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| 08:46.36 | BabelO | hi |
| 08:52.32 | Foxdie | good morning BabelO, how goes? |
| 08:53.08 | BabelO | good |
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| 09:47.43 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 09:47.46 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Are you here? |
| 09:48.02 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes |
| 09:48.27 | goxboxlive | babelO: I have made all the packages now with "make packages" |
| 09:48.39 | goxboxlive | There are a lot of packages wich are made that isent installed |
| 09:48.41 | goxboxlive | like |
| 09:48.56 | goxboxlive | qpe-helix, qpe-shopper, mixer and so. |
| 09:49.13 | goxboxlive | Why isent they installed when i do "make install" ? |
| 09:49.21 | BabelO | goxboxlive: qpe-helix, you have it already ?! |
| 09:49.53 | goxboxlive | babelO: No, not in my /opt/Qtopia/bin folder. I have mediaplayer, but not qpe.helix |
| 09:50.34 | goxboxlive | And why isent mixer installed. Have you seen the app? It's qtopia alsamixer. |
| 09:51.26 | BabelO | goxboxlive : : yes i see there is issue with make install because theme are not fully set, need to copy by hand themes pics directories |
| 09:51.46 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i have tried mixer, but not really nice |
| 09:53.05 | goxboxlive | BabelO. This si all the packages wich where made, but i dont have them all installed. http://www.pastebin.no/1678 |
| 09:53.22 | goxboxlive | realy |
| 09:53.34 | cr2 | hi |
| 09:53.43 | goxboxlive | how did you install it? Do you install it like ipk install "package" |
| 09:53.46 | goxboxlive | hi cr2 |
| 09:53.48 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i can't boot your image. |
| 09:53.56 | goxboxlive | cr2: Why? |
| 09:54.03 | goxboxlive | boot image or start opie? |
| 09:54.10 | cr2 | the same evil "can't start init" |
| 09:54.15 | cr2 | image |
| 09:54.21 | goxboxlive | Do you use the provided zImage? |
| 09:55.22 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i think i copy all missing by hand because i have already helix mixer and other |
| 09:55.24 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 09:55.59 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes, i've copied it from /boot |
| 09:56.34 | cr2 | BabelO: i guess gnokii is more important than helix :) |
| 09:56.57 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Ok, i have just one issue when installing. It misses pkg.sh in qipem something. But i just copy it form the source |
| 09:57.21 | goxboxlive | babelO: Yes gnokii is the most important. NAd cam (hint hint cr2) |
| 09:57.56 | goxboxlive | cr2: I find this strange. |
| 09:58.28 | goxboxlive | The cant start init thing sound like a it's compiled with a diffrent gcc compiler. |
| 09:58.48 | goxboxlive | I'll try out the image when i get home to see if i have the same issue. |
| 09:59.07 | goxboxlive | But it should be the same as the one i am using. |
| 09:59.13 | BabelO | goxboxlive : a question about gomunicator, how do you configure it ? it always say to me that init string fail :( |
| 10:00.01 | BabelO | cr2: i send to psokolovsky to build static defconfig for BA, it looks really nice, now i have only 31 modules ;) |
| 10:00.03 | goxboxlive | BabelO: I use OE, but i do not compile the løinuxtogo version. I where using the xanadux one with some universal addons. |
| 10:00.30 | cr2 | goxboxlive: can you check the camera on a780 with the most recent kernel ? |
| 10:00.43 | goxboxlive | BabelO. Why dont you just use Openmoko-dialer in your gpe image |
| 10:00.47 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i just do ipkg install gomunicator, since i have wifi working, it is more easier ;) |
| 10:01.11 | BabelO | goxboxlive: openmoko-dialer, is very big and does not fit into screen :( |
| 10:01.37 | cr2 | BabelO: i'm the 'modularize everything' guy :) i'd like to have asic3_base as a module. |
| 10:01.37 | goxboxlive | ok, and i guess you are using the angstrom repo. I dont have any clue about it. |
| 10:01.53 | goxboxlive | babelO: Have you tried to edit system.conf for dbus? Is it a dbus failure yu get? |
| 10:02.08 | BabelO | cr2: now, i have all builtin except phone, acx and sound |
| 10:02.38 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Try this filein your dbus directory. It solved my issue: http://gnulinux.biz/files/Universal/tmp/misc/system.conf |
| 10:02.41 | BabelO | goxboxlive : yes it is a dbus issue, but how can i solve it ? |
| 10:03.42 | cr2 | BabelO: modularizing everything is a very good indicator of code quality. afaik the driver is not accepted in the mainline kernel if it fails the modular build. |
| 10:03.48 | goxboxlive | cr2: On my A780? I dont have a cam application for it on A780 |
| 10:04.04 | goxboxlive | I am uisng the motorola kernel on my a780 |
| 10:04.21 | cr2 | goxboxlive: dd if=/dev/fb1 of=screenshot |
| 10:04.33 | cr2 | or something like that. |
| 10:05.09 | BabelO | cr2: ah i don't know about this module stuff ;) the only problem with module on BA is the loading order :( |
| 10:05.37 | BabelO | cr2 : it is a good idea to compile with preemptive and also timer tic ? |
| 10:05.42 | cr2 | BabelO: let's make all things work in a static config first. |
| 10:05.45 | goxboxlive | cr2: Ok, so you are saying that is should boot my A780 with openezx and test cam, right? |
| 10:05.55 | cr2 | BabelO: why not ? |
| 10:06.00 | goxboxlive | do i realy have to? Why cant we just ask stefan if it works. |
| 10:06.32 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i've read that it works in the openezx mailing list archive. |
| 10:07.11 | cr2 | we only need to pull the pxa-camera and ov96x0.c* drivers from a780. |
| 10:07.53 | cr2 | if the power/enable gpios are hardcoded, then we can make a local hack. |
| 10:08.34 | BabelO | cr2 : : ok ill try it after. it is better with normally. I also see that some distrib like redhat set kernel to 500hz or instead of current 100Hz for desktop |
| 10:08.51 | cr2 | but what is really needed is the cleaned up version of these files, so they are common for all devices. |
| 10:09.20 | cr2 | BabelO: alpha was using HZ=1024 from the very beginning. |
| 10:11.04 | BabelO | cr2: yes i see also this value, can this add some reactivity to embedded ? maybe battery power add issue with this ;) |
| 10:11.58 | BabelO | goxboxlive : also hciattach does not start on boot automatically ? |
