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| 08:20.16 | goxboxlive | cr2_: what mean if(b==1) ? What does it mean by == ? and not just one = |
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| 08:51.11 | kiozen | goboxlive: if b equals 1 |
| 08:51.21 | kiozen | b = 1 -> assign 1 to b |
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| 09:36.24 | goxboxlive | kiozen: ahh thx :-) |
| 09:36.41 | goxboxlive | hi pH5 |
| 09:36.54 | pH5 | hey goxboxlive |
| 09:37.19 | goxboxlive | pH5: yesterday i manage to get sms and phone working with Qtopia on Universal. |
| 09:40.25 | pH5 | goxboxlive: cool. how long until this works on magician, too? |
| 09:40.48 | goxboxlive | I'll try to take a look at it today |
| 09:55.15 | goxboxlive | pH5: does magician send ATE0 or is it like universal that it needs ATE0V1 ? |
| 09:57.52 | goxboxlive | pH5: And what is the Magician GPRS serial port ? Is it also ttyS1? |
| 10:16.09 | pH5 | goxboxlive: magician works with either V0 or V1. ttyS1 is correct (ttyS0 is for gprs) |
| 10:16.40 | goxboxlive | pH5: ok, how does this multiplexer look ? Do you think it seems ok? |
| 10:16.51 | goxboxlive | http://pastebin.ca/710634 BabelO has made it |
| 10:18.34 | pH5 | goxboxlive: looks ok to me, but you can leave out the switch to channel 0x12 and then back to 0x16. |
| 10:18.50 | pH5 | it should default to 0x16, even if TIHTCSETCHAN is never called. |
| 10:19.39 | goxboxlive | pH5: so i should just comment the whole 0x12 stufff right? |
| 10:20.05 | pH5 | yup |
| 10:20.10 | goxboxlive | thx |
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| 12:11.27 | cr2_ | hi |
| 12:20.15 | pH5 | hi cr2_ |
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| 12:42.51 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 13:15.42 | goxboxlive | cr2_: did you figure out the RAM_ADR eith Haret? |
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| 13:23.14 | goxboxlive | s/eith/with/ |
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| 14:35.31 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: i've added set RAMADDR to default.txt |
| 14:45.43 | goxboxlive | cr2_: what is the Universal RAMADDR? |
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| 15:03.32 | cr2_ | 0xa0000000 as on 99.99% of pxa-based machines. |
| 15:03.47 | cr2_ | i know only 1 exception. |
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| 15:11.15 | dcordes | hi people |
| 15:11.27 | dcordes | is there any progress with qualcomm yet? |
| 15:22.10 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 15:23.43 | Kevin2 | It looks like the latest motorola phone in the US - the RAZR² - runs linux. |
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| 15:28.42 | pH5 | Kevin2: 2.6? |
| 15:29.12 | pH5 | motorola has a tradition of locked down 2.4/montavista phones |
| 15:29.30 | Kevin2 | pH5: Don't know - the only info I can find is from PR releases. |
| 15:32.43 | goxboxlive | hmm the multiplexer refuse to work. It causes segfault |
| 15:34.20 | Kevin2 | pH5: Do you know if the IRQ registers are the same on omap850 and omap1510? |
| 15:38.46 | goxboxlive | pH5: do you see any bugs here in dmesg?? http://pastebin.ca/720651 |
| 15:40.38 | cr2_ | Kevin2: http://wiki.openezx.org/Razr2 ? |
| 15:41.10 | cr2_ | Kevin2: msm7200 seems to be the WCDMA version of msm7500 which is CDMA only. |
| 15:41.30 | pH5 | Kevin2: no, they are not. |
| 15:41.52 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: why do you need a multiplexer ? |
| 15:42.19 | cr2_ | the channels are separated just as they are on universal. |
| 15:42.41 | pH5 | Kevin2: sorry, wrong. the registers are the same. the contents are not |
| 15:42.43 | cr2_ | and the ti module takes care about AT framing. |
| 15:44.12 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i have no idea, it was BabeblO that told me that i needed it. |
| 15:46.03 | cr2_ | btw, i've seen that the pxa video overlay works on a780 now ? |
