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| 13:06.14 | renatostore | ph5: hi |
| 13:06.24 | renatostore | i can't run minicom |
| 13:06.28 | renatostore | on alpine |
| 13:06.56 | renatostore | what is the phone application on xanadux? |
| 13:09.34 | pH5 | hi renatostore, I don't know what phone application could be used in OPIE. |
| 13:19.54 | renatostore | there is not a standard phone application? |
| 13:20.15 | renatostore | what do you use? |
| 13:21.48 | pH5 | gomunicator for voice/SMS and a shell script + pppd for GPRS |
| 13:22.20 | renatostore | can i use it on opie? |
| 13:23.03 | pH5 | + there is the gpephone stack now and later today openmoko will be released. all of them don't work with opie. |
| 13:24.03 | cr2 | hi |
| 13:24.17 | cr2 | renatostore: why you can't run minicom ? |
| 13:24.45 | pH5 | hi cr2 |
| 13:24.55 | renatostore | cr2: i can't run minicom on the device for "screen is too small" |
| 13:25.25 | cr2 | run it in text mode. |
| 13:26.01 | cr2 | login over ssh over usb. |
| 13:34.16 | renatostore | i ran it in a console on the device |
| 13:35.25 | renatostore | ph5: so opie hasn't an application for phone |
| 13:36.36 | pH5 | renatostore: I don't know. I've never seen opie. |
| 13:36.51 | renatostore | cr2: what do you use on universal? |
| 13:37.01 | cr2 | renatostore: there is no real support infrastructure for the phone. to write a gui is not a problem. |
| 13:37.29 | cr2 | for the phone ? nothing. otherwise opie and soon qtopia. |
| 13:37.53 | cr2 | babeloued has written some phone support for qtopia based on gnokii. |
| 13:38.15 | cr2 | but i'm waiting for the gsmd code from moko. |
| 13:40.08 | cr2 | http://www.smart2go.com still says "coming soon". |
| 13:42.12 | renatostore | cr2: the only way to use minicom is by ssh? |
| 13:47.26 | cr2 | renatostore: you can use 'cu' if it is installed. |
| 13:48.06 | cr2 | it's only for testing, so you don't need to care about it. |
| 13:48.18 | cr2 | is your phone on /dev/ttyS1 ? |
| 13:49.15 | cr2 | hm, yes. http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
| 13:49.20 | cr2 | then try |
| 13:49.21 | pH5 | cr2: yes. btuart for at commands and the asic5uart for data |
| 13:49.27 | cr2 | od -x /dev/ttyS1 |
| 13:49.39 | cr2 | ok. |
| 13:50.34 | cr2 | pH5: btw, what is missing on alpine for the hardware support ? |
| 13:51.57 | pH5 | regarding the phone? |
| 13:51.58 | pH5 | An uart driver for asic5 would be cool. I have no idea how that part works. |
| 13:53.23 | cr2 | me too. 'wi' seems to be the best option. serial is slow. |
| 13:53.59 | cr2 | backlight/lcd power ? cpu suspend/resume ? |
| 13:55.05 | pH5 | cr2: as far as I know all of this is still missing. |
| 13:57.09 | dullard | is there a list of known at commands about? |
| 13:57.46 | pH5 | dullard: generic -->etsi? for a specific device -->which one? |
| 13:58.01 | cr2 | pH5: ok, but without having a device you can't do 'wi', only ida_pro. |
| 13:58.16 | cr2 | dullard: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM ? |
| 13:58.17 | dullard | generic but I'm specifically interested in the universal |
| 13:58.47 | dullard | thanks cr2... now why couldn't I find that? |
| 13:59.26 | pH5 | cr2: btw, did you compare that list to the AT+CLAC output on the universal? |
| 14:00.07 | cr2 | pH5: there is no CLAC on the universal. |
| 14:00.23 | pH5 | ah ok. |
| 14:00.57 | cr2 | and there are some more clandestine commands on universal, not included in the list. |
| 14:15.57 | cr2 | pH5: do you know x11 good enough ? :) |
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| 14:27.11 | pH5 | cr2: no :) |