| 10:12.48 | cr2 | yes, it will be more "visually responsive". may waste some cpu though. |
| 10:12.53 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Yes i know, has ever done that? I know irattach was, but it ws removed because of saving battery |
| 10:19.00 | BabelO | goxboxlive: and for setting network interface up over gpe ( not command line) |
| 10:26.34 | cr2 | goxboxlive: why don#t you enable usb0 by default ? |
| 10:33.44 | goxboxlive | cr2: Because i have to unpack and then repack the images. I just build them and upload them. I dont want to edit them after they have been buildt |
| 10:35.02 | cr2 | hm. is it so unusual to have usb0 enabled on other devices ? |
| 10:35.29 | cr2 | what if i don't have a keyboard ?? |
| 10:36.00 | cr2 | and the touchscreen does not work. then there are no means to enable it at all. |
| 10:36.45 | cr2 | look at hermes as an example. and it#s the standard. |
| 10:37.22 | cr2 | it's very easy to get usb client working, ts/keyboard/bt/wifi is much more difficult. |
| 10:37.32 | goxboxlive | r2: Doesnt the TS work? Did you run ts_calibrate before you launched opie2? |
| 10:38.21 | goxboxlive | cr2: read my last comment |
| 10:41.28 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok, but somebody should do it anyway. |
| 10:41.51 | cr2 | i can't run anything, because the kernel can't exec init ;) |
| 10:43.35 | goxboxlive | ok |
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| 11:11.45 | Foxdie | hi tsdogs |
| 11:12.00 | tsdogs | hi Foxdie |
| 11:12.05 | Foxdie | how are you? |
| 11:12.29 | tsdogs | fine, trying to rebuild opieI with BabelO phone app. |
| 11:12.51 | Foxdie | ooh I wish you lukc :) |
| 11:12.54 | Foxdie | *luck |
| 11:12.58 | tsdogs | thx |
| 11:13.05 | Foxdie | I still have had no luck with /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 11:13.24 | tsdogs | me neither, also now my LCD is flashing :( |
| 11:13.27 | Foxdie | and I've tried most of the angstrom roms listed on the handhelds.org page |
| 11:14.12 | tsdogs | I really have no Idea what we are doing wrong. If I find anything I'll let you know. |
| 11:14.28 | Foxdie | goxboxlive: I'm coming to the end of my phone contract, I can upgrade soon, I may get another universal or another, how close are you to needing a test subject for flash / internal storage? |
| 11:20.25 | Foxdie | same question to anyone else |
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| 11:31.02 | goxboxlive | cr2: I just remind tha i am not able to ssh my A780. I have crashed it somehow. i need to reflash it to have it working again. And i wouldnt do that. |
| 11:31.30 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: you better ask cr2 about that. He is the kernel developer |
| 11:44.20 | BabelO | cr2: screen is flickering again on BA :( and battery percentage is not right, when i leave linux it says 90% and in wince it is 80% ;) |
| 11:51.23 | Foxdie | BabelO: a guess at why that is is windows mobile might keep that 10% reserved incase device doesn't have non-volatile storage and shut it down at 10% |
| 11:53.16 | BabelO | Foxdie : : maybe you have right , on BA i have a backup battery |
| 11:53.28 | BabelO | i check battery capacity and it is ok |
| 11:56.46 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: is your opie2 image flickering with hh3 / hh4 kernels? |
| 11:57.14 | tsdogs | If I put the old hh0 it does not, with new hh2 / hh3 /hh4 it flikers... :( |
| 11:58.50 | tsdogs | Also keyboard is not working here ... |
| 11:58.54 | tsdogs | bbl |
| 12:02.13 | BabelO | cr2 : it is battery capacity which it is wrong, on by pack it is writed 3.7 V, i think we need to change it again |
| 12:03.25 | Foxdie | tsdogs: I have that problem with current gpe release on gnu thingy site |
| 12:03.50 | Foxdie | gnulinux.biz |
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| 12:54.09 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: no mine isent flicker (using hh3). But when i tried your opie2 image it flicker with hh3. |
| 12:54.27 | goxboxlive | havent tried out other kernels with your image. |
| 13:08.37 | tsdogs | BabelO: are you developing with opie2 or qtopia 4.2.2 ? |
| 13:09.18 | BabelO | opie2 |
| 13:09.23 | cr2 | BabelO: 3.7V can't be the capacity. |
| 13:09.36 | BabelO | why ? |
| 13:09.48 | tsdogs | http://www.pastebin.ca/502269 |
| 13:09.56 | cr2 | Foxdie: i'm surprised that you don't have ttyUSB0 |
| 13:10.21 | cr2 | BabelO: capacity is measured in Coulomb :) =As |
| 13:10.24 | BabelO | cr2 : : 3700000 is my battery capacity, it is writtend |
| 13:10.39 | BabelO | ah ? they keep coulomb :( |
| 13:10.43 | cr2 | As~Ah~mAh |
| 13:10.56 | BabelO | so it is a 1490 mAh |
| 13:10.59 | cr2 | i'm joking |
| 13:11.12 | BabelO | ok :( |
| 13:11.16 | cr2 | but volage and current are two different things. |
| 13:11.24 | cr2 | s/volage/voltage/ |
| 13:11.38 | BabelO | yes i know, but why 4200000 is set in blueangel.c ? |
| 13:11.52 | cr2 | BabelO: what does wince say ? |
| 13:11.57 | cr2 | powermon |
| 13:12.18 | BabelO | hum i need to check again this evening |
| 13:12.25 | cr2 | imho all our li-ion batteries are 4.2V rated. |
| 13:13.15 | cr2 | tsdogs: you have roadmap running with qt4 ? |
| 13:13.20 | Foxdie | cr2: so am I, everyone else says they can get it |
| 13:13.25 | Foxdie | I don't have luck :/ |
| 13:13.42 | cr2 | Foxdie: :( i had it working 1.5 years ago... |
| 13:14.02 | cr2 | but now i can't even exec init. |
| 13:14.12 | Foxdie | question for you cr2, how far are we away from flash / internal storage testing / booting on universal? |
| 13:14.27 | Foxdie | it's time for me to upgrade soon, I might be more willing to be risky with my universal soon ;) |
| 13:14.57 | Foxdie | the closest I got was with tsdogs opie based image |
| 13:14.58 | cr2 | we are far away. |
| 13:15.12 | cr2 | we have zero docs. |
| 13:15.15 | BabelO | tsdogs: , it is because, i only use main.cpp and phone.cpp |
| 13:15.20 | Foxdie | ahh :( |
| 13:15.40 | cr2 | the datasheet from m-systems is useless, because wince uses much more registers than are documented there. |
| 13:15.58 | Foxdie | how dangerous is it to start randomly reading data from the flash chip? |
| 13:16.06 | cr2 | we should aim the raw readonly driver first. |
| 13:16.21 | cr2 | you don't need to do it randomly. |
| 13:16.23 | Foxdie | and is there a tool that can be run under windows mobile that can map it for us? |
| 13:16.52 | cr2 | we have coverted the initial asm loader to *.c / lkcl and me. |
| 13:17.21 | Foxdie | is there any way I can assist? |
