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| 09:13.14 | BabelO | hi |
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| 12:37.02 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 12:37.24 | Foxdie | he's gone |
| 12:37.41 | Foxdie | left 2 hours ago |
| 13:40.56 | cr2 | Foxdie: you have an universal ? |
| 13:41.09 | cr2 | lol |
| 13:41.21 | Foxdie | yes I do |
| 13:41.35 | Foxdie | and yeah, foxscript was just a laugh :) |
| 13:42.25 | cr2 | can you check the UMTS data channel ? |
| 13:45.34 | Foxdie | you'll have to forgive me, I'm willing to help you but I am not a programmer, just an average linux user. |
| 13:45.47 | Foxdie | do you mean if I'm able to make UTMS / 3G connections in my current area? |
| 13:47.58 | Foxdie | if so, yes I am in UTMS coverage (UTMS base station about 150 meters away), I can test programs for you and send back output for you if that is what you seek :) |
| 13:55.25 | Foxdie | infact what I could do if it would help would be to set up like a remote test universal |
| 13:56.33 | Foxdie | you could ssh into it, run programs and test / save output for help with development |
| 13:56.50 | Foxdie | thats all I can offer really as a non-programmer ;) |
| 13:58.04 | Foxdie | so long as nothings permanently done to it (so I'm left with the ability to boot it back into windows mobile and use it normally, I don't care if its crashes so long as I can power-cycle and it works) |
| 13:58.31 | cr2 | i have UMTS here too, but i don't have a data contract. |
| 13:58.50 | Foxdie | ahh, that sucks |
| 13:58.58 | Foxdie | I do, and if it helps, I will test for you |
| 13:59.16 | cr2 | ok, do you have 'lsusb' ? |
| 14:00.12 | cr2 | well, maybe we should wait for goxboxlive first. |
| 14:00.23 | cr2 | he has done some tests. |
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| 14:04.54 | Foxdie | probably best to get his opinion first |
| 14:06.48 | Foxdie | I don't really use my universal outside of work (6pm - 7am UK time), if you want to book it for testing I can get it set up so you can literally ssh into it and do what you like with it |
| 14:07.32 | Foxdie | I'll be putting a 128MB SD card in it that you can store whatever you like on, and if you need me to reboot it if it crashes I will do so for you |
| 14:08.32 | Foxdie | if you want to send SMS or make phone calls, please only do it to UK non-premium phone numbers because my calling plan has inclusive minutes |
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| 14:08.40 | Foxdie | UTMS / GPRS access is completely free |
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| 14:09.33 | Foxdie | For a long time I've wanted to help with this project but because I'm not a programmer I've been limited, if lending my universal to developers over the net a couple of nights a week helps then I feel happy it's for a good cause |
| 14:10.18 | Foxdie | Because ultimately I want to ditch windows mobile and move to a friendlier platform :) |
| 14:20.21 | cr2 | :) ok. i'll think what we can do. |
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| 15:25.03 | Foxdie | cr2, may I pm? |
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| 17:05.19 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Are you there |
| 17:08.50 | cr2 | Foxdie: i've seen your message. |
| 17:09.08 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: yes here... |
| 17:09.19 | cr2 | goxboxlive: did something come out of your UMTS tests ? |
| 17:09.20 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Good |
| 17:09.36 | tsdogs | new kernel does not initialize the usb0 on my image (?) |
| 17:10.03 | tsdogs | if I do ifconfig usb0 up; /etc/init.d/networking start everithing works again :( |
| 17:10.08 | goxboxlive | I am trying out your conf file ow. But i see there is some missing USB stuff and why is Bluetooth sat as a module? |
| 17:10.36 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Yes, there are some missing USB stuff |
| 17:10.51 | tsdogs | Usb is in the kernel insthead of beeing a module |
| 17:11.12 | tsdogs | hi btw |
| 17:11.21 | goxboxlive | I'll try out my version to see if mine is also missing USB |
| 17:11.25 | tsdogs | If you looked into the machine file you'll find the reason |
| 17:11.51 | tsdogs | I think that's is not initialized, but USB is there (at least usbnet) |
| 17:12.45 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes, min is also missing all the USB stuff. |
| 17:12.58 | tsdogs | not all, only a few which are: |
| 17:13.12 | tsdogs | USB_DEVICEFS |
| 17:13.19 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Have you tried to load g_ether? |
| 17:13.35 | goxboxlive | maybe the module isent loaded at boot |
| 17:13.43 | tsdogs | it's not a module anymore... |
| 17:13.51 | tsdogs | it's in the kernel |
| 17:14.03 | tsdogs | (done by defconfig by itself) |
| 17:14.11 | tsdogs | s/config/configman/ |
| 17:14.32 | tsdogs | Let me explain a little the file I have created: |
| 17:14.52 | tsdogs | there are a few sections that I made up for debugging and migration |
| 17:15.04 | goxboxlive | cr2: No, i havent tested it for a while now |
| 17:15.35 | tsdogs | machine.devincluded: are the non standard angstrom features |
| 17:15.55 | tsdogs | machine.devmodules: should contain all the non standard angstrom modules |
| 17:16.45 | tsdogs | machine.nonstandard: are things we have personalized (fs / language options) |
| 17:17.23 | tsdogs | machine.removed: options I have removed 'cause I don't think they are needed or have no idea if they are needed |
| 17:17.40 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:18.01 | tsdogs | machine.noncompliant: means that this are forced by the default configuration to be not there |
| 17:18.39 | tsdogs | the only exception is LOG_BUF_SHIFT which is 16 in default insthead of 14 |
| 17:18.47 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:19.00 | tsdogs | It's been a hard work |
| 17:21.08 | tsdogs | I think EXT3 is not the right choice about the SD card filesystem (that's why angstrom is not including it) |
| 17:21.26 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: bbiaf (if you still there :) |
| 17:21.35 | goxboxlive | im here reading |
| 17:21.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:21.49 | goxboxlive | so we better use ext2 |
| 17:22.00 | goxboxlive | why all this http://pastebin.no/1636 |
| 17:24.02 | tsdogs | you using cvs version of defconfigman? |
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| 17:24.08 | tsdogs | Hi BabelO |
| 17:24.15 | BabelO | hi tsdogs |
| 17:24.18 | BabelO | hi all |
| 17:25.07 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: NON Existent symbols are problems about the default options of the kernel/distro selection (I have fixed all of ours) |
