09.10 | cr2 | ok, something to add to http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Partnumbers |
| 22:09.18 | PITABoy | no I am going to in about 30 mins have to check temps again |
| 22:09.40 | cr2 | btw, it's exactly the problem with xda-dev wiki. |
| 22:09.48 | cr2 | the page is locked and can't be edited. |
| 22:10.14 | cr2 | the htc_gsm page became too long, and is not shown anymore too. |
| 22:10.16 | PITABoy | i know and i cant figure out how to edit the hh.org wiki either |
| 22:10.32 | PITABoy | brb |
| 22:10.36 | dcordes | cr2, that's why we need htc-linux.org |
| 22:12.22 | cr2 | dcordes: if you'll host the roms there, it'll be a lot of traffic. |
| 22:12.38 | cr2 | and we are very close to hosting roms now. |
| 22:13.55 | dcordes | cr2, what about that guy who offered hosting? (I lost X and have logging off) we should also put instructions on how people roll their own images |
| 22:14.42 | dcordes | eg with OE or qtopia sdk |
| 22:16.39 | cr2 | ellisway: the replies to not come through. |
| 22:16.47 | cr2 | s/to /do / |
| 22:17.02 | ellisway | ak |
| 22:17.15 | ellisway | talk in chan then |
| 22:17.46 | ellisway | if i potentionly do the hosting of somthing like htc-linux.org what amount of space and bw do you think it would require ? |
| 22:18.13 | cr2 | how big is basic rom ? |
| 22:18.30 | dcordes | what do you mean by basic? w/o gui? |
| 22:18.35 | cr2 | i don't think we need to host the angstrom .ipk |
| 22:19.03 | cr2 | no, with minimal gui to run the phone. |
| 22:19.09 | ellisway | current images seem to be around the 35mb in size per image |
| 22:19.15 | cr2 | no weird games, word processors and such. |
| 22:19.22 | dcordes | cr2, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/htcuniversal/20071104/ |
| 22:19.49 | cr2 | dcordes: it does not support the phone == useless. |
| 22:20.15 | ellisway | space and bw shouldn`t be a issue for me as i work for a isp |
| 22:20.18 | dcordes | an openmoko image with basics is around 30mb |
| 22:20.33 | cr2 | people will download it, run once, and throw away. |
| 22:20.45 | ellisway | its more a case of working out what sort of load and bw so i no which server to use |
| 22:21.08 | dcordes | I don't think there will be a lot of traffic at the beginning |
| 22:21.09 | cr2 | ellisway: imho, it depends on how usable it will be. |
| 22:21.29 | cr2 | i'd say voice+sms+gprs/umts is a must. |
| 22:22.05 | ellisway | i would imagin traffic in the range of a 500mb to 1gb a day |
| 22:22.08 | cr2 | i'll convert the tiles from OSM RSN, so we can bundle the GPS map program. |
| 22:22.12 | ellisway | to start with |
| 22:22.32 | cr2 | roadmap. it'll be quite usable in UK. |
| 22:22.59 | dcordes | I think 1gb will be sufficient |
| 22:23.48 | ellisway | thats like a lil drop in the ocean |
| 22:23.59 | cr2 | i need to check how big is the map. |
| 22:24.57 | dcordes | ellisway, would it be complicated for you to migrate to a different host in case the bw limit will be reached fast? |
| 22:25.18 | cr2 | ok, the world is at 300M now, but i need to convert it first. |
| 22:25.55 | cr2 | but nobody will download the whole world i guess. |
| 22:26.15 | ellisway | bw limit will never be reached |
| 22:26.30 | dcordes | ok |
| 22:26.53 | ellisway | i have serveral bgp sessions |
| 22:26.56 | ellisway | if not more |
| 22:27.22 | dcordes | what's bgp? |
| 22:27.35 | ellisway | a routing protocol |
| 22:27.46 | cr2 | border gateway |
| 22:28.48 | ellisway | http://www.webperf.net/?id=availability |
| 22:29.01 | ellisway | i`m the 3rd down in that list |
| 22:29.05 | ellisway | awellconnected |
| 22:30.33 | ellisway | http://www.webperf.net/?id=perfsummary |
| 22:30.44 | ellisway | number 57 on the above link |
| 22:31.01 | dcordes | wow that's a huge area of serving 802.11b |
| 22:31.26 | ellisway | i helped to create the 1st true wireless isp in the uk |
| 22:31.51 | dcordes | what hardware do you use? |
| 22:32.01 | ellisway | the maps on the main page of awell are old now wre in middle of building a complete new site |
| 22:32.16 | dcordes | oh I see |
| 22:39.42 | dcordes | ellisway, do you have any privileges about registering domains? |
| 22:40.34 | ellisway | i dont |
| 22:40.51 | ellisway | it goes through another persons system |
| 22:41.34 | ellisway | i can get domains registered but wont be till monday that i`d be able to talk to the bod |
| 22:43.19 | ellisway | if i do it from here i have to pay the company i work for if i wait till monday i can get it down without having to |
| 22:44.05 | ellisway | s/ down / done / |
| 22:45.26 | dcordes | It would be great if you could get htc-linux.org then if it will not inconvenience you |
| 22:48.15 | dcordes | bbiab |
| 22:55.14 | ellisway | managed to get hold of the bod on the phone will be registered l8r on this evening |
| 22:55.25 | PITABoy | just sent a message to htc and qualcomm hopefully one of them will play nice |
