| 00:06.58 | tsdogs | night all |
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| 07:53.57 | HellDesk | 'morning all |
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| 08:00.00 | goxboxlive | BabelO, i saw your screenie off the dialer, great work |
| 08:00.11 | goxboxlive | HellDesk, good morning |
| 08:01.14 | HellDesk | hmm, can't find it in the xda forum thread.. does sending/receiving sms work? |
| 08:03.30 | goxboxlive | HellDesk, wich device? |
| 08:04.19 | HellDesk | ahw, sorry... htc universal |
| 08:05.07 | HellDesk | (otherwise i've got to search for another phone to put my sim in when playing with it...:D) |
| 08:05.23 | goxboxlive | HellDesk, i managed to send with CU (terminal application) but not with any GUI applications. |
| 08:06.00 | HellDesk | cool.. and receiving? |
| 08:06.35 | goxboxlive | But we are close to have it working in gui mode. There is a guy here at irc ( BabelO ) who is making a GUI application for OPie2 wich will have support for SMS in universail i guess. |
| 08:06.39 | goxboxlive | no |
| 08:08.56 | HellDesk | ah, too bad.. going to try linux anyway.. |
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| 08:27.32 | BabelO | goxboxlive : yes, i need to do a better gui part, the good point, is that i reuse lot of code from qtopia phone part ;) need to adjust layout and center some widget too |
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| 12:43.35 | padski | have a hw65xx/beetles for a bit. tried booting the card I have in my htc universal, but no joy. having a hard time figuring out which kernel I might expect to work. |
| 12:51.00 | cr2 | padski: you need to compile the specific kernel for beetles. |
| 12:51.54 | cr2 | it was booting some time ago, usb and ts were working afaik. |
| 12:58.38 | padski | cr2, thanks. I was kinda hoping someone could point me at a random kernel that will boot on a beetles. I'm not setup to build one nor do I have time, and I was kinda hoping to get something like doom or quake running on there as a demo this afternoon :-) I've not long had the universal, but that is mine now, and I will likely get to building kernels eventually, but I have an angstrom kernel on there atm. |
| 12:59.09 | padski | but the beetles I only have my hands on for a short time |
| 12:59.51 | cr2 | the kernels are device-specific |
| 13:00.04 | cr2 | well, because the hardware configurations are different. |
| 13:00.18 | padski | yeah, and I can't find a beetles one :-) |
| 13:03.37 | padski | oh, and as if that isn't enough the userspace I already have running is eabi ;-) |
| 13:06.27 | cr2 | padski: that's not the device where you just take and install linux ;) it needs some work and haret tracing by somebody who has such device. |
| 13:06.55 | cr2 | btw, the most interesting feature there is 2 MMC/SD controllers. |
| 13:07.51 | cr2 | afair we managed to make miniSD work (pxamci) but not the asic3_mmc fullsize SD. don't remember why. |
| 13:07.52 | padski | yeah, I noticed the two slots |
| 13:08.36 | padski | I was disappointed when the kernel I'm using on the universal didn't boot :-( |
| 13:10.19 | cr2 | padski: but it's the same for most of other devices. |
| 13:11.45 | padski | I was trying to boot off of a large SD, but that shouldn't make any diff. haret got as far as the coloured stripes on the screen and then it hung. no tux :-( wrong screen driver I suppose |
| 13:13.47 | cr2 | with the beetles kernel ? |
