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00:00.02sir_rokrno, there is one on the site, but i downloaded the most recent from xda devel
00:00.23sheepya precompiled image or?
00:00.36sir_rokryeah
00:00.48sir_rokri don't have easy access to a compiler
00:00.48sheepylink?
00:01.17sir_rokrmy only working version of linux right now is a 60MB live cd
00:01.28sir_rokrBBC linux
00:01.41sir_rokrmy hdd with fedora isn't working right
00:01.42sheepyis that because you dont have your own computer ATM?
00:01.59sheepyUbuntu, go Ubuntu
00:02.07sheepyyou will not regret it ;)
00:02.22sheepyanyways, you have a link to the kernel that you are using?
00:02.40sir_rokrwell, in order to even boot into windows, i have to have a bootable xp cd in the drive, or i get lots of grub errors, and that was installed on the superblock of my 4th drive
00:02.49sir_rokrjust a sec
00:02.57sheepyhmm
00:03.37sir_rokrhttp://wiki.xda-developers.com/uploads/zImage-2.6.12-hh2 is the kernel i'm using, the page i got the link from is http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelKernel
00:03.44sheepyok
00:03.47sir_rokrbrb
00:05.42alsurensir_rokr: sounds like your grub problem might be solved with a few quick commands. I could probably give you a hand if you want
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00:06.28sheepyis there a way to get back in to WM5 from the linux boot?
00:07.25alsurensheepy: is there a command called shutdown?
00:07.35sheepy=)
00:07.53sir_rokrback, but i have to go in less than a couple minutes
00:07.59alsuren:P
00:08.11sheepyhehe
00:08.17sir_rokri hate moving, my life has been commandeered for the last month
00:08.25sheepyi just did a move
00:08.31sheepyim still in boxes
00:09.11sir_rokrif you guys figure anything out, and definately the help with grub (possibly with a link to ubuntu), could you send me a quick email at sirrokr@gmail.com
00:09.35alsurensir_rokr: google ubuntu
00:09.48sheepywhat is the error you get with the .gz file sir?
00:09.49alsurenas long as you have a cd burner it's easy
00:09.58sheepytotally
00:10.01sir_rokroh, and does ubuntu play nice with winxp? i know with fedora and slackware, i have to jump through alot of hoops to dualboot
00:10.11sheepyit will set it up
00:10.16alsuren(though I would recommend kubuntu, because kde is sexy
00:10.18sheepyif you install windows first
00:10.30Ralithsir_rokr, yeah, it'll be fine if windows comes first
00:10.32sheepyhehe, NO! Gnome is!
00:10.34sheepy:P
00:10.37sir_rokri agree, kde is much better than gnome
00:10.45sir_rokrlol
00:10.46alsuren2 against 2
00:10.48sheepy;)
00:11.10sir_rokri've always used kde since slackware 5.2
00:11.14alsurengrrrr. fucking universal keyboard with the numbers in the wrong place!
00:11.21sir_rokrlol
00:11.24sheepyhehe
00:11.40sir_rokryou are lucky, for my pc, i am working with a usb japanese keyboard, us windows hates that
00:11.47sheepy!!
00:11.53sir_rokrlinux it works fine though   lol
00:12.58sir_rokrwell, g2g, be back later if my internet holds up
00:13.04alsurenStill deciding whether to install linux on the universal. My only current problem with wince is that you can't set up a proxy with wifi
00:13.28alsurenso I can't get on the net from inside uni
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00:15.07sheepyi say install it anyways :)
00:15.21sheepyeverything is better with linux
00:15.30sheepyhmm, still cant reboot it
00:15.42alsurenbut I set up xrdp on one of the university computers, so I can use linux programs via the 'terminal services client'
00:15.44sheepyhave had to pull the battery
00:16.28alsurensheepy: my gut instinct says that a hard reset would have worked
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00:17.06sheepyi have linux running out of my house.  Pretty much I connect to the net on a device and run an ssh tunnel back to my home and use the internet from there
00:17.29sheepythough right now it is all turned off
00:17.30sheepyhaha
00:17.37alsurenand many linux distros have /etc/init.d/reboot
00:17.42sheepyyeah
00:17.56sheepyit runs the command and then doesnt reboot
00:17.57sheepyjust sits there
00:18.04sheepystill at the terminal
00:18.13sheepyi dont think it is implemented
00:18.34cr2alsuren: you don't need to hardreset on universal.
