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| 08:35.45 | davf | I have an HTC Alpine that I would really like to get linux running on. I am glad to do any testing required to get this to work. If someone can point me to the latest info I'll be glad to pick up from there. |
| 08:36.30 | davf | I've read some threads at XDA-developers but if there has been more progress with another project then let me know. |
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| 10:27.11 | Pi}|{amka | Приветы:) |
| 10:27.28 | Pi}|{amka | Тут есть русские? |
| 10:28.00 | sadeness | |
| 10:28.59 | bd2 | Pi}|{amka, да, но говорят тут по английски. |
| 10:29.24 | Pi}|{amka | А я английского не знаю:( |
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| 10:29.48 | bd2 | Pi}|{amka, too sad. please speak English. |
| 10:30.05 | bd2 | even poor english (just as mine) is better ;-) |
| 10:30.22 | sadeness | bd2, i always knew that you are russian :D |
| 10:30.24 | Pi}|{amka | Я не говорю по английски |
| 10:30.58 | bd2 | sadeness, hehe ;-) it's obvious, poor english -> russian ;-)) |
| 10:31.49 | sadeness | no! by that logic you could be from latin america :D |
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| 12:03.47 | BabelO | better words now |
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| 12:32.00 | davf | Anyone here can help me with linux for Alpine? |
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| 13:40.13 | cr2_ | hi tsdogs |
| 13:40.25 | tsdogs | hi cr2_ |
| 13:40.32 | cr2_ | davf: have you tried to compile the curretn CVS ? |
| 13:40.47 | tsdogs | cr2_: long time no see :) |
| 13:41.06 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i've written a new shapefile data provider for roadmap. |
| 13:41.21 | tsdogs | my laptop broke, I just got it back from support. (mainboard was dead) |
| 13:41.35 | cr2_ | if you don't need routing then things became very simple. |
| 13:41.37 | cr2_ | i see. |
| 13:41.52 | tsdogs | cr2_: good, i did not work much on it lately, I'm in the process of restoring the data backup |
| 13:42.30 | cr2_ | btw, i passed Rovereto at 6am :) |
| 13:42.50 | tsdogs | was at sleep I think :). was the journey good ? |
| 13:42.53 | cr2_ | the return way was through Switzerland. |
| 13:43.13 | cr2_ | yes, it was great. the weather in Perugia was a bit warm for me :) |
| 13:43.29 | tsdogs | :) still is here right now |
| 13:43.50 | cr2_ | it becomes warmer here too. |
| 13:44.08 | tsdogs | cr2_: I'll be on vacation next 2 weeks, so won't be connecting to the internet that much. |
| 13:44.21 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 13:44.28 | cr2_ | i'll be away in August. |
| 13:44.39 | tsdogs | but if I have some time (beside the family) I'll work on roadmap. |
| 13:44.53 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 13:45.04 | tsdogs | But I need to put down some points to work on it. |
| 13:45.11 | cr2_ | i've learned a lot about its internals. |
| 13:45.21 | tsdogs | I also want to finish the port for opieII |
| 13:45.22 | goxboxlive | hi both |
| 13:45.26 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: hi |
| 13:45.28 | cr2_ | the 'places' support simple does not work. |
| 13:45.31 | cr2_ | ho goxboxlive |
| 13:46.30 | Foxdie | ho? thats not nice :) |
| 13:46.41 | Foxdie | (and hello to all) |
| 13:46.42 | cr2_ | typing error. |
| 13:46.44 | cr2_ | :) |
| 13:46.55 | cr2_ | hi Foxdie |
| 13:46.59 | tsdogs | hi Foxdie |
| 13:47.10 | Foxdie | I say we get you drunk cr2 and see how well you type then *winks* |
| 13:47.37 | Foxdie | goxboxlive: sorry I haven't been able to get in contact with you for a while |
