| 00:06.18 | Kevin2 | cr2: Are you around? Have you heard of the Mio P550? |
| 00:54.12 | regulate | cc1: error: invalid option `abi=aapcs-linux' |
| 01:19.57 | regulate | rm !$ |
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| 07:52.48 | cr2 | regulate: your gcc version does not mach the kernel config. |
| 07:58.12 | kiozen | cr2: fixed global warming in QLandkarte. World maps get rendered properly, now. |
| 07:58.20 | kiozen | changes are in repository |
| 08:08.12 | cr2 | kiozen: svn up |
| 08:08.24 | kiozen | :) |
| 08:09.42 | cr2 | it seems that the 4MB RAM size prediction may be incorrect. |
| 08:10.23 | kiozen | yes, I read the logs this morning |
| 08:10.37 | cr2 | because i've looked at i3, it has a different value for the SDRAM_CONFIG register which can't be decoded at all using the datasheet table. |
| 08:10.56 | cr2 | it's a datasheet for a different cpu after all ;) |
| 08:11.36 | kiozen | thus chances are good it has 2GB and qlandkarte will run from scratch? |
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| 08:11.55 | cr2 | :) |
| 08:12.12 | cr2 | yes, the worldmap works for me too. thanks :) |
| 08:13.18 | cr2 | does not look like the eckert II projection. mercator. |
| 08:14.05 | kiozen | ? huh |
| 08:14.17 | kiozen | the projection is applied by qlandkarte |
| 08:14.46 | kiozen | thus its configurable |
| 08:14.56 | cr2 | ok, i've set mercator. you are right. |
| 08:15.21 | cr2 | funny, the chinese have their own names for all the cities in the world. |
| 08:15.58 | kiozen | i guess it's the phonetic rep in simplyfied chinese |
| 08:16.43 | cr2 | yeah, we actually do it in the same way. |
| 08:18.07 | cr2 | one thing comes to my mind: you don't draw pixmaps for the map POIs ? |
| 08:18.39 | kiozen | only a few like summits |
| 08:19.09 | cr2 | ok. sometimes it's nice to have, but in many cases just spams the canvas. |
| 08:19.27 | kiozen | and to add more is quite boring to code |
| 08:19.33 | kiozen | :) |
| 08:19.43 | cr2 | :) |
| 08:19.51 | kiozen | same as waypoint symbols |
| 08:20.04 | kiozen | I still wait for someone to contribute that |
| 08:20.09 | cr2 | excellent program. |
| 08:20.27 | kiozen | thanks :) |
| 08:20.45 | cr2 | i can do it, but too many other things detract me :) |
| 08:21.17 | cr2 | btw, do you have this 4pin serial cable ? |
| 08:21.19 | kiozen | let's wait for one willing to help but not good at coding |
| 08:21.40 | kiozen | it's easy to do, just boring work |
| 08:22.08 | cr2 | i think if the program will compile for windows (mingw) even without usb, the chances are very good. |
| 08:22.59 | kiozen | I used some linux headers, can't remember where |
| 08:23.09 | kiozen | but it's not too much |
| 08:23.48 | kiozen | one ore two days for someone knowing windows |
| 08:24.06 | cr2 | ok. |
| 08:24.34 | cr2 | i only use mingw-ce because we need it to boot linux. |
| 08:25.17 | kiozen | for windows it needs some installer, else noone will use it |
| 08:25.48 | kiozen | I addore Garmin's string placement algo. It's really good. |
| 08:25.58 | kiozen | one of the few gems by Garmin :) |
| 08:26.18 | cr2 | it's impossible to boot linux without knowing where is the RAM and its size, so i'm thinking about something smaller. like EOL bootloader. |
| 08:27.11 | cr2 | the placement algorithm used by mapnik/openstreetmap is not bad. |
| 08:27.39 | kiozen | should have a look at it |
| 08:38.09 | BabelO | hi |
| 08:38.39 | BabelO | cr2: do you know that qpegps is available in two version, there is a fork of it called qpegps NV |
| 08:39.16 | BabelO | using google maps |
| 08:40.36 | BabelO | http://gtm.tel.uva.es/ztep/maps/dmap.htm |
| 08:41.24 | cr2 | BabelO: no. can you send me a link ? we need to ask tsdogs if it's too much effort to port the gui code. |
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| 08:42.05 | cr2 | i think it's just a program to dowload the tiles |
| 08:42.38 | BabelO | it is a french link :( http://www.ngsoft-fr.com/fr/page.php?q=fiches/articles/Navigation_GPS_qpegpsnv# |
| 08:42.46 | cr2 | kiozen: if i#ll flash some random junk instead of the firmware, can it be easily reflashed ? |
| 08:42.57 | kiozen | second, cutomer .. |
| 08:43.17 | cr2 | BabelO: thanks. |
| 08:43.22 | cr2 | bbl. |
| 08:53.01 | BabelO | kiozen : do you know this tools ? http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/gpsbabel/ |
| 08:58.38 | cr2 | BabelO: Binaire (testé avec le Zaurus 5500 sous la Sharp Rom et la Cacko ROM) |
| 08:58.49 | cr2 | is a bad sign |
| 08:59.44 | cr2 | it's sharp-qtopia2 only. as the main version, which always had problems with openzaurus/oe. |
| 08:59.51 | BabelO | cr2 : there is also it s own svn repository |
| 09:00.05 | cr2 | i'll check. |
| 09:00.06 | cr2 | bbl |
| 09:31.27 | kiozen | cr2: which one should I know gpsbabel(yes) or gpsvisualizer(no) |
| 09:32.46 | kiozen | cr2: concerning flash: don't know how robust / picky Garmin's update tools are |
| 09:33.11 | kiozen | hope they do not check firmware and refuse to work on failure |
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| 11:12.59 | cr2 | kiozen: regions 0x3 0xa 0xc 0xe for flashing/updating. does it say you anything ? i've read 0x3 is the basemap, 0xc is the loader, and 0xe is the firmware. these people do not say more, probably because they earn money in this reflashing business ;) |