| 13:17.37 | Foxdie | or is it just a matter of time? |
| 13:17.38 | cr2 | the code needs some minor cleanup, and to add mmap /dev/mem |
| 13:17.44 | tsdogs | cr2: yes somehow, need to fix many things, but map is displaying and moving in greenphone SDK :) |
| 13:18.22 | tsdogs | BabelO: So I need to do what? change the Makefile ? |
| 13:18.24 | cr2 | it's a matter of coding and testing. and some hardcore math if you'd like to have wince compatibility. |
| 13:18.36 | cr2 | tsdogs: wow :) where is the patch ? |
| 13:19.08 | tsdogs | haven't done it yet, it's very unstable. but I can prepare one for tonight. |
| 13:19.09 | cr2 | greenphone SDK ? can it be compiled with normal qt4 ? |
| 13:19.17 | Foxdie | is this gps software? |
| 13:19.20 | cr2 | that will be really cool. |
| 13:19.24 | tsdogs | dialogs, and file selection ain't working yet |
| 13:19.25 | cr2 | Foxdie: yes. |
| 13:19.26 | tsdogs | ok. |
| 13:19.34 | Foxdie | that I would like to test because I have bluetooth gps dongle ;) |
| 13:20.04 | Foxdie | and I drive to and from work every day |
| 13:21.28 | Foxdie | but first I need to focus on gprs / utms testing, I will have a play in a moment, my workload is easing up |
| 13:24.54 | Foxdie | tsdogs any newer stable images for me? I'm not having much luck with any of the angstrom ones |
| 13:25.19 | tsdogs | Foxdie: kernel you mean? |
| 13:26.09 | Foxdie | well, as in tarballed up filesystems |
| 13:26.21 | Foxdie | like the one you asked me to test the other day |
| 13:26.32 | Foxdie | although I couldn't get gprs working, it was the closest I could get |
| 13:26.40 | tsdogs | Foxdie: I think goxboxlive is going to do one for BabelO ... |
| 13:27.00 | Foxdie | what will be unique about that one? |
| 13:27.02 | tsdogs | Also I think it is working on his one |
| 13:27.16 | tsdogs | opie2 / hh3 kernel |
| 13:27.32 | tsdogs | no idea why mine isn't working :( |
| 13:27.34 | Foxdie | ooh |
| 13:27.51 | Foxdie | I will keep my fingers crossed that hh3 brings us more fortune :) |
| 13:28.09 | tsdogs | they already passed to hh4 :) |
| 13:28.26 | tsdogs | I have tryed it but no luck :( |
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| 13:48.23 | BabelO | tsdogs : keep only main.* and phone.* in your directory move other outside |
| 13:50.01 | Foxdie | is there a way to set up multiple terminals on your image tsdogs? |
| 13:50.20 | Foxdie | I have a gut feeling that calling opie GUI interferes with usbserial |
| 13:50.25 | tsdogs | sure, just add them to inittab |
| 13:51.04 | tsdogs | copy the one with 1:2345:respawn to 2 3 4 and then change the tty |
| 13:51.04 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok |
| 13:51.12 | tsdogs | I need to reconfig he? :( |
| 13:57.54 | BabelO | tsdogs : i think if you uncompress it in srv/application/gnuphone |
| 13:58.04 | BabelO | you have only to do make |
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| 14:41.46 | Foxdie | okay I have tried just about every way I can think up to get /dev/ttyUSB0 present |
| 14:42.46 | Foxdie | this time I try cu to ttyS0, issue at@usbpower=1, then spawn shell from CU with ~!, then su and modprobe usbserial vendor=0x05c6 product=0x3197, then try and lsusb and nothing is listed, nor is there /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 15:31.50 | goxboxlive | cr2: Are you using your crppy SD card wich you have had problems with before? |
| 15:38.51 | goxboxlive | s/crppy/crappy |
| 15:42.55 | BabelO | psokolovsky_ : : hi, did you identiofy h5000 issue with ts ? i have same on BA |
| 15:49.29 | cr2 | Foxdie: cat /sys/... |
| 15:49.55 | cr2 | goxboxlive: no. it's an ancient 128MB card that i always used before. |
| 15:50.45 | Foxdie | cat /sys/bus/usb-serial/ then what? |
| 15:50.57 | goxboxlive | cr2: ok, then i have no idea. |
| 15:51.51 | cr2 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=903987 |
| 15:52.29 | cr2 | cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
| 15:52.32 | cr2 | sorry |
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| 15:53.50 | Foxdie | do I cat it with phone open in CU? before / after modprobe? |
| 15:54.19 | cr2 | does not matter. |
| 15:54.51 | Foxdie | there is no devices file in that folder |
| 15:55.04 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what is your haret CMDLINE ? |
| 15:55.19 | cr2 | Foxdie: then your USB host is not working. |
| 15:55.40 | Foxdie | so there is something i must do before cu? |
| 15:56.18 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:~$ cat /media/card/linux/opie2-gnokii/startup.txt |
| 15:56.18 | goxboxlive | set KERNEL zImage |
| 15:56.19 | goxboxlive | set CMDLINE "psplash=false rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p3 console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1" |
| 15:56.19 | goxboxlive | boot2 |
| 15:56.19 | goxboxlive | #resumeintoboot |
| 15:56.43 | Foxdie | hmm, mini usb-a to usb-b cable... I can build one of those |
| 15:56.45 | cr2 | no, it just happened to work for everybody else. there are some dark corners with our USB host. |
| 15:56.50 | goxboxlive | cr2: just notice i have root on mmc**p3 . I use swap on p2 |
| 15:56.58 | Foxdie | I have usb keyboard too |
| 15:57.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: strange ;) |
| 15:57.40 | goxboxlive | is it the same as you? |
| 15:57.50 | cr2 | Foxdie: it's too uncertain for now, and you need some extrnal power & so on. |
| 15:58.34 | BabelO | goxboxlive : what is your last comented option resumeintoboot ? |
| 15:58.35 | Foxdie | mini usb on pda cannot power an external usb keyboard? |
| 15:58.35 | cr2 | goxboxlive: not exactly, but mostly the same. |
| 15:58.38 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Something that doesnt work on universal. It works with apache |
| 15:58.44 | cr2 | Foxdie: we don't know, but i guess so. |
| 15:58.48 | Foxdie | I could steal 5 volts @ 500mA from a PSU |
| 15:58.49 | goxboxlive | It suspends and then boot when you hit the power button |
| 15:58.54 | Foxdie | would you like me to test? I have a multimeter |
| 15:59.16 | Foxdie | and I have at least 2 USB Mini-A cables |
| 15:59.25 | BabelO | cr2: is there difference between gnuharet and latest Haret that display a nice progress bar on boot ? because with latest it seem i ve some initialization issue |
| 15:59.50 | cr2 | Foxdie: i've already soldered such cable and it didn't help. do you have a powered mini-USB hub ? |
| 16:00.16 | cr2 | BabelO: i have removed the progress bar from gnuharet ages ago. |