| 13:47.41 | cr2_ | i guess we will finish roadmap in september to a really great extent :) |
| 13:47.54 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: what do you mean? |
| 13:48.07 | goxboxlive | I am doing some crappy work now |
| 13:48.11 | cr2_ | Foxdie: i'm using a keyboard with lies on the notebook, so it's a bit uncomfortable. |
| 13:48.15 | tsdogs | cr2_: :) |
| 13:48.27 | goxboxlive | I amgoing to paint the roof. I hate painting. |
| 13:48.29 | cr2_ | but still better than the notebook keyboard, which is too small. |
| 13:48.31 | tsdogs | agree, I'll see to put the gdal into it too. |
| 13:48.36 | tsdogs | :) |
| 13:48.41 | Foxdie | I took that kernel cvs and built it, and merged with opie image, when I booted up the touch screen was simulating keyboard events, and the keyboard was totally dead |
| 13:48.44 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: :) pay attention |
| 13:48.53 | Foxdie | for universal that is |
| 13:49.08 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: how is opieII right now? |
| 13:49.16 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i need to port your rendering stuff to the main branch. |
| 13:49.33 | tsdogs | I saw some minor changes there. |
| 13:49.48 | tsdogs | cr2_: I was in the process just before the laptop broke. |
| 13:49.55 | Foxdie | can click on desktop menu, but clicking on any other window results in it "dissapearing" (either through alt+f4 simulation or by kill or by crash with no error, I don't know) |
| 13:49.58 | cr2_ | then there is an interesting thing to enable from=to label code. |
| 13:50.12 | tsdogs | I'll finish that too. cr2_ you mean u need it before vacation? |
| 13:50.12 | cr2_ | and the polygon cutting and rendering. |
| 13:50.12 | Foxdie | if I click on a text editor, I see the letter "o" typed in before quit |
| 13:50.16 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: i think you have to load the keyboard module, i f you where using htcuniversal_static_defconfig i think the keybaord is compiles as a module |
| 13:50.21 | cr2_ | i think i'll do it. |
| 13:50.21 | goxboxlive | just modprobe it |
| 13:50.27 | Foxdie | um |
| 13:50.40 | Foxdie | its hard to modprobe something when you can't type it in >:) |
| 13:51.04 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: OpieII i have no idea, it's working allright, some segfaults but still flickers with the uni kernel (beside hh3) |
| 13:51.15 | goxboxlive | I just wait for a phone app to it. |
| 13:51.16 | cr2_ | tsdogs: i think the from=to is a key feature now, because it allows naming the points. |
| 13:51.20 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: ok thx |
| 13:51.30 | goxboxlive | well have to go to the painting store now. bbl |
| 13:51.32 | cr2_ | tsdogs: there is qtopia 4.2.3 out. |
| 13:51.45 | goxboxlive | cr2_: just the core right? |
| 13:52.17 | cr2_ | goxboxlive: yes. many changes to the docs, some BT code is broken. |
| 13:52.24 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok, but I'd stick with opieII. |
| 13:52.37 | cr2_ | tsdogs: was just fyi. |
| 13:52.38 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 13:52.45 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok thx |
| 13:53.59 | cr2_ | tsdogs: if you'll eventually look at the from=to rendering that will be great. |
| 13:54.20 | cr2_ | i'm deep in the lowlevel data stuff, and have a lot of progress. |
| 13:54.23 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok, I'll check it, do you already have some postgis data sample? |