| 17:25.15 | tsdogs | the S1 seems to be very strange |
| 17:25.18 | BabelO | tsdogs: i made a nice icon for qtopia network signal |
| 17:25.27 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Yes i'm using cvs version |
| 17:25.33 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 17:25.47 | BabelO | as cr2 say basic network icon from qtopia are not nice |
| 17:25.54 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive ;) |
| 17:25.54 | tsdogs | BabelO: great, I'd also work on the theme (I don't like the ones provided) |
| 17:26.04 | tsdogs | yep |
| 17:26.04 | BabelO | tsdogs: good |
| 17:26.19 | tsdogs | I have found why apperance segfaults... |
| 17:26.53 | BabelO | oh, where is it ? |
| 17:27.13 | tsdogs | obviously a bug. can be fixed changing the gpe.conf Apperance Scheme to something that exsists (Qtopia i.e.) |
| 17:27.57 | tsdogs | A non initialized color value, as Opie scheme (the default) does not exsist there |
| 17:28.05 | BabelO | ok |
| 17:28.54 | tsdogs | the bug is in the colorscheme (I have a patch) though there should be another change to be made in the general App..ItemControl::populate |
| 17:29.07 | tsdogs | I'll finish the patch and send it to you. |
| 17:29.35 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: you changed the Makefile to have angstrom as distro and htcuniversal as MACHINES right ? |
| 17:29.53 | goxboxlive | htcuniversal yes, angstrom no |
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| 17:31.24 | goxboxlive | added angstrom in the Makefile now, but still the same. |
| 17:31.24 | tsdogs | Is this error with the defconfig I gave you and OE? |
| 17:31.34 | goxboxlive | tsdogs, no |
| 17:31.44 | tsdogs | it's inside defconfigman ? |
| 17:31.50 | goxboxlive | i build one with your conf file |
| 17:31.59 | tsdogs | ok |
| 17:32.20 | goxboxlive | No, see at the top of the pastebin. It's when doing make xconfig in the linux treee |
| 17:32.47 | tsdogs | why xconfig ??? shoud do a menuconfig... |
| 17:33.18 | goxboxlive | Thas the same. xconfig is X and menuconfig is ncursor |
| 17:34.00 | goxboxlive | just difrent graphical layout |
| 17:34.35 | tsdogs | what command did you give to build one in defconfigman ? |
| 17:35.09 | goxboxlive | make |
| 17:35.11 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs, goxboxlive: I hope you use svn head, right? |
| 17:35.17 | tsdogs | yes |
| 17:35.29 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: yes |
| 17:35.38 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: hold on i'll show you |
| 17:35.44 | BabelO | hi psokolovsky_ :) |
| 17:35.53 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: to build the defconfig commands are: make && make cook right ? |
| 17:36.50 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs: make, yes, it will produce a raw defconfig. tehn you need to "cook" it, but for that you need to have kernel tree around (adn may need to asjust paths) |
| 17:37.18 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: ok I've done it and it works |
| 17:37.45 | tsdogs | complains about some nonexsistens simblols (but they are your troble :) |
| 17:38.00 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: it seems that a fre $ have been replaced by an S (?) |
| 17:38.13 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:38.14 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs: cook will coplain, sure, it's np. |
| 17:38.38 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs: please send it to me then. and well, have you tested it? ;-) |
| 17:39.21 | tsdogs | you can check goxboxlive patebin: http://pastebin.no/1636 (ignore the S1 ones they are my trouble:) |
| 17:40.03 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: I think this is becouse of arch patches maybe |
| 17:41.10 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: found anything ? |
| 17:41.30 | goxboxlive | yes, i dint run make cook |
| 17:41.51 | tsdogs | ok, but check the output... are the S1 still there? |
| 17:41.59 | tsdogs | in make cook I mean |
| 17:42.17 | tsdogs | if not I think this is an xconfig bug |
| 17:43.33 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: I have aonther question: in the Kconfig for universal there is an HTCUNIVERSAL_LCD, but could not either find it in the defconfig nor in the menuconfig. Is this normal? |
| 17:43.40 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs: these warnings are "ok", that's what that "cook" phase is what - to get rid of them ;-) |
| 17:43.49 | tsdogs | :) |
| 17:44.02 | psokolovsky__ | tsdogs: maybe it depends on something |
| 17:45.41 | tsdogs | I have checked the dependencies and they are there (at least the ones in the Kconfig), but LCD was not there (though everything about LCD and touch works with the new kernel ) |
| 17:45.44 | tsdogs | MACH_HTCUNIVERSAL && HTC_ASIC3 && LCD_DEVICE |
| 17:47.19 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Is this like you have it? http://pastebin.no/1637 |
| 17:48.06 | tsdogs | yes normal (those where the simbols I was talking about with psokolovsky ) |
| 17:48.36 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes, but why is doing the same 6 times? |
| 17:48.58 | tsdogs | probably is doing one for each MACHINE ... |
| 17:49.24 | tsdogs | to avoid it put only htcuniversal in MACHINES in Makefile |
| 17:50.48 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: please note you have to do make && make cook every time you modify the configuration. |
| 17:50.53 | Foxdie | back home now |
| 17:51.05 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: ok |
| 17:51.33 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: I noticed that make cook where required |
| 17:51.36 | cr2 | who generates symbols like PXA_IPAQ ? |
| 17:51.40 | cr2 | find . -name Kconfig | xargs grep PXA_IPAQ |
| 17:51.45 | cr2 | shows nothing. |
| 17:52.24 | tsdogs | cr2: it's the configuration taken from defconfigman (which is wrong for kernel .21) |
| 17:52.36 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:52.37 | psokolovsky__ | cr2: that was removed recently |
| 17:53.03 | tsdogs | s/.21/.21-hh2/ |
| 17:54.02 | tsdogs | cr2: I have created a new htcunivsersal defconfig for OE which uses defconfigman |
| 17:54.37 | tsdogs | I have removed some symbols and kept some other (which don't actually comply with angstrom distro standards) |
| 17:54.50 | bd2 | LCD_DEVICE changed to LCD_CLASS_DEVICE afaik |
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| 17:55.40 | tsdogs | could you have a look and see if they are really needed. |
| 17:56.02 | tsdogs | bd2: thx (I didn't notice) then this is also a Kconfig bug |
| 17:57.59 | tsdogs | ok menuconfig fixes this... in defconfig, but does not select the UNIVERSAL_LCD ... |
