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| 17:29.53 | cr2 | goxboxlive: hi |
| 17:30.04 | goxboxlive | alho sir |
| 17:30.33 | goxboxlive | well, what you have you been doing. You have been gone for a while now |
| 17:32.17 | cr2 | for the first week of march i was in finnland |
| 17:32.29 | goxboxlive | cold? |
| 17:32.37 | cr2 | it seems i have found the problem with hermes. |
| 17:32.41 | cr2 | cold is now ;) |
| 17:32.58 | cr2 | but it was snowing there. but only one day. |
| 17:33.01 | goxboxlive | ok, what was the problem |
| 17:33.05 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 17:33.12 | goxboxlive | the snow is gone here now |
| 17:33.49 | cr2 | never been in Oslo. |
| 17:34.05 | goxboxlive | What was the problem with hermes? |
| 17:34.09 | goxboxlive | does it boot? |
| 17:34.17 | cr2 | it does not boot for a very long time. |
| 17:34.36 | cr2 | it crashes very early. |
| 17:34.55 | goxboxlive | yes i know that, but are you abel to start X now? |
| 17:35.08 | cr2 | i've learned a lot about athena now. |
| 17:35.15 | cr2 | the kernel crashes :( |
| 17:35.25 | cr2 | X is out of question now. |
| 17:35.43 | cr2 | you don't reach even the linux_banner print. |
| 17:35.51 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:35.54 | cr2 | only Uncompressing Linux............. |
| 17:36.01 | goxboxlive | right |
| 17:36.06 | goxboxlive | What about athena? |
| 17:36.28 | goxboxlive | Is there someone who has it yet? |
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| 17:36.34 | cr2 | by studying athena i learned about hermes. |
| 17:36.45 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:36.52 | cr2 | EyeOftheStorm wants to buy one. |
| 17:36.55 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:37.06 | goxboxlive | is it released in germany now? |
| 17:37.16 | cr2 | yes, by T-MOB. |
| 17:37.24 | cr2 | Ameo. |
| 17:37.31 | goxboxlive | ok, whats the price? |
| 17:37.48 | cr2 | not much, but with some weird contract. |
| 17:38.12 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:38.26 | cr2 | i'll look. |
| 17:39.16 | goxboxlive | I think we should update universal soon cr2. Psokolovsky asked us to do it, to follow the current if you know what i mean. |
| 17:39.52 | goxboxlive | The IPAQ devices has updated some drivers and if we can use it we also should do the same |
| 17:40.52 | cr2 | yes, i know. but it's not wifi. |
| 17:41.15 | goxboxlive | One of the weeks you where gone they updated some drivers wich broke universal kernel compilation. |
| 17:41.26 | cr2 | 460€ + relax100. |
| 17:41.28 | cr2 | really ? |
| 17:41.45 | cr2 | i was compiling only hermes. |
| 17:41.46 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:41.56 | cr2 | i'll check. |
| 17:42.19 | goxboxlive | i figured out what causes it so i took a look at the latest changes in HX4700 and did the same to my driver and it compiled. |
| 17:42.28 | goxboxlive | psokolovsky commited the changes for me |
| 17:42.36 | cr2 | ah. 900€ without the contract. |
| 17:42.58 | goxboxlive | ~change 900 euro to NOK |
| 17:43.34 | goxboxlive | thats about 150€ cheaper than up here :-) |
| 17:43.38 | cr2 | 570€ + basic . how much is basic... |
| 17:47.15 | cr2 | 9.95€/month |
| 17:47.43 | cr2 | 808€ |
| 17:48.08 | cr2 | take the sim card and don't use it. |
| 17:48.43 | cr2 | but it's locked to t-mob i can imagine. |
| 17:48.48 | goxboxlive | it's to expensive |
| 17:50.39 | cr2 | for such pda ? yes. |
| 17:50.40 | goxboxlive | I am not buying a new HTC device before i have linux running completely on mu Universal :-) |
| 17:50.40 | cr2 | universal is still the best option for linux. |
| 17:50.40 | goxboxlive | I want Openmoko on it |
| 17:50.40 | goxboxlive | or Opie2 |
| 17:50.41 | cr2 | i need to write the ak4641 asoc driver. |
| 17:50.55 | goxboxlive | Wasent there another guy who could do that for us? |
| 17:51.05 | cr2 | i doubt it. |
| 17:51.16 | goxboxlive | so you can consentrate on the other stuff |
| 17:51.24 | goxboxlive | like cam and such |
| 17:52.02 | cr2 | i've researched the athena, and can say that the universal is the best. for linux. |
| 17:52.09 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:52.15 | goxboxlive | good to know |
| 17:52.17 | cr2 | yes. so we can adapt the cam drivers. |
| 17:52.30 | cr2 | athena has some tough stuff. |
| 17:52.41 | goxboxlive | what stuff? |
| 17:52.58 | cr2 | the sound and miniSD are on the ATI video asic. |
| 17:53.07 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:53.12 | cr2 | completely undocumented. and the CAM. |
