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| 03:50.05 | devianTz | hello |
| 03:51.31 | devianTz | how do you guys mount your SD card under *nix? I never figured it out... |
| 03:51.40 | devianTz | or the phone itself? |
| 03:55.11 | Kevin2 | devianTz: I have a USB multi card reader. When I plug it into usb it comes up as a new hard drive. |
| 03:56.26 | devianTz | I have one too...but doesnt seem to support the micro SD card the hermes takes =\ |
| 03:56.35 | devianTz | I may need an adapter of some sort |
| 03:57.50 | ImCoKeMaN | so anyone know how well htc devices with linux work with aircrack type tools? |
| 03:58.30 | Kevin2 | My microsd card came with a regular sized SD adapter. |
| 04:00.05 | devianTz | Hm...im sure they sell the adapter alone |
| 04:01.11 | ImCoKeMaN | nothing wrong with extra storage though get a new bigger one |
| 04:01.32 | devianTz | I have a 2gb card....plenty for me |
| 04:06.32 | devianTz | Kevin2: Did you upload a more current build of the kernel bundle? |
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| 04:08.18 | Kevin2 | devianTz: Yes. |
| 04:08.50 | devianTz | alright thanks |
| 04:09.37 | devianTz | brb |
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| 04:25.37 | devianTz | After I plug the cable in on kernel boot, I see the phone say usb0 setup fine, etc....then on my pc I run ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.1 but it can't find usb0...any ideas why? |
| 04:31.41 | Kevin2 | You probably need to load the right driver on your host. |
| 04:31.47 | Kevin2 | Good night. |
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| 07:01.52 | rakeem | Hello? Sorry, I'm gonna be a bit dumb for a few minutes... Long time since I was on IRC.... |
| 07:02.12 | rakeem | ...or am I shouting into the void? |
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| 07:07.38 | the_greatest_dan | hello? |
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| 09:35.55 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 09:36.00 | goxboxlive | cr2_are you here? |
| 09:51.48 | cr2_ | yes, for a short time :) |
| 09:52.58 | the_greatest_dan | Wow... People! |
| 09:53.45 | the_greatest_dan | ...and the famous goxboxlive... I take my hat off to you sir.... |
| 09:54.38 | the_greatest_dan | My first time on the channel... I'm usually a silent forum-surfer, but I'm starting to get my hands dirty... |
| 09:56.58 | rakeem | Hey, goxbox, you there? |
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| 10:01.11 | goxboxlive | cr2_ listen to thnis: I left my universal running QTopia yesterday when i went to bed. The battery was full, and i left it in suspend mode. |
| 10:01.22 | rakeem | Go on.... |
| 10:01.53 | goxboxlive | cr2_ Today when i was of to work i checked my universal, but the battery was empty. |
| 10:02.33 | goxboxlive | cr2_ How can we improve the battery liftime? There has to be something we can do? I think wit WINCE it last for oevr 4 days. |
| 10:02.45 | the_greatest_dan | Yeah, I've had the battery run down even when connected to power... |
| 10:03.47 | goxboxlive | the_greatest_dan: I shall not have credit for the Linux on Universal . I just merge everything toghether. Most of the work is done by cr2_, he is the one who shall have all the credit. |
| 10:03.57 | the_greatest_dan | I don't think CPU speed scaling is enabled by default in any of the off-the-peg installs.... |
| 10:04.12 | goxboxlive | rakeem: yes i am here |
| 10:04.45 | rakeem | Ah, sorry, greatest_dan is me... Testing a new IRC client.... |
| 10:04.47 | rakeem | Sorry... |
| 10:05.39 | rakeem | So cr2 is the low-level guru....? Nice work by all anyway.... |
| 10:05.53 | rakeem | I've a question if you've got time.... |
| 10:07.08 | goxboxlive | rakeem go on |
| 10:07.31 | rakeem | Wifi..... |
| 10:07.38 | rakeem | Very dodgy.... |
| 10:08.13 | rakeem | It works, for a while, but any volume of traffic, such as installing ipkgs nails it. Locks up. |
