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| 14:38.39 | BabelO | hi |
| 14:38.44 | BabelO | goxboxlive: are you here ? |
| 14:47.59 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> hi |
| 14:48.33 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> ljp told me that Qtopia-4.2.4 where released yesterday. |
| 14:51.11 | goxboxlive | cr2_-> where are you these days? |
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| 15:09.56 | BabelO | goxboxlive : : i see that 4.3.0 is beta release ;) i have to start configure and compile qtopia 4.2.3 as you told me it is working now, did you test sound ? |
| 15:10.49 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> Where can i get the beta release? |
| 15:11.05 | goxboxlive | No, i no sound in 4.2.5 |
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| 15:14.12 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> there? |
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| 15:14.59 | BabelO | All link i found for 4.3.0 are broken |
| 15:16.34 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:17.14 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> But was it the core source or the full version? |
| 15:18.00 | BabelO | it is only the core source i think, i did not have time to look for it, maybe need to ask ljp about |
| 15:18.09 | BabelO | it is better to start devel on this one |
| 15:20.16 | goxboxlive | I found it, iyt's just the core |
| 15:20.44 | BabelO | ok :( i want the theme and new thing like CSS on widget ;) |
| 15:21.14 | goxboxlive | :-) |
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| 15:58.58 | immolo | I remember why I dislike OE today |
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| 16:48.32 | Uatec | Hi there |
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| 17:13.24 | immolo | would someone please be kind enough to make a ipkg of opie-mediaplayer1 for me please |
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| 17:13.42 | immolo | as I'm not having a fun time with it all |
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| 17:25.42 | BabelO | immolo : on my ftp ;) |
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| 17:37.34 | immolo | thank BabelO |
| 17:37.56 | immolo | I'll be putting you on my xmas card list at this rate |
| 17:40.20 | BabelO | :) i ve build all for opie image and also gpe because now i buy a big disk. |
| 17:41.31 | immolo | cool let me know if you need some testing |
| 17:42.24 | BabelO | goxboxlive : alwyas same error with -ldl library and qtopia 4.2.3 |
| 17:42.40 | goxboxlive | pH5-> how is it going with the cam driver. HAve you done any progress with it lately? |
| 17:43.03 | goxboxlive | BabelO-> can you pastebin it? |
| 17:44.04 | BabelO | goxboxlive http://pastebin.ca/622134 |
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| 17:45.44 | BabelO | bbl |
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| 17:54.12 | Hedphelym | is there a functional version of linux that i can use on my imate jasjar? |
| 17:59.02 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> It works but not 100% |
| 17:59.27 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> |
| 17:59.29 | goxboxlive | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal |
| 17:59.48 | Hedphelym | yes, that's the one i'm currently looking at. |
| 18:00.14 | Hedphelym | but from what i can see, you need a card-reader in computer to install.. |
| 18:00.14 | Hedphelym | Now you prepare your SD/MMC card to run linux on it |
| 18:00.15 | Hedphelym | When WinCe starts loading, remove the SD, and put it in your desktop, |
| 18:00.24 | Hedphelym | and i dont have that at the moment :o\ |
| 18:01.25 | Hedphelym | is it possible to do a workaround for this? so that i dont need a cardreader? |
| 18:03.02 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> yes, you can use your Universal to prepare the SD card |
| 18:04.30 | Hedphelym | okay, by using that "usb hdd" function? |
| 18:05.32 | goxboxlive | Someone has changed the wiki, i dont know why. I havent noticed it. But instaed of getting the opie/gpe or whatever you choose to your sd card just download it with your universal instead of computer. |
| 18:07.32 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> i dont know what the USB-hdd is, but just follow the howto and just skip the checking part of the size of the image. |
| 18:09.19 | Hedphelym | okay, i'll try this now. |
| 18:09.27 | Hedphelym | thank you for helping out goxboxlive. |
| 18:09.58 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> welcome |
| 18:15.26 | Hedphelym | let's say i mess it up, do i just "reinstall" the wm9 i had before? and just reset the device? |