| 13:14.58 | cr2 | the touchscreen driver will not work, btw. in 2.6.21 for beetles. |
| 13:15.00 | padski | no, that's just it. I don't have a kernel intended for beetles. I tried a htcuniversal kernel, but no joy :-( |
| 13:15.22 | cr2 | compile the kernel for beetles. |
| 13:15.29 | cr2 | i can upload one for you. |
| 13:15.33 | cr2 | without the ts. |
| 13:15.38 | cr2 | only lcd+usb. |
| 13:15.51 | padski | that would be superb |
| 13:16.33 | cr2 | need to check the pxamci and asic3_mmc first. |
| 13:16.52 | padski | how do I do that ? |
| 13:17.30 | cr2 | i need to check if they are compiled in. |
| 13:20.59 | cr2 | yes. |
| 13:21.56 | cr2 | http://jornada820.sf.net/files/haret/zbee |
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| 13:29.37 | padski | moment of truth ... |
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| 13:30.51 | padski | wahey! it works :-) |
| 13:31.23 | padski | at least to boot. |
| 13:31.39 | padski | it reports thee partitions on the mmc |
| 13:33.13 | BabelO | rmoravcik : : i send to you dump before and after... that's a good idea :) |
| 13:34.24 | rmoravcik | BabelO: thanks |
| 13:34.40 | padski | cr2, thank you. that's a truly awesome experience :-) sadly, I better go and do some real work |
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| 13:36.32 | cr2 | padski: which mmc ? did it detect asic3 ? |
| 13:38.12 | cr2 | padski: if you can login over usb, i'd like too see the dmesg. |
| 13:38.19 | padski | looks that way "asic3_mmc: ASIC3 MMC/SD Driver" and it sees the partitions on the card |
| 13:40.09 | padski | I don't have the usb cable. I was planning to use the keyboard, and perhaps bt or take the card back and forth, but I don't seem to get a console on the screen |
| 13:40.46 | padski | I can probably get the usb cable sometime next week. |
| 13:41.46 | cr2 | ok, you have used the miniSD or SD slot ? |
| 13:44.30 | padski | the SD slot |
| 13:46.32 | cr2 | ok, so it's asic3. good. |
| 13:47.02 | padski | mind if I message you privately for a minute |
| 13:47.08 | cr2 | ok. |
| 13:49.20 | rmoravcik | BabelO: do you acx card with pcmcia utils after resume? |
| 13:50.48 | padski | I take it that's not working then ? |
| 13:51.04 | BabelO | no pcmcia utils loadedi have a strange issue with pcmcia and static build |
| 13:51.45 | BabelO | s/loadedi/loaded i/ |
| 13:55.05 | BabelO | rmoravcik : register that differ are pcmcia register ? |
| 13:56.01 | rmoravcik | BabelO: yes |
| 13:56.40 | BabelO | rmoravcik : ok, so i have to rebuild in 3 hours when i come back to home |
| 14:02.20 | rmoravcik | BabelO: ok, will be here |
| 14:03.12 | BabelO | rmoravcik: so we really need a clean pcmcia driver, patch from psolovsky was : |
| 14:03.26 | BabelO | rmoravcik : devmem2 0x28000200 h 0x45 |
| 14:03.35 | BabelO | and then acx works |
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| 14:04.58 | padski | cr2, looks like I may have bricked that beetles :-( |
| 14:06.48 | rmoravcik | BabelO: address 0x28000200 is somewhere in pcmcia slot0 memory area, before acx iobase |
| 14:18.57 | cr2 | padski: beetles is wince2003 ? then you need to do a hard reset. |
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| 14:37.49 | BabelO | rmoravcik : : yes it is two register setting for pcmcia timing or something like that |
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| 15:21.08 | kiozen | Hi, I have got not much time, did read the logs from last night, anything new? |
| 15:23.28 | cr2 | kiozen: 60csx has 8MB flash |