| 10:09.12 | rakeem | I'm getting lots of system messages which seem to indicate a driver issue.... |
| 10:10.18 | rakeem | I've tried (trial and error) different acx firmware files, and have rebuild the driver and kernel to 2.6.21hh15 + 16 and it's still the same.... |
| 10:10.46 | goxboxlive | rakeem: Yes wifi is unstable. I dont know why. With the 2.6.16 kernel wifi where alot more stable, but something chaged and it becomed unstable as it is today. |
| 10:11.12 | goxboxlive | If you want to install apps i will recommend you to use USB0 (ssh). It stable as rock. |
| 10:11.29 | rakeem | I seem to remember having this problem before (about a year ago, I've just got my Uni fixed), but I managed to sort it when I was able to cross-compile a new one.... |
| 10:11.39 | goxboxlive | The firmware is the same AFAIK. |
| 10:11.53 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 10:12.37 | rakeem | I guessed as much. The acx firmware relates to the baseband hardware etc. and shouldn't matter, even on another OS yeah? |
| 10:12.46 | rakeem | Clutching at straws.... |
| 10:14.28 | rakeem | I Googled, but it was way too deep for me. Seems what's coming off the chip isn't right: "Not word-aligned".... |
| 10:14.50 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: we need to check each driver if it suspends properly. |
| 10:15.27 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: if the 2.6.16 driver was more stable we need to resurrect it. what was the exact driver version ? |
| 10:15.31 | rakeem | Any idea how / when / if this is likely to be resolved? Should I start being nice to cr2? ;-) |
| 10:16.02 | cr2_ | rakeem: when TI will provide the chipset docs ;-) |
| 10:16.06 | rakeem | The old one? I think I've still got the fs tree here.... Hang on.... |
| 10:17.25 | cr2_ | rakeem: it's a just kernel module, so you can compile the older version. maybe with some minor changes. |
| 10:17.30 | rakeem | You have no idea.... I am getting so pissed off with this shit.... Now even the large vendors are jumping on the Linux bandwagon, like Motorola, taking the community's efforts and spitting back binary-blobs and closed hardware. |
| 10:17.51 | rakeem | This is the next thing the EU courts should be looking at I reckon. |
| 10:18.11 | cr2_ | motorola became better than it was before. |
| 10:18.35 | cr2_ | TI makes a lot of problems. |
| 10:18.39 | rakeem | I reckon that phone technology is about 4-5 years behind where it should be 'cos of this nonsense.... |
| 10:18.56 | rakeem | Yeah, they're one of the worst apparently.... |
| 10:19.02 | cr2_ | we will see what will happen with the qualcomm msm7x00 cpus. |
| 10:19.42 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: do you know if razr v8 uses qtopia4 ? |
| 10:19.45 | rakeem | I've got my eye on the Neo73 / Openmoko / FI(?) guys... |
| 10:20.03 | cr2_ | FIC |
| 10:20.15 | rakeem | I'm pretty sure it uses Qtopia, but not sure what v.. |
| 10:20.20 | cr2_ | but i must admit that HTC makes better hardware. |
| 10:20.33 | rakeem | HTC hardware is gorgeous. |
| 10:20.44 | cr2_ | rakeem: it's qtopia. but it may be qtopia2 like on the a780 |
| 10:21.46 | rakeem | I've often wondered how HTC engineers must feel when they've worked so hard designing these beautiful little handhelds, to see them immediately infected with that crap from Redmond.... |
| 10:22.44 | rakeem | I mean, the Uni simply cannot be used a phone, especially in business, with that joke running on it... |
| 10:24.00 | goxboxlive | cr2_ the driver versioni have no idea. But i think it is included in my old images at Funklord ftp server. |
| 10:24.22 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: we should recover it. |
| 10:24.34 | rakeem | Playing a wav file, rotating the FB and answering a call are often too much... Ri-<choke>-ng ri-i... ...i-ng.... "One missed call!".... |
| 10:24.38 | goxboxlive | cr2_ Yes, we need to do that very soon, since we now have allmost everything working. I am also close to have UMTS working with Qtopia i think. |