| 17:58.06 | cr2 | tsdogs: well, nothings prevents one to run an own kernel. |
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| 17:59.56 | tsdogs | following the defconfigman specs should not be the case, unless we do an htcdistro :-/, or at least to be standard OE defconfig |
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| 18:01.49 | tsdogs | cr2: what I meant, was to help me out clean up the "crap" in there and add maybe missing things. |
| 18:02.12 | cr2 | ./drivers/video/backlight/Kconfig: depends on LCD_DEVICE && ARCH_H2200 |
| 18:02.13 | tsdogs | then we can discuss with angstrom to make them standard distro features... |
| 18:02.23 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:03.31 | tsdogs | that's another misconfig I suppose |
| 18:04.19 | BabelO | cr2, psokolovsky_ what is the register name for wifi ? |
| 18:05.10 | cr2 | register name ? |
| 18:06.05 | BabelO | cr2: yes, i m looking for doing this without devmem2 |
| 18:06.12 | cr2 | COR ? |
| 18:06.20 | BabelO | exitg |
| 18:06.27 | BabelO | sorry |
| 18:06.28 | cr2 | there are COR and CSR afair. |
| 18:07.09 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: there is a commented line in my htcuniversal.conf HTCUNIVERSAL_LCD: uncomment it as it's needed by the kernel... |
| 18:07.13 | cr2 | btw, since SDIO is very similar to PCMCIA in operation, i guess we'll manage acx100 also on hermes soon. |
| 18:07.21 | psokolovsky_ | BabelO: as I told, CS does all that stuff behind scenes. we just need to write proper _cs driver. |
| 18:08.12 | BabelO | psokolovsky_ : yes i understand that, want to found correct parameter to set these bit from driver i send you yesturday |
| 18:09.11 | psokolovsky_ | BabelO: ok, so you're working on _cs driver, right? |
| 18:09.21 | tsdogs | cr2: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/htcuniversal.conf and http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/htcuniversal_defconfig |
| 18:09.43 | tsdogs | first one is defconfigman machine configuration and second one is the resulting one. |
| 18:10.05 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: if you want to have a look (it's still messy I know) |
| 18:10.07 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: will look shortly |
| 18:10.24 | tsdogs | ok. got other things to do... :) |
| 18:13.46 | BabelO | psokolovsky_ i want to participate and update acx_cs with a clean code |
| 18:15.16 | BabelO | and i think i found where to put these setting register |
| 18:17.37 | cr2 | BabelO: the "slavemem" driver identified itself as PCI. is it corrected now ? |
| 18:18.30 | BabelO | where do you see that ? |
| 18:19.15 | cr2 | in the logs |
| 18:20.01 | BabelO | ;) i ve to change my settings to get old message, i force 16 bit dialog bus |
| 18:21.22 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.23 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.23 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.23 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:21.23 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:26.50 | tsdogs | BabelO: http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/opieII/opie2-itemcontrol.patch |
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| 18:36.36 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: to say that your .conf is messy is to say nothing ;-I. How did get idea to make it such way? isn't it easy idea to use some other .conf as template? |
| 18:37.43 | tsdogs | psokolovsky: It's work in progress, and yes I'll move that somewhere else ... |
| 18:39.34 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: I'm afraid I'll make it faster then. I suggest you start from scratch, take hx4700.conf as template, and change it. Forget about anything not machine-related. That will can be added later. |
| 18:41.15 | tsdogs | psokolovsky: I was not going to submit this one. I started from the hx4700 and then diffed with the exsisting one to check what was there and added it. |
| 18:42.12 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: and that's wrong way to do it. aim of defconfig is exactly to clean up mess we had in older defconfigs, not bring it in. |
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| 18:42.56 | tsdogs | The groups I made It was for cross checking, and for things I had no idea if to include or not (not really such an expert) the idea was for them to be removed, or moved somwhere else |
| 18:43.36 | tsdogs | But you'r right. I'll work on it. |
| 18:43.38 | psokolovsky_ | ok |
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| 19:12.47 | BabelO | psokolovsky_ : got lotof error on pcmcia |
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| 19:25.15 | BabelO | cr2, psokolovsky_ what about this msg http://pastebin.ca/491597 ? |
| 19:29.27 | psokolovsky_ | BabelO: dunno |
| 19:30.44 | BabelO | psokolovsky_: ok :(i think you are better than me to right proper pcmcia driver |
| 19:33.35 | BabelO | s/right/write/ |
| 19:36.22 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: there? |
| 19:36.29 | tsdogs | here ... |
| 19:37.08 | goxboxlive | Does your opie2 image flicker when Touchscreen is beeing used? |
| 19:37.13 | psokolovsky_ | BabelO: ok. but I have no idea when I'll be able to do that. |
| 19:37.14 | goxboxlive | when you tap on the screen? |
| 19:37.42 | tsdogs | don't think so, but haven't noticed ... |
| 19:37.59 | BabelO | psokolovsky_: not a problem, your tips works |
| 19:38.02 | goxboxlive | ohh you would have noticed it if it did |
| 19:38.20 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: trying ... but I don't think so. |
| 19:38.21 | tsdogs | ok |
| 19:38.26 | goxboxlive | I guess that was a problem with 4.2.0 then, and fixed in 4.2.1 |
| 19:38.27 | tsdogs | then no |
| 19:38.36 | tsdogs | could be. |
| 19:38.49 | tsdogs | My opieII image is still there if you want it |
| 19:39.00 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Waht did you do to add opie2 to qtopie-4.2.1? |
| 19:39.08 | psokolovsky_ | BabelO: my idea would be to make it step by step, starting with simple driver dummy driver which just binds well, and then go further from that. |
| 19:39.16 | goxboxlive | I know, i saw it, but i want to run it with gnokii |
| 19:39.20 | tsdogs | hm? |
| 19:39.24 | tsdogs | I didn't |
| 19:39.54 | tsdogs | I checked out CVS of opie2 and then fixed all the troubles that compilation had (you also I think) |
| 19:40.00 | goxboxlive | ok, so you just builded form the source. I'll try it out with alsa and gnokii |
| 19:40.18 | tsdogs | I removed gnokii ... |
| 19:40.20 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Yes i did, but it refused to launch |
| 19:40.35 | tsdogs | the segfault was from gnokii |
| 19:40.44 | BabelO | psokolovsky_: my driver doesn't set correctly COR and CSR but don't know why |