| 13:54.38 | cr2_ | the program works on linuxppc the same as on amd64 now :) |
| 13:54.59 | tsdogs | well I think I could simply put in some idiot points and see if they render on the map |
| 13:55.08 | tsdogs | cr2_: is the layer already there in roadmap? |
| 13:55.11 | cr2_ | tsdogs: you need to use postgis only if you want routing. |
| 13:55.36 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok. have you done any more changes to it? |
| 13:55.43 | cr2_ | which layer ? |
| 13:55.54 | tsdogs | places |
| 13:55.59 | cr2_ | i'll commit my changes to out tree. |
| 13:56.09 | cr2_ | places is broken by design. |
| 13:56.10 | tsdogs | cr2_: perfect. |
| 13:56.24 | cr2_ | look for lines with from=to points. |
| 13:56.46 | tsdogs | ok, so I'll should handle those like points. |
| 13:56.56 | cr2_ | the "point" is rendered with the line style, but not labeled. |
| 13:57.20 | cr2_ | it's nice to have a sprite for it, but it's not really urgent. |
| 13:57.46 | cr2_ | it's not labeled because the from=to case is sorted out early. |
| 13:57.51 | cr2_ | in the code. |
| 14:02.46 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok. so I'll only need to check for labels right now, and then see how to handle it with sprites later. |
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| 14:03.17 | cr2_ | yes, this is the easiest way imho. |
| 14:03.28 | tsdogs | agreed |
| 14:04.01 | tsdogs | did u talk with kiozen? |
| 14:04.18 | tsdogs | u know if he has done anything with gdal? |
| 14:04.24 | cr2_ | no, he had a vacation, then appeared shortly and the desappeared again :) |
| 14:04.49 | cr2_ | no, he needs to convert his maps to geotiff first. they are in a funny format. |
| 14:04.59 | kiozen | :) TCom still keeps my DSL line down |
| 14:05.02 | tsdogs | :) ok, so If I don't hear from him, I'll go on with gdal. |
| 14:05.08 | tsdogs | kiozen: hi |
| 14:05.12 | kiozen | hi |
| 14:05.20 | kiozen | just go on with gdal |
| 14:05.31 | kiozen | I am a little bit grounded |
| 14:05.42 | cr2_ | with gdal we will have a working solution. |
| 14:05.48 | tsdogs | kiozen: ok I will. sorry to hear about that. |
| 14:05.51 | cr2_ | which can be refined later. |
| 14:06.03 | tsdogs | cr2_: I only fear the bunch of dependencies it has... |
| 14:06.26 | cr2_ | on the desktop it's not a problem. |
| 14:06.45 | tsdogs | cr2_: of course, but I'm thinking about my Universal ... |
| 14:07.08 | cr2_ | yes, but a working prototype is good. |
| 14:07.35 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok |
| 14:07.44 | cr2_ | once we will have it working with gdal, i can imagine some simple ways to remove the dependency. |
| 14:07.50 | tsdogs | we can always switch that off with a define |
| 14:07.58 | cr2_ | agreed. |
| 14:08.27 | kiozen | did the cvs move? cvs up gives no changes |
| 14:08.40 | cr2_ | kiozen: which one ? |
| 14:08.48 | kiozen | roadmap_editor |
| 14:08.54 | cr2_ | no. |
| 14:08.54 | tsdogs | cr2_: I read somewhere that the Neo 1973 has a 3d chip |
| 14:09.15 | cr2_ | i was working on the mainline roadmap CVS |
| 14:09.42 | cr2_ | tsdogs: it's not true. it uses the s3c2410 framebuffer. |
| 14:10.38 | tsdogs | cr2_: ok |
| 14:10.52 | tsdogs | ok, time to restore the backup, bbl |
| 14:10.54 | cr2_ | kiozen: i've created a script for converting .mp to roadmap. |
| 14:11.17 | kiozen | .mp ? what's that? |
| 14:11.19 | cr2_ | but it's limited by the current roadmap capabilities. |
| 14:11.41 | cr2_ | .mp is what you get from http://mapcenter(2).cgpsmapper.com |
| 14:12.01 | cr2_ | an ascii map description format. |
| 14:12.13 | kiozen | ah, knew I should know it :) |