| 16:00.28 | Foxdie | somewhere I have a standard powered usb hub, I could solder on a mini-a cable |
| 16:00.44 | Foxdie | I will be back online in about 60 minutes, time to drive home ;) |
| 16:00.48 | Foxdie | let me know cr2 ;) |
| 16:00.49 | cr2 | ok. |
| 16:02.38 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i can't exec init on himalaya too. it works on blueangel. but there were my hacked kernels. it's a mystery why i can't boot with your kernel on the universal. |
| 16:03.32 | cr2 | there is vurtually nothing one can do wrong here. |
| 16:04.46 | cr2 | i can boot himalaya with Kevin's initrd, though. |
| 16:04.53 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes i have no idea why you cant |
| 16:05.21 | goxboxlive | initrd? I have not upport for initrd in the kernel zImage |
| 16:06.01 | goxboxlive | Try aplying your own kernel zImage and kernel modules and see if that helps. Mine is compiled with angstrom-gcc |
| 16:06.18 | cr2 | hm. mine too. |
| 16:06.35 | cr2 | maybe i should try to compile my own kernel. |
| 16:07.13 | cr2 | does 'ldd' show eabi/oldabi ? |
| 16:07.13 | BabelO | cr2 : it is time to try with make htcuniversal_static_defconfig ;p |
| 16:07.32 | cr2 | BabelO: i use the kernel of goxboxlive |
| 16:09.11 | BabelO | cr2 : i m joking too ;) |
| 16:10.47 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Do you know where the *.desktop files are in /opt/Qtopia ? I am missing the tetrix icon and looking for where i can add it |
| 16:12.02 | cr2 | lol. goxboxlive, i'd like to have your problems :) |
| 16:12.11 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 16:12.40 | goxboxlive | cr2: Are you sure your sd card is ok? |
| 16:13.05 | cr2 | i can try another one. |
| 16:13.13 | goxboxlive | It's sounds like last time you had the same problem with the crappy sd card you had. Maybe it's getting old. |
| 16:13.20 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 16:13.28 | cr2 | but then i need to change default.txt |
| 16:13.43 | cr2 | because all other cards have only 1 partition. |
| 16:13.48 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:14.52 | BabelO | cr2 : : with my old 128 Mb card, i ve issue too, but only slowness and writing error sometimes |
| 16:15.19 | goxboxlive | BabelO: ?? *.desktop |
| 16:15.44 | goxboxlive | maybe i have to use vsexplorer |
| 16:15.48 | BabelO | goxboxlive : no i don't know how to add it :( |
| 16:15.58 | BabelO | goxboxlive : not vsexplorer for this |
| 16:16.02 | cr2 | goxboxlive: find /opt/Qtopia -name \*.desktop |
| 16:16.16 | goxboxlive | cr2 i have tried |
| 16:16.55 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Did tsdogs manage to compile the gnuphone? |
| 16:17.24 | tsdogs | nope still buildind ( I stupidly reconfigured :) |
| 16:17.28 | tsdogs | :( |
| 16:17.31 | cr2 | BabelO: how can i check if the binary is EABI or not ? it's all COFF vs. ELF weirdness again. after 15 years. |
| 16:17.38 | goxboxlive | ohh, did you have to do that? |
| 16:17.47 | goxboxlive | babelO: Send me the files, i want to try myself |
| 16:18.25 | BabelO | goxboxlive : nope, you see nothing, that why i send it to tsdogs, because nothing appear :( |
| 16:18.30 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:18.50 | goxboxlive | so that's the problem now, nothing is viewable? |
| 16:18.50 | BabelO | cr2: with file under classic linux, it say that ? |
| 16:19.01 | cr2 | they added mono to OE. i#ve already barfed. |
| 16:19.25 | cr2 | BabelO: looking. |
| 16:19.35 | BabelO | cr2 : yes mono, it is really funny, and works with misc module ;) |
| 16:20.29 | BabelO | cr2: it is good to have mono on arm, because lot of windows user like to build .NET application for phone |
| 16:20.35 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:21.13 | cr2 | BabelO: gives bloatware a new name. next they will come to an idea to run java. |
| 16:21.43 | BabelO | cr2: yes, but java i did not found any binary for arm :( |
| 16:21.49 | cr2 | porting wine may be a better idea. |
| 16:22.04 | BabelO | cr2 wine for wince ? a good idea yes |
| 16:22.54 | cr2 | BabelO: i run a simple java applet on this dual opteron with 8GB RAM. it's not very fast and uses >512MB RAM. |
| 16:23.26 | cr2 | that's what i name mature resource-saving technology ;) |
| 16:24.05 | BabelO | cr2 : http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2005-September/040161.html |
| 16:25.14 | cr2 | i really don't understand this mindless wasting RAM and CPU. maybe because i was disassembling and modifying the 8048 programs :) |
| 16:25.21 | BabelO | cr2 : yes i dislike JAVA for this, but it is their default parameter, you can keep thread behind 64 Mo |
| 16:25.36 | cr2 | and running X+mosaic in 4MB RAM. |
| 16:26.04 | cr2 | imho there is no excuse for this bloatware. |
| 16:26.58 | goxboxlive | Why havent they updated opie2 cvs to all 4.2.2? I have just builded qtopia-4.2.2 and the packeges is name *_4.2.2_arm.qpk. In opie2 they are named *_4.2.1_arm.qpk |
| 16:27.01 | BabelO | cr2 : : yes one month ago i was playing with looking glass on my athlon XP 1800 with 512 Mo RAM... not really fast |
| 16:30.03 | cr2 | BabelO: i think that the complexity of running wine on arm is overestimated. |
| 16:31.26 | cr2 | if somebody will port a core COFF loader that's able to exec MessageBox() that will be 80% of the job. |
| 16:31.56 | cr2 | and i don't think it's extremely difficult to do. |
| 16:32.17 | cr2 | judging from the countless disassembled wince files :) |
| 16:32.37 | BabelO | cr2 : yes, you are the master of wince so i m agree with you...instead dosbox is already running |
| 16:32.56 | BabelO | cr2 : or another funny thing is to port Xen to arm... lol |
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| 16:36.44 | cr2 | BabelO: do you have a non-eabi binary somewhere ? |
| 16:36.56 | cr2 | probably the old BA initrd. |
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| 16:38.47 | BabelO | cr2 : not at home actually :( |
| 16:39.06 | BabelO | http://gnulinux.biz/files/blueangel/sd/linux/ |
| 16:39.18 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.45 | cr2 | for GNU/Linux 2.6.14 |
| 16:40.02 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.26 | cr2 | the kernel version is the only difference. |
| 16:44.20 | BabelO | so it is not eabi version ? |
| 16:46.15 | cr2 | 2.6.14 is what is compiled in OE. 2.2.0 and 2.0.0 is in the old ramdisk. |
| 16:46.57 | tsdogs | BabelO: is gnuphone segfaulting to you too? |
