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00:46.32scatterp-hi any hardware people around i bought a blueangel since i lost my universal in a taxi and it had a bent pin on the sd reader so i took it apart (with magnetic screw drivers) and straitened the pin reassembled it and now it does not turn on no lights nothing any one have advice ?
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01:46.28scatterp-fixed..
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04:00.34tre9scatterp-, what fixed the problem?  Did you just disconnect and reconnect the battery?
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08:24.53boogiemanhello all; i'm thinking of installing linux on my Imate Jamin (HTC Prophet)... has anyone done this successfully? If so pls respond
08:26.02Foxdieboogieman: have you checked the handhelds.org page?
08:26.11Foxdietells you whats compatible and not
08:26.21Foxdieif you'd like I'll get you the URL
08:27.26Foxdieahh, checking the site, development hasn't started for it yet
08:27.58boogiemanFoxdie: thanks; that'll be great. Since i'm new to this and the site itself, i'm rather lost in that site
08:28.01Foxdieyou can try one of the other versions, so long as you choose not to install to flash no change is permanent
08:28.27Foxdiehttp://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones
08:29.45boogiemanFoxdie: I've visited that site before and i'll go through it now ...
08:30.05boogiemanbut can you tell me the normal steps we should follow in installing a linux distro on this phone
08:30.25boogiemanall i have is my phone, USB cable and 1GB SD Card
08:30.38boogiemanwill that suffix to begin my journey ?
08:33.16FoxdieYes
08:33.23Foxdieits a 2 stage install
08:34.01Foxdiethe first is to boot from a ramdisk and partition the SD card into two partition; one FAT16/32 one for windows to read and to store the installers on, and a second EXT3 to install the linux on
08:34.30Foxdiethe second stage is to untar all the files from the installer to the new EXT3 partition
08:34.47Foxdieonce you've done that, you can boot from the new partition and enjoy linuxy goodness in your diet
08:35.08Foxdieand when you've had enough, simply reboot and you'll boot back into windows
08:35.18Foxdieno permanent changes are made bar what oyu make to the filesystem on the SD card
08:35.51boogiemanFoxdie: thanks for sharing this info with me.. however; how can i boot from a ramdisk? how do I do this ?
08:36.23Foxdiethere is a executable you run in windows
08:36.29Foxdieits called HARET.exe
08:36.51Foxdieyou run that, and select a text file which is like a descriptor for how to boot into linux
08:37.04Foxdieyou can stick it in your start menu for easy access too
08:39.09boogiemanthanks again
08:40.34Foxdiewhen I say windows, I mean windows mobile, not windows on a desktop pc ;)
08:41.07FoxdieI suggest you search through that website for the one that closely matches your device and there's a good chance it should work for it
08:42.15boogiemanok, i'll familiarize myself with the website first
08:44.30Foxdieyou may find things like wifi don't work, the hardware differs from device to device
08:44.44Foxdiebut if you ask here you might be able to find the driver seperately to add to the ROM
08:45.15Foxdieand if you feel confident enough, maybe you could become an "ambassador" for the prophet here? ;)
08:45.23Foxdie(aka head up development)
08:46.54boogiemani don't think my current background will help in that; but atleast i can improve the documentation on this subject with my experience
08:47.09FoxdieEvery little helps :)
08:48.06boogiemanthanks Foxdie; i'll drop by this channel from time to time to get guidance
08:48.31FoxdieYou're more than welcome to
08:48.44pH5yeah, the more the merrier!
08:48.53Foxdieyep :)
08:49.23Foxdiespeaking of which, I wonder if any of the Universal lot want a semi-dead universal motherboard for testing
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09:04.22boogiemanFoxdie: i download haret-0.4.8.exe however what are these 'installation files' you mentioned above
09:06.38Foxdieyou need to go into the downloads / kernel section of another device
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09:08.06boogiemanok; does haret come with 'tar' so i can untar them ?