| 14:12.32 | cr2_ | it's like .img, but open and ascii :) |
| 14:13.12 | kiozen | nothing is like img. img is unique in a very special way ;) |
| 14:13.35 | cr2_ | yes, but it's the input format for cgpsmapper. |
| 14:14.31 | kiozen | I guess we can take GPSMapEdit to convert img to mp, don't we |
| 14:14.45 | cr2_ | you are an evil hacker :) |
| 14:15.31 | kiozen | I just appreciate the freedom to use the data I have payed for in any situation |
| 14:15.45 | cr2_ | it's a joke. |
| 14:15.54 | kiozen | I know ;) |
| 14:16.21 | kiozen | does roadmap load maps easily, now? |
| 14:16.23 | cr2_ | i wish we have decoded the NOD and NET layout. |
| 14:16.38 | cr2_ | yes. relatively easily. |
| 14:16.54 | cr2_ | you need the cgpsmapper to convert .mp to .shp |
| 14:17.00 | cr2_ | and ogr2ogr |
| 14:17.17 | cr2_ | then you can create the .rdm map. |
| 14:18.03 | kiozen | I try to get the roadmap cvs tree while I am in my office |
| 14:18.35 | kiozen | I hate having no DSL line at home! |
| 14:18.39 | cr2_ | ;) |
| 14:21.20 | cr2_ | roadmap works, but it need some code changes. to match garmin and to be more user-friendly. like garmin. |
| 14:22.44 | kiozen | the config dialog has to be stipped down. |
| 14:23.03 | kiozen | no user will appreciate this amount of choices |
| 14:23.20 | cr2_ | not only that. there are many other minor things. |
| 14:23.54 | cr2_ | actually tsdogs doubled the number choices :) |
| 14:23.54 | kiozen | what was it again to compile the qt4 directory |
| 14:23.57 | kiozen | ? |
| 14:24.08 | cr2_ | because it's necessary. |
| 14:24.16 | cr2_ | mainline = |
| 14:24.18 | cr2_ | ? |
| 14:24.39 | cr2_ | make DESKTOP=QT4 QTDIR=/where/you/have/qt4 |
| 14:24.57 | cr2_ | make DESKTOP=QT4 QTDIR=/where/you/have/qt4 SHAPEFILES=NO |
| 14:25.07 | cr2_ | i think this should compile cleanly. |
| 14:26.11 | kiozen | yes, it does |
| 14:26.57 | cr2_ | now you need a map. |
| 14:27.12 | cr2_ | which CVS did you use ? |
| 14:27.27 | kiozen | the sourceforge one (roadmap) |
| 14:27.46 | cr2_ | ok. pick a .mp map on mapcenter. |
| 14:27.56 | cr2_ | which you'd like to have. |
| 14:28.54 | cr2_ | and write down the coordinates of the center of this map. approx. |
| 14:29.00 | cr2_ | you will need it ;) |
| 14:29.33 | cr2_ | because there is no other way to find (make visible) the map right now. |
| 14:31.04 | cr2_ | garmin does it better. by drawing the map bounding box for the invisible zoom levels. |
| 14:32.10 | kiozen | ok, got it |
| 14:32.20 | kiozen | the bounding box is just a polyline |
| 14:32.33 | cr2_ | it's square. |
| 14:32.49 | kiozen | not necessarily |
| 14:33.05 | cr2_ | on garmin ? |
| 14:33.09 | kiozen | yes |
| 14:33.16 | cr2_ | hmm. maybe. |
| 14:33.18 | kiozen | look at the borders of a topo map |
| 14:33.37 | cr2_ | but having the square bounding box is a nice thing too. |
| 14:33.58 | cr2_ | well, rectangle anyway. |
| 14:34.17 | kiozen | no, you get problems selecting tiles at borders as boxes can overlap |
| 14:34.35 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 14:34.43 | kiozen | that was one annoying qlandkarte bug |
| 14:34.52 | cr2_ | i see. |
| 14:34.53 | kiozen | I used boxes first |
| 14:35.05 | kiozen | I got the mp file |
| 14:35.19 | cr2_ | btw, what happens in the -180+180 border ? |
| 14:35.37 | kiozen | depends from what direction you come :) |
| 14:35.38 | cr2_ | tell me the .mp name, i'll convert it locally. |
| 14:35.42 | kiozen | really no joke |
| 14:35.53 | cr2_ | the code is not yet completed and committed. |
| 14:36.15 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 14:36.37 | kiozen | Sächsische Schweiz-0611032156-src.zip |