| 16:47.06 | BabelO | oui |
| 16:47.09 | BabelO | yes |
| 16:47.43 | tsdogs | libqtopia ? |
| 16:48.20 | Foxdie | home \o/ |
| 16:48.41 | cr2 | tsdogs: gnuphone ? |
| 16:48.50 | tsdogs | cr2: yes |
| 16:48.58 | tsdogs | BabelO: phone app- |
| 16:49.10 | cr2 | is it gpephone ? |
| 16:49.58 | cr2 | or do i miss something obvious ? :) |
| 16:51.43 | tsdogs | cr2: BabelO has started developing on the opie2 phone |
| 16:56.46 | tsdogs | BabelO: the failing line is this one QMenu *menu = QSoftMenuBar::menuFor( display ); |
| 17:00.09 | BabelO | tsdogs : only this one ? ;) |
| 17:00.27 | tsdogs | well, I have not commented this out yet, was trying to fix it :) |
| 17:01.24 | tsdogs | the display widget is 0 (?) |
| 17:02.27 | tsdogs | BabelO: yes, commenting this out, the phone works (no display though) |
| 17:02.30 | BabelO | tsdogs: : yes that is waht i saying yesturday, maybe need to specify layout instead of widget :( |
| 17:02.53 | tsdogs | checking how to fix it. |
| 17:03.47 | BabelO | ok, wait i come back to home in few minutes i hope, if i found my windows bug with WM_MESSAGE ;) |
| 17:04.27 | tsdogs | :) |
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| 17:18.56 | Foxdie | bah |
| 17:19.06 | Foxdie | universal doesn't supply any usb power |
| 17:19.40 | Foxdie | I did have a USB hub but I can't find the bloody thing |
| 17:20.20 | Foxdie | I take that back, I just found it |
| 17:20.35 | Foxdie | and its a powered usb hub too ^_^ |
| 17:28.44 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: There? |
| 17:29.09 | Foxdie | cr2 question |
| 17:29.27 | Foxdie | I'm booting up with usb hub connected |
| 17:29.34 | Foxdie | will it automatically be enabled and ready to use? |
| 17:29.53 | Foxdie | or do I need to modprobe something? |
| 17:30.01 | Foxdie | I am testing now with powered USB hub |
| 17:39.42 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: forget it i found it |
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| 17:46.25 | Foxdie | are you there cr2? |
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| 17:46.27 | Foxdie | wb BabelO |
| 17:46.27 | BabelO | back ;) |
| 17:46.33 | Foxdie | I dont suppose you know how to probe for usb devices? |
| 17:47.01 | Foxdie | i've made a usb mini A to B cable to test powered USB Hub |
| 17:47.13 | Foxdie | when I plug it in I get a warning about how there's not enough power to charge the device, but nothing more |
| 17:48.40 | BabelO | Foxdie: yes, because we don't know how to force USB to send 500 mA power :( |
| 17:49.15 | Foxdie | thats okay, I don't need power, I have powered USB hub connected to it |
| 17:49.27 | Foxdie | and I'm stealing power from the USB port from my main PC >:) |
| 17:49.48 | Foxdie | so power is not a problem here |
| 17:49.55 | Foxdie | only how to get kernel to recognise usb devices |
| 17:52.44 | Foxdie | any ideas? |
| 17:52.50 | BabelO | you need to modprobe some module but i don't know which one |
| 17:52.57 | Foxdie | goxboxlive do you know? |
| 17:53.11 | goxboxlive | hld on i read |
| 17:53.20 | BabelO | Foxdie: go to /lib/modules/<your kernel>/kernel/drivers/usb |
| 17:53.26 | BabelO | and modprobe all you find ;) |
| 17:53.29 | Foxdie | :D |
| 17:53.31 | BabelO | then check dmesg |
| 17:53.42 | goxboxlive | do you have module usb_gadget? |
| 17:53.51 | goxboxlive | no hold on |
| 17:54.06 | goxboxlive | usb_storage i think it's named |
| 17:55.53 | Foxdie | um, there's not many modules there it seems |
| 17:56.02 | Foxdie | usbserial, gadget, ohci_hcd |
| 17:56.11 | Foxdie | usbserial is well.. for gprs |
| 17:56.25 | Foxdie | gadget I believe is for usb client / eth-over-usb |
| 17:56.33 | Foxdie | so I modprobed ohci_hcd, nothing happened |
| 17:56.41 | Foxdie | nothing in dmesg |
| 17:58.40 | Foxdie | I have also tried turning on usbpower in cu |
| 17:58.48 | Foxdie | still same problem |
| 18:00.10 | BabelO | Foxdie: try usbserial now with ohci |
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| 18:02.41 | Foxdie | nothing :/ |
| 18:03.28 | Foxdie | other than the usual messages when usbserial is loaded |
| 18:20.25 | goxboxlive | hmm Opie2 segfault when i try to start it up in landscape mode |
| 18:20.57 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i think it is what ljp say about transformed plugin |
| 18:21.27 | goxboxlive | ok, it starts, but when it shall show the home desk it seg faults |
| 18:22.38 | BabelO | goxboxlive: try to reverse qws_display setting when you are in landscape ? |
| 18:23.26 | goxboxlive | reverse? |
| 18:23.45 | BabelO | yes reverse width and height |
| 18:23.54 | goxboxlive | ohh allready tried that |
| 18:24.04 | goxboxlive | BabelO, check this it |
| 18:24.09 | BabelO | :( |
| 18:24.24 | goxboxlive | pastbin.co.uk/15019 |
| 18:25.20 | goxboxlive | I have just added the #define stuff to the file |
| 18:25.30 | goxboxlive | hxcom.h |
| 18:25.40 | goxboxlive | Is that why i doint have helix working? |
| 18:26.23 | goxboxlive | Have you done the same? |
| 18:27.16 | goxboxlive | or do you have some atomic suggestions? |
| 18:30.44 | BabelO | do you setup helix before configure qtopia ? |
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| 18:31.20 | BabelO | ;) tsdogs : my windows is working |
| 18:32.17 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Setup how? You told me just add the cayenne source and add helix configure |
| 18:34.14 | goxboxlive | _to_ configure |
| 18:35.13 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is ok, because i ues another way ;) |
| 18:35.15 | BabelO | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=2#62 |
| 18:35.58 | goxboxlive | http://gnulinux.biz/files//Universal/tmp/crap/helix.jpg |
| 18:36.28 | goxboxlive | babelO: So you mean that i could just add |
| 18:36.40 | goxboxlive | #define atomic blabla |
| 18:36.43 | BabelO | it is ok like you do |
| 18:36.49 | goxboxlive | good |
| 18:37.00 | BabelO | but i nerver add this error |
| 18:37.58 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:38.05 | BabelO | try with image you get from me |
| 18:38.32 | BabelO | to be sure it is not an alsa issue |
| 18:38.55 | goxboxlive | mplayer worked |
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| 18:48.20 | goxboxlive | I wounder why packagemanager build in qtopia-4.2.2 and not in Opie |
| 18:49.17 | tsdogs | Hi all |
| 18:49.39 | BabelO | not a problem , there is no package at the moment ;) |
| 18:50.00 | tsdogs | I copied the whole directory and it built :) |