| 14:28.42 | cr2 | i have a windows program running in wine. |
| 14:29.03 | cr2 | i can find the window id (how?) |
| 14:29.17 | cr2 | and then i'd like to do the following: |
| 14:29.37 | cr2 | xsetkeyevent KEY_LEFT -id ID |
| 14:30.11 | cr2 | xwd -id ID -silent |xwdtopnm| pnmtotiff > picture.tiff |
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| 14:30.23 | cr2 | the last one is clear. |
| 14:30.32 | sponged | just reporting back from yesterday.. it works! I type and tap this from opie-irc on my universal. Massive thanks to anyone involved - this is great! |
| 14:30.48 | cr2 | but how do i send the KEY event to a random window ? |
| 14:31.12 | cr2 | without writing an own xlib program. |
| 14:31.52 | pH5 | hm. that last part ruined it for me :) |
| 14:32.21 | pH5 | wasn't there some kind of scope app to get the window ID? |
| 14:32.37 | pH5 | sending keys is easily done via XTest, but is there a simple cmdline program for that? |
| 14:34.16 | cr2 | xscope ? |
| 14:34.38 | sponged | BTW, I found I had to modprobe acx, because of the wlan/tapscreen bug, and then setting the essid, I had to add an extra digit in the iwconfig commandline for it to appear correctly |
| 14:34.50 | cr2 | only xprop and xev come to my mind. |
| 14:34.53 | pH5 | there is xlsclients -l |
| 14:35.25 | renatostore | cr2: i'm tring gpe but it's blocket at splash screen "open embedded" |
| 14:35.30 | pH5 | ah, xwininfo! |
| 14:35.37 | cr2 | pH5: ok, that works :) |
| 14:35.53 | renatostore | cr2: i can't connect via usb |
| 14:35.55 | cr2 | thanks. |
| 14:36.10 | renatostore | there is a way to turn off splash screen |
| 14:36.11 | renatostore | ? |
| 14:36.26 | cr2 | renatostore: there is, but i have forgot it. |
| 14:37.11 | pH5 | renatostore: psplash=false on the kernel cmdline |
| 14:37.27 | pH5 | or move /etc/init.d/psplash out of the way |
| 14:38.30 | cr2 | hm. linux-handhelds-2.6-2.6.16-hh9-r0 ??? |
| 14:38.59 | sponged | Oh, one other thing, first time round, tap and hold on opie's battery icon froze the uni (soft reset worked) I guess this is a known thing.. |
| 14:39.52 | cr2 | sponged: no. |
| 14:40.16 | cr2 | sponged: put it into the hh.org wiki bug list. |
| 14:40.49 | sponged | Ah. I read there were some known power issues, so I thought that was it. |
| 14:41.21 | sponged | I'll try and verify it, and do what you say, cr2 |
| 14:41.26 | cr2 | which power issues ? |
| 14:41.51 | sponged | charging not working, overheating.. |
| 14:41.53 | cr2 | the leds are not contolled by the power driver, but it's a minor issue. |
| 14:42.17 | sponged | I think I read that in the xda-devel forum thread |
| 14:42.18 | cr2 | it was some time ago. but you can test by yourself. |
| 14:42.33 | cr2 | xda-dev thread is >1 year long :) |
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| 14:43.08 | sponged | I know - it's a monster! |
| 14:43.58 | sponged | so charging should work now? the battery readout says 100%, but I know that's wrong.. |
| 14:46.12 | renatostore | cr2: kernel panic - not syncing: attempted to kill init |
| 14:48.17 | cr2 | sponged: look into the /sys/class/battery* |
| 14:48.31 | cr2 | renatostore: ? |
| 14:49.12 | renatostore | this happened after locate-base-de-de |
| 14:49.55 | renatostore | and configuring locate-base-en-gb |
| 14:50.26 | renatostore | and configuring locate-base-fr-fr |
| 14:51.30 | renatostore | cr2: second tentative ok |
| 14:52.44 | cr2 | renatostore: this is for gpe ? |
| 14:59.15 | renatostore | yes |
| 14:59.21 | renatostore | now it is ok |