| 17:53.22 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 17:53.25 | cr2 | look the BA CAM progress ;) |
| 17:53.30 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 17:53.44 | goxboxlive | There is one thing i dont understand |
| 17:53.51 | goxboxlive | its about the A780 |
| 17:53.54 | cr2 | so it is a lot of work really to support it. |
| 17:54.04 | goxboxlive | hasent Motorola released the source for2.4 |
| 17:54.08 | cr2 | on universal we know everything. |
| 17:54.22 | goxboxlive | why is openezx working on 2.6 when they have all the sources |
| 17:54.25 | cr2 | yes, it released. e680.sf.net |
| 17:54.50 | goxboxlive | why is it so dificult to port to 2.6 from 2.4? |
| 17:54.51 | cr2 | the source is ugly. and it's only the kernel source. |
| 17:55.18 | goxboxlive | not kernel drivers like cam, gps phone and such? |
| 17:55.32 | cr2 | the kernel is ported, but the phone communication is difficult. |
| 17:55.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:55.52 | cr2 | cam is the same as on the universal (1.4mpix ov9650) |
| 17:56.00 | goxboxlive | i know |
| 17:56.05 | cr2 | gps is connected to the phone. |
| 17:56.13 | goxboxlive | right |
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| 17:56.38 | cr2 | i'm a bit unsure how it is done on the athena. will need a real device haret trace to check. |
| 17:56.49 | goxboxlive | right |
| 17:57.31 | cr2 | athena has 8GB hdd |
| 17:57.37 | goxboxlive | i know :-) |
| 17:58.01 | cr2 | if it's the usb drive (my guess), then miniSD is not needed. |
| 17:58.20 | cr2 | cam is not really needed :) |
| 17:58.33 | cr2 | so the main problem with athena is the sound. |
| 17:58.45 | cr2 | the phone is the same as on hermes. |
| 17:59.26 | cr2 | athena has the USB2.0 chipset from philips inside. |
| 17:59.56 | cr2 | i've even found a hacked driver for it. |
| 18:00.25 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=AthenaResearch |
| 18:01.18 | cr2 | TV out is controlled over i2c, so there is some dedicated chip. |
| 18:01.41 | cr2 | i guess nobody will open his 1000€ device to make the pictures soon... |
| 18:02.09 | cr2 | but a lot can be done with haret just by tracing i2c. |
| 18:02.37 | cr2 | pxa270 is much more hacker-friendly than s3c2442 as we know. |
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| 18:15.17 | cr2 | goxboxlive: why is everybody so happy with 2.6.16 wifi ? maybe we can try to compile such module ? |
| 18:15.42 | goxboxlive | I dont know, but i have noticed it before |
| 18:16.00 | goxboxlive | It was motre stable at 16 than after |
| 18:18.35 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:18.44 | cr2 | need some food. |
| 18:25.39 | goxboxlive | bon apaptit |
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| 19:42.32 | cr2 | i'm back. doing ati video debug. |
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| 20:26.01 | rob_w | hey long time now speak |
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| 20:30.40 | cr2 | hi rob_w |
| 20:30.59 | rob_w | are u winning against ati , cr2 |
| 20:32.06 | cr2 | it is partly similar to the old ati like on ba. |
| 20:32.28 | cr2 | i'm working on the register list. |
| 20:32.40 | rob_w | nice |
| 20:32.48 | rob_w | universal ? |
| 20:33.16 | cr2 | no ;) hermes and athena |
| 20:33.23 | cr2 | and trinity. |
| 20:33.50 | rob_w | i was lucky enough to the neo already ;-O |
| 20:34.55 | rob_w | do you have all 3 ? |
| 20:35.12 | cr2 | athena has hsdpa, sirf3, 54mbit wifi, and mpeg4 accel. |
| 20:35.18 | cr2 | no of them :) |
| 20:35.21 | cr2 | oh. |
| 20:35.24 | cr2 | hermes |
| 20:35.41 | cr2 | but it's not my own. |
| 20:36.00 | rob_w | yummy |
| 20:36.37 | cr2 | universal is still the best "open" phone. |
| 20:37.11 | cr2 | it's the only where we will support all the hardware RSN. |
| 20:37.58 | rob_w | yeah |
| 20:38.01 | rob_w | thats great |
| 20:38.12 | rob_w | its a real task to keep track with htc |
| 20:39.14 | rob_w | what are the antenna nick names ? |
| 20:39.19 | cr2 | not really. we avoid omap, and the rest they do in a pretty standard way. and we have the experience now. i wish blueangel came out right now ;) |
| 20:39.30 | rob_w | athena so to speak |
| 20:39.43 | cr2 | t-mob ameo |
| 20:39.48 | cr2 | dopod u1000 |
| 20:39.54 | rob_w | blueangel was a push |
| 20:40.31 | cr2 | unfortunately cp15 gave up too early ;-) |
| 20:41.19 | cr2 | we need wifi on ba |
| 20:41.39 | cr2 | pxa pcmcia acx100 still does not work. |
| 20:41.50 | rob_w | he was way ahead , too much in same ways, that he felt lonely |