| 10:24.46 | cr2_ | the fw patches are of really questionable quality. |
| 10:24.55 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 10:24.56 | cr2_ | bbl |
| 10:24.56 | goxboxlive | cr2_ i have never heard of the phone. |
| 10:25.20 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: a780 is better. imho :) |
| 10:25.24 | rakeem | I mean the Uni running WM.... |
| 10:26.01 | rakeem | Yeah, they're cute.... Is that the one with the transparent flap that you can see the antenna in? |
| 10:30.46 | rakeem | You still there? |
| 10:33.07 | rakeem | I've just dug out the acx.ko and htcuniversal_acx.ko that were working for me last year (monitor mode too) and running 'strings' on them shows they're 2.6.18-hh1 |
| 10:35.36 | rakeem | Also, what's a good IRC client for linux? I haven't used IRC for years and I just fired up KSirc that came with my distro.... |
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| 10:38.34 | BabelO | hi |
| 10:38.39 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 10:40.14 | rakeem | Hi Babel... |
| 10:41.28 | BabelO | hi rakeem |
| 10:43.53 | rakeem | Anyone know if the effort to get linux running on the smartphones is a serious project, or just a proof-of-concept? |
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| 11:09.21 | goxboxlive | BabelOhi, now, did you get any further with the phone last night? |
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| 11:21.14 | rakeem | Oh yeah, one more question.... What're the Universal specific modules for? e.g. acx.ko requires htcuniversal_acx.ko...... |
| 11:30.34 | rakeem | Hey, nice one goxbox, you put a VNC server on the new build...! |
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| 11:45.15 | rakeem | You use tor for IRC? I should give it a go.... |
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| 12:09.32 | goxboxlive | rakeem? IRC? int's not included in the OpieII image. It doesnt exist yet. |
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| 12:50.00 | rakeemflex | OPIE II is beginning to look pretty sweet.... |
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| 13:47.31 | kiozen | cr2? |
| 13:52.23 | BabelO | hi kiozen |
| 13:52.33 | kiozen | hi :) |
| 13:52.39 | BabelO | did you play with roadmap ? |
| 13:52.53 | kiozen | yes a bit :) |
| 13:53.01 | kiozen | as user |
| 13:54.16 | BabelO | ok, i need to look better, it show me only a black screen :( |
| 13:55.30 | kiozen | oh, I was happy to find my example map pretty fast, now. Nothing compared to two months ago. |
| 13:58.40 | kiozen | shouldn't it show a yellow one screen when zooming out? |
| 14:06.33 | BabelO | kiozen : no , nothing :( |
| 14:06.47 | BabelO | kiozen : but it is on my phone, not on computer ;) |
| 15:09.45 | cr2_ | BabelO: hi |
| 15:09.54 | cr2_ | do you have an ipk ? |
| 15:10.01 | cr2_ | hi kiozen |
| 15:10.08 | kiozen | hi |
| 15:10.55 | kiozen | cr2: if I want to flash my zarus, where to start? opie, angstrom, opie ii |
| 15:14.08 | cr2_ | kiozen: openzaurus, but it's a bit outdated. |
| 15:14.42 | cr2_ | there is a test angstrom version, but i don't know its quality. |
| 15:15.06 | BabelO | hi cr2_, i can send you something this evening if you want to test |
| 15:15.45 | cr2_ | BabelO: i'd like to check the installation tree, and check the universal. |
| 15:17.50 | cr2_ | BabelO: i think that the 'classic' gui on roadmap does not fit well into qtopia4. |
| 15:17.50 | BabelO | cr2_ : ok, i m happy to know that universal have a working phone now, but still problme with ba |
| 15:18.03 | BabelO | cr2_ : yes, i just add a roadmap.menu file empty to remove menu and it look better |
| 15:18.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: keep magician and himalaya in mind. |
| 15:19.35 | BabelO | cr2_ : yes |
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| 17:27.39 | tsdogs | BabelO_: hi |