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09:08.32Foxdiethere's a mini image you need to download
09:08.42Foxdiethe ramdisk image its referred to as
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09:12.53Foxdiewb goxboxlive
09:13.12goxboxlivehi, network problems :-)
09:19.36boogiemanFoxdie: handhelds has two websites; one with moin and another with geeklog (confusing; but getting around it)
09:20.28Foxdiemoin is the main one
09:20.36Foxdieread off the specs of your prophet
09:20.46Foxdieand I'll help you pick one
09:21.40boogiemanthanks Foxdie
09:21.48boogiemanhere goes; 'Device Information'
09:22.06Foxdiegoxboxlive: how are you today?
09:23.30boogiemanCPU: OMAP850, Speed: 195MHz, RAM Size: 64MB, Flash size : 128MB, Flash chip type : M-Systems, Data bus : 16bits Storage size 42.55MB, LCD:240x320, Colors : 65536
09:24.55boogiemanROM Version : 2.13.9.23 WWE, Radio version : 1_02.20.21, Protocol version: 4.1.13.9, ExtROM version: 2.13.9.126
09:26.42Foxdieactually I look further into it now, the prophet will only boot from haret ramdisk image, there's no compatible rom as of yet
09:26.54Foxdiegoxboxlive may know more
09:27.13Foxdieooh btw goxboxlive, could you make use of a semi-working universal motherboard?
09:33.37goxboxliveFoxdie, no i dont have any used for that. Maybe cr2 can take advantage of it.
10:06.37Foxdieok
10:06.40boogiemanFoxdie: Thanks
10:15.07boogiemanFoxdie: i'm running haret on my Jamin.. can you pls. suggest a sample text file to load and to the partitioning ?
10:21.52Foxdieit should have come with one
10:22.08Foxdiehere are the universal files, maybe some are compatible:
10:22.54Foxdiehttp://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalHowtoInstallLinux
10:27.26boogiemanFoxdie: thanks for providing this link
10:28.09boogiemanhowever, now i'm more interested in how you really came across that link. I've been reading up the handsheld.org website and was not able to get reach this site
10:28.44boogiemaneven getting documentation about haret is a problem; only a google search provided the link to haret
10:30.01Foxdiegoogle
10:30.07Foxdie"handhelds.org universal"
10:30.21Foxdiehow I originally came by it was a google search for linux on htc universal
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14:48.18Foxdiehmm
14:48.37KeizerSorp
14:48.40Foxdiewhat are openmoko doing to combat the iphone for super sexy interfaceness? :)
14:48.46Foxdiehi Keizer
14:49.04KeizerDunno what they doing. I'm a gpe guy
14:51.44Foxdieit just struck me that openmoko and iphones interface are quite similar
14:51.56Foxdieand I wondered if they had a trick up their sleeve to better steve jobs :)
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14:53.35Keizerlol
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15:10.16scatterp-hows linux for the blue angel ?
15:10.45KeizerNo idea
15:10.49KeizerI'm building for Apache
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15:34.58KeizerWelcome Hawk|-
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15:42.54goxboxlivehi
15:47.41Keizergoxboxlive: Welcome ^_^
15:47.49goxboxlivehi Keizer
15:48.01Keizergoxboxlive: I was almost into Linux
15:48.08KeizerI think I have to build a Kernel without images
15:48.24KeizerHowever, now I am going to produce a cpio image
15:48.42KeizerHow do you present a cpio image to the kernel through the heret though?
15:51.26goxboxliveKeizer, thsi is how we do it with HTC Universal when we are using a initrd:
15:51.29goxboxliveset KERNEL zImage
15:51.29goxboxliveset INITRD rd
15:51.29goxboxliveset CMDLINE "root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc ramdisk_size=14336 keepinitrd console=tty0 mem=63M fbcon=rotate:1"
15:51.29goxboxliveboot2
15:53.42Keizerrawk
15:53.49KeizerWhy boot2?
16:05.56Keizergoxboxlive: Do you know why packages/perl/perl-native_5.8.8.bb will always fail?
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17:05.08elliswayevening all
17:45.29KeizerGuten tag ellisway
17:53.33goxboxliveKeizer, i have no idea why perl-native doesnt build, mine is ok so i have no idea. Do you have the output of the bug?
