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| 07:53.58 | kuzmma | hi. Does anybody works above support OMAP850 HTC phones? |
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| 08:00.29 | kuzmma | I'm instresting about sound support in HTC Tornado. Is any way to make it or some information? |
| 08:04.20 | tsdogs | kuzmma: I have no idea about tornado state (probably law whould) anyway: http://linuxtogo.org/~law/htctornado/gpephone/images/ |
| 08:06.18 | kuzmma | yes I know about this and some other patches frpm nico vivien and other but there is no audio support. I can find anithing usefull information with IDA in windows drivers. Is any guru here who can gave me advice? |
| 08:07.05 | tsdogs | kuzmma: cr2 maybe knows better ... |
| 08:08.30 | kuzmma | Is any omap850 smartphone or communicators which audio supported? |
| 08:09.11 | tsdogs | cr2 or BabelO should know, I have no idea. |
| 08:09.50 | kuzmma | thnaks. May be they answer me later. |
| 08:10.55 | tsdogs | that's better :) |
| 08:18.02 | kuzmma | In what time here usually happen cr2 or BableO? (sorry for my english) |
| 08:18.44 | tsdogs | usually late morning and afternoon / evening (here it's 10 am) |
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| 08:43.29 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 08:44.43 | kuzmma | hi |
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| 08:49.26 | sladen | kuzmma: I'm try on an artmis |
| 08:49.49 | kuzmma | and what result? |
| 08:49.52 | sladen | kuzmma: I think the audio works if you reboot in the middle of a call from windows; that has set the mixer up then |
| 08:50.10 | sladen | kuzmma: I haven't got that far, you need to ask the professionals above :) |
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| 11:09.06 | BabelO | hi |
| 11:11.49 | tsdogs | BabelO: hi |
| 11:12.14 | BabelO | hey tsdogs , i see your qtopia video ;), look nice |
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| 11:12.30 | espskog | Morning.. |
| 11:12.43 | tsdogs | :) I'm producing a better one for you |
| 11:12.43 | BabelO | morning espskog |
| 11:13.12 | espskog | Babel: yes, a very good one too as I am now almost finished installing the new opie2/qtopia image to my universal :-) |
| 11:13.25 | BabelO | tsdogs: it is in qvfb ? |
| 11:13.34 | tsdogs | BabelO: yes |
| 11:13.50 | tsdogs | BabelO: much easyer to port apps :) |
| 11:16.15 | BabelO | tsdogs: i use vnc on my blueangel qtopia and mount qtopia over nfs from build direcotyr ;) same thing for me |
| 11:17.13 | BabelO | tsdogs: which maps did you use ? |
| 11:17.35 | tsdogs | BabelO: no idea, the one that cr2 gave me. |
| 11:17.44 | tsdogs | Oslo (?) I think |
| 11:17.53 | espskog | Can someone confirm for me that this is the link to the most recent OPIE2/Qtopia image which is working for the universal and has a dialer included ? |
| 11:17.55 | espskog | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/images/O.P.I.E-II/O.P.I.E.II-4.3.0.tar.bz2 |
| 11:18.24 | tsdogs | espskog: I think this is the latest goxboxlive builded |
| 11:18.32 | tsdogs | BabelO: Qtopia seems to have problems handling utf8 chars |
| 11:22.13 | kuzmma | BabelO: I'm instresting about sound support in HTC Tornado or other OMAP850. Is any way to make it or some information? |
| 11:23.53 | BabelO | kuzmma: i don't know the sound chipset :( as for tornado, it seem they want to use mcbsp support with dsp for sound. phone sound is a separate thing |
| 11:27.03 | espskog | tsdogs: I just booted it, but how do I "use" it ? It won't allow me to call and BT seems inoperative. Also, if I enter phone-dialer i cannot go back to main menu. |
| 11:29.45 | tsdogs | espskog: this is experimental. Phone app :( u need to reboot |
| 11:29.52 | espskog | gobox: awake ?? |
| 11:30.17 | espskog | gobox: you opie2 image..how do I set up the network on that image so i can ssh in via wlan ? |
| 11:32.59 | tsdogs | BabelO: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/screenshots/qtopia_roadmap2.mpg not very high quality :/ |
| 11:34.48 | BabelO | yesss ;) you have added the integrated menu ;) good softmenu::* |
| 11:35.09 | BabelO | tsdogs: comitteed into cvs ? |
| 11:35.15 | tsdogs | espskog: if u use USB 192.168.0.202 afair it's the IP of the device |
| 11:35.26 | tsdogs | BabelO: not yet... |
| 11:35.33 | BabelO | tsdogs: so good |
| 11:35.37 | espskog | tsdogs: will wlan work ? |
| 11:35.47 | BabelO | tsdogs: it try to fix keyboard plugin |
| 11:36.03 | tsdogs | espskog: I thinks so but I haven't tryed |
| 11:36.09 | tsdogs | BabelO: any success? |
| 11:36.46 | espskog | tsdogs: what is the best image to use, is it this opie2 which i installed ? |
| 11:37.03 | espskog | tsdogs: and does it support landscape screenmode ? |
| 11:37.13 | tsdogs | espskog: depends on what u need to do? |
| 11:37.50 | espskog | tsdogs: i would like it to work as as complete as possible as a linux server. I do not really need phone/3g at all. |
| 11:38.06 | tsdogs | espskog: opie2 is experimental. Qtopia supports Rotation, but I think u need to change some params in the opie2 startup script |
| 11:38.37 | tsdogs | well then angstrom-console-image should be the start... |
| 11:38.54 | espskog | tsdogs: with regards to speed and completeness of linux, which image would you go for ? |
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| 11:39.58 | dcordes | hi |
| 11:40.11 | dcordes | is there any news regarding qualcomm phones? |
| 11:41.23 | tsdogs | espskog: opie image I think is the best right now if you don't need the phone but use it as a PDA, for linux server the console is enough, install the packages u need afterwards |
| 11:41.59 | tsdogs | espskog: if u need it for production. |
| 11:42.38 | BabelO | tsdogs: bug is due to workaround we use last time |
| 11:43.35 | tsdogs | BabelO: refresh my memory ... |
| 11:44.40 | BabelO | tsdogs: last time we try to get variable device from qtopia... it never success so we get directly variable device into QWS_KEYBOARD environment variable ;) |
| 11:45.46 | tsdogs | BabelO: last time I tryed the qtopia standard using tty0 was working fine on Universal |
| 11:47.12 | BabelO | tsdogs: i prefer to use event for all my entries |
| 11:47.31 | BabelO | ok now it is working perfet ;) |
| 11:47.37 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok we need them anyway for special buttons |
