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| 08:40.48 | pingmd | hiiii....... |
| 08:41.28 | pingmd | i got problem compiling.... |
| 08:41.37 | pingmd | alpine device... |
| 08:42.37 | pingmd | alloooo |
| 08:42.40 | pingmd | anybody home? |
| 08:59.24 | Fossi | no |
| 08:59.44 | Fossi | also, if you'd ask a real question, somebody might answer at some point |
| 09:02.47 | clustered | ok. sorry, let me rephrase. |
| 09:03.21 | clustered | im using a gentoo in vmware. would that cause any problem in compiling linux kernel for alpine? |
| 09:05.56 | clustered | got an error after $ make |
| 09:08.28 | psokolovsky_ | clustered, no, it won't. vmware, I mean, not your gentoo setup |
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| 09:13.30 | pingmadara | back. |
| 09:13.47 | pingmadara | i got error after $ make htcalpine_defconfig ; make |
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| 11:56.46 | goxboxlive | man i am disapointed now |
| 11:57.10 | goxboxlive | I got my A780 today, but it was the version without GPS |
| 11:57.11 | goxboxlive | I' |
| 11:57.21 | goxboxlive | I'm selling it again |
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| 13:11.29 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i think it was a scam to release 2 different phones under exactly the same name. |
| 13:20.03 | Fossi | it's bad enough that they release them under so many different brand names |
| 13:25.12 | lama | I've bought qtek 9100 ;] |
| 13:26.01 | cr2 | lama: htc name ? |
| 13:28.03 | lama | WIZARD |
| 13:28.26 | lama | yes, I know it doesn't have good linux support yet, and it has slow cpu ;] |
| 13:41.23 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes i agree. I kind of like the phone i hink. it lays good in my hand, but as a geek i need to have some cool stuff on the phone, like GPS. If my wife want it she can have it, otherwise i maybe sell it and buy me a FIC phone. |
| 13:43.08 | cr2 | FIC phone comes first in autumn. |
| 13:43.22 | goxboxlive | Doesnt it come out in a month or so? |
| 13:43.23 | cr2 | and will it have the maps of Norway ? |
| 13:43.41 | cr2 | only for the selected "developers" |
| 13:43.46 | goxboxlive | Dont you think so |
| 13:44.27 | cr2 | they save 1 cent on everything, and will provide the maps for the whole world for free ? |
| 13:44.39 | cr2 | you are a bit misleaded ;) |
| 13:44.43 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 13:45.38 | cr2 | lol, you are supposed to pay even for the ephemeris data |
| 13:45.47 | goxboxlive | Well, if i am not goimg to have a A780 with GPS or a FIC ophone we realy to should get the universal finished. When do you going to have some spear time again? |
| 13:46.47 | cr2 | i may do the following. |
| 13:47.14 | cr2 | if you open /dev/ttyS0, then your mic is switched to the phone. |
| 13:48.20 | cr2 | let's also wait 3 days and see the moko code for gsmd. |
| 13:48.31 | goxboxlive | Yes of course |
| 13:50.25 | cr2 | the qt3->qt4 differences are unexpectedly big. |
| 13:50.48 | goxboxlive | yes i have heard about it |
| 13:51.02 | cr2 | and qtopia does not have qt3-compatibility libs. maybe it's a reasonable decision, to save ram. |
| 13:51.16 | goxboxlive | I also took some look at some screenshots of the GPEphone, it looked very good though |
| 13:54.37 | cr2 | the phone gui is not that much a problem. |
| 13:55.14 | cr2 | i was thinking more about porting zroadmap, have done some work, but then gave up for the rest. |
| 13:56.23 | cr2 | goxboxlive: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/02/08/nokia_frees_smart2go |
| 14:08.35 | goxboxlive | Have you been using zroadmap with the universal yet? |
| 14:10.17 | cr2 | with opie ? |
| 14:10.50 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 14:10.53 | cr2 | the main problem is roadmap vs. roadmap_editor |
| 14:11.44 | cr2 | roadmap_editor supports route planning, but the qt version is broken. |
| 14:12.22 | cr2 | and roadmap (main branch) does not support postgis. |
| 14:13.23 | cr2 | i may create a demo version for your default opie image |
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| 14:13.56 | cr2 | but then i'll need some free european map. |