| 14:36.48 | cr2_ | url ? |
| 14:37.06 | kiozen | http://mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com/maplist.php?cnt=55&rgn=Sachsen&cat=4 |
| 14:37.42 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 14:38.05 | cr2_ | not bad. 1.8MB |
| 14:38.23 | cr2_ | trying. |
| 14:42.17 | cr2_ | kiozen: looks good. |
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| 14:42.35 | kiozen | sorry, phone .... |
| 14:46.35 | kiozen | cr2: what's next? |
| 14:47.55 | cr2_ | you need the 'style' file |
| 14:48.11 | cr2_ | and the map, and the index map. |
| 14:48.21 | cr2_ | 3 files, i'll send them to you. |
| 14:48.40 | cr2_ | the map and the index go to ~/.roadmap/maps |
| 14:48.57 | cr2_ | the style to /usr/local/share/roadmap/default/Polish |
| 14:49.22 | cr2_ | that's a bug in the current code, that you can't set your "own" style. |
| 14:50.38 | kiozen | no one wants to edit the style anyway |
| 14:51.07 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 14:51.41 | cr2_ | i can clone your style, btw. |
| 14:51.59 | cr2_ | there is also "google" style. |
| 14:52.50 | kiozen | did you send the files already? |
| 14:53.13 | cr2_ | sent. |
| 14:53.22 | cr2_ | @gmx.de |
| 14:53.53 | kiozen | received, have to copy by browser i/f |
| 14:54.02 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 14:57.52 | kiozen | s== roadmap_start.c, line 1180: RoadMap starting, time 16:59 |
| 14:57.52 | kiozen | s== roadmap_gps.c, line 694: cannot access GPS source gpsd://localhost |
| 14:57.52 | kiozen | s## roadmap_dbread.c, line 131: illegal offset 10944800 in database usdir.rdm |
| 14:57.52 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.54 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.56 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.08 | kiozen | roadmap dead |
| 14:58.48 | cr2_ | the current sf.net CVS version ??? |
| 14:58.58 | cr2_ | not roadmap_editor ? |
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| 15:00.53 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.25 | cr2_ | ok, i'll try myself. which CPU do you have ? |
| 15:02.42 | kiozen | intel dual core |
| 15:02.48 | cr2_ | 32bit ? |
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| 15:03.16 | kiozen | afaik it's handled as 64bit |
| 15:03.25 | cr2_ | i've tried i386, amd64 and ppc32 |
| 15:03.42 | cr2_ | but i'll check. |
| 15:04.28 | kiozen | I removed all maps in .roadmap/maps and copied temp.rdm and usc07812.rdm |
| 15:04.42 | kiozen | now I get |
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| 15:04.45 | cr2_ | uname -pm ? |
| 15:04.45 | kiozen | s== roadmap_start.c, line 1180: RoadMap starting, time 17:05 |
| 15:04.49 | kiozen | s== roadmap_gps.c, line 694: cannot access GPS source gpsd://localhost |
| 15:05.01 | kiozen | s** roadmap_locator.c, line 136: cannot open any database directory |
| 15:05.02 | cr2_ | not temp, usdir.rdm |
| 15:05.05 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.09 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.13 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.17 | kiozen | s== roadmap_gpx.c, line 53: GPX: XML parse error at 1: no element found |
| 15:05.17 | kiozen | s== roadmap_gpx.c, line 53: GPX: no GPX data in input |
| 15:05.17 | kiozen | s## roadmap_dbread.c, line 358: handler zip conflicts with zip for section zip |
| 15:05.17 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.17 | kiozen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.18 | kiozen | x86_64 x86_64 |
| 15:05.22 | cr2_ | remove everything from ~/.roadmap/maps |