00:18.57sheepycr2: i am trying to get back into wm5 from uni
00:19.01sheepyon my apache
00:19.16sheepyso far the only way i can do it is pull the battery
00:19.26sheepyany help is very appriciated :)
00:19.33cr2strange.
00:19.42cr2i just type 'reboot'
00:19.51cr2or press the softreset button.
00:19.58sheepyyeah, it executes but then doesnt go from there
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00:20.08sheepysoft reset button doesnt do anything
00:20.14cr2on apache ?
00:20.18sheepyyeah
00:20.21cr2hmm.
00:20.23sheepyapm you think?
00:20.32cr2no.
00:20.47sheepyi havent updated the firmware on it
00:20.55sheepysprint just released a new fw
00:21.00sheepyshould i try that?
00:21.09cr2no idea.
00:21.12sheepyk
00:21.13sheepy:)
00:21.35cr2i'm more concerned about booting on hermes :)
00:21.41alsurensheepy: I don't have the money to spend on gprs bandwidth, so I've taken to lugging an ethernet hotspot about :P
00:21.42sheepyyeah when i type reboot i get the message "system is rebooting"
00:22.03sheepyand then nothing.  Same thing with shutdown -h now
00:22.12sheepystays booted
00:22.15cr2strange.
00:22.23cr2works ok on the universal.
00:22.30sheepywhat device?
00:22.32sheepyapache?
00:23.07alsurencr2: do *you* have any predictions about making phonecalls from the universal?
00:23.27sheepyi predect "yes"
00:23.35sheepybut when is another question
00:23.38cr2alsuren: we wait till 11.02
00:24.11cr2to look at the gsmd architecture, and not reinvent the wheel.
00:24.46sheepywhat is 11.02 ?
00:24.48alsurencr2: 11.02? Sounds like either a date or a version number
00:24.53cr2the phone can be convinced to work, but without a phone app it's not very useful.
00:25.11cr211 feb. the openmoko source will be released.
00:25.17sheepyoh
00:25.19sheepynice
00:25.43alsurenoooooh! sounds exciting
00:26.29cr2universal is very flexible, that creates a problem :)
00:26.42alsurenwhat do yoyu mean?
00:27.13cr2universal is the best hardware you can get.
00:27.26cr2therefore it's the most complex to control.
00:28.31Ralithcan't wait 'till we have more control on it, tho
00:28.48alsuren(sorry about the typos. wince remote desktop + linux xrdp + stupid amounts of network lag do odd thing wrt the keyboard
00:29.15alsurencr2: what is that about the sound?
00:29.35cr2Ralith: it's not the hardware side, but the software side.
00:30.06Ralithcr2, ok?
00:30.22Ralithas far as I'm concerned, unless I can offer help, where the problem is doesn't matter too much.
00:30.25cr2alsuren: the chip is documented, and i have traced what is connected where.
00:30.45RalithI just want it with gprs and reliable phone usability, and then I'll be running it exclusively
00:31.04cr2Ralith: i can't help with the gprs.
00:31.15Ralithcr2, why not?
00:31.29alsurenRalith: gprs == expensive
00:31.30cr2you need to find a way to trace the USB-serial datastream
00:31.47cr2Ralith: i don't have a data contract.
00:32.05Ralithcr2, as I've said before, when the time comes, I'd be happy to do testing for you.
00:32.08cr2and debugging should be done by somebody with a flatrate.
00:32.16RalithI have one.
00:32.41Ralithunlimited data.
00:32.44cr2well, it's not just a "mechanic" job ;)
00:32.56Ralith?
00:33.22cr2nobody has done it before, and there are no ready-to-use tools.
00:33.31alsurenRalith: :O how much is that per month?
00:33.59sheepythis is all on GSM?  think we are out of luck on CDMA?
00:34.09Ralithalsuren, $20. It's technically only supposed to be used for WAP on 'normal' phones, but they can't tell the difference :P
00:34.11cr2sheepy: you have a ba ?