| 11:14.19 | kiozen | 0x3 0xa 0xc 0xe -> where do you see these values |
| 11:14.50 | cr2 | it's for the fw update process. |
| 11:15.11 | kiozen | is that part of the usb protocol? |
| 11:15.33 | cr2 | get the 'flawia' source and have a look at the gunp program (garmin unpack i guess) |
| 11:16.02 | kiozen | ahh, now I get you :) I have a look |
| 11:16.12 | cr2 | i don't know, i've just read some comments from a gps forum archive. |
| 11:20.47 | kiozen | cr2: can't find source code just binaries |
| 11:21.35 | cr2 | in the CVS |
| 11:22.24 | cr2 | http://flawia.cvs.sourceforge.net/flawia/gunp/gunp.cpp?view=log |
| 11:22.34 | kiozen | ah |
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| 11:25.38 | cr2 | unsigned short m_FlashID; ? |
| 11:37.00 | kiozen | hm, except the obvious that it splits the rgn file, it's all nonsense to me |
| 11:38.00 | cr2 | the splitting parameters are important, i'll add more debugging printks. |
| 11:38.29 | cr2 | imho it's the only way to boot linux for us |
| 11:38.42 | cr2 | to create such an image, upload it and restart the device. |
| 11:41.05 | kiozen | if it's the same rgn filename the Winows updater should do for the first time# |
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| 11:47.58 | cr2 | yes, we need to create an updater, where the firmware is linux or linux bootloader:) |
| 11:52.45 | cr2 | BabelO: it looks that the code was rewritten. i'll pull the full svn. |
| 11:55.57 | cr2 | BabelO: some changes are really big. |
| 11:56.03 | BabelO | cr2: ok, but it use flat image for maps... |
| 11:56.14 | BabelO | GpsBabel is a really powerfull tools |
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| 12:05.26 | BabelO | cr2: they use goodle maps for their route planning :), so it is not a real solution |
| 12:14.21 | kiozen | gpsbabel does not support maps |
| 12:26.17 | cr2 | kiozen: is there any rationale for not having libgpsbabel.so ? |
| 12:27.05 | kiozen | robert lipe refuses to provide one :) |
| 12:27.08 | cr2 | BabelO: qpegps is for using raster maps, not for route planning :) |
| 12:27.19 | kiozen | and I did not want to do it |
| 12:27.21 | cr2 | kiozen: it's free software after all. |
| 12:27.25 | cr2 | ok. |
| 12:27.40 | kiozen | I had some coversation with him |
| 12:27.57 | cr2 | i guess you'll add the raster overlay to qlandkarte. |
| 12:28.06 | kiozen | he suggested to wrap the command line |
| 12:28.10 | cr2 | are you planning to add the map editing ? |
| 12:28.28 | kiozen | no map editing planned |
| 12:28.31 | cr2 | ok. |
| 12:28.46 | cr2 | that makes sense actually not to do it here. |
| 12:29.00 | kiozen | you have to store the data in a different way to make it editable |
| 12:29.21 | cr2 | yes, and there are other tools. no need to reinvent the wheel. |
| 12:29.22 | kiozen | and it's much more complicated |
| 12:29.29 | cr2 | like qgis for example. |
| 12:30.19 | kiozen | don't know what to do with raster maps. Maybe a new app |
| 12:30.34 | kiozen | haven't decided yet |
| 12:30.47 | cr2 | qpegps :) |
| 12:31.17 | cr2 | _nv |
| 12:32.42 | kiozen | looking at the page. I use that Zaurus 5500 to control my HTPC :) |
| 12:33.22 | cr2 | the new code is not qt4 friendly. |
| 12:33.40 | cr2 | i have 5500G too. somewhere at home :) |
| 12:34.13 | cr2 | with the free MMC/SD driver it will return to real life. |
| 12:34.45 | kiozen | I just use wlan and opera |
| 12:35.04 | kiozen | it was the cheapest PDA with wlan at that time |
| 12:35.13 | kiozen | and I liked the keyboard :) |
| 12:36.43 | cr2 | the keyboard is ok for such formfactor. but it took some time to find ma701 cf wifi card at that time. |
| 12:37.12 | cr2 | qpegps.h:47:32: error: qpe/qpeapplication.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:37.13 | cr2 | qpegps.h:48:34: error: qpe/qcopenvelope_qws.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:37.23 | cr2 | hmm. even with _DDESKTOP=1 |
| 12:38.44 | cr2 | now i just 'd like to remove all that legacy stuff from there ;) |
| 12:42.12 | cr2 | friend Speakers; |
| 12:42.25 | cr2 | gcc does not accept ths syntax since ages. |
| 12:42.30 | cr2 | friend class Speakers; |
| 12:50.06 | BabelO | kiozen : : you have my HTPC ;) i have Mythtv |
| 12:50.37 | kiozen | your HTPC? huh |
| 12:50.59 | kiozen | it's my own code :) |
| 12:51.19 | kiozen | not released sofar |
| 12:51.34 | kiozen | I do not watch TV |
| 12:52.11 | kiozen | I needed a good html interface for music |
| 12:52.11 | BabelO | kiozen : ah , ok i speak about that http://www.mythtv.org |
| 12:52.38 | kiozen | yes I know it. but you need a screen for most of the time |
| 12:52.46 | kiozen | my solution is screen less. |
| 12:53.13 | kiozen | It would take to much time to switch on the beamer |
| 12:53.49 | kiozen | just a bunch of python scripts and xine and mplayer |
| 12:54.03 | kiozen | I took quite some ideas from freevo |
| 12:54.28 | BabelO | kiozen: i use it to record my tv program according to a regexp expression and also it is usefull to remove advertising |