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| 18:31.40 | Hedphelym | it crashed during the partitioning.. |
| 18:31.47 | Hedphelym | while updating the partition tables etc. |
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| 18:44.58 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> No you dont touch WINCE, just reset the device and you boot back to wince again |
| 18:45.22 | goxboxlive | Hedphelym-> crashing during fdisk? |
| 18:45.52 | Hedp|afk | seems to work now.. |
| 18:45.54 | Hedp|afk | it just booted. |
| 18:46.01 | Hedp|afk | so i just started it again¨ |
| 18:46.17 | Hedp|afk | now it's "creating journal".. |
| 18:47.09 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:49.48 | Hedp|afk | which one of these is "best"? http://gnulinux.biz/files//Universal/ |
| 18:50.29 | goxboxlive | depends of what you want, but i guess Opie is the nicest one and most bugfree for now. |
| 18:50.29 | Hedp|afk | is it the openmoko i should use? |
| 18:50.45 | Hedp|afk | ok, thanks |
| 18:50.48 | Hedp|afk | i'll use that one |
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| 19:08.26 | Hedp|afk | how do i reformat the card back to what it was? |
| 19:08.38 | Hedp|afk | what command to use.. |
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| 19:16.57 | immolo | BabelO- Would you mind if I updated the blueangel wiki page to use your images and kernel? |
| 19:17.40 | BabelO | which one ? i just need to set latest kernel |
| 19:18.40 | immolo | err handhelds I was thinking |
| 19:18.51 | immolo | more visitors will catch it |
| 19:19.20 | BabelO | immolo: yes no problem, i just recompile a new image with new kernel and upload it to a ftp |
| 19:19.34 | immolo | sounds good |
| 19:20.08 | immolo | oh in opie do you know why the battery icon doesn't change when it goes from ac to power etc |
| 19:20.45 | immolo | it only seems to use the icon it was using when booting |
| 19:20.45 | BabelO | it change, but only on AC power not usb power |
| 19:20.56 | immolo | its on ac |
| 19:21.10 | BabelO | ah ? strange |
| 19:21.14 | immolo | yeah |
| 19:21.32 | immolo | I'll try the new kernel maybe it will fix |
| 19:21.56 | BabelO | have to ask goxboxlive about this.. i need to go out now.. bbl |
| 19:23.09 | BabelO | immolo: new image don't fix this, i don't think |
| 19:24.04 | immolo | hmm bug in the opie build? |
| 19:24.15 | immolo | oh ok see ya later |
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| 19:46.17 | immolo | goxboxlive- do you have write access to the gnulinux file bin? |
| 19:46.38 | goxboxlive | immolo-> yes |
| 19:46.48 | goxboxlive | no, sorry |
| 19:46.54 | immolo | lol |
| 19:47.07 | goxboxlive | not the bin file. i think the ftp server is down. I can access it |
| 19:47.58 | immolo | I was going to rewrite the wiki but I need somewhere a little more perament then babel0's ftp |
| 19:47.58 | goxboxlive | immolo-> where are about to move over to linuxtogo since gnulinux.biz is a private server |
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| 19:48.27 | immolo | oh |
| 19:48.29 | goxboxlive | http://www.linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/ |
| 19:48.48 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 19:50.05 | immolo | any chance you could move the haret, kernel, startup and autorun for linking? |
| 19:50.49 | goxboxlive | I dont have access to gnulinux now. it is down |
| 19:51.04 | immolo | I meant linuxtogo :P |
| 19:51.13 | immolo | I should explain better |
| 19:51.22 | goxboxlive | oh, yes of course, what do you want me to do? |
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| 19:52.11 | immolo | I just need the basic files for booting linux from wince |
| 19:52.32 | immolo | put on the server so I can tell people where to access them |
| 19:52.49 | goxboxlive | so you want haret, startup.txt and kernel zImage? |
| 19:53.09 | goxboxlive | I dont have the BA stuff. |
| 19:54.40 | immolo | lol :P |
| 19:54.56 | immolo | any chance I can have access? |
| 19:55.32 | immolo | might be easier and saves your time |
| 19:57.03 | goxboxlive | immolo-> BabelO has write access, and he has all the images, let him upload it. |
| 19:57.32 | immolo | ok, i'll just write the framework and he can update links |
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| 19:58.04 | goxboxlive | yes, good |
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| 21:31.22 | immolo | damn that took longer then I wanted :P |
| 21:31.36 | immolo | anyone fancy proof reading for me? |
| 21:31.51 | immolo | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux?action=highlight&value=BlueAngelHowtoInstallLinux |