| 15:23.48 | kiozen | That's not much |
| 15:24.10 | cr2 | don't know the ram size, but higly probably it's at 0x08000000 |
| 15:24.17 | cr2 | don't know where is the flash. |
| 15:24.27 | cr2 | 8MB for the firmware and basemap. |
| 15:24.44 | cr2 | the cpu looks like omap730 |
| 15:24.50 | cr2 | there is extensive linux support. |
| 15:25.15 | cr2 | need to check the lcd support, usb and SD. |
| 15:26.00 | kiozen | so, that's positive or negative :) ? |
| 15:26.12 | cr2 | here is some info http://vivien.chappelier.free.fr/typhoon/index.html |
| 15:26.17 | cr2 | it's positive :) |
| 15:26.32 | cr2 | at least there are 10MB RAM, btw :) |
| 15:27.26 | kiozen | guess I have to change my coding style :) |
| 15:27.33 | cr2 | the "flawia" code has a tool for splitting the .rgn into the loader.bin fw_all.bin and fonts. |
| 15:27.57 | cr2 | probably i'll be able to tell more about ram. |
| 15:28.09 | cr2 | do you know about mkgmap ? |
| 15:28.47 | kiozen | nope, have to read |
| 15:28.51 | cr2 | unfortunately it's java. |
| 15:29.12 | cr2 | but it has somthing for the codepages. |
| 15:29.13 | kiozen | a wait the openstreetmap tool |
| 15:29.43 | cr2 | well, you need to generate a sensible net from the osm data. |
| 15:30.00 | cr2 | maybe the osm2pgsql ? |
| 15:30.19 | kiozen | afaik mkgmap does not support map levels |
| 15:30.49 | kiozen | cGPSMapper should work on osm files, too |
| 15:30.57 | cr2 | yes. |
| 15:31.17 | cr2 | i'm thinking how we can dump the .net and .nod data. |
| 15:33.21 | cr2 | maybe generate some "degenerate" cases with "personal" cgpsmapper ? |
| 15:33.21 | kiozen | what you mean with dump, get rid or make readable? |
| 15:33.22 | cr2 | make readable. to parse the data. |
| 15:33.22 | cr2 | create a seg with 2 nodes in *.mp |
| 15:33.28 | cr2 | use cgpsmapper. |
| 15:33.54 | cr2 | check with QLandkarte. |
| 15:34.04 | kiozen | no routing there :) sorry |
| 15:34.07 | cr2 | move 1 node, and so on. |
| 15:34.42 | kiozen | but Mapsource should be able to test |
| 15:34.51 | cr2 | yes, but can you hexdump the section data. |
| 15:35.08 | cr2 | at least some bits are already known. |
| 15:35.51 | cr2 | we are successfully importing the .mp data for use in roadmap now. |
| 15:36.01 | kiozen | never needed to hexdum, but I do have some debug output for known structures, and we can append this |
| 15:36.09 | cr2 | with turn restrictions and whatever . |
| 15:36.27 | cr2 | ok. |
| 15:37.28 | kiozen | John Mechalas had some nice hexdump as example code, but it has quite some errors in decoding |
| 15:37.40 | cr2 | running linux on 60cx/76cx is not such a crazy idea it seems. |
| 15:37.47 | kiozen | he never actually displayed the data |
| 15:38.15 | cr2 | yes, i had _much_ more success with qlandkarte than with imgdecode. |
| 15:38.35 | cr2 | it's even not very 64bit friendly. |
| 15:38.39 | cr2 | the last one. |
| 15:38.56 | cr2 | btw, qlandkarte. |
| 15:39.12 | cr2 | i suggest you to fix the bugs in the current code, |
| 15:39.31 | cr2 | and for the xor stuff follow the xpdf route. |
| 15:39.53 | cr2 | keyword "printing not allowed". |
| 15:40.14 | kiozen | concerning the xor |
| 15:40.25 | kiozen | I had a look today |
| 15:40.39 | kiozen | do we talk abaout the same problem |
| 15:41.04 | kiozen | I talk about the 20bytes of maplevel section |
| 15:41.14 | kiozen | not the general xor of CN maps |
| 15:41.29 | cr2 | i mean the general. |
| 15:41.43 | cr2 | and not only CN. |