| 15:46.49 | Kevin2 | pH5: Okay. Does http://pastebin.ca/720655 look okay? |
| 15:48.01 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Thanks for the link - I thought v9m was linux too, but apparently it is not. :-/ |
| 15:52.10 | cr2_ | Kevin2: universal has lost the RAMADDR now. should we modify machines.txt ? |
| 15:53.33 | cr2_ | Kevin2: they say ARM11 cpu on the razr2. which cpu is it really ? |
| 15:57.07 | Kevin2 | cr2_: The universal has a custom setup - see src/mach/mach-universal.cpp - so you can't adjust via machines.txt. |
| 15:57.30 | goxboxlive | cr2_: this si without MUX: http://pastebin.ca/720663 |
| 15:58.15 | Kevin2 | cr2_: I wonder if we should just fold universal into machlist.txt? It used to have custom shutdown code, but it looks like it is commented out now. |
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| 15:59.18 | Kevin2 | cr2_: As to the ARM11 on motorola - I'm not sure - I wasn't able to find any info other than PR stuff. |
| 16:00.02 | cr2_ | Kevin2: ok. reducing the machine-dependent code is always good. |
| 16:00.37 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. The page at http://wiki.openezx.org/EZX_Platform_Overview seems to imply they always use pxa. |
| 16:01.46 | pH5 | goxboxlive: except for the qpe alignment traps... no. nothing sends anything over the line |
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| 16:05.02 | cr2_ | Kevin2: this page is for the older phones. |
| 16:06.46 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Okay - Universal in haret cvs should auto detect ramaddr now. |
| 16:07.06 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 16:10.13 | pH5 | Kevin2: looks good to me. we need to invest some time to gather the 15xx clocks from around the kernel sources. |
| 16:11.15 | cr2_ | Kevin2: V9m cpu is 225MHz |
| 16:14.50 | cr2_ | http://www.arm.com/markets/mobile_solutions/armpp/17771.html |
| 16:18.05 | cr2_ | Kevin2: https://opensource.motorola.com/sf/sfmain/do/viewProject/projects.razr2v8;jsessionid=6D82EB91E56F8F60D7F8A693D536D39D |
| 16:21.22 | cr2_ | hmm. i don't see the kernel. |
| 16:22.10 | cr2_ | hardhat ? |
| 16:22.49 | Kevin2 | pH5: Okay. I've checked in the omap changes to haret. |
| 16:23.08 | cr2_ | lol. |
| 16:23.12 | cr2_ | MODULE_DESCRIPTION("GPIODev creates an interface to GPIO through user space"); |
| 16:24.03 | Kevin2 | The arm cpu flush caching is ludicrous - every frigging chip has its own cache flush procedure. We've got six in haret alone. |
| 16:26.12 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Thanks for the links - interesting. |
| 16:26.24 | cr2_ | pH5: arm_v6_vfp_le OS_KERNEL=2.6.10 OS=linux-montavista-CEE4.0 |
| 16:27.29 | cr2_ | TEA5764=1 |
| 16:27.38 | cr2_ | is it an FM radio ? |
| 16:28.20 | cr2_ | yyyes. |
| 16:28.23 | cr2_ | fm+rds |
| 16:29.12 | cr2_ | QT_LIBRARY="QMAKE_LIBS_QT_THREAD=-lqte-mt" |
| 16:29.20 | cr2_ | qtopia2 ?? |
| 16:29.34 | cr2_ | PROFILE_ID=helix-client-mobile-ezx |
| 16:30.57 | cr2_ | HW_BT_CHIPSET=BCM2045B2_GSM |
| 16:31.04 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Is the hardhat package the linux kernel? |
| 16:31.23 | cr2_ | HW_GPS_DRIVER=mg4200 ??? |
| 16:31.31 | cr2_ | Kevin2: i'll look at it now. |
| 16:32.10 | cr2_ | Kevin2: yes. |
| 16:32.39 | cr2_ | wasn't mg4100 the gps module in a780 ? |
| 16:33.37 | cr2_ | HW_NAND_STM90NM=0 |
| 16:34.09 | cr2_ | FEAT_OTP_SECURITY=1 |
| 16:34.15 | cr2_ | thank you. |
| 16:35.21 | cr2_ | FEAT_USB=0 |
| 16:35.21 | cr2_ | FEAT_USBD=1 |
| 16:35.21 | cr2_ | FEAT_USBOTG=1 |
| 16:35.28 | cr2_ | interesting. |
| 16:35.59 | cr2_ | HW_AP_MEM=60M@0x90000000 |
| 16:35.59 | cr2_ | HW_ARCH=armv6 |
| 16:37.13 | cr2_ | alsa/pcm_headset.c is empty :( |
| 16:54.33 | cr2_ | pH5: the belcarra USB OTG code is released ? |
| 16:57.22 | pH5 | cr2_: don't know, the ezx guys should. |
| 16:59.12 | cr2_ | it's in this kernel |
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| 17:38.02 | cr2_ | hi BabelO |