00:34.16sheepyapache
00:34.31RalithI went into the cingular store with a 'normal' phone, then just swapped around the SIMs
00:35.07cr2sheepy: read the hh.org wiki on apache. there is some unknown binary 256byte blob sent from time to time.
00:35.21sheepyinteresting
00:35.42Ralithcr2, just keep in mind, if you ever feel up to the task, I can do any and all testing you need.
00:36.11Ralithand if it's something noone's done before, well, consider it a way to put your name in the books ^_^
00:37.04cr2sheepy: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace
00:37.17sheepysweet
00:38.42sheepyi will get it set up for it
00:40.04alsurencr2: wrt the sound on universal: do you think that it could be solved/sidestepped using a generic blooth headset like they did on some other phones?
00:41.31alsuren*bluetooth
00:41.48cr2alsuren: why ?
00:42.20cr2you have a direct mono pcm link, and we know how to control it.
00:43.49alsurenoh: so that's what you mean by 'Need to make a mixer'
00:44.00alsurenwhat about the mic?
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00:45.11sheepycr2: thanks for the info
00:45.24sheepyi have to get going from the coffee shop :)
00:45.37sheepygl alsuren
00:45.38cr2alsuren: there are 3 mics
00:45.40sheepyttyl
00:45.46alsurenbyee
00:46.01cr2alsuren: 2 or them are already working.
00:46.48cr2but we need the mixer knob, to tell the sound chip which one or these 3 goes to mono_out (phone_mic_in)
00:49.27alsurenyou make it sound like it's already pretty much solved (not that I would know what a mixer knob was if one hit me in the face)
00:54.56cr2yes. we need to decide what goes into the kernel driver, what into the 'gsmd'. and we need a gui phone program.
00:55.52cr2you can use the phone right now, but it will require some major commandline wizardry.
01:00.21alsurencr2: command line is fine. I'm sure it could be hacked into a python script with a little work
01:02.12alsurenThat is very encouraging to hear... might have to try it out sometime next weekend
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01:02.29cr2we need a user-friendly solution.
01:07.35alsurencr2: that's true. I'm very tempted to test it out though
01:09.40cr2you need to send some i2c commands to ak4641 to powerup the mono out, and switch the mic->mono_out, control the volume, etc.
01:10.15cr2the kernel should do it for you, actually.
01:11.05alsurenI may poke you sometime next weekend and ask you about that
01:11.34cr2ok.
01:12.22cr2better write a ncurses app :)
01:12.48alsurenfor now, I need a) sleep, and b) to do some work, as I have about 6 sheets of questions to do for monday
01:13.04alsurenand you know where you can shove ncurses
01:13.32alsurenit's all about fdisk-style CLI or pyQt
01:15.25cr2:)
01:18.33cr2good night.
01:20.37alsurenjust for the purposes of getting to know who you are: vim/vi/emacs;kde/gnome/*box;gpe/opie;c/c++/java/python/perl?
01:20.55alsurenthen I will leave yoyu alone and go to bed
01:28.41cr2alsuren: joe;kde;opie;c/c++/awk/perl
01:29.52cr2and objdump/ida pro, or course ;-)
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10:47.23sedatedfantasyhey :)
10:48.21sedatedfantasyanyone?
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16:03.47Kevin2Hi
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18:25.47goxboxliveIt has been quite here the las weeks.
18:26.09goxboxliveWhy is that, cxr2 are you on vacation again?
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19:57.18sheepyis there any docs on using the software debugging feature of haret
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20:05.25RobHuHi. I am considering getting a HTC Universal to use as a Linux PDA. The page on the handhelds.org wiki suggests that it works pretty well and that this would be a good choice, but I was wondering if anyone here has one and could give a second opinion?
20:06.53sheepyhi
20:06.59sheepypeople say it is
20:07.21sheepyand the phone is close to working on them apparently
20:07.27RobHuSo - I would be able toWow :-)
20:07.31RobHuoops
20:07.34sheepyyeah
20:07.36RobHuMeant to delete more of that line ;-)
20:07.38sheepy:)
20:07.39sheepyhaha
20:07.50RobHuSo I would be able to use things like vi and so on on there?