| 14:59.43 | renatostore | but gomunicator says: can't find /dev/gsm0 |
| 15:00.06 | renatostore | even the mixer |
| 15:04.01 | cr2 | ok, then it does not know about alpine ? |
| 15:04.27 | cr2 | pH5: have you tried gpephone ? it's in oe now. |
| 15:06.18 | cr2 | hmm. wine does not have any commanline options now ?? |
| 15:15.29 | renatostore | cr2: how can i test phone? |
| 15:26.48 | pH5 | cr2: not yet. I just downloaded the sources |
| 15:39.24 | pH5 | renatostore: I needed to patch gomunicator to make it work |
| 15:39.34 | pH5 | http://en.pastebin.ca/350573 |
| 15:40.04 | pH5 | things will be different once openmoko gsmd is released (hopefully) |
| 15:54.52 | pH5 | I already don't like phoneserver. It depends on sqlite3 via lib{ab,msg}enabler. |
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| 21:11.43 | cr2 | goxboxlive: are you here ? |
| 21:13.30 | goxboxlive | cr2: sir yes sir |
| 21:14.31 | cr2 | :D |
| 21:14.56 | cr2 | being paid for is not a medicine against vaporware |
| 21:15.11 | cr2 | first nokia maps, second http://planet.openmoko.org |
| 21:18.11 | goxboxlive | So it's delayed again |
| 21:19.11 | cr2 | it seems so. |
| 21:19.26 | cr2 | pH5 has tried to compile the gpephone |
| 21:19.42 | cr2 | but i don't know the result. |
| 21:20.34 | goxboxlive | ok, thought that the release of openmoko was tomorrow. |
| 21:21.16 | goxboxlive | I talked to floraian and he said that gpephone might build for arm devices, but there might be some problem with VGA screens |
| 21:21.22 | cr2 | btw, why oe uses 2.6.16 kernel for universal ? |
| 21:21.32 | goxboxlive | <florian> goxboxlive: yes... but it will be some effort to make the ui support the vga screen properly |
| 21:21.48 | goxboxlive | it depends on wich distor you choose |
| 21:22.22 | cr2 | ok, so my idea to drop it completely was not bad. |
| 21:23.33 | cr2 | i think we should create a compile script that will include the modules into zimage, and compile zimages for the phones we support. |
| 21:23.34 | ljp | best bet is qtopia ? :) |
| 21:24.11 | cr2 | ljp: of course, but the phone support infrastructure ... |
| 21:25.13 | cr2 | i don't understand why it is not opened. the whole stuff is dual-licensed anyway, so nobody can steal anything. |
| 21:25.23 | ljp | wouldnt be too difficult to write something, the API is public |
| 21:26.00 | ljp | cr2: I have been pushing for it to get gpl'd |
| 21:26.09 | cr2 | yes, but it's reinventing the wheel ... |
| 21:26.12 | cr2 | i know. |
| 21:26.32 | ljp | they think they will loose revenue if they GPL that |
| 21:26.37 | ljp | in China |
| 21:28.33 | cr2 | i understand their fears, but a real working environment on a mass-market phone is a much bigger advantage. |
| 21:29.24 | cr2 | and this part is device-specific to such an extent, that writing new code is necessary anyway for each phone. |
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| 21:37.24 | ljp | I could release binary phone stuff, if I had an htc |
| 21:37.44 | ljp | while not perfect 'open', it might work some |
| 21:38.55 | goxboxlive | ljp: Then i think you should ask TT if they could buy one for you. |
| 21:39.03 | cr2 | ok, but there are 2 phone types: TI-gsm and MSM-umts |
| 21:40.10 | cr2 | ljp: if you were not at the other side of the globe, i would have sent one to you ;) |
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| 21:44.00 | cr2 | hi BabelOued |
| 21:44.09 | BabelOued | hi cr2 |
| 21:44.11 | cr2 | just at the right moment |
| 21:44.16 | BabelOued | oh ? |
| 21:44.43 | cr2 | we are talking about the qtopia phone app :) |
| 21:45.49 | BabelOued | ah yes, i ve some problem with that to understand xml theme view to integrate plugin |
| 21:46.09 | BabelOued | cr2 do you have any news about sound on BA ? |
| 21:46.26 | BabelOued | maybe waiting for 2.6.20 to have full soc sound support |
| 21:46.35 | cr2 | no, but we can try to move it forward. |
| 21:47.02 | fluffs | 2.6.21 should be the release with s3c24xx ASoC support |
| 21:47.35 | cr2 | fluffs: what about ak4641 ? |
| 21:47.54 | fluffs | shouldn't be difficult to do a codec driver for it |
| 21:48.08 | cr2 | i'd like to debug the hermes boot before fosdem. |
| 21:48.19 | fluffs | what is the problem? |
| 21:48.20 | cr2 | fluffs: can you start ? :) |
| 21:48.51 | fluffs | i can also middle and finish |
| 21:49.00 | cr2 | the first problem was the serial debug. we have the phone on the 1 serial port |
| 21:49.19 | cr2 | BT on the second, and IR on the third. |
| 21:49.28 | fluffs | i'd send it out the IR |
| 21:49.46 | cr2 | so pushing 'Uncompressing Linux .....' to the phone is not very useful. |
| 21:50.22 | fluffs | the low-level uart options should allow you to move it to uart2 |
| 21:50.25 | cr2 | i had hard time already on the universal to use raw IR consoile. |
| 21:51.30 | cr2 | so i wanted to add the pixel writing support to the early boot. like it was done on omap730 and is pretty straitforward to port. |
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| 21:52.51 | fluffs | hmm, the old rpc stuff had that too |
| 21:59.28 | cr2 | fluffs: i have put all the code to hh.org CVS. the fb, nand and serial config is taken from wince. the kernel compiles, but does not want to boot. |
| 22:01.22 | cr2 | btw, hermes also has the ak4641 chip, so asoc can be tested there too. i.e. not only on the pxa, but on s3c2442 too. |
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| 22:10.36 | cr2 | hi lamikr |
| 22:10.45 | lamikr | cr2 hi |
| 22:11.16 | lamikr | How is the universal working nowadays? |
| 22:13.15 | cr2 | no much progress. |
| 22:16.08 | lamikr | Have you also been busy with other issues than linux devices? |
| 22:16.53 | cr2 | of course :) i'm reading the students reports right now |
| 22:17.25 | lamikr | oh, so you are also teaching in the university? |
| 22:18.04 | fluffs | cr2: much rather see as much as possible into the mainline kernel |
| 22:22.51 | cr2 | lamikr: do you think i'm paid for hacking on linux kernel ? :) |
| 22:24.05 | cr2 | fluffs: i don't know so much about the s3c24xx as about pxa. that's a problem. and we don't have such excellent hw debug support in haret for s3c24xx as for pxa27x. |
| 22:24.49 | ljp | i could possibly get TT to buy one (and pay for shipping), if I could find a good one. |
| 22:25.42 | fluffs | if you can find a dead one, i can turn it into bits |
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| 22:28.47 | fluffs | which is the cheapest of the range? |
| 22:38.03 | lamikr | cr2: No, but I thought you were just making physics research :-) |
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| 22:46.12 | fluffs | gah, can't afford 300ukp this month to buy one |
| 22:46.23 | cr2 | lamikr: yes, but in the university one should also sometimes teach the students too. |
| 22:46.48 | cr2 | fluffs: which one ? hermes ? |
| 22:47.04 | fluffs | yeah |
| 22:47.35 | cr2 | ljp: buy the universal |
| 22:48.58 | cr2 | fluffs: hermes is very similar to the universal inside, but has s3c24xx cpu. |
| 22:49.15 | cr2 | and the ati video chip. |
| 22:49.37 | cr2 | i guess we will spend some time to port w100 to it. |
| 22:50.24 | cr2 | fluffs: then write "dump gpio" for haret :) |