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| 14:18.46 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 14:20.48 | cr2 | i can create maps for some cities/countries from mapcenter.cgpsmapper.com |
| 14:21.24 | cr2 | afaik, there are no good maps of norway there. |
| 14:25.01 | cr2 | you can get them by other means, but it's outside of our scope. |
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| 16:57.33 | goxboxlive | cr2: this is the version i got: Asian unlocked market version. No CoPilotinstalled and probably no GPS. |
| 17:00.57 | cr2 | goxboxlive: yes. |
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| 17:05.54 | goxboxlive | It seems like there are a lot of versions of them. But probably no gps doesnt say that it isent. I have to check if there is a way i can install the european rom version. |
| 17:07.38 | cr2 | only 2. asian and european. |
| 17:08.11 | cr2 | you can install the european rom, and use it as a map guide. |
| 17:08.42 | cr2 | using bt gps is probably not possible right now, but the proto is decoded, so it's then only the matter of time. |
| 17:09.47 | cr2 | the people usually try the (back-)transform :) |
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| 17:21.53 | goxboxlive | Where can u get the eurpoean firmware? |
| 17:26.58 | cr2 | http://vllp.sourceforge.net/vllp/html/index.php?name=Sections&req=viewarticle&artid=11&page=1 |
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| 17:43.23 | Xosix | hi |
| 17:46.17 | clustered | how to exit opie n back to wince ? |
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| 17:46.43 | clustered | RoEn_PC |
| 17:48.26 | clustered | how to exit opie n back to wince ? |
| 17:48.59 | RoEn_PC | hi clustered |
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| 17:58.15 | clustered | cyrill62 |
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| 18:05.23 | clustered | alsuren_ |
| 18:05.32 | clustered | how to exit opie n back to wince ? |
| 18:06.13 | alsuren_ | whicch phone? |
| 18:06.15 | cyrill62 | I think you should reset your device |
| 18:06.23 | clustered | i tried to reset |
| 18:06.32 | clustered | cant.... i just can hard reset only |
| 18:06.36 | clustered | htc alpine |
| 18:06.45 | alsuren_ | (failsafe method is to hard-reset on all devices |
| 18:07.20 | clustered | by removing battery? |
| 18:08.01 | alsuren_ | there is probably a key combination to hard reset without taking your phone apart |
| 18:08.22 | clustered | i can hard reset |
| 18:08.29 | alsuren_ | but removing the babttery is certainly one way to do it :P |
| 18:08.41 | clustered | n it will start windows again.... install everything back |
| 18:09.22 | clustered | i try suspend/restart/shut down on opie...but nothing happen |
| 18:10.02 | clustered | emmm |
| 18:10.03 | clustered | alsuren_ |
| 18:10.08 | clustered | what device you're using? |
| 18:10.16 | alsuren_ | clustered: some devices don't have shutdown support |
| 18:10.55 | clustered | i had read somewhere how to back to wince... but i dont remember |
| 18:11.06 | clustered | dont know it support on alpine or not.... |
| 18:11.32 | alsuren_ | clustered: are yoyu saying t hat hhard-resetting doesn't work? |
| 18:12.05 | clustered | hard reset is working fine... |
| 18:13.42 | clustered | emmmm |
| 18:14.01 | clustered | opie or gpe is more stable? |
| 18:14.34 | alsuren_ | then that may be the best option. I know that some phones just don't have shutdown working yet (eg palm te. Dunno about your device) |
| 18:15.01 | clustered | its ok alsuren_..... im newbies... still learning |
| 18:15.38 | clustered | ;) |
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| 18:17.04 | clustered | ohh.... |
| 18:17.14 | clustered | i just tried using opie for now.... |
| 18:17.31 | clustered | the tutorial to compile that i found also got many problem |
| 18:18.15 | clustered | my device also still new about linux |
| 18:19.05 | clustered | cr2 helps much for that device |
| 18:19.37 | alsuren_ | yeah. cr2 is a bit of a genius |
| 18:20.24 | clustered | may God bless him! |
| 18:20.24 | clustered | haha |
| 18:21.43 | clustered | where are u from? |
| 18:22.00 | alsuren_ | London |
| 18:23.16 | alsuren_ | and it's dinner time here, so I'm going to get food |