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18:08.52Keizergoxboxlive: How can I clean my build directory to rebuild everything?
18:09.13goxboxliveKeizer, delete your work directory
18:09.25Keizergoxboxlive: ^_^
18:09.37KeizerI still don't think i'll be able to build the perl-native but i'll try
18:09.57KeizerWhat's the normaly build order? You just type: bitbake gpe-image ?
18:10.02goxboxliveKeizer, hold on
18:10.39goxboxlivejust try bitbake -crebuild perl-native (or what the package is named) and pastebin the output
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18:15.11KeizerDamn
18:15.18KeizerThis is the furthest it has ever gotten
18:15.23KeizerStill hasn't stopped
18:16.30Keizergoxboxlive: Just died
18:16.35Keizerthere's a lot of output
18:16.53goxboxlivenot here, pastebin.ca
18:17.45Keizerhttp://pastebin.ca/595888
18:19.13Keizergoxboxlive: There's output above that but this is always the part where it fails
18:19.22goxboxlivenp
18:21.14Keizer#
18:21.15Keizer| SysV.xs:7:25: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory
18:21.17Keizer#
18:21.37Keizer| make[1]: *** [SysV.o] Error 1
18:22.09goxboxliveKeizer, do you have all this installed? http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/RequiredSoftware
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18:34.29Keizergoxboxlive: I went over the OE and your distro portion before
18:34.31KeizerI'll go over this
18:36.46Keizergoxboxlive: Know any use flags that Perl should be build with?
18:40.58goxboxliveKeizer, no i have no idea. Maybe you miss some perl headers
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19:05.07Keizergoxboxlive: I'm doing my dilligence ^_^
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20:46.06BabelOHI
20:46.33BabelOeverybody sleeping or at the beach, swimming ?
20:46.37BabelO:)
20:51.39BabelOok, one beer if someone answer why got this error when compiling qtopia with OE cross compiler /local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libdl.so: file not recognized: File format not recognized
20:58.49goxboxlivehi BabelO
20:58.58BabelOheya goxboxlive
20:59.20goxboxliveWell swimming up here nirth is not an option  :-)
20:59.32goxboxlives/nirth/north/
20:59.54BabelO<PROTECTED>
20:59.57goxboxlive:-)
21:00.23goxboxliveBabelO,  i have volume button working in both magician and universal now
21:00.35BabelOi can't compile with OE cross compiler , which one did you use ?
21:00.42goxboxliveI'll up the defaultbuttons.conf
21:00.56BabelOgood, and power button on magician ?
21:01.58goxboxliveBabelO, i have had the same problem my self with a lot of crosscompilers, but i got one that suddenly worked, its from 2007.19.05
21:02.07goxboxliveNo, power doesnt work
21:02.21BabelOok
21:02.26goxboxlivepH5, told me that it was oposite as power button on universal
21:02.44goxboxliveone of them send a reset or something he told me.
21:03.14BabelOok
21:03.37goxboxliveI have done some commits to htcphone at xanadux
21:04.08goxboxliveIf there are some ugly ones feel free to revert them.
21:04.36BabelOno problem, i can check as soo, as i can compile myself
21:05.25goxboxlivegood. I have allmost the keyboard working for Universal now, just need to figure out [shift] to work properly
21:05.52goxboxliveAlso buttons for menus in Qtopia
21:06.27BabelOok, i m on holyday for one week, i can look at a lot of thing i hope
21:06.46goxboxliveBut there is an issue i have with suspend/lcd off/lcd dim
21:06.48goxboxlive:-)
21:07.23goxboxliveIn powermanagment there is three optipons under battery and AC
21:08.09goxboxliveits
21:08.59goxboxlive1) Dim light 2) lcd off and suspend* (suspend will appear if you add Hardware.conf to the device folder)
21:09.12goxboxliveBut for me it seems like it suspends no mather what.
21:09.39BabelOok, you learn me something ;)
21:09.55goxboxlivei van commit the file
21:10.55goxboxliveIt ssem like display off is working now,hmm
21:11.20goxboxliveBut anyway, anothe thing that does not work is the AC/Battery detection. Do you know why?