| 15:05.24 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 15:05.43 | cr2_ | put usdir.rdm and usc07812.rdm to ~/.roadmap/maps |
| 15:05.45 | kiozen | sorry index.rdm |
| 15:06.01 | kiozen | sorry, index.rdm |
| 15:06.26 | cr2_ | have i sent index.rdm ? |
| 15:06.32 | kiozen | yes |
| 15:06.46 | cr2_ | sorry. |
| 15:07.18 | cr2_ | sent. |
| 15:08.10 | kiozen | ok started up |
| 15:09.17 | cr2_ | Find->Position-> 14 50 |
| 15:09.20 | cr2_ | then zoom. |
| 15:11.16 | kiozen | no map available :) |
| 15:11.37 | cr2_ | what are the "real" coordinates ? |
| 15:12.09 | kiozen | in the yellow box ? |
| 15:12.12 | kiozen | 14 50 |
| 15:13.05 | cr2_ | 14 50.9 ? |
| 15:13.44 | kiozen | there we go |
| 15:14.04 | cr2_ | :) |
| 15:14.21 | kiozen | wow, panning and mouse wheel zoom |
| 15:15.02 | cr2_ | there is only 1 font and color used. |
| 15:15.28 | cr2_ | but tsdogs has already implemented a lot of such things for roadmap_editor |
| 15:15.40 | kiozen | string placement sucks as much as with qlandkarte :) |
| 15:15.45 | cr2_ | like line styles, brushes, label buffering and so on. |
| 15:15.58 | cr2_ | yeah, it's a tough problem. |
| 15:16.15 | cr2_ | the best free implementation i know is the UMN mapserver. |
| 15:16.29 | cr2_ | maybe the mapnik from openstreetmap. |
| 15:16.35 | cr2_ | http://openstrettmap.org |
| 15:16.43 | cr2_ | http://openstreetmap.org |
| 15:16.57 | kiozen | I like the line style change by zoom |
| 15:17.07 | kiozen | I should do the same with qlandkarte |
| 15:17.25 | cr2_ | but there is only 1 zoom layer. |
| 15:17.37 | kiozen | I just noticed :) |
| 15:17.45 | cr2_ | but you can switch off features if the zoom level is excceded. |
| 15:17.55 | cr2_ | it#s done in the style file. |
| 15:18.07 | cr2_ | can be done better. |
| 15:19.00 | kiozen | the idea of maplevels is not bad |
| 15:19.07 | kiozen | does the format support it? |
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| 15:20.48 | cr2_ | no. |
| 15:21.16 | cr2_ | at least not right now. |
| 15:21.24 | kiozen | does it support subdivisions like garmin? |
| 15:21.30 | cr2_ | but the data format is flexible enough. |
| 15:21.35 | cr2_ | partly. |
| 15:22.20 | cr2_ | the map area is split in 'squares' where the coordinates (in microdegrees) are < 2^16. |
| 15:22.49 | cr2_ | but it's only for the points and lines. the polygons can span the 'squares'. |
| 15:23.16 | cr2_ | which is probably is not a very good idea. |
| 15:23.48 | kiozen | I guess the went in afterwards |
| 15:23.58 | cr2_ | but then the map building process should cut the polygons by squares. |
| 15:24.09 | cr2_ | which will make it more complex. |
| 15:24.18 | cr2_ | but it's a good idea to do it. |
| 15:24.48 | kiozen | but then you can say: div 0..N : zoom1, N+1..M : zoom2 ... |
| 15:24.52 | cr2_ | i'm trying to understand now how the polygons are rendered, and how to support the poilygon islands. |
| 15:25.10 | cr2_ | yes, you are thinking in garmin terms :) |
| 15:25.32 | kiozen | their basic ideas are not bad after all |
| 15:25.38 | cr2_ | yes. |
| 15:25.54 | kiozen | it's just what they made out of it |
| 15:25.59 | cr2_ | there are many problems with roadmap now. |
| 15:26.09 | cr2_ | the poi labels are not rendered. |
| 15:26.19 | cr2_ | but tsdogs looks at it. |
| 15:26.31 | cr2_ | there are no poi icons. |
| 15:26.41 | cr2_ | the polygons are not labeled. |
| 15:27.19 | kiozen | as poi icons we can use the ones from GPSMan as QLandkarte does. |
| 15:27.20 | cr2_ | the search and indexing will have problems with multiple countries. |
| 15:27.41 | cr2_ | if you want to draw the QImages. |
| 15:27.54 | cr2_ | the problem is that roadmap is portable. |