| 12:54.54 | kiozen | if you watch TV :) I quit doing that 10 years ago |
| 12:55.18 | BabelO | yes, i know freevo too |
| 12:55.36 | BabelO | i use also SIP phone functionnality with webcam |
| 13:05.48 | cr2 | kiozen: you are a luddite :) i didn't watch TV only since 2 years. |
| 13:07.03 | kiozen | it's amazing how much time you have once you quit watching :) |
| 13:08.17 | pH5 | seems like tvlessness is quite common in this channel |
| 13:12.00 | HellDesk_ | yeah... torrents rock.. :) |
| 13:15.11 | cr2 | :) |
| 13:15.32 | cr2 | yes, it's amazing. now i need to reduce the time i spend for hacking. |
| 13:15.40 | kiozen | lol |
| 13:16.07 | BabelO | lol |
| 13:19.10 | BabelO | cr2 : : so how much is ram size on 76Cx ? |
| 13:24.56 | cr2 | BabelO: it's not known. |
| 13:26.24 | BabelO | cr2 : : so need to use bruce force system ? |
| 13:27.04 | cr2 | i'll try to flash something very simple, like writing a line to the framebuffer. |
| 13:27.38 | cr2 | i don't know where is the framebuffer :) ,but hope that it's the same as on other omap cpus. |
| 13:28.07 | cr2 | i hope that the cpu is that mmu is off, but i can check it. |
| 13:28.13 | BabelO | cr2: yes, not enought space to add a graphic chipset ;) |
| 13:28.32 | cr2 | no graphic chipset for sure. |
| 13:29.11 | cr2 | so if the writing to LCD will work, i can printf() the certain cpu registers and so on. |
| 13:30.53 | cr2 | another option is to use the serial cable, but then i need to find or solder the strange garmin 4pin connector. |
| 13:32.09 | cr2 | i'll try to decode the flash setup registers. maybe it will provide me some useful info. |
| 13:37.24 | BabelO | so you add your code in loader.fw ? better place ? |
| 13:42.07 | cr2 | loader is a bit risky. i'll better replace the main firmware. |
| 13:43.14 | cr2 | i don't know the flashchip sizes or locations, but i guess there are at least 3 "partitions" |
| 13:43.35 | cr2 | the boot, the basemap and the main firmware. |
| 13:44.43 | cr2 | once linux runs from ram, it will be possible to use a linux eeprom reader code and check the CS0/CS1/CS2/CS3. |
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| 14:45.17 | Uatec | Hi there |
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| 14:46.43 | Uatec | i know it's not a linux question, but here is the closest place i've been able to find, but does anybody know of any HTC Universal Windows Mobile 6 IRC channels? |
| 14:52.46 | BabelO | Uatec : : only this http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=WM6_Universal, check the forum |
| 14:53.31 | Uatec | yeah, been posting on the forum |
| 14:54.38 | cr2 | BabelO: a.showMainWidget(&viewer) not in qt3 ? |
| 14:55.37 | BabelO | cr2: not sure, but it is a strange use |
| 14:56.56 | cr2 | qpegps is very strange in some places. |
| 14:57.19 | cr2 | QApplication a(argc, argv); |
| 14:57.28 | cr2 | QWidgetStack viewer; |
| 14:57.36 | cr2 | / create the *viewer* which can switch between full screen and normal |
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| 14:58.05 | cr2 | a.showMainWidget(&viewer); |
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| 14:58.28 | cr2 | Qpegps qpegps(dir, &viewer); |
| 14:58.33 | cr2 | viewer.addWidget(&qpegps, 0); |
| 14:59.07 | BabelO | cr2 : : it is for qt2 not qt3 |
| 14:59.34 | BabelO | now you need to create a layout then addWidget to layout |
| 15:01.01 | cr2 | i wanted to check if it works at all. |
| 15:02.38 | cr2 | i've added just qpegps.show(); |
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| 15:03.47 | cr2 | hmm. it works, but does not show anything. |
| 15:05.58 | cr2 | anyway, so it compiles with some hacks on desktop qt3, so somebody more experienced than i will be able to make it run. |
| 15:06.17 | cr2 | qt4 is much more work because of the very strange layout code there. |
| 15:07.02 | cr2 | i've commented the QCop and Config code out. |
| 15:11.45 | BabelO | ok |
| 15:14.33 | BabelO | cr2: and base code is different from qpegps ? |
| 15:16.12 | tsdogs | cr2: what are you working on? |
| 15:16.21 | tsdogs | qpegps ok |
| 15:16.28 | tsdogs | :) |
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| 15:18.06 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've just compiled it. for a guru like you it's much easier :) |
| 15:18.23 | cr2 | it runs but does not show the widget. |
| 15:18.30 | tsdogs | :) |
| 15:18.39 | cr2 | the main widget. |
| 15:18.41 | tsdogs | just because of the addWidget and so on |
| 15:18.47 | cr2 | probably. |
| 15:20.13 | tsdogs | want me to check it out? |
| 15:22.03 | cr2 | qt4 ? :) |
| 15:22.23 | tsdogs | qt3 first :) |
| 15:22.31 | tsdogs | what branch? |
| 15:22.54 | cr2 | i#ve commented out some pieces out of it. |
| 15:22.54 | cr2 | take the CVS head. |
| 15:23.12 | tsdogs | ok |
| 15:23.13 | cr2 | btw, there were some big commits into roadmap_editor tree yesterday. |
| 15:23.30 | cr2 | don't look at the non-gui stuff. |
| 15:23.50 | cr2 | it's a bit junky anyway. |
| 15:24.27 | cr2 | the inability to compile it on normal qt3 stopped me from thinking about doing any changes to qpegps. |
| 15:25.37 | tsdogs | hmm no Makefile ? |
| 15:28.54 | cr2 | .pro |
| 15:29.07 | tsdogs | yes |
| 15:29.19 | cr2 | Makefile.arm is for sharp |
| 15:29.23 | cr2 | use qmake |
| 15:33.11 | tsdogs | how did you solve the DESKTOP not working? |
| 15:34.37 | cr2 | by adding -DDESKTOP=1 to the makefile, and by doing #if !DESKTOP the include <qpe/*.h> to <q*.h> where it's possible. |
| 15:34.53 | tsdogs | ok |
| 15:37.26 | cr2 | afair DESKTOP never compiled. |
| 15:37.44 | tsdogs | :) I think so too |
| 15:38.15 | tsdogs | from where should libgpsmm.h come from? |
| 15:43.24 | pH5 | when I boot with the usb cable plugged in, the boot process seems much faster on magician than when it is running from battery (in wince). I thought this is due to a different memory/cpu clock, but CCCR/CCLKCFG/MDREFR are exactly the same in both cases. is there anything else that could be responsible? |
| 15:48.40 | cr2 | tsdogs: hmm. strange. |
| 15:48.51 | tsdogs | ? |
| 15:49.04 | cr2 | tsdogs: libgpsmm.h |
| 15:49.09 | tsdogs | resolved |
| 15:49.12 | cr2 | ok. |
| 15:49.34 | cr2 | pH5: linux boot process ? |
| 15:51.36 | pH5 | cr2: yes. and cpld gpios are the same, too (except for the charger pin) |
| 15:55.03 | cr2 | pH5: strange. |
| 15:55.47 | pH5 | yup, that's what I thought. |
| 15:56.15 | pH5 | and when I disable the gsm part in wince, linux doesn't start at all. |
| 15:59.56 | pH5 | wait, that is not true. |
| 16:00.05 | pH5 | s/doesn't/sometimes doesn't/ |
| 16:04.50 | cr2 | pH5: do you have gsm on /dev/ttyS0 ? |
| 16:05.31 | pH5 | ttyS0 is gsm data, ttyS1 is gsm AT |
| 16:09.18 | pH5 | hmm and I can't get the gsm modem to talk to me when it wasn't initialized in wince. I guess there is still work to do... |
| 16:16.16 | cr2 | it seems so. |
| 16:18.42 | pH5 | the latter is clear, wince empties the UART GAFR bits when the phone is not used. |
| 16:19.39 | pH5 | i wonder if this really saves some power |
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| 16:51.45 | cr2 | pH5: i see a small bug in disassemble.py |
| 16:52.57 | cr2 | tsdogs: can you tell me what lat/lon rectange do you need ? |
| 16:53.09 | cr2 | s/rectange/rectangle/ |
| 16:53.33 | tsdogs | cr2: what do you mean I need ? |
| 16:53.56 | cr2 | for roadmap |
| 16:53.59 | tsdogs | builded qpegps :) |
| 16:54.06 | cr2 | does it run ? |
| 16:54.32 | tsdogs | cannot open gps etc, and no map, but yes |
| 16:54.41 | cr2 | great. |
| 16:55.02 | pH5 | cr2: which one did you find? |
| 16:55.14 | cr2 | pH5: |
| 16:55.18 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.18 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.18 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.41 | cr2 | why is the second line decoded twice ? |
| 16:55.55 | cr2 | dereferenced twice. |
| 16:56.31 | regulate | how to connect to my hermes' bootloader via usb+linux |
| 16:57.04 | cr2 | regulate: do you see it with 'lsusb' ? |
| 16:57.43 | regulate | yup |
| 16:57.57 | cr2 | vendor id ? |
| 16:58.05 | pH5 | cr2: iirc it just checks whether the value is inside one of the vma sections, could be a pointer after all. maybe something went wrong with the section parsing. |
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| 16:59.10 | cr2 | pH5: ok, it's the only glitch i can see. otherwise it's an extremely cool program :) |
| 16:59.45 | regulate | cr2: dmesg says its an ipaq |
| 17:00.07 | cr2 | regulate: ok, then you should have /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:00.28 | cr2 | cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 17:00.30 | cr2 | or minicom |
| 17:00.38 | regulate | excellent |
| 17:00.39 | regulate | ty |
| 17:00.52 | regulate | i was looking for lowercase usb0 |
| 17:01.17 | cr2 | it's a net device. like eth0. |
| 17:01.22 | cr2 | not the serial port. |
| 17:01.34 | cr2 | the bootloader is a usb-serial port |
| 17:02.36 | regulate | now to figure out how to load the kernel on it |
| 17:04.18 | cr2 | regulate: it has nothing to do with the bootloader. |
| 17:04.50 | regulate | up a level? |
| 17:04.56 | regulate | kilt ? |
| 17:05.09 | cr2 | it's booted directly from wince. |
| 17:05.14 | regulate | i see |
| 17:05.17 | cr2 | using 'haret' |
| 17:05.29 | BabelO | tsdogs : you compile qpegps_nv ? |
| 17:05.46 | cr2 | BabelO: main CVS |
| 17:06.03 | cr2 | _nv has some weird sound module, which i've commented out :) |
| 17:06.24 | cr2 | BabelO: i guess we can add qpegps to the xanadux CVS. |
| 17:06.43 | cr2 | maybe we should removed outdated junk from it too :) |
| 17:06.44 | tsdogs | BabelO: NV? |
| 17:07.21 | cr2 | tsdogs: |
| 17:07.23 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.57 | tsdogs | cr2 BabelO: no normal qpegps |
| 17:08.09 | tsdogs | cr2: with some bugs, it works. where do I get the maps.txt and the png? |
| 17:08.34 | BabelO | tsdogs: ok |
| 17:08.37 | cr2 | tsdogs: from http://qpegps.sf.net |
| 17:08.54 | cr2 | there is an old ipk, which includes maps. |
| 17:09.16 | cr2 | the maps.txt syntax is a bit bizarre :) |
| 17:09.28 | cr2 | even for me who knows something in the area. |
| 17:09.42 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:10.33 | cr2 | i dislike it. |
| 17:11.09 | cr2 | they just download the maps from google/yahho/whatever, and everything is centered around it. |