| 19:40.45 | goxboxlive | so thats why i went back to 4.2.0 wich i allways had running |
| 19:40.52 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: then the starting was 'cause it was indexing the SD carg |
| 19:40.57 | tsdogs | s/carg/card |
| 19:41.06 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Well, I compiled also without gnokii and i had the same problem |
| 19:41.26 | tsdogs | just modify the /opt/Qtopia/etc/Trolltech/default/Storage.conf |
| 19:41.46 | tsdogs | remove all the Document/SQL/etc from the block devices |
| 19:41.50 | goxboxlive | was it realy that simple, good to know |
| 19:42.36 | tsdogs | took me 1 week to find out ... |
| 19:42.36 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 19:42.37 | goxboxlive | Why wasent BabelO affected of it? |
| 19:42.37 | tsdogs | got to eat now, bbl |
| 19:42.45 | goxboxlive | cu |
| 19:43.53 | BabelO | goxboxlive: because first time i start opie i did touch it for a long rime so my card is fully indexed ;) |
| 19:44.39 | goxboxlive | BabelO i c, but why didnt that happend with qtopie-4.2.0? |
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| 19:48.53 | BabelO | goxboxlive: don't know, but if i remember, it is maybe because path set with qtopia 4.2.0 does not exist on our image. and since you use htcphone as device, it use config i set to a right path |
| 19:50.15 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:50.27 | goxboxlive | I rebuild a opie2 image then |
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| 21:04.33 | freshr | cr2: are u here? |
| 21:08.18 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: u here? |
| 21:10.06 | cr2 | freshr: not really. |
| 21:12.49 | tsdogs | BabelO: you tryed my opieII image? |
| 21:13.03 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes it is ok ;) |
| 21:13.19 | BabelO | i m factoring custom.cpp |
| 21:13.19 | tsdogs | alsa and bluetooth work on BA? |
| 21:13.20 | Foxdie | cr2, I'm playing around with some of the universal images, is there any preferred image you'd like installing if you decide to take me up on my offer? |
| 21:13.48 | BabelO | tsdogs: bluetooth yes, alsa don't know |
| 21:13.59 | tsdogs | ok. perfect, so we can try gnokii on UNI too |
| 21:14.11 | cr2 | Foxdie: no. we should better ask goxboxlive or tsdogs. i have not used universal for some time. |
| 21:14.11 | tsdogs | is cvs updated yet? |
| 21:14.23 | Foxdie | okay in that case |
| 21:14.33 | BabelO | no, it is separate now ;) |
| 21:14.40 | BabelO | wait, i compress directory |
| 21:14.46 | Foxdie | tsdogs and goxboxlive : would you like access to a universal with unlimited UTMS data plan for testing? |
| 21:15.15 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: yep |
| 21:15.18 | tsdogs | cr2 Foxdie: I have UMTS around, and can use it for calls, have no Idea about UTMS dialup (it's the office contract) |
| 21:15.18 | Foxdie | access would be via SSH and available between 6pm and 11pm UK time on weekdays |
| 21:16.16 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: I have updated the htcuniversal.conf (cleaned up) |
| 21:16.17 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: nice. same link? |
| 21:16.17 | tsdogs | I have only a few requests which I think are trivial |
| 21:16.17 | tsdogs | yes |
| 21:16.18 | tsdogs | they are: |
| 21:16.19 | tsdogs | USB_USBNET=m |
| 21:16.19 | tsdogs | USB_NET_CDCETHER=m |
| 21:16.19 | tsdogs | EXT3_FS=y |
| 21:16.45 | tsdogs | I know that ext3 should be removed, but all the precooked images where made so. |
| 21:16.56 | tsdogs | I already told goxboxlive we should switch |
| 21:16.58 | Foxdie | tsdogs: you have what sorry? I know UTMS is done on a dial-up style connection (PPP) but you make it sound like there's a different UTMS mode |
| 21:17.03 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: usbnet=m: and how are you going to bott from nfs then? |
| 21:17.18 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: and yes, ext3 for sure should be module |
| 21:17.24 | psokolovsky_ | s/bott/boot |
| 21:17.25 | tsdogs | ok sorry: =y |
| 21:17.58 | tsdogs | but the partition were we have rootfs is on SD and is ext3 |
| 21:18.05 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: ok, thanks. .conf is much better. resulting kernel boots? |
| 21:18.36 | tsdogs | haven't tryed it yet, wanted to sort out this few things with you first. |
| 21:18.53 | tsdogs | ho, could machine.leds be included in angstrom distro? |
| 21:19.13 | tsdogs | also machine.phone is a good candidate I think |
| 21:19.37 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: .phone: yes, sure, should be standard |
| 21:19.45 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: .leds - yes, why not |
| 21:20.09 | tsdogs | ok, so it's ok if I include the USBNET in the usb.host? |
| 21:20.18 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: USB* - I'll have a more detailed look |
| 21:20.23 | tsdogs | I think this is a standard module |
| 21:20.40 | tsdogs | ok |
| 21:20.40 | cr2 | Foxdie: do you have a warranty for you universal ? |
| 21:20.46 | BabelO | tsdogs: on my ftp "trunk/src/applications/gnuphone.tar.bz2" |
| 21:20.49 | Foxdie | I wish :) |
| 21:20.55 | pH5 | tsdogs: I'm not sure, many machines have usbhost for fixed internal chips. |
| 21:20.58 | Foxdie | I bought it on ebay |
| 21:21.03 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: ext3 - well, we can have this as y for some time as compatibility measure, but please rebuild all images as ext2 |
| 21:21.07 | pH5 | magician for example needs usbhost + hci_usb, but has no use for usbnet. |
| 21:21.19 | cr2 | Foxdie: it may overheat. i think that's the only real concern. |
| 21:21.21 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: ok thanks |
| 21:21.27 | Foxdie | why do you ask? was you thinking of testing flash ? |
| 21:21.33 | Foxdie | overheat? what could possibly make it overheat? |
| 21:21.34 | tsdogs | is JFFS going to be included in kernel? |
| 21:21.58 | cr2 | tsdogs: we don't have a mdoc g3 driver. |
| 21:22.04 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: yes, I guess, yes. for devices which need it (i.e. this is machine feature) |
| 21:22.23 | tsdogs | ok |
| 21:22.49 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: ok, so if possible, please prepare your final patches today-tomorrow, I'll review them, have committed, and add defconfig to OE. |
| 21:23.03 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: ok |
| 21:25.19 | tsdogs | Foxdie: (sorry I put you on wait) I'm not expert here either: My universal turns UMTS on by default, and it seems that calls go thrugh it (I changed it to GSM by hand just to be sure) |
| 21:26.32 | tsdogs | BabelO: ftp seems to be empty... |