| 18:51.13 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Yes there is, i have build them all |
| 18:51.23 | goxboxlive | And i can create my own repo |
| 18:51.42 | goxboxlive | and ipkg wouldnt install *.qpk |
| 18:51.47 | BabelO | you are the official sponsors ;) |
| 18:51.57 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 18:52.24 | BabelO | tsdogs: you do same than me for building helix |
| 18:53.22 | tsdogs | I have never built helix |
| 18:53.33 | BabelO | ah :( |
| 18:54.03 | tsdogs | bbl baby calling again |
| 18:56.22 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i like my helix to qtopia, and it build |
| 18:56.50 | BabelO | s/like/link/ |
| 18:57.23 | goxboxlive | BabelO, Thats the same as i do it. But where is the QPEDIR? |
| 18:57.40 | goxboxlive | I didnt do this: mv src $QPEDIR |
| 18:58.21 | BabelO | i do this |
| 18:58.32 | BabelO | it is not a link |
| 19:01.48 | goxboxlive | ? |
| 19:01.51 | BabelO | you take helix-client-src-cayenne-qtopia-4.2.1-03072006.tar.gz right ? |
| 19:01.53 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 19:02.22 | BabelO | so i go to src cdirecotry of this tar.gz file then move src content to src/3rdparty/libraries/helix of opieII |
| 19:07.16 | goxboxlive | ok i am trying that out now without reconfigure |
| 19:08.31 | cr2 | i've recompiled the kernel, but get the same "no init found" messages. |
| 19:08.43 | BabelO | hum src directory from helix to src directory of third party helix |
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| 19:10.15 | goxboxlive | cr2: DId you also tried out a new sd card? |
| 19:49.00 | goxboxlive | BabelO: How do i build without packagemanager? I have forgot. I have removed a line from general.pri but that didnt help. Is there any other i have to change? |
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| 20:04.17 | goxboxlive | Doesn anyone have any clue how to solve this? pastebin.co.uk/15023 |
| 20:07.25 | cr2 | http://pastebin.co.uk/15023 |
| 20:08.14 | cr2 | do you have #include <md5.h> |
| 20:08.24 | cr2 | or something like that there ? |
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| 20:08.48 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes |
| 20:09.32 | cr2 | "no init found". |
| 20:09.38 | cr2 | with another card. |
| 20:09.45 | goxboxlive | hmm |
| 20:10.44 | goxboxlive | I'll try out the opie2 image you are trying to boot, hold on |
| 20:11.37 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i remove it from pri file |
| 20:12.12 | BabelO | cr2: did you try with another card to pass init=/bin/sh to command line ? |
| 20:13.19 | BabelO | goxboxlive: src/general.pri |
| 20:15.21 | goxboxlive | yes that's the one i have edited, and still it want to build packamanager |
| 20:16.13 | goxboxlive | But there got to be an workaround for the packamanager since it build in the qtopie-4.2.2 source |
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| 20:20.26 | goxboxlive | cr2: It's tested and it boots on my universal |
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| 20:34.35 | cr2 | failed to execute /bin/ash |
| 20:41.34 | BabelO | cr2: really strange, not an old issue like stoping flight mode ? |
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| 20:44.52 | cr2 | it does not hang. the kernel fails on exec. |
| 20:45.13 | BabelO | ok |
| 20:45.26 | cr2 | i had the same problem on himalaya, and it does not want to exec from initrd too. |
| 20:46.03 | cr2 | that's why i like initramfs. |
| 20:46.28 | cr2 | then it would be possible to login over usb and check the SD mount manually. |
| 20:47.06 | cr2 | btw, the ext2 initrd and the SD partition are mounted, so it's not a mount problem. |
| 20:47.44 | cr2 | i thought it's a binary format problem, but the kernel supports EABI. |
| 20:48.08 | BabelO | cr2: http://pastebin.ca/503320 i try ethernet , serial, but storage does not works :( |
| 20:53.20 | cr2 | usb_storage on the host side ? |
| 20:55.05 | cr2 | BabelO: the most amazing thing is that blueangel boots. |
| 20:55.46 | BabelO | cr2: usbstorage with gadget on ba |
| 20:55.56 | tsdogs | cr2: you tryed building a busybox static? |
| 20:56.25 | cr2 | tsdogs: no. too lowlevel :) |
| 20:56.35 | BabelO | cr2: yes really strange |
| 20:58.32 | BabelO | mayber due to lot of module present in old blueangel deconfigf |
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| 21:13.02 | cr2 | BabelO: it's some weirdness in the exec code. |
| 21:15.43 | tsdogs | I have a problem trying cross compile roadmap, It is taking g++ but don't know where it is setted or how to change it to arm-linux-g++ (not in Makefiles) |
| 21:16.56 | cr2 | CC= CXX= ? |
| 21:17.16 | cr2 | i think it worked. |
| 21:17.47 | tsdogs | yep, missing CXX thx |
| 21:18.29 | cr2 | CXX=... make DESKTOP=QT |
| 21:19.39 | tsdogs | I changed something but yes. |
| 21:19.44 | BabelO | ok g_file_storage is also working on BA ;) it was funny parameter |
| 21:20.01 | cr2 | funny ? |
| 21:21.02 | BabelO | yes,modprobe g_file_storage removable file=/dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 21:21.36 | BabelO | and on other linux side it say no partition so for the first time i mount like this mount /dev/sda /mnt |
| 21:22.17 | cr2 | file=/dev/mmcblk0 |
| 21:22.17 | cr2 | does it help ? |
| 21:22.17 | BabelO | so it is nice, gadget serial ACM, i don't understand how to test it :( |
| 21:22.38 | BabelO | cr2: ah, i test this one ;) but other partition is already mounter ?! |
| 21:22.52 | cr2 | you don't need to test ACM. |
| 21:23.02 | cr2 | because you don't really have it :) |
| 21:23.09 | cr2 | check a780 for ACM. |
| 21:23.40 | BabelO | ok |
| 21:23.42 | cr2 | tsdogs: it should be probably DESKTOP=QT4. |
| 21:24.14 | tsdogs | cr2: yes right now I have done QT4 and QPE4, probably can be merged... |
| 21:24.15 | cr2 | tsdogs: the DESKTOP=QT was originally only for qtopia on zaurus. |
| 21:24.22 | tsdogs | ok. |
| 21:24.46 | cr2 | i've added some hacks for rotated strings, that require qt3. |
| 21:25.08 | cr2 | btw, does qtopia4 support rotated strings by default ? |
| 21:25.23 | cr2 | last time i've asked ljp, he did not remember. |
| 21:25.40 | tsdogs | well, right now I want it to cross-compile, so I can test it on Uni |
| 21:25.48 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:25.51 | tsdogs | cr2: no idea, we should check that out |
| 21:26.16 | BabelO | cr2: ok it detect two partition now, but it is buggy, the two partition have same size of 126Mo and also a normal thing i can' t mount partition that is already mounted on BA |