| 11:47.44 | tsdogs | BabelO: well done :) |
| 11:47.48 | espskog | tsdogs: my opie2 image keeps going into the phoneapp and from there i cannot exit. any tips ? |
| 11:49.33 | tsdogs | espskog: wait, I'll start mine... |
| 11:51.49 | espskog | How come OpenMoko is showing a bootscreen on this image ? |
| 11:52.14 | tsdogs | espskog: have u disabled the PIN request in WM? |
| 11:52.45 | espskog | tsdogs: no ..didn't know i had to, but will do now :) |
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| 11:53.09 | tsdogs | espskog: I have no idea if this is the case, but I disabled it ... |
| 11:53.47 | espskog | Is OPIE is the graphic overlay, what is qtopia then ? Aren't they both gfx overlays to linux ? |
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| 11:55.02 | tsdogs | espskog: well opie is "qtopia" based on qt-embedded2 |
| 11:55.31 | tsdogs | qtopia4 is released opensource from Trolltech which is based on qt4 |
| 11:55.35 | espskog | tsdogs: I see. A "spin off" of qtopia. right ? |
| 11:55.57 | espskog | tsdogs: Sorry if I seem confused here. Just started this yesterday ;-) |
| 11:56.13 | tsdogs | something like that... |
| 11:56.34 | espskog | tsdogs: Do you know why openmoko shows splashscreen during boot ? I thought OpenMoko was "yet another" gfx overlay ? |
| 11:56.40 | tsdogs | opie2 is the aim to add functionality starting from qtopia4 |
| 11:57.04 | espskog | tsdogs: aha, i see. |
| 11:57.40 | tsdogs | espskog: the splashscreen can be personalized, goxboxlive left this splash insthead of the default OE/Angstrom splash |
| 11:57.48 | espskog | tsdogs: I disabled PIN in WM and restarted opie2 but it still says "no network" and does not respond to anything from the kbd nor the touchscreen anymore either :-\ |
| 11:58.04 | espskog | tsdogs: that clears up my confused mind regarding the splashscreen :) Thanks.. |
| 11:58.56 | tsdogs | espskog: Is wifi enabled when u started opie2? it was causing troubles to the touchscreen in the past. no idea if it was fixed |
| 11:59.32 | espskog | tsdogs: If i would like to have a image which gives me the most linux-like installed base including a "nice" (or working) graphic system, what is recommended ? (phone stuff not needed, but wlan is) |
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| 12:00.17 | espskog | tsdogs: I was told yesterday by cr2 and gobox that whatever was on/off in WM before launching opie was ignored as opie kicked out WM. |
| 12:00.48 | tsdogs | well OPIE (not OPIE2) is ok for that (wifi is a bit tricky but it should work) |
| 12:01.30 | espskog | tsdogs: what is the difference between opie and opie2 ? any improvements, or is opie2 just more phone-app friendly ? |
| 12:02.58 | tsdogs | espskog: opie2 is based on Qtopia4, opie is based on Qtopia2/qt-embedded2. |
| 12:03.17 | tsdogs | they are "very" different ... |
| 12:03.22 | espskog | tsdogs: is it the same linux system in the bottom of all the different images ? (opie, opie2, gpe etc) ??? |
| 12:03.39 | tsdogs | yes Angstrom distribution |
| 12:03.54 | espskog | I can confirm that if you have wlan/bt enabled in WM before booting linux, touchscreen in opie2 is not working..nor the kbd afaik |
| 12:04.11 | tsdogs | espskog: ok |
| 12:04.59 | tsdogs | BabelO: I'm committing to CVS the changes, can u try running it on BA? |
| 12:05.29 | tsdogs | u need to change config.mk with DESKTOP=QPE4 and add the QTDIR QTOPIADIR paths |
| 12:05.53 | tsdogs | then run make; cd qt4; make install |
| 12:06.46 | tsdogs | BabelO: qtopia is using a security tool sxe which I was not able to NOT use :) |
| 12:07.51 | espskog | tsdogs: i found several diff versions of angstrom, can you send me a url with the one you means was the most complete linux image without phone-stuff ? |
| 12:08.24 | BabelO | tsdogs: ah ? mine is not actived |
| 12:08.29 | tsdogs | espskog: phone stuff is only in openmoko and opie2 images |
| 12:09.22 | tsdogs | BabelO: Maybe it's because I used QtopiaApplication and not QApplication |
| 12:09.33 | tsdogs | espskog: of course the phone device is there... |
| 12:10.30 | espskog | tsdogs: i'm just after having as good a linux base installed on my universal as possible so i can run it as a server. and i need it to work with wlan, in landscape and with kbd possibilities :-) |
| 12:10.50 | espskog | tsdogs: oh, and a graphicsystem ..for eyecandy ;) |
| 12:10.58 | tsdogs | espskog: do u need a GUI? |
| 12:11.33 | tsdogs | ok then opie is the one. |
| 12:13.07 | espskog | tsdogs: gui is "ok" for when I bring it like on the airport or something, but not for the operation i intend to use it for. BUt if it's embedded in the image so i can start it up, i would be glad. But at least i need the gui to give me a shell windows of some kind ..at least :-) |
| 12:13.07 | tsdogs | espskog: http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/images/Opie/ |
| 12:13.16 | espskog | tsdogs: thanks... |
| 12:13.18 | espskog | BRB |
| 12:14.24 | BabelO | tsdogs: Load a QString into QStringList ? i ll look at the doc else ;) |
| 12:14.50 | tsdogs | BabelO: add ? |
| 12:15.19 | tsdogs | insert is also available |
| 12:15.27 | BabelO | no i found new QStringList("toto et tata"); :) |
| 12:16.04 | tsdogs | ok |
| 12:16.15 | tsdogs | btw insert is the only available |
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| 12:27.28 | espskog | tsdogs: I figured it out. I had to first diable pin check in WM and then i had to wait for WM to completely activate the phone before i could start linux. First then was i able to get opie2 working. Although it did not find my network, it started the phoneapp correctly :-) |
| 12:27.59 | tsdogs | :) ok thx |
| 12:29.06 | espskog | tsdogs: just one more thing. I see that there is a zImage file along with all the images, what is this for ? I use a opie-launcher with a icon in WM (installed it using a cab) .. |
| 12:30.10 | tsdogs | espskog: haret (linux loader) loads the kernel image into memory and boots it up, to do this it has to be in the same forlder as haret is |
| 12:30.16 | espskog | tsdogs: And, what is the difference between "opie-htcuniversal-image-htcuniversal.tar.bz2" and "Angstrom-opie-image-test-20070407-htcuniversal.rootfs.tar.bz2" ?? |
| 12:30.47 | espskog | tsdogs: so it basically does the same as the .cab i intalled which gave me an opie-icon ? |
| 12:30.53 | tsdogs | name changed. |