| 15:28.07 | cr2_ | so it uses 'sprites' for drawing on the canvas. |
| 15:28.25 | cr2_ | which is a vector icon representation. |
| 15:28.39 | cr2_ | see the compass in the upper left corner. |
| 15:28.56 | kiozen | what's wrong with bitbliting bitmaps? |
| 15:29.26 | cr2_ | gtk/gtk2/qt23/qt4/wince/win32 |
| 15:29.43 | cr2_ | it's not wrong. |
| 15:29.49 | cr2_ | it's just not done. |
| 15:29.55 | cr2_ | or done only for wince. |
| 15:30.02 | cr2_ | or something like that. |
| 15:30.28 | cr2_ | roadmap also supports the canvas rotation. |
| 15:30.45 | cr2_ | then you need to have a way to bitblit the rotated icons. |
| 15:30.48 | cr2_ | ? |
| 15:31.09 | kiozen | with qt this is just a translation |
| 15:31.40 | kiozen | I do this with the livelog icon |
| 15:34.38 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 15:35.09 | kiozen | I have to move, wife is waiting in the non parking area :) |
| 15:35.12 | cr2_ | but it should go through the "portable canvas" interface. |
| 15:35.13 | kiozen | bye |
| 15:35.14 | cr2_ | ok. |
| 15:35.15 | cr2_ | bye. |
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| 16:28.49 | immolo | heya, someone gave me a link to some testing blueangel images for gpe and opie but I can't connect does anyone know where I can get these? |
| 16:42.29 | goxboxlive | cr2_: are you there? |
| 16:43.59 | goxboxlive | immolo: I guess that is BableO's ftp server. I think it's only online when BabelO is online. |
| 16:44.29 | immolo | goxboxlive- Thanks I just worked that out as you posted it |
| 16:44.31 | immolo | :P |
| 16:45.14 | goxboxlive | immolo: you can use universals imagea. Just change the kernel modules and zImage. |
| 16:45.24 | goxboxlive | You might also change some port settings |
| 16:45.40 | goxboxlive | s/imagea/images |
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| 18:53.42 | BabelO | hi |
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| 19:17.53 | psokolovsky | BabelO: Hi! I would like to remove old BA stuff from drivers/acx/. any issues? |
| 19:19.55 | BabelO | psokolovsky: hi, yes you can, we can do without now ;) |
| 19:20.09 | psokolovsky | ok |
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| 20:28.59 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO i'm here now |
| 20:29.36 | BabelO | goxboxlive: hi goxboxlive |
| 20:30.10 | BabelO | i m looking at the gpephone quickly to know how they work |
| 20:30.17 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:30.21 | BabelO | because i have some issue with modem |
| 20:30.29 | goxboxlive | have you build a gpephone image? |
| 20:31.23 | BabelO | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.28 | BabelO | and then rebuild a little ;) |
| 20:31.54 | goxboxlive | ok, |
| 20:32.05 | goxboxlive | do you manage to make calls, sms and so with BA? |
| 20:32.19 | goxboxlive | Maybe i should try it out with magician |
| 20:32.27 | BabelO | i have phoneserver working now |
| 20:32.39 | goxboxlive | wow |
| 20:32.45 | BabelO | yes on magician it is close to BA |
| 20:32.55 | goxboxlive | is it a patch or is it working out of the source? |
| 20:33.01 | goxboxlive | i know |
| 20:33.04 | BabelO | but can't compile the voicecall module, something wrong with it |
| 20:33.27 | goxboxlive | The phone app gui just fit qvga, it's looks crappy on universal has florian told me |
| 20:33.53 | goxboxlive | BabelO: for BA? |
| 20:36.43 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes, i have a bad library link, i wait for florian about this, and need to explain how it works with launching modules |