| 21:26.19 | cr2 | because it sucks when the street names are not parallel to the street segments in 2D mode. |
| 21:27.10 | cr2 | BabelO: ok. i think scp is superiour to usb_storage anyway :) |
| 21:28.10 | cr2 | tsdogs: if you'll succeed on the uni, make a screenshot :) |
| 21:28.17 | BabelO | ok so it is a 85% sucess ;) |
| 21:28.20 | tsdogs | ok I will |
| 21:29.52 | BabelO | cr2: ok ACM is to drive phone modem on A780 |
| 21:29.58 | BabelO | right ? |
| 21:31.30 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:31.49 | cr2 | the modem looks like an ACM device over usb. |
| 21:32.18 | BabelO | ok, maybe we can do same thing for our phone, using ba or universal as a modem for laptop |
| 21:33.17 | BabelO | ahh ah, i think i understand my message from ps axf or top command CONFIG_NO_IDLE_HZ |
| 21:33.22 | BabelO | is selected on BA |
| 21:33.23 | BabelO | echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/timer/timer0/dyn_tick |
| 21:40.59 | BabelO | ok so it is not enabled by default ? enable it allows extra power saving |
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| 21:45.15 | goxboxlive | oh man i am getting sick of this. I have removed packamanager from general.pri, but anyway it insist to compile it. Where else could it be defined? |
| 21:46.16 | BabelO | goxboxlive: it is only here, it set it at configure time |
| 21:46.31 | BabelO | but tsdogs compile it, i don't now how it do :( |
| 21:46.37 | goxboxlive | BabelO: So you are saying that i have to recompile? |
| 21:46.45 | BabelO | s/how it/how he/ |
| 21:46.56 | goxboxlive | he has merge 4.2.2 and Opie2 i guess |
| 21:47.07 | BabelO | ahh |
| 21:48.26 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: copy the whole packagemanager from qtopia 4.2.2 |
| 21:48.27 | goxboxlive | I have also just tried to copy the packagemanager form 4.2.2 to Opie2 but that didnt help either. It just wouldnt compile |
| 21:48.28 | goxboxlive | also the Makefile? |
| 21:48.28 | tsdogs | I think you'd need to configure though |
| 21:48.28 | tsdogs | yes. |
| 21:48.32 | goxboxlive | I copied all except mAKEFILE |
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| 21:52.57 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Did you merge 4.2.2 and opie2? |
| 21:53.16 | tsdogs | nope, only copied missing files and packagemanager. |
| 21:53.30 | goxboxlive | And the packagemanager builded? |
| 21:54.05 | tsdogs | I think so, have not had any issue since. |
| 21:54.53 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: And you didnt remove packagemanager from general.pri? |
| 21:55.03 | tsdogs | nope |
| 21:55.15 | tsdogs | let me check have done this some time ago now. |
| 21:55.21 | goxboxlive | ok, then i try. I'll start it now a let it build overnight |
| 21:55.27 | goxboxlive | right |
| 21:55.59 | tsdogs | yes it builded. |
| 21:56.09 | goxboxlive | ok, good |
| 21:56.14 | goxboxlive | Then i do the same |
| 21:57.05 | tsdogs | I have this issue now. ld cannot find libts though -L is setted correctly. what do I need rpath ? |
| 22:01.53 | cr2 | which ld ? |
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| 22:03.17 | tsdogs | http://www.pastebin.ca/503487 |
| 22:12.00 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.26 | tsdogs | was a test |
| 22:12.41 | tsdogs | and also wrong |
| 22:13.40 | cr2 | why don't you include the path directly ? |
| 22:13.57 | cr2 | hm. |
| 22:14.02 | cr2 | file libts-0.0.so.0 ? |
| 22:14.03 | tsdogs | I only need the libts to be included (the others are Qt lib dependencies) |
| 22:14.16 | tsdogs | Path is there /usr/local/arm/lib |
| 22:14.32 | tsdogs | Yes opie2 linked to tslib |
| 22:14.45 | cr2 | link with g++, not gcc |
| 22:15.11 | tsdogs | ok I'll try |
| 22:15.50 | cr2 | probably it does not like the c++ mangled names. |
| 22:16.02 | tsdogs | nope. |
| 22:16.17 | tsdogs | http://www.pastebin.ca/503508 |
| 22:16.32 | cr2 | arm-linux-gcc |
| 22:16.36 | cr2 | should be |
| 22:16.39 | cr2 | arm-linux-g++ |
| 22:17.34 | tsdogs | ok solved, needed to add the -lts (stupid me) |
| 22:17.38 | cr2 | check if libts-0.0.so.0 is an arm eabi etc., |
| 22:17.40 | cr2 | lol. |
| 22:18.36 | BabelO | cr2: you found your problem with init ? |
| 22:19.06 | cr2 | BabelO: no. it's too late and i'm tired. |
| 22:19.11 | BabelO | ok, so i build with preemtive, it is ok |
| 22:19.24 | BabelO | but never boot with dyntick enabled at boot prompt ;) |
| 22:22.22 | BabelO | tsdogs: so you can build my app it start but nothing displayed ;) i change to use layout and it is ok, maybe some strange thing of widget, i don t understand all of this |
| 22:22.48 | tsdogs | I builded it and only keypad was there. |
| 22:23.04 | tsdogs | the only working one was the * with sub menu |
| 22:23.27 | BabelO | ok, thx for your help |
| 22:23.59 | tsdogs | I made a slight change to check if (!i->widget()) and not if (!i) but I guess this in not good |
| 22:24.22 | tsdogs | s/this in/this is/ |
| 22:26.21 | BabelO | ok, i have to play more with this to understand all |
| 22:32.36 | cr2 | tsdogs: did it link now ? |
| 22:33.06 | tsdogs | yes, and also working (obiously missing all the widgets I removed) |
| 22:35.26 | BabelO | tsdogs: which widget did you remove ? |
| 22:36.05 | tsdogs | toolbars where already removed. menus, and dialogs. |
| 22:36.20 | tsdogs | Actually it only displays the map and you can move it arounf |
| 22:36.32 | tsdogs | s/arounf/around/ |
| 22:36.43 | tsdogs | but was only to have it working fast. |
| 22:38.15 | BabelO | tsdogs: did you look at this ? http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/porting4.html |
| 22:38.32 | BabelO | ok,to know if it wor'ks |
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| 22:38.47 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Make a screenie |
| 22:38.49 | tsdogs | yes lot of times, but dialogs, are dynamic and it needs some work. |
| 22:38.57 | BabelO | ok |
| 22:39.10 | tsdogs | I just to turn it 3D and you'll have the shot |
| 22:42.27 | cr2 | BabelO: Add the line QT += qt3support |
| 22:42.41 | cr2 | it will not work on the phone. |
| 22:43.29 | BabelO | cr2: yes it is an autodetect, maybe need qt3-compat on host also, i can check |
| 22:44.51 | cr2 | when the main branch will work, we will think about roadmap_editor. |
| 22:45.10 | cr2 | because it has _real_ route planning. |
| 22:46.07 | tsdogs | 3D is a bit slow to move.... |