| 21:27.01 | Foxdie | tsdogs: thats what confused me |
| 21:27.12 | Foxdie | I used to work for tech support for vodafone |
| 21:27.48 | Foxdie | although the phone claims to be in UTMS mode and not GSM, it still uses GSM for voice services ie. phone calls |
| 21:27.50 | tsdogs | ok then probably it's just an indication that says that if I do a dialup i can use UMTS. new thing learned |
| 21:28.30 | Foxdie | UTMS is exclusively data services |
| 21:28.33 | tsdogs | BabelO: ftp is down now? |
| 21:28.46 | tsdogs | Foxdie: ok. thx for clarification. |
| 21:28.53 | Foxdie | no prob |
| 21:28.58 | Foxdie | do you still need a test unit? |
| 21:31.34 | tsdogs | actually I have no idea. as you saw I don't know much about it. I can do debugging on it (like goxboxlive) but cr2/babelo are the ones that know what to do. |
| 21:32.56 | Foxdie | cr2: just got your email (or rather, I just remembered to CHECK my email hehe), feel free to send a ssh key and I'll install it for you |
| 21:33.20 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Thanks for asking, but we allready have one. Give it to BabelO he hasent got a universal and he realy should have one to play with (if he want one) |
| 21:33.56 | Foxdie | oh I'm not offering a physical unit to give to someone, I'm offering remote use of one via ssh for testing things like UTMS because I have a unlimited UTMS data plan |
| 21:34.23 | goxboxlive | ok then :-) |
| 21:34.38 | Foxdie | might as well help how I can |
| 21:34.58 | tsdogs | BabelO: you still around |
| 21:35.16 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes, i send you an email |
| 21:35.19 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: i thought yo had 3 devices, but that was ellisway |
| 21:35.30 | goxboxlive | i mixed you |
| 21:35.37 | Foxdie | hehe |
| 21:35.43 | tsdogs | Foxdie: I think you could do tests with images when they are ready |
| 21:35.43 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 21:35.46 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok |
| 21:36.12 | Foxdie | I'm not much of a programmer but I'm quite adept at linux, I will help however I can |
| 21:36.13 | BabelO | tsdogs: if you have a svg editor look a my icon, i do it at work today during free time |
| 21:36.16 | tsdogs | Foxdie: what I mean is before they get released |
| 21:36.40 | Foxdie | as I said to cr2 earlier, the sooner we can get it into Class A status (full support) the better, windows mobile is a drag |
| 21:36.42 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Try out if UMTS/gprs is working with universal |
| 21:37.01 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok. I'll look at it. mail still hasn't arrived (graylisting) |
| 21:37.21 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: BabelO made a howto for a while ago, wait and i'll see if i can find it. |
| 21:37.37 | Foxdie | sure, which image should I test with? |
| 21:38.07 | tsdogs | BabelO: I'll put you in whitelist :) |
| 21:39.03 | BabelO | tsdogs: i can use another email address |
| 21:40.45 | goxboxlive | FOxdie: doesnt mather, you have to do it fro either a shell or via ssh |
| 21:41.39 | tsdogs | BabelO: got it |
| 21:42.51 | cr2 | BabelO: commit the icon in xanadux CVS. |
| 21:43.03 | tsdogs | BabelO: looks good for a start |
| 21:43.04 | BabelO | cr2: ok |
| 21:44.29 | tsdogs | do we have any graphic expertise on this channel ? (just asking) |
| 21:45.41 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: you saw my chat with psokolovsky ? |
| 21:45.52 | goxboxlive | no |
| 21:46.41 | tsdogs | ok, I refined the htcuniversal.conf removing and cleaning it up |
| 21:47.06 | tsdogs | He sayd we can put EXT3 in there for some time, while we switch to ext2 |
| 21:47.12 | cr2 | tsdogs: i've found out yesterday how to extend the gimp canvas to the layers extent. now i'm a graphics expert :) |
| 21:47.15 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: If you read this log you will get a hint how to make gprs/UMTS working |
| 21:47.38 | Foxdie | which log? |
| 21:47.40 | tsdogs | cr2: perfect :) |
| 21:47.50 | cr2 | tsdogs: good luck with ext2 on a 2G sdcard after reboot. |
| 21:47.58 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: sorry http://irclog.iclem.net/?chan=htc-linux&month=4&day=25 |
| 21:48.06 | Foxdie | um.. I use a 2GB SD card |
| 21:48.19 | goxboxlive | cr2: What will happend? |
| 21:48.24 | Foxdie | mind you, the partition isn't 2GB, it's about 512MB on ext3 |
| 21:48.31 | tsdogs | cr2: are we going to use the whole one for linux partition? |
| 21:48.50 | cr2 | i do. |
| 21:49.41 | tsdogs | is there a more indicated fs type that supports big partitions without journanling (which kills flash cards)? |
| 21:50.32 | cr2 | sd should do wear levelling in hardware. |
| 21:50.39 | cr2 | it's not just raw nand. |
| 21:51.02 | tsdogs | cr2: you are suggesting we keep ext3 ? |
| 21:51.12 | tsdogs | s/?/! |
| 21:51.46 | cr2 | for the development cycle- yes. |
| 21:52.23 | cr2 | if i'll eventually kill a 10€ sd card, so what ;) |
| 21:52.25 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: and how all that stuff relates to having ext3 compiled in? if you want to kill your card, your welcome to - having it as module won't preclude it. |
| 21:53.03 | psokolovsky_ | and even if you ever will boot from ext3, b/l can treat it as ext2 for the purpose of reading kernel off it. |
| 21:53.45 | psokolovsky_ | b/l and initial kernel startup |
| 21:54.08 | cr2 | psokolovsky_: i've only commented on removing ext3 from the kernel. for me it will be a real pita. |
| 21:54.45 | cr2 | and imho, on sd and CF it should not be an issue. |
| 21:55.05 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: current talk about whether to have it builtin (as tsdogs asked for) or having it as module - all this for angstrom (pre)production defconfig |
| 21:55.11 | BabelO | cr2: look at icon at xanadux cvs |
| 21:55.55 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: "imho" is keyword there ;-) |
| 21:56.11 | psokolovsky_ | either way, it is *not* a big issue at all |
| 21:56.19 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: you suggesting we use our own defconfig for development, and the default one for OE, right? |
| 21:56.29 | cr2 | psokolovsky_: ok, i didn't go into details. |
| 21:56.51 | cr2 | i'm doing too many things simulataneously already ;) |
| 21:57.08 | tsdogs | default one = defconfigman |
| 21:57.38 | cr2 | yes, i can imagine that shitty SD and CF cards just use nand "as is". |
| 21:57.43 | psokolovsky_ | tsdogs: the current proposal have been: have <machine>_static_defconfig in CVS, generated with defconfigman. also, have generated (but with other settings) in OE. |
| 21:57.58 | psokolovsky_ | of course, you can use whatever else you want, |