| 17:11.50 | cr2 | since it's a bit questionable, it's not very well documented. |
| 17:11.52 | BabelO | cr2 : ready to start compiling qtopia/opie2 from scrtach in one hour ? |
| 17:12.02 | cr2 | BabelO: yes. |
| 17:12.21 | BabelO | cr2: now i have openembedded, so i can made same test |
| 17:12.51 | tsdogs | cr2: what was that you needed for latitude / longitude ? where my place is ? |
| 17:12.58 | cr2 | tsdogs: tell me the rectangle. unfortunately i can't find the right CD, but will look by other means. |
| 17:13.23 | cr2 | lon_min,lat_min; lon_max,lat_max |
| 17:13.35 | tsdogs | ok, but from my place? |
| 17:13.48 | cr2 | sure. |
| 17:14.15 | cr2 | for israel you can get it from http, but it's not very useful ;) |
| 17:15.00 | tsdogs | Latitudine: 45° 53′ 0′′ N |
| 17:15.01 | tsdogs | Longitudine: 11° 3′ 0′′ E |
| 17:15.19 | cr2 | bounding box ! :) |
| 17:15.25 | tsdogs | that's the place I live in, so any square arounde that one is ok |
| 17:15.34 | tsdogs | I'll try getting one. |
| 17:15.58 | cr2 | 'any' is not good. it can be too big and have too many polygons, you know :) |
| 17:22.35 | cr2 | BabelO: do you have full-localized setup of opie2 ? |
| 17:24.47 | tsdogs | cr2: is this enough? |
| 17:24.50 | tsdogs | Top: 45° 53′ 0′′ N |
| 17:24.50 | tsdogs | Bottom: 45° 45′ 0′′ N |
| 17:24.50 | tsdogs | Left: 10° 51′ 0′′ E |
| 17:24.50 | tsdogs | Right: 11° 11′ 0′′ E |
| 17:25.08 | cr2 | tsdogs: ok. |
| 17:25.26 | cr2 | i only need to convert it to decimal :) |
| 17:25.34 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:25.44 | tsdogs | you are good at math! :) |
| 17:25.59 | regulate | how do i get haret onto my wince device via linux |
| 17:26.29 | cr2 | have you seen in the logs, i've found a pdf with some presentation where they describe the DoC data layout ? |
| 17:26.42 | cr2 | i've also found their patent. |
| 17:32.02 | BabelO | cr2: i think with a .bb file i sould be perfect. actually opie2 compile with htcphone part without any change |
| 17:32.38 | cr2 | BabelO: you have a .bb ? that is really nice. |
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| 17:38.10 | tsdogs | BabelO: did they fix the cvs missing files? |
| 17:41.30 | tsdogs | in opie2 I mean |
| 17:43.37 | BabelO | tsdogs : i ll check for itemcontrol.cpp, it is ok now... |
| 17:44.13 | tsdogs | :) thx |
| 17:44.22 | BabelO | cr2 : : no , i havent a .bb file, want to create one, if i understand syntax, or maybe take the same from opie-image |
| 17:44.45 | tsdogs | BabelO: there is a qtopia one |
| 17:45.05 | BabelO | tsdogs: really ? |
| 17:45.12 | BabelO | ok back to home... |
| 17:45.13 | BabelO | bbl |
| 17:45.17 | tsdogs | yes 4.1.xx don't remeber |
| 17:45.17 | tsdogs | ok |
| 17:57.10 | cr2 | tsdogs: found Verona |
| 17:58.03 | cr2 | the stupid software does not show lat/lon, so i need to search visually ;) |
| 18:00.19 | tsdogs | cr2: go up more at the north |
| 18:00.28 | tsdogs | place is Rovereto |
| 18:00.31 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:01.11 | tsdogs | what does it mean? Geodetic_Datum_Shift |
| 18:03.33 | cr2 | where do you have it ? |
| 18:04.21 | tsdogs | in the datum directory. it looks for a 3_param.dat and 7_param.dat |
| 18:04.44 | cr2 | they must be included in the source. |
| 18:04.59 | tsdogs | yes they are, just wondering what they are. |
| 18:05.47 | cr2 | if you don't use WGS84 then you need to recalculate the coordinates. there are some hacks to do it as simple as possible |
| 18:07.32 | tsdogs | ok |
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| 18:12.23 | cr2 | tsdogs: have a look at the file. |
| 18:19.23 | cr2 | tsdogs: did you get it ? |
| 18:20.41 | tsdogs | sort of |
| 18:21.31 | cr2 | can you open the file ? |
| 18:21.40 | tsdogs | yes |
| 18:21.44 | tsdogs | I see the map. |
| 18:21.49 | cr2 | in gpsmapedit |
| 18:21.58 | tsdogs | no qpegps |
| 18:22.04 | cr2 | no. |
| 18:22.12 | cr2 | is it ok ? |
| 18:22.52 | tsdogs | only the GPS status is beeping (?) :( |
| 18:22.54 | cr2 | tsdogs: state machine in my brain is confused completely. |
| 18:23.07 | tsdogs | :) |
| 18:23.29 | cr2 | yes, with GPS blinking it's some misfeature of qpegps. |
| 18:23.39 | tsdogs | ok |
| 18:23.43 | cr2 | i'm not quite sure that this version works with gpsd2 |
| 18:24.04 | cr2 | there was some branch with gpsd2 support. |
| 18:24.19 | cr2 | qpegps source tree is a complete mess. |
| 18:24.22 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:24.34 | tsdogs | agreed |
| 18:24.40 | cr2 | i mean, i've sent you the e.mail file |
| 18:25.27 | tsdogs | ok got it |
| 18:25.33 | cr2 | open it. |
| 18:25.47 | cr2 | and have a look if the area is ok. |
| 18:28.40 | tsdogs | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.55 | tsdogs | what's the [~0x1e] in the names? |
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| 18:30.14 | cr2 | look in the QLandkarte |
| 18:30.28 | cr2 | you can also compile it |
| 18:31.15 | tsdogs | BTW I'm not able to subscribe to the mailing list of roadmap (only to the cvs updates) |
| 18:32.26 | cr2 | roadmap@saignon.net ? |
| 18:32.32 | cr2 | http://cgpsmapper.com/download/cgpsmapper-static.gz |
| 18:32.35 | cr2 | the compiler. |