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| 21:48.19 | psokolovsky | immolo: why do you spawn duplicate stuff? we have installation instructions for XXX in unbound quantities. why would we need yet another one? |
| 21:49.12 | immolo | better layout plus it doesn't link to older stuff |
| 21:49.39 | psokolovsky | better layout? lol |
| 21:49.53 | immolo | clearer layout then the old one |
| 21:50.13 | psokolovsky | what we need is *single* *generic* installation instructions for *any* device. fancy writing such? |
| 21:50.37 | immolo | I don't mind but I only know the BA |
| 21:52.01 | immolo | but then to be honest isn't that guide pretty much generic |
| 21:53.43 | psokolovsky | that's exactly the problem - people don't want to do it right, people want to do how it seems "betta" for them. But actually they just do random duplications. Then a new guy comes, sees all that crap, and starts to rewrite/duplicate it how he sees "betta". vicious cycle and explanation why hh.org wiki is such crap. ;-) |
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| 21:54.41 | immolo | ??? |
| 21:55.02 | immolo | I said isn't the guide pretty much generic for all device installs anyway |
| 21:55.24 | immolo | but I see your point |
| 21:55.44 | psokolovsky | immolo: indeed, so why you added that page if we already had that "almost pretty much" in wiki? |
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| 21:58.00 | immolo | because I was going to add links for the new files which saves people the hassle of coming here like I did to check the project is still going without having to download files from 2006/6 |
| 21:58.04 | immolo | err 2005/6 |
| 21:58.16 | immolo | and while I was at it I did a tidy up |
| 21:58.36 | immolo | I know when it was written is was just done for quickness because I was here when it was done |
| 22:00.58 | psokolovsky | immolo: but what's so special about BA? why users of all other devices go to Angstrom site and d/l fresh stuff there, while BA needs some adhoc duplicated pages? |
| 22:03.43 | immolo | I don't see a blueangel image there |
| 22:07.16 | psokolovsky | immolo: gotcha! So, maybe it's better to think how to stop BA from being a misfit for which images cannot be downloaded from a by now well-known place of cross-device fresh stuff, than to craft some duplicate pages, soon to grow old just like the ones they try to update? |
| 22:08.22 | immolo | but then I need to be a developer right to be allow to post images I create which I can't do |
| 22:09.21 | psokolovsky | immolo: you can't be a developer? |
| 22:09.33 | immolo | and even then I don't see an install guide for any of the other htc devices on angstrom |
| 22:10.17 | immolo | well I suck at oe so there isn't much point |
| 22:10.17 | psokolovsky | well, I see now, I guess. |
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| 22:11.35 | immolo | wouldn't it just be better to say nice try but you could help the project more by..... |
| 22:12.04 | immolo | rather then just moaning at someone trying to help |
| 22:12.08 | psokolovsky | I just tried to understand, why people prefer to write newspaper-like stuff, which I, as a wiki maintainer, would need to delete eventually, then then paper gets yellow and faded out - do all that, instead of just doing things right, and contribute to progress on Linux-on-PDA stuff |
| 22:12.14 | psokolovsky | it's sad, it's sad |
| 22:13.02 | immolo | and where would I post for it to be proper |
| 22:16.14 | psokolovsky | well, imaginarily, you wouldn't start to write your own stuff, but instead would try to update and maintain existing stuff of generic nature. We have great and pretty generic install page here: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpIpaqH2200CardBoot . it needs more work to be more device--neutral though. But doing that would be good start... |
| 22:19.08 | immolo | well saying that shouldn't it be called how to install |
| 22:19.38 | immolo | and then how would you easily tell people what to download |
| 22:19.56 | psokolovsky | possibly. comments and suggestion are welcome for sure |
| 22:20.12 | immolo | wouldn't a template by the better option then you can add quickfixes for different devices as needed |
| 22:20.20 | psokolovsky | by having a clear and concise "downloads" page? |
| 22:21.26 | immolo | I suppose |
| 22:32.17 | tre9 | immolo: I'm up for helping create a generic howto guide. If you want to think through how to organize it and then give me a job, I'll do my best. Thanks for taking the initiative to make it easier for users. |
| 22:34.26 | immolo | tre9- yeah, I was just thinking of way to do it |
| 22:34.52 | immolo | I need some sleep now but I'll be back tomorrow maybe we can work on it |
| 22:40.55 | tre9 | ok. |
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