| 12:31.26 | tsdogs | cab installed haret and zImage and added the icon... (more user friendly) |
| 12:31.31 | espskog | ..and filesize shrunk from 21MB to 17MB ...strange. |
| 12:32.02 | espskog | should I upgrade the zIMage files once in a while or is it okay as long as it boots up the SD image ? |
| 12:32.06 | tsdogs | espskog: they are 2 different versions so they probably cleaned up some stuff. |
| 12:32.28 | espskog | tsdogs: Correction. It GREW from 14 to 17 MB ...sorry ...my bad :) |
| 12:33.03 | tsdogs | well things get fixed into the kernel so I suggest u to update, though u need also the /lib/modules folder which comes with the rootfs... |
| 12:34.46 | espskog | are the lib/modules in the zimage file ? |
| 12:35.01 | tsdogs | espskog: nope in the tar.bz |
| 12:35.36 | espskog | so they are automaticlly included on part2 of the sd card. But should I also included them in WM bootloader ? |
| 12:36.20 | tsdogs | espskog: no. only zImage goes to FAT partition, kernel modules go in the ext3 partition. |
| 12:36.56 | tsdogs | if u copy it as a new file u also need to change the startup.txt to meet the zImage file name |
| 12:37.43 | espskog | tsdogs: and with FAT partition you refer to the \Program Files\BootLinux\Opie on WM internal memory where i launch the OPIE icon, right ? |
| 12:38.13 | espskog | tsdogs: kernel modules i can manually update on ext3, yes.. no prob. |
| 12:38.19 | tsdogs | yes, sorry I have it all on SD so I do not have to copy it every time to WM |
| 12:39.03 | espskog | tsdogs: oh, i see..got me confused there... smart move. I'll do that myself. |
| 12:39.58 | espskog | I see that OPIE2 uses 2.6.21 whils opie uses 2.6.20 ..can I use 2.6.21 with opie too or will it crash and burn ? :-) |
| 12:40.02 | tsdogs | u only need to launch haret.exe which is in the same forlder as startup.txt and zImage (put them wherever u want) |
| 12:40.22 | espskog | what exactly does zimage hold ? |
| 12:40.49 | tsdogs | espskog: it should work though there were a few changes with /sys so probably the battery applet won't work I think. |
| 12:41.25 | tsdogs | espskog: it's the linux kernel (same as u whould use on you PC vmlinuz or whatever) |
| 12:41.48 | tsdogs | espskog: how familiar are u to linux? |
| 12:42.14 | espskog | oooohh......so haret.exe boots off zIMage and from there it uses the contents of ext3 partition on sd card to keep on booting... am I right ? |
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| 12:42.29 | tsdogs | correct |
| 12:43.07 | espskog | tsdogs: i am familiar, but mostly to applications..proprietary ones and VCS HA and not quite too experienced drilling down into kernel levels. I am a Solaris dude. |
| 12:43.36 | espskog | linux and unix are different at places :-) |
| 12:44.09 | tsdogs | espskog: well Solaris has a kernel too :) and a bootloader too on x86 |
| 12:44.28 | espskog | tsdogs: that is true, but I couldnt' read off the web what zImage did :) |
| 12:44.39 | tsdogs | :) |
| 12:44.56 | tsdogs | that's ok, u figured it out |
| 12:45.06 | espskog | and now that i installed a cab to do what i should have done manually by installing haret.exe and startup and zimage, i "missed" that part of the education yesterday :-) |
| 12:45.42 | espskog | yes...most important...now I know..even tho I felt like a complete dumbass having to ask what I knew was quite easy :) |
| 12:47.26 | tsdogs | espskog: I think we all passed from there (I still feel dumbass reading posts on this channel myself :) |
| 12:49.13 | espskog | hehe... |
| 12:49.56 | espskog | at least now I can juggle all the images and images as I like.. took a few hours to understand the compelte picture on how linux works on the universal but it was worth it to get rid of WM :))))) |
| 12:50.16 | tsdogs | :) |
| 12:53.00 | espskog | tsdogs: would you recommend 2.6.21 hh14 or hh16 with opie |
| 12:53.22 | tsdogs | espskog: I haveno idea, but probably hh16 has more fixes |
| 12:53.47 | espskog | 2.6.21 hh16 is the most recent one right ? |
| 12:54.38 | tsdogs | already builded yes |
| 12:55.09 | espskog | glory glory... i'm off to test opie with hh16 ... :-) |
| 12:55.16 | tsdogs | :) |
| 12:55.52 | tsdogs | espskog: first time it takes a while 'cause of initializing things, next run will be much faster ... |
| 12:56.57 | tsdogs | espskog: might I ask why u want it to be a server? |
| 12:57.06 | espskog | tsdogs (and gobox and cr2 if you read this): Thank you for all the help.. it's been great! |
| 12:57.21 | espskog | tsdogs: hehe...to see if it's doable :) |
| 12:57.26 | tsdogs | ok |
| 12:57.29 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: that looked real good. Could you upload it to your server |
| 12:57.46 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: what you mean upload? |
| 12:58.07 | goxboxlive | roadmap |
| 12:58.13 | tsdogs | source is in CVS, and needs to be tested against real Qtopia device |
| 12:58.14 | espskog | tsdogs: and to show it to my colleagus face who all have HTC with WM (and complaining how crappy it is) to show how to _:really:_ utilize it's hardware properly to the max.. heheh..well..maybe not to the max, but at least not to its minimum as WM does heheheheheh |
| 12:58.15 | goxboxlive | the link you provided |
| 12:58.42 | tsdogs | if you want to have a try... |
| 12:59.34 | espskog | Fellas, my dog really has to take a dump right now...don't want it crapping all over the sofa so... l8r doctors. |
| 12:59.37 | espskog | :) |
| 13:00.04 | tsdogs | espskog: :) cya |
| 13:00.31 | tsdogs | I still can't figure out how to build qtopia-core with OE, probably it has something to do with the compiler... |
| 13:00.41 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: u builded with OE compiler? |
| 13:01.34 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes for a long time ago. |
| 13:01.55 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok, but new version of Qtopia? |
| 13:03.04 | goxboxlive | havent tested |
| 13:03.36 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: how did u build it the one you provided us? like we did with opie2 ? |
| 13:04.04 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 13:04.26 | goxboxlive | oh hare you meaning the image. Yes i build it like we did with Opie2 |
| 13:04.37 | goxboxlive | not inside of oo |