| 18:32.49 | cr2 | then you will be able to see it in the QLandkarte# |
| 18:33.07 | tsdogs | cr2: yes saignon |
| 18:33.16 | cr2 | the mailing list is not at sourceforge. |
| 18:33.19 | tsdogs | cr2: ok |
| 18:33.49 | tsdogs | I know, I sent e'mails to get the instructions, but could not be delivered |
| 18:34.30 | cr2 | strange. |
| 18:34.57 | cr2 | i can post a question there. |
| 18:35.30 | tsdogs | connect to p4.saignon.net[72.14.140.19]: Connection timed out |
| 18:38.28 | cr2 | i've sent an e-mail there too. |
| 18:42.40 | tsdogs | maybe some internet filters. |
| 18:42.49 | tsdogs | I could try via gmail |
| 18:43.39 | tsdogs | actually I have also tryed gmail :( |
| 18:45.18 | tsdogs | gg. bbl |
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| 21:11.44 | cr2 | tsdogs: roadmap list has problems with gmail |
| 21:12.07 | tsdogs | ok, It also has problems with my server :( |
| 21:15.34 | tsdogs | cr2: does QLandKarte need a GPS device? |
| 21:19.29 | tsdogs | cr2: never mind had the wrong size on the screen :( |
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| 21:38.43 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've received the comfirmation e-mail, but it took some time ;) |
| 21:39.12 | tsdogs | me nope, I'll try again :) thx |
| 21:39.13 | cr2 | btw, about qpegps. the reference app in this area is http://www.oziexplorer.com |
| 21:39.19 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:40.36 | cr2 | the main problem i have with qpegps and which has an excellent solution in ozi: the image format. |
| 21:41.05 | tsdogs | ok, I'm trying to build qpegps_nv |
| 21:41.08 | cr2 | qpegps just uses QImage.load() |
| 21:41.13 | tsdogs | :) |
| 21:41.30 | cr2 | but ozi uses its own tiled format. |
| 21:41.52 | cr2 | so a wince device with 16MB RAM can work with 32000x32000 images. |
| 21:42.03 | cr2 | it#s not a joke, i've really tested it. |
| 21:42.36 | tsdogs | ho. |
| 21:43.12 | cr2 | this format is documented now. through RE. |
| 21:43.35 | tsdogs | cool, we could simply implement the drawing like roadmap does. |
| 21:45.12 | cr2 | you only need zlib to read it. |
| 21:45.12 | tsdogs | :) not a prob |
| 21:45.13 | cr2 | geotiff is a "standard" clean solution, but then you have a dependency on libtiff. |
| 21:45.14 | cr2 | or even libgeotiff |
| 21:45.15 | cr2 | which are unlikely to be installed on any PDA devices. |
| 21:45.15 | tsdogs | does it use polygons or tiled images? |
| 21:45.31 | cr2 | the whole image contains the 64x64 8bit paletted tiles. |
| 21:45.47 | cr2 | so it's only 4096bytes |
| 21:46.12 | cr2 | +common palette for the file. |
| 21:46.22 | cr2 | so you just check which tiles do you need to load. |
| 21:46.36 | tsdogs | ok. |
| 21:46.44 | cr2 | the 4096byte tile is compresses with deflate. |
| 21:46.58 | cr2 | i.e. zlib |
| 21:47.27 | cr2 | there are some precalculated scaled image stored in the same file. |
| 21:47.49 | cr2 | so fo certain resolutions you don't need to do rescaling. |
| 21:47.57 | tsdogs | ok |
| 21:48.12 | tsdogs | why do they compress 4096bytes? |
| 21:49.11 | cr2 | it's a page size. |
| 21:49.34 | cr2 | Zooms of 90, 80, 75, 70, 60, 50, and 40% are created by OziExplorer and OziExplorerCE using a bilinear filter giving good looking smooth zooms. |
| 21:50.33 | cr2 | so if you need a 123x38 tile, you lookup the index and decompress the data with that pointer. |
| 21:50.45 | tsdogs | ho ok |
| 21:50.45 | cr2 | the decompressed size is always 4096bytes. |
| 21:50.59 | tsdogs | I thought the palette was for colors :) |
| 21:51.07 | cr2 | i'll send you the commandline decode tool. |
| 21:51.20 | tsdogs | ok. thx |
| 21:54.42 | cr2 | sent. |
| 21:55.00 | cr2 | there is one small problem though |
| 21:55.10 | cr2 | you need the information where is this image located. |
| 21:56.01 | tsdogs | ok. you know how to get it? |
| 21:56.03 | cr2 | ozi uses *.map file which provides to coordinate translation for some selected points. |
| 21:56.18 | cr2 | you can't get it , you must have it :) |
| 21:57.00 | cr2 | qpegps includes maps.txt file for that purpose. |
| 21:57.46 | cr2 | i still don't understand it completely for all projections :) |
| 21:57.53 | tsdogs | ok. :) |
| 21:58.11 | cr2 | the best way is to calculate the pixel resolution. |
| 21:58.29 | cr2 | and the coordinates of one corner. |
| 21:58.40 | cr2 | it's called "world file" |
| 21:58.56 | cr2 | ok. maybe it's too far-fetched. |
| 21:59.44 | cr2 | i think i'll read the maps.txt related code, and write down how to translate the "standard" description to maps.txt |
| 22:00.09 | tsdogs | perfect |
| 22:01.26 | cr2 | then you can just take any raster map, convert it, and use in qpegps. |
| 22:01.39 | cr2 | optimally, and without any headaches :) |
| 22:02.26 | tsdogs | :) |
| 22:02.26 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: so, have you guys fixed qpegps 0.9.3.1? |
| 22:02.49 | cr2 | geotiff allows to embed the location data in the file itself, and some nice routines to properly read the data, but a dependence on libgdal is too heavy. |
| 22:03.32 | cr2 | psokolosvky_: the CVS |
| 22:03.53 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: i.e. 0.9.3.1 is officially broken? |