| 15:42.29 | cr2 | there are some "homebrew experts" who create such files. |
| 15:42.30 | kiozen | but for CN maps you have to decrypt the maplevel section , too |
| 15:43.29 | cr2 | i can point you to the map of moscow, which can be opened with gpsmapedit. |
| 15:43.35 | cr2 | try it with the qlandkarte. |
| 15:43.43 | kiozen | ok |
| 15:44.46 | cr2 | looking for the link. |
| 15:44.56 | kiozen | guess so |
| 15:51.20 | cr2 | http://mapviewmaps.com1.ru/garmin/moscow_rout.rar |
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| 15:55.10 | cr2 | kiozen: still here ? |
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| 18:21.53 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
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| 19:10.28 | ellisway | evening all |
| 19:11.00 | BabelO | hi |
| 19:11.19 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 19:11.19 | ellisway | hi BabelO hows it going |
| 19:11.32 | BabelO | good good :) |
| 19:13.03 | cr2 | BabelO: take my words back about omap :) |
| 19:13.07 | ellisway | any luck getting the acx working correctly on resume |
| 19:13.48 | BabelO | ellisway: which device do you have ? |
| 19:14.12 | ellisway | i have uni but was intrested on if you had it working on your ba |
| 19:14.15 | BabelO | cr2: why ? linux is running on garmin ? |
| 19:16.05 | cr2 | not yet. but the typhoon kernel proved to be an incredible source of information :) |
| 19:16.46 | cr2 | it's very painful without the datasheet. |
| 19:16.55 | cr2 | i know the SDRAM config register. |
| 19:17.06 | cr2 | but don't know how to decode ths bits. |
| 19:20.32 | ellisway | cr2 do you no if anyone has played with the atheros open source sdio stack ? |
| 19:21.32 | cr2 | ellisway: on which machine ? |
| 19:21.42 | ellisway | any of the htc |
| 19:22.48 | cr2 | it may be usable for pxa-mci |
| 19:22.48 | ellisway | uni is what i`m most intrested in |
| 19:22.48 | cr2 | on asic3 machines there is no sdio host driver. |
| 19:22.53 | cr2 | uni is asic3. |
| 19:23.18 | ellisway | to use somthing like the combined gps / memory cards |
| 19:23.24 | ellisway | ah ok |
| 19:24.30 | ellisway | bt gps receiver the way to go with uni then |
| 19:24.45 | cr2 | yes. |
| 19:25.00 | cr2 | but to have sdio is not impossible. |
| 19:25.11 | ellisway | k |
| 19:26.24 | ellisway | any speciic bt gps unit or gps chipset ? |
| 19:27.26 | cr2 | no. for NMEA they are all the same. |
| 19:27.39 | ellisway | k |
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| 20:24.51 | BabelO | grrhh |
| 20:36.49 | cr2 | BabelO: i've learned something about omap now. |
| 20:36.53 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=60Cx_registers |
| 20:39.41 | BabelO | cr2: it is already lot of thing ;) |
| 20:49.31 | BabelO | cr2: i don't understand all the include stuff in opie2 :( |
| 20:51.35 | cr2 | ? |
| 20:52.28 | BabelO | cr2: yes, how can i use something from a librarie ? |
| 20:55.30 | cr2 | what is something ? |
| 21:03.10 | BabelO | i want to use qcontact class from qotpia... but don't know how |
| 21:03.44 | cr2 | is it declared in some header ? |
| 21:04.49 | BabelO | yes, maybe i found something ;) |
| 21:06.08 | cr2 | i suggest to check all the missing headers. |
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| 22:36.06 | cr2 | BabelO: it seems that the device has 4MB RAM. |
| 22:36.23 | BabelO | only ? |
| 22:36.27 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:37.06 | cr2 | linux+opie2 :) |