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| 17:42.51 | BabelO | hi cr2_ :) |
| 17:43.12 | BabelO | i be back from long week end at mont-blanc :) |
| 17:51.21 | pH5 | hi BabelO |
| 17:51.49 | pH5 | cr2_: could this usb code be in any way useful for other devices? |
| 17:52.02 | BabelO | hi pH5 |
| 17:53.19 | BabelO | cr2_: i tell goxboxlive to use multiplexer plugin because with that qtopia manage automatically GPRS/EDGE/UMTS data channel and modem look here chapter "Multiplexers That Use Multiple Serial Ports" http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/tut-multiplexing.html |
| 17:54.56 | BabelO | pH5: my problem with qtopia is like if ttySX line is buffered and never flushed :( |
| 17:59.59 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 18:03.15 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 18:03.36 | cr2_ | BabelO: ok. but it's not really multiplexing anymore :) |
| 18:04.47 | BabelO | cr2_: agree ;) it is code soft multiplexing |
| 18:04.54 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i have gotten far with Qtopia2Universal now. I am able to both send/receive sms and also duplex phone calls. But with Magician it hangs |
| 18:05.28 | BabelO | goxboxlive: how do you solve your sms issue ? that you receive sms only when you reboot qtopia ? |
| 18:05.51 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes same problem as i have with ba:( |
| 18:09.08 | goxboxlive | BabelO: there was some cellbrpadcasting who blocked it. It also blocked outgoing call. But i did a dirty hack and disabled the AT+CPBS=0,50 and changed it to jus AT instead. |
| 18:10.59 | cr2_ | BabelO: qtopia on the universal is much faster than on ba. |
| 18:12.32 | BabelO | cr2_: possible ;) it is not same person / people that compile the two ;) i ve a strange bug if i use latest codesourcery compiler, and don't know why |
| 18:13.06 | BabelO | goxboxlive: ok, need to create a clean plugin now |
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| 18:34.16 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: do you have cegcc on your machine ? |
| 18:36.12 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i think on my fbuild machine, but not on the laptop. It failes compiling on my laptop |
| 18:37.23 | cr2_ | it was failing in the gdb compilation on a 64bit machine, but it's not a problem. |
| 18:39.02 | goxboxlive | cr2_: do you know the AT command to get the correct time (clock)? |
| 18:39.29 | goxboxlive | I think Qtopia can take advantage of it, and adjust my time. |
| 18:40.02 | ljp | qtopia should already do that |
| 18:40.12 | BabelO | goxboxlive: generic command for that are at+ctzr or at+ctzu |
| 18:40.32 | BabelO | goxboxlive: not sure it is ok for universal, it fail on ba |
| 18:40.37 | BabelO | hi ljp |
| 18:40.40 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: it's impossible on the universal afaik. |
| 18:41.04 | goxboxlive | cr2_: ok, i c. I havent seen it the wince AT logs either. |
| 18:41.22 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: we also need to resolve the i2c RTC problem. |
| 18:41.36 | goxboxlive | ok, and sound routing |
| 18:41.40 | cr2_ | if universal has it or not. |
| 18:41.46 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:42.05 | cr2_ | sound, overlay and cam. |
| 18:42.28 | cr2_ | overlay should be easy. just to merge the a780 patch. |
| 18:42.34 | BabelO | bbl |
| 18:42.36 | goxboxlive | cr2_: yes, pH5 has allready started with the cam, but i guess he has no time to complete it |
| 18:42.47 | cr2_ | he had problems with the DMA. |
| 18:42.58 | goxboxlive | ok, cr2_ what are we waiting for. Lets finish this device :-) |
| 18:43.02 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:43.30 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: can you push the rom under 128M ? |
| 18:43.45 | cr2_ | i'll be moving to the 1 partition card. |
| 18:43.57 | goxboxlive | cr2_: how big is it now? |