| 13:04.51 | tsdogs | ok I need to setup the env for that again. Are u using the OE cross compiler ? |
| 13:04.57 | goxboxlive | s/oo/oe/ |
| 13:05.50 | goxboxlive | yes i did, but now i am using the qtopia toolchain. It has every headers and libs for provided |
| 13:06.19 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok tnx |
| 13:06.30 | tsdogs | gg bbl cya |
| 13:06.34 | goxboxlive | bye |
| 13:07.13 | BabelO | goxboxlive: where did you download qtopia toolchain ?. |
| 13:07.55 | goxboxlive | BabelO: from qtopia.net It's the same as angstrom, but it has libs and headers included |
| 13:08.09 | BabelO | ok |
| 13:08.30 | goxboxlive | BabelO: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=38 |
| 13:08.47 | BabelO | thx |
| 13:18.26 | goxboxlive | BabelO: what did you do with the button source? |
| 13:22.39 | goxboxlive | here is mine cscs o universal: |
| 13:22.41 | goxboxlive | AtChat : T : "AT+CSCS?" |
| 13:22.41 | goxboxlive | AtChat : F : "+CSCS: "IRA"" |
| 13:22.41 | goxboxlive | AtChat : F : "OK" |
| 13:23.19 | BabelO | goxboxlive: keyboard button is working, other one have issue, look here http://pastebin.ca/727845 just replace htcbuthandler.cpp by this one and compile again |
| 13:24.05 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 13:24.48 | BabelO | goxboxlive: also in htcbuthandler.h -> int setEnvDevice(const QString &keys); |
| 13:25.43 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is dirty hack, need to clean the code ;) |
| 13:28.35 | goxboxlive | ok, thx |
| 13:28.50 | BabelO | goxboxlive: should work on magician |
| 13:29.49 | goxboxlive | ok, i am using universal now. Going to test it |
| 13:34.02 | espskog | gobox: I would like to try compiling euae (amiga emulator) for universal. Do you think it would be possible ? source is open and free. Since there isn't any compilers in the images afaik, what do you recommend. |
| 13:36.57 | espskog | Anyone: Does www.linuxtogo.org hold the most recent images to the universal ? I found other sites but they seem to have other images. What site is the one to trust to have newest versions ? |
| 13:39.19 | goxboxlive | BabelO: works with Universal too :-) |
| 13:40.11 | goxboxlive | espskog: use this crosscompiler: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=38 |
| 13:41.02 | goxboxlive | espskog: i am histing files at linuxtogo. The older ones at gnulinux.biz is our old host site. I am about to delete them, but i dont have ftp access any more. |
| 13:41.11 | goxboxlive | wich other sites exist? |
| 13:41.17 | espskog | gobox: good to know. Thanks. |
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| 13:42.31 | espskog | gobox: i am not sure, i have stumbled upon maybe one more but I cannot remember. It was while googling yesterday. Still, I have found linuxtogo.org to be the one I ended up with :-) |
| 13:43.18 | espskog | gobox: does this crosscompiler hold allI need to compiles a sourcecode? what about includes. |
| 13:47.13 | espskog | goboxlive: oh my god...opie 1.2 was a true sight for sore eyes :-) |
| 13:47.41 | espskog | gobox: why does it always compain it cannot find modules.dep during boot ? is theat nomal ? |
| 13:52.23 | goxboxlive | i havent noticed that. |
| 13:53.10 | espskog | gobox: I can tell you that my unit is ok. It was the WM versions which caused the trouble. :-) |
| 13:53.30 | espskog | gobox: reinstalled an old WM5 and all was okay again with the hares loader |
| 14:02.32 | espskog | goboxlie: Can you let me in on how to get wlan0 of wifi0 and how do I switch from terminal 0 back to GUI in Opie1.2 ? What is the keystroke.. |
| 14:05.12 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 14:08.20 | BabelO | hi Kevin2 |
| 14:08.37 | espskog | Hi |
| 14:09.47 | Kevin2 | BabelO - are you still having random crashes with your omap850 machine? |
| 14:10.44 | BabelO | Kevin2: long time i haven't ested, working on qtopia actually to have modem working |
| 14:11.24 | BabelO | Kevin2: last time i try under linux, yes it hand |
| 14:11.30 | BabelO | s/hand/hang/ |
| 14:11.40 | Kevin2 | Okay. Resetting irq masks in haret got an omap1750 to boot. There is an outside chance something similar might be affecting omap850. |
| 14:12.09 | BabelO | ah good ;) |
| 14:12.22 | BabelO | Kevin2: always in latest haret ? |
| 14:13.03 | Kevin2 | BabelO - I can make a test version if you want to see if it helps. |
| 14:14.05 | BabelO | no, thx, i ll look at my modem for magician / blueangel |
| 14:14.11 | BabelO | maybe later |
| 14:15.22 | Kevin2 | It's at http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20071006-omap850-irq.exe - I really have no idea if it will help (or even work). |
| 14:20.14 | espskog | Babel: have you any clue on how to get wlan0 working on opie1.2 ? |
| 14:20.44 | BabelO | Kevin2: ok, i try it later |
| 14:20.49 | BabelO | espskog: no idea |
| 14:21.14 | goxboxlive | espskog: open console and ifup wlan0 |
| 14:21.48 | espskog | goboxlive: nope..tried that..just says wlan0 no such device :-\ |
| 14:21.59 | espskog | gobox: should it be active in WM before starting opie ? |
| 14:22.25 | espskog | gobox: i cannot seem to find any modules or scrfipts for the wlan0 interface in the filesystem either |
| 14:23.13 | goxboxlive | espskog: modprobe acx and then ifup wlan0 |
| 14:25.01 | espskog | gobox: yippi :) but why does it not work from gui ? (network-wlan0-start) ? maybe I should force modprobe acx during boot ... |
| 14:26.24 | espskog | Is there a more recent version of OPIE than 1.2 which I can use on Universal ? I saw that 1.2.3 is out. |
| 14:34.46 | goxboxlive | it is .1.2.3 u are using |
| 14:39.00 | espskog | gobox: man, that's what I also found out when i looked into the system settings :-) |
| 14:39.10 | espskog | sorry about that :) |
| 14:39.33 | espskog | opie1.2.3 was _exactly_ the type of image I was looking for.. i'm in heaven.... |
| 14:52.16 | cr2 | hi |
| 14:52.24 | goxboxlive | hi cr2 |
| 14:52.34 | goxboxlive | i am not able to build roadmap |
| 14:53.23 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. Does anyone else find that the OE recipes are perpetually broken in one way or another? |
| 14:54.11 | cr2 | Kevin2: yes. they say it's normal for a .dev repositary ;-) |
| 14:54.23 | espskog | goboxlive: Is it possible to "update" the linux distro in opie.1.2.3 to have more command and stuff ? I want it to have as much linux binaris and packages as possible to get it as close to a "normal" server. |
| 14:54.34 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the current CVS ? for qtopia4 ? |
| 14:54.55 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 14:54.58 | cr2 | espskog: use .ipk |
| 14:55.19 | cr2 | espskog: opie is only the fb gui, and afaik it is "complete" |
| 14:56.39 | cr2 | Kevin2: i can't even start 'bitbake' anymore, because it requests some bizarre packages which i don't have. |
| 14:59.37 | Kevin2 | xgcc: /home/kevin/src/xv6700/oe/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-uclibcgnueabi/lib/.libs/libintl.so: No such file or directory |
| 14:59.37 | Kevin2 | The above is what I get -- the libintl.so is in lib/ not lib/.libs/ -- I have no idea how to fix that. |
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| 15:05.17 | espskog | cr2: for instance, the "man" command is gone. Not that I desperately want it, but it shows that something are not there. |
| 15:06.43 | goxboxlive | cr2: pastebin.no/2660 what to do?? |
| 15:07.44 | espskog | cr2: well fuck me sideways....this is just awaesome :-) |
| 15:08.02 | cr2 | goxboxlive: are you crosscompiling ? |
| 15:08.03 | goxboxlive | cr2: ingen regel til å skape mål means no rule to make target : |
| 15:08.14 | goxboxlive | oooh i always forget |
| 15:08.24 | cr2 | use LANG=C make ... |
| 15:08.44 | goxboxlive | cr2: write the whole line i shall use to compile |
| 15:14.22 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i don't understand what are you compiling :) |
| 15:15.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: i am trying to compile roadmap from xanadux. Your and tsdogs version |
| 15:16.46 | goxboxlive | i want to test roadmap on universal |
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| 15:18.45 | cr2 | goxboxlive: but you are onbiously _not_ crosscompiling ? "linuxserver" is an x86 machine ? |
| 15:18.52 | cr2 | s/onb/ob/ |
| 15:19.20 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes u right, then just show me how i shall compile it :-) |
| 15:20.13 | cr2 | where are your qtopia4 headers ? |
| 15:20.37 | goxboxlive | /usr/include/qt4 |
| 15:20.39 | cr2 | since there is no .bb you need to do many things by hand. |
| 15:20.49 | cr2 | on the host machine ?? |
| 15:20.56 | goxboxlive | pastebin.no/2661 |
| 15:21.01 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 15:21.21 | cr2 | but you need the toolchain and the headers for the target machine. |
| 15:21.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:21.50 | cr2 | QTDIR=/usr |
| 15:21.56 | cr2 | this does not look right |
| 15:22.10 | goxboxlive | no, i can link it to the QTopia source |
| 15:22.10 | cr2 | do |
| 15:22.46 | cr2 | LANG=C make DESKTOP=QPE4 QTDIR=/where/is/your/qtopia/... |
| 15:22.58 | cr2 | some things will be broken, so we will fix them. |
| 15:23.10 | goxboxlive | ok thx |
| 15:23.14 | cr2 | sorry. |
| 15:23.36 | cr2 | LANG=C make CROSS=/opt/toolchains/arm920t-eabi/bin/arm-linux- DESKTOP=QPE4 QTDIR=/where/is/your/qtopia/... |
| 15:26.50 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 15:38.14 | cr2 | goxboxlive: how to disable the silly boot splash ? |
| 15:39.13 | goxboxlive | cr2: :-) add psaplsh=false to your cmd line in your default.txt |
| 15:39.22 | goxboxlive | psplash=false |
| 15:39.56 | cr2 | it is 'psplash=1' now. |
| 15:40.02 | cr2 | psplash=0 ? |
| 15:41.39 | goxboxlive | yes i use =false |
| 15:41.43 | cr2 | ok. |
| 15:43.43 | cr2 | goxboxlive: does the roadmap compile ? |
| 15:43.50 | goxboxlive | no :-( |
| 15:43.55 | cr2 | i may try it myself. |
| 15:44.09 | goxboxlive | good, then upload the ipk file |
| 15:44.10 | cr2 | only the latest linking stage should fail |
| 15:44.28 | cr2 | but then i may just copy the qtopia4 libs from your opie2 image. |
| 15:44.45 | cr2 | ok, i need to update the CVS first. |
| 15:44.49 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 15:44.50 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 15:44.59 | cr2 | my CVS is broken... |
| 15:45.02 | goxboxlive | i saw that tsdogs where using it on his uni |
| 15:45.07 | cr2 | well, but the gui should work anyway. |
| 15:45.40 | cr2 | the utf8 is broken for some reason there. |
| 15:45.55 | cr2 | afair there is only 1 font to pick. |
| 15:46.10 | cr2 | and it is utf8-compliant. |
| 15:46.25 | cr2 | need to wait for tsdogs to check that. |
| 15:47.33 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:48.19 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i may compile the binary. it's a bit early to make an ipk. |
| 15:48.39 | cr2 | we need to check with BabelO what "external" config files are really needed. |
| 15:48.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 15:51.15 | Kevin2 | pH5: Are you around? |
| 15:53.51 | pH5 | Kevin2: yes |
| 15:54.03 | BabelO | hi cr2 ,hi pH5 |
| 15:54.08 | pH5 | hi |
| 15:56.17 | cr2 | BabelO: hi. can you compile the latest CVS version of roadmap ? |
| 15:56.23 | cr2 | hi pH5 |
| 15:57.03 | BabelO | cr2: i try |
| 15:57.59 | Kevin2 | pH5: Hi. In your omap15xx stuff, you suggested that there were 9 DMA registers. But, in the wililo code they only shutdown 8. Do you know which is right? |
| 15:58.04 | cr2 | goxboxlive: one more mistake ;) not CROSS, but CROSS_COMPILE=~/stuff/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- |
| 15:58.12 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:59.03 | Kevin2 | pH5: Also, do you think not clearing irq masks might be causing the omap850 failures? (Clearing the masks fixed omap15xx boot.) |
| 15:59.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: it compiles better now :) but i need arm- expat library ;) |
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| 16:01.18 | pH5 | Kevin2: my omap15xx information is just from the linux kernel (arch/arm/plat-omap/dma.c) |
| 16:01.28 | goxboxlive | cr2: QTOPIADIR is qtopia and QTDIR is the ones on /usr/qt ? |
| 16:02.12 | pH5 | Kevin2: about the omap850 hang-ups, I'm not sure. shouldn't hurt to try it with clearing the irq masks. |
| 16:02.57 | pH5 | Kevin2: BabelO said that the old wizard kernels worked for him without hickups, so that might be a sign it's not haret's fault. |
| 16:03.00 | cr2 | goxboxlive: wait. |
| 16:03.12 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the makefile is a bit weird anyway. |
| 16:04.00 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 16:04.08 | Kevin2 | pH5: I put a test version at http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20071006-omap850-irq.exe if you want to try it. |
| 16:04.19 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i think they should be the same. |
| 16:05.16 | cr2 | undefined reference to `roadmap_log' |
| 16:05.21 | cr2 | bizarre ;) |
| 16:05.22 | pH5 | Kevin2: thx, will do |
| 16:06.08 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:09.36 | cr2 | goxboxlive: LANG=C make CROSS_COMPILE=~/stuff/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- DESKTOP=QPE4 QTOPIADIR=~/qtopia-opensource-4.3.0/qtopiacore/qt/src/ SHAPEFILES=NO EXPAT=NO RANLIB=~/stuff/tmp/cross/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-ranlib LDFLAGS='-L ~/stuff/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib' |
| 16:09.56 | cr2 | but still there are some problems with qtopia headers/libs |
| 16:10.04 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:10.37 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. Looks like arch/arm/mach-omap1/irq.c does the same irq mask clearing anyway.. |
| 16:19.40 | goxboxlive | it still dosnt compile |
| 16:25.13 | BabelO | cr2: does not compile now :( |
| 16:28.54 | cr2 | BabelO: tsdogs made some changes in the qt4/Makefile which i don't quite understand. |
| 16:29.08 | cr2 | i mean the purpose of these changes. |
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| 16:38.15 | cr2 | BabelO: what is the purpose of such construct: LIBS += -L$(QTDIR)/lib -L$(QTOPIADIR)/lib |
| 16:41.36 | BabelO | cr2: because in qtopia build there is qtopiacore/target/ and /lib |
| 16:42.00 | BabelO | directory depot/lib is for qtopia and qtopiacore is for qt |
| 16:46.43 | cr2 | hmm. why do you need QTDIR ? |
| 16:47.18 | BabelO | in my modified makefile i don't need it |
| 16:47.29 | cr2 | ok, so how should i define them, relative to the qtopia build root ? |
| 16:48.42 | BabelO | cr2: i don't know, actually to build roadmap, i need to specify one by one each library needed with -lxxxx |
| 16:49.36 | cr2 | ok, so have you compiled it now ? |
| 16:51.32 | BabelO | no just missing this error libqtroadmap.a(moc_qt_main.o):(.rodata+0x1ac): undefined reference to `typeinfo for QMainWindow' |
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| 17:05.42 | dcordes | ~logs |
| 17:05.43 | apt | well, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 17:18.16 | BabelO | cr2: ok all is built ;) |
| 17:24.25 | BabelO | cr2: it look so nice ;) |
| 17:28.07 | BabelO | cr2: raodmap say no map visible :( i m at correct position |
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| 17:37.27 | goxboxlive | BabelO: where u able to build rodmap? |
| 17:39.02 | BabelO | goxboxlive: from CVS |
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| 17:50.22 | goxboxlive | BabelO: I know, but did it compile? |
| 17:50.49 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes, i fix some Makefile issue and it is ok now |
| 17:51.31 | goxboxlive | ok, can you mail me the binary file so i cab test it on universal? |
| 17:53.06 | BabelO | hummm, not sure, i do lot of thing last time too, i can give you access to my build dir over ftp if you want, i ve to go out to look rugby at pub with some beer ;) |
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| 18:02.46 | goxboxlive | yes give me access please |
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| 18:06.04 | tsdogs | hi all |
| 18:13.10 | BabelO | goxboxlive: ftp://invite:invite@82.238.28.28:7147 |
| 18:13.17 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 18:15.54 | goxboxlive | BabelO: done, thx |
| 18:16.30 | BabelO | :) goxboxlive don't forget you need some additionnal library |
| 18:17.11 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:17.45 | pH5 | Kevin2: just for the record, it still hangs with the irq mask cleared. |
| 18:21.26 | pH5 | BabelO: unfortunately, I can't get the wizard kernel to work here, either. it always hangs before entering userspace (even oabi ones) |
| 18:22.00 | pH5 | BabelO: did you do any tests/bisecting between hh.org+artemis / wizard to find out the reason for the strange hangups? |
| 18:26.17 | BabelO | pH5: i diff each directories one by one, but not find the error :( |
| 18:26.55 | BabelO | maybe it is because of some driver built in ? when i press screen it hang like if irq freeze the whole device |
| 18:30.06 | pH5 | hm.. I can tap the screen just fine |
| 18:30.20 | pH5 | but it seems to hang itself earlier when I use usbc/g_ether |
| 18:31.35 | pH5 | though nothing appears in the ts input device |
| 18:32.09 | BabelO | pH5: i have declared struc for tsc2046 and its irq too |
| 18:33.11 | BabelO | bbl |
| 18:33.35 | pH5 | ah, I have only CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_ADS7846=y and no configuration. gotta change that and try again. |
| 18:36.00 | cr2 | pH5: do you know something about the ts spi port ? |
| 18:36.50 | cr2 | goxboxlive: can you compile roadmap now ? |
| 18:37.35 | goxboxlive | cr2: no, i got BabelO's binary |
| 18:38.48 | pH5 | cr2: nah, for now I'd be happy to register the pen-down interrupt. |
| 18:39.59 | cr2 | goxboxlive: does it work ? |
| 18:41.09 | goxboxlive | cr2: no i cant test it, i miss libpopts.so |
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| 18:47.08 | tsdogs | hi |
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| 19:02.31 | cr2 | hi tsdogs |
| 19:02.51 | cr2 | goxboxlive: you have oe, so you can compile libpopt.so |
| 19:03.50 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes, but what do i have to build to let it build? |
| 19:07.00 | goxboxlive | cr2: i found it, but OE is broekn for me now. The crosscompiler where updated and it breaks when trying to build it |
| 19:07.14 | cr2 | ./packages/popt/popt_1.7.bb |
| 19:07.30 | cr2 | can't you get the ipk ? |
| 19:07.39 | cr2 | for angstrom |
| 19:14.12 | goxboxlive | yes i have fuond it |
| 19:19.43 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:/usr/lib$ /opt/Qtopia/bin/qtroadmap -qws |
| 19:19.43 | goxboxlive | s## roadmap_option.c, line 490: illegal option -qws |
| 19:19.43 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:/usr/lib$ |
| 19:20.51 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: can't you run it after qtopia is running? |