| 17:27.58 | tsdogs | are u experimenti with the qtopia phone edition preview? |
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| 17:41.55 | goxboxlive | hi tsdogs |
| 17:42.01 | tsdogs | hi goxboxlive |
| 17:42.11 | goxboxlive | I have it running on Universal, bith phone and sms is working now :-) |
| 17:42.27 | tsdogs | I have seen your progresses with Universal :) |
| 17:42.50 | tsdogs | Are u still building outside oe right? |
| 17:42.56 | goxboxlive | but Magician refuse to work :-( |
| 17:42.58 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:43.41 | tsdogs | I can't help u there, I have no magician :( |
| 17:43.54 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:44.15 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: but maybe you can help with system sound. It just dont want to work |
| 17:44.19 | ImCoKeMaN_ | i just have cdma stuff so i'm not expecting a miracle |
| 17:44.39 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: in uni u mean? |
| 17:45.01 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: are u using the 4.3.0 preview? |
| 17:45.05 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes, both uni, magician and BA |
| 17:45.15 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes, i have made on for download |
| 17:45.51 | goxboxlive | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcuniversal/images/O.P.I.E-II/ |
| 17:46.03 | tsdogs | ok, but I don't think I can help without having the souce compiled. I'll try it out though. Also I want to run roadmap there... |
| 17:46.41 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok downloading ... |
| 17:47.34 | goxboxlive | good |
| 17:48.47 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: any particular kernel params? |
| 17:48.57 | goxboxlive | no |
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| 17:53.14 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: if u want to reduce the size of the image u should remove all the devel packages installed ... |
| 17:53.50 | tsdogs | hi BabelO |
| 17:53.54 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: i know, but i guess thats just libstdc++ (AFAIK) |
| 17:54.05 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok |
| 17:54.12 | tsdogs | ok syncing |
| 17:55.27 | BabelO | hi tsdogs |
| 17:56.27 | BabelO | tsdogs: it seem our work on keyboard plugin is broken now |
| 17:56.51 | tsdogs | :) is not the tty0 working anymore ? |
| 17:57.34 | BabelO | tty0 don't know, maybe goxboxlive knows |
| 17:57.49 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok booting |
| 17:57.56 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: openmoko??? |
| 17:58.15 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:58.54 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: last time i tested it the phone didnt work again. And the Moko is so slow compared to Qtopia so i will stick to Qtopia until moko is more stable. |
| 17:59.19 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: I was talking about the splash screen... |
| 17:59.30 | tsdogs | hmm qtopia take pretty long to start... |
| 17:59.38 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: ohh, yes it's openmoko distro :-) |
| 17:59.40 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 18:00.01 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok booted "No Network" ... |
| 18:00.28 | tsdogs | no rotation :) |
| 18:00.48 | tsdogs | but it really looks nice :) |
| 18:00.52 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: if you add it to the startup script. I am unisng without now |
| 18:01.07 | goxboxlive | yes realy nice skin |
| 18:01.12 | goxboxlive | theme |
| 18:01.26 | tsdogs | battery works :) |
| 18:01.32 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 18:01.41 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: how do I enable the phone? |
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| 18:03.05 | goxboxlive | It should be enabled at boot |