| 21:58.22 | tsdogs | psokolovsky_: ok, I missed that. |
| 21:58.37 | psokolovsky_ | though the whole idea that people will start *use and test* these standard configs, and great job will descend on all the ports |
| 21:59.26 | cr2 | psokolovsky_: afair we had ext2-only some time ago, but the fsck on each reboot was a real pita. |
| 22:00.13 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: idea here is that public distro should use "safe" settings by default, and even sway away users from using "unsafe". as ext3 considered harmful for flash, angstrom should not use it by default. |
| 22:00.58 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: well, this needs more consideration, RFC, etc ;-) |
| 22:01.24 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: in CVS _static_defc* we for sure can have it compiled in (at the expense of 50k bigger zImages ;-I) |
| 22:03.19 | cr2 | psokolovsky_: i agree with yout reasoning, maybe i should read the angstrom docs sometime. |
| 22:03.51 | cr2 | i must admit that i don't _really_ understand what is angstrom :) |
| 22:04.53 | psokolovsky_ | cr2: and maybe write ;-) because there's little docs actually, and everyone welcome to propose how things should be. given enough reasons for that, nothing would preclude changes and extensions. |
| 22:05.58 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:07.17 | BabelO | cr2: do you like really white icon from wince ? |
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| 22:10.06 | tsdogs | BabelO: I don't really |
| 22:10.21 | cr2 | BabelO: i like the staircase. it's not really coming from wince. |
| 22:10.46 | ellisway | hi all |
| 22:10.55 | tsdogs | ellisway: hi |
| 22:11.10 | BabelO | cr2: yes same for staircase |
| 22:11.12 | cr2 | BabelO: and for the battery, i like garmin's icon. |
| 22:11.15 | BabelO | hi ellisway |
| 22:11.35 | BabelO | cr2: do you have a sample of garmin's icon ? |
| 22:11.42 | cr2 | hm. looking. |
| 22:11.46 | ellisway | just been reading through the logs well done BabelO + psokolovsky_ with the acx100 on pcmcia :) |
| 22:13.36 | BabelO | ellisway: which device do you have ? (it is psokolovsky_ that found the tips |
| 22:13.50 | cr2 | https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/images/products/010-00468-00/en/sc-01-lg.jpg |
| 22:14.02 | cr2 | not really perfect looking, though. |
| 22:15.04 | BabelO | tsdogs: qtopia wifi search works ;), but i see two more network with no name |
| 22:15.30 | ellisway | i have access to 4 universals a himalaya a wizard and 2 hermes |
| 22:15.42 | BabelO | cr2: ok i see |
| 22:15.59 | tsdogs | BabelO: have you tryed with iwlist? |
| 22:16.00 | BabelO | ellisway: you want to create a cluster of universal ? ;) |
| 22:16.09 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes iwlist works |
| 22:16.10 | ellisway | not all mine |
| 22:16.19 | cr2 | BabelO: the 3D fix icon is also not bad. |
| 22:16.20 | BabelO | and same two no name network |
| 22:16.43 | BabelO | cr2: yes replacing 3D with 3G |
| 22:16.44 | tsdogs | hmm, buggy acx ? |
| 22:16.45 | ellisway | if all the uniersals were mine i`d make a cluster |
| 22:16.56 | tsdogs | I'll test mine |
| 22:17.11 | ellisway | i`ve even ried bonding the umts of2 of the uniersals together |
| 22:17.32 | ellisway | but tmobile didn`t allow multilink |
| 22:17.36 | cr2 | BabelO: actually i'd really like to port some qt3 gps gui code to qt4. we can make a difference here. |
| 22:17.42 | cr2 | ellisway: cool. |
| 22:17.44 | BabelO | ellisway: nice |
| 22:18.02 | ellisway | it did dial tough |
| 22:18.24 | ellisway | just the provider that stoped me bonding the umts modems together |
| 22:18.36 | BabelO | cr2: did you look at qtopia porting, there is basic change written |
| 22:19.08 | ellisway | but seeing as i help work for a small uk isp were currently looking into the possibility of setting up our own 3g gateways |
| 22:19.30 | cr2 | BabelO: there were some problems, i#ve already tried. |
| 22:19.33 | cr2 | https://buy.garmin.com/shop/store/assets/pdfs/specs/gpsmap76cx_76csx_spec.pdf |
| 22:19.37 | Foxdie | ellisway; t-mobile in which country? |
| 22:19.41 | cr2 | this may be a better picture source. |
| 22:19.43 | Foxdie | I'm on t-mobile in the UK |
| 22:19.47 | ellisway | uk |
| 22:20.08 | ellisway | same |
| 22:20.15 | Foxdie | cr2: sorry, I'm trying to understand what you're talking about, are you looking into GPS support for universal? |
| 22:20.29 | Foxdie | I have a bluetooth GPS receiver if you want to make use of that too |
| 22:20.55 | BabelO | cr2: ok take it |
| 22:21.02 | Foxdie | ellisway: where abouts are you? :) |
| 22:21.14 | ellisway | london |
| 22:21.17 | cr2 | Foxdie: a real route planner for universal. |
| 22:21.21 | Foxdie | ahh, birmingham here |
| 22:22.26 | Foxdie | hm... trying to install Angstrom... trying to bunzip2 I get error "Compressed file ends unexpectedly".. I have tried downloading twice |
| 22:23.21 | BabelO | cr2: where did you get qgps source ? |
| 22:23.35 | Foxdie | cr2: I hope so, I use TomTom 5 on it right now, if there was something similar for linux that'd be sweet |
| 22:24.08 | cr2 | BabelO: not the qpegps, but it can be nice too. |
| 22:24.14 | cr2 | the roadmap. |
| 22:25.09 | cr2 | Foxdie: the problem are the good vector maps, not the program itself. |
| 22:25.28 | Foxdie | as in 2D acceleration |
| 22:25.32 | Foxdie | +? |
| 22:25.47 | cr2 | BabelO: http://roadmap.cvs.sourceforge.net/roadmap/roadmap/src/qt/ |
| 22:26.37 | cr2 | i've got problems even in the file selector ;) |
| 22:27.27 | BabelO | cr2: ok |
| 22:27.49 | cr2 | BabelO: the code is actually trivial for somebody with qt4 experience. |
| 22:27.59 | cr2 | which i don't have :) |
| 22:29.43 | tsdogs | cr2: I've not much experience, but there is documentation, and qt4 seems to be not that complicated (I think) |
| 22:29.49 | tsdogs | I could give it a try. |
| 22:29.56 | BabelO | cr2: checking out directory, i need to do the same for konqueror |
| 22:30.06 | tsdogs | if BabelO doesn't want to try... |
| 22:30.35 | cr2 | tsdogs: the Q[HV]Layout is not there, and there are some other minor annoyances. |
| 22:31.09 | tsdogs | cr2: ok |
| 22:31.33 | cr2 | if you'll make it compile in a month, we can submit it to a contest :) |
| 22:32.14 | tsdogs | I'll try. |
| 22:32.14 | cr2 | if we will not win, i don't know who will win ;) |
| 22:32.15 | tsdogs | are there any maps, to use |
| 22:32.19 | tsdogs | for testing? |
| 22:32.40 | cr2 | i know how to produce a really complex highquality map. |
| 22:32.44 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:32.55 | tsdogs | great :) |
| 22:33.29 | cr2 | i have already compiled it for wince. using haret makefile ;) |
| 22:33.46 | cr2 | so it's a shame not to have it on qtopia :) |