| 22:37.10 | BabelO | how it is doing with map + waypoint , program are running from flash so ? |
| 22:37.46 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:37.59 | cr2 | 8MB flash, i was told. |
| 22:38.27 | cr2 | it's not very fast. |
| 22:38.32 | BabelO | only place for nanoX and other tools from uClinux ;) |
| 22:38.45 | cr2 | the LCD is 8bit. but color. |
| 22:38.50 | cr2 | directfb :) |
| 22:38.53 | BabelO | i m playing with same on my sony clie |
| 22:39.17 | cr2 | the device is very power efficient. |
| 22:39.24 | cr2 | so i'm not surprised. |
| 22:40.02 | cr2 | LDR R0, =0xFFFECC20 |
| 22:40.09 | cr2 | MOV R1, #0x8000002 |
| 22:40.16 | cr2 | STR R1, [R0] |
| 22:40.22 | cr2 | this is the SDRAM config. |
| 22:40.59 | cr2 | according to some omap manual, it means 4MB RAM. |
| 22:41.54 | cr2 | the video RAM is omap sram. |
| 22:42.09 | cr2 | so it's separate. |
| 22:42.14 | BabelO | good point for speed |
| 22:52.54 | BabelO | cr2: do you know mq1100 chipset ? |
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| 22:55.13 | BabelO | hey kiozen welcome back ;) |
| 22:55.42 | kiozen | hi :) tested moscow map |
| 22:56.08 | kiozen | what was the problem? |
| 22:56.50 | cr2 | kiozen: does it work ? |
| 22:57.15 | cr2 | kiozen: it seems that the device has 4MB RAM. |
| 22:57.48 | cr2 | i was told it has 8MB flash, but can't confirm it independently. |
| 22:57.50 | kiozen | I can see stuff |
| 22:57.59 | cr2 | ok, i'll check. |
| 22:58.36 | kiozen | I just would expect to see more for 13MB |
| 22:59.55 | cr2 | but maybe there are 2 flash banks. |
| 23:00.17 | cr2 | the firmware itself is <4MB. |
| 23:00.47 | cr2 | so if the basemap is ~4MB it's feasible. |
| 23:01.35 | cr2 | i've put some docs here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=60Cx_registers |
| 23:02.06 | cr2 | the usb, SD , LCD and 2 serial ports are visible. |
| 23:02.16 | cr2 | and has linux drivers. |
| 23:02.32 | cr2 | but 4 MB is tough. |
| 23:03.07 | cr2 | we can strip the kernel. it's interesting how big it will be. |
| 23:04.08 | BabelO | cr2: and how can you boot ? using loader.bin and only replacing firmware.bin ? |
| 23:05.07 | cr2 | BabelO: loader.bin is for the firmware update, and it's loaded over usb to RAM. |
| 23:05.15 | kiozen | Now I see the problem with the moscow map. |
| 23:05.23 | cr2 | don't know at what address yet. |
| 23:05.32 | cr2 | kiozen: Index into string table to large c0105 7fc0c 0 0 |
| 23:05.39 | cr2 | a lot of such. |
| 23:05.41 | kiozen | The detailed map is encrypted |
| 23:06.20 | cr2 | ok. let's leave it. |
| 23:06.24 | cr2 | i'm more interested in the route planning myself. |
| 23:07.06 | kiozen | I could make you a nasty quick fix for that this weekend :) |
| 23:07.42 | cr2 | BabelO: i only need to find out where is the RAM and what is the loader.bin load address. |
| 23:08.00 | cr2 | kiozen: sounds fun. |
| 23:08.20 | cr2 | BabelO: the RAM on omap is normally at 0x10000000 |
| 23:08.58 | cr2 | but i see some junk 'bl 0x12f896f0' |
| 23:09.04 | BabelO | cr2: so with some luck it is coming from constructor datasheet ;) |
| 23:09.23 | cr2 | it can be some stray call though. |
| 23:10.00 | cr2 | if the bl address is real, then the device must have 16 or 48 MB ram. |
| 23:11.00 | cr2 | if the question is resolved, then it's possible to adapt the EOL used to boot linux on typhoon/tornado. |
| 23:11.19 | cr2 | btw, i have some idea why mmc-sd on omap850 can be broken. |
| 23:11.32 | cr2 | compared to omap730. |