| 19:21.59 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes i am running Qtopia. but i start it from ssh |
| 19:22.23 | tsdogs | ok simply run qtroadmap, it should attach to qtopia... |
| 19:24.27 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've seen in the logs of BabelO that there is only 1 font family on qtopia4 |
| 19:25.58 | tsdogs | yep dejavu something... |
| 19:27.55 | cr2 | does the qpf2 support utf8 ? |
| 19:28.16 | tsdogs | nope, it seems not |
| 19:28.18 | cr2 | btw, why doesn't it use .ttf instead ? |
| 19:28.32 | cr2 | opie was using .ttf |
| 19:28.38 | tsdogs | I have no idea, maybe it needs some freetype deps |
| 19:29.29 | cr2 | is it possible to edit qpf fonts ? |
| 19:29.43 | cr2 | is there some viewer ? |
| 19:29.49 | tsdogs | Actually I have not checked |
| 19:29.54 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: |
| 19:29.57 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:/usr/lib$ /opt/Qtopia/bin/qtroadmap |
| 19:29.57 | goxboxlive | s** roadmap_config.c, line 719: found no 'preferences' config file, check RoadMap installation |
| 19:29.57 | goxboxlive | s== roadmap_start.c, line 1188: RoadMap starting, time 21:30 |
| 19:29.57 | goxboxlive | DejaVu Sans Condensed |
| 19:29.57 | goxboxlive | QPaintDevice::metrics: Device has no metric information |
| 19:29.58 | goxboxlive | Unrecognised metric -1097532756! |
| 19:30.00 | goxboxlive | QPaintDevice::metrics: Device has no metric information |
| 19:30.02 | goxboxlive | Unrecognised metric -1097532516! |
| 19:30.04 | goxboxlive | s## roadmap_layer.c, line 1173: could not load any class |
| 19:30.08 | goxboxlive | Segmentation fault |
| 19:30.10 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:/usr/lib$ |
| 19:30.21 | cr2 | http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/DejaVu_for_Opie/Qtopia |
| 19:30.26 | cr2 | goxboxlive: it's ok. |
| 19:30.39 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok you need some files for config... |
| 19:30.56 | cr2 | tsdogs: where should we put the class aka Polish ? |
| 19:31.20 | tsdogs | right now in /usr/local/share/roadmap/default I think. |
| 19:32.06 | tsdogs | but /etc/roadmap should also work |
| 19:33.35 | cr2 | tsdogs: do we have the required icons ? |
| 19:33.43 | cr2 | .svg comes into mind. |
| 19:34.02 | tsdogs | on qvfb it works with png |
| 19:34.52 | cr2 | When you build qt-embedded, make sure that qt is configured to support TTF fonts (no QT_NO_FREETYPE in the qconfig.h you use) |
| 19:34.57 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: you can get them here: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/roadmap/roadmap_share.tar untar it into /usr/local/share |
| 19:35.34 | tsdogs | cr2: ok, I'm in the task of setting up the qtopia arm build |
| 19:35.50 | cr2 | If you want to use non-latin characters, don't |
| 19:35.50 | cr2 | forget the 'u' option in<br> |
| 19:35.50 | cr2 | the font description.<br> |
| 19:38.00 | tsdogs | cr2: no idea about what you are talking about... |
| 19:39.00 | cr2 | how opie created qpf fonts from .ttf |
| 19:40.23 | tsdogs | ok |
| 19:40.39 | tsdogs | I need to check that... |
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| 20:27.42 | cr2 | tsdogs: are you jumping on the universal ? |
| 20:28.05 | tsdogs | nope was setting up the second video... |
| 20:30.02 | tsdogs | configurinf qtopia cross... will take a while :( |
| 20:35.53 | tsdogs | cr2: -font 'dejavu_sans_condensed:*:*' it's a config option which fonts to build (in the source there is also dejavu and dejavu_mono' |
| 20:36.17 | tsdogs | qtopia-core seems to have more fonts (??) |
| 20:37.30 | cr2 | hmm. why not just use ttf directly ? |
| 20:37.38 | cr2 | afair opie does just that. |
| 21:17.44 | cr2 | tsdogs: we should revisit the decluttering issue, because it will certainly overload the universal. |
| 21:21.31 | tsdogs | cr2: what issue? I thought u disabled it. |
| 21:24.15 | cr2 | yes, but usualy you don't want to see all map features at the top zoom level |
| 21:24.49 | cr2 | we should adjust the upper values in the 'class' file |
| 21:24.50 | tsdogs | cr2: yes, it's slow on my pc :/ too |
| 21:25.05 | tsdogs | cr2: yes |
| 21:25.15 | cr2 | and the label cache is unhappy. |
| 21:25.43 | tsdogs | does the label cache use the declutter function too? |
| 21:25.49 | cr2 | btw, i still think that there should be only 1 labeling code. |
| 21:25.51 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:26.36 | cr2 | have you seen that trolls have a qt4 version for wince ? |
| 21:26.38 | tsdogs | :( qtopia failed building |
| 21:26.45 | tsdogs | yes a preview |
| 21:27.06 | cr2 | it seems that the win32 and wince version are redundant. |
| 21:27.30 | cr2 | the gtk version can't even do rotated text. |
| 21:29.25 | tsdogs | i c |
| 21:31.24 | cr2 | i've found out how to work around the segfault in the tiff with compressed tiles. |
| 21:32.04 | cr2 | the bug is 2 years old, and is not fixed. |
| 21:32.44 | tsdogs | :) |
| 21:32.48 | cr2 | unfortunately it's not very efficient. |
| 21:33.30 | tsdogs | I have not gone any further yet. |
| 21:33.44 | cr2 | because you must create the uncompressed image. |
| 21:33.57 | cr2 | and here you'll be hit by the 4GB limit. |
| 21:34.27 | cr2 | have you implemented the draw_image() ? |
| 21:34.27 | tsdogs | btw if we use tiles for drawing should we still draw all the layers |
| 21:34.57 | cr2 | which layers ? |
| 21:35.18 | tsdogs | cr2: image drawing on canvas code is there, but no gdal code yet |
| 21:35.23 | tsdogs | roadmap... |
| 21:35.38 | tsdogs | layers (roads, lakes and so on) |
| 21:37.15 | cr2 | don't hurry with the gdal code. |
| 21:37.46 | tsdogs | ok, but why then the draw_image is needed? |
| 21:37.56 | cr2 | hmm. which layers to show depends only on the 'class' aka Polish |
| 21:38.29 | tsdogs | cr2: ok, so when implemented we can decide which one to skip or not ... |
| 21:38.36 | cr2 | because drawing image and retrieving image are two separate tasks. |
| 21:39.01 | cr2 | yes, you don't need to change the program fo disabling layers. |
| 21:39.09 | cr2 | just change the style. |
| 21:39.34 | tsdogs | cr2: ok. |
| 21:40.30 | cr2 | btw, if the raster tile rendering is enabled, you can just dump the tile number+zoom to _log, or to an info line. |
| 21:41.00 | cr2 | instead of actually picking the tile and drawing it on the canvas. |