| 18:03.20 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: what's the usb ip? |
| 18:03.40 | goxboxlive | But sometimes it doesnt, just restart QTopia |
| 18:03.46 | goxboxlive | 192.168.0.202 |
| 18:03.46 | tsdogs | hmm now it's stuk at the phone screen with "please wait..." |
| 18:03.50 | tsdogs | ok thx |
| 18:04.01 | goxboxlive | BT icon also work |
| 18:04.58 | rakeemflex | Hey goxbox, I just stumbled across some your posts from a year ago on the HTC site, when you were asking them for a couple of clues... Did they ever give you anything, 'cos I don't see even a response... |
| 18:07.26 | goxboxlive | rakeemflex: no, nothing. One pointed me to XDA-developers, that's all :-) |
| 18:07.32 | rakeemflex | Oh yeah, cheers for the new Qtopia build, it's starting to look really nice. I needed to make sure I could ssh in before starting X though, as once I'm in the phone app I can't find a way out other than killing the X server... |
| 18:07.41 | rakeemflex | Ha! |
| 18:07.57 | rakeemflex | What a twisted world.... |
| 18:08.56 | goxboxlive | Why dont you just use the quit-opie options under settings. I mean i have added that togheter with restart-opie and shutdown (wich is a menu now) |
| 18:09.04 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: where is some sound in the image? |
| 18:09.27 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: never mind found them |
| 18:09.32 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: only i can think of is "alarm" under clock |
| 18:09.37 | goxboxlive | good |
| 18:09.49 | rakeemflex | It's got me thinking back to Compaq's attitude with the original iPaq... They were hyper-cool in comparison, even contributing the first opensource bootloader if I remember right.... |
| 18:10.11 | tsdogs | .svn ??? though /opt/Qtopia/sounds/speeddial/.svn/ ??? |
| 18:10.31 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: it's merge of OpieII and Qtopia-4.3.0 |
| 18:10.37 | tsdogs | :) ok |
| 18:10.43 | rakeemflex | When the phone applet's up all I can press are numbers and the on-screen delete... I tried on VNC too.... |
| 18:10.54 | goxboxlive | so i guess it installed allthe subfolders. They are removed now in newer build |
| 18:11.15 | rakeemflex | Is it possible to run Gpe apps (like Wireshark) under Opie v1.2?? |
| 18:12.23 | goxboxlive | rakeemflex: yes, use Xqt2 |
| 18:12.37 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok dsp is working on uni... |
| 18:12.46 | goxboxlive | rakeemflex: Once i ran openmoko-dialer under Opie :-) |
| 18:12.52 | goxboxlive | ok, good |
| 18:13.19 | rakeemflex | I remember you posted that on the forum actually... Cheers... |
| 18:16.21 | rakeemflex | Anyone had a play with the smartphones? I've got a Tornado which has all the right bits for a slick machine, but dev has been real slow.... I assume it's not worth bothering trying to load the uni acx.ko to get the wifi going huh? |
| 18:16.43 | goxboxlive | no idea |
| 18:17.49 | rakeemflex | If one comes your way I'd recommend you scoop it, as it's a much better "phone" than the Uni if you're stuck with CE.... |
| 18:19.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive: battery is working for you ? |
| 18:19.43 | goxboxlive | BabelO: yes |
| 18:20.10 | goxboxlive | BabelO: for you? |
| 18:20.27 | BabelO | goxboxlive: no animation when pugged in |
| 18:20.41 | BabelO | i test first release unplugged but nothing |
| 18:21.17 | rakeemflex | If the hardware vendors maintain the status quo perhaps we should fork the project: One team reversing, another going for TI's and HTC's networks. I reckon we could have had the datasheets by now... ;-) |
| 18:21.18 | goxboxlive | BabelO: no i dont have any animation either. But the Battery icon is shown as full (100%) instead of real |
| 18:21.28 | BabelO | ok |
| 18:21.48 | rakeemflex | I had the Batt cycling the anim no matter what... |
| 18:24.57 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i just dont get it why system sound doent work. Do you have any clue why? |