| 18:44.08 | cr2_ | your image is 134MB |
| 18:44.19 | goxboxlive | 127.4M |
| 18:44.42 | cr2_ | the SD cards use their own definitions ;-) |
| 18:45.16 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i guess i can build angstrom-minimal-image. But i dont think that will help so much. |
| 18:45.45 | cr2_ | how big are the wince roms ? |
| 18:46.18 | goxboxlive | i dont know, but it's less that 100 |
| 18:46.41 | cr2_ | pH5: btw, do you know how to build XIP images ? |
| 18:48.55 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: you can remove zimage from image. it's useless there. |
| 18:49.12 | cr2_ | we can talk about the modules. |
| 18:49.39 | cr2_ | opt/Qtopia/etc/words.qtrie |
| 18:49.51 | cr2_ | 1167252 |
| 18:50.01 | goxboxlive | cr2_: of course |
| 18:50.14 | cr2_ | opt/Qtopia/lib/libQtScript.so.4.3.2 |
| 18:50.17 | cr2_ | is it used ? |
| 18:50.38 | goxboxlive | probabaly |
| 18:50.56 | pH5 | cr2_: kernels or userspace? |
| 18:50.58 | cr2_ | also something to keep in mind: the filedialog widget and such features. |
| 18:50.59 | goxboxlive | cr2_: whay do you want it under 128MB |
| 18:51.10 | cr2_ | pH5: both :) |
| 18:51.17 | pH5 | I've never tried, but for the kernel it should just be make xipimage with the correct config flags |
| 18:51.36 | pH5 | for userspace you need a xip-capable filesystem |
| 18:51.51 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: on non-SD phones. and it saves power. |
| 18:52.03 | cr2_ | pH5: is jffs2 xip-capable ? |
| 18:52.38 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: we need to check if something is linked against opt/Qtopia/lib/libQtScript.so.4.3.2 and really uses it. |
| 18:52.55 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:53.01 | pH5 | afaik no, it currently compresses unconditionally, doesn't it? |
| 18:53.58 | pH5 | I think romfs/cramfs have xip support, but that's highly speculative without googling for it :) |
| 18:54.12 | goxboxlive | cr2_: but before i start to strip down the image i want to have working 100% (allmost). Because if i strip down and test something new i probably will think that it doesnt work because of the strip down if u know what i mean. |
| 18:54.46 | goxboxlive | First of all iwant soudn and camera working. Then i want the phone working on Magician :-) |
| 18:55.03 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 18:55.24 | cr2_ | the html help can be converted to .chm of something. |
| 18:55.42 | pH5 | CONFIG_EXT2_FS_XIP |
| 18:55.46 | Kevin2 | cr2_: I use the cegcc precompiled rpms now. |
| 18:55.52 | pH5 | so ext2, too. |
| 18:56.00 | cr2_ | pH5: ok. |
| 18:56.09 | cr2_ | Kevin2: it depends on the distro |
| 18:57.07 | cr2_ | OMG. 2323112 2007-09-11 21:11:48 usr/bin/gdb |
| 18:57.40 | cr2_ | nano is really fat |
| 18:57.42 | cr2_ | 113376 2007-09-23 16:44:51 usr/bin/nano |
| 18:57.55 | cr2_ | i thought it's part of busybox now. |
| 18:58.30 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: why do you have c++ headers installed ?? |
| 18:58.33 | cr2_ | 157786 2007-09-24 20:01:53 usr/include/c++/4.1.2/bits/locale_facets.h |
| 18:59.18 | cr2_ | 18171048 2007-09-24 20:01:55 usr/include/c++/4.1.2/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bits/stdc++. |
| 18:59.19 | cr2_ | h.gch/O0g.gch |
| 18:59.23 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i have no idea. Maybe because i have added libstdc++-dev |
| 18:59.28 | cr2_ | 18281688 2007-09-24 20:01:55 usr/include/c++/4.1.2/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bits/stdc++. |
| 18:59.28 | cr2_ | h.gch/O2g.gch |
| 18:59.41 | cr2_ | you certainly don't need it |
| 18:59.55 | goxboxlive | Yes i need libstdc++ to make Qtopia start. It depends on it |
| 19:00.11 | pH5 | goxboxlive: but not the -dev? |
| 19:00.15 | goxboxlive | And OE has removed libstdc++ so i have to use libstdc++-dev instead |
| 19:00.31 | cr2_ | this is junk too: usr/share/zoneinfo/Africa/.svn/ |
| 19:01.33 | cr2_ | 133945 2007-09-11 20:52:50 usr/share/usb.ids |