| 21:41.43 | cr2 | i'm trying to make the 'index.rdm' work |
| 21:41.51 | tsdogs | ok but that's for debug I guess. |
| 21:43.26 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:44.22 | cr2 | it's effectively equivalent to showing the lat/lon bounding box |
| 21:44.45 | tsdogs | cr2: I also have the code to draw the image to the canvas, (that's easy). retriving the tile that I think is the dificult part |
| 21:45.40 | cr2 | retrieving the tile is easy :) |
| 21:46.13 | cr2 | i think setting the scaling limits, and limiting vector code to fixed zoom levels is more difficult. |
| 21:47.01 | tsdogs | ok probably the zoom part is the most dificult one |
| 21:47.17 | cr2 | btw, can you just take some semitranparent pattern, and draw it on the canvas as "tiles" ? |
| 21:47.34 | cr2 | for the given zoom limit. |
| 21:47.44 | tsdogs | cr2: with qt4 yes, no idea about qtopia |
| 21:47.44 | cr2 | it can be seen as a debugging tool too. |
| 21:47.54 | cr2 | is qtopia that different ? |
| 21:48.16 | cr2 | not zoom limit, but zoom level. |
| 21:48.31 | tsdogs | many things are removed by default, but I think transparency is there. |
| 21:49.31 | tsdogs | cr2: my mistake, zoom level (making them match is really dificult) |
| 21:50.11 | cr2 | yes, but then we may change the map building process. |
| 21:50.25 | cr2 | to match the google tiling model. |
| 21:50.46 | cr2 | and then we need to switch from microdegress to spherical mercator meters. |
| 21:51.13 | tsdogs | I'm glad that's your work :) |
| 21:51.22 | cr2 | hmm. i'd like to have a working copy first. |
| 21:51.45 | cr2 | so i can just drive with it around and look how it works. |
| 21:52.23 | cr2 | well, from this practical point of view, the poi labels is the most important thing, it seems. |
| 21:52.26 | tsdogs | to me it seems usable, once it's cross compiled |
| 21:52.34 | cr2 | ok :) |
| 21:52.55 | cr2 | i was impressed with your movie, anyway :D |
| 21:53.10 | tsdogs | :) |
| 21:53.28 | cr2 | so, the decluttering and poi labels will make it really useful. |
| 21:54.55 | tsdogs | the poi labels are though, should we go for the places or stick with 0point lines? |
| 21:55.37 | cr2 | places are broken. |
| 21:55.43 | tsdogs | If 0 size lines, then I think we could simply have an option to enable drawing of pois |
| 21:56.28 | cr2 | there are "personal landmarks" which are labeled, but it's not very smart idea in general, because they are read from .gpx |
| 21:57.01 | tsdogs | what I mean, is to have the layer with pois that forces to draw the label, an then use the declut for deciding wether to draw or not. |
| 21:57.06 | cr2 | yes, the labeling code should not just pull away, if from==to. |
| 21:57.43 | cr2 | then even the decluttering logic will survive (length ~0, but not 0) |
| 21:57.47 | tsdogs | it is 'cause of it uses a bounding box for labels, so not to interphere one each other, and to fit |
| 21:58.34 | cr2 | for me the labeling code should be just "draw the string with this pen, at this location" |
| 21:59.15 | tsdogs | you mean at the center of the location? |
| 21:59.22 | cr2 | maybe checking for label collisions, taking into account the label priority (depending on the zoom level) and consulting the cache. |
| 21:59.57 | cr2 | yes. then labeling the line will not differ from labeling the poi. |
| 22:00.06 | cr2 | sprites can wait :) |
| 22:00.10 | tsdogs | I'll see how to remove this limits |
| 22:00.23 | cr2 | usually they just spam the map anyway. |
| 22:00.40 | cr2 | and the limited number of "personal" pois can be done even now with the gpx. |
| 22:01.03 | tsdogs | cr2: why not use a different file for pois? |
| 22:01.21 | cr2 | to have 1 db. |
| 22:02.00 | cr2 | because the lines are stored as a set of points too. |
| 22:02.01 | tsdogs | ok, but suppose I want to import pois from somewhere, but then I don't like them and want to remove them. |
| 22:02.25 | cr2 | under pois i mean city/village names. |
| 22:02.33 | cr2 | they are really important. |
| 22:03.03 | cr2 | not just some mcdonalds junkfood outlet ;) |
| 22:03.20 | tsdogs | cr2: ho ok, but city and village ain't pois, they are more like borders... |
| 22:03.33 | cr2 | but they are point |
| 22:03.42 | cr2 | by their geometry. |
| 22:04.23 | cr2 | yes, they have some administrative borders, but don't hope to get them for all the areas you want. |
| 22:04.28 | tsdogs | cr2: what would happen if I zoom in into a city? only on the "center" of the poi I see the name of the city, but not when I move around |
| 22:04.39 | tsdogs | cr2: ho ok |
| 22:04.57 | cr2 | the city name does not matter at "low" zooms. |
| 22:05.17 | tsdogs | ok, true |
| 22:05.21 | cr2 | look how the openstreetmap's "mapnik" tile is done :) |
| 22:06.06 | cr2 | actually, on the map you have the city had the border, and the city "polygon" behind it. |
| 22:06.45 | cr2 | i've removed it, because it's useless and overshadows other polygon features like parks and lakes. |
| 22:07.05 | cr2 | so it also wastes cpu too. |
| 22:07.14 | tsdogs | yes the number of points limit .. |
| 22:07.30 | cr2 | it's 2^32 |
| 22:07.49 | cr2 | not an issue, if the map is properly cut into "counties" |
| 22:08.04 | tsdogs | yes. |
| 22:08.27 | cr2 | the map you have is effectively a country, not split into states and counties. |
| 22:09.05 | cr2 | it's done as 1 county, that makes it so big. |
| 22:09.34 | tsdogs | i c |
| 22:10.14 | cr2 | but it's not easy to find an open source (actually any source) for the administrative borders there. |
| 22:11.02 | cr2 | or actually elsewhere in Europe. |
| 22:11.06 | tsdogs | cr2: why not simply have squares of 100km |
| 22:11.14 | tsdogs | or something like that |
| 22:11.17 | cr2 | the TIGER is good in this respect. |
| 22:11.37 | cr2 | searching for names is then easier. |
| 22:12.04 | cr2 | you can assign them in bulk using postgis or such, if you know the bounding polygon. |
| 22:12.42 | cr2 | country,region,subregion,village is a standard search pattern |
| 22:13.21 | cr2 | country,region,subregion,village/town/city,street,house_number |
| 22:14.15 | tsdogs | bbiaf |
| 22:23.51 | tsdogs | back |
| 22:35.03 | cr2 | ok. let's forget about utf8 now. |
| 22:41.00 | tsdogs | ok |
| 23:14.58 | cr2 | good night. |
| 23:15.20 | tsdogs | good night |
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