| 22:57.05 | ellisway | gonna put it on a dual p4 xeon box |
| 22:59.51 | ellisway | bbl |
| 23:05.01 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: I've pushed a new version of the rootfs.cgz file. This version cleans up the error and status messages. It will also mount the vfat from partition 1 or partition 5 (wince sometimes formats the sd card as an extended partition which makes it show up as partition 5). |
| 23:05.23 | *** part/#htc-linux PITABoy (i=c06843dd@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-3fc16215fa896944) |
| 23:09.52 | *** join/#htc-linux Mineque (n=Mineque@195.60.65.50) |
| 23:15.06 | cr2 | Kevin2: the 910 register has some important information. |
| 23:15.54 | cr2 | if bit 4 is not set, card 0 is detected, bit 8 is not set - card1 is detected. |
| 23:17.44 | dcordes | I'm curious what qualcomm will respond to PITABoy |
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| 23:29.59 | dcordes | also sent an inquiry to htc :) |
| 23:35.13 | *** join/#htc-linux PITABoy_mobile (n=PITABoy@70.11.98.107) |
| 23:35.21 | PITABoy_mobile | sup all |
| 23:36.46 | dcordes | PITABoy_mobile, also sent a mail to htc |
| 23:38.18 | dcordes | cr2, didn't you say msm7200's imageon unit wouldn't support opengl? According to the diagram on qualcomm site it does |
| 23:40.00 | PITABoy_mobile | dcordes you sent mail too or are you telling someone else that i sent mail |
| 23:40.12 | cr2 | dcordes: in hardware ? imageon 32x0 did not support it. i guess 228x does not support it too. |
| 23:40.14 | dcordes | nope I also sent one |
| 23:40.21 | PITABoy_mobile | cool |
| 23:40.41 | cr2 | c=8+4 |
| 23:40.58 | dcordes | cr2, http://www.umtschips.com/download_library/pdf/diagram_msm7200_cs.pdf it says OPENGL-ES inside "graphics" box |
| 23:41.03 | PITABoy_mobile | hopefully they send stuff however i think that qualcomm will probably give out more info |
| 23:42.43 | PITABoy_mobile | i told qualcomm that they say that they support linux but wtf is the support then asked for detailed docs or kernel source |
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| 23:45.00 | cr2 | dcordes: imageon2300 |
| 23:45.34 | cr2 | http://brew.qualcomm.com/brew_bnry/pdf/events/brew_2004/aaftab_munshi_ati_optimizing_games_imageon.pdf |
| 23:47.30 | dcordes | Comprehensive OpenGL ES implementation |
| 23:50.48 | PITABoy_mobile | dcordes how long have you been using linux and how long have you been hacking |
| 23:51.34 | Kevin2 | pH5: Are you around? |
| 23:51.38 | dcordes | PITABoy_mobile, ~2 years and what exactly do you mean by hacking? |
| 23:52.02 | PITABoy_mobile | linux stuff not malicious hacking |
| 23:52.24 | dcordes | I can't code |
| 23:52.46 | PITABoy_mobile | oh |
| 23:52.58 | PITABoy_mobile | can you edit code |
| 23:53.04 | dcordes | ~lart dcordes |
| 23:53.04 | apt | stuffs dcordes into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 23:53.25 | dcordes | PITABoy_mobile, I never tried |
| 23:53.36 | PITABoy_mobile | oh |
| 23:53.48 | dcordes | PITABoy_mobile, what about you? |
| 23:53.56 | Kevin2 | pH5: I saw you were looking into an HTC cpld that uses i2c. Does it use real i2c, or is it a bit banging thing? Both Apache and Hermes have some kind of bit banging chip that controls front LEDs, backlight, and front keypad. There is a driver in drivers/mfd/htc-bbkeys.c |
| 23:54.25 | dcordes | what kind was the hermes ati chip? |
| 23:54.32 | cr2 | Kevin2: it certainly messes with the i2c registers. |
| 23:54.50 | PITABoy_mobile | ~lart dcordes |
| 23:54.51 | apt | puts dcordes into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of dcordes's hair of |
| 23:54.58 | cr2 | Kevin2: what's the difference between your i2c and spi ? |
| 23:55.13 | dcordes | man that's enough lart for today |
| 23:55.29 | Kevin2 | The bbkeys thing uses an i2c like protocol - but it is not real i2c. It doesn't look similar to spi. |
| 23:56.02 | PITABoy_mobile | ~lart dcordes |
| 23:56.02 | apt | changes dcordes's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 23:56.07 | cr2 | both are syncronous 2line |
| 23:56.30 | dcordes | shouldn't have showed you. Let's not spam the god's chan |
| 23:56.58 | PITABoy_mobile | no it isnt larting |
| 23:57.04 | cr2 | Kevin2: there is such LCD bitbanging happening on toppoly LCDs. |
| 23:57.36 | Kevin2 | cr2: You think the lcd itself controls the front keypad and leds? |
| 23:58.33 | PITABoy_mobile | interesting never heard of that and wht is bitbanging |
| 23:59.01 | dcordes | hoe it's nothing erotic |
| 23:59.08 | dcordes | s/hoe/hope |
| 23:59.28 | PITABoy_mobile | lol |
| 23:59.37 | cr2 | Kevin2: no, i want to understand why you call it i2c . |
| 23:59.43 | PITABoy_mobile | i dint think that it was untill you mentioned it |
| 23:59.49 | Kevin2 | bitbanging is the act of using a gpio to simulate an i2c or other protocol. |