| 23:12.02 | cr2 | it's the possible .bus_shift ;) |
| 23:13.15 | cr2 | hmm, actually it does not matter where the loader is located in RAM. |
| 23:13.42 | cr2 | the EOL does not need to know it too. and simply relocate itself if needed. |
| 23:14.32 | cr2 | BabelO: i've never thought i could have reused EOL :) |
| 23:15.58 | cr2 | the problem is now to create a fake rom update .rgn with EOL instead of loader.bin |
| 23:16.08 | cr2 | or even a bit more dangerous :) |
| 23:16.19 | BabelO | the next question after kernel is language to use for GUI |
| 23:16.27 | BabelO | i know you like ncurses ;) |
| 23:16.32 | cr2 | flash EOL instead of garmin firmware :) |
| 23:16.46 | cr2 | GUI is not needed. |
| 23:16.53 | BabelO | i think nanoX and ulibc whould be ok |
| 23:16.55 | cr2 | there is only one program to run. |
| 23:17.01 | BabelO | true |
| 23:17.45 | kiozen | Pizza delivery, where should I place it? 24k |
| 23:18.04 | cr2 | BabelO: ? |
| 23:18.06 | BabelO | kiozen: :) i m eating but panzani ;) |
| 23:18.29 | kiozen | how was that address? |
| 23:18.42 | BabelO | cr2: yes nano x with x light api for graphics |
| 23:20.41 | cr2 | BabelO: the address ? |
| 23:20.55 | cr2 | must be in the log. |
| 23:21.54 | kiozen | connection refused |
| 23:22.00 | BabelO | cr2: http://embedded.centurysoftware.com/docs/nx/arch--nanox-api.html |
| 23:22.06 | BabelO | ah ftp adress |
| 23:22.19 | BabelO | it is ok now |
| 23:22.38 | cr2 | kiozen: works for me. |
| 23:23.11 | kiozen | ok, compile and place the lib as mellon.so into ~/.config/QLandkarte/ |
| 23:23.16 | cr2 | BabelO: what toolkit can be used for it ? microwindows ? |
| 23:23.26 | cr2 | kiozen: ok. |
| 23:23.29 | kiozen | that will open the Gates of Moria |
| 23:23.51 | BabelO | cr2: yes, i use it on Dragon Ball 66 Mhz processor, works fine |
| 23:24.14 | kiozen | at least 00000002.img |
| 23:24.34 | cr2 | kiozen: it's standalone ? |
| 23:24.52 | kiozen | stabdalone? |
| 23:25.03 | cr2 | BabelO: i'm using 4.3.0 now |
| 23:25.16 | cr2 | kiozen: can be compiled without main tree ? |
| 23:25.39 | kiozen | it's a lib |
| 23:26.28 | kiozen | qmake && make should do |
| 23:26.29 | cr2 | no, ok. |
| 23:26.48 | cr2 | it needs some headers. |
| 23:26.57 | kiozen | just a minute |
| 23:27.32 | kiozen | yes those of QLandkarte |
| 23:28.08 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:28.11 | kiozen | I have both projects in the same subdir |
| 23:28.30 | kiozen | I told you it's nasty |
| 23:31.23 | cr2 | compiled. |
| 23:32.13 | kiozen | I quit, my son won't have mercy with me this morning, Good night |
| 23:34.24 | cr2 | BabelO: i think porting win32 code to microwindows should not ber very difficult. |
| 23:35.20 | BabelO | don't know, i use it only on small device with slow processor, if you think 66Mhz is slow :) |
| 23:38.31 | cr2 | :) |
| 23:51.37 | cr2 | m$ says : "You may not work around any technical limitations in the software." |
| 23:51.39 | cr2 | lol. |
| 23:54.11 | BabelO | :) |
| 23:56.17 | cr2 | "adding a button to the interface ... may be in breach of Microsoft's copyright" |
| 23:57.14 | BabelO | hm |
| 23:57.14 | BabelO | and what do you think about microsoft empty message ;) |
| 23:57.40 | cr2 | ;) |
| 23:57.42 | BabelO | got an empty dialog box today with MS SQL Server.... only OK button |
| 23:57.56 | cr2 | lol. |
| 23:58.17 | BabelO | i think it is m$ speciality... |
| 23:58.31 | cr2 | i'm compiling haret with gcc. no m$, no licenses, no crap. |