20:08.07sheepyi just got linux working on my apache yesterday
20:08.13sheepybut in theory yes
20:08.24RobHushiny
20:08.41sheepyyeah, i am excited to have an ultra portable linux box
20:08.42sheepyhah
20:09.03RobHu:-)
20:09.18RobHuWhat web browser do these ditributions use?
20:09.52sheepyI am reading up on the haret utility right now, it is the bootloader on these devices
20:10.09sheepyi dont know
20:10.18sheepyhavent gotten that far yet :)
20:11.18sheepyon the apache there seems to be a few things needed to be working right away.  Mainly the ability to go back in to WM5
20:11.20sheepy;)
20:11.33sheepyright now i am pulling the battery to go back
20:11.34sheepyhah
20:11.40RobHu:-)
20:11.56sheepyso no play time till some things get configured for me
20:12.10sheepybut the uni works quite well from what i hear
20:12.27sheepyi'm going to talk my gf into getting one
20:12.32sheepyso i can play with it
20:12.33sheepyhaha
20:15.02sheepyhttp://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel
20:15.12sheepythat seems to be the phone to get ;)
20:17.30RobHusheepy: Why?
20:18.20Smacky_WolfI think it's time for Nekojiru-Sou
20:18.33sheepy!!
20:20.07sheepyRobHu: people are talking about the BlueAngel in a pretty good way from what I have seen
20:20.24sheepyim looking for a pic of the universal atm
20:20.53Smacky_WolfOh, crap. Damn global msg. Hi all!
20:20.59sheepy:D
20:21.21sheepywell Nekojiru-Sou sounds pretty bad-ass
20:21.25sheepywhat ever it is!
20:22.25goxboxliveRobHu: You are able to use Universal as a PDA, but there are still alot of bugs.
20:22.35Smacky_WolfHehehe, it's just an anime.
20:22.40pH5ねこぢる草
20:23.35goxboxliveRobHu: Me self are not using it as a PDA. In example it drains your battery alot faster than with WinCE because we are allways runninga at max cpu speed
20:24.43sheepythat universal has a nice hw set-up!
20:24.45RobHugoxboxlive: Ah I see
20:24.57goxboxliveRobHu: And also the suspend/resume are not working perfect yet. It has some issues with the pxafb when resumes, also keyboard is a little buggy after resume
20:25.05RobHuIs there a bug list somewhere where I can get an idea of what bugs there are?
20:25.23sheepyhow does the Uni compare to the blueangel?
20:25.28goxboxliveWell, we have made one, but it's not up2date
20:25.43sheepyin your opinions?
20:26.05goxboxliveUniversal is one of the most complete of the HTC devices
20:26.13RobHugoxboxlive: Could I have a look at it please?
20:26.43goxboxliveRobHu: The bug list/status list is at the hh.org wiki page
20:26.54goxboxlivehttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalBugs
20:27.01goxboxlivehttp://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus
20:28.48RobHugoxboxlive: Thanks
20:29.02RobHuDo you think in the future the issues with resume and cpu freq will be resolved?
20:30.00goxboxliveYes
20:30.03goxboxliveIt will.
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20:40.16sheepyi love it when i lock up wm5
20:40.19sheepyhaha
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20:47.15Kevin2Hi
20:47.46sheepyhi
20:48.03Kevin2sheepy: You can reboot back into wm5 by pressing the reset button on the lower left of the phone.
20:48.59sheepyoh
20:49.18sheepywhich button is it?
20:50.21sheepyoh, the "paperclip button"?
20:50.51sheepyah ha, thx
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20:50.53sheepy:)
20:54.19Kevin2Yep - It is fitted for the stylus - I'm surprised you didn't know about it.  They document it for regular wm5 operation.  :-)
20:55.06sheepyhaha, instruction manuals are for wimps ;)
20:55.56sheepyfunny, i was sitting here thinking..  "damn, i dont have a paper clip"
20:56.07sheepy"maybe the stylus will work"
20:56.08sheepyhaha
20:57.41sheepyhave you guys been using synce with haret?
20:59.03sheepysynce allows the usb to be seen as a usb network device to linux in wm5?
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21:30.20sheepyyay! i connected to haret!
21:30.22sheepyhaha
21:32.58sheepyhave a good day everyone
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