| 18:25.06 | goxboxlive | is it helix dependent? |
| 18:25.24 | BabelO | goxboxlive: no, i don't think |
| 18:25.25 | goxboxlive | I have tried building witht gstreamer but it failes configure |
| 18:25.49 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i m trying multiplex plugin again |
| 18:26.04 | goxboxlive | Then waht could it be then. Tsdogs is now testing and as he says the dsp is working. |
| 18:26.16 | goxboxlive | ok good |
| 18:26.20 | cr2_ | tsdogs: hi. look at the logs :) you are asking goxboxlive the same questions as me :) |
| 18:26.33 | rakeemflex | Yeah, so what are the HTC specific .ko's for? Like htcuniversal_acx.ko? Is it to separate the muxed GPIO? |
| 18:26.37 | tsdogs | cr2_: hi :) |
| 18:26.48 | rakeemflex | Hello, sir.... |
| 18:26.56 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: it seems some alsa config problem I guess. |
| 18:27.07 | rakeemflex | I hear you're the one that's been doing all the tricky stuff... Respect... |
| 18:27.26 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: we can't expect help from htc. but at least they are not suing us so far :) |
| 18:27.41 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: but i have also tested with just oss and the same result |
| 18:27.47 | goxboxlive | BabelO: what is this: |
| 18:27.50 | goxboxlive | / This enables the use of CSMI on the TI device, instead of GMS 07.10. |
| 18:27.50 | goxboxlive | /#define QTOPIA_MUX_SECONDARY_DEVICE "/dev/csmi/6" |
| 18:27.50 | goxboxlive | /#define QTOPIA_MUX_DATA_DEVICE "/dev/csmi/8" |
| 18:27.50 | goxboxlive | /#define QTOPIA_MUX_SPARE_DEVICE "/dev/ttyXX" |
| 18:27.50 | goxboxlive | /#define QTOPIA_MUX_RAW_DEVICE "/dev/ttyXX" |
| 18:28.05 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: intellectual property and similar silly stuff. |
| 18:28.40 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i've crippled the alsa mixer config only to setup the phone output in the kernel properly. |
| 18:28.46 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: /usr/sbin/alsactl: load_state:1315: Cannot open /etc/alsa/stereoout.state for reading: No such file or directory ? |
| 18:29.09 | cr2_ | tsdogs: and there are some outdated and hardcoded headphone switches still in the driver. |
| 18:29.30 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok. |
| 18:29.45 | rakeemflex | Sue? Us? I reckon they'd end up dragging themselves and their buddies into an anti-trust suit if they tried... |
| 18:29.49 | tsdogs | is there away to tell qtopia to use DSP device? |
| 18:30.42 | cr2_ | tsdogs: it's better to use alsa mixer properly. |
| 18:30.58 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes i know, it's just to create it. Copy asound.state to /etc/alsa/ as stereoout.state |
| 18:30.59 | tsdogs | cr2_: I know, but just for a test. |
| 18:31.23 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: i think maybe ljp is the right one to answer that |
| 18:31.25 | rakeemflex | Is this a new thing, getting the DSP up? |
| 18:32.20 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: no. it's only about a proper interface between qtopia-alsa/phone and the kernel. |
| 18:32.59 | cr2_ | who is switching what and and when. and under which conditions. |
| 18:33.04 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: alsa folder is missing ... |
| 18:33.27 | goxboxlive | i know just create it. It's hardcoded in the phonevendors file |
| 18:34.13 | rakeemflex | Right, so wave output's been possible, but not tied into the OS properly? |
| 18:34.14 | tsdogs | ok |
| 18:34.47 | cr2_ | tsdogs: we have tried to run roadmap with BabelO on ba. i think the 'classic' gui is not very useful, it wastes a lot of space. |
| 18:35.26 | tsdogs | cr2_: I have seen the screenshot, and the qtopia interface should have a review, I'm open for ideas :) |