| 22:46.24 | BabelO | ;) |
| 22:46.50 | BabelO | you have to solder a graphic 3d chipset on uni ;) |
| 22:47.18 | tsdogs | :) |
| 22:47.38 | tsdogs | BabelO: what do you use to take screenshot? |
| 22:47.46 | BabelO | vnc ;) |
| 22:47.57 | BabelO | other app not working |
| 22:48.03 | tsdogs | ok I'll switch, was using rdc |
| 22:48.25 | BabelO | tsdogs: oh working with rdc too |
| 22:48.30 | BabelO | i use ksnapshot |
| 22:51.20 | tsdogs | http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/Uni_Roadmap3D.png |
| 22:52.41 | BabelO | nice ;) need to set a good layout size, but it looks good |
| 22:53.00 | goxboxlive | cool tsdogs: |
| 22:53.03 | cr2 | can it be resized to fit the screen ? |
| 22:53.07 | tsdogs | as I sayd, forcedly put on it |
| 22:53.11 | cr2 | BabelO: athena :) |
| 22:53.17 | cr2 | tsdogs: ok. |
| 22:53.21 | goxboxlive | I saw also that you are able to run opie2 in landscape mode |
| 22:53.35 | goxboxlive | mine is segfault when i am trying |
| 22:53.35 | tsdogs | yes, but right now it's fixed |
| 22:53.36 | BabelO | when you say slow, how many fps approx on UNiversal screen ? |
| 22:53.50 | tsdogs | it's VNC, Transformed crashes |
| 22:53.55 | tsdogs | let me try |
| 22:53.59 | BabelO | cr2: really ? athena have 3D chipset ... it is a laptop |
| 22:54.32 | tsdogs | How do I calculate fps? is there a tool, or just guess? |
| 22:54.42 | cr2 | x11perf ? |
| 22:55.09 | tsdogs | no X11 on uni |
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| 22:55.57 | cr2 | just remembered running 'ico' many years ago :) |
| 22:56.06 | BabelO | tsdogs: like we a say in french " a la louche " :) |
| 22:56.19 | cr2 | opie had some built-in performance tool. |
| 22:56.40 | tsdogs | I have no Idea, but moving it is pretty slow, |
| 22:57.03 | cr2 | this qtopia cubes background makes things slow. |
| 22:57.16 | cr2 | it'll be the 1st thing i'll remove. |
| 22:57.17 | tsdogs | it takes something like 2/3 seconds to have a single move |
| 22:57.53 | tsdogs | But I also think that having it zoomed would increase performance. |
| 22:59.18 | tsdogs | 2D is acceptable |
| 22:59.18 | cr2 | 3D is very fp-intensive. |
| 22:59.18 | tsdogs | ok, I'll try to make it look bettere, and have at least menus working, so to see how performance is. |
| 22:59.18 | cr2 | it's certainly not for the dumb fb on arm. |
| 22:59.22 | BabelO | cr2: do you read me about dyntick ? |
| 22:59.29 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:01.36 | cr2 | BabelO: why are the "botton" icons not scaled ? |
| 23:02.24 | BabelO | cr2: i think it is mmWidth and mmheight paramters |
| 23:02.44 | cr2 | imho, this opie2 gui design is not for the landscape mode. i wish the up/bottom toolbars were moved to left/right. |
| 23:02.51 | BabelO | tsdogs: what are you using |
| 23:03.05 | cr2 | BabelO: but the ugly battery icon is scaled. |
| 23:03.07 | tsdogs | default one |
| 23:03.23 | BabelO | cr2: not a problem, only need to make a thme for universal big size and landscape mode |
| 23:03.31 | BabelO | tsdogs: ok so it is not good |
| 23:03.31 | cr2 | too much greyscale. |
| 23:03.35 | tsdogs | I saw iconsize -22 or something somewhere |
| 23:03.38 | goxboxlive | cr2: This is how it looks on uni with the mmwitch and mmheight: http://gnulinux.biz/files//Universal/tmp/crap/helix.jpg |
| 23:04.05 | BabelO | better like this |
| 23:04.18 | cr2 | goxboxlive: that looks much better. |
| 23:05.04 | BabelO | goxboxlive: what are your parameters ? |
| 23:05.28 | cr2 | BabelO: the real LCD size |
| 23:06.26 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 23:06.27 | goxboxlive | AFAIR 75 54 |
| 23:06.27 | BabelO | ok |
| 23:06.27 | cr2 | 3.8" diag 3:4 |
| 23:06.47 | cr2 | we need more colours and nice icons. |
| 23:07.01 | BabelO | cr2: more colours ? |
| 23:07.04 | cr2 | there was some customized wince5 set. |
| 23:07.32 | cr2 | yes, the screenshots use 16colours at most. |
| 23:07.55 | BabelO | if someone want to make a theme, it should be nice, i m not a graphic professional :( only some svg icons |
| 23:08.04 | goxboxlive | cr2: OPie2 looks real good now. ;My screenie is just low color to have fast VNC connection |
| 23:08.17 | cr2 | effectively. not counting the gradient stuff. |
| 23:08.21 | cr2 | goxboxlive: ok. |
| 23:09.23 | cr2 | i'll probably ask somebody with a good education in this area. later. |
| 23:09.44 | BabelO | cr2: good |
| 23:10.09 | cr2 | BabelO: m$ knows it best. the technology behind can be shit, but the presentation must be very good :) |
| 23:10.46 | BabelO | i think we can have exactly same theme as wince, and removing some bad thing too |
| 23:11.20 | BabelO | i like iphone GUI |
| 23:11.52 | BabelO | icon menu presentation or also nokia tablet look & feel |
| 23:12.02 | cr2 | we can learn something from the xda-dev customization efforts. |
| 23:12.23 | BabelO | yes |
| 23:13.17 | BabelO | ok so now, we have to work a little on htcphonehardware.cpp to set some material and send whole package to ljp ;) |
| 23:16.26 | cr2 | i need to exec init first ;) |
| 23:16.39 | BabelO | yes, after a good noght ;) |
| 23:16.48 | cr2 | didn#t run linux on uni for too long, and missed the failure point |
| 23:16.58 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:17.34 | tsdogs | cr2 BabelO good night |
| 23:17.46 | BabelO | good night tsdogs |
| 23:19.25 | cr2 | good night. |
| 23:19.39 | cr2 | BabelO: can you check the 'rotate' ? |
| 23:19.55 | BabelO | cr2: rotate on ? opie2 ? |
| 23:19.57 | cr2 | QPainter p; p.rotate(45); |
| 23:20.15 | cr2 | yes, just add this code somewhere and check if it compiles. |
| 23:20.23 | BabelO | ok |
| 23:20.36 | cr2 | on opie1 it was commented out in the default setup. |
| 23:20.55 | cr2 | since we are the first to really use opie2, we can set the standard. |
| 23:21.20 | cr2 | opie1 is not going to change, because it will break the binary compatibility. |
| 23:22.12 | BabelO | yes it compile with |
| 23:22.19 | BabelO | correct include |
| 23:22.31 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:22.32 | cr2 | ok, that's good. |
| 23:23.44 | BabelO | i think i read something about this class in doc |
| 23:24.13 | cr2 | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qpainter.html#rotate |
| 23:24.33 | cr2 | well, it does not work in opie1. |
| 23:25.04 | cr2 | you need a custom opie1 build to enable it. |
| 23:25.52 | BabelO | yes, have to try tomorrow over ssh when i m at work ;) |
| 23:28.05 | cr2 | good night. |
| 23:29.12 | BabelO | good night |