21:11.47BabelOyes i think
21:12.02goxboxlivewhy?
21:13.25BabelOi  think we have to create an switch event for ac/battery plug, headphone plug and also cover open for you ;) and also same line as for speakerphone in htcphonehardware.cpp
21:14.24goxboxliveok
21:14.33goxboxliveis it complex?
21:14.59BabelOhum, you have already event for light sensor on universal ?
21:16.02BabelOyou can look at greephone hardware.cpp they look at an ioctl dev and do same thing
21:16.47goxboxliveBabelO, hmm ok intresting
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21:18.13BabelOinteresting, two cr2  ;)
21:20.03cr2_yeah, it's the notebook running 3 X servers :)
21:20.50cr2_BabelO: if you add the $STAGING links to the qtopia-extra, then the host binaries are confused.
21:21.15cr2_i've solved the problem by manually editing the makefiles for uic,rcc and moc.
21:22.12BabelOcr2_: thanks, i ve doing same thing first time... but it failed after this three tools
21:23.56BabelOi try also to add -language for de_DE and fr_FR, but then all switch after this line failed
21:24.01cr2_then your configure is incorrect.
21:24.29cr2_it adds some locales even if not asked for.
21:24.31BabelOcr2_: yes, sure... i try to configure again with your tips
21:24.48cr2_post your configure
21:25.04cr2_i have -xplatform htcphone too
21:25.24BabelOi just change my qmake.conf in mkspecs directory
21:26.31BabelOcr2_: http://pastebin.ca/596314
21:28.20cr2_-I/local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include
21:28.21cr2_-L/local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib
21:28.21cr2_-I/usr/local/arm/include
21:28.29cr2_i don't have these.
21:28.43cr2_but have
21:28.45cr2_-extra-qtopiacore-config "-I/local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include"
21:28.55cr2_-extra-qtopiacore-config "-L/local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib"
21:29.13BabelOreally ? ok then doing like you :)
21:29.26cr2_-dbus -dbuspath /local/OE/tmp/rootfs/usr
21:29.35cr2_this points for staging/ too
21:30.04BabelOcr2_: have problems with dbus detect
21:31.01BabelOcr2_: you poitn dbuspath to where ? /local/OE/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
21:35.02cr2_let me have a look.
21:35.36BabelOalsa failed now
21:36.29BabelOok it is me, i made a mistake in include path
21:36.36cr2_yes, to staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi
21:36.51BabelOthanks
21:37.02cr2_do you have respective libs and includes in staging/ ?
21:37.09BabelOyes
21:37.11cr2_ok.
21:37.28BabelOi build a console image before
21:38.45BabelOcr2_: you are not driving to italia this weekend ?
21:39.02cr2_yes, tomorrow.
21:39.18BabelOok, long road ;(
21:40.09cr2_1300km
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21:41.14BabelOdbus detect failed ans alsa too
21:42.30cr2_strange.
21:43.02cr2_but since the files are there, then it's some configure/makefile weirdness.
21:43.31cr2_Keizer: what is your kernel target in OE ?
22:05.06goxboxliveBabelO, hasent dbus and alsa some other names in OE ? Like dbus-1.so vs. dbus.so and libasound.so and so?
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22:05.50BabelOgoxboxlive: already renamed since a while ;)
22:06.01goxboxliveok :-)
22:21.47Keizercr2_: Target machine?
22:24.37cr2_Keizer: yes. you are missing the kernel headers.
22:24.42cr2_asm/*.h
22:34.50KeizerAh snap
22:34.54KeizerWhere do I get those?
22:36.30cr2_can you compile for the universal ?
22:40.01Keizercr2_: I dunno
22:40.01KeizerI have an HTCApache
22:43.17cr2_how are you compiling  the kernel ?
22:43.47KeizerI compiled it by downloading from source
22:43.55KeizerCVS checkout from handhelds site
22:44.03cr2_and in the OE ?
22:44.42KeizerI used the Familiar OE
22:46.19cr2_ok, then i don't know.
22:46.50cr2_imho you should use angstrom.
22:55.33Keizercr2_: I think that's what I will do next

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