| 22:51.45 | cr2 | compared to strongarm and pxa, s3c24xx is really unnecessary complicated inside. |
| 22:52.26 | fluffs | ? |
| 22:52.54 | cr2 | the gpio setup blows my mind ;) |
| 22:53.12 | sheepy | what do you like about the s3c24xx based devices fluffs? |
| 22:53.51 | fluffs | they're not bad little chips, and cheaper than pxas |
| 22:54.29 | sheepy | i found a blueangel on ebay for ~$100 US |
| 22:55.10 | sheepy | i was thinking of getting it to play with even though my main phone is Apache (Sprint doesnt support GSM :( ) |
| 22:55.21 | cr2 | sheepy: not bad. if it works . |
| 22:55.37 | sheepy | the vendor had good reputation |
| 22:55.56 | cr2 | good idea. |
| 22:56.08 | sheepy | does the ATI chip support OpenGL? |
| 22:56.14 | cr2 | i think we should really finish it. |
| 22:56.18 | cr2 | which one ? |
| 22:56.21 | fluffs | hmm, i should get to bed soon |
| 22:56.23 | sheepy | because XGL would be hot ;) |
| 22:56.35 | sheepy | the ATI chip on the BA |
| 22:57.11 | cr2 | fluffs: will you work on ak4641 ? your help with s3c24xx will be great too. |
| 22:57.17 | fluffs | possibly |
| 22:57.18 | cr2 | sheepy: no. it's 2D. |
| 22:57.28 | fluffs | i've got an rx1710 to frob at somepoint |
| 22:57.43 | sheepy | ah |
| 22:58.01 | cr2 | ok, let's join the forces. |
| 22:58.15 | cr2 | i feel too lone very often :) |
| 22:58.38 | cr2 | s3c24xx dev ? |
| 22:58.45 | fluffs | yeah, i'm the 2.6 maintainer |
| 22:58.53 | cr2 | lol. ok :) |
| 22:59.03 | sheepy | nice |
| 22:59.32 | cr2 | you are the only person i know who likes s3c24xx , so it was an easy guess. |
| 22:59.42 | cr2 | well, it was a joke. |
| 23:00.02 | cr2 | the chip is quite good when it comes to powersaving |
| 23:00.21 | cr2 | i really like how it behaves in suspend state. |
| 23:02.51 | fluffs | gah, i've moosed the cursor code in this |
| 23:08.13 | cr2 | sheepy: there is only one major roadblock on apache and blueangel. the mdoc g3/g4 |
| 23:08.26 | sheepy | what is that? |
| 23:08.45 | cr2 | but if you run off SD it's not a _very_ big deal. |
| 23:08.55 | sheepy | oh the internal flash? |
| 23:09.00 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:09.02 | sheepy | i c |
| 23:09.16 | cr2 | it's faster than SD |
| 23:09.21 | sheepy | htc isnt using the std interface of the pxa arch? |
| 23:09.39 | cr2 | but you don't want to blow it on apache by rewriting. |
| 23:09.45 | fluffs | until recently, pxa didn't have a nand flash |
| 23:09.47 | cr2 | which standard iface ? |
| 23:09.58 | sheepy | i am going over the pxa dev manual right now |
| 23:10.11 | cr2 | it's a memory mapped weird mdoc asic. |
| 23:10.48 | cr2 | fluffs: no afaik. |
| 23:10.49 | sheepy | oh |
| 23:11.27 | cr2 | the good thing is that moko uses the same gsm module as older htc phones. |
| 23:11.28 | fluffs | whcih is another s3c24xx plus.... lovely nand booting |
| 23:11.30 | cr2 | like ba. |
| 23:11.47 | sheepy | did the source get released yet? |
| 23:11.47 | cr2 | fluffs: that's true. |
| 23:11.59 | fluffs | sheepy: iirc, ~6hrs |
| 23:12.02 | sheepy | :D |
| 23:12.09 | cr2 | http://planet.openmoko.org |
| 23:15.51 | sheepy | the "turbo" mode on the PXA270, does this need a hardware enable to hit the 600Mhz? |
| 23:15.58 | fluffs | cr2: hmm, couldn't find any new machines in hh.org's kernel26 cvs |
| 23:16.58 | sheepy | the docs make it sound like it is activated in software |
| 23:17.08 | fluffs | software |
| 23:31.22 | psokolovsky | fluffs, mach-s3c2xxx/ |
| 23:38.30 | fluffs | right |
| 23:38.38 | fluffs | gah, silly sub-directories |
| 23:39.49 | fluffs | anyway, must go to bed |