| 20:37.58 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i c. Do you build gpephone manually or do you build it with OE? |
| 20:38.16 | BabelO | with OE now it is more easy ;) |
| 20:38.24 | BabelO | but module by module not image |
| 20:38.54 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:39.39 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Have you made a lot of changes to the source? |
| 20:40.13 | BabelO | no, only two line in comment because AT command does not exist on BA and HTC device i think |
| 20:41.16 | goxboxlive | oh |
| 20:41.54 | goxboxlive | wich ones? I'll try build it too, Have to make a X11 image first (started a fresh new OE today, where running out of space) |
| 20:43.00 | BabelO | goxboxlive: patch is here http://pastebin.ca/618231 |
| 20:43.26 | goxboxlive | merci |
| 20:43.47 | BabelO | goxboxlive: de rien |
| 20:44.28 | goxboxlive | BabelO: so you are saying that it is working with BA. Do you think it works with Universal? |
| 20:44.42 | goxboxlive | I know florian has a Universal. |
| 20:45.35 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is not fully working since i can't compile other app, i m on it now.. phonserver service is working and speaking with phone module on device . It see incoming call |
| 20:45.50 | BabelO | but not on display, don't know why |
| 20:46.59 | goxboxlive | BabelO: ok i c. But it installs to the x11 image. I know you need to add something your local.conf to have it build, but it allways failes for me. This is what i got from florian |
| 20:48.03 | goxboxlive | BabelO: http://pastebin.ca/618236 |
| 20:49.25 | goxboxlive | BabelO: cr2 told me once that gsmd wouldnt fit our needs so building a phone app based on it for Opie2 is not worth it. Why is that? |
| 20:53.29 | BabelO | i ll look at other, because they started to work before on modem at command and there is some nice info on phoneserver, gnokii is only for old phone and not really to do phone management |
| 20:56.55 | goxboxlive | BabelO: so gsmd is based on gnokii? |
| 20:57.32 | BabelO | no, but phoneserver for gpephone have some old gnokii function basic |
| 20:57.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 21:05.46 | goxboxlive | BabelO: how is gnuphone ? Do you have it running now with the new release? |
| 21:07.48 | BabelO | no, i work only with your opieII image and have some problem to speak with modem, that's why i look what i do wrong |
| 21:08.39 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 21:09.36 | goxboxlive | BabelO: i am thinking of buying the FIC phone when it hits the mass market. I think it will be a good phone. It' will even be suplied with WIFI |
| 21:10.12 | BabelO | it is the one for openmoko ? |
| 21:11.06 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 21:11.56 | goxboxlive | You can buy the prereleasephone now, but it is suplied with a 200MHz cpu and no wifi. The mass market phone will be with 416MHz cpu and with wifi |
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| 21:30.51 | Shadowmite | I can't stand the thought of buying a phone that doesn't even support edge muchless hsdpa and beyond |
| 21:31.04 | Shadowmite | wifi is nice, but cell network should be the primary choice |
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| 23:09.50 | davf | Is anyone still interested in development on the HTC Alpine? |
| 23:10.41 | davf | I will be happy to do any testing to revive this project. I have an XDA IIi and I'm happy to try images and give feedback. |
| 23:11.48 | davf | I've read the Alpine info on xda-dev and would like to see the wifi and phone work. |