| 22:34.05 | tsdogs | I'll be trying in the next few days and let you know. |
| 22:34.08 | cr2 | and it really works. |
| 22:35.02 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:35.09 | cr2 | imho, it's something "real" people are interested in. |
| 22:35.10 | cr2 | not some new text editor ;) |
| 22:35.30 | tsdogs | :) I'm one of them. |
| 22:35.56 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:36.42 | Foxdie | lol |
| 22:36.46 | Foxdie | real people hmm? |
| 22:37.15 | BabelO | goxboxlive: did you see that florian made a gpephone image for universal ? |
| 22:37.19 | Foxdie | well it'd be a great selling point for the project |
| 22:37.45 | BabelO | goxboxlive: only UI is working, phone part |
| 22:37.48 | goxboxlive | BabelO Yes i saw, it's not good he says |
| 22:37.50 | BabelO | does not |
| 22:37.59 | goxboxlive | i know |
| 22:38.02 | goxboxlive | I need help |
| 22:38.26 | goxboxlive | i am compiling helix but it cant find asoundlib.h |
| 22:38.46 | cr2 | Foxdie: and since the map is also free software, you can edit it in realtime. |
| 22:38.47 | tsdogs | it's from alsa |
| 22:38.56 | goxboxlive | evene though i have the headers in both /usr/local/arm and in the alsalibs |
| 22:39.03 | goxboxlive | alsa sources i meant |
| 22:39.07 | cr2 | tell that to tomtom, and they will pull their hair out :) |
| 22:39.26 | Foxdie | that would be very useful actually |
| 22:39.26 | tsdogs | :D |
| 22:39.26 | *** join/#htc-linux Incom (n=incom@194.97.120.142) |
| 22:39.38 | Incom | hi all |
| 22:39.43 | Foxdie | there's a new bypass just opened up near me and not even the next version up (version 6) of tomtom has it |
| 22:40.35 | cr2 | Foxdie: have you seen openstreetmap ? it's not quite there, but going in the right direction. |
| 22:40.39 | Foxdie | one feature I would miss though is some other windows mobile software that uses ordinance survey maps, great for when I go offroading in my jeep, but if there was an equivelant for linux that'd rock |
| 22:40.55 | Foxdie | I admittedly haven't looked at any linux based sat nav software yet |
| 22:41.14 | cr2 | do you have OS maps in vector form ? |
| 22:41.27 | Incom | im trying to get xanadux on my t-mobile mda compact (magician), but i've got a few problems: at first: is there still a hard reset needed to switch back to windows mobile? |
| 22:41.44 | Foxdie | I honestly don't know what form they come in, they could be vector, let me check |
| 22:42.15 | cr2 | Foxdie: the UK in openstreetmap looks really good. |
| 22:43.28 | cr2 | but not for route planning yet. |
| 22:44.05 | Foxdie | memory maps ordinance survey maps have a proprietry format thats image based, not vector based |
| 22:44.05 | Foxdie | poop. |
| 22:44.06 | cr2 | Foxdie: image-based is useless. |
| 22:44.22 | Foxdie | of course, they do it on purpose |
| 22:44.35 | Foxdie | "You must buy our software and use our format, we won't share our data" |
| 22:44.41 | cr2 | you'll be better served with old maps, like those on npemaps. |
| 22:44.50 | cr2 | of course they will not share ;) |
| 22:44.54 | Foxdie | I'll get served? |
| 22:45.00 | Foxdie | well shit, now I gotta dance |
| 22:45.20 | Foxdie | (sorry, wierd sense of humour hehe) |
| 22:45.23 | Incom | can anyone help me? just a few words please ;-) |
| 22:45.39 | Foxdie | Incom: nope |
| 22:45.43 | cr2 | Incom: only pH5 has magician |
| 22:45.46 | Foxdie | you can reboot in console |
| 22:45.57 | Foxdie | well, you should be able to |
| 22:45.59 | cr2 | and he has done the development. |
| 22:46.02 | Foxdie | shutdown -h now in console |
| 22:46.05 | Foxdie | er |
| 22:46.06 | Foxdie | no |
| 22:46.09 | Foxdie | shutdown -r now |
| 22:46.09 | Foxdie | *slaps head* |
| 22:46.18 | Foxdie | I'm a bad fox x.x |
| 22:46.38 | cr2 | Incom: wince2003(se) needs a hard reset on linux reboot. |
| 22:47.07 | Incom | cr2: thanks |
| 22:47.20 | Incom | this makes the thing a bit more diffciult :( |
| 22:47.38 | cr2 | yes, it's painful. |
| 22:47.44 | cr2 | Foxdie: http://www.npemap.org.uk |
| 22:48.00 | Foxdie | thankyou :) |
| 22:48.29 | cr2 | but they could have done a better job ;) |
| 22:49.06 | cr2 | merging tiles with gimp is not smart when you have the map grid already there ;) |
| 22:49.59 | cr2 | so the misalignments are easy to explain. |
| 22:52.03 | tsdogs | BabelO: still around ? |
| 22:53.33 | BabelO | tsdogs: yes |
| 22:53.39 | tsdogs | How did you enable wifi applet ? |
| 22:54.12 | BabelO | tsdogs: i only play with internet settings |
| 22:54.23 | tsdogs | ok, testing |
| 22:54.25 | BabelO | but i think it is buggy |
| 22:54.57 | cr2 | another good qt4 app i know is http://qlandkarte.sourceforge.net |
| 22:55.19 | cr2 | but it may be useless on the pda screen. |
| 22:55.23 | BabelO | is it mario karte ;) |
| 22:55.27 | BabelO | ah no ;) |
| 22:57.17 | cr2 | OSM is back to life http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html |
| 22:57.48 | BabelO | cr2: does all these software have possibility to run with a differential gps ? |
| 23:00.37 | Foxdie | off to bed now, goxboxlive / tsdogs / BabelO if you need me to test something on my universal for you during the daytime I can do whilst i'm at work, you can either just say "foxdie" to page me or email me at foxdie at blueyonder dot co dot uk |
| 23:00.41 | Foxdie | same for you cr2 |
| 23:00.44 | Foxdie | good luck guys |
| 23:01.24 | cr2 | BabelO: it reads NMEA, so it's not an issue. |
| 23:01.30 | cr2 | Foxdie: good night. |
| 23:01.41 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: did had any luck with gprs? |
| 23:01.53 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 23:02.16 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you have ttyUSB0 ? |
| 23:02.47 | goxboxlive | cr2: yes, but not at boot |
| 23:02.56 | tsdogs | Foxdie: night |
| 23:03.11 | Foxdie | I haven't tried yet, had trouble installing on SD card (I think bad flash) but I just got it working, I will try first thing tomorrow and report here |
| 23:03.15 | cr2 | ok, but where is your pppd failing ? |
| 23:03.16 | tsdogs | BabelO: mine does not even find a network (I have 2 with WPA) |
| 23:03.42 | cr2 | tsdogs: WPA does not work for acx100 afaik. |
| 23:03.50 | Foxdie | but reading through that log, 660ms latency is quite high for GPRS |
| 23:03.51 | cr2 | wep or nothing. |
| 23:04.03 | tsdogs | ok, but iwlist detects them. |
| 23:04.05 | Foxdie | it should be about 250~ MS |
| 23:04.14 | goxboxlive | cr2: I dont remember. I can see that something did failed, i just didnt get ppo0 |
| 23:04.22 | Foxdie | cr2: shame, WEP is so easily crackable these days |
| 23:04.25 | goxboxlive | But that might be wrong username and suc |
| 23:04.28 | cr2 | LOL |
| 23:04.28 | goxboxlive | h |
| 23:04.53 | cr2 | WPA is not a solution to this problem too. |