| 20:42.03 | rob_w | i had to ged rid of the ba for now |
| 20:42.44 | rob_w | cr2, but i was reported to work for some users |
| 20:42.47 | cr2 | where ? |
| 20:42.51 | rob_w | its all in that mystic access area |
| 20:43.04 | rob_w | hmm who was it |
| 20:43.43 | rob_w | the last i was failing on was the get to find the correct memory area to load the firmware to |
| 20:44.15 | rob_w | athena looks a bit bulky , nothing compared to a ba smoothness |
| 20:44.18 | cr2 | i think it was solved. |
| 20:44.38 | cr2 | the fw loaded, the cpu was ok, but it did not send anything, |
| 20:44.46 | rob_w | oh |
| 20:45.50 | rob_w | well as you said soon even the ba will be history and all moves on |
| 20:46.38 | cr2 | ba is too good to drop it. |
| 20:46.43 | rob_w | one of cp15 last words was, " ..what after the device is out for over 4 month we didnt finish the porting, well it doesnt make sense |
| 20:47.40 | rob_w | i really wanna follow the openmoko ui thoughts and see if we managed to make the ui`s a winner |
| 20:47.46 | cr2 | he was wrong. |
| 20:47.54 | cr2 | is proved to be wrong. |
| 20:47.59 | rob_w | then our chances of groth will be wrong |
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| 20:48.16 | cr2 | compare ba and neo on the hw side. |
| 20:48.30 | rob_w | s/wrong/big |
| 20:48.31 | cr2 | vga lcd is not an issue. |
| 20:49.07 | rob_w | neo is a strange casing philosophy .. it feels like rubber plastic |
| 20:49.17 | rob_w | almost cotton or such |
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| 20:49.45 | cr2 | well, athena got out 2 weeks ago, and even without a device i've done a lot. |
| 20:49.53 | rob_w | hehe |
| 20:50.08 | rob_w | and they dont pay you for that .. wow |
| 20:50.21 | rob_w | what is your actual job in real live btw ? |
| 20:50.56 | cr2 | scientist in the university. |
| 20:51.18 | cr2 | lots of free time and little money :) |
| 20:51.35 | rob_w | yeah the money keeps driving these months quite hard .. |
| 20:51.53 | rob_w | i am really in run for it all the time.. crap |
| 20:52.00 | Whacko | my MDA Compact is acting wierd the last few days. Bluetooth keeps turning on all by itself :p and hangs when trying to access BT settings. and sometimes doesnt respons to the powerbutton :p |
| 20:52.39 | rob_w | Whacko, its not a bug , its a feature :-) |
| 20:52.44 | Whacko | yeah :P |
| 20:54.23 | rob_w | feels like bad device managment in total |
| 20:56.22 | rob_w | brb |
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| 21:05.07 | cr2 | not bad for today. |
| 21:05.10 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ATIWxxxx |
| 21:21.11 | rob_w | cr2, is that writting from the specs ? |
| 21:29.33 | cr2 | mm* values are from the zaurus w100 driver, the rest is RE. |
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| 23:35.46 | Kevin2 | cr2: Still around? What was the problem with Hermes? |
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| 23:48.34 | cr2 | Kevin2: are you here ? |
| 23:51.08 | cr2 | ~ping Kevin2 |
| 23:51.10 | apt | pong Kevin2 |
| 23:51.38 | Kevin2 | Yes |
| 23:54.03 | Kevin2 | ~ping cr2 |
| 23:54.05 | apt | pong cr2 |
| 23:54.22 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:55.01 | cr2 | one small question. can we detect the real ATI SRAM size in an "empirical" way ? |
| 23:55.31 | cr2 | by writing 0xaa55++ and reading it back from FB ? |
| 23:55.34 | Kevin2 | Not sure what you mean. I guess we read/write to it and find where it ends. |
| 23:55.40 | cr2 | yyes. |
| 23:55.50 | cr2 | when you can't read back, it ends. |
| 23:56.16 | Kevin2 | Need to check that you don't overflow back to the beginning of ram. |
| 23:56.31 | Kevin2 | Did you find why Hermes wont boot Linux? |
| 23:56.43 | cr2 | i think yes. |
| 23:57.07 | cr2 | the hermes and athena use SRAM + "external" DRAM. |
| 23:57.19 | cr2 | why hermes does it, i don't know. |
| 23:57.51 | cr2 | for athena it is necessary to know the SRAM size, maybe 480*640*2 is too much for SRAM |
| 23:57.55 | Kevin2 | Hrmm. I didn't see anything like that in the memory controller settings. Where is the sram at? |
| 23:57.57 | cr2 | like on PXA27x |
| 23:58.17 | cr2 | that's why i'd like to check the SRAM size |
| 23:58.31 | cr2 | older ATI chipsets have 384K SRAM |
| 23:59.27 | Kevin2 | The Hermes screen is only 320x240. |
| 23:59.27 | cr2 | yes, that's why i'm surprised. |
| 23:59.34 | cr2 | and i think newer chips may have more. |
| 23:59.37 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HermesMemoryMap |
| 23:59.49 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |