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| 13:45.29 | cr2 | hi gxl|work |
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| 15:56.20 | rob_w | hmm i get CMS error 38 when i try to send sms .. any ideas ?? |
| 15:56.36 | rob_w | 38 is "Network out of order " but from my other phone it works great |
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| 18:27.08 | renatostore | hi all |
| 18:27.44 | renatostore | i'd like start using linux on my alpine |
| 18:28.13 | renatostore | but i miss phone and battery (suspend) |
| 18:28.32 | renatostore | anyone can help? |
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| 18:40.30 | DD | hi... i am tracking porting to htc blueangel for quite a while but i have no idea (http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel) is it allready usefull to normal user or not, can someone enlighten me? |
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| 19:09.58 | pH5 | renatostore: about the phone driver, I'll wait for the openmoko code to be released before continuing with that. for now you could just copy the magician driver and replace gsm_init with the method I told you. |
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| 19:11.17 | pH5 | for battery we need to identify the (e)gpios used to control the ds1wm chip. |
| 19:11.31 | renatostore | ph5: let's work on phone |
| 19:11.35 | renatostore | now |
| 19:12.23 | renatostore | which is the name of the module source to rename? |
| 19:12.24 | pH5 | magician_phone.c in arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician |
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| 19:13.28 | pH5 | move it to htcalpine/alpine_phone.c or something like that and add it to Makefile/Kconfig |
| 19:14.34 | renatostore | how? |
| 19:15.01 | renatostore | typing makefile? |
| 19:15.46 | renatostore | i think that the best thing is to include it in cvs |
| 19:16.01 | renatostore | but i don't know how |
| 19:18.12 | pH5 | you can send patches to kernel-discuss@handhelds.org |
| 19:20.08 | renatostore | ok so, if i understand, i can work to have a local module working and after i have to send patch to kernel-discuss@handheld.org |
| 19:21.06 | pH5 | renatostore: correct. I don't think it is a good idea to put too much non-working code into cvs |
| 19:21.41 | renatostore | why non-working ... I can test before |
| 19:22.09 | pH5 | exactly, that is the way we should do it. |
| 19:22.28 | renatostore | ok i agree ... what about makefile |
| 19:23.03 | renatostore | i rename the source |
| 19:23.29 | renatostore | but how to include in makefile? |
| 19:23.44 | pH5 | look at magician/Makefile and magician/Kconfig to compare |
| 19:23.52 | pH5 | obj-$(CONFIG_MAGICIAN_PHONE) += magician_phone.o |
| 19:24.12 | pH5 | is in the Makefile |
| 19:24.16 | pH5 | so you could add |
| 19:24.17 | pH5 | obj-$(CONFIG_ALPINE_PHONE) += alpine_phone.o |
| 19:24.45 | pH5 | in the same way you copy the MAGICIAN_PHONE section from the magician/Kconfig |
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| 19:30.17 | renatostore | i did |
| 19:31.02 | renatostore | what to modify in source |
| 19:33.50 | pH5 | remove the contents of magician_gsm_reset and magician_gsm_off and comment out the GPCR(11) stuff in magician_phone_configure |
| 19:34.20 | pH5 | in magician_phone_init remove the machine_is_magician test (because yours is not :)) or replace it with a machine_is_htcalpine |
| 19:34.39 | pH5 | and then put what I told you last time in the gsm_reset function |
| 19:35.18 | renatostore | "remove the contents" means all function or only body |
| 19:36.47 | renatostore | pls give me again the address |
| 19:36.57 | renatostore | of modifications |
| 19:38.01 | pH5 | just the body. gsm_off will be empty for now (no, leave the printk in there). |
| 19:38.41 | pH5 | oh, we had those CPLD and ASIC5 accesses. looks like we'll need a little more code |
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| 19:43.48 | pH5 | renatostore: http://en.pastebin.ca/334645 |
| 19:43.59 | pH5 | let's see, perhaps we can live without the asic5 initialization for now |
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| 19:50.32 | renatostore | i'm not sure what i'm doing ... pls can you post the whole alpine_phone.c ? |
| 19:57.47 | pH5 | renatostore: sorry, I don't have it. If you can't get it to work, I'll make one later. |
| 20:06.01 | renatostore | do you have the magician_phone ? |
| 20:06.17 | renatostore | .c |
| 20:07.26 | renatostore | what do you miss? |
| 20:10.19 | pH5 | it doesn't wake up reliably from sleep on incoming calls, wakeup from bluetooth doesn't work, I miss recording sound and battery/led handling while the device is suspended. |
| 20:10.27 | pH5 | and of course a whole load of cleanups |
| 20:10.48 | pH5 | and sdio :) |
| 20:11.49 | pH5 | also I didn't GPRS to work, but I hope I can learn something from the neo1973 driver once it gets out. |
| 20:12.03 | pH5 | s/didn't GPRS/didn't get GPRS/ |
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| 20:39.42 | renatostore | ph5: i copied all content of en.pastebin.ca/334645 into magician_gsm_reset. Is it correst? |
| 20:49.35 | pH5 | ah no. just the contents of alpine_gsm_reset. the others are helper functions, put them above the _gsm_reset function (they should be in their own drivers, actually. one for the cpld and one for asic5) |
| 20:54.41 | renatostore | i also see include /arch/magician.h |
| 20:55.02 | renatostore | should i change it? |
| 20:55.17 | pH5 | drop that, and magician_cpld.h as well. |
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| 20:56.59 | renatostore | can i search & change "magician" with "alpine" ? |
| 21:01.15 | pH5 | sure :) |
| 21:04.39 | renatostore | for example: |
| 21:04.41 | renatostore | extern struct platform_device magician_cpld; |
| 21:04.44 | renatostore | became |
| 21:04.51 | renatostore | extern struct platform_device alpine |
| 21:04.59 | renatostore | _cpld |
| 21:05.00 | renatostore | ; |
| 21:07.33 | pH5 | actually the magician_cpld is magician specific, remove it |
| 21:07.47 | pH5 | (the magician_egpio_.. calls that need it are gone) |
| 21:10.13 | renatostore | i think that it is better if you can rewrite the source and i will compile and test it |
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| 21:12.04 | pH5 | maybe you're right |
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| 21:57.43 | goxboxlive | cr2: Are you awake? |
| 21:58.14 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO: Any Qtopia news? |
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| 21:58.25 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 21:59.05 | BabelO | no, lot of works these days, start of the year :) |
| 21:59.48 | BabelO | i m looking at sound for BA but can't compile 2.6.19 with sound :( |
| 22:00.26 | goxboxlive | right, i havent done anything my self. I just wouldnt configure anymore with TSLIB enabled. It's strange, because iu havent touched the content in the include and libs directories |
| 22:00.36 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 22:00.36 | lama | BabelO: Blue Angel? |
| 22:00.44 | BabelO | lama: yes |
| 22:00.52 | lama | oh, cool |
| 22:00.57 | pH5 | BabelO: what is the issue? |
| 22:00.59 | goxboxlive | SO you BA hasent had any sound since .12 right? |
| 22:01.11 | lama | I'm thinking about buying phone with qwerty |
| 22:01.44 | lama | BA looks quite good on paper |
| 22:01.47 | BabelO | goxboxlive: yes, lkc have done lot of research work, so we have all data to do driver and magician as base |
| 22:01.53 | lama | gprs only is main drawback |
| 22:02.09 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 22:02.35 | goxboxlive | right, it's getting late. night all |
| 22:02.46 | BabelO | lama: it is an old phone now :( |
| 22:02.53 | pH5 | 'night goxboxlive |
| 22:03.02 | BabelO | hi pH5 |
| 22:03.06 | lama | BabelO: yes, but has 128mb of RAM ;] |
| 22:03.23 | lama | how good is keyboard compared to Wizard |
| 22:03.33 | BabelO | lama: yes, under linux we have 96 Mo of free ram :) |
| 22:03.51 | lama | only 96? |
| 22:04.08 | lama | what takes so much RAM ? |
| 22:04.53 | BabelO | lama: i have a lot of filesystem cache |
| 22:05.55 | pH5 | hi BabelO. cr2 mentioned the GSM chip of the openmoko/neo1973 phone will be the same as in blueangel/alpine/magician. |
| 22:06.01 | pH5 | does GPRS work on the ba? |
| 22:06.36 | lama | BabelO: how fast is firefox on it? |
| 22:06.44 | BabelO | pH5: yes, i read the log :) no GPRS working with dpram driver ... but it work before with 2.6.12 kernel |
| 22:07.57 | BabelO | lama: i only test mozilla on BA under wince and it is too slow, and opera speed is good, |
| 22:08.25 | lama | BabelO: mini or mobile opera? |
| 22:08.52 | BabelO | mini is for MIDP right ? so i think i test mobile for Qtek |
| 22:09.00 | lama | BabelO: I know that minimo is slow, but I was hoping that 128mb of ram and 400Mhz CPU could be better |
| 22:09.27 | lama | BabelO: right mini is j2me midp 1 and 2 |
| 22:09.35 | lama | but mini might be better for gprs |
| 22:09.50 | lama | it uses proxy with compression and "prerendering" |
| 22:10.27 | BabelO | lama: ok :) i use opera with Wifi to connect to ogame.fr :) my favorite online game :) |
| 22:10.35 | lama | haha |
| 22:11.05 | lama | BabelO: how far is Linux port from usable status? |
| 22:11.15 | BabelO | Opera is the only one i found that can run easily javascript... |
| 22:11.39 | lama | I've seen booting on youtube, quite long... |
| 22:12.46 | BabelO | linux port on 2.6.12 kernel is ok, but without wifi and camera... and there is suspend problem |
| 22:13.19 | lama | what with "phone module", is it possible to use voice calling ? |
| 22:13.46 | BabelO | i m working with asymuled on 2.6.19 port and lkcl help us with sound support |
| 22:14.07 | BabelO | lama : with 2.6.12 it works |
| 22:14.25 | BabelO | you have a gpe image with gommunicator app that is phone app |
| 22:15.47 | lama | BabelO: cool |
| 22:16.00 | lama | what is "suspend issue" |
| 22:16.23 | lama | or how long it can survive with running linux? ;] |
| 22:17.46 | BabelO | lama: i did n't test it enought with 2.6.12, but in suspend mode, LCD power is always on |
| 22:18.22 | lama | BabelO: are you using it as a phone or just as a "linux toy" ? |
| 22:19.52 | BabelO | lama i use ba as a windows phone for moment, and linux on futur if i can have a working opie phone application and sound driver |
| 22:20.17 | lama | WIZARD, HERMES, ETEN M700 thats are phone I've been looking at first, but since I know that BA boots linux I'm not so sure now |
| 22:20.33 | lama | BabelO: yeah, opie is better than gpe, faster... |
| 22:20.49 | lama | BabelO: what are main drawbacks for you with this phone? |
| 22:22.01 | lama | I wonder how good is this keyboard, and how big this phone is reality, I've seen dimension values, and various pictures, but it doesn't tell how big it is "in real usage" |
| 22:22.27 | BabelO | lama : for me it is battery life |
| 22:23.01 | cr2 | lama: i'm not excited by ba keyboard |
| 22:23.21 | BabelO | do you know sony clie palm ? size is the same |
| 22:23.31 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 22:23.33 | cr2 | it's more difficult to use even than the old sl5500 zaurus. |
| 22:23.36 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 22:23.46 | BabelO | yes i never use BA keyboard |
| 22:23.50 | cr2 | but i'm spoiled by the universal :) |
| 22:24.13 | cr2 | and by hermes, but universal is better. |
| 22:24.19 | pH5 | hey cr2. how does the universal keyboard compare to the hermes'? (apart from the obvious size issue).. |
| 22:24.25 | pH5 | .. was what I just wanted to ask :) |
| 22:25.12 | cr2 | pH5: it's the best what you can do in a magician formfactor. |
| 22:25.17 | cr2 | i think it's ok. |
| 22:25.41 | cr2 | pH5: harald posted the moko AT command list. |
| 22:25.51 | cr2 | lama: jornada820 is still better :) |
| 22:26.03 | cr2 | but it's a notebook. |
| 22:26.22 | lama | btw, how can you use screen, vi etc programs with ssh on keyboards without ctrl, esc, etc. ? |
| 22:26.41 | lama | I know it's possible to remap keys, or use sip, but isn't it painful in use? |
| 22:26.49 | cr2 | pH5: i can see some weird commands. do you have a full list from the decoded radio ? |
| 22:26.58 | lama | cr2: I can fit jornada into jacket pocket |
| 22:27.53 | cr2 | lama: and the half-vga screen ? i like the pcmcia slot though. |
| 22:28.22 | lama | yes, 640x240, pcmcia, CF, wince, linux, netbsd ;] |
| 22:28.48 | cr2 | i have found a 16bit pcmcia wifi card from t-mob. can't make it to work with linux :( |
| 22:28.50 | pH5 | cr2: yes. is it on the moko-dev list? |
| 22:28.59 | cr2 | pH5: yes. |
| 22:29.10 | cr2 | look in the archives, if it#s there. |
| 22:29.22 | cr2 | :D |
| 22:29.42 | lama | cr2: well you shouldn't look for anything else than hermes or prism2.5 chipset based |
| 22:30.34 | cr2 | lama: i think the m$ driver uploads some firmware in motorola hex. |
| 22:30.49 | cr2 | looks like some prism stuff. |
| 22:31.50 | cr2 | but the prism driver alone does not detect anything, even if i add the pcmcia ids in the source. |
| 22:32.09 | pH5 | cr2: the list is archived only since jan2007.. |
| 22:32.24 | cr2 | pH5: it was yesterday. |
| 22:32.57 | cr2 | AT commands (Re: But wich GSM chip? Re: AT commands document (Was: Fax modem? Fax software? Neo as T.38 gateway?)) |
| 22:33.28 | cr2 | i can send it to you. if i'll find your e-mail. |
| 22:33.39 | cr2 | or i can pastebin it. |
| 22:33.42 | pH5 | ah, I found it. on the community list |
| 22:35.47 | cr2 | ok. |
| 22:36.08 | pH5 | cr2: you were talking about some of the AT% commands? |
| 22:36.31 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:36.54 | lama | BabelO: do you think universal is better phone? |
| 22:37.07 | lama | both are on the big side for me |
| 22:37.24 | pH5 | cr2: I'm sure I don't have things like %EFRSLT in my radio rom.. |
| 22:37.30 | lama | but linux is a plus |
| 22:38.03 | pH5 | there seem to be a lot of AT+ commands duplicated with AT% counterparts |
| 22:38.18 | lama | for me universal is too similar in shape to jornada, I would like something like Wizard with linux, and VGA screen ;] |
| 22:38.38 | lama | Sharp w3 zero has VGA and Xscale |
| 22:39.26 | BabelO | lama: universal is better, but buy a nice bluetooth headset before :) |
| 22:39.41 | cr2 | pH5: *FR* sound like FilterResponse to me. |
| 22:40.33 | lama | BabelO: haha |
| 22:40.46 | lama | I won't buy it, it's too big, even BA looks big for me |
| 22:40.48 | cr2 | lama: sharp VGA LCD is bigger than universal's -> worse dpi. and it has no umts and 2 cams of course |
| 22:41.16 | lama | cr2: yeah, but universal is huge ;] |
| 22:41.20 | cr2 | true. |
| 22:41.41 | cr2 | heh. and sharp does not have wifi. |
| 22:41.50 | lama | the only hot point is linux in my opinion ;] |
| 22:42.05 | lama | cr2: and afaik sharp is available in asia only |
| 22:42.32 | cr2 | in bizarre form from lineo. good that it was rewritten. |
| 22:44.06 | cr2 | "commercial linux" code from lineo/motorola looks like windows code ;) |
| 22:44.42 | BabelO | cr2: i m agree with you lineo code is really strange |
| 22:44.52 | lama | huh, do you mean that sharp runs linux? |
| 22:45.18 | lama | I was talking about linux beeing hot point of universal ;] |
| 22:48.03 | cr2 | imho, hima/ba/universal have very good hw design. |
| 22:48.13 | cr2 | good for linux :) |
| 22:48.29 | cr2 | i don't know anything comparable. |
| 22:48.53 | cr2 | look at sharp to know what i mean. |
| 22:49.00 | BabelO | cr2: how far is samsung linux port ? |
| 22:49.51 | cr2 | BabelO: i need to add the early fb debug patches to move forward, but have not find time ;) |
| 22:50.42 | BabelO | cr2: ok, i m thinking about buying htc tyn |
| 22:51.25 | lama | BabelO: tyn doesn't have jack! usb phones sux |
| 22:51.59 | lama | eten m700 looks better, almost perfect but it doesn't have umts... |
| 22:52.27 | cr2 | lama: and gps |
| 22:52.30 | BabelO | lama: i know, but it have maybe a gps builtin or looking at eten glowfish |
| 22:52.35 | cr2 | BabelO: tytn is hermes |
| 22:52.43 | lama | and do not have j2me midp enviroment in ROM |
| 22:52.57 | cr2 | lama: java ... |
| 22:53.28 | BabelO | cr2: yes without keyboard :) |
| 22:53.32 | lama | and I've seen TCPMP benchmarks and it was really slow compared to HERMES/TynTyn... strange, I bet it's first ROM issue |
| 22:53.49 | cr2 | lama: it's the ati 2d accel issue. |
| 22:54.06 | cr2 | do you know the eten m700 internals ? |
| 22:54.24 | lama | no |
| 22:54.30 | cr2 | that's why i like hima/ba vs. universal. |
| 22:54.51 | lama | TynTyn is samsnung CPU too |
| 22:55.00 | cr2 | because hima/ba has ati 2d accel chip. pxa27x framebuffer sucks. |
| 22:55.38 | cr2 | lama: the video on tytn does not use s3c2442 lcd. |
| 23:00.28 | pH5 | just a little bit too thick and too expensive, unfortunately |
| 23:00.32 | pH5 | good night |
| 23:00.34 | lama | wizard and eten m700 have similar |
| 23:06.59 | cr2 | lama: can you describe eten m700 hardware ? |
| 23:07.26 | cr2 | we know herme very well. |
| 23:12.01 | lama | internals? |
| 23:12.08 | lama | or just specs? ;] |
| 23:13.28 | lama | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Z8Z1jR7hI here is youtube pr0n with eten m700 ;] |
| 23:14.11 | lama | eten is said to release first 3g phone this year;] |
| 23:15.12 | lama | might be perfect, but I'm sure they will fsck up something from eten m700 like HTC done it with "upgrade from Wizard to Hermes ;] |
| 23:17.46 | BabelO | cr2: Samsung S3C 2440 + Wifi b/g +bluetooth 2.0 +FM radio + GPS sirf III and battery capacity same as BA :( |
| 23:20.07 | lama | http://smartmania.mobilmania.cz/index.php?ind=reviews&op=entry_view&iden=160 |
| 23:20.33 | lama | czech review ;] |
| 23:20.56 | lama | but pictures and TCPMP benchmarks are in english hahaha |
| 23:22.40 | cr2 | the keyboard looks like hermes. |
| 23:22.45 | BabelO | cr2: EDR for bluetooth in the eten M700 |
| 23:23.29 | Hymie | baha.. lama, I saw this pic: http://smartmania.mobilmania.cz/images/recenze/EtenM700/29.jpg .. and thought some really wild PDA was underfoot |
| 23:23.50 | cr2 | (-) price ? |
| 23:24.04 | lama | about 600$ in USA |
| 23:24.06 | BabelO | cr2: 699 EUROS :( |
| 23:24.37 | Hymie | E-Ten M700 se v \u010ceské republice za\u010dne prodávat v lednu 2007 za cenu 18499,- K\u010d. Pokud se m\u011b chcete na cokoliv ohledn\u011b tohoto za\u0159ízení zeptat, máte mo\u017enost v na\u0161em diskuzním fóru nebo v komentá\u0159ích pod recenzí. Spoustu dal\u0161ích fotografií naleznete v Galerii |
| 23:24.38 | lama | Hymie: that is real PDA pr0n! ;] |
| 23:24.43 | Hymie | lama: heh |
| 23:25.38 | lama | only wizard and BA are in my price range now |
| 23:26.49 | lama | I can find more cash for universal, hermes or eten, but I don't think this devices are worth so much, all lacks soemthing important from my point of view |
| 23:27.00 | cr2 | the +universal photo is lame. |
| 23:27.08 | cr2 | it does not show anything. |
| 23:28.25 | BabelO | good night all |
| 23:50.04 | *** join/#htc-linux WizMaui (n=WizMaui@62.112.90.231) |