| 23:04.55 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: do you know cracking AP's? |
| 23:05.17 | Foxdie | only from what I read on the net |
| 23:05.18 | BabelO | Foxdie: good night |
| 23:05.30 | BabelO | tsdogs: mine are wep accesspoint |
| 23:05.35 | Foxdie | crack WEP key from ARP injection within 120 seconds with 95% success rate |
| 23:05.40 | goxboxlive | I am not using any protection besides mac filtering |
| 23:05.44 | cr2 | Foxdie: you run VPN if you really care about security. |
| 23:05.44 | BabelO | one for phone and other for tv and internet |
| 23:05.52 | Foxdie | cr2: or ssh tunnels ;) |
| 23:06.11 | Foxdie | problem is, both my home wifi router and my work wifi router both use WPA-PSK |
| 23:06.16 | Foxdie | Universal hates it |
| 23:06.42 | Foxdie | I am running windows mobile 6 on it, I have to connect to an unsecured wireless network and then hop over to WPA-PSK network just to successfully connect |
| 23:06.46 | Foxdie | but once it's connected it's fine |
| 23:06.50 | Foxdie | it's still a bitch though |
| 23:06.54 | cr2 | ;) |
| 23:07.28 | tsdogs | BabelO: ok, I cannot change access point config now, I'll try get a new one and see. Btw does it work at 11Mbit now? goxboxlive: told me it was working ... |
| 23:07.38 | Foxdie | damn I really want to stay and talk (the geek within) but I really do have to go to bed, have fun :) |
| 23:08.06 | tsdogs | I have WPA-PSK, but no prob connecting with Universal ... |
| 23:08.08 | Foxdie | goxboxlive: I feel confident to try everything in this log, I've read most, I will try tomorrow first thing and leave messages here |
| 23:08.20 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: Sometimes it works on 11 sometimes not. so it's still unstable. |
| 23:08.29 | Foxdie | reminds me of the fun I used to have trying to get GPRS over bluetooth working with Sharp Zaurus and Nokia 6310i :) |
| 23:08.35 | BabelO | tsdogs: on ba i can download a 11Mo file but rate displayed on iwconfig say 1M |
| 23:09.11 | BabelO | and i va strange message about acx chipset too hot like 6 month ago on universal |
| 23:10.23 | tsdogs | ok |
| 23:11.20 | tsdogs | I'll first sort out the defconfigman, and issue about usbnet not initialized at boot (?) then check opieII and roadmap. |
| 23:12.11 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: btw how do you install new OE generated kernel modules on SD to test them? you use the source with make modules_install |
| 23:12.13 | tsdogs | ? |
| 23:12.30 | cr2 | good night. |
| 23:12.41 | tsdogs | good night |
| 23:12.48 | BabelO | good night |
| 23:13.06 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: yes |
| 23:13.26 | tsdogs | ok, thoguth there was a better way... |
| 23:13.30 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 23:14.20 | goxboxlive | opie2 is realy failing a lot when building. There is realy alot to add when it comes to headers and such. Why is it that way. |
| 23:15.01 | tsdogs | once you have sorted all out, it builds smoothly... |
| 23:15.06 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:15.30 | goxboxlive | yes i have noticed, but when you start with a fresh one it realy is a pain in the ass |
| 23:15.36 | tsdogs | I think becaouse we don't have a rootfs with all the development headers in there... |
| 23:15.58 | goxboxlive | How do we add a rootfs, is it a lot of work? |
| 23:16.21 | tsdogs | you have to install the dev ipkgs to it, I think. |
| 23:16.31 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 23:16.39 | tsdogs | then make the -I and -L point to the rootfs include and lib |
| 23:16.55 | goxboxlive | i think i am over the worst now. Seems like Helix is finished and also mediaplayer |
| 23:16.58 | tsdogs | this way it should find everything it needs |
| 23:17.22 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: is sound working for you on universal? |
| 23:17.39 | goxboxlive | opie2? |
| 23:17.52 | tsdogs | yes |
| 23:18.10 | goxboxlive | I dont know havent tested it. But in opie, gpe nd so it works |
| 23:18.36 | tsdogs | well, actually I also builded opie-mediaplayer2 for testing, but wasn't able to play anything. Only touchscreen sounds worked... |
| 23:18.47 | goxboxlive | I am compiling opie2 with alsa now, so i will test it. DOes it work for BabelO? |
| 23:19.15 | BabelO | goxboxlive: does not work, always take oss |
| 23:19.42 | goxboxlive | BabelO But you are compiling it with alsa? |
| 23:20.10 | BabelO | yes,i take tsdogs image |
| 23:20.17 | tsdogs | I also have alsa. |
| 23:20.17 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 23:20.42 | goxboxlive | right, but no sound, then i guess mine wouldnt work either |
| 23:20.52 | tsdogs | yep. |
| 23:21.12 | tsdogs | well. another task would be keyboard not to be scrued up. |
| 23:21.22 | goxboxlive | hmm failed once again |
| 23:21.40 | tsdogs | I have to hard reset otherwise it won't even work in wince :( |
| 23:22.05 | goxboxlive | ahh the wireless.h stuff you told me about tsdogs. Now what was that again |
| 23:22.22 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:24.24 | tsdogs | I have no idea what that is, as all the right headers are included in the source |
| 23:24.24 | goxboxlive | found it |
| 23:24.24 | tsdogs | goxboxlive: if you want you can apply my patch that fixex appearence |
| 23:24.25 | tsdogs | you can find it at http://84.18.144.44/tsdogs/opieII/ |
| 23:24.25 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 23:24.25 | tsdogs | welcome |
| 23:24.25 | tsdogs | no need to reconfigure... |
| 23:24.25 | tsdogs | :) |
| 23:27.05 | goxboxlive | yes that sorted it out. It was the stuff includes in wireless.h in my crosscompiler |
| 23:27.07 | goxboxlive | #include <linux/if.h> |
| 23:27.07 | goxboxlive | #ifndef _LINUX_WIRELESS_H |
| 23:27.07 | goxboxlive | #define _LINUX_WIRELESS_H |
| 23:27.07 | goxboxlive | #include <linux/types.h> |
| 23:28.18 | tsdogs | ok |
| 23:32.10 | goxboxlive | tsdogs: What is the patch doing? |
| 23:32.37 | tsdogs | fixing a segfault in appearence app |
| 23:32.56 | tsdogs | also can be fixed setting Scheme=Qtopia in qpe.conf |
| 23:33.05 | tsdogs | but as it was a bug I fixed it also |
| 23:33.43 | tsdogs | it works with default opie config file now |
| 23:33.50 | tsdogs | not much :) |
| 23:36.02 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 23:36.35 | goxboxlive | ha it finished, now i aply your patch and rebuild what needs to be rebuild. |
| 23:39.22 | tsdogs | cd src/settings/apearence; make |
| 23:39.24 | goxboxlive | done |
| 23:40.20 | tsdogs | ok now good luck. |
| 23:40.21 | tsdogs | remember to remove the Storage.conf default definition... |
| 23:40.21 | goxboxlive | well it's getting late. Testing it tomorrow :-) |
| 23:40.21 | goxboxlive | Good night |