| 18:25.54 | clustered | ok |
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| 20:07.11 | lkcl | allo darlins. just thought i'd drop by to say hello. |
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| 20:32.52 | pH5 | hey lkcl |
| 20:33.10 | lkcl | hiya pH5 |
| 20:33.47 | lkcl | do you know of any ARM-based 1U servers? preferably parallel-processor ones ok - maybe 2U |
| 20:34.30 | lkcl | the power requirements in data centres are so heavy that they're charging _per amp_ not by space (!) |
| 20:42.33 | pH5 | lkcl: I've only seen ARM cores in embedded/handheld devices and devel boards so far, no idea about servers. |
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| 21:01.26 | Hymie | lkcl: wow, here they charge by bandwidth.. I guess it's because power is cheaper |
| 21:03.33 | lkcl | it's london. the power requirements in london are mad. |
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| 22:06.08 | Hymie | lkcl: sounds like it'd be cheaper to just buy and install a server over here |
| 22:06.30 | Hymie | lkcl: well, sounds that way |
| 22:06.34 | lkcl | i think i've found an alternative - _not_ in london |
| 22:06.40 | lkcl | yeh i was agreeing |
| 22:11.03 | Hymie | lkcl: what are the rates your paying, btw? |
| 22:11.32 | lkcl | 90 GBP per month for a leased server as well as the bandwidth. blackcatnetworks.co.uk |
| 22:11.59 | Hymie | sounds very reasonably priced |
| 22:12.12 | lkcl | for up to 100 gbytes per month. |
| 22:12.50 | Hymie | hmm, they don't have blackcatnetworks.co.uk pointing anywhere, that's poor form |
| 22:13.09 | lkcl | tsk tsk :) www..... |
| 22:13.28 | Hymie | ? so... it's very poor form to not have your base url pointing somewhere |
| 22:13.41 | Hymie | it shows they're a mostly M$ shop |
| 22:13.45 | Hymie | I'd take that into account |
| 22:13.56 | Hymie | they design for one browser |
| 22:14.04 | Hymie | and assume everyone will do very specific things |
| 22:14.52 | lkcl | no, they're entirely debian-linux-based. |
| 22:15.04 | Hymie | well, heh |
| 22:15.09 | lkcl | i'll tell johnathon - slap his wrist :) |
| 22:15.14 | Hymie | please do |
| 22:15.28 | cr2 | hi lkcl |
| 22:15.40 | lkcl | allo cr2 |
| 22:15.43 | lkcl | how are ya? |
| 22:15.46 | Hymie | anyhow that price doesn't seem out there |
| 22:15.55 | Hymie | although I have seen co-lo for $100 here |
| 22:16.00 | Hymie | CDN |
| 22:16.08 | cr2 | nokia goes crazy :) |
| 22:16.11 | Hymie | lkcl: what sort of usage is this for? |
| 22:16.21 | lkcl | cr2: _good_! |
| 22:17.26 | lkcl | Hymie: well - this is OT for htc-linux - i'm setting up a linux distro which is automatically installed, automatically backed up, and offers a remote office facility |
| 22:17.31 | lkcl | 1sec phone call... |
| 22:17.50 | Hymie | ah, a virus then? |
| 22:17.52 | lkcl | if your pc goes down you can ask us to run freenx for you with your last backup |
| 22:18.00 | Hymie | ah ;) |
| 22:18.13 | Hymie | hmm, well.. you might want to look more into network redundancy than pricing |
| 22:18.22 | Hymie | how many redundant links does that ISP have? |
| 22:18.37 | lkcl | they're in redbus and other locations. |
| 22:18.39 | lkcl | phone call.... |
| 22:19.19 | Hymie | brb, people are here to view the house (it's for sale) |
| 22:25.58 | Hymie | well, back until the people come in I guess |
| 22:25.59 | Hymie | anyhow |
| 22:26.02 | Hymie | that's not the point |
| 22:26.07 | Hymie | they could have 1000 locations |
| 22:26.07 | Hymie | but |
| 22:26.16 | Hymie | how many redundant links do they have, _per_ location |
| 22:26.40 | Hymie | if one link is performing poorly to a certain site, then they need to route around that with another link |
| 22:27.39 | Hymie | and of course, the quality of the link matters too.. you don't want to be dealing with an ISP, that bought the cheapest bandwidth they could find |
| 22:27.52 | Hymie | likely, if so, you'll be sorry |
| 22:28.15 | Hymie | NX is nice, but... who'd want to use it if packets were being spilled all over hell's half acre/ |
| 22:28.17 | Hymie | NX is nice, but... who'd want to use it if packets were being spilled all over hell's half acre? |
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