| 19:01.33 | goxboxlive | I asked Koen about it but he yelled at me , so i just dropped it. The i saw how Openmoko where doing it and they are using the 'dev' lib |
| 19:01.51 | cr2_ | this one can be stripped down too. |
| 19:01.53 | ljp | its the toolchain that drags in libstdc++ |
| 19:02.07 | pH5 | goxboxlive: OE doesn't have libstdc++ removed. |
| 19:02.09 | goxboxlive | ljp: ok |
| 19:02.10 | pH5 | it's built by gcc |
| 19:02.11 | ljp | g++ does it automagically by default now |
| 19:02.18 | cr2_ | ljp: where ? |
| 19:02.27 | pH5 | oh, like ljp says. |
| 19:02.30 | cr2_ | and -dev is irrelevant anyway. |
| 19:02.31 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 19:02.53 | ljp | i _think_ you can configure gcc/g++ to not do that, but I forget the argument |
| 19:02.58 | cr2_ | ljp: are you using QTScript ? |
| 19:03.31 | goxboxlive | pH5: There where i bug (maybe it's fixed) but it refused to install libstdc6++ it asked for libstdc++ and then i edited the images but then it said the package libstdc++ doesnt exist or something |
| 19:04.13 | ljp | i dont think it does at this time |
| 19:04.29 | cr2_ | ok. thanks. |
| 19:05.20 | pH5 | goxboxlive: never seen this problem, but all the c++ programs I built correctly depend on libstdc++6 |
| 19:06.01 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:06.16 | pH5 | might have been some bug with the debian package renaming, but it's either fixed or just happened to you ;) |
| 19:06.31 | goxboxlive | pH5: exactly |
| 19:06.37 | goxboxlive | thats was the reason |
| 19:07.57 | cr2_ | ok, getting rid of .svn/* and libstdc++-dev is a must. |
| 19:08.54 | goxboxlive | cr2_: ok, but the most important first. |
| 19:09.29 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: why do you pick .svn/ ? |
| 19:10.53 | goxboxlive | cr2_: i thinks it is because i have merged Opie2 and Qtopia |
| 19:11.43 | goxboxlive | I just donw want to go to every single folder and delete all the svn folders. There are probably thousands of them . |
| 19:12.06 | goxboxlive | Opie2 is checked out using svn. |
| 19:12.15 | pH5 | goxboxlive: find -name .svn xargs rm -rf |
| 19:12.25 | pH5 | s/xargs/| xargs/ |
| 19:12.35 | goxboxlive | live and learn :-) thx |
| 19:12.46 | pH5 | good night |
| 19:15.04 | goxboxlive | done |
| 19:16.42 | cr2_ | ok :) |
| 19:17.03 | cr2_ | only timezone directory is affected. |
| 19:17.49 | cr2_ | then you can remove usr/include/c++ |
| 19:17.54 | goxboxlive | ljp: i found a shutdown menu in Qtopia, do you know wich script it is calling when restarting or shutting down qtopia ? |
| 19:18.02 | cr2_ | and repackage it again. |
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| 19:34.58 | ljp | goxboxlive: i think its a qcop call. or a key press |
| 19:36.29 | ljp | Qt:Key_Hangup |
| 19:36.41 | goxboxlive | ljp: i was more thinking is it linked to /etc/init.d/qpe.sh or /etc/init.s/qtopia ? I know the reboot device calls something like "reboot" . because that worked. |
| 19:37.01 | ljp | the source is shutdown.cpp |
| 19:37.07 | goxboxlive | ok thx |
| 19:37.58 | ljp | I think |
| 19:43.30 | devianTz | hey question unrelated to devel...I booted the kernel and cannot get my pc to recognise usb0...how would I go back into WM6 if i cannot telnet in? |
| 19:43.41 | devianTz | (on a hermes) |
| 19:45.22 | Kevin2 | devianTz: You need to reboot the phone. Use the stylus to hit the small hole in the bottom of the phone. |
| 19:46.43 | devianTz | Kevin2: Thanks...any ideas why it wont recognise the phone as usb0 when I have booted the kernel, and replugged the cable in after? |
| 19:49.01 | cr2_ | devianTz: which kernel are you booting ? |
| 19:51.25 | devianTz | cr2_: herm-linux-20070607 |
| 19:53.05 | cr2_ | is it a complete kernel+ramdisk bundle ? |
| 19:53.18 | Kevin2 | devianTz: I'll upload a new kernel bundle. Hold on.. |
| 19:54.32 | devianTz | Unfortunately I have to leave right now...but I want to help as much as possible...will be on later tonight. |