| 18:35.40 | rakeemflex | Can someone tell me how I can mount a raw SD card image (made with dd) without flashing it back to a card? Loop? |
| 18:35.44 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: the sound was hardcoded to the speaker/headset output, i've changed it to the phone. but it should be user-configurable through alsa-mixer |
| 18:36.14 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: partitioned ? |
| 18:36.25 | rakeemflex | Yeah, three.... |
| 18:36.40 | cr2_ | tsdogs: it should be some 'aygshell'-style control :) |
| 18:36.46 | rakeemflex | I think... I just wanna grab an old zImage.... |
| 18:37.10 | cr2_ | tsdogs: afair the roadmap_editor v>0.8.x uses different gui intrface. |
| 18:37.49 | tsdogs | yep with images on the screen, no menu or something like garmin/tomtom are doing. |
| 18:37.49 | rakeemflex | Unless you've got the 2.6.16-hh3 from about a year ago lying around.... |
| 18:37.52 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: zimages should be considered evil. |
| 18:37.59 | cr2_ | tsdogs: yes. |
| 18:38.21 | cr2_ | tsdogs: menu is already builtin in qtopia4 like on wince. |
| 18:38.22 | rakeemflex | Is there a way around them without nailing the bootloader? |
| 18:38.51 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: do you have cegcc and haret source installed ? |
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| 18:39.02 | tsdogs | I thought about it, but should see if it's possible to do it without breaking the compatibility with mainline |
| 18:39.30 | rakeemflex | Nope. I can feel impending enlightenment.... ;-) |
| 18:39.43 | tsdogs | cr2_: well I was more to have a general interface not really qtopia related ... |
| 18:40.22 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i've already broken my local tree trying to switch from usdir.rdm to a general index.rdm |
| 18:40.48 | rakeemflex | The reason I wanna have that old kernel available is 'cos the wlan works properly... |
| 18:40.52 | tsdogs | cr2_: well, ok but that will probably get into roadmap mainline I think. |
| 18:41.04 | tsdogs | at least this is the goal... |
| 18:42.40 | cr2_ | tsdogs: yes, but it breaks many things at once. and the map build system needs some changes because of that. but getting rid of the TIGER legacy is a very good idea. |
| 18:44.26 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok. gg home now, bbl (I hope :) |
| 18:45.11 | rakeemflex | Seeya... Good luck with it.... |
| 18:45.30 | tsdogs | rakeemflex: cya |
| 18:51.02 | rakeemflex | lkj |
| 18:51.09 | rakeemflex | \ |
| 18:52.23 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is for your settings |
| 18:53.06 | goxboxlive | BabelO: yes i know, but should we use some of it for BA? |
| 18:54.08 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes, for ba / magician and universal too as they have separate ttysx device for modem and data |
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| 18:56.19 | goxboxlive | BabelO: ok because i havent uses it |
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| 19:01.01 | BabelO | goxboxlive: http://pastebin.ca/721038 |
| 19:01.53 | cr2_ | BabelO: shoud it be hardcoded ? |
| 19:02.25 | BabelO | cr2_: yes, but we can create an external ini file or such like |
| 19:02.44 | cr2_ | BabelO: let's pick some /etc/sysconfig/whatever file |
| 19:03.59 | goxboxlive | BabelO: ok, so i set it with ttyUSB0 where you have ttyS8 and the ttyS0 is the same as on mine, right? |
| 19:04.06 | BabelO | cr2_: yes, if you want and there is also a qtopia config class to do that |
| 19:08.30 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes, put these line under your ate0 |
| 19:09.43 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 19:50.16 | goxboxlive | BabelO: where can i edit this one? I am getting it while i am launching Qtopia: Could not find org.bluez interface |
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| 19:59.35 | ovod | hi |
| 20:00.01 | BabelO | goxboxlive: you need to start dbus |