| 22:04.16 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: also, they use svn now, no? |
| 22:04.25 | cr2 | i think the latest version is 0.9.2.3 or something like that. |
| 22:04.47 | cr2 | maybe. it#s one of the worst maintained programs i know ;) |
| 22:04.56 | psokolovsky_ | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=55933&release_id=162987 |
| 22:05.38 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:05.53 | cr2 | i dislike that it only works and is tested on shapr zaurus. |
| 22:06.22 | cr2 | the abandoned niche product ;) |
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| 22:58.41 | cr2 | BabelO: .bb ready ? :) |
| 22:59.04 | BabelO | cr2: sorry, got a big problem with home computer |
| 22:59.42 | cr2 | i 'm joking |
| 23:00.01 | BabelO | yesturday, i think i remove /boot/* on my desktop computer... so can't boot since 10:00pm this evening and don't have any linux boot cd |
| 23:00.50 | BabelO | so i install an old slackware, compile a new kernel, for my main linux |
| 23:01.38 | BabelO | and big problem( i think there is a windows developper inlinux team :) ) if you haven't /var/log/lastlog then you can't login in command line |
| 23:02.29 | BabelO | need to use the old vmlinuz init=/bin/sh root=/dev/hda1 to fix it |
| 23:02.39 | tsdogs | BabelO: hmm. that sounds pretty strange :( |
| 23:02.59 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes , you can test ;) |
| 23:03.11 | tsdogs | :) not now |
| 23:03.29 | BabelO | ok, so i miss something ? |
| 23:03.47 | BabelO | i m looking for my old nvidia driver |
| 23:03.56 | tsdogs | BabelO: not much, kind of silent tonight. |
| 23:04.16 | tsdogs | cr2: qpegps_nv now builds and runs. No gps signal though :( |
| 23:04.55 | BabelO | tsdogs: qpegps_nv, you try it on arm or desktop ? |
| 23:05.08 | tsdogs | BabelO: desktop qt3 |
| 23:05.17 | tsdogs | one step at the time :) |
| 23:06.48 | BabelO | ok, you say before i leave that there is already a .bb file for qtopia 4.1 ? |
| 23:07.10 | tsdogs | not sure about the version but there is one |
| 23:07.36 | ljp | would you guys be intersted in developing for greenphone if you had one? |
| 23:07.56 | tsdogs | hi ljp |
| 23:08.01 | BabelO | hi ljp |
| 23:08.13 | tsdogs | BabelO: qtopia-core_4.2.0.bb |
| 23:08.58 | tsdogs | bb is under packages/qte/ |
| 23:08.59 | BabelO | so need one patch or two to add htcphone cvs repository to this .bb |
| 23:09.17 | tsdogs | not sure it works though. :/ |
| 23:09.23 | BabelO | ljp, a greenphone ? the one with the very small screen ? :) |
| 23:09.58 | tsdogs | ljp: I registered to the challenge but am not sure I can partecipate. |
| 23:11.30 | tsdogs | ljp: this "I certify that my submission is original, that I own all the rights to it" for GPL software how does it work? |
| 23:12.03 | ljp | hmm. ya, you'd have to have written all the code |
| 23:12.26 | ljp | but this is beyond the contest.. :) |
| 23:12.30 | tsdogs | ok then I defenatly can't submit the package |
| 23:12.56 | ljp | but you would be interested in developing for it, if you had one |
| 23:13.02 | tsdogs | ok, do we have any MUST DO? |
| 23:14.37 | ljp | depends on what you might want to do |
| 23:15.47 | BabelO | i have an interest, depends on application to do, need to add some application to have an automatic profiling support using GSM cells and also, some SMS speak using flite ;) |
| 23:16.39 | ljp | you guys have email addies? |
| 23:16.55 | tsdogs | I do this as a "hobby". But I currently have Universal and really want Linux on it. We are trying to migrate roadmap_editor and qpegps to opieII |
| 23:17.14 | ljp | no problems :) |
| 23:17.33 | BabelO | ljp: you have my address at opie2 project ;) |
| 23:17.38 | tsdogs | if addies means address who does not have one :) |
| 23:17.48 | ljp | email address |
| 23:18.01 | ljp | hmm.. well... |
| 23:18.05 | ljp | probably someone |
| 23:19.37 | BabelO | ljp: is it possible to add htcphone device directory to main opie2 svn ? |
| 23:20.29 | ljp | yes |
| 23:20.50 | ljp | opie2 might be moving servers.. |
| 23:21.48 | ljp | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie/120/12040.html |
| 23:21.49 | BabelO | ljp: ok, so cleaning the code and look for apm suspend issue with tsdogs before send it to you |
| 23:21.59 | ljp | and http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/opie/121/12103.html |
| 23:22.14 | ljp | I need to add 4.2.2 patches yet |
| 23:23.07 | BabelO | ok that s a good idea before ;) |
| 23:23.50 | BabelO | ljp: oh yes i was on this channel few days ago, and i saw you speak with bs ;) |
| 23:23.50 | tsdogs | BabelO: we are still using the 4.2.1 migration could need some fixes too |
| 23:24.11 | tsdogs | ljp: I saw it in mailing list |
| 23:24.23 | BabelO | tsdogs: ok, and for suspend ? |
| 23:24.56 | tsdogs | I think we should also ask goxboxlive, as he is the one who tested it more. |
| 23:25.07 | BabelO | ok |
| 23:25.07 | tsdogs | but afaik the fix is pretty simple |
| 23:25.28 | tsdogs | you have a function which sets the brightness |
| 23:25.47 | cr2 | ah. finally found the bug. |
| 23:26.02 | cr2 | can sleep good today :) |