| 19:55.03 | devianTz | See you soon |
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| 20:00.21 | Kevin2 | Well, http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/HTCHermes/herm-linux-20070930.exe is now available. |
| 20:05.49 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky: Do you have a tutorial or some docs on how to build a "live" image? I'd like to build one for apache and hermes, but it is not clear to me what I need to do. |
| 20:09.50 | Kevin2 | Also, it occurred to me - if we have a haret with a kernel and initrd appended together, then we should be able to extract out the base haret, kernel, and initrd parts later. So, if live images are working well, we could include parted and a small program that can repartition an SD card, write the initrd contents to the SD card, and then write a haret+kernel to a fat partition on the SD card. In affect, we could |
| 20:14.43 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: bitbake liveramdisk-image with ANGSTROM_MODE=uclibc |
| 20:15.00 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: then, see Makefile.liveramdisk in haret/tools/ |
| 20:15.04 | psokolovsky | hi btw |
| 20:15.12 | Kevin2 | Hi. :-) |
| 20:15.23 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: and yes, we could do many things with the stuff ;-) |
| 20:16.03 | psokolovsky | but the next thing I'd like to do is adding some GUI choice dialog to haret |
| 20:16.20 | Kevin2 | Gui choice? |
| 20:16.47 | psokolovsky | motivation: "easy install" bundles which allows to boot production-type image from SD or CF |
| 20:18.14 | Kevin2 | Wouldn't it be easier to just have different boot bundles? One for gpe, one for qtopia, one for opie, etc.. |
| 20:19.36 | cr2_ | Kevin2: do you really want to partition the card ? |
| 20:20.52 | Kevin2 | cr2_: You'll need two partitions - one for linux and one for wince (to store haret). So, we need software to do that for the user. |
| 20:21.09 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: yes, one for every sneeze ;-) |
| 20:21.31 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: I'm going to go route w/o repartitioning |
| 20:21.55 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky: Well, a boot bundle that has all the different possibilities is going to be really big. :-) |
| 20:22.43 | psokolovsky | and yet ability to customize kernel command line based on user selection should be there |
| 20:22.45 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky: Okay - live image runs just from ram. If the user likes what he sees, he'll want to be able to store changes. How do we do that without repartioning? |
| 20:23.22 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: the main question here is if we want to add full control flow structures after all, or want to do adhoc hacks until they work |
| 20:23.40 | psokolovsky | loopback mounted images |
| 20:24.35 | cr2_ | Kevin2: repartitioning has proved to be a real PITA for the user. |
| 20:24.56 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky: Okay - I guess loopback would work. |
| 20:25.34 | Kevin2 | cr2_: Sure, but we've been asking them to do it manually. If we had it fully automated (eg, via parted) then it may not be a problem. But, I guess we could just make a really big file on the fat and loop mount it as Paul suggests. |
| 20:26.15 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky: I'm not sure what you mean by "full control flow structures". |
| 20:28.08 | psokolovsky | Kevin2: if/the/else with compound statements to start with |
| 20:28.22 | Kevin2 | in haret? why? |
| 20:29.15 | Kevin2 | I think we'd be better off booting into linux and then using regular shell scripts and perl/python/etc to direct the rest of the system. |
| 20:29.18 | psokolovsky | to be able to process user selection |
| 20:29.35 | psokolovsky | possibly |
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