| 20:00.40 | goxboxlive | hmm, isent it running at boot? |
| 20:01.03 | goxboxlive | it was allready running |
| 20:03.21 | BabelO | goxboxlive: did you try multiplexer plugin with pastebin before ? |
| 20:03.36 | goxboxlive | on universal? no |
| 20:04.06 | goxboxlive | I am trying to have the phone set the right time |
| 20:05.13 | goxboxlive | AtChat : T : "AT@SYSTEMTIME=?" |
| 20:05.13 | goxboxlive | AtChat : F : "@SYSTEMTIME: H=0, M=0, S=15" |
| 20:07.40 | goxboxlive | cr2_: what does his mean: Abfrage/Setzen des verwendeten Zeichensatzes |
| 20:08.25 | goxboxlive | found it |
| 20:14.11 | rakeemflex | How do you stop kernel messages being sprayed all over the console again? |
| 20:20.20 | goxboxlive | edit acx_config.h something in the source. |
| 20:23.33 | rakeemflex | I mean generally, echo blah blah > /proc/blah/blah.... |
| 20:23.47 | rakeemflex | I ought to know better... ;-) |
| 20:27.20 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: request/set the codepage |
| 20:27.29 | goxboxlive | i know |
| 20:27.32 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 20:28.01 | cr2_ | i don't understand why wince sends the time so often to the modem. |
| 20:28.09 | goxboxlive | strange |
| 20:28.25 | goxboxlive | Qtopia is using /sbin/hwclock |
| 20:28.45 | cr2_ | it's a standard way |
| 20:28.55 | cr2_ | to ask the RTC about the time |
| 20:29.07 | goxboxlive | It seems like it manage to set the right date and month , but not the right year and time |
| 20:29.18 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:29.34 | goxboxlive | i thuoght the modem could adjust the time |
| 20:29.35 | rakeemflex | Would kind of make sense.... Unless it's something to do with pulling the time from the network? |
| 20:30.04 | rakeemflex | Maybe a billing thing? Paranoid carriers? |
| 20:30.29 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i am trying to build a image with iwmmxt instead of Xscale. Would that be a benefit, maybe faster running? |
| 20:30.53 | rakeemflex | What's iwmmxt? |
| 20:31.24 | goxboxlive | charatcer instruction set for compiling. It's what the CPU supports. |
| 20:31.37 | goxboxlive | AFAIK, iwmmxt is newer than Xscale |
| 20:33.33 | rakeemflex | The character set? I didn't even know there was a choice.... Does it manifest as different machine code then? |
| 20:34.02 | goxboxlive | rakeemflex: i have no idea |
| 20:34.13 | goxboxlive | thats why i am asking cr2_ |
| 20:35.49 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: maybe it will be faster but it's bad. because it will be binary incompatible with pxa26x and others. |
| 20:36.15 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:36.16 | rakeemflex | That sucks. Deep, dark stuff... I tell you though, hacking around these things, along with OpenWRT has taught me such much about the OS as well as the hardware.... |
| 20:37.17 | rakeemflex | I thought that ARM code was ARM code, at least for simple "Hello world" type progs.... |
| 20:39.06 | rakeemflex | You reckon it'll be possible to hack code to run on the ARM cores of the BT & Wifi chips to run an SMP kernel? VMWare on the Uni anyone? |
| 20:41.47 | cr2_ | rakeemflex: your forgot about the arm core in sirf3 and msm6250 :-) |
| 20:42.58 | rakeemflex | Great! I can run SETI@HOME at the same time then... Now I've just gotta mod my laptop battery to fit the Uni.... |
| 20:48.36 | rakeemflex | Do you know any more than is mentioned on the site about USB host mode? |
| 20:52.13 | rakeemflex | It says untested... I'm wondering two things: First what kind of cable / gender bender combo would be needed. Second, power consumption. If there's no current protection in place on the port it could be toasted if too much current is sucked. |
| 21:03.31 | rakeemflex | Which reminds me... SDIO: Is this why there's a drive to get the disk-on-a-chip working (a presumably a bootloader)? To free up the slot for toys? |
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