| 23:26.05 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes, mine or another ? |
| 23:26.06 | tsdogs | but you do apm -s when brightness <=1 and that's where it's wrong |
| 23:26.14 | tsdogs | yours I guess |
| 23:26.16 | tsdogs | let me check |
| 23:26.17 | BabelO | tsdogs: ok |
| 23:26.29 | BabelO | cr2: a bug ? nooooo :) |
| 23:26.37 | BabelO | you try 76Cx? |
| 23:26.45 | cr2 | lol. |
| 23:26.55 | cr2 | no, in the "real" work. |
| 23:27.10 | cr2 | i need to produce some nice pictures |
| 23:27.15 | BabelO | ah, ok |
| 23:27.32 | cr2 | and xmgrace behaviour depends on the command line order ;) |
| 23:28.06 | tsdogs | "Now ain't that cute... but is wrong!" :) |
| 23:28.13 | tsdogs | BabelO: I was completly wrong |
| 23:28.27 | tsdogs | the suspend issue was for opie and not for opieII |
| 23:28.29 | BabelO | tsdogs: where ? |
| 23:29.06 | BabelO | ljp: i send you my mail in IRC private message |
| 23:29.16 | cr2 | tsdogs: btw, i'll drive to Perugia at the beginning of July. |
| 23:29.36 | tsdogs | I have not tested the suspend with opieII. maybe goxboxlive |
| 23:29.41 | BabelO | cr2: Perugia ? you go to observatory ? |
| 23:29.50 | cr2 | no, to the conference. |
| 23:29.50 | tsdogs | cr2: cool, vacation? |
| 23:30.01 | tsdogs | ho. :) |
| 23:30.11 | cr2 | lol. scientific tourism :) |
| 23:30.48 | tsdogs | lol :) |
| 23:30.55 | cr2 | http://www.iugg2007perugia.it |
| 23:31.00 | BabelO | ahhhh perugia ;) |
| 23:31.03 | BabelO | lol |
| 23:32.36 | cr2 | tsdogs: will you put qpegps in xanadux CVS ? |
| 23:32.46 | tsdogs | which one? |
| 23:33.00 | cr2 | the one that compiles. |
| 23:33.01 | tsdogs | nv ain't working yet. |
| 23:33.08 | cr2 | does the _nv support tiles ? |
| 23:33.16 | tsdogs | hmm not sure. |
| 23:33.20 | cr2 | i don't know the differences between the trees. |
| 23:33.45 | cr2 | there is some branch version (old without tiles) that works with gpsd2. |
| 23:34.13 | cr2 | but it's easy to fix. i'm more concerned about a sane tiled renderer now. |
| 23:34.13 | tsdogs | I have no idea if the todo is maintained, but it is still todo |
| 23:35.04 | cr2 | ok, i need some starting point :) |
| 23:35.23 | tsdogs | ok, the the more working one is the qpegps from CVS |
| 23:35.29 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:35.58 | tsdogs | could you give me the cvs commands? (I never used them to upload) |
| 23:36.31 | BabelO | tsdogs: easy way is with cedrvisia in konqueror ;) |
| 23:36.37 | tsdogs | I want to fix a path problem first though. |
| 23:36.40 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:36.49 | BabelO | s/cedrvisia/cervisia/ |
| 23:37.17 | BabelO | tsdogs: else use cvs comit <your file> |
| 23:37.29 | BabelO | and it ask you for a comit message |
| 23:39.21 | tsdogs | ok. but there is no qpegps in xanadux cvs. |
| 23:40.22 | BabelO | tsdogs: so need to add one with cvs add or cvs import, but i m not a cvs import expert ;) |
| 23:40.41 | tsdogs | ok. I'll read some docs. |
| 23:43.38 | tsdogs | BabelO: how do I change the cvs server ? show I first clean it? |
| 23:44.28 | BabelO | don't know :(, you can try by removing CVS directory |
| 23:44.39 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:45.02 | BabelO | i don't know if there is a change repository |
| 23:45.33 | tsdogs | Lukyly it ain't many files. |
| 23:47.01 | BabelO | tsdogs: did you try a cvs init ? |
| 23:47.12 | tsdogs | too late |
| 23:47.32 | BabelO | maybe need to ask cr2 about these command ;) we have a release manager at work to do that ;) |
| 23:47.56 | BabelO | he sleep most of the day |
| 23:49.49 | BabelO | tsdogs: thanks for your mail about callscreen,cpp |
| 23:49.50 | tsdogs | :) no need to thank you |
| 23:50.08 | cr2 | sorry, was away for some time :) |
| 23:50.30 | BabelO | computer is slow, building a OE package + kernel 2.6.21.3 + qtopia ... |
| 23:50.40 | cr2 | i forgot how i've created the toplevel entry. |
| 23:50.46 | cr2 | it was not with import. |
| 23:51.12 | cr2 | hacked it by some text editor tricks. |
| 23:51.50 | cr2 | ok. done |
| 23:53.33 | cr2 | http://xanadux.cvs.sourceforge.net/xanadux |
| 23:56.11 | BabelO | cr2: there is a cardbus IDE support in current 2.6.21.3 kernel |
| 23:56.41 | cr2 | tsdogs: so what are we going to do with roadmap_editor qt4 support ? |
| 23:57.01 | cr2 | BabelO: athena is not using cardbus. |
| 23:57.23 | BabelO | cr2: microdrive is not on pcmcia ? |
| 23:57.32 | tsdogs | cr2: I think we should start haking the map structure. |
| 23:57.35 | cr2 | no. it has a memory-mapped controller |
| 23:57.45 | BabelO | ok, sorry |
| 23:58.23 | cr2 | tsdogs: should we have an own tree ? i think yes. but the other patches can be submitted to the ML. |
| 23:58.53 | cr2 | because i'd like to hack on the sql queries and DB schema. |
| 23:58.54 | tsdogs | we could start with our own, and submit patches. |
| 23:59.09 | tsdogs | if they are appied or revisited we will see |
| 23:59.20 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:59.22 | cr2 | and it will not be accepted, because _editor is part of a big project with its own schema. |
| 23:59.35 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:59.53 | cr2 | did you get a confirmation mail from roadmap ML ? |